/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>175060697
scumming infinite draconians in zot for loot and exp because it's way safer than abyss, pan, h*ck, vaults:5, probably tomb, and maybe slime
vinnie did this because bucklers were so strong he forgot to level shields

>>175061497
scumming zot1?

What crawl needs is some super bad guys that you ALWAYS run away from, desu

>>175061565
They are working on a doomclock and bezotting

>>175061630
There is a doomclock, it's just at something dumb like 200 million turns

what is a doomclock

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b0a1de42263baaaba822147805a6f130237a978b
>Fix Exhaustion not expiring (#11038)
Have fun Ru bro

>>175061815
probably how long it takes you to beat d**mrl

>>175061915
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blobdiff;f=crawl-ref/source/duration-data.h;h=2be46b715e13a83a2979ef1c8bd659a2e6f386d9;hp=a42b77f6b9f46eb6073caeece898c6fc6cd669d3;hb=b0a1de42263baaaba822147805a6f130237a978b;hpb=0491fdee9de38303c5546982a417f51e58159cf3
Can someone explain how just adding the less exhausted text fixes it never expiring

>>175061815
http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.9/apocalypserobin/morgue-apocalypserobin-20111025-160851.txt

>>175062356
>36hours of pressing 5

>>175061809
Who's that by?

>>175062480
we fucking macroed it, each time we pressed five it was like we pressed five a hundred times

Notes
Turn | Place | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
0 | D:1 | apocalypserobin, the Vampire Monk, began the quest for the Orb.
0 | D:1 | Reached XP level 1. HP: 16/16 MP: 1/1
344 | D:1 | Reached XP level 2. HP: 22/22 MP: 2/2
793 | D:3 | Reached skill level 5 in Unarmed Combat
881 | D:4 | Reached skill level 1 in Stabbing
881 | D:4 | Reached XP level 3. HP: 28/28 MP: 3/3
1013 | D:4 | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
1047 | Temple | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
1000006 | Temple | only 199 million to go
40688731 | Temple | Slade: oO
40688731 | Temple | MarvinPA: hurrah for the end of the world
40728081 | Temple | sorry i have to stop this thing
40728081 | Temple | someone else pick up
40728081 | Temple | RoundRobin: hi
40728090 | Temple | Became a worshipper of Cheibriados the Contemplative
41241160 | Temple | Fell from the grace of Cheibriados
41241160 | Temple | Was placed under penance by Cheibriados
41259439 | Temple | Was forgiven by Cheibriados
123456789 | Temple | my work here is done
128456789 | Temple | Lawman0: ?
128456789 | Temple | Lawman0: wut
136683810 | Temple | apocalypserobin: Is this the best idea or what?
136683810 | Temple | best idea
155000000 | Temple | apocalypserobin: 150 million woo
158458672 | Temple | apocalypserobin: wooo waitrobin
199990539 | Temple | MarvinPA: happy end of the world
199999999 | Temple | Quit the game

What a log

>>175062604
So monsters should spawn in temple after 100,000 turns
problem solved

>>175062056
He added more text, added the 'You feel less exhausted' since it probably checks after xy turns something

>>175062671
Why?

>>175063281
to solve the problem?

>>175063371
Of what?

>>175063395
the problem

>>175063436
But whats the problem?

Romance mod in DDA when? Can't wait to have an NPC fuck my anime waifu

>>175063640
we must solve it
200 hundred millions

>>175061497
>h*ck
Moderate your language, anon!

>Want to make VpGl of Kiku and lead my own army of undead
>Armour shop with randart helmet, gloves (the +2 pair of gloves "Emin" (worn) {rElec rF+ rCorr Str+2}), branded ring mail and scarf.
>The only spell to raise undead is Death Channel
WHY

How do I make NPC join me in CDDA? After failing the first time the odds keep decreasing

>>175065169
But Dchannel is the best

>>175065583
Can't remember how nice it is, but I have a full storehouse of corpses and no way to use them. Also I need help earlier then I can get it.

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Playing TrMo, Okawaru gifts this armor on D:8.
thanks senpai

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Wow, Warlock's Mirror is some crazy shit.

>he doesn't play with safe mode off

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>miscast blade hands
>he gets two petrifies off, one of them succeeds
Fucking great

>hurr look @ how cool I am, I don't use tiles

>>175067487
I'm not even an @ I'm a d

I give yeir mom the d

>>175068179
>timmy desu

>>175068265
>tummy

>>175068345
GET OUT

Which Roguelike is the most complex when it comes to random unpredictable simulations in combat or w/e? Like what game gives you the most fun and bizarre events.

Read through the pastebin, but I'm not really looking for the best "game", just looking for a game that can make me laugh at the weird shit that happens through series of randomized events.
Have only played Ivan so far and that had many fun moments, until It started getting sort of predictable.

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What skills should I train first?
Armour? Fighting? Dodge? Max UC first?

>>175069386
CDDA

>>175069386
play DCSS as Chaos Knight with chaos brand weapons only.

But from your description I'm thinking you'll have more fun with a rogue-lite/indie. Dungeon of the endless, Binding of Isaac, FTL, Neo Scavenger, Death Road to Canada, etc.

>>175069386
Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode

>>175069421
thats enough unarmed for 3runes
but get that dodge and fighting higher

>>175069710
Yeah forgot to mention, Ive played tons of DF and loads of fun. Basically looking for something like Dwarf fortress Adventure mode, just maybe with even more focus on gameplay / combat.

>>175069424
>>175069639
>CDDA
>play DCSS as Chaos Knight with chaos brand weapons only
Will check em, thanks.

>But from your description I'm thinking you'll have more fun with a rogue-lite/indie
Tried a bunch of those, but I had way more fun with Ivan or DF.
Really just want something with text based combat where anything can happen, or with as many options as possible. Ivan was especially fun with the gods, mutations etc.

>>175070065
hibernate until the next Dwarf Fortress release

>>175069297
>g-get o-out of my t-tummy, baka!

>>175070065
>played tons of DF and loads of fun
*Had

>>175070103
Is DF really the best game for this kind of stuff? I mean it is amazing, but I always thought DF's combat was just an afterthought, and not as fleshed out as it would be in other RLs.

I just found this:

http://www.lostlabyrinth.com/index.php?p=download

It's basically a patchwork beast of about 5 other games, but it's ok for a coffeebreak roguelike.

>>175070263
Most other roguelikes it's just roll accuracy then roll damage
sometimes you get a modifier on it
some roguelikes have better accuracy/damage formulas than others

>>175069804
okay, thanks.
Train both at the same time? or should I alternate between them?

Daily reminder that Cataclysm DDA updates daily :^)

>>175070065
Cataclysm DDA.

>>175070263
Cataclysm lets you BE almost anything, although everything you can be boils down to doing the same few things to the same enemies.

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this game is already over

>>175070357
I see, that is kind of surprising. I always thought the randomness and fun situations was sort of a trademark for RP tabletops and Roguelikes.
>>175070478
>>175070641
I'll start by trying Cata then, thank you my dudes.

>>175071367
I mean, Dungeon Crawl has a bunch of different weapon types and you can mix that up even further with transmutation forms (which generally only work with unarmed combat except for statue form) and they all have different stats but at the end of the day you're making a single attack that takes an amount of time determined by your skill, rolling accuracy, then rolling damage and applyng brands if you hit
PCB has an even larger variety of weapons and brands but in the end of the day it's just damage multipliers

How do I turn in the "Find Lost Dog" mission in CDDA? I have the dog around me and can blow the dog whistle, but doing that and talking to the NPC that gave me the mission both do nothing

>>175071575
What about something similar to Ivan? Being able to kick an object on the floor and have it hit an enemy, pray to the gods for some random boon, or something that has more options just than "attack", "defend".
I dont really mind that there's little randomness if you have loads of options or room for creativity in how you play.

>>175069421
Train dodge and armor to 15 then switch tofighting

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>got to d:6
>found these weapons already
I just wanted to punch people..

>>175063640
fun

roguelikes aren't meant to be fun

>>175072134
What is this "defend" thing you speak of
There is only attack and positioning

>>175072608
I am new to roguelikes, only really played DF and Ivan.

>>175069386
Real life.

Elona.

DCSS before fun was removed.

>>175072710
You should try DC:SS, play version 0.11 and pick Sludge Elf Transmuter, distill all the potions and then evaporate them at your enemies
punch everything else to death with your spider hands

>>175070345
got to level 7
gay as heck game

>>175070263
Dwarf Fortress really is the best simulation videogame out there. Sorry.

>>175072134
Oh. You could try Powder.

I sometimes forget about Powder.

>cast hydra form
>HUNGER COST sends me into starving
>eat the blink frog
>takes me to Very Hungry
hmmm yes good

emprahofthedunes where you @

>>175072534
I would laugh, but this is what's sad is that the Crawl devs actually believe this.

>>175075602
They're right, fun is just a buzzword for when you don't know why you like something. Roguelikes should be as predictable as possible to promote competition

>>175075731
>should be as predictable as possible to promote competition
>Crawl still uses Linley's absolutely fucking retarded 1ddam+1dslaying combat

>>175075810
most spells use up to 12d

>>175075810
>not liking the damage 1 LCS

>>175075810
There is nothing more predictable than white noise.

Would it be possible to make a roguelike with no RNG?

>>175076829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CujxjeWnN1w

jesus christ I had completely forgotten about goliath beetles.

>>175076046
LCS can never do 1 damage before AC
It can be reduced to 0 damage

>>175077359
>LCS can never do 1 damage before AC
suppose the character has 0 AC

>>175077445
LCS uses 3 dice minimum, so its minimum dmg is 3

Is a +12 battleaxe with vampiric and a few other perks going to be useful in the endgame, or does vampiric drop off somewhere?

>>175078539
That will never stop being amazing but it's fucking useless against anything that's not alive
don't bring it into Crypt/Tomb/Hell/Pan/Abyss, get holy wrath or just a bigger axe for those areas

>buy 3 un-id'd scrolls of acquirement on D:3
>they give me a hat of int, a +2 hat of +3 str and a pair of +0 corrode gloves of RN

>>175069386
Dwarf Fort adventure mode, easily.

>>175079648
gloves are good

how do I show list for monsters or objects in poschengband? it's a contextual command right

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This looks so calming and fun

>>175078539
Battleaxe of gods, its real good

If you've never made your own roguelike you are not allowed to complain about other rogulikes

>>175079648
Why would you waste the scrolls taht early, wtf is wrong with you anon

>>175081382
Yeah better keep them and then die

>>175079648
>he fell for the AAA meme

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the fuck is this

>>175082875
Its just invis but you never get to use it because you need preservation

>>175083137
It's 0.15, fire no longer burns scrolls. It's a MuMo anyway, so I can't use invis.

>>175080261
] is monsters
[ is objects
you can also have this lists in always-visible subwindows if you want. it's p. important to do this for the monster list at least.

They changed monks back to getting a weapon choice.

Yeah two days ago

>>175069386
Incursion might be worth a try. D&D adapted into a roguelike. Incomplete, but fun.

>>175081382
Acquirement is based on XL or Depth?

>>175089319
Based on things you did and didnt see

>>175089319
neither. it doesn't scale.

the only pseudo-scaling it has is a predisposition to not give you egos you've already ID'd

>Play Ds, go UC
>Get claws
>AND an early book of changes
Its happening.

>>175090389
You will fault on Lair:4 remember this post when you do

>>175090389
>transmutations when you already have claws

>>175090720
i didn't mean to post this image, sorry.

>>175090720
Claws actually stack with Statue form and Lich form.

>>175090720
Man, minecraft really got weird after microsoft took over.

>>175091248
no they don't. these forms have their own base uc damage, and don't exist in book of changes to begin with.

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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

>>175091370
You know nothing.
>>175091498
Don't show MPA this.

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>>175091604
you dare respond? foolishness

>>175091370
>>175091604
ikr

Lich claws as a Demonspawn are fucking amazing. Statue claws with Chei just assgutters things like you're a dragon.

>>175090720
yes however
>transmutations when you have already invested into UC
is good on races that don't have troll-tier tm apts

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>>175091893
What.

>>175092008
trolls are one of the greatest dragonform races though because innate hp and regen stacks with dragon and their lack of slots doesn't matter anymore. the only better dragon race is ds then troll, draconian, octopode, then the rest

>>175092006
Monstrous demonspawn right?

>>175092338
if you have way more xp than you know what to do with because you're experiencing the pure unadulterated bloat of a 15rune run

in a real game the xp cost is probably too prohibitive to bother with

>>175092296
that was from a visual novel i played many years ago. it depicts zuchu, but i refrained from failing to not show it

>>175092436
ashenzari permits it

>>175092445
what even

>>175092570
i said that the cropped section from the picture that constituted the attached file in my previous post is part of a greater whole which depicts zuchu but wisely i haven't failed to elect to refrain from not preventing it from not being hidden

You know, a MuMo of the wutang council would be really interesting. Albeit against the "rules" of MuMo.

>>175093252
the rules are everything lad. the rules are what keep us SAFE. they're what keeps this whole system going. the RULES are the difference between US and THEM, don't you ever fucking forget it!

>>175093389
trumby pls go

>he says, while wearing a buckler

don't get carried away lad. i, too, have achieved the level of quoteless quoting, but i deliberately hide my level so that normals could keep up with me

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>>>normals

>journeyman minotaur berserker on lair 1
Everytime. EVERYTIME.

normals is the superior form of normalfag for when one needs to post outside /a/ but hide his anime origins, not to be confused with the vastly inferior normie

>>175092429
monstrous Ds are basically double minotaurs and they suck because horns and hooves exchange an equipment slot for a slaying bonus.

you dare quote? impressive, i haven't seen such usage of meme arrows since "him"

Please contain your autism in my presence please and thank you

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Wutang lets you do some really fun stuff. All that training in the 36 chambers of phasing paid off.

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Tough decisions.
I have access to =Fire =Ice, and |Death as well. Ko^Ash so pretty much even apts and low investment in a bunch of schools so I can pick whatever.

Any suggestions or recommendations?

>>175096529
Necromancy, going for haunt. You get to use some lower level summons in the mean time, along with regen and the like.

>>175091498
>tfw no pet rocks

>>175067329
>ZChris13
why does this name look so familiar

>>175098534
I've been around

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IM GONNA FUCKING MURDALATE SOMEONE
FUKCKAFPOKWENGJOEW OI324OINT2 NOIWINO FE4WINOINO GWEION 3T2IO4NWINO34 INO GEWIO

You have to be 18 to browse this site.

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>>175100205

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>he doesn't have two (2) Ruperts.

>>175100803
>Equip bar
literally why. People know what they're fucking wearing, they want to know how gold they have.

>>175101120
THIS

>>175101120
Equippy chars are awesome, fuck you.

>>175100803
more like twopert

>>175101120
the equip bar doesn't replace gold though, it replaces the noise meter

>>175103151
YEAH BUT THE NOISE BAR REPLACED THE GOLD BAR

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Any tips for playing Merfolk Berserker?
Should I go heavy or light armor? Shields?

>>175103254
yeah but the gold bar was worthless for no gozagites

What's the best way to find rMut items or are they gone as "bloat"? I can't find potions of cure mutation either and nearly at the level cap.

Also, what level should I stop training murder skills and focus more on utility? At 20 evocations for the latter, low to mid 20s in all the business ones like heavy blades and axes and fighting, and armor because armor.

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>decide to play a little Crawl
>feel nothing
>feel nothing
>feel nothing
>suicide tab into a stone giant/vampire
>stare at death screen
>feel nothing

So my question is, what's the recommended first trait for rogues in Infra Arcana?

Spell Kikubaaqudgha NIA

>>175103630
MfBe is easy, just any melee Merfolk will be easy.

Shields are unnecessary -- at a +4 aptitude, you'll be able to use the best two handed polearms very early (I got 27 Polearms skill by my first rune, for instance), so there's no point investing in shields.

Light armour will probably be all you're able to use, and that's relatively good, since it'll allow your Dodging aptitude to shine, too.

But really, it's easy. Invest in Polearms until mindelay or so; invest in Dodging and Fighting; invest in a teensy bit of Armour; and rinse and repeat.

The pharaoh has no clothes!

Does aggravate have a chance to proc or is it a constant effect? My stealth is crap, but I'm not quite waking up everything I see, and losing that miight be a problem.

>>175104007
Was it rape?

>>175104025
thanks, I mostly play heavy armor melee so wasn't sure.

>>175104224
in PCB? aggravation wakes up everything in range every turn
only way to avoid this is to be a shadow-fairy, a level 40 scout, or a psion with the max-level stealth buff

>>175104007
Depends on your style and philosophy, honestly - I like starting Treasure Hunter and I've won two rogues, but dexterous/stealthy are both totally legit, too.
Maybe he has changed the skill tree significantly the last few months, my last win was in november or something.

>>175104623
>"melee" [sic]
>in cravvl
there's onlv hvbrids in cravvl, no svch thing as pvre "melee" or pvre "caster"

>>175070065
There's a game, Unreal World, that's effectively "DF Adventure Mode: the game". It's made by nordic LARPers, and it's pretty fun.

you ever think we take videogames too seriously

>>175074464
>cast bloatform
shiggy

>>175074464
>using hydra form
>ever

life is a videogame

If life is a videogame where's the quit screen

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Has to be the worst P5 vault.
Haunt soon.

>>175104632
I'll just leave that artifact in my house then. Thanks.

>>175104632
>scouts get anti-aggravation in addition to their anti-summoning and passive buffs
Neat.

>>175107607
No one has posted a scout win yet, get to it

>>175107607
>anti-summoning
w-what
do scouts get an anti-summoning passive like the amulet

>>175107993
not in vanilla
floatrand buffed them in pcb-r i think

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>>175108054
ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY GET A FUCKING ANTI-SUMMONING PASSIVE ABILITY

>>175108229
in pcb-r

although i think rather than blocking the summons it teleports them elsewhere on the level or something

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>>175107952
>play PCB
I wholeheartedly refuse.
>>175107993
Kinda. Based on hazy recollections of what PCB-R dev posted a while back, they get a chance to "reroute enemy reinforcements" based on their char-level and how many adjacent squares are empty. I think at max power it's ~90% chance. Don't remember if it stacks with anti-summoning amulets or not.

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>>175108530
>claims not to like pcb
>remembers details like this
Cute!
Anon is being tsundere over his favorite videogame~

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>>175108530
>i-it's not easy mode

>>175108973
I want to like it but every time I think about playing it again I remember how long it is and I realize that no gimmick PCB offers stays fun for the whole 36+ hours

For that matter, I'm opposed to *bands in general because they're entirely combat-focused but the combat isn't fun.

>>175109497
Sil is about pacifist Edain diving
Literally no combat involved

>>175109497
>bands are combat-focused but the combat isn't fun
>crawl is combat-focused but the combat isn't fun
>elegant memegames like brogue and sil are walking away and not being able to do anything focused but the walking away and not being able to do anything isn't fun

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That's kinda hot.

>US is governed by Trump the Living Meme
>SotW dev is updating the magic system
>CotD is getting regular updates and huge content (even if the army is still ridiculously OP)
>my GPA is going up this semester
>and now Prospector got an update
This has been a good year and we're barely 1/3rd of the way through it.

>>175110263
Why is it taking you over 30 mins to clear snake:4?

Playing vanilla Angband's trunk; has some interesting changes from 4.0.5 (not that many people ITT play Angband).

One change is reworking curses/cursed items, so that they're a bit more like curses that you'd normally think of IRL (gypsy curses, pirate curses, etc. etc.). So, it's not just "shitty weapon/armour stuck on your body" but more like a combo of mutation/Hell effects from Crawl, for instance.

The curses still suck balls to have, but it's a bit more interesting than old versions of curses.

>Warg are immune to Mephitic Cloud

I fucking hate DCSS

>>175110502
I went AFK for a while a couple times.
Also I'm kind of tired of dying, so I'm just going to play slowly anyhow.

>>175110741
That seems counterproductive. Why would you put so much effort into making things that a player never wants to see?

>>175110842
Sequell | warg[1/1]: Like to mephitic cloud your (h)ound type monsters? Too bad, this sucker has rPois to keep wizards like you from confusing all of the orcish mines.

>>175111184
the devs think of everything

>>175081329

But we can complain about roguelites. Thankfully, arelgee doesn't run out of such roguelites

>>175103832
Anyone?

>>175103832
>>175112318
If you're playing in trunk, !Mut "shuffles" your mutations and generally cuts down on the #.

>mumo
>no sign of Lair yet
>unseen horror on D10
>unseen horror on D11
>orc warlord guarding only stairs to orc 2

Jesus FUCKING Christ

>>175110741
Does it have a different ID system? I don't think I've ever put on a unknown cursed item in pcb, and honestly I don't know how you could with how cheap identification is.

>>175110741
I can't think of any roguelike that does cursed items well except Nethack (where cursed items often have odd uses) and Sil (where the curse and benefit of the item are inseparable).

>>175112318
I think rMut's been gone for a while, but I'm going off what people have said about it here.

>>175112318

Here is an alternative: Don't use rMut.

How do I change what I autopickup in Caves of Qud?

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being a ring is fun

>>175113368
you definitely missed lair somehow. did you check all staircase going up and down?

>die to first enemy

I am no pharaoh.

>>175113420
I haven't played too much PCB, but I think it's the same (i.e. you know the item is cursed beforehand). A much higher percentage of items generate with curses in Angband trunk than before, so it's occasionally the only way to get good stuff without too much grinding.

?Remove-curse also works differently: not just per item, but per curse since items can have different curses applied to them.

>>175113512
It's more random than Sil, but there occasionally are synergistic moments of a cursed good weapon. Some randarts can be generated with curses, too, if the player enables them.

>>175115212
no, I'm almost sure lair is in the unexplored area of d10.

>>175061398

Is there a roguelike where I can play as a pirate?

>>175116468
I'd bet my right arm that a Nethack variant like Slash'EM has it as a role.

>deep elf priest
>deep elf summoner
>deep elf fighter
look at all this bloat

but i'll take it over deep elf archers, fuck those

>>175116365
If you lure an unseen horror into a hallway you can kill it with the bat dance

>>175116468
One way heroics has a literal pirate class.

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Done D, Lair, Orc, Snake 1-2, Shoals 1-3 kind of, Elf 1-2 mostly. I'm a bit stuck.

I'm losing 1v1s against shock serpents in Snake.
Shoals:5 is blocked by Norris.
Lightning bolt hurts like all hell so Elf:3 is probably out of question.

wat do

>>175118960
Explore depths to try and eke out some extra exp. Otherwise, you must become one with the shadow and ninja the shoals rune.

>>175117102
There is a patch that adds a pirate class to the game. I don't know what variants incorporate other than slex, which I know has it without looking because slex has everything. I want to say UnNetHack has it as well, but I'm not sure.

>>175109912
sil is not a *band

What is this "bloat" meme people keep spouting?

>>175112432
I don't follow, as in the status tag? Wizard command? I'm trying to get rid of a bunch of bad mutations caused by exposure to Cacodemons and the like

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This spell is fucking insane.

>>175120525
If you're in trunk, drink the potions of mutation. They do this, in this order:
1) remove 2-6 mutations
2) add 3 random
3) add 1 good
All the muta related potions are now mixed into this one.

>>175120525
Potions of Mutation now cure several mutations, and then give a couple random mutations and a benemut.

On average they will reduce the number of mutations you have.

>>175120762
danke muchas senpai

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If you guys had a dream fork of Crawl, what would it feature? What would you bring back? What would you remove? What would you add?

>>175121257
Everything, everything, current dev, more bloaty as fuck weapons and armor from other cultures

>>175121257
ALL spells available to the player, including demonic abilities for demonspawn
bring back everything that was removed
remove dev team; remove everything that was added by them
add fun

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>>175118960

Take your shield off whenever you see a shock serpent. It's useless against them and you want to kill it real quickly. You have stealth right? You can MoMu those shock serpents ez

>>175120639
It's level 8 for a reason.

WHY ID THEY REMOVE TARGETTING YOURSELF WITH RANDOM EFFECTS WANDS

>>175121712
did u die

>>175121257
Just to troll the dev team, add wands of death and a finger of death spell. The wands generate with d4 charges, has a maximum of 8 charges, and regains d4 charges when a ?recharging is used on it. The spell is L9 hexes/necromancy.

>>175118960
Vaults.

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>>175122031

I ran out of ?blink desu I may splat soon.

Didn't they fix exhaustion not expiring? My dude in trunk is stuck exhausted forever. Should I wait until trunk updates or something?

>>175122681
xl 17
80 hp

>>175122740
What's the specific version you're playing? Press "?V"

>>175122885
0.20-a0-1058-g0491fde

>>175122848

I can always just pretend to be playing a felid that trained fighting. I'm playing properly, surely optimal

>>175121257
1. Bring back monsters that were removed just to be removed (hill giants, hippogriffs, anubis guards, Norris, Maud, Wiglaf etc.). Don't bring back ballistomysomethings, various beetles and water monsters though.
2. Stop having HA HA GOTCHA shit in early D by making kobolds, goblins and orcs with blowguns/wands separate monsters so you know they are dangerous and don't have to tip toe around a fucking kobold because there's a 0.00000000000000000000000000001% chance it has curare.
3. Revert Ogre changes, make an actual Ogre Mage species for the current Ogre apts, reduce their HP and Fighting apt by 1-2 ticks probably, in turn give them slightly better magic aptitudes/attributes. Those fuckers cast LCS in monster version after all.
4. Bring back a Priest background but make it so you choose your starting god. Remove Berserkers, Abyssal Knights and Chaos Knights. You can't switch gods as a Priest.
5. Merge Monks into Wanderers - give the latter the Monk piety bonus.
6. Remove Warpers. There's nothing fun about them.
7. Bring back Stalkers and their spells as well as potions.
8. Remove identification. Everything is now identified on sight. Ash would need some buff to compensate, dunno what though.
9. Remove or rework the *Drain brand, including amulets of harm.
10. Rename Deep Elves to Elves.
11. Remove Beogh. It's basically Yred for Hill Orcs. Possibly remove Hill Orcs as well, not sure about that though.
12. Make Passage of Golubria work in Zot again, but nerf it so that you can't use it if there's any portal still remaining on the level. To compensate for the nerf, make the destination portal appear exactly where you want it; the entrance would be still placed semi-randomly.
13. Remove chopping off hydra heads mechanic.
14. Give slings and sling bullets to some monsters in Dungeon or Vaults so that you don't have to pray for Shoals or go Oka/Trog for sufficient amount of ammo. Rename fustishit back to greatslings.
(...cont)

>>175123380
Yeah, that doesn't have the Exhaustion fix yet.

The last part (after the g) points to this commit:
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=0491fde
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=0491fdee9de38303c5546982a417f51e58159cf3

which, if you on the list of commits to the main branch
(http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=shortlog)
was implemented before the exhaustion fix:
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b0a1de42263baaaba822147805a6f130237a978b

>>175123750

Ogre spell aptitudes are already good though

>>175121446
Fuck yes

>>175123795
Fug. Thanks for the help anon, I wouldn't have figured it out. I'll wait until trunk updates so that my dude can use Wutang chess boxing. Kind of bites not being able to use it when I really need a dude dead.

>>175120639
it can't hold a candle to haunt though

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>>175121257
Cooking skill

>>175124183

Haunt is shit since it's a lvl 7 dual school single target that only serves as a distraction. Why waste a ton of exp when infestation is better? It even works against skeletons and zombies last time I checked

>>175123750
warper is one of the greatest backgrounds in the game and i'm not even meming. their book and translocations in general breeds tacticool scenarios that your 3 int minotaur imagination can't even begin to conceive of

>>175124496
haunt literally kills oofs and panlords as well as unresistably permaslowing monsters what are you talking about you nooblord

What a silly book. Did you know that when you wanted to pick something up in .13, it wouldn't give you a menu to pick from? How awful.

>>175124496
>haunt
>shit
Absolute mad man. Haunt is one of those spells that will 100% hard carry you through a 3 rune game.

HAHAHAHA NOOBSHITS
FLAMING ANUS

>>175124664

They don't hit as hard as scarabs and that shit is single target. It's BAD

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>>175124737
The curse grows stronger with age.

>>175124850
it's single target because it's smite targeted and it hits 10 times as hard as scarabs because the monster is instantly surrounded by 8 monsters from all directions, which it can't walk away from to attack the player because they slow it and use blinkstrikes, so the functional damage is way higher and basically you're a retard

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>>175121257

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Little guy is lost.

>>175124183
I basically just haunt monsters then infest them. Death Channel if they leave good corpses.
Scarabs have AF_SLOW as well.

>>175124496
>>175124664
They are both great.

>>175124968

I bet you think LCS is good. How new are you

>>175125138
lcs is dank
i pity you noobs that can't fully appreciate the necronomicon, i bet you don't even memorize bjorjorjggiion and cast it 0 times in a 15 rune game

>>175125884
max HP is NOT a consumable

>>175123750
15. Significantly reduce the amount of random levels in Pandemonium, make them slightly smaller in size as well. Once you encounter all for unique pan lord levels and still haven't gotten demonic rune yet, you find a holy pan which is your last chance to get the rune; afterwards you're transported out of Pan and can't enter back.
16. Unique pan and hell lords can now come after you during the orb run, though it's a rare occurence.
17. Reveal the spellset of random pan lords immediately. Add one non-trivial spell to the set to compensate.
18. Make Nemelex decks of the same type take only one slot - if you find more of the same, you get more uses. God abilities need some reworking to accomodate that but I'd have to think about it a bit more. Also nerf decks of summoning.
19. Merge IE, FE, AE and EE into an Elementalist background with a starting book of your choice.
20. Make Charms spells permanent at the cost of max HP (max HP + max MP for VS). Bring back Haste and Repel Missiles, remove scarves.
21. Bring back Phase Shift except with a drawback (dunno what yet) similar to what Ozocubu's Armor has.
22. Nerf Animate Skeleton duration to last for about one fight. This spell is too fucking good for a level 1.
23. Move Apportation from level 1 to 4.
24. Move Summon Lightning Spire from level 4 to 5.
25. Move Confusing Touch from level 1 to 2 or 3.
26. Introduce a Ring of Fire type of spell for lightning element, no idea on details yet.
27. Make Abyss monsters give no experience, remove malmutators and stat drainers from there, reduce item generation to food only but make it more common to compensate for lack of corpses.
28. Remove cursed equipment and remove curse scrolls. Cursing items with Ash drains your attributes instead, uncursing is free.
29. Buff base stats of draconian monsters in Zot.

>>175123750
>13. Remove chopping off hydra heads mechanic.
Stopped reading here.

>>175124540
I don't think Spatial Translocations is a good starting book because it's basically built for running away and you're supposed to sacrifice some early XP for this running away as well on what is basically a fighting background.

Very creative insult by the way.

>>175126874
What's the point of it? So that you have to carry a dire flail/morningstar on your meleedude to switch for one type of a monster? Because it's crosstrained by axes anyway. It only makes long blades even worse than they already are due to their relative rarity.

We could also have a whole attack type resistance mechanics for a lot of monsters - some responding better to piercing, some to blunt weapons, some to slashes etc., might be even a good way to bring meleedudes a bit down. Having it just for one monster is silly though.

>>175126562

Or maybe they should just remove Ozocubu's armor instead. Let's admit it, 8-10 AC is literally nothing compared to a single additional aut of movement speed. The drawback is fucking nothing

>>175127124
It serves as a good gatekeeper for lair. Most characters have to find a way to deal with them, or else suffer. I believe the real problem that you should fix in your fork is the fact that lair is a slog of easy exp compared to every other area.

>>175127124

Who cares if it's crosstrained with axes? Axes are shit

>>175127195
The drawback is having to wear robe/leather/steam as well. The 0.1 aut increase on movement isn't significant, that's true. Maybe "give free stats" spells aren't that great for the game after all now that I think about it.

>>175127391
Increase the difficulty of monsters towards the end of Lair then (and force players to go there by moving branch entrances down); early Lair should still give some breathing spot before diving deeper into Dungeon in my opinion.
I need to play hellcrawl at some point to see what Lair removal does to the game.

>>175127610
If you're not using axes, why are you complaining about chopping off hydra heads?

I mean I know maces and flails are the most boring and the best weapon class at the same time due to their availability, but I don't get your point.

>>175127972

>The drawback is having to wear robe/leather/steam as well

How is that a drawback when that is what casters/felids/spriggans will always wear? It's a no brainer

>>175123750
>Ogre changes
/tg/ here. The ogre changes are actually pretty hilarious.

Ogre magi in D&D were not ogres who happened to also be magi, they actually were a different species of monster from the common ogre, inspired by the Japanese oni (hence the horns) and often featured in oriental settings like Kara-Tur/the weeaboo eastern parts of the Forgotten Realms.

Ogres and ogre-magi in Crawl were fused in part as a buff for regular ogres, which were shit, but also probably because the dev team weren't very well-read in nerd lore.

>>175128269
It's a drawback because it won't give you free AC on something that already has AC. Your argument about felids, casters etc. is of course valid.

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so statue form is good with these muts? and should i start training earth/trans now? i have a petrify spell i can learn just to start getting those skills up

>>175128152

>why are you complaining about chopping off hydra heads

No one is complaining about it except you since you want it removed. It's not an issue for people with brains

>>175128583
Statue form isn't nearly as good when you're using standard weapons. Just leave it alone.

>>175128773
b-but crushing things like grapes!
mangling enemies in pan!

>>175128830

Dragonform

>>175128583
what god?

>>175128830
You crush everything the same anon because your action delay gets increased as well. You get some resistances including rTorment, but you get slower reactions to things and inability to walk away, you also lose 3 armor slots. I tried it in extended, it works somewhat but like I said, isn't nearly as good as unarmed statue, where you have 12+UC base damage (so typically 30 or more) and a fucking shield on top of that.

>>175128830
not worth unless you worship ash or chei given your existing skills, since you would have to switch to unarmed.

>>175118960
Did ya choke yet, son?

>>175108229
>says elf
>posts one of the humans
shiggy

>>175115096
>easy_lore: false
sounds like a great way to discover drolem breath the hard way

>>175128342
it was a deliberate move away from the evil D&D

>>175131862
the sense of satisfaction I get when I finally win will only be all the greater

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>>175128342
more like BLOAT mages.

>>175129265
Unarmed statue is still not very good, because dragon form gives you 38 + UC and you move at normal speed

>>175128773
Its still great thanks to its Hp bonus and Rtorment

>>175128583
>FIGHTING THE SAME AS WEAPON SKILL
FAULT FAULT FAULT FAULT

>>175126908
spacial translocations is a good book in general but not a good starting book

if you're a race like Mi or Tr that can just otab through earlygame even without a melee background, it's just free access to the blink spell for your future self

>>175132657
Why wouldn't it be?

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=ea6813923d3f46e381df2eb74d69a4e92f1ba89c
Woah how did I miss that

>>175132778
fighting is a shit skill that you only level for HP

>>175132778
Fighting gives dmg (less than weapon), to hit (slightly more than weapon skill) and hp (based on max hp)
At that point hp barely increases with fighting skill but weapon skill does so so so much more for your damage

>>175132778
You want to get your delay to <1.0 before getting fighting just to prevent double turns

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>>175132474

The spells that I'm using

>>175132229
You'll burn out before victory, don't make your time with the game more tedious than it already is.

>>175133345

meant to >>175120380 Anything that is too good is bloat

>>175133345
>XL22
>102hp
>literal oneshot for LCS
>not even DMSL

wait, don't you have to either play ssh or record your tiles mumo victory yourself? That's discriminatory.

>>175133746
tiles still get a ttyrec

>>175133628
he's invis

>>175133427
>implying I care if I splat 10 great characters a year for 3 years before I win

>>175132778
It really isn't a fault at all. For races that have a harder time getting high weapon skill, a good rule of thumb is to get 1-1.5 levels in fighting for every 2 in your weapon. For Ds and Mu, I like to go as far as get my weapon delay to .9-1 (like 6 weapon skill) and then focus fighting up to 5 as my first skill goals. It'll increase your accuracy and damage faster than just focusing weapon skill, and the HP actually does matter in the early dungeon. The returns will be small, but having an extra 5 HP can only help you. Its on that weird crawl paradigm of "enough is far better than overkill."

>>175133746
no
all webtiles games are automatically recorded in a ttyrec as anon said
ponyposter played on tiles and his ttyrecs are stored somewhere

>>175133628

you can't play softies if you let something that can cast LCS near you

>>175136209
Remember when Lehudib's Crystal Spear was an actual Spear?

>>175136797
It was a pretty shit tier spear, tbqh.

>>175137064
you could throw it like a javelin and it would come back

>>175137120
Honestly, I stand by my statement. Projectile stuff was a mess back then, and the spear really asked a lot of you to make good use. It suffered the same problem X of returning gear suffers from, which is actually returning when thrown. You had to have HUGE throwing, which meant you had better shit to throw, like nets/blowguns/javs of penetration.

>>175137445
throwing is the best ranged skill though so it's not a big deal

>>175138121
Arguable, but it kind of was a big deal way back when all that shit ate up your inventory and weight. Doubly so if you had to enchant your ammo. I'd say throwing is in a good spot for current crawl though. Medium investment for a good offense, but probably not worth unless you have slaying.

>>175138302
>what are blowguns

>>175138764
I'm not impressed with them outside of early midgame, especially after the nerf. Needle stabs are cute, but there are far more consistent things you can be doing with that exp.

>>175138912
I'm not aware of anything that can supplant the usefulness of frenzy needles

>>175139382
Cblink.

>>175139496
no it doesn't

>>175140374
Anything you'd use frenzy on, you instead use cblink to walk away from.

Why doesn't Berserk scale

>>175140374

i want whatever you're smoking

>>175140862
>50% increased speed doesnt scale
???

>>175140986
? It's literally just a might pot and a haste

Why doesn't it scale

>>175140862
>50% increased HP doesn't scale
???

Berserk literally never stops being bad though.

>>175140683
frenzy can actually kill panlords for you, or kill all of their adds while weakening them. it can clear a blockade and prevent torments and hellfires. it can keep lom lobom from casting. you can dumbfire frenzy needles at something outside of your LOS

Frenzy is ridiculous.

>>175141354
So the cool thing about cblink is that you can use it to ninja runes. You don't have to kill the panlords if you have it.

Gaining temporary HP is mostly shit

>>175141515
it's easier to ninja runes if you frenzy the panlords first

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Wow, this game really does update daily

>>175142231
And yet nothing has ever changed

Is there a Solarized color template for CDDA?

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Got Slime Pits, Hell, Crypt, as well as Abyss and Pandemonium to do left, milked a lot of shit out of Oku but he's kinda run dry of anything useful, what god to change to if at all, and where to next to earn piety while dealing with a god's wrath? I haven't been this far into end game with 3 runes since 0.14 or 0.15

>>175142293
Sure it has! Remember all those fun and unique features? They're gone now! Isn't change exciting?

>>175143832
how does finesse and heroism ever get bad

>>175143832
God wrath is nothing at this point
go Chei

>>175143832
Go Zin for the sake of fun.

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Hahaha! The loot is all mine!

please don't let me down

>>175143832
>13ev
>THIRTEEN EVASION

>>175144791
just fist the minotaur

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Incontrovertibly loathsome

>>175144865
imfuckingplying I want to die

>>175145005
are manuals allowed

so just when does D: start to get difficult and I should stop to do Orc
>>175145005
better grab that CBoE

>>175145047
If trunk then do orc after lair
If not trunk then do orc whenever the fuck you feel like it

>>175145117
Obviously. I did D to 10 before Lair, then did Lair, now I'm doing D to ???
I'm on D:12 right now, thinking about just skipping orc entirely except I need resists.

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>Clear Orc, Lair, down to D:15
>ctrl-f "rPois"
>Can't find anything matching that

>>175145349
post dump

>>175145349
why would mumo need rPois

>>175145393
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Thaddeus/Thaddeus.txt

It's nice to see all these new mumos around
Bless your little bandages

>>175145449
just level fighting/dodging with a lesser focus on armour, then go punch spider to death manmode
if you're having difficulty go dip depths or elf

>>175145349
>go swamp
>kill a dragon
>skin it
>enchant armour the hide
>free rpois armour

>>175145597
also an excellent idea

>>175145449
Oh holy shit son what's that skill thing you've got in your dump
This:
Skill XL: | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------+-----
Unarmed Combat | 4 5 6 8 10 11 12 14 16 18 | 18.1
Dodging | 6 8 | 8.1
Throwing | 3 | 3.0
Armour | 4 6 9 | 9.3
Fighting | 3 6 7 | 7.5
Shields | 5 10 | 10.0
Evocations | 6 | 6.0
Stealth | | 1.0

I'VE GOT TO HAVE IT
TELL ME WHAT IT'S CALLED

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note to self: always use !haste on Hell entrance

>>175145798
But every dump after like 0.17 has it on webtiles

>>175145892
did you get elephant pushed off the stair LUL

>>175119814
It also has a Korsair role, which is another variation of the pirate. And at least dnethack has the pirate role as well, the others probably don't.

>>175145892
i fucking warned you about 100hp
Also fault for stepping off the stairs