/wowsg/ - World of Warships General

>>174912102

Doesn't the frontal placement of the turrets make that a bit riskt?

BBS ARE OP FUCKING NERF THEM FUCK YOU AND YOUR STUPID DELETING BULLSHIT

whats a good tier to chill and learn the game at for a newbie?
Im enjoying the japenese cruisers right now, the tier 4 has been good to me

>>174912459
t. sailed broadside on in a straight line in front of a BB

>>174912459
Use WASD.

>>174912113
>no link to previous thread
Shit OP

>>174912752
Tier 6.

>>174912752
T4 is a good place to get some lines to and get a bit of experience, you start to get the basic mechanics of the game all in place but the MM isn't so punishing (like it is for T5/6). T7 is another good one if you can get there in order to have a good mix of relatively good gameplay not punishing MM.

>>174912113
You forgot my clan
[ZEON] - F22xRaptor

>>174912772
>>174912786
No, fuck you. I shouldn't have to be insta removed from a match just for fucking up once. I see fucking baBBies fuck up constantly, even beaching themselves because they're not paying attention, meanwhile they're fine, why should I have to put up with it but not them?

>>174912752
Go German BB's.

With each new cruiser line you'll be having loads of targets to shoot at and the grind actually progresses quite quickly because of so many floating citadels sailing about.

It's what I did when the Brits came out.

>>174913350
>Encouraging BBs
Fuck off, you're part of the cancer killing this game

>Getting slaughtered in the Dunkerque

This was a mistake.

>>174913564
what makes BBs so bad?
are they like td's in WoT?

>>174913564
What?

>>174913704
just get a div, with your powers combined you will be able to get slaughtered together

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>>174913704
Okay here's how the Dunkerque works.
>1. Your nose is almost nigh impenetrable, much like the jews, you must use it to our strength, so FACE YOUR ENEMY HEAD ON.
>2. See your premium camo? See that gray shit on the sides? It might as well say "Visit France 1940. Aim here for easy entry.", do NOT get hit from the side
>3. Position yourself around the map to -force- your enemies to fight you from head on, don't give them any options to flank you or get your sides
>4. You are meant to hunt smaller ships, not other battleships. From my experience alone, your AP is only really going to have a great effect on other battleships if...
>A. they're giving full broadside, you're close, you land all shots, and they hit.
>B. They're IJN >>FAST<< Battleships, Kongo, Fuso, at Nagato you need to drop the notion of confronting it.
Take it from someone who's done a ton of matches in the thing, so much that it was my main work horse up to the Missouri. Dunkerque is a good ship, she just has an odd playstyle.

>>174913776
They're the class that's consistently strong at the expense of the others. They punish mistakes really hard while not being punished much for mistakes themselves.

>>174914404
>Commit the cardinal sin of turning my ship
>Skill wall
>Commit the cardinal sin of being a BB
>HE cancer
>1/4 (or 1/3) of the ship setting on fire immediately after putting out a fire just because an HE round scraped the top of an antenna

>>174914273
So, load HE?

>>174914632
That can happen to literally any class. They just don't get to heal most of it back.

>>174913776
They are TD and Heavy combined together, with SPG but not many accept that last part. They have a ton of HP, a magic healing potion that regenerates some HP and can fire across the map at other targets.

Cruisers in WoWS right now really just exist to be fed to other ships.

CV's are meh at best, too much RNG involved to have them be satisfying in my opinion.

DD's and CV's are meant to be the counter to BB's but have been nerfed or changed due to the crying of Battleships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXX8URSUWm0

>>174914273
>That design

Why though?

>>174914694
>load HE
This, I also forgot to mention this. Their HE is great, even better if you have demolition expert, and some flags to help it. You'll start the french infernos.

>>174914898
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0gzQS4w1sc

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>>174913564
Only by giving WG the statistics can you help them balance the game.

Play the most OP shit at all times, either Wg balances it and you win, or it remains OP and you win.

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>>174914767
>CV's are meh at best
>This coming off of the age of everyone screaming CV air cancer
>Even to the point that firebombing DDs could legit get rid of them if they didn't wiggle their tush~
>crying of battleships
>doesn't know that battleship maneuverability was nerfed because of crying of DDs
So how many matches have you played where simply turning where a DD was never spotted was the end of you?

>>174915006
Before you go my French brother, you'll be needing two things.
>https://woeramods.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/atsf-aka-eurobeat-dunkerque/
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPiaJc3hjco
Now go my French brother. Kill.

>>174913316
Because you don't know how to play your class.

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>>174915393
>Weebshit

>>174915523
The skin fits with the French nationalism level of slapping a fucking flag on your turret

>>174913316
>just for fucking up once
Just for doing the worst possible thing you can do.
>I should be able to do anything I want and never get punished

>>174915393
>Visit France 1940

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>Watching and hearing the sound of whoretel AP shells bouncing off your armored flight deck.

>>174915846
>Baquette.
>Wine.
>Fromage.

>>174915774
>Using your rudder is the worst thing you can do
Yeah, and then people complain about the reverse meta.

kys baDDie

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>Watching and hearing the sound of Lovely Hotel AP shells penetrating a CVnt in the citpucci. Multiple times.

>>174915936
>don't use rudder
>sail in a straight line broadside on
>get deleted
>wahh why are people allowed to shoot me
It isn't hard to not get deleted.

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>>174915226
>Going off on your own as a BB instead of moving with the fleet, or even one other person who leads the way.
You should try playing as if teamplay was a thing instead of going solo.

That said, to answer the question properly: I really haven't had that happen as a result of turning. Going in straight lines and not turning tends to be what causes getting hit by those torps from a DD that was never spotted
But simply moving with other players typically leads to them spotting torps before they get to you and so you have time to accommodate.

And I mostly play Steel Ocean

>>174916153
>Going off on your own as a BB instead of moving with the fleet, or even one other person who leads the way.
Nice, but I never said I was doing that, and in fact I never do. I learned pretty early on that you're not meant to do that. I'm just saying, I've had numerous matches where simply turning was enough to set me up for a DD skill wall, and I just don't have enough maneuverability to avoid anything.
DDs can avoid it
CAs/CLs can avoid it
CVs don't have to avoid it because they're on vacation
I just eat shit because I know unless I'm lucky I'm fucked.

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>hey anon play DD's

>USA makes good bullies on points with fast guns
>shit at long range firing though
>good at the DD role

>german are like cruiser destroyers with their bigger guns and better torps
>also good anti DD with hydro

>meanwhile we have the IJN DD's which sit at max distance and hope people are actually retarded and stay in straight lines to get hit by their torpedoes

>and we have the VMF DD's which are just pocket cruisers with 130mm that can't actually perform the DD or cruiser role at all, you should have just played a cruiser m8

>Oh boy anon that sounds like there's 2 good lines of destroyers and 2 lines that are niche at best but hows the meta

>Oh well anon let's see here
>torpedoes got nerfed
>CV aircraft spot you
>Catapult aircraft spot you
>everything has fucking hydro
>smokes get torped to fuck so good bye smoke and fire tactics
>tier 4 captain skill tells people where the DD's are (good luck flanking ever)
>radar absolutely fucks you
>your gun bloom is beyond insanity making you perma invisible for longer than any other ship type meaning if you fire those guns you better be all in or ready to pop smoke or speed to run away because every gun on the enemy team is going to be locked onto you
>does that sound fun anon?
>I think I'll try cruisers instead
>laughingbattleships.webm
>maybe carriers then
>laughingSaipans.webm
>Uhh...I guess battleships
>There, now you're playing world of battleships. Enjoy your stay))))))))

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>>174915523
Good moaning.

>>174915393
This is not a roleplay thread

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>>174916515
>CV aircraft spot you
Concealment expert, turn off your AA you mongoloid.
>Catapult aircraft spot you
Concealment expert, turn off your AA you mongoloid.
>everything has fucking hydro
Oh man now they can see the torps coming when it's too late for them to dodge. The only thing with bad hydro was the Bismarck and it got nerfed
>smokes get torped to fuck so good bye smoke and fire tactics
Smoke is literally a giant sign saying "There is a ship in this pocket but you can't tell, SHOOT HERE TO TAKE YOUR CHANCES!"
>radar absolutely fucks you
I literally just answered this it's the same goddamn reason. You can find fucking replays on youtube where someone pops radar, and the DD is stupid enough to just be sitting still thinking no repercussions will come of it

I play primarily American DDs and just finished my grind on the Benson a few days ago. Learn to use your fucking brain.

I FUCKING HATE BATTLESHIPS.

THEY ALWAYS DELETE ME WHEN I PLAY CRUISERS

NERF BATTLESHIPS WHEN?

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I'm actually quite astonished about all the complains about DDs, when as a whole they're one of the strongest classes and very capable of carrying a game.

Yes, IJN DDs have been nerfed, and they need some work, but the nerfs were necessary and warranted. They promoted lazy, unskilled and unfun gameplay.
The other 3 DD trees are still very good and very fun, each one providing distinctly different gameplay that uses a mix of gun, torpedo and concealment-mindgames gameplay.

Why is the Fletcher such a comfy boat.

>>174917426
git gud

>>174917689
Because it's stronger than every tier 10 DD except maybe the Khaba. With the stealthfire changes knifefighting became more dangerous for Gearing, and it was always a slight step down to begin with. The only way Fletcher could be more overpowered is if they gave it radar.

>>174914273
>Your nose is almost nigh impenetrable,

>Fuso
>Fast
The words of a shitter

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>>174914273
>Your nose is almost nigh impenetrable

>>174917689
>DDs are scissors
>BBs are rock
>CAs/CLs are paper
>CVs are mushrooms
>CAs/CLs HE beats rock
>DDs beats CAs/CLs
>DDs also happen to beat BBs
>Until BBs hit high tier at which point BB become an unstoppable killing machine, and then also beats CAs/CLs
>And would beat DDs, but it can't find DDs are invisible.
>So DDs beat CAs/CLs and avoid BBs, and that is called balance

>>174918518
fug, meant to respond to
>>174914767

I just realised something.

Does this game have spotting damage?

>>174918143
A fully upgraded Fuso goes 24.5 knots, and Nagato goes just over 25. Does that make Fuso a fast battleship or Nagato a slow one? What is the speed cutoff for a fast battleship?

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>>174918143
>>174918415
what do you expect he's that one cuckold from OTTER

>>174918815
Yes.
The rewards are kind of shit though.

>>174918962
It does make me question why there isn't a counter for it like in WoT.

It's weird, on some ways this game does stuff better than WoT, and in others it's vice versa.

>>174918143
Okay correction, her armor isn't thick enough to take Dunks rounds if you play her right.
>>174918885
No idea what OTTER is but keep up the good ol /wowsg/ random witch hunt accusations.

>>174919069
They just haven't put it in like they have with regular damage. You can still check it at the end of the game though.

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>>174919072
I'm sorry that I don't remember your name you OTTER furfaghomo, but tbqh I don't care. you're lies about dunikirk end now you stupid ape

Should I even bother getting into CVs

>>174918143
Friendly reminder that Warspite is a 'fast' battleship

>>174918518

t. cruiser shitter

>>174914767
Cruisers are pretty good if you can read the map, wasd fasd and kite the enemy to shit.
They're basically a mix between light tanks and glass cannon tank destroyers.

How the fuck do I play Pensacola.
>Citadeled at any angle
>Guns feel like pee shooters that cant hurt whats killing you
>Shit range in comparison to shit detection

>>174919328
Are you going to buy Saipan? If not, then no.

>>174920023
The guns are good wtf it's the only good thing about the pepsi cola. You're just supposed to get comfy in the middle of the fleet and pound away with the cannons. You're a battleshitter babysitter. Remember to use your AP.

>>174920050
Could you explain further? Like should I practice CVs until I develop good habits/get good, -then- grab Saipan or...? I just not familiar with CVs in the slightest really.

>>174920023
>Guns feel like pee shooters
Please tell me you actually researched top guns before you wrote this phrase

Anyone know any other free premium deals?

My free 9 days from WoT expires in 3 days and just wanted to know.

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What do people think about running IFHE on mid tier Russian cruisers?

>>174912113
>General
We've truly fallen on hard times.

>>174920301
If you're going to go USN you go full fighter build and ruin the other CV's days. Prepare to get shit xp and currency for it though but you MUST be this kind of CV because balanced and strike get absolutely butterballed by AA enemy CV's and the swarms of strafing IJN fighters.

If you're going IJN you need to be Korean in your micromangement skills and know how to cross torp and strafe or you'll get fucked by every USN carrier out there.

Saipan is an OP as fuck CV that shits on everything else in it's range thanks to strafing bugs.

Here's why nobody plays CV. If you go strike some no fun allowed CV on the other team will evaporate all of your aircraft with strafe in 2 seconds. If you make it to the enemy ships your aircraft evaporate from massively overpowered battleship AA. You'll end the match with no aircraft and just be a giant metal paperweight.

If you go fighter you get to shit on other CV's but then you really can't help your team take out ships. You're going to be blamed for a loss no matter what loadout you have. If you're AA you get blamed because you're AA cancer and didn't help kill ships. If you're strike you get blamed because you didn't kill enemy aircraft and that's why your team lost.

Also there will be games where some enemy CV will sneak their 4+ airgroups of torps and bombs behind your lines and alpha strike you before the 3 minute mark probably killing you and screwing your team.

Go ahead and try it if you want. There's no strafing for fighters until Tier 6 now but once you hit that point it's the only way people engage other aircraft so you're going to have to micromanage even harder.

It's just not fun for most people.

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Sure 'nuff, there she is.

;_;7

>>174921228
apparent is still mad about getting called out so he keeps shitting up the gen

>>174921308
That...that sounds awful, like not even worth getting into kind of thing. That sounds like it's all work and no praise no matter what.

>>174921017
retarded. The whole point of the line is to set fires. The shitty152's aren't going to penetrate shit with IFHE.

>>174913316
This.
I don't understand how their shots never miss.

>>174921308
>thanks to strafing bugs.
nigga what you talking about

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>>174920023

This. >>174920217

You want to lurk at your max range in open water. Make sure you're running Steering Gears Mod 2 and have Priority Target on your captain. Pay attention to where you are in relation to enemy battleships. You are actually not that easy to citadel so long as you're paying attention to incoming fire- you are maneuverable and playing at a tier where BBs need to be fairly skilled to make long range shots.

Most problems with the Pensacola stem from playing too aggressively or too carelessly. Don't put your ship in a position where you're getting shot from BBs at different angles- you play in open water to give yourself freedom to maneuver, and exploit enemy ranges so that you minimize the number of ships that can fire back at you.

You actually do have a good damage output with both HE and AP- now is the time to start learning to land long range fire. Maneuver to mitigate incoming fire- you have a 15s reload so you can trade two salvos for one incoming salvo against all BBs except Scharnhorst. Dodge fire, turn to return fire twice, get ready to dodge next incoming salvo. If you're taking fire from multiple angles you should just run.

>he never played the Pensacola when concealment was higher than main battery range

>>174921773
Is this bait?

>>174921729
Saipan, because it has 3 fighters per group can strafe out of combat without losing an aircraft unlike every other CV fighter group which does lose an aircraft when they do this. Basically Saipan has unlimited get out of jail free cards as long as it has ammo.

>>174921939
Are you fucking retarded

>>174921939
That's not a bug.
That's supposed to be like that.

>>174921650
Nice bait

>>174921572
Yup. That's why you only see CV's maybe 1/10 games. The entire class is garbage.

There's easy fixes but CV's are low on wargaming's list of priorities. They could easily just make CV's only have different kinds of strike loadouts and have the fighters be AI attached to the strike aircraft. The fighters could automatically engage nearby enemy aircraft. Different loadouts would have different amounts of fighters. It would mean fighters would not be controllable by the CV so CV's would be more focused on strike and AA cancer would be dead along with strafe cancer.

It's such an obvious an easy to implement fix too.

>>174921650
>The shitty152's aren't going to penetrate shit with IFHE.

That's wrong though. 152mm rounds down on penetration and so doesn't pen 25mm of armor. IFHE allows you to penetrate 33mm of armor, which is all BB bow and stern armor from T6-T10, and deck armor on T6-T10 American, and T7-T9 IJN BBs.

>>174921650
retard alert

>>174921371
What am I supposed to be looking at?

>>174918815
It's barely worth a shit since everything is visible once it shoots.

>>174921804

Why would you think that's bait?

>>174922572
>>174922509
>>174922415

This is odd. I've heard exactly the opposite from lots of people saying the additional damage from IFHE does not outweigh the loss of fire chance.

I mean you get a little more raw damage but if you're setting fires constantly doesn't that do more damage in the end?

Doesn't that work a lot better with a nation that has a lower natural fire chance? Just seems to be taking the best part of VMF cruisers and nerfing it for almost no reason.

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>>174922681
Only the purest, most chaste woman on the planet.

>>174923059
You get a significant amount more shell damage and only a few less fires. You rely much less on RNG.

>>174923136
Oh I see it now.

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>>174923059
>loss of fire chance.
what loss :^)

>>174923059
>Just seems to be taking the best part of VMF cruisers and nerfing it for almost no reason.

It comes down to how you want to kill people. IFHE requires you to stay on one target and just keep hitting it through the deck armor. If you're a demo VMF captain then you set fires and change targets as much as possible since your HE when not setting fires is pretty subpar.

I prefer playing demo racking up the fire ribbons but some people prefer getting top down HE penetrations for bigger immediate numbers.

>>174918815
it does have spotting damage, but it is just this side of worthless rewards wise. And really it seems very difficult to tell who gets credit for spotting at times.

Fire damage can be healed off almost if not completely.

The direct HE shell damage can't.

>>174923710
Is it 2 fires that completely negate repair party? I like spreading fires then waiting for the battleship to pop damage control then repair, then set him on fire again and watch his hp not go up at all.

>>174923710
Well, winning doesn't matter, getting damage does

>>174923873
If you don't use anything to prevent fire, one fire negate one heal.

>>174924059
tru, tru.

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>>174924059

>>174924258
u got some stones on yer

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>Z-23
>Hydro meme a Fletcher and two Speedsluts to death in one charge

>>174923295
Fuck off Cum_in_my_mouth_Chomp

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>>174924748
ok now that's reaching

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>>174924748
no

What tier will Graf be?

On one side, it is a pretty crap CV with next to no hangar capacity for it's size. On the other it is giant and has extensive secondary armament.

If that make it high tier, they'll either save to make German planes god-tier or give it Bismarck secondaries.

>>174925297
Let's be honest here, it's WG
Tier 8, $60, do both

>>174914737
Except BB's are huge, slow, and the healing can be negated by more damage.

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Did I do good?

>>174925662
Ha, no.

>>174925625
Which means that even mid tier BBs can tank 80-90k damage in a game without a problem, meanwhile cruisers get hit with 2 shells and they're lost almost their entire health bar with no way to get it back.

>>174925740
Wiggle your tush

>>174925870
When all it takes is a few shells eventually your luck runs out, you can't dodge 100% of shells.

>>174925662
Jesus christ, has anyone got anything useful since when those fucking upgrades were added?
I used to get 10-20 million credit crates frequently, now i can't remember the last time i have got a supercontainer, probably 3-4 months ago.
By the way, i used to take the "try my luck" one whereas now i'm getting consumables to cut down premium repair party costs.

>>174925961
No but you can still dodge a significant portion.

>>174925961
Now imagine that except from multiple different sources, you can't dodge, you're on fire, and you can maybe build back some health but really just the damage the fire did, not what shells knock you down to.

>>174926189
>not what shells knock you down to.
You can heal some of that damage. Not enough to be worth mentioning usually, but still some.

>>174926113
You can't always dodge if the enemy team is decently positioned.
Anyway, all the cruisers starting from tier 8 should get heal.

>>174926113
Yeah, that's not hard. The problem is that you might only get hit by a few shells out of hundreds in a match, but those few shells can almost kill you by themselves if the BB is lucky.

>>174926189
I don't have to imagine, with thousands of games in BBs, and an awful lot of Dreadnoughts. If you don't think BBs have better survivability than Cruisers then I don't know what game you've been playing.

>>174926359
but then how will we selling more atago?(((((((

>>174926241
Yeah, good on you for pointing it out. There seems to be some misconception that BBs can just get back to full health over the course of a match if they don't take damage, which isn't the case. I've had plenty of matches where my heal couldn't pull me higher than 40%

>>174926410
Atago sells because of a very good combination of concealment, speed, forward torpedoes and flamethrower guns.
Which reminds me i shouldn't have been neglecting mine for all this time.
Anyway, to make up for a general tier 8 cruiser heal update they could give Atago her historical AA setup with triple mounts :^)

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>>174926665
Dont forget the other reason

>>174926792
penis?

>>174926469
Because people don't understand how the heal mechanics work. If you're getting good use out of your armor and minimizing how much AP/Cit damage you're taking, and not eating a bunch of torps, then 100% of the fire damage and most of the HE damage can be healed up, and it's that damage that makes up most of the 'spam' that you'll get hit by.
Getting full use out of all 5 heals means that you can tank a ridiculous amount of damage.

did they fix planes being able to see through mountains and radar being able to see through mountains?

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>>174926407
>thousands of games in BBs, and an awful lot of Dreadnoughts
Then you know what it's like to be in a game where you -should- have died, but you clawed your way up. Of course BBs have better survivability, but what you said is indicative of a -good- BB player. BBs focus on tanking damage, they're the big thing people like to shoot at and lob torps at. The main problem is a lot of idiots think BBs are basically rambo in boat form, which isn't the case. Point is BB gameplay rewards good aim, patience, and supporting the team (if the BB player isn't an idiot). However on the flip side cruisers just play differently, they can die easier, yes but you also need to look at how easy it is to get damage on some of these things.

BBs focus on AP, for most they -need- to, otherwise their damage output is borderline negligible.They have 20 to 35 second reloads depending on the ship, which gives plenty of opportunity for a target to escape or be lost. On top of that toss in some RNG, and what people complain about is the times the RNG -works- for the BB, not the dozens of other times that a full salvo hits something and plonks for 2k out of 40k, or basically just scrapes the side of the ship. On the flip side with a cruiser, HE is actually really easy to start getting damage, it's a simple tactic. You start a fire, maybe 2 for good measure, from there stalk the BB and avoid its fire (don't show broadside, wiggle, etc.), and as soon as you see that they put out the fires using their DCP, give them about ten seconds, then start letting the shells fly again, and bam, roughly 40 to 60 seconds of just more fire damage, possibly longer if you can sustain it, and it's completely based off of chance. BBs -have- to aim, HE spammers just need to hit.

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>>174926995
The buyer's penis, yes.

>>174927193
>fix

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>>174927193
you are funny little man

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>French BB line still not released

>>174927238
To add onto this, I ran a match last night with an Aurora and doubled my health in damage just from HE alone, because I can just spam it, as soon as someone puts out the fire I can just start another one and they -have- to sit there and just accept it.

>>174927296
>>174927387
>its not a glitch that planes can see through solid objects or Radar picking up DD's on the other side of a mountain

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>>174927536

>>174927387
>>174927246
I want to stick my penis in Atago tits while she spoils me like a little child.

>>174927536
>It's a glitch when my subjective opinion of how something should work conflicts with its published specification
ok kiddo

>>174927835
>its a subjective opinion to think that planes should not be able to see through solid objects.

>>174927934
>It's an objective opinion that there is only a single reasonable way to abstract any given behaviour

>>174927934
Yes, literally yes.

>its acceptable to think that humans should be able to see through objects
did WWII vets have super man xray vision?

>>174927536
It's not, it's working as intended.
It's just that the intended way is retarded.

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>>174928123
No. They were telepathic.

>>174928123
>It's acceptable to insist upon absolute accuracy to real life in a slav-made F2P shooty-scooty diversion
Did you escape from /simg/?

>its totally reasonable to think that people should be able to see through walls

>>174928631
There's a difference between thinking it's reasonable and thinking it's a glitch.
Shitty design isn't a glitch.

CAN WE STOP THE AUTISM ARGUMENT?

>>174928751
well its fucking broken so they should fucking fix it

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>Shoot at a Mino in my room
>5 citadels
>He smokes up
>Shoot at gun flashes in smoke
>Another cit
>Shoot again
>7th cit
>Get deleted by enemy Montana
>Mfw

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>>174928872
No

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Is this a good build for a Missouri captain?

>>174928931
>Mino in my room
???

>>174929549
>No AR
>No Superintendent
shit nigger what are you doing

>>174929670
roon

>>174929549
Nope
You absolutely need SI and AR is too good to give up too.
Drop FP, JoAT and HA, and get those two.

>>174929904
With that I've got seven skill points left, should I grab basic and advanced firing training?

>>174926665
meantime nobody plays takao

>>174930584
Takao "The Cow" is inferior to Atago.

>>174930584
Takao is fucking amazing I don't know why people don't use it. Fucking mogami a shit

>>174930479
desu I wasn't paying attention to if you hadn't used all 19 points yet, but yeah, AFT is good, you could stick with going FP after your other stuff too if you wanted. The T3s are generally your choice as well, BFT and vigi both work well.

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>>174930867
>Not knowing the joys of IFHE Mogami

I pity the fool

>>174930997
Shit, vigilance actually sounds pretty good, though I'm not too sure if it'd be worth it. Missouri can barely dodge torpedoes, not sure if extra acquisition would help at all, seems it'd just be letting me know I'm going to die sooner.

On the flip side I passed up the maneuverability upgrade for her. I felt like DCM 2 was a bit more useful, given the role she plays.

>>174929549
>US BB
>Anything but PM, EM, AR, BFT, SI, AFT, & CE

>>174931496
She can dodge torps decently well if they're not at a bad angle and she gets decent warning of them, since she's so slender. But yeah, without the rudder mod you're going to have a tough time.
Given that she does tend to play a little more passively, going full AA with AFT/BFT might be the better option to dampen potential strikes against you, though I guess similarly FP would help when you're just stuck being bown on and just tanking hits.
It's pretty much down to how much you hate planes really.

>>174931775
Do you think I should drop DCM 2 and grab the rudder shift?

>>174934825
They both work desu, it really is just personal preference whether you want the more responsive rudder or not. If you do tend to find that you're sitting back a little and not having much issue with torps then you probably are best just sticking with it. I prefer rudder myself.

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What's going to happen to the Hood? Will it get buffed? CCs seem to be all over the place with it.

>>174936427

>CCs seem to be all over the place with it.

Because most of them are retards that want every premium to be tippy top of the meta when it's released.

Thus, powercreep.

whats the standard cookie cutter america BB captain build? also who here for t5?

>>174936427
thicc

>>174938689
I do concealment and AA damage/range

American BB's have unusually low concealment the NC and Iowa can have detection ranges as low as 12.5km, you can literally sneak up on cruisers and nail them for max damage

Is there any video guide on how to fire over islands the not idiot way

>>174938985
You basically pick a ship like a Benson or Atlanta that has a huge fucking arch to it. HE spamming DD's and cruisers are ez. Most other BB's can't fucking touch you unless they try to snipe from 20km but you easily see that coming

>>174938762
that makes sense, i guess i'll go for that


anyone else wanna chime in?

>>174939457
I'll take a pic of my iowa captain

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>>174939457
I think I might redo this capitan for more AA. Although the AA is really good where its at I might take away the Manual AA 4 point skill and get the T3 skill that gives 20% to range instead. That or I'll take away the 25% to torpedo detection range for that skill instead not sure

Definitely do the conealment though, you NEED that

>>174939457
Not really, I use the same as him: PT, EM, BFT, CE then whatever the "shoot faster as you die" skill is on the second pass. Not sure if I'll get SI or AFT next. Or manual AA.

How hard/easy is it to get high point captains
most of my captains only have 10 points

>>174940084
not hard, use the flags that give massive captain XP buffs

>>174938762
desu, I've been thinking of going PM, AR, BFT, AFT, CE, and Manual Secondaries. With just BFT and AFT you already have 100 AA rating with insane range, having manual AA wont really help being focused by a carrier. Plus, you have 7.2km secondaries, might as well make use of them.

>>174938689
I could T5 in bauggetts when I get home in about 40 minutes

>>174940193
I wish it didn't cost dubloons to do respecs otherwise I'd agree I like that set up more

>>174940225
ok, keep this post inmind thetermnater

>>174940260
oh wait I just noticed I can do a respec for 140k captain points

is that a good idea?

>>174940084
Don't do what I did and get a new Captain every boat until T6. I have a bunch of leftover 6-10 point captains and nobody near 19 points

>>174939820
>>174940114
>>174940193
if i max 1 captain, can i move him from BB to BB as i move up the ranks?

>>174940362
I made that mistake a lot early on. Back in beta I didn't see that you could reuse captains so every captain up till the wyoming I made a new one which sucked because I missed out on alot

>>174940421
Yes

>>174940421
Yeah, you'll have to retrain him witch means you'll either pay gold or spend a bit of time grinding out an amount of captain XP with no skills before he's fully retrained

>>174940640
wait so i can't just carry over his points from ship to ship?

>>174940193
>no SI

>>174940713
yeah, he'll stay as a say, 10pt captain with all the skills he had before, but you might have to grind out some captain XP with him before his skills are working on the new ship again, unless you pay gold and just have it done instantly

>>174940792
Any skill that just has a straight effect like priority target wont work, but if its a percentage or number bonus its halved.

>>174921939
>devnotes literally states Saipan gets this exception in fucking black and white
>anon claims it's a bug

how dumb can one person be

>>174940792
>>174940889
oh ok, so the skills aren't 100% active on new ship just takes less time to get there yea?

>>174941232
The game explicitly tells you this.

>>174941232
yeah, pretty much
it's a better idea than just training up a new captain all the time, especially for the higher tiers.

FUCKING BABBIES GODDAMN I'M TIER 8 THERE'S NO REASON AN AMAGI SHOULD SHAVE OFF 80% OF MY FUCKING HEALTH WITH A SINGLE SALVO

:^) someone link a picture of american BB captain skills

im retarded and lazy so i don't want to try to match the slang letter names to what it is in game

>>174942256
why were you broadsided?

>>174942375
I was trying to dodge torps

>>174942493
Were you broadside?

>>174942493
then that means you were over extended

>>174942493
Then clearly we need to nerf torpedoes again.

>>174942371
pls help i need BB guide ;_;

>>174942641
see >>174940193
and >>174939820
for good american BB set ups

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>>174942641
What BB you running? Like which one specifically?

>>174942794
new york right now, then just going straight down the line

>>174942903
>playing new york in 2017

>>174942964
>meme arrows
i just started a couple days ago

>>174942964
>>174942794
pls

;_;

>>174942903
If you want you can play the long game, and start training your captain for the Iowa or Montana, taking skills with those in mind.

Though the difficult thing about that is that higher tier American ships play way differently than lower tier. At higher tier your Iowa is gonna get her cervix busted open if you even slightly fuck up.


Speaking of which does anyone know when WG is finally going to fix the citadel placement? I remember they said they would, but I haven't heard any word of it as of late.

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>>174943437

Standard American BB guide;

Preventative Maintenance.

Expert Marksman.

Superintendent.

Either Advanced Firing Training, or Concealment Expert. Whichever one you don't get the first time around, grab the second.

After this it's basically up to your preference. Manual Secondaries might be fun but up to Tier VII most USN BBs are too slow to use them well. After that they're faster but Wargaming gimped USN secondaries. If you want to chase your dreams though, go for it, Montana gets improved secondaries.

I hope this helps you anon.

Why would anyone play new york when arkansas beta is a better ship with better MM

>>174943972
ty friendo

i didn't know the shorthand for each skill and noo one was saying the full names

>>174944050
>Why would anyone play new york when arkansas beta is a better ship
The dude said he started just a couple days ago.

Unless I'm an idiot I'm pretty sure there's no way to get that thing at this point.

>>174944050
the fuck is an arkansas? is it american BB? i don't see it

>>174944050
Because only people who played the beta have Arkansas? And some people sold Arkansas.

>>174944060

No problem, happy to have helped.

>>174943972
why PM instead of PT?
I take PT on everything. It just seems like nice information to have

>>174944187
>>174944207
i can buy an Atlanta for that paypal special

>>174943972
>preventative maintenance instead literally anything else
What the fuck is going to get broken, your engine?

>>174944479
well then what do you suggest mate

i suspect i'll be in 5-8 american BB for a while so whats a build for those ones

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>>174944439
Arkansas not Atlanta you illiterate fuck

>>174944426
>>174944479


As a BB usually you're going to have a lot of people gunning for you anyway, and it's better to keep your turrets/secondaries up instead of losing them to the constant rain of fire.

I haven't really used Priority Target much on BBs, thought it was mostly good for CAs and DDs. If you guys have good results with it though, that's useful and thanks for saying so.

>>174944698
:^) i can read was just saying what was special i had

>>174944720
but PM only protects against "damaged" not "destroyed"
Secondaries and AA only have "alive" and "destroyed"
That's why I dropped PM for PT

>>174943972
>http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000100000000010000010001000100119
I run this on my American BBs Tiers 8-10.

>>174944915

I usually run it, then swap out the main battery survivability upgrade for the one that makes AA and secondaries less likely to be destroyed.

As a BB I don't usually have my main turrets destroyed anyway unless I'm playing Dunkerque

do premium ships let you convert xp for free ? (no cost) or do you still need to pay

>>174944720
cringe
>>174945034
ew

@the new guy just do this >>174943972
but change preventative maintenance to plane (direction centre for catapault aircraft) and get concealment expert before AFT

>>174945105

You still need to pay. They're good for making credits though.

>>174945105
No, it's like any other ship you have all the modules and next ship researched for
What they are usually used for are getting more credits and getting XP for the captain you put on them

>>174945187
wait if i get the plane point on my new york, do i get a scouting plane?

>>174945542
No you don't. It doesn't matter though, PM is literally useless

>>174945609
lmao k

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>When you raid Baltimore's big flat ass

>>174946638
OMG is that u Tioga?

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>>174945187
>Not running a secondary build on American BBs
You already get an AA buff with it and you don't even get CVs every game. You know what you do get every game? Surface ships. Having that secondary buff is added DPS and it helps.
I would like fire prevention though.

>>174946638
>16min
>62k damage

>>174947263
>bottom tier on Tears in a cruiser

>>174946696
Not enough anime grills in the pic, it not him.

>>174946638
what the fuck is that retarded resolution

what premium ships do you guys suggest?

>>174947396
>Not using meme resolution

When the fuck are they gonna finally give tier 8 cruisers heals?

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>>174947396
>being poor
>being from 2010

>>174947430
Belfast or scharnhorst

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I can't understand Grozovoy(Thunderbolt(?)): she can't into torpedo stealth gameplay and also she is not leader.

It's all about two chairs, Thunder without tactic and strategic in match.

>>174947430
Gremyashchy, Nikolai and Kamikaze
:^)

>>174947683
>give t8 cruisers heal
>atago loses part of what makes her special
>WG loses money
Lol

>It's another all the divs are on one team episode
I thought they were supposed to be balanced.

>>174947683
As soon as the HE fire mechanics get fixed.

>>174949794
Give it a buff and it'll sell more, on top of other t8 premium cruiser sales going up as well.

>>174947307
>excuses

>>174947430

>Duca D'Acosta
>Arizona
>Warspite
>Sims
>Belfast
>Scharnhorst
>Mikhail Kutuzov
>Tirpitz
>Atago
>Missouri

Those are good ones that are in the store right now. Pick one that will train a captain for the line you're grinding down.

>>174950838
What's so good about the pizzabote?

don't give them money, don't feed the pig

>>174950912
fasd

>>174950962
how does goin fas make it good

can someone with the Hakuryu post a screenshot of the port view with the "Wakusei" equipped, please? I can't find a single image of it anywhere, not even a sketch of a blueprint concept for it. I really just want to see how it looks in-game, but I rarely get in tier X matches and I obviously can't see the upgraded aircraft in the port preview.

I'm not a historical autist who gets triggered by concept designs in games that never got built IRL, but I really want to see what WG's Wakusei looks like.

>>174951070
>>174950912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCiDuy4mrWU

>>174951391
why don't you play on the test server

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I normally play BBs, what's so good about the Warspite and why should I buy it?

>>174952743
you shouldn't its garbage.

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>>174952743
There is nothing good about the Warspite. It's shit and you should buy the Arizona instead.

>>174952865
>>174952851
But muh service record

>>174952896
this lol

why would I want a ship that sank in port

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>>174952896
>be RN
>explode

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>>174952865
>tfw already have the Arizona
Feels good, you guys saved me $30

>>174953049
To be fair most of the US pacific fleet sank in port too. Though for a different reason

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>>174953126
I guess if you REALLY love BBs you can buy the Dunkerque

>>174953284
Already have it

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>>174953354
Warspite pros:
>looks nice
Warspite cons:
>it's shit

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>tfw its an 11% WR even with a 3 man div sort of day

>>174947430
Any Tier 8 premium, even your highest non premium ship is tier 4.

How do I get better at this game? I've been playing for 9 months, I have little over 1,300 matches, and I'd like to think I generally know how to play the game, but I just feel like I'm bad at the game. My WR is below average, my damage is usually pretty low, I feel like no matter how hard I try at this game I can't improve.

>inb4 just div

>>174954275
Just div and observe your div mate.

>>174954378
toss me a discord link Noam Chomsky

>It's another being a Tier 8 CV in a Tier 10 game episode.

>>174954862

>stealth firing is bad
>stealth AA is okay

>>174954862
>it's another T9/10 CV against nothing but T7/8s episode

>>174950257
"""fixed"""

>>174912459
CAsual detected

>>174956081
But if he's a low tier then he would be a CLown.

>>174912752
Furutaka (t5 ijn cruiser) is one of the most enjoyable ships in the game IMO.

>>174956156
this but fly the detonation signal 100% of the time. in my experience she gets det'd more than any other ship

>>174956303
mm1

>If a new ship is slightly good, it is powercreep and shows that WG has no idea how to balance ships.
>If a new ship is remotely bad, it is a trash ship that you should never buy because WG has no idea how to balance ships.
>If a new ship is balanced, it is a dull and unoriginal bland ship and you should just save your money because WG doesn't know how to make ships interesting.
Reminder

>>174956147
True.
>>174956303
Seconded

Are premium ships you get for free still considered premium?

>>174957837
Of course

>>174957837
no

>>174957837
maybe

>>174947039
5"/38 on US BBs sucks though. 5"/54 on Montana is however pretty good, only problem being its low range of 9.1km.

Which /wowsg/ clan is the comfiest? Which /wowsg/ clan is the most skilled? Which /wowsg/ clan has the friendliest players? Which /wowsg/ clan is the most active?

http://asia.wows-numbers.com/clan/2000007500,BOTES/
http://wows-numbers.com/clan/500137580,HOTERU/
http://na.wows-numbers.com/clan/1000043440,BOTES/
http://na.wows-numbers.com/clan/1000045103,HOTEL/

>>174958652
They are all terrible.

Why is bogue so much slower than independence and zui zui

>>174958686
Anumati pls, just because we didn't sell out for [SF-3], [OPG] or [KNTAI].

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>>174958652
[ZEON]

>>174958652
Notice how both EU [HOTEL] and SEA [BOTES] refuse to kick out their sub-900 Personal Rating players, because they are women.

Almost as if they really want women to be in their little playhouse.

>>174958929
"Women"

>>174958741

[SF-3] is a subbranch of SF because of limited clan size and the fact that [SF-3] is for team 1 of competitive. If you are going to accuse others of being me at least get it right.

>>174958968
if your rating is sub 900 you are automatically a woman

>>174958929
There are no women in EU clan.

>special forces
lol semper fi bro.... so awesome...
play 1000 low tier games with a fellow autist and you can join us too, where you get micromanaged by someone whos actually good at the game in community run pro games, and you can even blame him when you lose

>>174959189
But the best woman in /wowsg/, snoozing_mako, has a rating of over 2,200!

How long will it take me to unlock shinonomeme? The only tier 8s i have are mogami and shoukaku

>>174959240

Why would anyone join OPG

>>174958929
>>174959189
Wtf why am I with such shitters, I hate EU now.

>>174959224
>he hasn't heard Iri's voice in the discord voice chat while she claps and eats potato crisps

>>174958741
don't kntai needs you to change your name in a stupid way

i wanted to join hem because kntai souhds as cunt but that stupid requirement made me change my mind, i dont want to be named destroyer_cockisucki or somethng like its members, leaving aside it costs some $$

>>174959282
That campaign is supposed to be permanent and the Shinonome's nothing to write home about, so just let it come naturally. The missions got easier for me in the later steps too.

>>174959318
> she claps and eats potato crisps

a true american

>>174959443
>not wanting to be called destroyer_cockisucki

>>174959541
You clap and eat potato crisps while on voice chat to prove that you're not using a male to female voice changer. If you do use a voice changer, the crunches from eating the potato crisps sound fake, as do the clappings.

>>174959612
>record yourself eating potato crisps and clapping
>use a mtf voice changer
wow!
so difficult!

>>174958538
That's why I run it mostly as a last line of defense. I mean, what else would I spec into? AA? Most CVs avoid American BBs and their AA is already pretty solid.

>>174959612
omfg

what about voice training?

what about using voice changer while broadcasting the sound of potato crisps and clapping that was recorded earlier?

certainly you can't be sure without a genetic test

>>174959189
>537
fuck

>>174959318
I divisioned twice with Iris_Heart and he said he was a mechanic and he sperged at random enemies.
He also told me he liked cars and had a BMW E60.

I don't know why people think he is a she.

>>174960103
Also, i forgot to mention his ridiculous claims to have gotten a 100% ingame discount for Tirpitz and a 80% for Atago, can't remember.

>>174960103
Someone from /wowsg/ yelled at shitters, STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES BEFORE HARUNA_KAI_NI SPERGS OVER IT.

Why have you started to play World of Battleships, /wowsg/?

>>174960301
>sperging at random enemies
>sperging at shitters

Can you read?

>>174960103
implying girls dont spreg at enemies

>>174959827
>certainly you can't be sure without a genetic test
It's 2017, why are you such a bigot? Science and genetics doesn't prove anything, you can self-identify of one of many different genders.

>>174960416
>implying there are german girls on /vg/ who like cars, are mechanics, get 100% discounts and play bote autism simulator

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>>174960464
i self identify as gerrman destroyer v-25

you should respect my right to torp ships for kaizer

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>>174960619
No.

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>>174960780
you are not even in the game :^)

>>174960619
Fuck off umi

>>174960936
but i am not umi

>>174960936
That isn't even umi you retarded mong

Umi posts using danbooru or pixiv filenames, he uses proper capitalization of sentences, and he generally posts destroyers. He also does f-fake s-stuttering a lot.

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for real though, i like v-25 very much but she is just t2 so it feels as pedophilia