Wargames General /wgg/

Cuckchan is fucking shit

>>174892669
>do I want a data mining site run by a scamming nip or do I want a data mining site run by a fat white guy who ran away to the Philippines
really makes one ponder

Actual tier list:

12. SS Boy Scouts
17. SS PzGren
15th Scottish
2nd Infantry
3rd Armored
91st Luftlande

>>174892873
I'd put 2nd above Scotts imo. I think I would actually rather play Luft than 3rd armored.

>>174892873
I still think you're underselling the 15 Scots.

>>174892669
It's not like the alternative is much better

>>174892873
Now that scots don't have that veterancy, they're worse than the 2nd ID

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baited
bodied

>>174893229
The veteran infantry is unnecessary if you use your stuart honeys and mmg carriers effectively. You can have a shitload of light vehicles and you have access to the AVRE. You also have a 17 pdr in a vehicle that doesn't die to artillery.

>LMGs have minimum ranges
What chucklefuck at Eugen thought this was a good idea?

>>174893656
ikr, should remove all positioning shenanigans from the game

>>174893656
It's not a bad idea desu, I get what they're trying to represent with it. They just need to re-classify the BAR as a rifle so that it's not effected.

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I like to ask this question in all the different RTS communities - how does everyone manage their micromanagement? New players especially are familiar with that moment of paralysis where you realize you need to be giving out orders but you don't know where to start, or get tunnel vision and forget about a unit, or you don't properly utilize a special ability/call-in, etc. What methods do you use to find the right balance of micro and keeping situational awareness?

>>174894723
I prioritize by economic value.
So in ferrous gonorrhea if I'm playing as the 12. I will always prioritize my tanks, and once they are doing what they should be I'll move on to my support vehicles, then my infantry, then my non-frontline assets.
This of course is modified by what they are doing, so if my infantry are in a pivotal position I'll prioritize them.
Basically play more and git gud.

>>174894723

By playing wargames.

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Ooooy vey

>>174895305
Took me a second to notice the swastika. How butthurt can people be?

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This guy was trying to get eugen to start moderating global chat because the opinions he didn't like weren't valid.
>capcha: dresden saules
Is this irony?

>>174894723
I make sure my units are positioned well. Takes away a lot of micro

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Give it too meeeeee, REEEE

>>174897061
Two nebelwerfers and some mortars and it's all dead

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>>174897061
>hill defense mission

>>174897319
Does STD even have elevation modeled in any way

>>174897519
yes but france is very flat

>>174897617
Moe desu

>>174897617
for you

>>174897617
France is literally worst girl

>>174897823
France tries her best anon

>>174897617
>>174897823
>>174898742
But France, is no longer France.

>>174899345
Well modern France oppai and thus isn't really France.

>>174894723
In Eugen games it's about experience. The more I play the more I develop default responses for every situation. If you already know what you want to do it's a leisurely 3-4 clicks to do it. Rapid micro only becomes an issue if you're forced to watch for any new developments because you don't have an idea of what to expect.

Also positioning as the other guy said. For example if you know from experience where to place your fire support, you don't have to keep fiddling with it during a fight. You always have to give some orders engagements but it only devolves into focused microing if you have to make lots of adjustments because the initial setup was lacking.

>>174892453
Victoria 2 is welcome here?

What exactly do CMD vehicles do in Steel Division? This doesn't work like WG I assume?

>>174900982
I don't mind but you're better off in /gsg/.

>>174901301
Add a star of veterancy in a radius just like command infantry.

>>174901347
I don't know if anyone in any situation are better off in /gsg/.

>trying to balance game without all units/divisions in play

Dumb idea. As expected from a bunch of Macron viters.

>>174901347
I will try /gsg/ then, thanks Anon :)

>>174901558
He won't be here at least

>>174901558
Fair. Haven't even looked in there in years.

>>174902536
Last year, the last time I was there, they were having another autism war.

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>>174901301
be absolute bad asses

>>174902668
>/gsg/
>autism
They like paracucks games post CK2

>>174902869
Did our opponent have brain damage?

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>>174903057
Well yeah, if a non-braindead smart person plays 12th SS or the new 17th SS its a sure win against 3AD and maybe 15th Scots now (mainly if they are 17th).

>>174901301
Improve vet level and morale of units around them.

How can we make the 12th SS competitive?

I propose we nerf the Jumbo to 240 points and raise the Panther D's front armor by at least 3.

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>>174903591
give them CMD Tiger 1 in Phase A, its like when that guy killed 40 american tanks by himself

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I want to gas all pubbies in this fucking game

>17th SS faggot arying literally everything as soon as I make a push
>Wehraboo that was playing allies for once surrenders half way though
>Check my team's stats
>15% win rate

>>174903923
maybe if we had a steel division discord or something to organize pick up games

>>174903727
Why? Tiger Is aren't exceptional in '44.

>>174904050
Link?

>>174904063
give it 3km range and 8 accuracy and 9rds per minute

>>174904112
https://discord.gg/NnfpuRq
This is the only /wgg/ discord I know about, its brand new and has low members

>>174904170
Also make armor angling apply to it and nothing else to represent the experience of the panzerfuhrer

>>174904303

This is a good historical suggestion! The Phase A CMD Tiger I can have its side AV added to its front AV to represent the experienced panzer ace's skill at angling the tank for maximum effect.

More balance suggestions like this please so we can give the Waffen-SS and Heer the authentic capabilities they need to survive against the Jumbo. Sharts and teaboos need not apply!

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>Guy playing 3rd armored is actually competent
>Stuart and Half track rush up the left side at the start
>my Tri-Polsten deployed in the center of the city completely eliminates the 17th Warcrimes advance until he simply Nebels the town to death
>Stuarts and Cromwells smash their attempt to advance in the center

>>174905001
>cromwells
when were they added for allies?

I just used an AVRE on troops in the open. I feel dirty.

>>174905126
Meant Churchills
But soon, Guards Armored should have them

>>174905126
Guards Armored and Poles will get a shit-ton of them.

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Howling

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>>174906857

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>>>>>>>soviet """"""""""""""""engineering"""""""""""

Why doesn't 12th SS Hitlerjugend get Beute Jumbos?

I think this would help get them where they need to be in terms of balance.

>>174908247
>Soros is inviting you to play

0.50$ has been deposited in your steam account

>>174908629
Why dont they get Beute Centurions and Super Pershings? As it stands they are completely underpowered and nowhere near historical levels of combat effectiveness.
ALL infantry in SS divisions should also get at minimum 1 star of veterancy and have panzerfausts

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What's your winrate dudes? sitting at comfy 65% here with almost 50 games.

>>174908884
panzershrecks*

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>he forgot his AA

>>174908962
Were they all coming inside some town one by one...?

>>174904112
>>174904290
>>174904050
disgusting

Amazing game, truly one of the best of the decade! Great focus on realism and using real world tactics.

The SS units, however, needs to go. Not only are they OP, but you cannot ignore the despicable reputation of the real world Waffen SS division. They're the bastards that did the Oradour sur Glane massacre, where they burnt an entire village's population in its fucking church. They are reviled in France even today, and even though I'm not one to censor games, this was chosen in very bad taste. What's next, a concentration camps special unit?

If you really want to have an elite force for the Germans, you could name it Grossdeutschland (they're usually considered to be the best German division of WW2)

>>174910564
think of all the 80-year-olds that will see this, try to play it and get triggered into anxiety attacks

>>174910564
fuck off jew

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Why are there no helicopter in Steel Division?

>>174910334
Inside a forest, they literally stunned them in a second when i had a leader backing the Stoßtruppen.

>>174910564
>Adolf Diekmann said the atrocity was in retaliation for the partisan activity in nearby Tulle and the kidnapping of Helmut Kämpfe.
Justified.

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>tfw the next expansion will just be Normandy + Boats

>>174910739
cold war was too complicated, we tank+infantry only now for broader appeal

>>174908972

*MILANs

>>174910739
>June 1944 Europe
>Helos

Stop asking for them

ded game ded thread

>>174910821
>boats
no

>>174918012
ur mum is ded

Why do people think Jumbo's are OP? Just because they can kill Pz IV's? (which isn't a unique trait)

>telling new player to use NATO icons in the previous thread
what the fuck

do NOT use NATO icons in steel division, as it is they objectively give you less information. if you want to learn the units, just go into the battlegroup builder and autistically study what each thing does, mouse over numbers and read the tooltips, etc. barely anyone knows what an IG-18 is, but eugene games are about learning the specifics of long lists of units and exactly how they can fuck you.

>>174920673
Because they don't die at range easily so they have to expose their precious panthers.

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>>174920673

>>174920708

If you don't even know what an IG 18 is you need to git out.

>>174921040
The only argument that Wehrs have is that yes, Luftlande are shit.

Anyone who thinks that SS Boyscouts are underpowered needs to get good and shut up, their div is the best in the game right now.

>>174910564
this honestly

>>174921946
But anon how can the German divisions be good if I can't win even when using my units in the dumbest way possible?

>>174921946
>>174922570
>>174923116
T. Jimbo

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STOP ASKING FOR FUCKING 12TH SS BUFFS YOU SHITTERS

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Achilles when?

>>174924523
When the GAD or the Poles come

>12th SS Galatic Prettyboys
ftfy get it right

>>174924745
Canadians too.

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SERBIAN SHELLS ARE LED BY GOD'S HAND. WHERE WE SEND IT OUR SHELL HITS IT

>>>>>>Robz crashes the second before my flamethrower tank reaches the japanese infantry spam
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174923624

The forums are going to fucking kill me. How are wehraboos so fucking stupid?

>>174923624
One day they might ask for a buff that actually matters.

12th ss has posed nearly no problem to beat in 1v1s

>>174906857
>shit posts in broken english.
German wehraboos are the worst kind of wehraboos.At least American ones can claim they were just influenced by their media and can shit post in better english.

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Imagine if this happened when Panzer Lehr gets added

>>174933667
Not likely with the 360-noscope turning we have now.

Playing as the Scots... there's really no point investing money in your armor. Some of the destroyers are okay but I've seen better results with just lots of infantry and guns.

Also are they gonna fix the voices? Barely any of the 15th sound like they're actually from the England/Scotland.

>>174934186
>not editing it "Agree x 7" before posting

>>174934263

>Also are they gonna fix the voices?

If you mean the transport trucks having American accents: probably. If you mean the Scots having English accents, no. Eugen legitimately cannot tell the difference between English accents and do not see any reason to spend resources changing them.

The ANZACs in Red Dragon spoke like Londoners for a reason.

>>174934263
Challengers are worth it just to have more 17lbrs and more mobline platforms for them.

>>174934486
Nigga it's 2:20

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wehraboos get the fuck out and stay out

>>174934263
The support tanks are very helpful

>>174934778
do it again Bomber Harris

>>174934263
I don't think Eugen is going to put much effort into getting proper VAs this time around. We'll get generic American, generic Canadian, generic Brit, well voiced Frogs and probably british voiced poles.

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>>174934778
do it again bomber harris

>>174934263
If you can't get work done with stuart honeys, you're awful at this game.

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Fuck these Panthers give me Fireflies

>>174936662
Fuck fireflies, make sherman 75 viable.

>>174936451
I've never even actually tried.

can anyone reccomend some good maps for RobZ?

I'd prefer heavy urban but I'll take anything

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allies lost 30,000 shermans
2000 tigers ever made
that means 2000 Tigers killed 30,000 Sherman.
and yet allieboos still claim the Sherman is the best tank of the war.
well it isn't
prove me wrong

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>Three players save up THE ENTIRE GAME for a single push
>Naturally they choose my flank to push on
>Buttfuck them up the ass with two seventeen pounders
>Tanks and infantry and planes keep coming
>Team sits by idly doing absolutely NOTHING and even LOSING their flanks while THREE enemy players are now tearing through my ranks

How do Amerilards get THIS fucking bad at videogames?

Why can't shitters just stop playing entirely? Do they not see they are a detriment to the team?

Anyone else feel like the maps in SD are smaller than previous Eugen titles?

>>174943359
>"""lost""" 30,000 shermans
meaning the tank was penetrated by a pak 40/ stug in a ambush and crew (80% of the crew will survive statistically) bailed later to have the tank repaired and put back into service the next week

>>174933330
12SS is definitely weighted towards team games, but I like that sort of balance.

3AD should be buffed into that, just as luftlande could be a 2ID counterpart as an aggressive/1v1 division if it just got some kind of respectable fire support or at least a phase A fighter to protect the duck. I've seen luftlande players do pretty well even as it is by using air effectively, but they have few other ways to deal with open ground.

>>174944275
12ss works because people don't know how to pressure, if you know how to pressure 12ss can't afford it's shiney toys.

>>174934568
I'd still take inaccurate accents over the goofy motherfucker who did american/canadian voices in RD

I'm pretty happy with the americans in SD though, especially the tank guy

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>>174943928
>tank crew survived lmao our tank is the best
shermboos are this delusional
kek

>>174945013
>he thinks life is a videogame

>>174945180
Considering how frequently the early marks of Shermans caught fire, let's not go fellating Detroit's Finest just yet.

>>174945410
>ronson burner meme
broof?

>>174945449
It's not a meme. Tanks brew up pretty quickly without wet storage, and the storage location on Shermans was identified early on by Axis gunners.

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>>174945180
>>174945449
>shermboo btfo
how will they ever recover?

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>When it happens a SECOND fucking time in a SINGLE day

Holy fucking shit, are Allied players really this braindead fucktarded? Do they not take ANY AT guns at all in their decks?

>>174947525
You mean Axis right?

>>174948647
No, I mean allies.

>Enemy A-moves armor
>Everyone collectively shits their pants but me

And then when the game is over they cry that Panthers are "OP" and need to be "nerfed" because they have no fucking clue how to counter one.

yo how do i git gud at steel division

>>174948982
Be shitty and complain on the paradox forums and maybe Eugene will buff your division of choice.

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>>174949250
for me? the 15th infantry scottish division. intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humour.

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>>174948982
hold out till Phase b
nerbal
thats about it

>>174948962
Oh I haven't had that issue. My past couple matches have been on allies and we cleaned up.

>>174949508
Unfortunately you're not playing a French allied division so enjoy your nerfs due to "historical accuracy"

>>174949683
i teach you the scotsman, nerfs are something to be surpassed - what have you done to surpass them

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Stop playing Steel Division.

>>174950313
shut up varg

>>174948982
Go play 50 matches, after each one look at what worked and what didn't.

Watch your replays.

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>>174950467

Hey you.

Stop playing Steel Division.

>>174950570
varg i just want to play my video games

>>174948962

You fought a brain-dead German player that didn't even abuse the fact that all anti-tank guns can be easily made obsolete with a single right click from an arty piece.

t. never lost a Panther in 84 hours playing the beta

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>tfw we'll be playing wargames in real life soon

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>>174951134
Who here hype for korean war: The Revengening, this time its personal edition?

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>>174950615

Who is varg

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>>174952465
Stop asking questions

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>>174947525
I think most players are paradrones who haven't played RTS games before and are just learning the mechanics, like i see constantly the huge panzer blobs that just get stunned by rocket artillery, having a few elite tanks (or just any elite units) is better than having thousand shit ones.

>>174952720
It's a changeup from wargame where units were more vulnerable that I think people still suck at dealing with.

>>174944275
Give luftlande a phase A fighter.
Add an option to take the Bef. Pz III at one per card in phase A.

Wow look I made them good, was it really that hard Eugen?

>>174923624
nerf jumbo

>>174955340
The rocket BF 109 is more than capable of doing the job. There's not much AA in phase A to make it so that you need to burst shit down super fast.

Is the Phase A Typhoon with rockets a good pick up? Doesn't really destroy anything

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>guy next to me starts getting swarmed by infantry
>to counter this, he buys
>an AT gun
>and unloads it 100m from the infantry
>when this predictably gets murdered and he starts losing ground with nothing on the front, his response is to buy
>390 points of artillery

>>174958647
Should have bought tanks tbqh famalamalam

>>174958292
>Doesn't really destroy anything
don't use it on armor unless you need to panic something, it's there to kill soft things like infantry and especially AT guns, which it does very well

typhoons also double as pretty good interceptors with their speed and quad 20mms

>>174958292
Don't hit armour with it, those are for the Phase C Typhoons with AT

>>174958292
I prefer the spitfire with the bombs, the typoon's rockets seem to spread way too much without e big enough explosion to be reliable unlike the ME 109's which just delete units.

Seriously what is up with these idiots on reddit thinking AAA is under powered. A wirbelwind is not a fucking tunguska you retards.

I'm convinced they're just butt-hurt that they can't spam AA instead of actually having to use fighters.

>>174960148
>how people think
>anti-air is the counter to air

Thus when it doesn't match their expectations they get mad. Meanwhile anyone that actually played wargame with an eye for srs bznz play is thankful that air combat isn't an RNG fuckfest now.

srsly, the air war in wargame was nothing but dice, you could manipulate it a bit but using 50% ECM planes to soak up missiles wasn't exactly -much- better, and in ALB they nerfed the cheap as shit planes which made it reliable because you could spam so many of them.

Which is fair enough, 3 planes with nothing but A2A rockets shouldn't be a better air superiority force than an F-15.

What we can gather from the forums and this thread is that the allies have BY FAR the most toxic players.

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>>174960558
Joke's on you I play Axis and them come on here to rag on Wehrboos.

>>174960558
Commonwealth players are LITERALLY the greatest players in the world

>>174960148
Because AAA is a huge money investment without much of an effect. Buying a single or even double units is never enough, they don't deal with enemy permamently, often have very bad mobility and are ineffective against micro.

I wish wargame spaags had the range to fire support like in SD

Are Fireflies secretly the greatest tanks in the world?

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>Play Allies
>Team is shit and loses flanks

>Play Axis
>Team is shit and loses flanks

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>>174964525
People are shit in general.

>>174960148
>Thus when it doesn't match their expectations they get mad. Meanwhile anyone that actually played wargame with an eye for srs bznz play is thankful that air combat isn't an RNG fuckfest now.
>srsly, the air war in wargame was nothing but dice, you could manipulate it a bit but using 50% ECM planes to soak up missiles wasn't exactly -much- better, and in ALB they nerfed the cheap as shit planes which made it reliable because you could spam so many of them.
>Which is fair enough, 3 planes with nothing but A2A rockets shouldn't be a better air superiority force than an F-15.

I've seen people complain that a single pak 38 starting in machine gun range doesn't stop 3 stuarts from attacking. People sometimes understand with AA that you need more than one piece, but with AT guns they expect one to dominate whole approaches.

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>>174964854

Why are there no SD webms?

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>>174965067
SD's dumb dice rolls don't allow for tactical excellence like men of war does.

And we haven't had enough kruppsteel memes to make document outrageously stupid situations in SD44 yet like we have in wargame.

Just wait till they add king tigers, and you'll see webms of 1 of these attacking moving across the map.

>>174965260

Well there was that one webm of two squads of assault rangers destroying 10 squads of german infantry with no losses in a forest.

>>174964525
stacked lobbies bro

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haven't seen that one yet.

>>174965260
>refers to tactical excellence and posts a webm of one of the shittiest corridor maps

>>174965493
I bet you've never managed to make a crocodile Sherman charge into an AT gun position by angling it at optimum and driving diagonally towards it.

>>174965889
men of war is a gimmicky sack of wank, literally real time Worms 3D set in ww2

>throw grenade on top of elite infantry
>he flies 50 feet in the air
>lands on his feet and proceeds to charge your tank fire a panzerschreck at it

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>>174965442

There just isn't enough pictures of this guy to make a good shoop.

I really like the way jagdpanzer looks like

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>>174966283
Using elite troops is for scrubs.

>>174966283
A squad of panzer grenadiers cost more than a T-60.

A T-60 will destroy them.

What is the AP value of piats, bazookas and etc?
it isnt 100% for sure
first my squad fired 3 rockets to cause the panther to panic and then it finally managed to pierce the sidearmor
How close can tank without recon support go to trees before it sees the infantry there?

>>174967362
Realistically the Infantry should never be seen by the tank unless they fire

>>174967458
its a video game

>>174967538
So? Tanks still have poor vision in game.

>allies on omaha dont deploy from the coast

what the fuck?

>>174966903
the autocannon and elite infantry match up is the ultimate meme in men of war

that and flamethrower indirect hill denial

>>174967701
it isnt blind nor are infantry invisible
so video game mechanics should make spotting possible if its at the edge
all units do have 360 degrees of vision too?

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17 pounders are just too good

>>174967985
Waiting until the enemy can cover the map in elite infantry is your problem i think.

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>>174968507
Just wait for Guards and Poles.

>>174965260
>the truck that slowly rolls to a stop as its burning crew bails out

>>174967936
They do on some map orientations

>>174968040
Infantry are basically invisible to tanks when in concealment and holding fire.

If you're getting tanks close enough to spot infantry on their own then you have bigger problems than the games mechanics

>>174964409
Theatre of War is absolute murder to play. I love the damage model and the control you have but it just doesn't work well at all. Not to mention having to win battles that were losses to continue in a campaign.

>>174965067
say what you want about SD being diluted but im glad they got rid of the panic button plane bullshit

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I'm browsing photo archives, and oh shit, Polish soilders were really devoted to Our Lord and Saviour Royal Ordnance Quick Firing 17-pounder. Can't blame them.

>>174970614
Magical western weaponry must seem like miracles from heaven to them

>>174965067
GIVE US BACK GOOD LOOKING GRASS EUGEN YOU KEKS

>>174970735
no problem mon'amie just wait for the $1.99 grass DLC hon hon

>>174970868
Modeled from the finest grass in the lot next to the Eugen offices from pictures taken my MadMad himself.

Can I pirate the Combat Mission games so I don't have to pay 60 bucks to see if I like them?

Do I want to?

>>174971169

There are demos.

>>174971169
Yes of course, why would you ask?

>>174971443
>>174971545

Which ones are worth playing?

>>174971568

Battle for Normandy, Fortress Italy, Red Thunder, Final Blitzkrieg and Black Sea are the most up to date ones.

Beute Firefly should be moved to the AT tab, it would fit right in there. And it would force 12. SS players to actually make a measured decision as to whether to put it in their deck, because atm there's no reason not to use it.

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>no eastern front
Yeah no thanks

>>174972263
world is fuck
510 billion dead commies

>>174972397
i dunno. i feel like we've gotten too many eastern front ww2 based games recently.


now you know what'd be real fucking cool?
north africa maps

>>174972771
meant for
>>174972263

>>174972771
>Tiger I op I can't pen it with anything and it outranges me by a fuckload wtf

>>174972263
Steel Division DLC or sequel

>>174972263
>>174972771
At the end of the day, the reason they did Normandy is the sheer variety of equipment and divisions present at the battle. You wouldn't get that on the Eastern Front, especially not with the Russians.

>>174972934
I don't know how they'd do it as dlc, really, at least for multiplayer. it'd be pretty difficult and weird to balance north africa divisions with 1944 normandy divisions, so it feels like they couldn't just plop in more divisions the way wargame did nations.

WHEN are they going to add Großdeutschland?

>>174971169
If I remember rightly though the only version of Combat Mission Normandy has the base game, no commonwealth, no market garden, no missions and no upgrades.

>>174972934
yeah, nah, they won't make a dlc with dozens of new units, completely new maps etc., obviously everything incompatible with the base game.

expect dlcs with divisions that fought in normandy and more of that shit you can get in the deluxe edition, "in-game aces", forum avatars (lol) etc. and less than a year from now a sequel with a different timeframe and battlefield.

>>174973175

When they start selling DLC.

>>174973381
I can't wait to see ameriboo tears when Großdeutschland rolls along

>>174971886
Beute firefly in the opening is super risky and asking to get shoved around in the hedgerows.

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>>174971886
>deckbuilding
>decisions
>SD
pick two

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>tfw advancing across a field through smoke with Churchill tank support

Why is the 15th Division so /comfy/ ?

>>174973779
Or just killed by AT guns, it's like people forget it's only got 11 front armour.

>>174972263
Not enough diversity between Russian divisions in that front.

>>174973859
whattu gamu is this?

>>174974254
Combat Mission: Normandy

>>174974290
cheers mate

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>>174973859
>tfw taking the enemy position without any casualties

what division would you like to be introduced next into steel division boys?

Does anybody have a copy of Rule the Waves?
I plan on testing it first before I buy.

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>>174974425
Hooray for horrible urban warfare!

>>174974643
Guards Armoured

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>>174974643
Canucks or Guards for the Allies

Windhund or 21st Panzer for the Axis

>>174970715
Right...whatever makes you feel better about yourself, my Poland-hating friend.

>>174974879
imagine being invaded by both the commies and the fascists at the same time.

mental innit

>>174973048
Nah, you'd just have some divisions which suck on some maps, same as in wargame.

>>174972964
I want to bully T34s with Elefants

>>174974643
I really want the Tempests and phase A 381mm support for the Red Devils.

>>174971886
What? 12. has shit AT options, moving it to the AT tab would be a 12. buff. You are fucking retarded.

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>>174974651

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>Mfw my Bradley turns a corner and instantly facefucks the enemy BMP

>>174975146
>Pak 40
>Jagd
>shitty
They only have to fight Shermans you know.

>moving it to the AT tab would be a 12. buff.
Like fuck it would, they have only 3 slots in the AT tab and a fucking million in the Tank tab. That combined with the crazy high availability on their tanks means only the most retarded Wehrboo actually uses up all his tank slots. FF is a no brainer in the TNK tab.

>>174975358
>They only have to fight Shermans you know.

What if you play axis vs axis.

And the FF is supposed to be a no brainer, it and the cromwell are probably the only real things that are gonna separate it from the totally stock panzer division that's going to be coming later.

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>>174975467
>What if you play axis vs axis.

>>174975537
It's a thing you can do, you have to account for it when discussing deck building potential.

When there was a community tournament it ended in scots vs scots.

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>>174975173

>>174975358
And Panthers are better suited to it. Replacing a pak 40 with a meme tank will let you upvet your panthers more, or maybe make taking a card of pzIV not totally retarded to fight light vehicles and support infantry.

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>>174974643
Gib Poland.

>>174974643
Guards Armored and Panzer Lehr so they can fight it out on the airfield.

>>174975691
JgPzIV >>>> Pak40

Three vet flatpanzers simply don't miss. I use them to hunt low to mid tier vehicles while my panthers fight mainline tanks.

>>174975836
They come at 2 vet? Damn. How many cards of how many?
Not that it matters, I play 17.

>>174975917
You get access to 3x1-cards of vet 2 flatpanzers in phase B, so you can fill all three AT slots with them.

I currently only take one or two so i can deploy shrek teams.

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>>174975691
>guys let me just spend 2 minutes worth of income on a single unit, I'll never come under pressure and need to get a unit that does the majority of what this one that costs a minute + a bits worth of resources extra.

>>174976249
You won't in the current meta, it's absolutely retarded to take PzIVs.

>>174976402
stop playing nothing but 4v4 and above.

>>174976443
Why?

>>174976512
Because it gives you a warped view of how the game works due to the passive nature of the majority of players that play the bigger team games

>>174976678
But it is how the game works, team games are wargame/STD

>>174976249
Just take a fucking flatpanzer and a pak card.

>>174976850
>just have only 1 200 point useful AT unit in phase A
>just have no infantry based AT
>just don't take the higher accuracy and higher AP 100 points cheaper pak

It's good, don't get me wrong, but I'd take the 40 + cheap leader unit, + 80 points worth of infantry any time.

New division & map on Thursday lads.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/572410/discussions/0/1318835718949913180/

>>174976839
assuming everyone is playing badly isn't generally a useful way to get better.

>>174977332
And ignoring reality is bad practice

>>174977330
Nice. I suppose they're just going to drip feed us one or two divisions up until release

>>174977330
It says reveal, not add

>>174977426
Or I could apply principals that beat both good and bad players instead of just bad players.

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>>174947525
>Crusader AA takes out Stug IV

>>174977538
>No, we're revealing a new division and a new map which will be added to the beta soon@.

t. Madmat

>>174977653
So I'm right and the guy I replied to is wrong?
Why did you make this post?

If you're playing against people who don't attack unless a ww1 level barrage has hit a position, the panzer IV is worthless.

>>174976249
How come panthers are so fast if theyre heavy as shit and have crappy engines?

>>174978109
Power to weight ratio and track design.

>>174978109
They were fast in forward gear. It's the reverse gear that was infamously slow, which isn't modeled ingame.

>>174978109
It didn't have a crappy engine, it has a crappy transmission. It also wasnt heavy as shit, just heavier than most medium tanks.

>>174978339
like 10 tons heavier than shermans

>>174978996
>centurion
>50 tons
>m26
>40 tons
>panther
>45 tons

notice something?

ameritards werent exactly leading in tank design

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I've just gotten Alea Jacta Est, but I'm sort of overwhelmed by the scale of the theatre.
Any recommendations for which is the easiest campaign to cut my teeth on (no DLCs)?

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Stop playing Steel Division

>>174979392
I can't stop killing Nazis

>>174934263
I think the honeys you get initially are quite good, and churchills can be good in a supporting role.

>>174947525
AT Guns are fantastic. They're better than ATGM carriers in wargame, you just need to have a machine or AA gun or something nearby to stop infantry and the occasional bombing

>>174979632
What are you thoughts on picking up the 5x Phase B Honey Stuarts?

>>174979856
I wouldn't bring honeys phase B, too weak against panthers and Panzer IVs

>>174979367
The centurion is a MBT, and the m26 was a heavy tank(so was panther, albeit it wasn't the intend of the original design).

>>174976249
As someone who plays mostly 12 SS Panthers are significantly better than PZ IVs. Especially BEF Panthers since it takes a heavy AT gun to threaten it, and you should be spending most of your game picking those off in prep for the final push in Phase C. Even the Panther D is mostly immune to allied tanks and medium AT guns which is not true for PZ IVs.

>tfw Hetzer is barely OOTF

>>174980131
It's the 1k range that kills the Pz4 for a lot of people.

>>174980130
The panther and Pershing were both medium tanks

>>174976249
>>174980131
It similiar to wargame where the AP/armor/HE increase isn't linear, Like the increase from 25->30HE is many times bigger than the increase from 15->20HE this is why you should prefer bigger bombs instead of many smaller ones.

>>174977602
That thing is actually great at taking out armor with side shots or shooting weak spots. I remember a game of War Thunder where I killed 8 tanks with it.

>>174980453
I sure wish there was some indication of HE performance besides raw experimentation

>>174979856
Honey stuarts are still useful in phase B, you just have to use the terrain more.. Tanks become more equal the closer they get.

>>174980130
centurion was developed and put into service as a medium tank

first british MBT was the chieftain

kys

How do I not suck at this game.

Everytime the game starts it seems like the enemy already has AT guns in place, shitloads of AA whenever I try to use aircraft and thousands of infantry that never get pinned down.

How the fuck do you even get good at this?

>>174980401
The panther was a heavy tank/turret tank destroyer. It was never used in a dual breaktrough/explotation role of the medium tanks. The m26, meanwhile, was outright designed, called, and used as a heavy tank during the ww2.

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>>174981149
What did he mean by this?

>>174980287
The extra range is nice, but mostly it's the idea that it can get frontally penned by a base Sherman (or even a lucky Stuart) that makes me wary about bringing them in. 12 SS is a lot of fun in phase B and especially C but phase A is so nerve wracking...
>Usually bring two base recon, 5 pazergrens in trucks, a pack 38 and Firefly to start with
>No AA (not any worth bringing), barely any Arty, and no planes to speak of until B
>Just gotta park the Firefly behind a hedge and keep it alive for ten minutes while the panzergrens hold the line and the 1 mortar you get hits AT guns as you see them

The two games I've lost with them recently were because I couldn't keep my Firefly safe and that puts you in a hole that you can't get out of really.

The Phase C Panther Party makes it worth it though.

>>174981208
>The panther was a heavy tank/turret tank destroyer. It was never used in a dual breaktrough/explotation role of the medium tanks.
I have never read anything to that effect, and unless you can back that up I can only assume you pulled it out of your ass.

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>>174980558
>I sure wish there was some indication [blank] performance besides raw experimentation

Wargame/SD in a nutshell.

>>174980131
I too commit 300 points so that I can have (probable) control of one part of the map.

>>174980453
It might even matter if there was more than 1 unit (so far, obviously there will be a few more, but those units are prohibitively expensive) where going above 15 AP was particularly necessary on.

>>174981167
Practice. watch your replays, look at what units he's using and see how they differ from yours, etc.

>>174981149
The centurion was a "heavy cruiser tank" ie a primitive MBT, to all intents and purposes.

>>174981368
Use the Beute Cromwell to hunt AT guns instead. It outranges every phaseA ATG the allies have currently.

>>174981524
I remember making a huge set of two images for nato/pact artillery dispersion in ALB
Man was I glad they added the dispersion stat in RD
And then they removed it because ???

>>174981696
It also needs LoS

>>174981368
>not spending 2 cards on 2 mortars
>not making use of the sdkfz to bully none mechanised infantry
>no fucking leaders
>no cromwell for fucking up buildings that you can't have and killing AT guns that people place in stupid places

>>174981839
There's plenty of that.

>>174981598
It just seems like they know exactly what im doing when im doing and I have no vision of any of their shit. Their tanks always one shot anything of mine, my AT never does anything effective, my AA is useless and never deters the enemy aircraft.

Just seems really fukkin hard to play as well as some people are that it makes me suspect theyre cheating

>>174982068
Until they take one step back

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>>174981149

You're somewhat correct. although the onle reason i wasn't called an MBT at the time is because the concept of an MBT wasn't even a thing. since ya know it was the FIRST MBT.

>>174982138
Once you've played like 20 games, you know the kind of things people do.

Show me a deck of yours and I'll see if I can guess a couple things you're not using as much as I think you should.

>>174982138
Oh so you don't have recon?

>>174981149
>Universal Tank
>Cruiser Tank
>Centurion

Pick all three.

>>174982293
>>174982138
Let me rephrase, once you've played 20 games If you have experience playing RTS games.

More if you don't obv.

>>174981696
I'll give that a try, though my Cromwell tends to be busy helping out my allies crush puny infantry. My worry obviously is the Cromwell is vulnerable to hidden AT guns and Stuarts but if my recon is solid enough I guess it's not a huge issue.

>>174981598
>Buying expensive tanks is scary
Then go play 3rd armored I guess man, Panthers certainly have worthwhile advantages over the IVs. I only play the 2v2 - 4v4 anyways, so I can get Arty and Air support while I provide the tanks, so I guess you may have a point in 1v1, idk.

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>>174982138
This is the only image of a deck I have, but its an old one that I've changed now. Should still give you an idea of my trash deckbuilding

>>174982481
replied to the wrong anons
>>174982408
>>174982327
>>174982293

Should I always be trying to sneak infantry behind their lines to capture territory and spot shit? I notice shitters doing this to me as I crush their main line and then exploit the hole capturing much more and mopping up their spread units, but it seems like it would speed up games and spread them thinner. I do miss hunter killer groups in wargame with ATGMs.

>>174982481
Its like you want to get strafed and pounded the entire game.

>>174982161
Only if they're sitting on the large hedges.

>>174982628
Recce by force is a valid tactic that should see decent returns if used properly and supported if you see any glaring gaps.

>>174982481
>MGs
>2 cards of MGs
>befehlpz II
>no support leaders
>fuckall infantry avail
>pz IV
>2 cards of pz IV
>no vet panthers
>your entire support tab
>one card of flak 88s

Jesus
H
Christ

I've fallen in love with crewed MG teams.

Excellent gap-fillers and town holders.

>>174981412
Since I am on the fone, I will try to keep it short: Basically, the pzV was originally intent to replace the pzIII as Germany primary tank, but experience in the east led to it becoming, at first, a german copy of the t-34(the DB design). However, corruption and german desire to create a superior tank led to a dramatic increase of weight, and with it, strategic mobility and reability, meaning that it could be used in the explotation role intended for medium tanks, and the long 75mm, while very good at killing tanks, had very anemic HE shells, meaning that it was not all that good in the breakthrough role either.

>>174982905
>>174982716
Instead of pointing out how shit I am at building a deck, which ive already admitted to, could you please give me some lessons on how to build a good deck

Are there non-historical wargames worth considering, /wgg/?

>>174983015
*decrease of strategic mobility and reability

>>174983174
Reliability anon.

>>174983310
Yeah, sorry about that.

>>174982481
Well, if any of this stuff is changed good job.

You need cheaper recon, try and get 1 really cheap recon unit you can just throw out easily.
Replace an MG42 with pinoeers, they're a godsend for clearing towns imo.
You will nearly never be able to afford that many panzer, go for the 1 star H's, remember units without any stars take a penalty to accuracy, and take the commander H instead of the Js.
Same with the panthers, put more veterancy on them, you'll struggle to afford a lot anyway so make them as good as they can be.
support seems reasonable, I would take one of the cars with leader, but personal preference there, I think if you're careful you can stretch your infantry leaders out.
you have the same AT tab as me
I take more flak 41 because the unit is efficiency central and only take 2 halftrack phase A, AAA
I really like the halftrack moartars and have 2 of them
same air tab

Here's mine for comparisn, I'm probably going to cut down the artillery tab, probably the hummels for more infantry, and I might cut the warcrimes mobile (flmpz 251) for grilles or infantry if I don't cull artillery.

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>>174983448
Actually posting the screencap helps.

>>174982481
Swap out some of the expensive recon infantry for cheaper ones, drop the most expensive recon car. You probably don't need the infantry MGs or sturmpioneers but you do need a lot more panzergrens, more trucks than halftracks. I don't use the command pz III but I'm not sure if that's smart. Get rid of all the IV J's and get a card of Panther D and another BEF Panthers. Swap out the flammanwerfer for a couple SPW 232s (command + autocannon = value). I'd drop the panzershrecks for a vetted jagpanzer. Try to fit in the other Flak 41. You don't really need the off map Arty. I'd go for two fighters but that's up to you I guess.

This is what's worked for me at least, you might get better advice from more experienced players.

>>174982481
Recon: too many aufklärer
infantry: good, Pioner Führer are bit expensive for what you get with them though
Tanks: Too many tanks, get a command PzIV and upvetted PzIV H, and change Panther G for upvetted ones
Support: no supply in phase A, 250/8 is also just better
Anti-tank: Change PaK 38 for upvetted one and change pz.schreck&PaK 40 for upvetted Jagdpanzers
Anti-air: you need two cards of 38s at phase A for them to be useful i'd get the one in a vehicle since it can also be used as a IFV
Artillery: get mortar in phase A and two cards of Panzerwerfer
Air: FW 190 G3 is the best interceptor in the 12.SS i'd also recommend a recon plane

>>174974927
I don't have to imagine this, I'm a Pole.

>>174976249
>Panzer 4 same speed as Sherman

>>174983786
>>174983682
>>174983613
>>174983448
Thank you all, I will try these improvements and post results

>>174982161
move infantry up at the same time

>>174981412
>It was never used in a dual breaktrough/explotation role of the medium tanks.
because when it started to come out the Nazis were falling back across all fronts