/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

1st for welding in space

>stop using hydrogen

Fuck you buddy.

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If for some insane reason someone needs a rotary dashpot in this game, you can make one using an overdriven propeller with the blades mounted at high pitch. Obviously it's not an ideal dashpot since drag works with the square of speed, but if you just need some damping you will be okay.

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>you will never understand what the fuck is going on in Dichronauts

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We need to compile a list of every single active general and put all of them in the definitely not /egg/ list.

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>>174857874
Space is the perfect environment for carrying out electron beam welding, prove me wrong.

Electron beam welds can be T H I C C

>>174859158
Had to google what a dashpot is. Cool.

So when they have dampeners on the foundation of buildings out in Cali, is this similar to what you might expect to find?

>>174859427
No. those are gigantic counterweights suspended by cables.

>>174860226
What about those rubber mat foundation covers

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=531659576
thots for Spengies?

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>>174859427
Seems plausible but I dunno, I'm not a civil or mechfag. I only learned about it in control theory.

>>174860226
You need something to remove energy from the counterweights or else they will act like pendulums. That's what a dashpot does.

>>174859362
What I really want to see is a Coulumb gun (by analogy to a Gauss gun). There have been a few tests, but you can only put so many megavolts into them before an arc forms between the rings.

how is a piston dampener (dashpot), related to this>>174859158?

>>174860513

>>174859158 is a rotary dashpot, which is the spinny analogue to a linear dashpot. This guy https://youtu.be/f1U4SAgy60c makes a simple rotary dashpot by tightening the screw on his pendulum. The pendulum robs energy from the building, but the dashpot is what dissipates it as heat.

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Is the Factorio server still up? Is it populated at all?

>>174862130
I'm all alone on someone else's serb

Address is 198.27.87.101, password is clang

>>174862130
christ that looks awful

dEd

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>>174860364
>> coulomb gun
They exist. Electrostatic accelerators are used to accelerate dust particles up to km/s velocities for hypervelocity impact studies:
http://impact.colorado.edu/facilities.html

Now if you could make one with a dust beam power on the order of gigawatts and put that bad boy on the moon, you could probably completely shit up earth orbit with moon dust. Like tonnage quantities per hour.

The cool part is that the acceleration length necessary to get the delta V to put dust grains on a highly elliptical orbit with a low periapis, is rather short, meters rather than kilometers long. So once we have sufficient power it becomes really easy to build these sand blasters from hell.

If we are really clever, we might be able to take advantage of radiation pressure to transfer our dust into LEO or GEO and seriously fuck shit up. Hell we can double the fun by put the dust into a retrograde orbit.

>>174866371
aaand in layman terms?
Shooting down satellites with moonsand, right?

>>174866854
Shooting down all the satellites and making space travel fucking awful

>>174846994
>>174857230
and I'll come when 015's here
>>174851413
a...anon, why is gas connected to the sex fluid production?

>>174868741
>he hasn't heard of methanal

>>174868741
>a...anon, why is gas connected to the sex fluid production?
It looks to me like he was intending to use it as both a lube and a solid fuel factory, switching it manually, perhaps?

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Napeleonic warfare in FtD when?

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Been fiddling with skywankers the kind of doors I like can be done but fuck is it cumbersome compared to classic tekkit frames also NO FUCKING RAMP CORNERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anyway, is anyone good with the logic parts in the game or know how to combine these movements into a simple open/close switch?

>>174869997
already looks like starmade 2.0

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>>174859280
Yes you will!

>>174832476
>blanket the earth in smoke to cut the machines off of their solar power
What could possibly go wrong?
Ignoring the whole "how do smoke" issue, let's say the plan goes through:
Great, there's no sunlight for the machines... or plants, which ironically are required for every single bit of food produced.
It means that all food now must be grown with artificial lights. Given that humans have other power sources, I'd expect machines to have some as well.

Adding to that, day to day life now sucks - it'd suck even if there wasn't a war going on.
It's pitch black night all the time, which means you need lights all the time.
Society's power consumption will *explode*, whereas machines might not care all that much.
Who's to say they rely on optics similar to human eyes?

>>174877567
Reminder that this is actually what happened and the machines started farming humans to use as batteries via technomagic

>>174869957
When we get infantry and handles for weapon crews to grab and push said cannons.

>>174877567
Hey nobody ever accused the matrix of being well written.

>>174841889
>Putting the inputs and outputs on the same belt seems iffy
The only place where it's an explicitly bad idea is with iron smelting.
Iron ore is smelted to iron plates, which is then grabbed again and smelted into steel.
Unless carefully managed, such a setup will quickly spiral into a deadlock.

>>174877704
I always wondered how they "grew" humans.
Magic nutrient paste from dead soil?

>>174877567
>It's pitch black night all the time, which means you need lights all the time.
That's not the case.
Just making it hazy (even dusty, really) is enough to drastically reduce the available power harnessed through solar panels.

>>174879484
>seed clouds
>short exposed shit
>fuck infrastructure
>block sun

I think the permanent scorching of the sky was a bit much.

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Tenk transport

>>174881315
Literally why not just use a train, drive it there manually or make a better tank.

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>>174881315
tfw need a transporter for the transporter

>>174882329
Tank trains in Factorio when?

>>174882329
>why not just use a train
That's probably better unless trains cannot take it where it needs to be in time. Maybe tracks have been damaged or somehow it's too wide for the rail line but not too wide for road transport or something.

>drive it there manually
Better range, better fuel economy, better top speed, and/or does less damage to pavement?

>make a better tank
you go to war with the tank you've got

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>>174882592
All that into an airdrop ship that can be launched from a carrier bote.

>>174882329
Moot point, the M4 was already a better tank in that it needed no transporter. They could drive off the ramp in Normandy and ride their own tracks to the Rhine on the factory tranny and final drive.

>>174862336
>9 hours ago
Is it still alive?

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>>174866854
>>174867003
In layman's terms, shooting down all the satellites and making it so that Earth can never launch satellites again. Oh and giving Earth a nice and pretty ring system

>>174888937
Yes, but last I saw the factory was getting trashed by ayys.

>>174866371
The problem is that these things require hard vacuum to work due to arcing concerns. Nobody is going to use a vacuum chamber to test a weapon that could feasibly destroy said vacuum chamber. We're not getting anywhere with these guns until there is at least a machine shop in space, then these things lose a shit-ton of weight while potentially being more power-efficient than railguns because of high voltage/low current.

>>174882329
Tanks are super inefficient. A dedicated tanker is probably cheaper and easier to maintain.

Factorio update:
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44505

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>>174892785
>Added flamethrower to the tank.

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who /steam/ here?

>>174888937
>>174890559
>serber is STILL on 0.14.22

>>174893234
not me
nuclear power all the way

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>make new game for the update
>spawn here

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>>174893141
>Fuel type now affects vehicle acceleration and top speed.

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>>174893575
>>174893141
>the trenstops can be shut down by wires and all trens ignore them
>also trenstops give humongous penalty to pathfinder

I came

>>174869957
What game is this?

>>174893965
>those fucking seagulls
Aside from the fact that it says it in the post, that's a dead giveaway, FtD, from the depths
Learn to read anon

>>174893965
There is literally one game where they use such cheap-ass gull model

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eh?

>>174894391
Mine crashes on DL
I guess there's reason why it's "experimental"

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>>174894679
Yeah it seems there are quite a few more people at the forum who are having similar crashes. Guess we'll have to wait another day for nukular reaktors.

anyone wanna help a piratefag out with .15?

>>174895662
So you want to crash for free huh?

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>>174895779
I mean, is CRASH really that different from CLANG?

t. Computer Scientist

>>174895779
>crash
>for free
jej

NU FTF UPDATE:
update V1.968:
-Content update to all multiple planets
-More to be released shortly- thank you for your patience
>Wow, it's fucking nothing. More nothing coming Soon(tm)

>>174896115
Unified campaigns

>>174896586
There are 4 right now, but there's an empty space next to those 4 in the main menu, so who knows... Maybe they're going to put a land combat RTS so nobody plays it

>>174894391
aparrently disabling steam cloud sync fixes the issue

My factorio hasn't crashed without any changes or fixes. I did read somebody say to use the non-steam version which supports >>174896940

Serb?

>>174896586
More like unified playerbase

>>174896940
I can confirm, that indeed fixed the issue.

>>174896940
>posts about the game crashes
>see this
yeah it fucking fixed it for me too what the fuck Factorio

>>174893317
>>serber is STILL on 0.14.22
Updated

I'm at work right now, so if it's fucked, too bad. I'll check on it when I get home in another 4 hours.

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>http://fromthedepthsgame.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=27305
>balance update
>the twentieth fucking balance update
Balancing is an alright idea right now only because Nick has basically abandoned the main game in favor of the exact same game except on a different branch.

>>174902314
All I see is:
Block AC (armor i guess) increased, health increased, cost decreased.
>AKA: more cheese

And the (not)funny parts:
Make 'wavefront adjuster' for lasers also pierce water.
>Using subs to avoid cheesing fights? Never again

Batteries start fully charged. (This is in respect to the shield changes, to prevent alpha strikes from being unfair.)
>No more oneshotting cheesefucks before they put their shields up

Turrets can be motorized, causing them to turn faster at the cost of energy.
>Guess who gets benefits? Massive vehicles, why would you build small anyways?

Accuracy penalty from Disruptor headpieces (APS) removed.
>Might be the only good thing in this patch, because...

Fragmentation rounds rebalanced, they do 25% damage at a 1 degree cone, 200% at a 180 degree cone (APS)
>Fuck you, Nick

And more stuff like new kind of shields and whatever that i don't feel like commenting because it's probably the same

>>174900893
>spawn on islet.
lel

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>>174892785
>Fish can be collected by robots.
Finally.

>>174904815
Tell me about the fish; why does it swim?

>>174903132
You didn't see all the useful changes because your hateboner for Nick is so big it is blocking your vision

I thought you'd be happy that they nearly doubled the speed cap for jets so smol plens can go super fast again

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I feel like chode and ftd are the exact opposite of each other. Smaller is better in chode whereas ftd gives all the benefits to 50K+ block monstrosities with 10 layers of shields and enough anti-missile guns to tear most reasonable designs in half. chode also doesn't care about balance as long as it's scientifically accurate, whereas ftd doesn't care about balance as long as the balance is skewed towards the aforementioned monstrosities.

>>174902314
The Stupid is strong with this one.
Nick unified into a competent developer when?
>>174906481
>You didn't see all the useful changes because your hateboner for Nick is so big it is blocking your vision
>t.NotNick

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>>174906583
Excellent observation, Anon! I am, in fact, not Nick

>>174906690
Am I nick?

>>174857448
Steam currently has a daily deal (70% off) on Space Engineers.

>>174906583
>hey if you were so angry at the guy you could see that he's done "some" good things
>NO HE'S THE DEVIL AND NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY DEFEND HIM I'LL JUST CALL YOU HIM TO DISMISS WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY
or you could not be a child for ten seconds, you can do that as well

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>>174907021
I don't know, are you?

>>174907174
yeah i was thinking of getting space and medieval engis for that 16 shekels, is it worth?

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>>174907330
Medieval Engis? Absolutely not

>>174907493
whats wrong with it?

>>174907542
It has even less content than Sponges

>>174907639
you say that like spec engis has nothing for content?

>>174906481
>I thought you'd be happy that they nearly doubled the speed cap for jets so smol plens can go super fast again
>removing a speed cap is a good thing, so you shouldn't be mad at the other bad things

My hateboner for Nick is so big that it has it's own gravity field, i admit it. You should admit that that "balance" patch will fuck things up more if you don't follow the cheese way

>>174907247
I'm not sure.
I wouldn't have asked if I knew.

>>174907727
No, it has less content than an actual sponge.

It has the cool stuf that spengos dosent.
>females
>compound blocks
>ropes
>NPC's

>>174907975
You're aware this patch is still being worked on, right? How about getting on the forum and telling them what you think?

>>174908816
Yeah, just like how he listened to the complaint about resources unification
Oh wait

>>174908816
Doesn't he shut out everyone not part of the cheese orgy forum wankfest?
I stopped following ftd when n3x15s got kill because nick was going broke and /egg/ no longer had any idea what the fuck was going on.
t. not him

>>174908816
>How about getting on the forum and telling them what you think?

Like what happened with resource unificacion? No thanks, i won't bother to create an account so they can insult and ban me for not agreeing with them.

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>>174909021
>>174909141
>>174909303
Nick isn't even working on this patch, he's busy with whatever the fuck the other thing is. The forum people are more likely to listen to feedback, and they're the ones in charge at the moment
Getting on the forum and trying to explain why you think it's bad is a much more proactive strategy than sulking in the corner silently simmering with autistic rage

>>174909480
>Getting on the forum and trying to explain why you think it's bad is a much more proactive strategy than sulking in the corner silently simmering with autistic rage
Getting on the forum and telling them why we think it's a bad idea is going to provide the same results that posting them here.

>Nick isn't even working on this patch
Then who's working on it?

>>174909712
Ghosts, summoned by the impending death of ftd, and the birth of definitelynotacloneofFtD

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>>174909712
>Getting on the forum and telling them why we think it's a bad idea is going to provide the same results that posting them here
That's the spirit! Things will surely improve now that you're voicing your opinions on a Vietnamese shadow puppet enthusiast forum

>Then who's working on it?
The same forum fags that usually help balance and rewrite shit. Again, probably more likely to listen than Nick

>>174910181
>The same forum fags that usually help balance and rewrite shit
Oh, you mean, the same guys that make the cheesy vehicles?

Honestly, i don't give a fuck anymore about the game, i've played over 900 hours, so i feel that the 90 hours per dolar ratio i have is more than enough. I've had nothing else to do in the game since the day i built a steam engine to see how they worked. They'll put up a new patch, i'll see what's new, then i'll keep playing other things

>captcha: find saucers
turns out that it wasn't saucers, it was bike wheels :^)

>>174909480
He's just butthurt that nick wouldn't let him on the dev team so he went to make his own game with blackjack and hookers but nobody was interested in that so he's had to change it from a space shooter to a ground based tenk game.

>>174908626
>Npcs
You mean ones you talk to or some shit?
>ropes
Aren't wires just metal ropes? Space engis has wires right?
>compound blocks
What's them?
>females
Lewds when?

Spengo spongo serb is down.

I was almost enjoying my suffering yesterday.

>>174912245
>NPCs
You have peasants that mine things for you
>Ropes
Sponges doesn't have wires, thank fuck for that
>Compound blocks
You can have certain blocks share the same space. This was supposed to be ported to SE, but it never happened because Keen is incontinent

>>174894391
>>174896940
Based Wubes already fixed this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2szk-NuKWg

>>174912571
>incontinent
They do tend to shit everywhere and all over everything every update, don't they>

>>174915754
Their leadershit is very loose, yes

>>174877367
>net force is positive on Z axis
>floats away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZBD2tcKOU4

>>174916843
Why is it so slow?

We should come up with a method of rating /egg/ games. I've got a prototype of it with three categories
>autism
>keencodedness
>physician-friendliness
Autism is how in-depth the engineering is, with something like spongos or empyrion being a 1, chode being a 9, and real life being 10.
Keencodedness is self-explanatory, how glitchy something is. Factorio is probably a 1 since I've never had any issue with it, spongos is obviously 10.
Physician-friendliness is how hard it is to pick up, lego games like robocraft being 1, and chode being 10. 1 doesn't mean easy for physicians, just doable with the slightest amount of patience and willingness to learn.

>>174917662
Cool, let's see here

Empryrion
>A: -2
>KC: a solid 5
>PF: 3 because collision check failures
>bonus round: 10 dings out of 10

>>174917662
that actually sounds pretty gud id be happy with that system

>>174917159
You'd be slow too if you had a skeleton inside you.

>>174917662
Oh physician friendliness should definitely be reversed, since a lower score should be harder. So the system could be (A+PF)/KC for final score maybe.

>>174917662
Infinifactory
>A: 7 (plenty of optimisation/spaghetti options)
>KC: 1
>PF: 3 (simple building system, but difficulty ramps up good after a while)

So it's still a decent game, but not really that /egg/-like.

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>>174918230
But we're rating it for /egg/, and we WANT it to be harder for them

>>174917159
youd be slow too if you were just assembled recently

>>174918382
Alright that makes sense, the harder the game is the longer it lasts. So keep it as is then.

>>174917662
chode
A: 9
KC: 2
PF: 10
Final score:14/20

>>174917662
submitting my scores for factorio
A: 5
KC: 1
PF: 3
Final score 18/20

>>174918790
>>174918835
>not simplifying to a standard 7/10, 9/10

>>174918985
>being confined to a x/10 system
b8/20

requesting factorio 0.15.1 supply drop

>>174919109
Construct additional pylons

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>>174857448
>stop using hydrogen
>we leave
>we die
>we leave again

>>174919108
>implying a base10 system isn't more natural to work with
x/5 is for concision, x/10 is an industry standard and more natural to work with, x/20 is for edgy contrarian faggots.

>>174919268
what about x/100?

>>174919226
>you're an old man's beta testers!
>crashing everyone and everything
>no we're not to blame
>THEN WHO CRASHED THE SERB?

>>174919818
An x.0/10 would do the exact same thing. x/100 is just pedantic.

can i get scores for Space engis, interstellar rift and any other /egg/ game that has base building?

>>174918175
Funny, i don't remember ever being that slow and uncoordinated.
And i have to deal with 80+ kg of flesh around me too

>>174920214
Spengies:

Autism: 3 vanilla, 5 modded
Keencode: 11, namesake
Physician friendly: once you figure out what conveyors are for and why ion thrusters don't work on planets, 1

>>174920434
You seem pretty slow to me, anon.

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>>174920434
THE SKELETON REVEALS HIMSELF

>>174920434
You're a fast skeleton

>>174921945
UU
UU

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>“Have you got ... two mouths?” The small apertures, each bearing four tiny teeth, were widely separated, but Seth couldn’t discern any difference between them.

>“No. One’s for waste.”

>Seth pondered this revelation. “Are you saying that you’ve spent your whole life pissing into my blood?”

>“Where did you expect it to go?”

>“I’m not letting you back.”

Are comic book characters three dimensional?

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5CdbqtIMPsUVGNNWlNaVnY5MUU

FACTORIO SUPPLY DROP INBOUND

99.2.23.32

i've got a server up, see if you can connect to it. not sure if it needs a port.

>>174923968
Sure, let me just load up Sven Co-Op

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My god these things are awesome, you can divide the fluid wagons into three different tanks, each connected to its own pump.

Seems like they also massively increased the capacity of storage tanks as well, its at 25k crude oil right now.

>>174924176
>hm i need to buff these tanks it's a little bit of a hassle with so little, but how should i go about it
>you know what, LETS JUST MULTIPLY IT BY TEN!

>>174924176
>Seems like they also massively increased the capacity of storage tanks as well, its at 25k crude oil right now.
They multiplied all liquid counts by 10. So tanks are 10x as big, but everything also produces and consumes 10x as much. Except for the sulfuric acid recipe, which still takes 10 units of water, and inexplicably turns that into 50 units of acid

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>>174924176
Also boilers
>>174924367
noooooooooooooooooo

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Boat development continues in earnest. Closest is the first production type of the destroyer I'd already shared in the thread. I'm calling it the Kay-Class, having already begun naming equipment and ships after Arthurian legend, it seemed a good fit. It ended up at around 40k resources, but it's a very good multi-purpose destroyer. It's pretty awful against shielded naval craft, though it tends to do well enough to plink flying squirrels out of the air.

After getting proof of concept done for carrier-deck launched, docking station based fighters and then watching them explode for no goddamn reason, I started work on the other two ships visible.

Middle and second closest is a prototype for a missile destroyer/frigate. It's supposed to be a cheaper alternative to the Kay with a bit of a Katyusha flavor to the main armament. Probably going to go nearly unguided for the sake of a larger payload and just spam HE/Frag missiles. Superstructure is super WIP and might get completely redone.

Furthest back is more of a floating rocket-sled than a boat, but I'm calling it the Nimueh. It carries and gathers resources while being difficult to track by either sonar or radar. Completely unarmed, but very maneuverable and a cool 22 m/s for fairly low fuel costs. At 8000ish RP it's also a very affordable transport. In another universe where oil was still a thing, I'd probably be using these a lot going to and from refineries, but since the UNIFYING I'm probably just going to have to have a few to drag resources to forward bases.

>>174925065
are those paddles?

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>>174924367
I do wonder why that was done.
If it god rid of 0.1 units of liquid (which the circuit network registers as 0), then I have an old project to try again.

>>174925339
No, unfortunately no. The barrels had to be made pretty long to get a good engagement range on the secondary cannons. Otherwise, the only weapon the Kay had with any range is the main cannon.

The cannons will likely look less silly on larger craft.

>>174925664
>If it god rid of 0.1 units of liquid
I think that was the goal, yeah

>>174925664
>tutorials for trains and train networks
>still no tutorial on circuit networks
>still no idea on what circuit networks would even be good for
its like they dont understand im retarded about this shit or something

What's this chode you keep talking about?

>>174926431
ask ur mum

>>174926431
Children of a Dead Earth, the closest to actual engineering any game has ever gotten.

>>174914654
>tortillas
This makes me feel better about eating peanut butter tortillas as about a quarter of my food intake. I'll just say that's what spacemen eat.

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>>174926074
>still no idea on what circuit networks would even be good for
Babby's first circuit project (and arguably the most useful thing to do with it) is to regulate the cracking of oil.
Basically, using a wire you connect a liquid storage tank and either a pump or a power switch.
The pump/power switch then enables/disables a group of chemical plants set to crack one oil product.
Once set up, you never have to worry about accidentally cracking all your heavy oil and thus running out of lube for belts or bots.

There's other more advanced uses such as preventing steam engines from running day and night if you're using a hybrid power system.
Another is pic related, where you carefully control the input of raw materials into production, allowing you to use a single belt for both raw material and product.
Currently trending is a similar concept known as "smart smelting", where a group of smelters handles more than just one type of ore based on current demand.
Finally, you can go full autism and play a music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgfwwqwxdxY&t=1s

>upgrading underground belts does the entire pair automatically now
Oh god yes

>>174927109
Muh throughput

>>174927518
You're not getting any higher production off one belt, anon; 40% of the used belt's throughput.
Compare this to an "ideal" setup of two iron belts, three copper belts and two output belts. Your production would then be only two sevenths (less than 29%) of the used belts' throughput.
One-belt is the future of muh throughput.

>>174916148
>the keep upright tool but with hyperbolic rotation and shitloads of torque

>>174927109
>that picture
how autistic do you have to be to-
>that video
what in the god damn

>>174928247
But why do that when you could just do this and expand it until the belts are full?

>>174927109
is there a tut on how to do that pic?

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OH GOD THEY FUCKED UP THE TANK FLAMETHROWER

IT'S USING THE GARBAGE PRE-BUFF VERSION

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>>174930761
Forgot pic of course

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Mini tonks.

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>>174892785
ALERT THE INTERNET

>>174930934
wait theres no shortages of copper wire to circuits with that setup?

>>174930836
> tank uses new flame style

> kills self when you drive over it

think this through, anon.

>>174932289
tanks have like a 95% fire resistance

>>174932157
I never have any issues, but if there are any you could just fix it with appropriate modules

I'm new to factorio and I am experimenting with pollution and I have run into a situation I can't figure out.

I have an Iron deposit that is split between two chunks so I put one electric miner with three efficiency modules in each chunk. There are no other buildings in these chunks. They are both on grass and one chunk has a lot of trees.

Looking at the map with the pollution debug on the electric miner in the tree chunk reads 1.8/-0.080/-0.008 which matches the 1.8 pollution in the tooltip, I assume the -0.080 is the absorption from the trees and the -0.008 is the ground tiles. The second chunk reads ~17/-0/-0.008 and it pushes pollution to adjacent chunks.

Why is one miner causing so much more pollution than another when they both have the same efficiency modules?

Why would this miner

>>174932404
do you really want to lose your tank when you're at 1 HP and drive over fire trying to escape biters?

Oh why did they have to add so many science packs
>labs now need 4 belts each
>logistic system need 150 production science and 150 high tech science aka a ton of steel and a shitload of processing units and speed modules
>tfw its such a pain to route

>>174933756
can't you just load two items per belt?

>>174934012
There are 7 science packs now
>military pack requires gun turrets
>need 200 of them for lasers
AAAAH

>>174934348
Oh fuck me, guess I haven't restarted my client. I'm not even quite ready to start on blue myself.

You can cycle underground belts to get more items running in less width. Labs are long and two underground belt above ground junctions are 4 long so you have a stable oscillation between belts so you can have 4 items running on a belt system that is effectively the same width as a single belt.

You can run two meta belts like this for a total of 8 items which, if I did my math right, is more than 7.

>>174935672
My issue isn't the labs, its all the science packs that need to be made and then somehow get to the labs without robots

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>>174935672
>>174934348
forgot the picture.

>>174935764
>>174935836
damn never mind, I forgot the 7th pack would need a 4th inserter which would need a modified layout.

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>>174925065
>having already begun naming equipment and ships after Arthurian legend
My knigga, I can appreciate a good naming scheme

>>174935764
>space science without robots
Nigga really?

>>174936904
You don't need military science either :^)

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Best I could come up with. Run a single belt beside the meta belt and interlace 3 items on it in a loop so it doesn't back up. Adding a 4th inserter requires halving the number of labs by area.

>>174938747
Why not just run a meta belt on the west side? It just increases the width by one tile compared to a second belt on the east.

0.15.x won't load with High res sprites enabled.

It's set to use all VRAM, but, I've got integrated graphics that often confuse the shit out of games.

Any way to be sure it's using my dedicated card?

>>174939213
Oh because this image would be mirrored on both sides, you have a column of labs on either side of the belt line and then the labs on each side of the belt have another set of labs butted right up against them.

Having a meta belt on the west side with two more inserters solves the loading problem but the space used balloons. In this design you have a 4x3 foot print for each lab and a shared 2 spaces for the belts between columns. If you did a meta belt on each side of a lab the foot print would be 5x3 with another 2 shared. This would mean a complete rebuild of the common space efficient design of most lab clusters.

Certainly a good idea for a new build.

>>174906481
>I thought you'd be happy that they nearly doubled the speed cap for jets so smol plens can go super fast again

I'll take yuge planes running around at stupid velocities for 300, John.

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Guys, it's simple, have red inserters that reach past each other.

>>174940117
>Still breaks the current foot print

It's a good idea though.

>>174933282
any ideas?

>>174940441
Near as I can figure the trees are absorbing most of the pollution output but from what I had heard they weren't that great. The chunk is about 2/3 trees and it reduces the pollution by 90%

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> Damaged items merge into one stack, the health of the stack will be the average of the items.

>>174941851
Damaged walls pissed me off

>>174940117
Why use double long inserters and not just regular inserters, that would keep the width of a system to 10 squares.

>>174942735
You need to pull from both metabelt systems to get all of the new science packs.

4 long inserters pulling from the two meta belts in between two columns of labs is the same width as 4 fast inserters pulling from a meta belt on either side of one column of labs.

Just got Space Engineer for the 70% discount, is it just me or is the optimization and loading times dogshit. I can barely play through the first stage without it stuttering. Should I refund it or will it be fixed down the line?

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What if there was a world with - - - +

>>174943836
It was worse before.
Review the graphics sets.

>>174943965
What if there was only time?

>>174943836
the campaign scenarios are fun but an unoptimized mess. try turning off shadows or just starting a regular world.

>>174940303
>worrying about the footprint
Well, the only thing space science is used for is going infinite. I'd say just set up for 6 science and then just go robo once you're launching rockets.

is there somewhere else but the in game graphics setting to dick around with the gamma settings in spengies?

the alien world is really bright

>>174944536
press f12 if your in a creative world, go to rendering, and search for the option to turn off bloom

>>174944395
I think the original statement was considering how to do it with an already existing layout.

I'm going with the long inserter method myself. Looks cleaner

>>174942195
At several points in my early playing I had full inventories of nothing but 10% health walls. Got so bad I just placed them all down and went to town with a flamethrower.

>>174926074
>still no idea on what circuit networks would even be good for.

* Controlling cracking as mentioned in >>174927109. Put heavy-to-light and light-to-gas cracking plants on power switches connected to the tanks. Only enable the switch if heavy>light or light>gas respectively. This will try to keep all three at the same level, so you don't end up with no gas and unable to produce more because the heavy oil tank is full, etc.

* Making trains leave stations when there's only a trivial amount of ore available (the "inactivity" condition won't trigger if there's a constant trickle of ore being loaded). Wire all the chests together and to the stop. Set the wait condition to "circuit condition".

* Prioritised splitting: connect the two belts coming out of a splitter; set one to read belt contents (hold mode), set the other to enable if quantity>=6. The second belt will only run if the first belt is backing up.

* Storing excess items: you have a belt supplying a row of assemblers. Put an inserter at the end of the belt moving items to a chest. Connect a wire from the inserter to the section of belt before the first assembler, set to read belt contents (hold mode). Enable the inserter if quantity>=6 (i.e. the belt is backing up). So if you're producing faster than you consume, store the excess.

You can do far more complex things, but the above are simple and generally useful.

http://mu6.com/holon_creation.html

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Got the new neculear power going, more straightforward than any mod I've played, which may be a negative to some.

One of the neat things is that it didn't start working till it it 500C, which took about a fuel cell and a third.

Is there a 0.15 serbian for people with /egg/tism?

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Making an auto stabilization system for this is going to suck.

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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2099534-mathematicians-finally-starting-to-understand-epic-abc-proof/
What did they mean by this?

>>174952698
How much power does that setup produce, and how much uranium does it use per hour approximately?

>Literally program for a living
>Circuits are too much of a hassle for me to figure out

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>>174953529
I think it can produce 40 MW, not that my factory can use anywhere near that. That'll probably throw off any estimate of usage, and the production statistics is giving me this graph, so like 3 every ten minuets? That would be around 60 uranium ore every ten minuets +/- your 235 luck stat.

>>174953109
Looks like some shiTR took mossie apart and put it back together while drunk.

>>174953534
Deciders and combinators are your operators and boolean stuff.
Items and signal channels are your variables that carry signal values.

>>174926431
*unzips*

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>>174953189
Basically the same thing as that one motherfucker that painted a canvas white. Important for reasons only known to those deeply autistic to its context.

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>another monday passes with no word at all from Crossouts devs

If you fucks were proud of what you're doing or had any common sense you'd be hyping the shit out of your open beta. Youd have fags out on social media shilling the fuck out of it and having give aways for limited edition special parts and paints. Youd make sure everyone and their mother knew your game is going open beta to the masses.

But nope. Lets stay totally silent about it, so that thew only people who play our game in open beta are the 500 people from closed beta coming back.

>>174956878
They're probably waiting until they have something to show.

playin devils advocate here, I think the game is shit and should fail

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>mining drill productivity +2%

>>174957073
BUt iTs InfinITE, BRO

NEVER qUIT

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>>174958403

So the only ratios that changed with this latest Factorio patch are Boilers and Steam Engines right?

>>174956878
It's in OB?

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>>174956196
>Basically the same thing as that one motherfucker that painted a canvas white

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>>174960410
https://www.sfmoma.org/artwork/98.308.A-C
>Rauschenberg’s primary aim was to create a painting that looked untouched by human hands, as though it had simply arrived in the world fully formed and absolutely pure.

>>174892785
>Train Stop can be disabled using the circuit network. Trains will skip disabled Train Stops, allowing simple train control.
>Added Modulo, Power, Left Bit Shift, Right Bit Shift, Bitwise AND, Bitwise OR and Bitwise XOR to the Arithmetic Combinator.
yes
YES

>>174960471
aka bullshit, just like playing on death world factorio.

>>174958938
the higher difficulty and resource cost factorio starting options forces different ratios onto you.

green circuits take 2 iron and 10 fucking wire on increased costs. *10* fucking wire that's basically impossible to directly insert unless you want to use like 10 long-handed inserters in an L bend around the SINGLE green circuit machine.

>>174960410
>>174960471
I like the idea behind it. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely abhor the chosen medium, but I like the idea.

>>174960817
The medium wasn't the issue, it was the execution. If it, were, say, a depiction of the room it would be displayed in, and the painting in the depiction was white it would be far superior.

>>174960751
>green circuits take 2 iron and 10 fucking wire on increased costs
Welp. So I can't just use previous blueprints?

>>174958938
There are also new science packs and the old ones, green and upward IIRC, have their recipes changed. Also ayy lmao packs are gone.

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>>174933095
>>174930761
>I never have any issues
Then you're not paying close enough attention, or just happen to build very small setups.
Pictured is a 4:5 ratio of electronics:wire, whereas the "correct" ratio is 2:3.
In other words, some of your assemblers are only working part-time - you effectively only have 6.33 green chip assemblers (and 1.66 idle assemblers).

>relying on modules on unfuck an early-game setup
Shit-tier advice.
If you're building this kind of fuckery, then you plan on using modules from the start.

> why do that when you could just do this
Muh throughput.
One-belt is for the most part cheaper, more compact and has higher production compared to the number of belts used.
The advantages of one-belt increases as the goal production increases and belts are upgraded.
Look at your setup: two copper belts, one iron belt and one output belt.
Of the total belt throughput, the output only makes up 25% - versus the onebelt setup which is at 40%

>>174930820
>calculate ratio of raw materials
>setup up combinator counters to keep track of input
>set up belts with logic, so that they do not allow more input if its perturbs ratio of input materials
That's the basics of it. If you fuck up any of the above steps, your build will inevitably go into deadlock.
If you want to do it properly, you'll also need a "pollution filter" and "backlog protection".
The former is pretty simple, and only requires a belt and a filter inserter.
When the belt registers a specific piece of raw material, it stops - letting the inserter remove it. Repeat this for every type of raw material.
The latter keeps an eye on the output bus, and only allows the production to receive new raw material if said bus is empty OR there's significant throughput

>>174961780
>Also ayy lmao packs are gone.
Is there any reason to clear aliens aside from its own sake then?

>>174962664
No.

>>174962664
Is the fact that they're xenos not enough?

>>174963050
Better to spend resources on Satellites to kill more important Xenos than Xenos too stupid to leave their Hovel.

>>174936221
run it on the other side then?

Is there a way to play the Tight Spot scenario in coop? Also is it any good?

What's the word for the acronym that goes in front of ship names?
Like HMS, USS, UNC, etc.

Also what would be a good set of /egg/ ones?
I got a few ideas knocking around my head but I'm not good with this shit.

>>174963584
That's borderline xenophilia famalam.

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>>174967520
NTS, NSS
NT#1

>>174967520
>What's the word for the acronym that goes in front of ship names?
If you can't figure this one out on your own, then you're too dumb to understand an explanation.
Fire up the search engines, physician. HINT: Start with what you already know

>Also what would be a good set of /egg/ ones?
CBH - Claimed by Him

>>174892785
>added infinite researches
>achievement: research EVERYTHING

what the fuck

The marathon mode in Factorio is retarded.
ETA of logistics 1 and automation 1 sitting around 1 hour.

>>174967520
Searched them, found a list a LOT longer than I was expecting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_prefix

Whatever you pick, I advise just making sure you use consistent ones if you're making a fleet.

As for /egg/, I say we choose a fictional series' one (there's a list in that Wiki page for different series, and Wing Commander is there so I say we use TCS).

>>174968127
it's not retarded

if you run serber with 100 mongols on it

>>174950956
Another cool thing to do would be to hook up an alarm system to how much fuel you've got left

Or how much power you've got left on your accumulators
Stuff like that

>>174967520
I named my ships with japanese names cuz weeb. Since the imperial navy didn't use acronyms, I don't use them either.

>alien bases now drop nothing
>aliens are literally just a worthless annoyance

>>174973674
Just like in real life.

>>174972480
>ijn

>>174973765
officially, they don't have acronym, same with the German Kriegsmarine.

Example is like Kongou-class Kongou battleship, IJN is only used by western historians as an equal designation.

>>174973674
Good fuck em, I always wanted to be
Not
Exploring or
Expanding
Throughout the world

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>>174956196
Not really.

>>174953189
That sounds like wankery about the subject of wankery. Mathematicians mathematicianing mathematics. The proof of some very specific problem in number theory that doesn't have much purpose outside of mathematical analysis. It has more worth than non-art, that's for sure, but that worth is entirely academic, and academic in a niche way at that. Its results might prove to have a real life application but, by itself, it's important only in its very specific field.
As in, you shouldn't give a rat's ass unless you're a mathematician.

>>174974081
Kongoo

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>>174977260
Kon-go-fuck-yourself.

That thing is a pain in the ass to deal with in WoWs.

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>>174975734
>Not really.

>aaaww shit nigga we can PROVE without a shadow of a doubt a + b = c!!!

>this is useful to anyone

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>>174977880
Maybe you should actually look up what the ABC conjecture is. a + b = c is only the relation between the chosen base primes of the conjecture, and not even remotely its point.
And have I said that it is useful to anyone, you retarded fucking ape? No, I specifically said that it's only useful to other academics, but that its result may become useful. It could find use in NP-hard computational problems, for example. Anything concerning progress in number theory also concerns computational theory.

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>>174978568
>I specifically said that it's only useful to other academics

>Important for reasons only known to those deeply autistic to its context.

>>174978568
nerd

>>174977260
dess

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civil engineering game with proper engineering and not just logistics when

Marathon serb when

>>174980272
>CHODE-tier minmaxing
>Power lines keep shorting because you chose the cheap materials during production

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>>174980272
Power net management game when

>>174963584
Suffer not the alien menace we all know this anon

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>>174953042
198.27.87.101
password: clang

Pic related, it's the map as of 15 minutes ago

>>174961231
That's only if you're playing on marathon/deathworld mode, with expensive recipes.

>>174968127
It also makes the "lazy bastard" achievement literally impossible. So no 100% achievement deathworld runs. This is not a bug, according to the devs.

>>174981993
Thanks. stealing .1 so I can join you.

>>174981251
>Small scattering of 'superb' resources in lines down the middle of the mainland
Intredasting
Not a burger, what's the geography in those areas?

>>174981251
>game where you alternate between a strategic and a tactical mode, placing quick-start and base-load power plants and routing/provisioning power lines in strategic, then having to deal with crises/natural disasters/superbowls in the tactical
BASED

>>174982545
I only know the colorado (the lower part) portion of that "superb" line; that's where you finally leave the rockies and enter the "great plains"

there's like a mile or more of mountains that drop off relatively quickly.

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>>174982903
Wikipedia backs me up.

I assumed we'd use either ADF, WBS or 4CSS.

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>>174983115
>>174982903
>Superb winds on the east side of the rockies
>US winds apparently blow west to east usually
I... don't fully understand
Is that denser air from the top of the mountains descending into the areas we can actually harness it or something weird?

>>174983646
possibly day-night cycling?

the albedo difference and total received power difference is probably pretty big

>portable solar panels still literally useless
For what purpose

It just pushed anything fun with modular armor until end game

So what's the most autistic layout for the new boilers

>Added the Programmable Speaker
It's time

>>174983115
>rocky mountains
>blue river
who the fuck is in charge of naming shit in americas and why wasn't he fired

>>174983646
First guess is that it's a case of Bernoulli's equation.
Wind on the western side is compressed and pushed over the mountains, resulting in high pressure/low velocity.
When said wind "expands" on the eastern side, pressure drops and velocity picks up.

>t. not really chemical engineer with no idea about how weather works

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>Factorio 0.15

So does anyone know what the "Technology difficulty" does exactly?
Recipe difficulty affects recipes for everything, science cost multiplier affects the actual costs for research. I havent noticed any changes in tech tree structure or pack type requirements.

Is it there just as a placeholder?

>>174990893
Research time increase?

>>174990893
It's just how many science packs you need for each research, literally a multiplier.

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>>174988632
Supposedly the new ratio is 1 Pump : 20 Boilers : 40 Engines

Got image related from steam forums.

Assuming inserters can still pull fuel from boilers, then one could still have boilers in rows where each row is the fuel source for the next until the throughput of your inserters, belts, or fuel production becomes a bottleneck.

>>174991385
Thank you

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The new recipe difficulties are fun, takes a lot of time to progress, and you need to set up more than the regular 5 red 6 green 12 blue science assemblers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o

>>174990365
I suppose that's part of it, but I'd need a weather expert to tell me what the rest of the air was doing above it to cause a higher speed on the east side.

>t. guy who did chemeng course for a year before realising there was no chemistry involved and was just slightly altered regular engineering then dropping it after failing 2nd year/boredom/health issues

>>174962664
They are evil. They attack on sight and feed on pollutants to become more aggressive.

>>174965437
Running it on the other side and using a two deep long inserter set up were discussed as the best options but the original goal was to keep the same foot print of the old lab layout which doesn't seem like an option without dropping half the labs for inserters on the sides or without possibly slowing research by using 1 belt for 3 items.

>>174991079
No, thats what the multiplier is there for.

>>174991002
Huh, that is possible, so far i've only been checking things that you can see at game start (and with tech unlock code to see recipes)

>>174991385
ah coool ~1.4:1 was stupid. I never understood why so many people did long lines of steam engines connected together end to end. I always went width wise parallel to the lake edge so it took up less usable space and didn't create a big unpassable segment.

Is this a boiler rework or a new rank II boiler?

>>174993879
rework

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r8 my spaghetti

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>>174994156
cable managed like I want the inside of my computer/10

>>174994156
It's beautiful.

Am I the only one that hates the current direction of adding more and more game modes? It makes the game much more fragmented. There's no way to compare two factories anymore.

They should just decide how the game is meant to be played and maybe give us five preset options. Not only do we now have settings for pollution, enemy expansion, even recipe and research difficulties.

I don't want to spend hours tweaking the settings of a game. The devs should do their job and give me a balanced map right from the start.

>>174996153
physicians get out ree

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http://archive.is/J84fN
>330 volts for a drill motor

>>174893916
>the trainstops can be shut down by wires and all trains ignore them

How do you use this? Suppose I have 5 ore trains that I want to direct to one of 10 different ore consumers depending on which currently has demand. If one of the consumers switches from disabled to enabled, all 5 ore trains will start heading towards it all at once and get into a jam. Not ideal. I want some method to get how many trains are currently heading towards a station for this to be good.

>>174997052
>How do you use this?
by enabling and disabling loading stations

>>174997121

I see how it's useful if you want one train to service multiple mines, but I don't care about that so much. I'm much more interested in having one mine service multiple consumers.

>>174997052
You can add a wait condition for the trains to start driving when a signal tells them to.

>>174997052
>get into a jam
then u shit at trains, mate

>>174994156
retard using windows 10/10

HOW DO YOU DO GREEN CIRCUITS ON HARD

5:1 ratio is killing me, how the fuck are you supposed to do that

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>>174997479
like this

>>174997337

It's not a jam so much as an incorrect allocation. If I have 5 mining stations, 5 trains (one for each station) and 10 production stations, if two production stations require more ore (and the other 8 are idle), I would like 2 trains to go to one production station, and 3 to the other. But if I only control train destination, and if all trains have copied orders (so that their possible destinations are all listed in the same order) then if I control train destination only by enable/disable state of stations, all 5 trains will incorrectly go to 1 station. This is not ideal.

>>174962664
>Is there any reason to clear aliens aside from its own sake then?
>>174973674

land claiming, dummies

however, it would've been nice if they simply made it have a fuel cost, and/or be broken down into uranium (so you could recycle it to fuel, or recover any uranium ammunition you used to kill the buildings with)

>>174994156
kys/10

>>174996153
yes, you are the only one who hates fun

>>174997770
That's just horrible, even my makeshift good enough solution is better than this. That thing has to stall so much

>>174997974
I don't think it should, as long as the conveyor carrying copper wire has enough bandwidth is good enough it should be fine. It could be a bit more efficient space-wise but that's not really a concern here.

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>>174997479
>>174997770
>>174997974
>>174998376

Ok I made this, still stalls a little bit, but you probably can't do better for early game.

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>>174997974
>thinking a retarded windows 10 user could ever come up with anything even remotely efficient or coherent

Killing ayyliens feels shitty with no tangible immediate reward from it.