/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

friendly reminder that mame is unacceptable for serious play

the chinks agree, don't bother them about it

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>>174941865
Well, it's like, take what you can get, you know? Not everyone lives around the corner from a massive Japanese arcade lined with shmups. If you've got no other way to play, then you got no other way to play. At the very least, you can be well-practiced for if you ever do get the chance to play it on a real arcade machine!

>>174941082
>>174942372
Fuck off pedophile deathsmilesfag

>>174943508
morality-kun, pls

wtf guys whyd you let the thread die

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>>174943508
Oh, it's about 14 months too late for that.

>>174944152
Windia's fault.

>>174944152
dead shit genre that nobody cares about any more is why

deathsmiles is the best

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>Be prepared for a teaser video to drop late this week.

>Does anyone want to take guesses on the game?

>Two hints:

>1. It's from a dev we have already worked with.
>2. Not CAVE.


>Not CAVE
why even bother then? lmao

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>>174941865
go play quality ports

>there is an Under Defeat rom for mame
What? How is mame supposed to play this game?

>>174947041
This still made me sad that they even let it happen

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>>174947106
It kind of fascinates me that it did happen. It's such a half-assed job, the game wasn't altered to match the cover or anything. You just buy this weird Charlie's Angels lookin' game and then pop it in to get a loli witch flying around shooting magic and whatnot.

>>174947072
sega naomi, this easy to emulate

>>174947487
How do I do it then? When I try to start it, mame crashs. Do I have to put the CHD file into the rom folder or the actual archive of the game?

>under defeat
buy an xbox/ps3/dreamcast you poor faggots

>>174947646
you should download sega naomi rom and emulator, not mame

>>174947991
>buy a console for a game you can emulate
terrible advice

>>174948467
>emulation
anon, you.. you know what... lol..... just...... lol

>>174948535
Yes because we all know that 360 ports are as authentic as they come lmao

>>174948664
under defeat port to the gameboy would be more authentic than emulation LOL

>>174948784
Try to explain your reasoning for this

>>174946198
seriously, I got excited till I saw that it wasn't cave. who fucking cares?

>>174948784
absurd but actually true

>>174950091
>can't afford to pay cave for games that matter
>here guys we got another poojin for ya, get le hoype!!
LOL!

>>174950239
decent chance it's ginga force and tiny chance it's natsuki. so maybe not a doujin. other option is doujin samidare.

>>174946198
If it's not presented by CAVE, why bother presenting it at all?

The Under Defeat rom for dreamcast nullDC works, but the graphics are somehow kinda ugly.

>>174953527
>dreamcast

>rom

found the plebian retard.

>>174942372
>you can be well-practiced for if you ever do get the chance to play it on a real arcade machine!
more than that, the less input lag and greater slowdown makes it easier and you'll score higher than before. Why do you think dads opt for pcb? because it's easier and for plebs.

Who are Kraut and Cee? Explain who they are and what they do please.

>>174955264
Who cares

>>174955264
local cumdumps
>what they do
provide their boypussies to worthy shmupg players, i can't wait for shmupgcon 2017.

>>174955264
attention whores, who got nothing

>>174955264
the heart and lungs/ yin and yang of shmupg.

>>174955264
Kraut: Autism mascot of /shmupg/
Cee: Man of virtue and laughter

>>174961939
t. cee

>>174962121
Nice try kraut but I see through you.

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This game is hard.

So why is cream back? I thought she said she stoped with this degenrate hobby?

>>174965585
shmups are redditpilled you mong

>>174965585
>she

>>174965585
>implying trannys don't have an emotional spectrum like a 9/11 pilot

They're all over the place mate.

It's Samidare.

>degica doesn't port cave games
>only upcoming game is poowarumi
why even play this dead genre

>>174968643
>degica doesn't port cave games anymore
>all the cavedrones go back to their touhou games
best time to play this dead genre

>>174968710
>cavedrones go back to their touhou games
i wonder who could be behind such an idiotic post

>>174968807
Ikaruga brings out the worst in people

>>174968940
worst game, worst people. it all makes so much sense now.

>>174968348
Is the game really only 15min long?

>>174969175
15 mins to long.

>>174969175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t34dvg5F5rA

>>174969393
i sincerely hope this abomination doujin shite isn't next.

>>174969642
Get ready to be disappointed then.

>>174969175
15 minutes is the perfect shmup lenght, but this game is 10 minutes too long.

Was the guy who played Dogyuun on STG Weakly from here?
I remember here also posted a MAX once.

>>174970259
>Was the guy who played Dogyuun on STG Weakly from here?
"dude" was overtly frequent in his vocab so i'd say it's likely he's here unfortunately.

>>174969393
A poohou-like? Ugh...
Looks boring as hell

>>174971439
What defines a touhou-like? It looks like a normal vert shmup to me unless you mean focus on boss battles instead of stage layout?

>>174971713
The bullet patterns, layout and focus on boss battles, yes.

>>174971439
My thoughts exactly, it looks like generic Touhouesque garbage. More CAVE when?

>>174971713
it's the typical boring ugly doujin shite we've seen 100s of times before.

degica focus on bringing arcade to steam not more of this throw away horseshit poojin.

>>174946198
>Not CAVE
D R O P P E D
R
O
P
P
E
D

Lord dad shows touhou kids how it's done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcoEwli_384

>>174946198
How sad is it that he has to have "not CAVE" as a hint? He must know people don't give a shit any to anything else. Have they confirmed or denied that they're done with CAVE yet?

tell me about ikeda, why does he sell the piss?

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>>174973812
Well, at least they were nice enough to say it wasn't CAVE and keep us from getting our hopes up for that.

Anyways, as far as I'd heard, they're still willing to do CAVE ports, but CAVE hasn't really tried doing anything else with them yet.

Tell me about /shmupg/, why are their memes all stale?

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>>174977681
Let's see if they will announce something in/after the event.
I doubt it, of course it will be Gomaotsu related promotion

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>>174978963
>spoiler
Most likely. If there is a new announcement, I'm pessimistic enough to believe it'll just be another crummy mobile game with reused assets like Gold Label.

>Plumeria's tie going between her tits like that
I see what they're trying to do but damn does it look stupid. I wonder when the next Deathsmiles event will be.

>>174965831
>>174967650
wait what, cream is tranny?

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>>174979976

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>>174980181

>>174958442
Kraut is the yin here, make no mistake.

>>174977681
>Well, at least they were nice enough to say it wasn't CAVE and keep us from getting our hopes up for that.
Yeah, that's true. At least I know I won't be spending any money on games.

>>174977495
He likes to take the piss.

>>174946198
>not CAVE
At least it might be good.

>>174985330
>not CAVE and also good
There's a first time for everything!

what happened? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=660224194

>>174989501
someone decided to make a garbage game and used anime tits to sell it?

>>174991074
I will make a good game and use anime tits to sell it.

>>174991157
this is only possible if you work for cave

>>174991074
>>174991157
>>174992565
I will make a hopefully good game with anime tits but they are not the intended selling point! but I won't be upset at anyone who finds it the only appealing part

>>174992904
>but I won't be upset at anyone who finds it the only appealing part
let the best tits win!

>>174992565
Except for the good game part.

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>>174979976
>thought cream was a female.

>>174996473
She is, the dick just makes it better

>>174996473
Yeah. Didn't really even thought the opportunity.
>>174997503
This. My dick is even harder now.

enough with your girlfriend's penis, post your progress in shmups
today i got to last boss in poojin kusoge Vulkaiser, now can't even get out of first stage, maybe tomorrow. i want to send replay to stg archive guy becouse there are no super hard clears of this game on youtube.

>tfw mom interrupts garegga study time and makes me walk the dog
stupid fucking bitch

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>>174999846
I tossed a few credits into CCWI and was trying that out a bit more. Seems alright but I'm not sure if I'll try to make anything of it yet.

Type II because I like blue.

>>175000901
>not listening to 6 hour long garegga lecture while walking the dog

>>174973812
>cavedrones
>people
Ha, in the west they are on the same level as poohou fans.

>>174999846
>want to send replay to stg archive guy
I think that faggot doesn't even accept kusoclears anymore. Once send him a replay and didn't get any response.

>>175001051
I tried it too, seems ok but not really worth spending any time in like a CAVE game.

>all the people on the farm saying they like ginga force
>it's samidare

>>175005116
As if you'd have any time in any game at all.

>Will you also be bringing Samidare to Steam?
>This is something we're looking into but can't comment on at this point.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/435970/discussions/0/357286033301912248/

>>175006212
>poohou clone
Cavedrones will love it

>>174999846
played early toaplan games a bit, still bad at this

>>175006212
>Will you release Ginga Force for PC?
>Ginga Force isn't planned for now, but it's an awesome game and we'd love to work on it in the future if we get the opportunity.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/378770/discussions/0/523897653304356660/

Samidare it is.

>>175005304
>farmers get teased and asked to guess which game
>everyone wants ginger force
>they get a poojin kusoge instead
classic degica

>>175006278
>Cavedrones will love it
Nah Cavedrones should play CCWI, it's a poor fascimile of a CAVE game and pretty bad overall but it's the closest they can get outside of actually playing a CAVE game.

>>174999846
Earlier, I've practiced CCWI Unlimited mode stage 3 and then its boss for the first time. At the boss, I've managed to 1-miss it 2 or 3 times at best out of countless attempts. I still need to get better at the stage, especially at snakes and the part after them.

>>175009253
>Cavedrones should play CCWI
Butt CCWI doesn't have waifus (the main selling point of Caveshit)

>game lasts over hour
>died before two last stages
fucking hell

>>174999846
Played some Under Defeat for the first time today.
Great game! Probably one of my favorite shooters.
Too bad the emulation has graphic glitches though.

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I'm gonna watch this in bed now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jZP99dWxw

Gute Nacht!

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Pop.

are you going to buy samidare shmupgee?

>>175022117
If the 10min game is 1usd per minute of gameplay I don't think I will no

>>175022117
LOL!

>>175021893
puffy

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Popping Puyos. Stay alive /shmupg/.

>>175022865
That logic doesn't apply to shmups though. All legitimate shmup players spend $2000 for PCBs, for games that take a half hour to play. If you consider that then Samidare could actually cost $300 and still be a steal.

>No one is even CLOSE yet.

>/trollface.

so...does this mean someone got it and he is memeing. or that no one got it?

>>175032048
it's the new poohou

>>175032734
that doesn't fit since they've never worked with zun

>>175032048
It might be Dadregga.

>>175033830
have they worked with m2

>>175034286
They have. I hope it's Dadregga desu. It's a shit meme game and I don't give a fuck about playing it, but it would significantly increase the odds of Feveron coming to PC.

i hope it's not dadregga and is instead some literal who poojin

>>175034703
maybe they will skip dadregga and go straight to feveron
it's coming out on ps4 in a few days after all

dadregga is the only logical choice

can't wait to see how degica manages to botch this port

>>175035210
>maybe they will skip dadregga and go straight to feveron
They already said it isn't CAVE.

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>>175036214
oh thats right i forgot it's an irrelevant game nobody wants

>>175037361
Cee on the left, Kraut on the right.

It is Under Defeat
mark my words

>>175038924
shit kraut bait game desu

>>175034820
>i hope it's not dadregga and is instead some literal who poojin
It's unlikely. Degica has barely released any doujins at all. Refrain is the only one I can think of and he already implied it isn't Samidare.

>>175035598
>can't wait to see how degica manages to botch this port
Degica doesn't do ports and M2 already had Garegga playable on a PC in a Japanese arcade before it was released.

>>175038924
>It is Under Defeat
I hope not, but it's a slim possibility. Degica didn't publish Strania and it flopped, but they did do work with g,rev on DBCS. I'd rather see Border Down.

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Bumping before bed

>>175043378
I can do that for you casper

is this the natural evolution of shmups? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IwPOIcloiU

most epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mE3o_Kiw5Q

>>175044267
Making girls that are also ships is going too far

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best waifu

post moar K.B.aRt

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>>175049548

its touhou

>>175049640
wat that's not by kbr, assclown. only ubermensch art is welcome.

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>>175050595

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>>175051021

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>>175051248
I'm a terrible artist and don't have much too post, sry.
Most of my stuff is also on paper still.

>>175051880
>I'm a terrible autist
ye.

That's pretty nice though, kbr playing guwange when?

>>175051880
If that looks terrible then I'm really curious about the good stuff.

>>175052116
>kbr playing guwange when?
Maybe some day, idk? Currently I am playing Under Defeat and Raiden III though.

>>175052575
My stuff is not that good. I have some talent, but I am too lazy to make really good stuff.

>>175053157
>I am playing Under Defeat and Raiden III though.
raiiden 3 probs won't take you to long desu, last stage is a bit of a shitter. UD is great, they need to bring it to steam.

>>175053157
Again. What is the good stuff then?

>>175053497
Yea, Raiden III doesn't seem that hard, but it's quite exhausting to practice.

>>175053986
I don't have good stuff. I'm terrible, sry. I was quite decent grafitti once, but I can't post this.

>>175055215
I mean. If you think that you're terrible then I want to know what you consider as a good art. You do have some favorite artist or art, don't you? That's what I want to know.

>>175056383
>You do have some favorite artist or art, don't you?
Of course. My favorite artist is Suehiro Maruo

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>when you go for real run after practice

https://www.twitch tv/xaerock
Momoiro Underground, from Mecha Ritz maker

>>175061836
where is download link

>>175061836
What an absolute clusterfuck

what this >>174412952

>>175063252
>what this
autistic teenages

>>175063252
Our personal containment thread.

>>175061836
this came out? how long till steam release?

>>175068187
Currently it's limited release in physical form. Digital release maybe will follow soon, expect Steam version in one year!

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What the fuck is this called

>>175069517
Bullying

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>>175069517

>>175069704
>tfw you will never be as cute as her
I should actually attempt to beat that game, I played it a bunch as a kid on the genesis but I fucking suck at shmups

>>175069517
Tuna Sandwich

where does Dadregga place on THE LIST?

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>>175072967
26

>>175073169
1-loop? it loops?

Ok, lets post our shmup confessions:

- i'm a poohou poster but i do enjoy playing eosd

>>175074778
>Ok, lets post our shmup confessions:
I've never found a shmup I like that wasn't presented by CAVE or TAITO.

>>175074778
I'm a terrible shmup player yet I play exclusively on the highest difficulty. The only shmup I 1cc'd so far is Blue Revolver.

>>175074778
I like Ikaruga

>>175074778
i'm play only CAVE

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>>175043468
Don't say stupid things.

>>175074778
Sometimes I think about scoring with Windia instead of Casper but reassuringly, I know I'm far too lazy to ever actually do that.

At least 85% of the reason I want Deathsmiles II on Steam is for the hope of getting it translated.

In tandem with the above confession, I am overly concerned with the Deathsmiles lore and have thoroughly mulled over every aspect of the world and characters with a couple of friends over the past few years. Sometimes I consider trying to help the thread stay afloat during slow times with ramblings about that but I'm pretty sure it would make me look even more strange than I already do, and I doubt anyone else would care much about it anyways.

I stopped playing Touhou years ago and I think the series has gone sharply downhill since UFO but like some sort of abused spouse I always come back to give the new (shmup) games a try anyways.

From time to time I still browse Touhou music arranges on Youtube, but usually just the songs that I've already heard 100 different arranges of before, like Locked Girl, Septette for the Dead Princess, and Necrofantasia.

My shmup palate isn't diverse enough to confess anything that isn't about Touhou or Deathsmiles.

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>>175082643

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>Deathsmiles lore

>>175073613
Yea, but only in some special mode/Version.

'Normal' way to play is the 1cc/1loop mode.

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>>175083425
Ok.

>>175083678
Yeah that's about right.

>>175061836
>>175062669
>>175068187
>>175068596

Would you actually buy it though? Say it was 8.99usd on Steam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlAKOSAfBzg

>>175085161
I'd buy it, yes.

>>175085161
>Would you actually buy it though? Say it was 8.99usd on Steam
I would buy it. I bought Mecha Ritz and liked it but the lack of cheevos and leaderboards was a turn off. I would wait for a sale or launch discount/deal to be h o n e s t.

>>175085161
Would have to pirate it or play a demo before buying, very conflicted. It seems interesting and it's nice to have a new hori, but it also looks very obnoxious visually and soundwise not to mention kinda janky.

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Fucking unbalanced shit. You basically do nothing the whole game, and last three stages just throw a tons of shit into you

>>175083678
not as embarrassing as people who care about poohou's story desu

>>175089226
I'd rather indulge myself in poohou's lore than poohou games.

>>175092521
i'd rather not indulge in poo at all

>>175083678
why is that fox face so familiar?

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>>175096849

>>175096849
Probably used as custom smilies on some weeb sites.

does sdoj stole crimzon c features

>>175102134
they're both shit, so probably.

>>175102134
sdoj is actually good so it seems unlikely

>>175102956
>sdoj is actually good
>sh-3

no.

>>175102956
Seems cave use soft slowdown, not abusing hardware limits as usually

>>175103563
nice meme
sh3 > your favorite games

>>175104206
meme? only literal pleb tier retards think sh-3 is good, every game has garish renders, atrocious slowdown implementation and a ton of input lag by pcb standards and the boards die a lot. cave died after pgm with the exception of futari..

>>175105068
nice memepinions you got there
where can i subscribe to ur newsletter

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>>175105068
>futari

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wheres me bumpah

>>175105068
have a (You), it seems like you really need one right now.

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>>175105068
good thing the best sh-3 game ibara has barely any slowdown

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Stay alive, /shmupg/. Or else I'll punish Windia for letting the thread die.

>>175118789
haven't you been on this mission for the past 4 months?

>T-minus 2 hours, 50 minutes

dadregga or literal who poojin kusoge soon

>>175119725
Is there a countdown page or something?

>>175119725
inb4 shooter maker lmao

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>>175119206
Hey man, I'm starting to get back into it now. Something in my mindset switched, and I think I can finally do it, devise strategies, unleash my dormant skill and destroy DBCS' last few challenges.

There's no easy way to practise G.T.V though, so I have to make due with another mission with 4 stages to practise him. Actually managed to no-miss him, so I know I can do it.

The only issue with this mission is that with 14 stages that are pretty boring at this point, I get rather anxious, so I make many mistakes and end up not having enough composure for G.T.V or enough shields to brute-force through it.

It's annoying, but tomorrow I'll most probably finally do it.

>>175120786
you can do it!

>>175119725
Maybe it will be another DBCS dlc!

>>175123679
WE DONT NEED MORE DLC FOR THAT FUCKING GAME

so uh
how do you guys know how long it is till the announcment

>>175128176
noon japan time

>>175128756
So about 30 minutes, then.
If it's a poojin I'll hang myself.

>>175123679

>Be prepared for a teaser video to drop late this week.

>Does anyone want to take guesses on the game?

>Two hints:

>1. It's from a dev we have already worked with.
>2. Not CAVE.

tfw this fits

>>175129910
>If it's a poojin I'll hang myself.
The chances of it being a doujin are very low, Degica has only released one ever.

my dad works for degica, it's dadregga

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5 minutes, this better be fucking interesting.

>>175102134
what's stolen from it anyway? sdoj still inherit its predecessor, haipa- mo-do

>>175118789
is it possible to break that zero number on the far left side?

>it's past noon in japn
>no game
CLASSIC DEGICA

>12:08 JST
WHERE'S MY GAREGGA

>>175132615
>>175132668
>actually fell for it

>it's LITERALLY WHO NO RONDE DUO
c l a s s i c
d e g i c a

>>175087605
you are probably using three-way with auto-fire on, it's a lot harder otherwise. last boss is bullshit even with auto and the game is way too long and repetitive, 1943 kai is better if only becouse it's shorter. both are a lot better than 1942 though.

>>175133026
it isn't a doujin, but we live in the worst of all possible worlds

>>175133026
Wew, I take back what I said, I would rather have a poojin shooter than a stg-lite.

they did it because it's g.rev's, what a fool

>>175133129
i'm talking about arcade btw, NES port looks pretty bad and becouse resolution is low it's really hard to dodge, though charge shot is a fun addition.
>>175133026
i don't know what the fuck is going on in that game.

>>175133664
>should we give them border down or under defeat?
>nah let's give them a total kusoge that no one gives a fuck about instead

reminder that strania sold like a turd sandwich
grev learned that pc mustard race doesnt want shmups, so they will try their fighting game instead

>>175133796
but muh competitive game

>Senko no Ronde 2

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>>175134013

are they actively trying to go out of business?

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>>175134013
This... saddens me a bit but I am willing to be hopeful I suppose...

>>175078098
>I play exclusively on the highest difficulty
this is the proper way to play poojin/console shmups, they are just too forgiving otherwise.

>>175138356
it's probably like that 2hu genso wanderer game

>>175134013
At least we can be sure that g.rev is still willing to port to steam

>>175141150
yeah but what about cave

>this genre is so dead, even the few shmups that come out are not shmups anymore
really makes you think

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Last bahmpu before bed~

Keep flying /shmupg/

>>175141259
I don't care about cave. But I'm pretty sure they will still at least port SDOJ sooner or later

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quality shmups

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>>175134013
>>Senko no Ronde 2

i sincerely feel like degica is involved in a conspiracy to release shmups on steam in order of least desired first. Bring us psyvariar/homura/milestone/UD and any good cave game ffs.

>>175144373
>order of least desired
>Bring us psyvariar/homura/milestone/UD
sounds like you're trying to assist them then
nobody cares about these shit games lmao

>>175144373
Shmups are dead. The only stuff we still can get is uguu kawaii onii-chan desu ne bastardized shmups.

>>175145236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBWuDhIv9B0

Shutdown and it starts

>>175146149
here's some banter
buy a console that has the games you want to play instead of begging for them like a poor little nigga
maybe if you spent less time practicing your clown tricks and more time working you'd be able to afford them
bitch

>>175147053
>buy a console that has the games you want to play instead
I did... i own 3 dcasts, a ps2, saturn, n64 so sorry but your "banter" failed. The point is if they come to steam i can have everything conveniently in one place without cable changes and fuck the archaic consoles off, i wouldn't expect you to think practically however. Degenerado.

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>>175147053
>2017
>buying consoles

>>175147053
>i can't do logic
>spend money on consoles
>spend money on steam
>one is begging like poor nigga
>????

Wtf degica, how awful is this

>>175148810
better than begging
rev up those petitions for dadregga

>>175149031
one platform has games you want the other doesnt
not sure why youre having trouble following along friend

>>175149201
>one platform has games you want the other doesnt

I already own those playtforms which fyi never give the devs a penny because of second hand market, i'd prefer them on a more modern practical platform which benefits the devs directly.. not sure why you're having trouble following along friend.

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don't lose hope /shmupg/!

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>>175151753

>>175151753
wow this looks exciting
what is this kusogay

>>175152218
>what is this
this is why i hate you cunts.

>>175152218
That's Gun Frontier, Ikeda made it before refining it into Battle Garegga

>>175152293
i too hate people who don't know what some garbage game from 1983 is

>>175152593
this was made before ikeda was born
nice try wojak

>>175153672
>garbage game
FUCK YOU, ITS CLASSIC

>>175153672
>calling Fire Shark garbage
you're the garbage here buddy

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>>175134013
really?

I would have bought Semidare even if its doojin and a bit like 2hu and instead they release this fucking weeb trash fighting game. I was really excited about the upcoming release, fuck this

And ofc the farm loves it

The fact that it's not really a shmup aside, is it a fun mp game?

>>175156880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APkHwo9nQOo

>is it a fun mp game?
no

why did degica tease a fighting game on the farm?

>>175153672
>some garbage
fuck off cunt, samesamesame will leave your plebian arsehole looking like a violent child head fucked an easter egg.

degica should've ported fireshark

>>175156707
>Semidare
its free, no?

>>175157697
>it's hard so it must be really good
t. plebian who only plays for the e-peen

>>175158153
>calling others plebian whilst being the definition of the word

Post you're scores.

>>175156831
It's kinda bizarre what a turbo weeb Icarus actually is. He doesn't even play Cave.

>>175158265
>He doesn't even play Cave.
He tried guwange once but failed like most.

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>>175158219
4chan only allows 2000 characters.

>>175158515
"i'm a faggot bitch with no good scores" seems feasible then?

>>175158265
Shmups is a weeb genre no matter what you play.

>>175159192
Naw, to me, a weeb is a person who likes this cheap uguu kawaii anime style with adrogynos gay characters and whatnot solely made to pander to otakus, like in senko no ronde.

>>175160329
Oh, well you're wrong.

>>175160461
No I'm not? Weebs are people who buy waifu pillows. Just because you like certain styles of japanese art, doesn't mean you'd buy waifu pillows.

>>175160576
Yes, you are. Sorry to inform you that you're a weeb.

>>175160461
Bollocks, he's right you fucking deviant cock womble. Raiden and gradius ruled supreme when there was no weeb bullshit, all that came later.

>>175160329
>unironically used kawaii in a sentence
definitely a weeb

>>175159192
If you use the meme definition of weeb which means anyone who enjoys japanese media

If shmups have to be simple (only 3 buttons used at max), then why was Radiant Silvergun so successful and popular?

>>175161401
Because it was made by treasure

>>175161450
But many people who like it actually do not like everything by Treasure.

>>175161450
It's the only good game Treasure ever made though.

>>175161548
Name 5

>>175161640
Fuck off shitposter

>>175161401
Who said they must be that simple? It's just good design to keep things simple as long as it doesn't sacrifice depth. Failing at that doesn't make games shit since it's just one aspect.

>>175162190
>Who said they must be that simple?
The guys at Raizing for example. Most people think shmups should be kept simple and easy to get into.

Probably also the reason why 99% of them only use 3 buttons at max, while every other genre uses twice the amount of buttons.

>>175162345
It just comes down to preference, but I will say that it's a good fit for the arcades since the games are all about jumping in and having fun. The less time spent learning the controls, the better. Not sure how Radiant Silvergun did on the arcades, but it was a much bigger success on the Saturn was it not?

>>175162664
Yes, shmups being arcade games probably has a lot to do with this. But then again, fighting games are also arcade games and used many buttons and were more successful.

Idk, it's just weird to me why shmups never made use of more buttons.

>>175162932
time to make the DMC4 of shmups, kraut

>>175163468
It's on its way soon. It's called Senko no ronde 2.

>>175163468
I think the reason for only using 3 buttons in shmups is mainly because you almost always have a finger on the main shot button. Having to reach all buttons like this is just awkward.

In fighting games you use a variation of attacks all the time, but in shmups you mostly use your main shot.

That's also why it worked for Radiant Silvergun, because there you do not really have a main shot or secondary weapon. You just have all kinds of weapons.

>>175162932
Stellavanity uses 6 buttons plus two optional ones. But it feels forced and does not really add any fun factor.

>>175163758
I also never said more buttons make a game better.
The thing is just that it's really difficult to still make something unique in this genre when you only can use 3 buttons at max.

>>175163892
Just how many mechanics do you want? Mars Matrix has 4 mechanics that use only a single button, and if you're using 3 you have the benefit of button combinations.

>>175162932
we already had this discussion. fighting games are not singleplayer/coop like most arcades, for example arcade beat 'em ups are about fighting too, but they rarely have a lot of buttons becouse it's not versus other players, you don't need extra layer of depth if you fight against an entire army of ai.
>>175163892
there is nothing stopping you from adding extra buttons if you can make it work.

>>175164287
>Just how many mechanics do you want?
I'm still not sure. Because everything has been already done. Except I make some weird shit which plays like crap.

>Mars Matrix has 4 mechanics that use only a single button
How should this work?

>if you're using 3 you have the benefit of button combinations
Sure, but this often is not enough. It depends on the game.

>>175164764
literally go play Mars Matrix

>>175164313
>you don't need extra layer of depth if you fight against an entire army of ai
Of course you don't need it, but it would definitely make your game stand out against the competition.

>>175164848
>make your game stand out against the competition.
it's too early for you to care. how about makin simple, freeware games like SAK did? even Crimzon Clover was a simple game initially, break was added later.

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>>175139834
This is true actually. Geno wasn't a bad game, just different. Do you think they will release a demo of the game before launch?

>>175165368
It's not that I have a problem with simple games, it's just that the mechanics I like have been already done.
If I could make a simple game which is not just a copy of an other game I would gladly do it.
But the things I want to do already exist. That's why I think I have to add more stuff to it, to make it more unique.

>>175164843
So it's just 2 types of taps, and 2 types of charge shots.
I also already have something similar, but I think Mars Matrix would play better with 2 buttons.

Just because you are able to use less buttons, doesn't mean it is the best way to do it.

>>175165568
I am sure we can both agree that simple games can be super fun too right? So if you can make a simple game that is just fun to play without all of the 'bells and whistles' then any extra layer of complexity you add on top of it, if polished, can only make it even better. Need that cake baked first though before you can add the frosting.

>>175165568
what's wrong with making a copy, watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc
nothing is original and a lot of artists started by literally copying shit.
btw TAC made some simple games in dezaemon too.

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>>174979976
What's this about Cream having a chinchin?

>>175165798
>what's wrong with making a copy
It's just a copy, not an original.
Good games are not copies. They can be inspired by other games, but they never just copy.

Stop acting as if every shmup would just be a copy. There are many very original shmups with very distinct mechanics that made them stand out.

>>175165779
>Need that cake baked first though before you can add the frosting.
The problem is that the cake has already been done to death, that's why I am already thinking about the frosting.

I don't just want to make a shitty copy of games. I want to make somethign at least a bit original. But at the same time I also want to do what I like.

>>175165749
Only the bomb is somewhat awkward to use, the others are very intuitive and feel good. If you use this idea for all the buttons, you'll have 9 actions in total at least. Then you could have button combinations and weapon switching on top of that, that allow for well over a dozen possible actions. Is that really not enough?

>>175166017
here's your (you) cream.

>>175166070
>It's just a copy, not an original.
sometimes copy is a huge improvement, sometimes original is total shit despite being ground breaking. but of course by "copy" i don't mean a total rip-off, thoughh sometimes even total rip-off can end up being good, giana sisters only copied first few levels from super mario bros. it's largely an original game.
>Good games are not copies
but they techincally are, satazius is just a remix of various classic shmups, it's hardly original, but it still plays like it's own thing.
>Stop acting as if every shmup would just be a copy
it's not shmups, everything is a rip-off of something.
>There are many very original shmups with very distinct mechanics that made them stand out.
no idea is completely original, ever. if you'd watch that video i posted you wouldn't think i'm insulting shmups or some shit.

>>175166453
>Only the bomb is somewhat awkward to use
The main shot is also awkward to use. There is a reason why shmups have rapid-fire nowadays, and not constant tap firing.

A much better layout for the game would have been
>tap A for piercing shot
>hold A for rapid shot

>hold B for bullet shield
>press A+B for bomb

>>175166810
Disagreed about the tapping but does it really matter? The point is that you have 3 different interactions with the button which is press after a period of time, tap and hold that you can assign different actions to. You could for example have autofire on hold while relegating tapping to a weapon like a sword

>>175166743
>satazius is just a remix of various classic shmups, it's hardly original, but it still plays like it's own thing
Satazius is also not a good game compared to really good shmups. It's crap compared to Gradius.

>no idea is completely original, ever
Sounds like you just have no creativity and try to justify it with this.
Just because 90% of games just copy others, doesn't mean that there can't also games whcih do something original.

>>175167259
I know how you can use buttons, you don't have to tell me this.
But in an actual game in doesn't work like this.
Just because you use 3 buttons, doesn't mean you can use them for 12 mechanics.
That's not how this works. It would just make the controls feel awkward as fuck.

>>175069517
刺身?

>>175167564
Hard to say without knowing what kind of mechanics you want to add. You could have mode switching that change your moveset while still keeping one main button, you can have buttons that act as modifiers for your primary button when held down, etc. And 12 shots is insane for a shmup, even Radiant Silvergun doesn't have that many.

>>175167321
Sounds like you just have no creativity and try to justify it with this.
why the fuck would i care? i never had an interest in creating something. watch the video and you'll see. but of course you won't becouse you are a kraut, you know everything, you got it all figured out already, you are the smartest here.
>Satazius is also not a good game compared to really good shmups. It's crap compared to Gradius.
you've spent 120 hours in a crap game, congrats.
>doesn't mean that there can't also games whcih do something original.
there would be no ikaruga without xevious, there would be no xevious without space invaders. any original game is largely build on something that already existed and that's AT BEST. in 99% of cases, what you think is an original idea already existed in some other game in some different form, they just added modified it a bit and added it into a different genre.

>>175168126
It's not hard to say at all. You can't use every button as a charge button, or whatever.
And I never said I want to use 12 mechanics. I just want to do something original, and it is difficult to do this with only 3 buttons available.

>>175168430
You can have them act as modifiers as I've said, that's practically the same thing except less clunky. 3 buttons aren't all that limiting, you could make controls more comfortable with more buttons but that's the least of your worries considering you don't even know what the mechanics you're going to be mapping are.

>>175168216
>watch the video and you'll see. but of course you won't becouse you are a kraut
I am watching the video, you fucktard, and it doesn't tell me anything new.
I already know that musicians copy a lot. That's nothing new to me. However, musicians also can copy much more subtle than video game devs.

>you've spent 120 hours in a crap game
I never said Satazius is crap. I said it is crap compared to Gradius.
Satazius is a decent game, but nothing special. It's a very good doujin, but Gradius is a fucking legend.

> ikaruga without xevious, there would be no xevious without space invaders
Are you trying to tell me Ikaruga plays just like Xevious? You must be retarded. And Xevious also didn't just copy Space Invaders. Xevious was original for many reasons, like for example using a very original technic to scroll backgrounds, and actually using background in a shmup in general.

>in 99% of cases, what you think is an original idea already existed
How do you litttle faggot even want to know what I think is original?

>>175168821
If you use 3 buttons only, it would absolutely make no sense to have any one of them as a modifyer.
Modifyers only make sense with at least 4 buttons.

>you could make controls more comfortable with more buttons but that's the least of your worries
Controls are the most important thing in a game. How can the controls be the least of my worries?
>you don't even know what the mechanics you're going to be mapping are
And what does this have to do with this? When I am thinking about the mechanics, then I also think about the controls at the same time, of course.
I must know the controls before I even can decide if a mechanic would fit or not.

>>175169585
>Modifyers only make sense with at least 4 buttons.
How so?
>And what does this have to do with this?
Everything. What will making 6 buttons available instead of 3 change? You're still in a position where you don't have any unique mechanics to map to those 6 buttons. Meanwhile if you think about the mechanics and their interaction first you can then decide on how many buttons you need by thinking how to implement them.

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>>175169585
>I must know the controls before I even can decide if a mechanic would fit or not

Prototype. No amount of pen and paper design is going to tell you if you enjoy the mechanics you are thinking up the same way as getting you hands on it (unless your design is a 1:1 of pre-existing).
Bang out a box and circle prototype in an afternoon or over the course of 2-3 days. Repeat this process with different mechanics until you find one you can actually commit your heart to. Use different control layouts/allowances in each prototype to see what feels nice and what feels obtuse. Ignore the aesthetic for now and just have fun first and foremost. (It will come in time I am sure.

>>175118201
Not even hiding it anymore.

why is kraut such a potty mouth

>>175170052
>How so?
If you have A button for main shot for example, B button for bomb, and C button as a modifyer/shift button, then it would make any sense.

You need main shot basically always right on your finger tips, and bomb also. It just wouldn't fit, except for a very rare kind of game perhaps.

>Meanwhile if you think about the mechanics and their interaction first
I am thinking about the mechanics and their interactions. But I also have to think about the controls. making a game is not as simple as you seem to think.

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>>175169126
>musicians also can copy much more subtle than video game devs
Copying music can only be subtle for those who are musically illiterate. Popular music of the last 80 or so years has brought literally **nothing** new composition-wise. And by 'popular' I don't mean 'mtv-grade popular' but 'anything more down-to-earth than avant-garde-jazz-level hipster shit'. Does it make all this music garbage? Of course not.

It's stupid to blindly pander to your ambitions by pursuing originality unless you are actually really fucking talented in this. It is much better and more efficient to polish and reinterpret the legacy.

>>175170193
>No amount of pen and paper design is going to tell you if you enjoy the mechanics
Ever heard of a thing called imagination? I do not have to prototype. Prototypes are mainly just for teams of people to show others what exactly you are thinking of.

>>175170719
>It's stupid to blindly pander to your ambitions
No, fucktard, it is stupid to be satisfied with poor rip-offs, just because some shitty american movie makers or whatever did the same.

>>175170701
That's only if you're making a game with bombs that are a finite resource. I'm talking about a game you'd make from the ground up. Also I've made a bunch of short games already, I know exactly what the process entails. This button talk is just hypothetical crap though, everything discussed depends completely on the type of mechanics you have in mind. If you want to make a game that uses the typical shot/focus/bomb combination then 3 buttons will be limiting, if you're making something with a unique set of mechanics then they don't have to be.

>>175171074
Of course it is stupid to be satisfied with poor rip-offs, dummy. However it is perfectly fine to be satisfied with ingenious reinterpretations. Motherfucker, do you even dig art?

>>175167321
>Satazius is also not a good game compared to really good shmups. It's crap compared to Gradius.
This is bullshit, both djincompetant and myself have commented on how it's actually better in many ways and that's coming from a gradius fanboy so fuck off.

>>175170531
>why is kraut such a potty mouth
Because he spends his time cosplaying as an actual potty in the hopes children sit on his face,

>>175171120
>That's only if you're making a game with bombs that are a finite resource
Complete bullshit. It never makes sense, no matter if bombs of finite resource, or pulling a dildo out of your ass.

3 buttons is the absolute minimum for games. It would absolutely make no fucking sense to have a modifyer button there. Modifyer buttons are basically only there, if you use more buttons than a standart controller has. It is for games which were originally on PC and got ported to consoles. Not for fucking 3 button games.

>everything discussed depends completely on the type of mechanics
No shit. That's exactly what I am trying to tell you here. It depends on the game how many buttons you need. Just because you need more than 3 buttons, doesn't mean you want 24 mechanics or whatever.

>>175170895
That is not what prototyping is for. It is to check if design ideas are viable and fun and worth pursuing. Prototypes are great for getting a team on the same page but the actual function is to check if you are wasting your time with a design and need to do a rewrite/redesign or if you are good to march forward and refine/polish the mechanic.

Just because something sounds fun in your head doesn't mean it is actually fun in practice. Imagination has nothing to do with it and prototyping is staple among solo devs just as much as teams for this reason.