/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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how do you pronounce "MuMo"?

moo-moh?
muh-moh?
mummy monk?

>>174744710
moo moe

>>174744710
Momia Monje

>>174739318
1. Lack of ID minigame

2. Ease of escape from every encounter
2b. No forced high risk encounters
--- You can literally just walk away from literally every literal summoner or hero or OoD monster/group with no penalty. The only exception is getting ambushed around a corner and killed from focus fire in a single turn.

3. Low headroom consumable-only inventory and six inventory slots for non-consumables i.e. demons;
--- The consumables for the most part are boring and uninteresting (heal/attack, buff/debuff), and the ones that are interesting are OP or rare as fuck (the card consumables, mapping).

4. Lack of a sense of progression beyond ability gain;
--- You can beat the game without recruiting higher tier demons and don't really suffer that much for it, so no sense of progression in terms of swapping out new "equipment". And sure, your improved party stats as you guys level up will help you kill lower level shit more easily but you hardly notice it because after a certain point you don't encounter raichos or whatever the fuck anymore.
--- Actually now that I mention it, larger mobs of lower level demons later in the tower could spice things up a bit, and give a bit of a refresher from the standard 4v4 encounters 100% of the time. Multi-encounters used to capture this a bit, although you're generally the same level as the multi-group

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>>174744852
I missed the new thread, also
>>174744357
>tonberry OP
fucking rad I love these adorable lizards

>>>174744748
this is how the phehreh used to say it and thus the truth

5. Boring as FUCK level generation
--- There's no interesting structures (static vaults nor procedurally generated patterns or layouts), all terrain is the same (no water, chasm, door, plant, etc.), no traps (controversial), no way to modify or interact with the environment, and of course, the graphics are bland as shit too, and graphics are important in a tiles-only game. The most tactical use of terrain you'll experience in Demon is moving to a two tile wide corridor for the Actaeon link. I shit you not. There's a few very rare edge cases where you get a small pillar generated with which you can abuse enemy AI or play around with LoS, but that's it. The terrain in the glitch sanctum captures a bit of this, but the glitch demons themselves are annoying and tedious as all shit so I don't even bother.

6. "Rewards" from taking on a risky encounter don't elicit much excitement
--- Demon drops from killing a summoner just don't turn me on, because generally if I killed the summoner, I don't need to modify my party by taking on his (weaker) demons, so I end up just killing them off in the end. Experience and leveling up doesn't turn me on much either. Oh boy 5 stats and a couple hit points. Wow. That really changed how I'm playing the game.
--- Currency rewards from any source are p. boring too. Wow the number on my HUD went up. Cool. It doesn't really do much after you've already established your party, except maybe saving you from a death spiral if you lost a couple dudes late in the tower.
--- Corpse rewards are yawn. C number on the HUD goes up. Get your 21st unused heal stone. Yay. It would be better if consumables weren't the low headroom dogshit they are now. Maybe make the corpse encounter itself much much more likely instead of the no-risk/free skimming you get from most corpses. But again, if you do that, you'd have to not make the loot so boring.

/mu/ /m/o/

>>174745383
So an Autobot with a bitchin' sound system?

>>174744859
So basically you want weird consumables that you have to ID, 'beefiness checks' like spawning in a level that's a deadend with no exit and is occupied by super tough monsters, more types of enemy encounters besides the balanced 5v4, and better risk-reward things


I don't think any of your ideas are bad(except the ID game, I'm over that), but I do think you gotta realize that a lot of your ideas actually are already on the distant future to-do list

>>174744859
I didn't play Demon, but in every roguelike I played ID minigame is always exciting only for beginners and a chore or a non-issue for experienced players. If you manage to make it interesting, go ahead, but all the examples I've seen so far were "use one unit of a resource or roll a dice", which are sometimes circumvented by game knowledge (e.g. watery potions are potions of water in ADOM) - see "non-issue for experienced players" - so I don't trust any developers to make an interesting ID minigame anymore.

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What will be the next thing to get cut from DCSS? My bet: controlled blinking.

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neat

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S H A D Y
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>>174750201
Hey, anything to get back to town, right?

>>174752197
Smells like PDSM.

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Ganbatte, you bitch ass niggas.

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afc ring #2
thanks Nar

>>174752197
>>174753040
>random tele in PCB
NOPE

>>174753120
>shiren and chocobo's dungeon 2
>no torneko
>no azure dreams
shit taste desu

you might as well add pokemon mystery dungeon ffs

>10 runes
>pan done
>abyss done
>still no Tornado
>still no Necronomicon
Literally sleep inducing, I want my bloat

>>174754618
You can cancel random teleports if the item's not cursed, and randtele lets you follow monster teleports.

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>leprechauns can use manabrand
>they pay $$$ for each blow instead of mana

>>174754868
what

>>174752197
it's...beautiful

In cata, how do I install funnels onto a vehicle to collect rain water? A firetruck to be specific, made my base near one and its almost out of water
Also is rain water considered 'dirty'?

>>174754618
>>174755056
RandomTele is a good item property in PCB.

>>174755032
How much does hitting a dude cost?

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is there a way I can raise the Ninja weight limit or calculate it? is it just flat?

>>174755056
if you are wearing a randtele item you will occasionally get prompts with "teleport? (y/n)"
it only FORCES you to teleport if the item that gives randtele is cursed
you can inscribe a noncursed randtele item with {.} to get rid of the prompts entirely, effectively automatically answering 'n' to all of them
furthermore, if you have randtele and a monster teleports away from you (e.g. a unique running away at low health), you are given the option to "Follow its teleport? (y/n)"

>>174755119
Install it on the same tile as a tank. You probably need a screwdriver or something, too.

>Also is rain water considered 'dirty'?
Sort of. It's handled poorly, so (for non-vehicle funnels, at least, vehicle mounted might be different), the first time rain is added it rolls to be dirty. If it is, it will always make you sick until you empty the container. If it isn't, it never will, assuming you never drink the last charge of water.

>>174755489
the limit on equipment weight? that increases with level

>>174753120
Mu Mo B There -- up and over!

>>174755376
it costs 10 gold for every point of sp it would normally cost

so 10 * (1 + dd*ds/7) where dd and ds are the weapon's damage dice/sides

>>174755489
It's in xtra1. Comes out to 10 lbs + 0.4 per level.

>>174755489
It's solely a function of your experience level. 100 + level * 4 tenth-pounds maximum.

>>174755613
so it's basically a mystery

that's nice

>>174755830
>>174755840
oh ok so it's 30 max

that's ok

ninja have class restricted weapon types when dual wielding right? it's not just a function of skill? I seem to remember that from my old android ninja

>>174756048
You have restricted weapons in general, ninjas end up dual wielding because they can't do anything else with the second hand and have good skill in it.

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wait what

>>174756694
Ah that's right

they can't really use anything bigger than a sickle or tanto

still, once you get used to the game they're a really powerful class, it seems almost unfair

>>174756797
that guy was added by the japansese maintainers of zangband/hengband i think
the first two dudes in the telmora arena are also references to japanese politicians from the 90s i think

>>174754832
Listen up, you loose slut, we only had 90 slots, and executive decisions had to be made.

>>174757346
it was a bad decision

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>15 runes
Too bad it was literally the most boring extended possible. No Tornado and Necromutation, no wand of healing, mutated to extreme with heavy berserktitis and less than human HP through all of hell & pan, 2 pips of MR, 1 pip of rF, couldn't even zigg scum
Still literally tab tier thanks to Mak and naga
Nagas are OP

>>174760623
remove divine healing

>>174760914
But then I would actually have to... THINK!
Don't worry anon, the way things are going I'm sure we'll all live to see the game reduced to literally MuMo

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Serpent v. doppelganger imitator tomorrow, fellas. And no screw-ups this time!

>>174760623
How did you get that broadaxe? Did you worship TSO at some point?

>>174761910
?? holy wrath is just a brand you can find man

fucking orc priests will spawn with falchions of holy wrath on D:3

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>>174761910
No. I always go Gozag > Mak
The axe was just random
I also always use axes unless Octopode/Troll/Felid
and it's always easy and fast as fuck despite people moaning about muh riposte muh positioning

>>174762087
I think his point was that a broad axe of holy wrath is pretty rare to find, since broad axes in general are not a common item.

>>174762087
>>174762330
This. For some reason i always come across many M&F of holy wrath, but rarely other kind of weapons. Great maces in particular come to mind.

>>174762254
Do you simultaneously skill shields and axe since the beginning, or take off the shield while till you hit mindelay?

>>174762746
I always use medium shields from the beginning(usually start as figher if melee) and I sincerely feel it helps a lot unlike others that say it's best to use a buckler or even not use shields at all in the beginning of the game.
Not having at least medium shield on naga is a fucking crime since they have a shield boosts
I usually train my weapon skill to about 10, then Fighting to something like ~8, armor, dodging and shield to ~6-8, resume weapon to mindelay, kinda depends on the race proficiencies
And as I love axes I can say even your starter war axe can easily carry you through 3 runes provided you dump enchant weapon and brand weapon scroll on it
Later I trade for a broad axe but keep the shield, not a fan of losing the shield as I enjoy getting surrounded and tabbing for faster play

>>174763127
The kinds of combos that would realistically use a shield are strong enough you shouldn't have any trouble getting to lair either way.

I almost never die before lair with a Mi* and shields just end up a waste of points cause I'm gonna switch to an exec anyway.

>>174763934
Is there any guarantee to find a exec? The times i do find myself finding a exec, a nice bardiche or triple sword i spend way too much exp on it and have crappy defenses for most of the early and mid game. I'd rather have a fast one handed weapon that required a fraction of the experience.

Im gonna follow COBRA's example and run an axe wielding-shield using naga. Oh boy.

>>174764276
It's less "bardiche vs dtrident" and exec axe vs broad, and more glaive vs trident and great sword versus scimitar.

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>>174764649
I keep saying it's very easy if you go Gozag>Mak
despite D:3>5 rng fuckery that's the bane of most characters anyways like multiple orc priests/polearm gnoll packs/ogres, but you do have +20% HP and frankly starting from D7~ or so it's pretty tab tier
Also nagas need only 9 shields for medium and 15 for large

>>174765438
When do you switch to Mak?

>>174765527
Extended.

>>174765527
Usually after the shops start costing ~2200+ gold as it takes fucking forever to get enough gold at that point, even doing Depths and Vaults doesn't seem to increase the gold per enemy at all
Save Crypt and Elf (Besides V:5 and the E:3 chamber) while under Gozag's wrath because he will berserk and haste enemies on sight, and berserked enemies are dangerous as fuck, thankfully nothing in those two branches besides Elf Blademasters that only appear sometimes at the Weapon Hall, and even then it's only one that can't Sinvis, or the boss room, is actually dangerous. Well, just be wary of hasted Cursed Skulls on Crypt but they die pretty fast

>>174765438
Ash is a million times better than every other god all the way until you hit extended

Gozag can suck a dick

>>174766182
>the boss room
you mean the one that's completely trivialized by mephitic cloud

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>>174766241
fuck Ash
Gozag will often drown you in op as fuck gear, early too, sometimes gear that complete trivializes a 3 rune and even extended before fucking D10
And the jew daze passive is also powerful as fuck, plus the first and free pot petition is a nice panic button early game

>>174766364
Eh I just don't usually bother with spellcasting besides buffs and Tornado
Immolation also trivializes it but I'd rather not have a million hasted elves that soon, considering I often do Elf1-3 besides the chamber right after switching to Mak when the piety is low and hp on kills isn't that great still
Usually takes me to ***
Also don't even fucking try to do Desolation of Salt that sometimes spawn in Elf/Vaults under Gozag's wrath unless you are sure of your character and know what to do

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>tfw bullies come looking for you but you stay hidden cause you're a ninja

>>174767040

This is poschangband right?

>>174766665
holy shit I don't usually say this but what a double plus badplayer

jesus even garg autist was better than you, he didn't just reuse the same cherry picked screenshots over and over in every thread

it's also totally obvious that you play the game like a slot machine, maybe brogue would be closer to your needs

>>174767040
jesus that font is ugly
change it to something else for the sake of arelgee's eyes
like dejavu mono or consolas or something

>>174767139
yeah, that band of orcs actually isn't too bad, but my gear is pretty sad and one of my weapons is unskilled (small sword, training for sting later on)

>>174764276
is there any guarantee to find tornado or necromut you fucking COBRA

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>>174767393
sorry anon is this better

>>174767431

Isn't that the outpost? Why did a gang of orcs come into it, to track you down? Never played this before but it looks more fun than DCSS desu.

>>174767802

Jesus Christ man who even made this font?

>>174767876
Monsters can spawn anywhere on the surface really.

The area around the outpost is pretty low-level so normally the worst you see is a lone novice mage or something, but orcs always appear in packs.
Oh yeah and if the rng really really hates you you'll get eaten by a +10 speed tiger before you can enter the first dungeon. But that almost never happens.

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>>174767304
Anon, it's not my fault the game is easy as fuck with axes and cleave
And Gozag
And Mak
And TSO
And Trog
to name a few
I just prefer Gozag and Mak
I've pretty much made sucessful axe fighters of HO, Mi, Mf, Op, Ds, Gargs, centaurs, formicids. Troll was unarmed though, same, and 2 'podes had short blades instead of axes.
>>174767304
>holy shit I don't usually say this but what a double plus badplayer
What exactly is bad about winning?
It's like you are one of those guys that complains about too much tabbing and axes

>>174767517
No, which is why I had to win without them and it was pretty boring.
However, finding at least Tornado is often pretty easy considering it's in 2 non randart books, and Book of the Sky isnt that rare
Ziggs often guarantee you'll find Necromutation though, and Tornado + Mak is enough to clear them with absolute ease

>jesus even garg autist was better than you, he didn't just reuse the same cherry picked screenshots over and over in every thread
Sheesh anon, do you want me to keep posting new pictures every single thread incarnation

>>174767517
Thats something you would see on extended possibly. Meanwhile you CAN'T go forward unless you have a reasonably good weapon, its essential.

>>174768056
err to clarify: monsters don't spawn IN the town
but they can spawn in the area just outside of town and chase you into it

>>174768069
Every character has that weapon. It's usually called Fist.

How long until the Crawl main game becomes HuFi linesprint

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>>174768461
six months ago

>>174768184
I feel like wilderness spawns got cranked up a lot a while back.

>>174767802
do comic sans
even better, do cc wild words

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>you will never play /mu/m/o/ again
feels really bad, man

>>174768057
>he thinks i'm the same person calling him a badplayer
COBRA pls
you have more friends than you know

>>174769310
But why is winning bad, anon
The game is well known to to be simple enough that tabbing is what you spend most time doing

>>174769464
>winning
post webtiles wins

>>174769530
I don't get it, anon.
Why is webtiles so important?
I mean, why wouldn't you be able to control yourself in a single player game?]
It feels like it's mostly a e-penis kind of thing
I also still don't get why Gozag is supposed to be "bad" at tall.
As for axes I honestly don't thik they are superior to other weapons, however they allow for way faster gameplay/runs since it's literally tab and that's it. Not to mention the synergy with Mak.
And it's the same for Gozag and Mak, I don't believe they are superior to everything else welll Mak fucking is[/spoiler/] but I find the gear gains from Gozag to be often outstanding, especially when floorgod is usually a harsh mistress

>>174769853
play webtiles so we can judge your statistics objectively and also so you can't savescum constantly

>>174769853
>I mean, why wouldn't you be able to control yourself in a single player game?]
i don't know, why wouldn't you? ;^)

gozag is good and so are axes to an extent. originally i was just shitposting at you because you had this mental fixation on starting as a fighter for the shield no matter what which is retarded, but then i discovered you play with the mouse and offline at that. at that moment i swore i will never let go until you change your erring ways

im 90% sure that the "all offline wins are savescummed" thing started off as a dumb meme
but of course autists take everything literally, and as expected rlg has no shortage of autists

>>174770296
to be fair I only called him a badplayer because it really looked like his playstyle was scummy and because gozag is legitimately kind of bad otherwise, compared to say, Ash, Vehu, Trog, Mahk, Oka, Dith, or Zin.

If he was a Chei player I would at least respect his ideals.

>>174770259
Sort of silly to do this online elitism objectivity thingeroo, but suggest webtiles instead of terminal ssh. I'm fine with online and off, tiles and ASCII, but online webtiles is of a lower "nerd faggot rank" than online terminal.

>>174770403
if offline players talk about having fun then I don't bother them nor does it bother me, but if an offline player starts talking about wins or viability or their optimal strategies, I immediately respond with the webtiles rhetoric, because really that ends the argument immediately. if they refuse to prove themselves then I refuse to take them seriously.

>>174770715
your subjectivity really has no value to anyone

>>174770403
you'll be surprised with how easily people rationalize savescumming

>>174770817
but muh kierkegaard

>>174770817
What subjectivity? Merely talking about posers. If you did want to try for objectivity, you'd ask for statistics instead of a webtiles session to criticize—and ideally, you'd be well-aware of the difficulties involved in deriving useful information from bidgeam stats.

>>174770952
the fact that objectivity is inaccessible to humanity still doesn't mean strangers care about your feelings before you prove your value to them

>>174771059
>playing webtiles is posing
>savescumming offline is the superior egoless way
lmao@u
i asked for webtiles because that's what the majority uses, i'm fine criticizing any sort of statistic

>>174771059
You're trying to beat me at my own game by being even more of a snob without realizing that I wasn't being a snob in the first place you shitter. Analyzing the set of possible motivations for what you say reveals more about your character than the way you portray your argument.

People who advocate for slow races like Naga and also advocate for Gozag are the most obvious scummers possible, either that or theyre really into playing D1-10 because slot machine.

>>174770865
If it gives you any peace of mind I have never savescummed and I almost always play offline. I got gud after playing on webtiles though, the high ping forced me to think every time I pressed a button.
I recommended the game to two friends once, one of them wasn't very interested and the other told me a few days later that he played it but it was too difficult so he cheated by making backups of his saves. I kind of see where you are coming from.

>>174770865
I savescum in Elona. I think I might've savescummed a couple times in DCSS but meh

>>174771059
>bidgeam stats
did you have a stroke anon

>>174771117
>caring about anyone but yourself
you a woman or a queer?

>>174771414
>>caring about anyone but yourself
are you psycho anon from last thread

>>174771414
>savescum in elona
it doesn't have permadeath, why bother?

>>174771520
because you can lost some stats/gold/items upon death. If you lose a precious artifact vital to your build, it might take you literally 30 hours to get it back through the Little Sister quest.

>>174771414
>you a woman or a queer?
actually, I'm not a cuck or a coward so I have the freedom to enrich my life by cherishing my relationships with others

perhaps if I was afraid to fight for what's important to me I'd disbelieve in my own power to lead and protect, but I don't really know how to be that kind of selfish

it would nauseate me with shame to be around myself if I were like you

>>174771506
Don't compare me to him, I kill because I love

and you should too

>>174771520
Yea what >>174771720 said.

>>174771753
Kill yourself you offtopic queer

>>174771830
>>caring about anyone but yourself
>I kill because I love
i do not comprehend

>>174771414
>>174771753
Or you can choose to not be an edgy misanthrope nor a self-righteous faggot and just enjoy people while they are there and do your own thing while they aren't, shit.

>>174771969
Are you telling me you're happy and satisfied with the state of the world and the structure of our society or do you just roll over and accept it like a poz load up your ass?

>>174772215
>happy and satisfied with the state of the world and the structure of our society
What the fuck man, I thought we were just talking about interpersonal relationships.

General life philosophy isn't roguelikes, anons. It's not even rougelikes.

>>174772346
Either you take responsibility for the safety and well-being of yourself and those around you or you don't. Are you an adult or are you a child? Do you think the world just happens without any influence from the people in it? Are you just gonna do whatever without thinking about the consequences? Are you some sort of pre-colonial Native American? We don't live in such a luxurious world that you can act like you have no influence and responsibility or no stake in the game that's being played with your life and everyone and everything you've ever cared about.

muh individualism
Nobody matters but me! also brown children!

>>174750147
MuMo

>>174753120
I don't know what to play, give me something good, RNGesus

We need a new challenge.

Lord of the dong, we know you still live. Please forge another fun conduct run in the game of your choice so we can be free again from the posting of the shit.
Thanks and pharaoh bless

>>174773412
randomness is an illusion
your god is false

I miss MD

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>>174773942
I miss the old tiles. They were so distinct and colorful.

>>174772734
he says while shitposting in a tainwanese archeology simulator forum

>>174773418
IVAN, except the only weapon you can use is your own limbs.

Nightmare Version: You can only eat your own limbs.

>>174774302
note the existence of male dolls with no bra

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>>174774302
>when they changed the potion sub-icons from crystal-clear to muddy and shadowed
still mad

>when they changed scores of perfectly good tiles for no reason at all
yep, still mad

>when the look of the dungeon slowly went from "project overflowing with love" to "gritty realistic metagame simulator"
I will never not be mad

>>174774319
Maybe you guys are the ones I care about and want to help sometimes. These words might make some of you stronger. They at least might make you think about something important to you.

>>174774302
hmm what version is this?
most of them look old but there are a couple that look kinda new like lernean hydra, red dragon, wyvern, titan
I haven't played nu-tiles in a while though so I don't know
+1 for naked dracs tho

>>174774913
wew laddie, with rationalizations of this magnitude maybe it's not us you should be worrying about

>>174774990
>My life being important? Preposterous!

>>174775105
;)

>>174774381

Are there not male characters anymore?

>>174775394
ayy...

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>>174774302
First thing that caught my eye

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HMMM

>>174775909
>unseen horror
>seen

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:3

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So, what should I do next? Playing without wilderness, farming D 37 currently, dont really want to go D 38 cause I am pretty sure I will get one of came a lot knights as level boss and will have to abandon but farm at D 37 is soo fucking slow, even mature dragons seems to be rare as fuck.

>>174776648
If you don't need to reforge later on, you can skip the quest, just a few excellent items.

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Is this elf any dangerous? I dont have much resistances beyond basic elements and only 180 hp.

>>174777574
You really should have easy_lore or whatever setting on next time, *bands aren't very kind without it due to their nature.

>>174777574
turn on easy_lore
and yes he is
>I dont have much resistances beyond basic elements and only 180 hp.
RUN RUN RUN RUN THE FUCK AWAY NOW YOU FUCKING IDIOT

>>174776250
But he has seen some stuff man..

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>>174777574
>Level 30 demigod
>180 HP
See, this is why sorcerers suck so much ass in *it breathes* the game. I mean seriously even an ancient red dragon will kill you with a single breath and that's through 3 pips of elemental resistances. You will die the moment someone throws a water ball at you or breathes gravity or confusion or disintegration
Having less than 500 HP at level 50 in a game where doubleturns are the norm is like going around naked wearing a "please rape and stone me" sign in a muslim country

I'm knew to DCSS and played a round of 0.18 for fun.

What exactly was their reason to remove pakellas, he seems like a fun and unique god for me. I even consider playing some more of 0.18 to have some runs with him.

Are there any major fuckups in version 18 that prevent me from doing this or will I not be able to spot a difference?

>>174777953
Can't they do like close to 800+ damage in a turn

>>174777954
headroom is inversely proportional to version number, you've done well to notice this universal truth

>>174778098
>Can't they do like close to 800+ damage in a turn
Depends, their breath does 900 damage but if you have 3 (three) pips of the basic elements it only does 28% of 900. which is around 300 damage. And that's just a boring ol' regular great wyrm, a level 50 enemy. PCB has worse than that.

>>174777953
Do sorcs get anywhere near sane hp in demonlord form?

>>174778405
You can cast that and wraithform, just like a rune knight.
But
>it casts dispel magic
>it magically summons shamblers!

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>>174778405
The fact anon has a 115% liferate right now tells you a lot.

>>174778628
You take halved damage from breaths just by being in a wall if I remember correctly, plus Dg have a 50% chance to resist with One With Magic.

>>174777954

>he seems like a fun and unique god for me

Pakellas is neither fun nor unique, just rotten garbage. How is scummy unlimited wand charges to justify the waste of exp called Evocations any fun or meaningful? Now that rods are gone, it has way more incentive to stay dead than ever.

>>174773418

>We need a new challenge

Play crawl then. You can thank me later.

>>174779575
>evocations
>waste of exp
lm@AU

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>>174744859

>Lack of ID minigame is a problem

>>174780150

Let me guess, you also think that Hexes spellschool is properly designed and should stay in crawl.

>>174781324
i think hexes should be buffed and should indefinitely remain in crawl alongside many new and fun additions
begone, dev

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>>174774302
What are these sprites?

>>174781404
microbat
bat
megabat
gigabat

>>174781404

redundancies

>>174781404

bloat

>>174781540
>>174781859
stop it ;_;
i know you're just pretending!

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>>174781889

>you're just pretending!

NO! I. Want. Redundancies. [REMOVED]. Out. Of. Crawl. RIGHT. NOW!

Why do people get cats, they don't even do useful work like a dog can

>>174782283
the fuck do dogs do
they are useless PETS because PETTING is all they can do. do you know what they'd be called if they could do useful work? WORKING ANIMALS

>>174782283

People from the lower strata tend to prefer playing real roguelites.

>>174782649
Ouch! That really hurt!

>>174781404
PHASE BAT ROTTEN BAT GIGABAT CHAOS BAT MICROBAT ICE BAT FIRE BAT

The best crawl vault known to man.
Now sadly removed.

>>174783262
i think dcss needs to be destroyed
let them remove everything until nothing is left, then, in lieu of content, the devs will at last remove themselves

>>174783415
what game do you recommend for dcssplebs who want to migrate away from the nazi devs?

>>174784068
minecraft

>>174782215
Which bolt is the third one?

>>174784336
Looks like the tiles interpretation of Tartarus, the realm of negative energy.

>>174784336
bolt of DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAINAGE

>>174782215

bloalt

>kill orbs 2v1
>kill orb + alich
>get 1v1'd from full HP by an electric golem
Apparently at around 100 wins I became unable to win Crawl anymore. Note to self: just get Statue on everything that uses UC, no exceptions, and screw variety.

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>>174784957
>I can kill strong enemies I can resist, surely I can kill strong mobs I can't resist!
You're adorable.

>>174783262
It's still in the game. Some dev even said they tried to removed it once and the community went apeshit on them, so they brought it back. I wasn't around at the time though.

>>174785053
>It's still in the game.
Even the devil's team is powerless against the bat team.
Do bats still never stop spawning?

>>174785040
Of course it's my fault, I'm just saying I'm unable to win Crawl anymore because I'm too used to certain outcomes and stop expecting unusual ones. Third death with 3+ runes in a row.

>>174785150
>I'm unable to win Crawl anymore because I'm too used to certain outcomes and stop expecting unusual ones.
No you just don't know how to evoke feet

>>174785242
I could evoke feet into unexplored Zot:5 lungs through Zot traps (one or two, depending on the lung) or I could evoke feet through the corridor the golem came from. Neither sounds like a particularly good idea.

Good ideas included using ?fog and preparing for the fight properly (e.g. mana vipers to shut it down faster) or using !resistance, but no hurr durr I need it for orb run derrrp.

"Too used to certain outcomes".

>>174785040

>surely I can kill strong mobs I can't resist!

If I can meleekill Cerebov at rF -1 (negative one) then anyone can kill everything at resist zero. Crawl resists are bloat, this is not PCB. It is finely tailored for the roguelike casual.

>>174785483
>meleekill Cerebov at rF -1 (negative one)
Gib proof
also needlestab doesn't count

>>174784336
Drain bolt

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Just played DoomRL for the first time. Made it to lv16 and got killed by a Cyberdemon. Mainly used shotguns, and a minigun I found near the end.
This game is so good. It just oozes style, has a good sense of humor and is fun to play. I should have played this sooner!

How are shotguns from a meta-game perspective? I really enjoy using them, do they hold up against the other options?

>>174786058

Shotguns are extremely good.

>do they hold up against the other options?

The real question is do other weapons hold up to Shotguns.

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>>174785582

It's easy, try it on wizard mode. Just punch Cerebov until you dent him a little and blink out. Rinse and repeat, didn't even use a single haste.

>>174786453
I might remember incorrectly but doesn't cerebov actually hurl firestorms at you and have a ring of fire around him at all times
also is that the robe of vines

>>174786517

Yeah. You can do it with a normal +0 robe too but that'd be tedious if vinestalker regen+Regeneration achieves the same result anyway. That's also nospell and godless.

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Give me those 20 hours of my life back.

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>complaining about being bad

>again

>>174787780
>those times for 6 >= runes only
Wtf

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>>174788064
Let me show you something actually slow.

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>>174787780
You're wasting your life playing roguelikes even if you win.

>>174788185
This is making me die on the inside, slowly

>>174771257
Except melee Naga is piss easy and axes means it's even easier considering almost everything early game has trash HP
And there's only rng fuckery around D3-5, despite the fact you can actually play it safe instead of autoexploring
D1-2 is literally fucking tab
By D6-7+ your hp is so high thanks to the +20% boost shit like ogres and orc priests don't matter anymore
Gozag is only a slot machine for Octopodes or Felids.
For races that can use all/almost slots I sincerely can't see Gozag being rng when armor shops alone have a high chance of giving you something useful, same for weapon shops
Yeah, you'll get way better stuff in some runs, but the thing is, Gozag will consinstently give you good shit, at least way better than hoping something decent spawns on the fucking floor

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Why sorcerers so bad man, giving them both ass life and 0 melee capabilities is just too harsh and its not like they are super good at casting.

>>174786220
nice, I'm going to blast some more demons then

>>174789307
>Why sorcerers so bad man
Because skillmasters (or god forbid, gray mages) are actually better than sorcerers will ever be. Don't play sorcerers.

>>174790030
Aw, you saying that I can take all the magic as skillmaster while retaining adequate health pool?

>>174790129
>you saying that I can take all the magic
No, because you damn well don't need 90% of the spells in those books. You want genocide spells, teleport spells, detect spells and healing spells while still having having good health. What you want is a nature4/death4 fighter with extra HP. Maybe trump 2 if you want dimension door.

>>174785582
>also needlestab doesn't count
also removed
unless you meant paralysis needles, but that's not needlestab

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Got trump book in blackmarket, could it be its my chance to actually start enjoying sorcery again/

>play crawl online
can't click on the map to choose where you want to go
Fucking awful, do you have to do it through CTRL+X or what

>>174790686
>183
>8
>3
you're a dead man walking

>>174790779
Why would you want to go to a square
Either use O
or ctrl+x+</>
Or search for an item you left

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>>174790795
Why do I need health points when I have dracolich bro to tank and kill shit for me?

>>174791492
>Why do I need health points when I have dracolich bro to tank and kill shit for me?

Anon, just accept you're already dead.

>>174777574
Is that a warhammer or a marvel reference?

>orc:$
>see orc priest
>turn around the corner and break los to lure him
>he doesn't show
>instead he starts summoning
>flooded by waves and fucking waves of tier 2 demons while the priest is nowhere to be seen
why is this allowed
i thought orcs have low iq (AI)

>>174791978
which version of the game?

>>174792067
19

>>174791978
>things that didn't happen
or he summoned while still in LoS but the summons appeared outside of your LoS

>>174792175
it literally (literally) [sic] just happened, eternally etched in the recordings of the webtiles server

>>174792241
Gib ttyrec

>>174792319
how to

>>174792359
go to your webtiles server
go to morgues
check your name
open your latest .ttyrec file
copy link
paste it here

>>174792471
ah well you see i may have slightly exaggerated things

>>174792471
SYKEEEEEEEEEEEE
IT HAPPENED!!!!!!(!!!!!!)
https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/ttyrec/Chifra/2017-04-09.07:04:49.ttyrec.bz2

Ah fuck how do I open these things again

you know what I'll just believe you

>>174792720
I'm assuming the correct one would be
https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/ttyrec/Chifra/2017-04-23.12:29:57.ttyrec
(this is currently 33 MB, because it hasn't be archived/compressed yet)

Your ttyrec folder is:
https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/ttyrec/Chifra/

>>174793053
Get jettyplay.

http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/

>>174793285
>Get jettyplay.
Nah I remmeber now I can make it work on my terminal with sudo apt-get somethingortheother
but I don't wanna watch it because it's huge

I believe you, I'll probably go watch some mumo vods

>>174793285
it's the latest game, the one still ongoing. check out the part of orc after doing lair

>>174793369
HE BELIEVES

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>>174793486

>>174793369
Yeah, you can use IPBT or ttyrec itself (the latter's ttyrec player is ttyplay, I think). But I've found that they tend to render Crawl ttyrecs really weirdly, so I just stick to jettyplay.

>>174793547
i can't believe i was speaking to a furry this whole time
yuck

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>>174793615

>>174793615

why, you scared of animalfuckers?

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>>174793285
>>174792720

Ah, right towards the end of it (~2:19:00 has an early example, and then the last few minutes 2:24:00 and on).

In your case, you had a summon (the orc skeleton) that was in the line of sight of the high priest, which was why it was able to summon even though it couldn't see you.

Furthermore, a lot of those summons (the ufetubi) were summons of a ynoxinul, which in turn are summoned from an orc sorcerer or high priest.

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>>174793735
>>174794383
lmA@Ou

>>174794554
so in other words i was right and you were wrong
can you please repeat after me, " i was wrong, orc priests can summon out of los. please, venerable sir, don't bully me too much for messing up "

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Nedroid has such great MuMo images.

>>174795159
i think furries should all be gunned down. i want to lead an anti furry death squad, kill furries immediately on sight.

>>174795316
>nedroid
>furry
???????

that's cool but how is that roguelikes

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Yay, just haste monster for my dudes. Btw whats better, dracolich or iron lich?

>>174795376
it has an anthropomorphized creature

>>174795380
real life satisfies the berlin interpretation, spacetime is possibly grid/turn based.

How long until they remove humans from DCSS?

>>174795459
Man, don't forget to destroy any roguelike with kobolds or whatever

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New and improved

>>174795650
Never. Humans will be the last surviving race when the devs realize that every other race is bloat. If a human can have a Minotaur-esque game with the right equipment and the right manuals, why have Mi? If they can have a DeepElf-esque game with lucky equipment, a starting mage class, and manuals, why keep DE?

>>174795650

When PCB becomes a roguelike

>>174795419
they're pretty similar power-wise (same hp, each has an elemental breath) but iron lich has more spells, including summon undead

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Aw shit, apparently summon monster and summon hydra are not safe spells to use, but summon undead is perfectly fine, didnt backfire even once, gotta take blackmarket reroll for books at level 20 and then game is fine, relatively speaking.

>>174797250
190 in level 29 doesn't seem like a lot of health points to be quite honest family senpai (tbqhfampai) [sic]

>>174799000
Don't make posts like this, thanks.

>>174799000
Yeah, i miscalculated, put one point in charisma instead on constitution and wore pokeball instead of +3 con shield. Could have had a whooping 200!

>>174799098
i will make more posts like this now that i know that you dislike them fampaliazila (family pile godzila)

Are there any roguelikes where your summonings actually stay around and don't disappear after a few seconds?

I understand its for balance but it feels like I'm spamming summons.

>>174799679
PosChengband? Demon?

When you're upgrading STR INT DEX in DCSS does it not really matter what you choose? I haven't noticed any real difference from doing it.

>>174799679
all of them except dcss

>>174799805
It matters.

>>174790263
Grey mage gets 10 slots full of good shit, yeah?

>>174799991
Yeah. You can go to the dark side and grab mass genocide, darkness storm, vampirism true, wraithform and polymorph demonlord, but you won't be able to grab any healing spells.

>>174800043
Vamp True makes healpots go a long fucking way so that's a fair trade.

>>174800345
Yeah, but it's useless against nonliving and undead beings.

>>174799805
it used to matter in older versions of crawl and maybe in some hard combos or mumo conduct but in nu-crawl stats are so abundent you'll end the game with shit like 27/26/29 without even trying just wearing artifacts at which point you can just cast any spell in any armor and still have 30-40 EV

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I'm doing this only for (you), anon
(You) know who (you) are.
It remains easy

>>174801034
POST
WEBTILES

>>174799805
Stats only truly matter for mages, since a few points in Int will affect your failure rates and spellpower.

For melee types, as long as the number (Dex/Str) is above 13 or so, it's not hugely important.

>>174801034
>necrobro

5 bucks says you'll die in a zig

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>>174801264
The days of myself dieing in a Zig are mostly over.
I've died way too much on them before though
Nowadays I sometimes splat in panlord floors due to silence

>>174801441
You've gotten more XL 27 characters killed than I've leveled up.

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Did you know Homunculus touches to paralyze?

>>174803154
>homunculus
is that a PCB monster or an ADoM monster
because if it's PCB why the fuck are you playing without easy_lore on
and if it's ADoM it's actually touch to sleep.

>>174803154
I sure did, same as basilisks.

>>174771257
>People who advocate for slow races like Naga and also advocate for Gozag are the most obvious scummers possible
a player streaked 19 NaWns of Gozag in a row online, so it's not a bad strategy

>>174803349
Vanilla angband

>>174777953
>less than 500hp at level 50
i think sorcs can do 6-700, and of course wraithform helps by halving (?) all damage as long as you don't get dispelled
although really you ought to go patient hades sorc for the hp

>>174785471
so is zot some kind of huge demilich or what

>>174783262
crawl needs a 'summon greater bats" spell

>>174803807
>i think sorcs can do 6-700
I've seen a half-ogre mighty sorcerer on the ladder with 666 HP but that's the highest ever.

>>174774302
What are the things next to Cerebov?

>>174803154
>>174803608
>not having Free Action

also vanilla gets *really* boring around Dlvl35 or so.

for the love of god someone play mumo so I can backseat drive him
I'm getting the shakes here

>>174797250
when you fail to cast a trump summon spell, isntead of just eating your sp and saying "you failed to cast", it summons the monsters as hostile
so stick to 0%fail summoning i guess

>>174804480
Oooh shit, so thats how it works, manual was kinda vague on how it is.

>>174800412
but the fact that you've been using vamp true for the whole game up to this point means you have a bunch of spare unused !healing to use for those guys

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>Tried cataclysm DDA for the first time
>Ran the tutorial and got prompted to push buttons.
>Unknown command
>Had to google where to change keybinds, just press esc in game
>Unknown command.

>>174804230
What is the code of conduct?

fun fact: if you play as a quylthulg monster you have a chance to instantly die the first time you try to do anything if your level 1 "summon yeek" spell fails and makes a hostile kamikaze yeek

>>174794954
enemies will summon out of LoS if they have seen you, but not if they're just pathing to your sound without having seen you yet. DE elementalists are an illustration of this, if they have not seen you and you are camping in a tunnel they will come find you, but if they have seen you and you camp in a tunnel, they will cast their elemental creation spell from out of LoS at your location with smite targeting.

>>174744357
Anyone here plays infra arcana? Any tips for a newbie to git gud?

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>>174804687
also drop your starting robe

>>174804903
it's bad don't bother. if you want to win just play rouge in the development version and max out the dex tree, stealth tree, observant, treasure hunter, and Vicious.

>>174804731
Only if you have allow_pets off.

>>174804910
What exactly can you do?

>>174805129
Attempt to punch things

>>174805090
im pretty sure quylthulg gets hostile monsters when they fail a spell

but even if they don't, you can still instadie by summoning a kamikaze yeek in melee range of an enemy and dying to its explosion

>>174805025
>it's bad don't bother.
I have been enjoying it, even though it seems retarded hard.

What roguelike would you suggest? I have only played DOOMrl and infraarcana so far.

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>>174805129

>>174795820
You cast fist and evoke feet when fist is too small.

>>174805261
i like doomrl, sil, 0.17 and earlier dcss. IA is okay to win once or twice but stealth is so dominating in the development version, and other playstyles are so shit, that there's no reason to play anything else.

>>174805129
in mumo, you are allowed only fist and foot.

>Friend making fun of me because said I didn't like the witcher and he saw me playing Brogue

>>174805679
Brogue is bad he should make fun of you

Enjoy your 's' hitting simulator

>>174805679
Well, at least it wasn't autismo overlord tier ASCII shit
If a normie sees you playing that it's immediately "OMG ARE YOU A HACKER ANON"

>>174805679
my first thought upon reading this was of you and your friend having gay sex, him being the top and bullying you for your taste in video games all the while.

>>174805424
>IA is okay to win once or twice but stealth is so dominating in the development version, and other playstyles are so shit, that there's no reason to play anything else.
I see. I do enjoy the occultist but it is far too weak, i wonder if they update the game often and if they plan on reworking the other classes.

Anyway, im going to try that sil you mentioned, it is in the sticky above right?

>>174805886
Another great post I read today on boards.4chan.org/vg/ /rlg/.

>>174805679
>Casuals experience a game with decent writing
>Hail it as the first coming of christ and anyone who says otherwise is stoned

Did you not learn anything from TLOU and Bioshock Infinite?

>>174806120
i'm simply sharing my thoughts lad, and who knows, maybe you really are gay.

>>174806096
occultist is extremely bad. Rogue >>>>>>> War Vet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Occultist.

Sil should be in the sticky, do try to get mpa-sil though as it has some interface improvements.

>>174790628
You can't stab cerebov with needles of sleep/para anymore?

>>174806251
you can, but that's not what needlestab means you fucking amateur, get the fuck out COBRA you fucking noob you niggerloving kike piece of dev go back to tavern

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>>174805886
>him
but everyone on this website is a cute anime girl

>>174806235
My first win was with an occultist.

>>174806476
was it in the version where kills give xp?

>>174806330
anon DCSS is objectively a bad game now

I only check new version once a year to be even more disappointed

>>174804910
>>174805129
The gist is:

You can use shields and large shields; you can use non-body armour (boots, etc.) as long as they're not boots of running; you can use rings as long as they're not rings of slaying or regeneration.

You can throw things that are not meant to be thrown, but you can't throw items meant to be thrown. IIRC, a quick test would be: if it shows up in a regular 'Q'uiver menu, then you can't throw it, but if it shows up in a full quiver menu (Q*), then you can. Speaking of menus, you are allowed to use Self-Restoration in the ability menu, but everything else (extra egos on items and artefacts you might find) is not allowed to be used.

Scrolls are allowed.

And of course, you can use your fists (unarmed combat) and you can use your feet.

Everything else is not allowed.

>>174806592
Kills don't give XP now?

it was version .14 or something, more than a year ago

>>174806604
that's fine and all but needlestab is an extremely old technique that was removed somewhere around 0.15 so you can't be that old laddie

>>174806713
>everything else (extra egos on items and artefacts you might find) is not allowed to be used.

** anything else in the ability menu, that is

>>174806713
How do people fucking win

>>174806235
>occultist is extremely bad.
Well, it is heavily dependent on RNG, if your starting spells and potions suck and you don't luck out into finding good stuff you are fucked.

I like the spamming of dark bolts though, and those invocation spells are quite powerfull when used right.

>>174806726
>Kills don't give XP now?
They do.

>>174806824
Very carefully

>>174806726
Not anymore. XP is all from finding monoliths now, and basically everything has gotten nerfed and OOD spawns were made pretty crazy (I had D:1 fire hounds last time I played. that was the last game I played)

>>174806923
>Not anymore. XP is all from finding monoliths now
Don't know what you are talking about, that is sure as hell not the lastest version.

>>174806923
that is unless he changed it again. when last played this winter all XP was from monoliths.

>>174807021
are you playing the "trunk" version (not 0.18.2 or whatever?)

>>174806713
bucklers are permitted you fucking nazi, and were used by the dicks implo and vinie

>>174807071
>are you playing the "trunk" version (not 0.18.2 or whatever?)
Im playing 18.2, not sure what this trunk version is but sounds pretty shitty.

>>174807193
ok, I am talking about the most recent version on github. give it a try.

>>174807276
>ok, I am talking about the most recent version on github. give it a try.
Nah, your description of it makes it sound much worse then my current version, besides, im going to give SIL a try.

>>174807193
>>174807276
It should be called "develop", btw

>>174807127
>bucklers are permitted you fucking nazi They used them and saw how horribly strong they were and unanimously decided to ban them from the challenge for being too strong.

>>174806785
I've been playing off and on since 0.7 but I never really read spoilers or participated in the community until like 0.13, and even then I never learned about anyone else's strategy or techniques, I just just guessed to blend in when it seemed like someone used the same technique I did.

>>174807640
>no bucklers allowed
>a-after my run of course ;^)))))
bucklers are permitted, and if anything you should place an upper limit on SH, not a lower limit, otherwise you're not making the conduct harder, just posturing

>>174807765
Sure then
wear a buckler
wear your starting robe too
why don't you worship a god while you're at it

>>174807723
needlestabbing is when you blow poison needles on a sleeping or paralyzed monster, it does extra damage and poisons extra deeper, and really just messes them the heck up without having to walk close to the monster and risk waking them up, and it scaled with skill. it was removed. hence it was called needlestab because you "stab" with needles. now, the only thing that happens is that you get a guaranteed hit when you attack a sleeping monster, but then again everything gets a guaranteed hit.

>>174807926
so an artefact ring with +10 strength is okay right, but if it also has +1 slay its no good?

>>174807926
nice retort.
all the winners wore bucklers, keep posturing.
i'm not even that mad that vinnie used a robe for some of the early game, just keep it consistent and don't change things up on a whim.

>>174808046
oh yeah didn't it used to say "your needle struck a vital spot" or something to that effect

Say, which rl games from the what to play pastebin have tilesets? I simply can't get beyound the graphics barrier, all I see are fucking numbers and letters!

>>174808290
IVAN, start with IVAN

>>174808290
Tome4.
Welcome the dark.

>>174808046
there were multiple different things that the ambiguous word "needlestab" was used for
the word was in use even before needles had a bonus vs stabbable enemies

>>174808454
as far as i'm aware the above definition is the literal and only definition of "needlestab" being simply stabbing with needles. etymologically the term shouldn't even exist prior to stabbing with needles