/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

EVADING HOSTILE FLEET

>>174818046
>"When an AI-piloted, human colonist ship from the United Nations of Earth malfunctioned before reaching its destination, the emergency override systems activated and awoke the crew from their cryosleep modules. The ship crash-landed on an uncharted world with no casualties and few injuries, given the courageous efforts from the commander and pilots who took over. Since all communication functions aboard were irreparably damaged in the accident, these humans were completely isolated from Earth. The ship's AI - which held in its archives vast information about humanity and its accumulated knowledge - was salvaged however, which made it the perfect teacher for new generations of people born on the new world, the Alarians. The mentoring and guidance from this AI was vital for these humans to prosper on their new home, bootstrapping a scientifically oriented society in a matter of a few centuries."

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>>174810190
I'm thinking
>Simple Naval Doctrine
Default Early game doctrine, little coordination between ship captains
>Strategic Defense Doctrine
Early defensive doctrine, ALL stations are more durable/deal more damage, ships have combat bonuses within your borders
>Attrition Warfare doctrine
Ships have bonuses vs mining and research stations, better FTL retreat, faster ship build speed to replace losses better than the enemy
>Indirect Approach doctrine
Faster ships, cruisers and corvettes have significant combat/evasion bonuses, better damage vs stations, much better FTL retreats. hit and run mixed with attritional warfare.
>Battlespace Destruction Doctrine
Destroy the enemy's fleets in pitched battles. PD/flak does better against craft/missles, ships have longer ranges, better armor. Admirals can command more ships in a fleet.
>Carrier Supremacy Doctrine
Fleets revolve around carriers ala IRL carrier task forces. Strike craft have much more evasion, speed, and damage; Carriers replace strike craft losses much faster. Carrier support aura (within this strike craft get even more bonuses) is larger. this doctrine is coupled with an overhaul of how strike craft work: they can launch as soon as the fleet enters an enemy system and engage targets on the other side of the solar sytem.
>>174811376
yeah and the AI could act based on what fleet doctrine it chooses. if it took the indirect approach it would focus on taking out your economic stations before engaging one of your fleets for example.

is there a way to completely wipe out a faction? simply having an active egalitarian faction and no other factors attracts 16% of my pops

>>174818335
Best you can do as far as I know is supressing them and investing in +Ethics Convergence Buildings/Reeducation Edicts

>>174818335
Enslaved pops can't join a faction and caste system lets you effectively choose which pops to enslave.

>>174818046
Post your favorite songs from 4X games
I'll start with Stellaris I guess

https://youtu.be/tjbVIvjVMOk

>>174818751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxXDHegbpt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNoy6AJ3-HY

>>174818820
Holy shit that Australia one is beautiful

>>174818654
Will the faction cease to exist once it has 0 members or will pops still randomly join?

>>174818751
Not 4X but Paradox

Rome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elK5iReyAMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5N0-DqZoU

EU3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cCB7nrhaKE

V2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOS1xBqWYxU

HOI3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNsI5eBn2gI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0dso2bPoA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPjSTAW7bpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzpbCVH1Kfw

CK2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tq5vaCzh7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DD_NR8fIpw

EU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpsCFt6KVtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRbGl9lbN18

Stellaris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSKjyo6b6FM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue3GWx2ItWI

HOI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ZRBmik5DI

>>174818820
Also this from Civ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnSyocyljzY

>>174818751

>Stellaris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWOQOwOnwAg

>Civ 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErUJsF1vJ9k

>Does Total War count?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3outQoC4qiA

>>174818971
Some of the civ 6 atomic themes are really good and the australia one really takes the cake. Its so hopeful and feels like you've built a great a country when it plays.

>>174819040
It ceases to exist if it has 0 members, and thus they lose the x2 attraction.

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>>174818046
Looking for some recommendations senpaitachi

Im a big fan of horror themes, fighting against fucked up monsters and stuff like that, any turn based or real-time strategy games like that youd recommend?
In return I give you a funny picture

>>174819213
That's a really funny picture! Do you mind if I save it, anon?

Do carrier fleets work in Stellaris or are they shit like missiles?

>>174819213
I really feel for that intern.

>>174818751

Endless Legend isn't even the best 4X, but it does have the best theme and music out of any 4X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_r19nEnt6s

>>174819357

>Can it be shot down by point defense?

If you answered yes, it's SHIT.

>>174819213
Darkest Dungeon
Sunless Sea

what do you edit in the save file to change your flag mid game?

>>174819439
>lets add something to the game that hard counters several weapon types comes super early and can be easily spammed
They can't keep getting away with this.

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>play with some bad traits mod
>pick -20 lifespan

This is gonna be not fun

empire trait suggestions for a new player? government, racials, weapons, ftl method, etc

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>>174818751
>>174819428
https://youtu.be/Wu-zLip6tkI

https://youtu.be/PHyw9agRCZQ

https://youtu.be/12x8EANwK-I

>>174818751
It's the most obvious pick ever but it's still my favourite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noneMROp_E8

>>174819657
Fun fact the minium age a leader can live to is 74 so with your -20 thats 54. In other words thats the youngest they can die you have some great luck friend.

>>174819728
I love the main theme from Civ 6. The soundtrack is probably the best thing about that otherwise medicore game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQYN2P3E06s

>>174819657
On the brightside you have a great reason to buy enclave scientists, because lets face it, you'll be lucky to have a level 4 scientist for a year.

>>174819439
Couldn't PD be defeated with Swarmer Missiles if employed in big enough numbers?

I think biggest problem with missiles was that they all target one ship causing overkill and wasted dps as spare missiles disappear instead of seeking new targets

>>174819585
Regular PD is actually decently balanced honestly, missiles and strike craft still need buffing but its not as bad as people make it out to be. Flak on the other hand is OP as shit and needs a fucking huge nerf or just straight up removal honestly.

>>174820078
If you need to waste large amounts of slots to counter something you're better off just going for the other thing.

That and the overkill.

SOMEONE RECOMMEND ME MODS

Why would someone build a fucking dyson spere?
i bet its cheaper to invade fallen empire

>>174819962
I'd say its a good game now after the patches, not Civ 5 complete good but good.

>>174820269
It's fucking awful, you might as well build habitats with how good their energy generation can be

>>174820269
Because it feels kind of cool, literally no other reason.

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>play as fanatic purifiers
>immediately go after egalitarian materialist (as in, before the first year is over)
>he not only has enough minerals to constantly outbuild me, but also has more naval capacity
this is blatant cheating

>>174820546
>he fell for the advanced AI starts meme

>>174820546

>go attack someone who probably only has a spaceport with no more than a few corvettes

you're a fucking moron

>>174820546
>not scouting them before attacking
FOR WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE

>>174820546
That's what you get for hating freedom, bud.

>>174820269
I modded it so they take half the time to build and produce 1k energy at completion. It feels a tad OP now but I mean come on its a mega structure it should have a point to being built rather then just cause I can. And yes I know in real life the dyson sphere is pointless since the energy to make one would take more then you would get out.

>>174820743

Who cares if it's OP, for 4 trait points and 200k minerals it better fuckin be.

>>174820546
How did you plan to win in the first place? The spaceport by itself is still like 1k fleet power at least. Even if he just sat there and did nothing you would had lost.
>>174820835
Sorta my logic by the time you can make them you dont need them and all the mega structures arent really worth it even if they were available earlier.

>>174820743
I don't think thats OP, they take so much effort to get that thats reasonable.

Playing my first game in Stellaris.
Is it worth building older hulls when you unlock a larger size?
Also stack all my fleet into one force or spread it out?

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>>174820606
no advanced AI start, just blatant cheating

>>174820615
I'm aiming for subjugation, and I already have 10% warscore from waylaying his science ships

>>174820914
I don't plan on hitting the planet. I want to take out as many science/construction ships as I can to subjugate him

>>174821026
Yes you need a good fleet balance and Corvettes and Cruisers are the best ships in the games.

>>174819657
I do everything in my power to make the leader of my empire live as long as possible. So far I've managed 197 years through repeatable techs and edicting social research grants. Probably should try psi chosen one or to make them a synth but that would feel like cheating.

Wish existing leaders could be genemoded.

>>174821074
>he fell for the subjugation meme

When I embrace a faction for an ethic I already have, it will make it fanatic, right?
Will that weaken another ethic, or can I have two fanatic ethics with this?

>2231 ad
>forgot to change ship prefix

Might as well restart desu

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[fear intensifies]

>>174821337
What the fuck?

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>>174821337
>Post-Synthetic

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>>174821337
>1337

>the happy starfish slug molluscoid waves at you

>>174821572
>it's a fanatical purifier

>>174821572
>fanatical purifiers

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>>174821626
Still too cute to hate.

Do you guys play with the AI using your custom made empires, or do you always let it be random?

>>174820914
>How did you plan to win in the first place
If you kill his 1 ship fleet time after time you will get warscore from battles to a point when AI surrenders

>>174818046
>no Kumo
Aaaw...

>>174821026
Doomstack is the best way to play. Here's combat 101 for every single encounter in the game
>play cat and mouse with enemy doomstack until catching and killing them
>have transport doomstack follow your main fleet doomstack
>capture planets one by one (no need to leave occupation force or micro separate transport fleets as the AI is too slow and stupid to recapture them)
Remember to stick an admiral to your main fleet and general to transport fleet. They provide massive bonuses.

Also, when are they going to allow sticking transport fleets into main fleets directly? It's boring to micro them separately, but if you have them on auto-follow they'll always jump slightly behind and it's easy for them to get locked into battle and get fucked in less than a second. Or better yet, improve shipbuilding and allow sticking transport modules on proper ships akin to Distant Worlds.

>>174821687

Always random. It's very cool seeing a species you created spawn as a Fallen Empire, though.

>>174821337
purge

>>174818046
Why are Fanatical Purifiers such pussies?

not once have i had a game where they actually become a threat, they always get rekt before mid game even comes.

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>>174821661

>>174821337

Is that genetically engineered THEN synthed?

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>dead at 40

This -20 lifespan trait was a mistake

>>174822023
Because in early game everyone has at least 1 defensive alliance. Fanatical purifiers never conduct meaningful diplomacy. So the poor AI bastard is forced to have no allies if anyone attacks them and if they attack the AI has to fight 2v1 and of course the AI is to dumb to pull that off.

>>174822141
Fleeting is a trap.

>>174822023
I tried played Purifiers once myself. Their biggest issue is permanent -1000 relationship with every other empire, meaning instead of being warmongers themselves, the contrary happens and every single one of their neighbors declares war on them simultaneously. You'll be getting shitton of defensive wars from the start.

As a player you can easily work around this, but the AI can't handle being fucked from all angles.

>>174822141
You're quite unlucky, my species has that trait but scientists rarely ever died.

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>>174822353

It's not fleeting m8, it's advanced fleeting

>>174822094
I guess so; I left an endgame running in observe for 300 years with a federation and migration treaties and this thing popped up in a member's territory.

>>174822483
Oh dear.

>>174822365
>>174822320

They either need to somehow buff the AI for fanatical purifiers (maybe give them advanced starts by default) or fucking nerf the amount of Defensive pacts the AI make with each other.

Probably the latter since the AI is sooo damn eager to make defensive pacts that it literally brings the entire game to an almost permanent standstill

Do I need to do anything beyond selecting mods in the launcher to get them to work or is the "achievements enabled" lying to me?

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>>174821661
>small cute mouth starts to extend

>>174822810
Just make it so AI fanatical empire are advanced start theres no other way to give them a chance.
>>174822931
You should be able to tell really quick if your mod of choice is working just so you know UI and graphical changes will allow achievements.

>>174823041

That fish is a fucking moron

>>174823128
It's paralyzed.

>>174823128
The snail is venomous.

>>174823157
>>174823207

Oh god that's terrible, sorry fishbro

>>174823128
It's a fanatic pacifist.

>>174823086
Thanks anon, I went into the game and the mods were active. The Achievements enabled thing must be broken.

>>174823041
that's fucking disgusting

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>>174822023
>make an edgy as fuck race of Psychic Vampires for RP reasons
>Make them Fanatical Purifiers to provide my games with the idea of having an ever present adversary/threat to the galaxy
>they always get gang banged out of existence before mid game even comes.

Seriously Paradox?

>>174821291
please respond

>>174823429
>make purifiers
>win faster than any game I've ever done due to fleet bonuses etc

>>174823429
git gud

Genders when?
I want to enslave all female and purge anyone who is not male or female.

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>>174823415

Why the FUCK is everything so slow at sublight? That and the fact that fleets enter a system at completely opposite ends is why combat is so fucking tedious.

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>>174823290

>>174824638
>Why the FUCK is everything so slow at sublight?
Space is fucking big.

>>174824905
Stellaris is not to scale

>>174824909
Send them some cloth.

>pre-FTL species can nuke planets into Tomb Worlds
>Prethoryn can infest worlds and turn them Barren
>End of the Cycle can turn worlds permanently uninhabitable as well
>Playable empires can't fuck up planets
When and how much are we going to have to pay to get Exterminatus?

>>174824010
It'll weaken the other.

>>174824905
Even at sublight it shouldn't take multiple months for a fucking stellar empire to move a fleet across its system. It's like they're no faster than our shitty ships.

>>174825115

I'm hoping the new Hive civics in 1.6 let you zerg out planets ala Prethoryn

>>174825354
>It's like they're no faster than our shitty ships.
Our ships needs month to get to nearest planet and decades to get to a point we can consider outside of gravity well

As a fanatical purifier, should I be ceding planets as war goals? What happens if I do, cause the population will start purging, and they all eventually die, but does the colony despawn after or am I stuck with them?

>>174821572
>>174821626
>>174821630
>>174821661
>SQUALLIA!~

>>174818046
Re. Ship guide

I would replace the L section on the cruiser with an M section, and have a Flak and a Kinetic instead. Cruisers being relatively forward, the flak will shred all fighters and missiles, and it together with the kinetic will help against enemy corvettes.

>>174825354
If you were going at the speed of light it would take you about 5 hours to get from pluto to the sun so figure in stellaris about 14 hours from entrance of a star system to get to the other side. So figure in stellaris you are going pretty close to the speed of light maybe 90% even Space is fuckin huge bro.

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I'm roleplaying a space-faring Roman Empire, enslaving other races and what not. Which ascension path fits the Romans best, psionic or genetic ascension?

>>174825784
PURE
ROMAN

>>174825784

Aahhhhh, Rome

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wat do

>>174825784
Consecrated world?

>>174825784
Probably genetic for better slave breeding.

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Why are the crisis's such shit?
Xenopobe woke first, then Xenophille in reaction. There were 3 little nations in the middle there that started the unalligned faction, even though they were all weak as shit. So I declined to join them.
After 30 years fucking nothing happening, then unbidden pop in the middle of unaligned, eat of of them and then just fucking sit for the past 20. Defder popped 10 years in, and he hasn't done shit either except colonize a single planet.

I wanted a fucking fight. This is just pitiful.

Is there a mod for Stellaris that just gets rid of the core sector planet cap? Sectors are absolutely fucking retarded and the cap in the first place feels like nothing more than a fun cap, I'd rather not be limited to 5 planets for a century while everybody else expands to every planet they can colonize and even then only moving it up 1 planet at a time just does not work for me. So is there a mod that just gets rid of it or puts it so ridiculously high you could never reach it?

>>174826240
Tfw you are sitting on a galactic powder keg is the bfw

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>>174821074
problem solved
time to snowball out of control

How many colonies and minerals/month you go for before building fleet in the early game?

>>174826570
It's in defines, you don't really need a mod.

>>174826570

Just edit defines.txt in /common.

>>174826570
CORE_SECTOR_SYSTEM_CAP = 1000

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>Start one warp jump from another empire.

planetary survey corps should be removed or reworked

alternatively, should I vassalize or make these chumps a tributary?

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When does "endgame" start? Is there a fixed date or does it depend on factions' technological progress?

Also, does the game just end when you reach the victory condition or does the crisis start when someone reaches the victory condition? Because there's this federation that's aligned with my ethos and are friendly towards me that controls a bunch of the galaxy, and I'm pretty sure if I join them it might be insta-GG from the territory controlled by all.

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>one of my vassals has a primitive species in their territory
>can't build observation outpost in a vassal's territory
>can't demand that one system from my vassal without integrating them completely
>can't even trade for that system

>>174826801
>game feature is poorly implemented without thought
News at 11

>>174826792
midgame and endgame are completely relative

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>>174826789
nice image retard

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Looking for some of you fags to play stellaris utopia with, add http://steamcommunity.com/id/ Dr_Pavel_Im_CIA/

>>174825784
Psionic, you can RP it as praying to the Gods to acquire blessings

>>174826648
>>174826690
>>174826765
Thank you, seriously you have no idea how much this is going to help my autism to be able to micromanage all of my planets.

>>174826792
crises and FEs awakening

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did the stellaris expansion add more alien races? did it add an aquatic family of races? where can i see them?

>>174827198
Meme names are a big red flag

How much faster is Extermination than Forced Labor to kill stuff off?

>>174827478
it added no new portraits

>>174827478
goddamn I love this bitch
I've been fapping to her for years
at first she only did softcore lesbian shit
now she gags and rides 5 cocks at once
and like a champ

>>174827517
Much faster, but doesn't give you resources

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>>174827594
fucking lame, i want like.... fish people and whale people.

are there mods for this game?

>>174827614
(Name?)

>>174827507
In what way? I've played MP with him in the past and had fun. We need more people for MP sessions cause our third guy hasn't shown up for ages and we really want to play Utopia.

>>174827785
Kagney Lynn Karter

>>174827793
Hey green

>>174827714
There's plenty of mods, and they're easy to find.

>>174827793
how does your MPs usually play out?
you duke it out between yourselves or just ally and conquer together?

>>174827981
We haven't really played much due to schedule stuff and then 1.5 being announced we sorta lost the drive to continue our session til it came out. But we ended up allying among ourselves to fight stronger AI enemies. Could go any which way really, PvP or Co-op. None of us are super good at the game exactly, we're not super competitive, we're just looking to have a good time since playing with people is way more fun.

>>174827981
last time we were teaming up, this time we'll probably do some fighting if we have more people

>>174825779
>14 hours
Too bad it takes over a month instead of most of a day, then.

Does building a ring world destroy the planets in a system?

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Are there any purely graphical models that make the galaxy not look like shit?

I mean look at the fucking galactic core.

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uhhhh
this has been stuck at 3 since pretty much just after the start of the game
I already explored 95% of the galaxy

how come

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Why do I need egalitarian to give my own species utopian living standards?
It wouldn't even be egalitarian of me to give my own species Utopian standards and have everyone else live in slums.

>>174828501
If all of the anomalies have been discovered you'll start getting events that give you them.

>>174828547
Because the rich already have utopian living standards regardless of what you give them, utopian living standards is giving everyone of that species them.

>>174828547

>get rid of collectivist-isolationist clash
>replace it with something that makes as little sense

one day they'll get it

They really should just drop the ethics "wheel" and its opposing bullshit though desu

>>174828547
Because paradox likes to wank about how much better egalitarian is than authoritarian. They give egalitarians great unique bonuses and ruin the stuff that made authoritarians playable.

>>174828547
egalitarians are dumb that's why

>>174826792
Mid- endgame is just term for slog once all the available space gets used and you just hole up if Pacifist, or otherwise expand through military.
Victory conditions are also completely separate from actual gameplay. Fulfilling one just results into receiving "YOU WIN" message and the game asks whether you want to continue playing or quit to main menu. That's it.

Crisis stuff I think depends on time / overall empire development / how big fleets normal empires start to field. Possible stuff is
>Fallen Empires Awakening: they start subjugating other empires in different ways depending on their ethos, if there's more than one and they have opposing ethos to each other it's likely they start a War in Heaven, forcing the rest of the galaxy to choose a side or try to stay independent
>3 mutually exclusive crises: AI rebellion (someone researched AI and uses synths) / Unbidden (someone researched and uses Jump Drive) / Prethoryn (no requirements); which one you get is random
>End of the Cycle: Special crisis if you take Psionic Ascendancy path, contact the Shroud, get a very small chance RNG event where you're offered MASSIVE bonuses to everything and have to pay the price after 50 years. Very rare and extremely difficult.

>>174828395
Yes.

Is the end game crisis adjusted to galaxy size?

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I want to edit the normal difficulty setting for stellaris. Where is this kept?

Usually paradox has it in the common folder but I can't find anything like the traditional static modifiers text

>>174828745
Authoritarian is better anyway, caste system is great and not needing to allow migration makes things a lot easier.

>>174826792
There's no real hard definitions, but there's definite shifts in gameplay. Mid game is what people call the big slow down that happens after you explore all the nearby worlds and complete all the major event chains, encounter most of the factions and alien monsters etc. Basically when there's nothing left to do but gradually wait for your planets to fill up with pops and for research to complete. During the mid game, your only real actions are going to be occasionally building/upgrading something on a planet tile or waging wars against your neighbors. At this point you will control enough systems and have high enough resource income that you no longer have to focus on managing your resources and can just queue up mining/research stations and planetary buildings without much worry.

Late game is after a lot of the big research finishes, you have T4 and T5 techs, probably at least 1 or 2 steps down one of the major ascension paths if you opted for one. You will probably have jump drives at this point, and maybe have taken out a few of the leviathans.

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>get all 6 cybrex artifacts
>cybrex alpha is inside a fallen empire's borders

>>174829167
You know what you have to do

>>174829167

At least if it's not a xenophile one nobody will ever get it before you.

Can someone host Steamfix Stellaris MP?

>>174828819
Not to my knowledge. Fallen/Awakened Empires don't scale either, which makes playing on a Tiny/Small galaxy sort of bullshit.

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>>174829130
>>174828771
>>174827352
>>174826895
Thank you for the replies

Three other questions

1. For Leviathan events such as the Dreadnought, should I wait to kill them until I have Jump Drives so that the recovered Dreadnought also has jump drives, or does that not matter?

2. Until how long can you play after the victory screen? Is it infinite?

3. Is 40 planets too wide for a science-focused empire? Should I gift/vassalize stuff? For my first Ascencion perk I went for +5 Core Systems because the sectors were fucking me over super bad and not doing anything right

>>174828618
Until one inevitably glitches and you don't get an anomaly to appear.

>>174829167
I can't believe they added in events that'll get you the precursor artifacts, but they didn't fix this

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>>174829209
die instantly to a force that's roughly 188 times bigger?

>>174829228
pic related

>>174829517

You should be able to scan it safely then. Just hurry incase some random faggot xeno beats you.

The worst thing is is it's Cybrex. That shit spawns in your empire, the ringworld gives you basically free access to mega engineering the instant you get the pre-reqs.

>be fanatic purifiers
>already have cruisers in the 2050s
>probably twice as much fleet capacity as any other empire
>building up to invade faggots near me
>other faggots declare war
>quit

Reee just let me murder those other guys you fuckers

>>174828270
In case your curious even if they were going 1% the speed of light that would be mind bogglingly fast for us.

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>purge complete

its beautiful

Smelly dumb Blorg skum

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>>174823041
This is why I'm fanatic purifier. What we'll find out there is human-sized versions of this shit, and those fucking insects that paralyse you and inject their larvae to slowly eat you from the inside out over the course of weeks.

Galaxy must be clensed and terraformed.

>>174825779

The systems aren't to scale and there are systems much smaller than ours. That TRAPPIST system they recently found has 7 planets and they are all closer to their star than Mercury is to the sun.

>tfw your empire starts starving after your 25 slot-filled planet is finally purged of all the ayys set to processing

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>force military isolationist fallen empire to give all their territory to my protectorate for shits and giggles
>the cute enigmatic observer gecko fallen empire that pretty much took care of me like a baby at the start suddenly starts acting weird
>don't want to have to annex them too

What happens if you vassalize a fanatic purifier? Do they behave?

>>174830702
They get really angry in the diplomacy screen and will stay disloyal because -1000

Is there anyway i can takeover someones empire peacefully? i thought inviting them to a federation will do

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>>174829451

>>174831231
Request them to be your Vassal then integrate.

What's the best way about clearing out the sanctuary system early? Snipe with battleships?

>can deactivate planetary buildings even though you probably would never have to
>can't deactivate military bases without scrapping them
GENIUS

>>174826801
>>174826867
>Vassalize someone, then integrate, they accepted rebels, so they had a shared system
>Its on the other side of some xenophobic fucks and right next federation member
>Dont want it
>Cant trade it with anyone but the xenophobes that share the system

>>174828735
Individualism anon, not isolationist.
Authoritatian-Egalitarian is even worse though.

>>174830702
They're always fucked off at you but won't revolt unless your fleet gets wiped. In that case your probably fucked anyway.

>Want to build a ringworld just because I can.
>Maybe make it my new capitol.
>Have no idea where to put it.
Where do you guys like to build your extraneous ringworlds?

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>built too tall
>bored out of my mind
>finally something happens! unbidden-chan is here!
>
>
>they get curbstomped by my fleet
that's it huh?

>>174831998
...Yep.

>>174831882
On top of a frontier outpost so you can delete it?

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It's fun to genetically engineer the perfect slaves

>>174830510
>using your weapon as a club
>hitting this with the upper receiver, fucking up your sighting system

End yourself.

>>174832234
I use habitats for that. It's like, why the fuck do I want my ring worlds out in the middle of nowhere next to enemy empires and not at the center of my civilization?

>>174823429
Start out as agrarian pacifists, then have a government overhaul that turns you into fanatic purifiers. RP harder for greater minmax.

>>174832680
I think he means that it's a force-spawned custom AI empire.

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>>174832342
>no prole
>perfect slave

>>174832596

Then put in in the most easily defended part of your empire , or in the end star of a galactic arm

>>174832882
Oh.

Then mod in some buffs.

Lads, I want to do a game of Stellaris where every empire is a different forced custom human empire.

I have two questions.

1) Is it possible to force a specific species for FE?
I want to do a single FE being precursor Sol humans who seeded human life all across the galaxy

2) Any specific ethics for the human empires?
For reference, there are 48 possible double ethics (F+nF) and 32 possible triple ethics.

>>174832596
>why the fuck do I want my ring worlds out in the middle of nowhere
Because it doesnt matters? Arent you in super late game?

>>174832178
DAMMIT
I BUILT TOO TALL

I put off researching jumo drives twice because I was in the middle if a war and wouldn't have been able to deal with the unbidden, will I get the chance to research it again?

>>174833814

It'll come around. Put a maniacal/crazy or whatever it's called researcher in Physics to increase the chances.

>>174829451
Dreadnought isn't all that good. It's a fraction of its power when you confront it. Just a slight better battleship.

Seeing some anon was playing til 2700, I think so

Nah, nothing's too wide. Assuming you use sectors or mods to automate your shit. If you really micromanage 40+ planets, kudos.

there's any mod which makes the synth evolution less underwhelming?

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>using the console to turn all celestial bodies in the galaxy into black holes
Is this the end of all things?

Not really.

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>>174831998
>>174833540
This isn't even fair

>>174834118
Isn't the Dreadnought's problem the terrible loadout PDX put on it?

>>174834175
what was will be

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>falling for the transport bait meme

It's the derelict event cruiser

>>174832371
>Implying anyone cares about your primitive 21st century training

It's a 50's sci-fi raygun, they're specifically designed to be used as clubs.

>>174834373
the worm loves us

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I like vassals too much

>>174834521
I wish you could do more with them.

Remind me again why I can't make someone a vassal and a tributary?

Question if I liberate multiple planets in the same war will the join togther into a new empire? Or will I have created several 1 planet empires.

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>enemy fleet with 10k attacks my defensive solar system with 7 platforms
>barely loses 4k and moves on
>design a new platform but with 4 hangars and bombers and build 5 of them while they were busy bombarding one of my planets
>suddenly they break off and head to my defensive belt
>get annihilated by 5 defensive platforms from whom I lost 3
>they lost 8 cruisers, 6 battleships and a bunch of destroyers

Neat, I love hangars now

>>174834884

It'll make one big empire. However, if you do another war of liberation against the same faction after, it won't add them to the first faction.

>start game
>scout neighbouring systems
>no planets over size 20
>restart
Go big or go home.

>>174831315
I've deactivated planetary buildings when I had really shitty energy income and they finished before the pop grew inside them

>>174834839

B-because!

I wish vassals/tributaries/sectors/etc in Stellaris just worked like CK2

>>174834975
Good to know thanks.

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I want a fun game, is this good? Also, which civ/leader is the best?

there's no mod who makes missiles useful? they're so nice to see, but so shitty

>>174834362
yeah
it's bulkier than a battleship, but with shittier weapons

>>174834839
They should just buff both of them
better stuff to trade/syphon from tributaries
vassals provide more military stuff

>>174818046
stellaris buying guide?
stellaris standard+utopia+leviathan+plantoids?

>>174834362
Really should be able to refit it.

But I'm sure the future top-quality low-price dlc will add buildable player dreadnoughts and titans so you'll probably just scrap it as soon as you get it.

>>174836151
Buy the game, pirate the DLC.

>>174836151
>buying guide
Wait until minimum -75% sale.

And do >>174836189

>>174835079
Buildings without pops are automatically offline There's no need to shut them off.

>>174836159
Yeah, considering you manage to totally rebuild the thing from a bunch of charred wreckage floating in three seperate pieces in deep space, without even needing a drydock, you'd think your engineers would understand it's systems enough to fit different weapons to it.

>>174832342
>Nerve Stapled
mod?

>>174836421

It's from the biological ascension perks.

>>174835462
O-Ok ;_;

>>174836492
>he still plays Civ 6
I think it's just you here lad
I'm sorry

>>174836316
>75% off sale
But why, isn't this a bit much? I mean at that point you might as well not buy it to be honest

>>174832342
>click like 4 buttons
>fun

>>174836810
just pirate everything
I only buy the base games from Paradox because easier to access Workshop mods

Do I need a pop to be enslaved to create slave armies?

>>174837468
yes

>>174837587
gay, thanks

Wars would go by a lot fucking faster if you could integrate science ships and transports into your fleets

Are giga canons a meme?

>>174837939

Arc Emitters are the meme.

>>174838087
>>174837939
XLs are a meme
battleships are a meme
you're much better off massing cruisers

what /4x/ thinks about?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=903310693&searchtext=

>>174838206

Cruisers are the real meme, don't fall for that.

Now, corvettes. Those are not a meme. Torpedoes fit ones specifically.

>>174837835
But then they would get blowed up when battle starts

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>>174838296
>Now, corvettes. Those are not a meme.

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Why does it always feel like an accident when I "win"?

Like, "oops, I won."

>>174838503

>barbarian warrior loses to xcom squad

shocker

Here fags have a mods that lets you glass xenos from orbit.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=800669790

Is there a mod that lets you vassalize a sector/couple planets of your choosing? Instead of only letting you vassalize species homeworlds.

>>174838206
XLs are good for getting rid of enemy battleships really, really quickly.

>>174838839
>he fell for the XLs are good meme

Is fanatic purifiers fun? Is it hard to play than other?

>>174838503
>the corvettes did more damage

kek

Is Authoritarian worthwhile?

>>174838296

>he fell for the torpedo corvettes meme

>>174839105
Only if you want a slave-heavy build. Otherwise, not really. Mind you, slavery can be quite powerful.

>>174839105
Authoritarian a best

>mammalian ships look good
>stations look like shit

>fungoid ships look good
>stations look like shit

>plantoid stations look good
>ships look like shit

>reptilian ships look good
>stations look good
>battleships look like flat-top shit
I'll never be happy.

>>174839503
Good thing battleships are a meme, huh.

>playing fanatical purifiers
>meet bronze age planet species

Should I butcher them? It's a nice planet

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>>174824909
>>174825003
No, send them some "cloth"

>>174839946
What part of "cleanse the galaxy of all other sentient life" didn't you understand?

Of course you butcher them.

>>174839946
What the fuck kind of question is that. You're supposed to purge everything.

>>174840073
>>174840080

But I'm already at 11/11 planets

>>174839946
Are they hot?
If yes, then no.
If no, then yes.

The only good xeno is a sexually exploited xeno.

>>174840116
Hope you like sectors!

Has anyone else had an issue where terraforming techs just don't appear in the list? I've never had this problem before and I've got no clue on the culprit. I've updated the NCS mod to the newest version but thats about it.

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>there are people that don't play with No Sectors mod

>>174838519
That's a nice tomato plant

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Have you built your Pirate™ Ultramegaship© today, /4xg/?

>>174840116
Can't you leave a couple of ships in orbit for a few months and hope they kill off everyone with armageddon?

>>174840608
>armageddon
>doing anything

good meme m8

anyway, you can't bombard primitives. Have to land troops if you want the planet

Looks like i wont be conquering sanctuary anytime soon , fuck this place

has anyone have managed to kill it before end game ?

>>174840521
That fucking flagship, goddamn.

"I'm really digging this asteroids slapped together look for our navy, boys, but I feel like we should do something a little bit intimidating for our flagship."

"Uhh... more asteroids?"

"PERFECT."

How BIG should I be to take on the Stellarite Devourer?

>>174840725
define before endgame desu

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>>174840725

i'm a retard

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>>174840521
name of the mod?
>>174840892
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>>174840892

Before having tier 4/5 shields plasma kinetic meme weapon and over 10k fleet power

wars are super fucking boring

>>174841046
So before 2300?

The game ends about 100 years after the start?

>>174841503
Yes

>>174840754
>That fucking flagship, goddamn.
The whole line is "Battleship slapped into another"

>>174841693
The Carrier is especially obvious. It's just a battleship stacked on top of another battleship.

>>174841030
New Ship Classes & More.

>>174840521
I want to know what was going through the modder's mind. What was his thought process? How did he come to seriously think that looked good enough to show other people?

Anything above 80k fleet is "you've played for too long, time to restart" yeah?

>>174842261
have you taken on the full brunt of the swarm yet?
if not, then time to buckle up for a long ride.

>>174842261
That's not a big enough fleet to take on the Awakened Empires.

300k wasn't enough to take down my last one.

>>174842420
You're joking, right?

>>174842476
They had a LOT of ships.

>>174842476
He's not, AE retain ships as powerful as they did when they were FE's, but are capable of shitting out more.

The Militarist Isolationist awakened are absolutely nuts when they get going.

>>174840521
>All the ships are just more and more battleships superglued together
>the spaceport wouldn't look out of place as a star trek federation starbase
Ok then.

>>174842795
>capable of shitting out more
Fun fact, they poop out their battlecruisers in the same time it takes you to build a destroyer. And they pump out their escorts in half the time it takes for a corvette. They can produce ships at a horrifying pace.

>>174839105
>Play Authoritarian bio-engineers.
>Conquer a species, change their traits to be Decadent, Conformist, Intelligent, Industrious, Thrifty.

I roleplay that as genetically engineering my conquests into more of my species, happy in their slavery and generally very productive.

>>174843394

>decadent slaves
>they'd just get pissed off if you made them free

kek

>>174843226
So you're expected to kill them early or just die?

>>174843618
If you stacked a bunch of slavery tolerance modifiers back in 1.0, slaves genuinely would get pissed if you freed them. They've since "fixed" that.

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r8 my battle thrall race

>>174843618
Dude it's a free point and it's awesome.

>>174844362
They don't breed fast enough. You want a warform race that spits out babies on the battlefield so you never run out of shock troops.

>>174844601
Yeah, I've been loathe to colonize a Shinton of them because I don't want to hand them over to a sector governor.

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>>174843742

>>174842961
I am sure the Spaceport is just the enclave model recolored.

Once you get like 10 or 20 gene warriors is there a point to making anything else save titanic beasts? I usually do a tercio of slaves, xenomorphs and gene warriors.

>>174845362
You'll want to be able to shit out clone armies for when your transport ships get bullied.

>>174840521
Isn't that design just the same as what Paracocks did with the military stations?

Defense stations just look like defense platforms smashed together. And then fortresses just look like a mess.
For most races, I mean. Mammal and reptile military bases still look alright. Mostly.

>>174845362
20 gene warriors for invasions, 100 cheap clones for occupying a planet while the gene warriors leave to conquer another.

The AI is usually too stupid to retake a planet if you leave some troops on it.

>>174844601
Maybe they're not bred for wars of attrition, and are just elite shock troops.

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I wish that the AI rebellion would get a buff. Terminator and the Matrix are some of my favorite movies. I still have the future war from the second renaissance from the animatrix burned into my head. The AI revolt is hyped up to be the worst crisis that could possibly happen given that fallen empires will wreck your shit for pursuing it. It's disappointing that is a minor annoyance at best. The worst thing about it is just no robotic workers but they hardly pose a threat to any empire. The second they appear they just get gangbanged by every surrounding empire. I dunno, I just wish they were more of a challenge b/c of all the hype leading up to them. Anyone else feel this way?

>>174846360
I'd feel this way if it ever fucking happened.

>>174846360
AI rebellion is going to be redesigned.

>>174818751
Favorite from stellaris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhBNQdANHOo

>>174843750
thanks doc

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>Psionically transcendent species
>Get that event where pops mod themselves to fit their planet atmosphere more
>They lose their Psionic abilities

Good fucking job.

>>174818751

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vlAsnvinA

>>174846360
I've never had it happen in any dozens of plays.

The AI revolt in SotS was good. You couldn't just block it by giving them rights. You needed a special tech to head off the rebellion. But if you didn't get it then the rebellion happens and you're fucked. They keep all your tech, take some of your ships and planets and are really fucking tough.

Do I NEED the diplomacy perk that unlocks federations to join one ? I had the xenophile FE awaken and it never send me a invitation

Also , terraforming was a mistake , now the awakened just terraform stuff inside their borders and THEN start expanding outwards

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>>174846360
I'd love to comment but the unbidden just invaded for the billionth time in a row.

>>174845362
20 gene warriors are enough to shit on anything.

you dont even need to bombard the planet it before hand it's retarded.

>>174847297
The only time I've even ever had something other than the unbidden was the swarm
And it's because I guess the game bugged out and I had BOTH the Unbidden and the Swarm.

should i make shitty but cheap corvettes or very well fitted corvettes but expensive?

>>174847297
They need to fix jump drives summoning the unbidden. It's like they are 100℅ guaranteed to appear within 5-10 years of someone researching the jump drive.

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>>174847441

You don't even need gene warriors

>>174847489
cheap if you're specifically countering something, otherwise expensive ones.

>expensive but well fit with armor aand shield
>cheap but only guns and auxiliaries, no armor nor shield
? which

>>174847489
>>174847897

see >>174838503

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So...Who did it?

>>174847897
>cheap but only guns and auxiliaries, no armor nor shield
Works for smaller ships that don't benefit much from shields or armor anyway. Corvettes and most destroyers.

>expensive but well fit with armor aand shield
Cruisers and battleships should be made tanky as possible, it's their main asset and one that people underestimate.

Is there a fast way to attach attachments to armies?

It's like fucking paradox didn't expect me to use 10 armies and outfit them with attachments or something.

>>174848045
is possible that things >>174838503
like happen if i go for cheap?

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>>174848005
I wish other people in the galaxy did it, would be cool to save the universe from the horrors of the shroud as souless materialistic robutts