Wargames General /wgg/

Realism is not a valid argument
t.madmat

>>174653950
I literally ambushed a fucking m10A1 with my panther D from the SIDE from forests and it somehow fucking one shot my panther D

SD is wonky as fuck

From the ultra slow vehicles and infantry almost immediately getting pinned down after coming under fire to the unbalanced units like jumbos and allied tanks, this game is bullshit which I'll probably refund

Mow/SD discord
https://discord.gg/watM75d

>>174654053

But I was told by /wgg/ the current accuracy model is extremely reliable and a very good part of the game with absolutely no flaws and any changes to it would completely ruin the game.

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>>174654053
Literally nothing wrong with the accuracy model
Anyone who says otherwise will get "respectfully disagrees" and probably hates France and Eugen
t. MadMatt

Also, the French division will be equipped with AMX-50s as their primary armor support since they would have had those by '43 at the latest if the Germans hadn't sneak attacked us

>>174655583
temper your rage by posting more painted ww2 images like that senpai

Did the U.S have M24 Chaffee's by Normandy?

>>174656501
no, but there was account where group of m24s killed 3 panthers in less than 30 seconds which clearly states it will break the game balance and is OP by all standards

>cried about nebels instead of not blobbing
>now crying they don't get more armored toys

Is there anything worse than allied players?

>>174657548
10v10 players

>>174657548
look at the fucking AT tab of 3rd and tell me thats okay when they had the 803rd attached to them since omaha

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>I don't see anything wrong with this and i think it's fair.

t. delusional wehraboo

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>>174658261
where are the fucking AMERICAN TANK DESTROYERS

>>174657970
see
>>174653767

Are there any good campaigns for Men of War?

>>174658670
No. The original Men of War had a dynamic campaign generator though

>>174658261
What's their phase a armor look like

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>>174658440
WHY WERE M10s OPEN TOPPED?!

>>174659852

Literally does not exist, the only armored vehicle in phase A is the Puma armored car with the 50mm cannon.

>>174659921
Gotta go fast

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Oh, what's that? You thought infantry AT could penetrate Jumbos frontally? Nope. Literally 0% chance.

>>174660663
Just flank or c4 :^)

Anyone have the issue where the screen just goes black if you tab out? The music keeps playing but the games never re-loads itself.

Really fucking annoying

>>174660663
If they are going to do this, they should at least put an AP value for AT infantry. I don't even know how many times this has happened to me.

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>>174660663
even more secret stats
never change frenchmen

>>174660971
alt-enter x2

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>>174660663
what did they mean by this?

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>when the tank rush meets the maluyka line

i won my first gaem lelelel

>>174661634
Ah thanks

PLAY MOW WITH ME PLEASE

>>174659921
better crew awareness, who needs a cupola when the commander and gunner can just stick their head out the roof? they are going to be in a ambush position anyway + makes the tank go faster

>>174662939
>>174663067
lol fuck off kiddos,this is a Steel Division general, not a 'dead games' general

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>>174663195
ww2 is so 1938 man the cold war is where it's at

One bofors puts out enough suppression to see off a HS in one pass

>oh please please buff AA, I can't shoot down anything!

Is the new Callo fDuty /wgg/

>>174662939
are you the guy that posted the airborne deck earlier?

>>174659921
everyone was experimenting with all sorts of weird suboptimal shit back then until they ditched it all and settled on mbts

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>>174663608
yes i am indeed it seemed to work out well enough but shit got hairy when i realized what was going on back here and TOWspammed but it all ended up working out

cheers for your advice

>>174664283
>'TOW'
>clearly soviet

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>>174664283
>>174663296
>>174662939
>RTS symbols

>>174664563
wire operated missiles or some shit they're perfectly analogous to the SACLOS stuff of nato

my terminology is shite fuck filth

>>174664621
get mad but don't worry because i have no more screenshots

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The thing I hate the most about RD is not the cancerous meta or the hon hon hon je me le caesar ;)

The thing I hate the absolute fucking MOST is the disgusting terrain and the god-awful brown filter placed over everything. Why the fuck does every fight have to take place in buttfuck nowhere with red sand and mountains for days? Why can't we fight in Norway or in mainland Europe for a change? Where did all the lush, bright maps of EE and ALB fuck off to? Why is literally every nation on the planet fighting over some huts in Southeast Asia?

Normandy is am improvement, but I'd still prefer the Fulda gap over France.

>durr why are all the red dragon maps in east asia
>why can't it just be in europe again like the last two games?

>>174665319
I think maps like paddy or tough jungle don't look that Asian. That everyone always plays bloody ridge isn't a flaw of the game.

>>174653691
>/rts/
who else DoW3 beta hee

>>174665319
>eugene will never get their shit together and make a proper WG4 in europe with all of SD's enhancements

>>174665757
It's shit. Hardly an RTS. More like a MOBA.

>>174665757
>DoW3
>relic
We play real games here

>>174666101
can you explain how the gameplay lends to your views on it?

>>174665757
>DoW3
take your shitty 3 faction pseudo-MOBA elsewhere

Is there really no way to know if the enemies radar is on when you send a SEAD aircraft?

I keep losing them because they fly right at it and never launch.

IRL they would know if it was on or not

>>174665757
post it nobody can stop you

>>174666717
enabled AA gets spotted from much longer than the SEAD's firing range, so if you're not spotting anything it means they're disabled
it's a bad idea to use SEAD as a farming tool anyway, you should send it after your other planes to protect them, kills are incidental to that role

>>174667130

well just now I had an Ottomatic spotted by other units, sent SEAD at it, it never fired because obviously its radar was off and then it died.

I guess I just have to micro it and see if it fires at the range it should and break it off if it doesn't?

Thats kind of dumb.

>>174667302
first, otomatics have relatively short range, so even if it was on it wouldn't have fired at your plane before being destroyed

second, because of a bug sead can shoot at any spotted radar AA; the on/off thing just controls whether the SEAD will magically spot it, so even if the oto was off you can still shoot it if it's spotted

as for microing, you should always break off regardless of whether it fires. You determine the furthest possible location from the aa net where you'll still be in firing range, tell the plane to go there and evac - going any deeper just increases the chance of getting shot down while evaccing for no gain

When the game doesn't work the way I think it should, it is objectively: wonky, unbalanced, bullshit and dumb.

>>174667901

It wasn't the otomatic that killed me it was some sams hidden far behind it.

It wouldn't have gotten in their range if it had fired when it was supposed to.

You're saying if the radar is off it could still shoot it? That doesn't sound right at all.

ME 109 G6 or FW 190 as a dedicated fighter?

FW has the speed and durability (and bombs if you want to use it that way)
ME has the extra 20mm, better agility, better optics, veterancy (if you go 2x in both cases) and is cheaper

>>174668390
If the radar is off but spotted via other means, the SEAD can shoot it due to a bug. The radar, being off, can't shoot.

The hidden SAMs in your case were probably EOTS, which are nonradar and thus unaffected by SEAD according to honhon logic. If they were radar sams you would've spotted them much earlier.

Oh I should note the ME is also more accurate by 1pt of accuracy

Unless the speed and durability are that much of an extra factor I just don't see an argument for the FW

>>174668871
It's to be expected that a multirole is less efficient than a dedicated unit.

>>174668981
I've seen people argue that the fw makes the ME obsolete and just wondered why

>>174669089
For the sake of argument I'll point out that fighters should probably always be taken at max vet. The kill chance and speed increase noticeably. But I have no opinion on the issue at hand.

>>174668724
>ME has the extra 20mm
What version of the 190 is in the game? Afaik most of the versions carry 4 20mm while the 109 carries 3 with gunpods.

>>174670150
FW 190 G3

ME has 2x 13mm, 2x20mm, 1x20mm
FW has 2x 13mm, 2x20mm, 4x50kg bombs

Am I the only one autistic enough to get triggered every time I see "Me 109?"

It's Bf, damn it, these guys should know better.

>>174672058
Go on then autismo, tell me that nobody from either the German or the Allied side called it an ME 109.

Next you'll be saying they should rename the Jumbo to 'M4A3E2 Assault Tank' just because

on a scale of 1-10 this thread is dead/10

WG > SD

>>174677342
probably

but SD is at least new and slightly different

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>>174659921
>>174663608
Tank destroyer doctrine.
If you want a longer version, I'll start from the beginning.
In 1940, the US had one of those "Oh fuck" moments. Germany had just absolutely wrecked France, accepted to be the best military on the continent, in maneuver warfare with tanks, and the US had about a thousand, none of which were much good. As they set about producing an improved light tank (to become the Stuart), they began devising ways to counter the German tactics (Heavy recon to find weak spots in a defensive line, overwhelming concentrated force to break through and encircle).
What they came up with was the concept of a Tank Destroyer. While tanks would be issued both to Infantry divisions, and form their own divisions, the new TD divisions would be held behind the front line. The forces on the line would pin down the attackers, while the TDs would rush to the scene, and set up in ambush positions while the defenders would pull back, and let the emplaced TDs take care of the offensive.
To do this, they needed to be foremost fast, secondly have a gun big enough to be effective at range, and thirdly have good visibility, which means open tops. The original vehicles were the M6 Fargo: a 3/4 ton Dodge with a 37mm in the bed, and M3 GMC, an M3 half track with a WW1-vintage 75mm field gun on top.
At Kasserine Pass, they accounted well for themselves, though that's one of ~3 instances I'm aware of when TDs were used in their intended role. Subsequent developments, namely M10 and M36 were tanks in all but name, and by the Jackson's arrival, the Germans were out of tanks anyway.
They accounted well for themselves, all told. Despite being used well outside what they were intended for, the M36, for instance, spend most of Korea under ROK use, and shit all over the Nork's T-34s.
Also, if you ever hear anyone mention McNair in reference to some variation of "He opposed M4(76)", do me a favor and punch them straight in their uninformed face.
Have an m10.

>>174666095
>enhancements
literally just waypoints and the LOS tool. Everything else was a mistake.

>>174667302
turn off the gun and right click the oto, shift-right-clicking behind your lines

>>174668816
recheck this. You're 100% wrong.
SEAD can't fire on turned-off radar units, but can fire on spotted empty turned-on ones.

What the fuck I just learned that you can "repair" infantry units and they get men back?

Holy shit.

>>174680987
no

>>174663296
not with how eugen handled it

>>174658261
yeah the fucking king tiger has less armor than a jumbo

>>174682126
You mean the same armour, they both have 21

They could add on an extra point or two to the Tiger 2's armour, but honestly in terms of frontal armour they were pretty similar.

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S U P E R G A L E B

>>174682464
Tiger 2 has almost double the effective armor of the jumbo wtf

>>174682841
The tiger has 14 inches of effective armour? That's quite impressive.

>>174682979
The Tiger 2 has 150mm upper hull, the Jumbo has 100mm upper hull do the math, both about the same slope too, infact a steeper slope on the jumbo accounting for a negative penalty

>>174683305
Yes but nobody will ever believe you here or on any forum, because I can just call you a wehraboo ahahahaha

>>174683917
Whatever wehraboo

>>174683917
Troglodyte wehraboo

>>174683917
Shut the fuck up naziboo

>>174683917
back to >>>/pol/

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>Some tank variants in Gates of Hell will have randomized sandbags/logs strapped the side of the tank that actually add a small bit of protection
RELEASE WHEN

>>174684181
Sandbags actually help normalise tank shells, INCREASING their penetrative potential

In Robz mod is the UK better than the soviets?

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Eugen pls buff nebelwerfer to historical levels.

>>174685842
>playing memeus front

>>174684181

It honestly look like yet another release of Men of War. They've been milking this engine since Soldiers: Heroes of WWII, which was release in 2004, without making any significant improvements. Why the FUCK would anyone be hype for Men of War Assault Squad 3?

>>174685968

>not supporting the only company making decent operational level wargames with actual graphics and properly modeled ballistics out there.

You're the reason the wargame market is fucking AIDS with hex based wargames and turn based sprites.

>>174684181
>not strapping bedframes to your tank to stop panzerfausts.

>>174658261
don't cry burgerboo

>>174685992
I think its actually not made by this full-retard developers that made mowas 1 & 2 but some naziboo modders that bought the rights to engine or something? someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Are there good recent single player wargames that arent turn based?

>>174679414
>he wants cap zones and the ability to fire without exposing your position back

look at this retard and laugh

>>174688885
Define recent.

Does it count if it has both turn based and real time?

>>174689223
like last two or three years?
and it doesnt really matter
I just dont feel like playing turn based hex simulators ever again

>>174689359
Have you tried Combat Mission?

>>174689383
I think so, really long time ago
maybe its worth trying again

>>174689359
All sequels, I belive. There's also Syrian Warfare for some urban combat.

>>174689383
I remember reading complaints about the AI. How's it?

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>>174689563
If you want to get into Combat Mission try CMFI and CMFB for WW2, or CMBS for 2000s stuff.

>>174689628
AI is alright. Can be retarded sometimes in quick battles but in the campaigns I've had my ass handed to me multiple times.

>>174658440
>dat poor driver at 0:26

Anyone looking forward to dawn of war 3?

>>174690575
lol no.

>Better guns
>Better armor
>Rocket support

Is there any reason to actually take a P51 over a P47?

>>174691503
P-51 turns better, is cheaper and you don't always get a choice between the two.

>>174690575
I am. I want to see how hard it bombs as well as backflipping terminator armour.

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>Mod tools in Steel Division
Who else is looking forward to the inevitable 40k mod?

I think this engine might actually be a good fit for the setting.

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>>174685842
>fight battle against germans
>they deploy their entire force in a concentrated area
>wiped out 80% of their infantry force and 10% of their vehicles with arty alone

>>174653691
How do you want Nebelwerfers nerfed/buffed?
What do you think will really happen?

>>174693465
Nufflewuffles are fine the way they are.

>>174688950
in embracing a frontline system, all you are gaining are featureless maps. Many terrain types wouldn't work with such a system, and rightfully important points would be worth less.
Also, moments like https://youtu.be/12B54GwbC_g?t=9m22s would never be seen.

>ability to fire without exposing your position
sounds like you want removal of mechanics you can't deal with. Stealth works as an alternative to armour for the lighter decks, and that brings variety.

>>174679768
>recheck this. You're 100% wrong.
ah ye, got confused about the nature of the bug

>>174693867
There's stealth and then there pure retardation in having a fucking tank fire a 120mm gun and units in range somehow not seeing it.

Cap points never made sense, they're just arbitrary points to fight over for no reason, the front line encourages offensive play and feels more natural

>>174688950
>he wants to be able to spot things without bringing recon
look at this retard and laugh
back to coh2 with you

>>174693867
that vid is ranked wargame in a nutshell

neurotic micro frenzy with no thought to actual tactics

>>174694254
>Soldiers are blind unless they're recon

>all those destruction games

refunded tbqh

>>174694512
you'd say that of any RTS.

>60apm is neurotic micro
grandpa pls, stick to movies and backgammon

>>174694919
sure, but for some reason wargame has a reputation of being light on micro

>>174695009
because it is
I opened the vid at a random point around 4m, and the guy selects an unit and gives them an order every 1-3s. This is very laid back if you already know what you want to do.

This is what heavy on micro looks: https://youtu.be/x26w9Ngk314?t=377

>>174695009
that's because APM is not a huge deal, and there's plenty of downtime to consider your actions.
I think I average around 40 APM yet still have a high rank.

>>174695176
Not the guy you responded to but from what i've seen most of the apm seems to come from them clicking the same spot numerous times.

>>174686341
>hex based wargames and turn based sprites.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, you subhuman piece of /simg/ cancer.

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>>174694983
>spamming clicks is evidence of skill

>>174695443
What the fuck does /simg/ have to do with this?

>>174695436
The APM measured in-game by SC2 is indeed inflated, but that's not the only thing. SC2 and really nearly all RTS have a very restricted camera. You can only watch a tiny part of the map at a time, not enough to even see the entire frontline or your entire base. So efficient gameplay involves hotkeying a lot of parts of the map and lots of sets of units and jumping between them every second, like so:
>base hotkey barracks hotkey 4x build marine hotkey frontline hotkey check for enemies base hotkey 1x build SCV

You can see in the video how he keeps jumping between presaved positions. There's a lot of this type of muscle/control skill in most RTS that isn't present in wargame because here units have delayed reactions [giving them a new order every second doesn't do much] and you can just pin the camera up high and see everything. Hell, I'm pretty sure in that wargame video above, the guy doesn't even use hotkeys when selecting his units most of the time.

>>174695623
giving an order every other second isn't spam

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>>174695931
>60 apm
>every other second

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>he minmax's every game he plays

>>174696891
apm measures things like selecting units as well

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Today in Steel Division i learned just how Stupid Kraut players really are.

Despite the fact that his units outmatched me in every front. that the Rain of nebels ripped up all of my defenses and no matter how many panthers i killed they just kept coming.

but we still won. this fucker could have steamrolled me SO hard but he was just too stupid.

why Are Axis players SO terrible.

Recon in SD is used for actual reconnaissance.

Recon in Wargame is used because every unit in the game is blind and retarded.

>>174697259
didnt wargame high end vehicles have good optcs?
but in SD everything but recon and planes have shit for optics

How is challenger a tank and not just tank destroyer?

>>174697436
they made it so anything firing gets spotted and located, so optics don't matter anymore

>>174697542
>how is Cruiser Tank Mk VIII Challenger (A30) a tank?

>>174697436
>didnt wargame high end vehicles have good optcs?
They had 'medium'.


At the end of the day, tanks in wargame could fire back at units invisi-firing at them it just required a stupid amount of player micro, with the player fire-pos'ing where the shots came from. Steel Division just takes out the bullshit micro required.

>>174697605
Units without recon in SD are completely incapable of decent offensive action, but they'll still shoot back at things at engage them. If you don't see how a defender can use this to completely abuse an attackers lack of recon I feel sorry for you.

>>174697605
Youre just going to ignore all recon units and try to steer or vehicles at least 300m away from all bushes, trees and buildings that can hide bazookas?
or what are you getting at, I have not played wargame

>>174697712
>Units without recon in SD are completely incapable of decent offensive action, but they'll still shoot back at things at engage them.
this tells me you're a destruction master who thinks pushing involves sneaking without revealing your own units, so I'm not sure you're in a position to feel sorry for anyone

>>174697890
>this tells me you're a destruction master who thinks pushing involves sneaking without revealing your own units
how?

nigga you think you can attack without recon, good luck getting raped by hidden AT guns and 20mm.

>>174698036
you attack with infantry
infantry is very resilient and cheap
infantry does not care about your hidden AT guns
tanks to do not push and risk themselves, they sit back and snipe at anything that shoots at your incredibly cheap infantry

these are basics that have been constant for years, yet many destruction shitters thinks that pushing is about moving exceptional recon along hedges hoping to spot enemy units to snipe without giving the opponent a chance to score destruction points in return; this only works in destruction because the goal there isn't to take ground but to snipe one more unit than the other guy and then camp hard

>>174697153
wehraboos m8

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>burgers grasping for straws

>>174694550
>all those artyshitters

same

>>174695849
It's pure cancer, and only pure cancer would post something that retarded.

>>174698948
So there's no basis for it and you're a salty retard?

get a trip so I can filter you

>>174653691
>(embed)

You had one job.

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>>174697153
>that churchill turret

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>>174701274
Whats wrong with it?

>>174697707
its a like a tank that cant do tanky things
and it looks stupid

Will the final version of Steel Division look better? I have it on max settings and to be frank Red Dragon was a much nicer looking game.

Also naval combat when?

>>174702212
>Will the final version of Steel Division look better? I have it on max settings and to be frank Red Dragon was a much nicer looking game.
It's a weird looking game, but the grass is the only thing that really ruins it for me. Shit looks ass and near halves my fps when it renders.

>>174699439
Where is your frog, cancer?

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They never learn, do they?

>>174702675
I'm certainly not who you think I am, now come on and hurry up with that trip

>>174702714
no, clappers are trash at everything

>>174703143
Except winning the war you fucking kraut.

>>174703269
Get bombed, son.

>>174703269
but you arent russian :^)

NEW DIVISIONS WHEN

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>>174703340
I'm good thanks. Feel free to go crazy though.

>>174703269
>Bragging about getting deceived by jews into killing aryan master race

Thanks for making things so shit nowadays, with jews and banks controlling everything.

>>174703690
>losing the war

>It's a Destruction Game
>He plays 17.SS
>He sits in the deployment zone near an open and spams arty, AT, and AA the entire time
>He brags about his superior ubermensch deck

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>>174703690

stay asshurt, rhine niggers

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>>174704451
>being this assblasted

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>>174704451
hey buddy
still butthurt from yesterday?

The phase system is bollocks.

why are ju 87 so slow?

>>174705879
Allied bias
If they made them their actual speed the Allied players would howl until the germans are even more nerfed than they are now

>>174706258

t. wehraboo

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When they are bunched up just right

Will i be able to refund when its out?

>>174706494
After its out and you are done playing more than 2 hours - nope.

Why is Omaha sideways? Stupid frogs, obviously we want to play coming from the beach!

>>174706937

It's flipped on its side for 3v3.

Does Infantry in steel division fight with grenades? Does regular line infantry have any anti tank ability like line infantry in wargame?

>>174707919
some infantry come with HE grenades
dunno how to make them use those
others come with rocket launchers that are supposed to be 100% penetration on armor
theres also infantry that has nothing but shitty rifle and risk of heart failure

>>174688885

Command Ops 2.

Anybody write a guide for steel division yet? Or offer any pointers? I played Red Dragon but I'm lost with the new mechanics and new infantry focus. I read the guide in the OP but it wasn't very helpful.

>>174707919
Infantry can use grenades on open topped vehicles

Wehraboos killed WW2 games.

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>Graviteam tactics Operation Star, Krasnaya Polyana
>entire campaign resting upon 5 KV-1's, 3 rushed to the centre where it's most critical, 2 on the right flank, and a shitty little cavalry force equipped with dushka's and a regimental artillery spotter on the left
>each turn getting elite mechanised SS platoons thrown at me
>my men don't even shoot back, there are just so many MG42's that they usually cower in their trenches
>KV-1's standing firm and demolishing row after row of high tier units
>single dushka in an ambush knocked out ~4 Sd.Kfz's on the left before going down, meaning that even though that flank got smashed, it could hold on until some proper AT could reinforce from the south
It's just so beautiful. I'm only 3 turns in, but it's all shaping up so nicely.

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These Germans can't fight for shit. They killed a billion of my infantry with haha lol xd nebelspam and they STILL got their asses handed to them

>>174710867
Still, surely you don't need to clump that hard.

>>174707919
All infantry in SD have HE grenades with a 100m (or maybe 50m) range, they will use them on open topped vehicles.

Some infantry squads have satchel charges or bundle grenades, these are exclusively for use on enemy infantry.

Some infantry squads have AT grenades, if they bit they will fuck up almost any tank.

Some infantry squads have anti tank rocket launchers, they are very effective against all but the heaviest of tanks.

>>174711040
>just don't clump xd

That nebelwerfer fired four times, killing three units on average. Three units in an entire town is not fucking clumping.

>>174703434
didn't we just get two new ones this morning

>>174711156
>That nebelwerfer fired four times
Oh ok. I assume there was no way to get bombers to them. Usually they are pretty far back with a lot of AA cover.

>>174710761
I tried to play graivteam but I didn't understand what was happening. The scale of combat felt weird with such big maps and small engagments.

Steel Division was okay until they added these new divisions. I suspect the powercreep's only going to intensify from this point onwards until we reach Red Dragon levels of retardation again. Oh well, easy refund.

>>174712232
Well we've got 12 divisions in total I think. Seems to me they'd have to offer definitive strengths over each other or they'll be useless for the most part.
Wouldn't surprise me a whit if the french division is the best though because honhonhon

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>tfw too retarded for command ops or graviteam
>terribad at SD

>>174712543
18 divisions total, not 12.

>>174712576
Ah well 18 then. I guess we'll only find out how viable other divisions are when we see their full roster.

>>174712574
Graviteam isn't difficult to play, you just need to spend awhile with the interface and it's easy peasy.

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>>174711893
Once you get into it a bit, the engagements start to kick up in size. Mostly around urban locations, or if you get an encirclement going.

I'm getting engagements of ~250 infantry per side, plus vehicles (Germans would have like 8-10 Sd.Kfz's at the number, plus any tanks, over a ~1-2 km sq battlefield. It's really quite active. The total map is far bigger, but I try to get as many encirclements as possible, and pick my fights.

I definitely get what you mean though. Sometimes the battlefields feel barren when it's a wide front with few troops, so that's part of why I always go for stacked forces, and avoid forests. Certain campaigns are worse at filling out the map than others. Try Shilovo if you haven't, I remember it being a clusterfuck.

Also, that feel when pin a stug with two KV-1's at a range where no-one can get any armor penetration, and flank from a completely different location with my reserve KV-1. I knew there was a reason I left the third out on that flank.

>>174712830
and the newest and Im assuming most polished/streamlined graviteam game.

I already have op star

>>174713091
Mius Front has a better UI yes, lacks content though.

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>worlds luckiest bren carrier crew

>>174713286
I guess I'll stick with OP star then until I figure it out

Is the game supposed to be so slow? Units taking forever to get plaeces, etc.

>>174713645
You can fast-move everywhere, but patience rewards you in the long run. Make use of your time compression. I haven't really played any other wargames so I can't say too much compared to others (the closest is the total war franchise, but that's really quite arcadey, at least the newer iterations), but I've found it to be a quite slow game, with moments of extremely high pace. Often, it'll be 10 minutes until contact, but once contact happens, shit hits the fan.

It's far better to bide your time for the enemy to walk into your trap with arcs of fire, pre-sighted artillery, etc, than it is to just grab the battalion and do an "attack here" click, anyway. Same for not leaving good defensive ground to rush someone. It's a game that rewards patience.

Basically; time compression.

>>174711110
>Some infantry squads have satchel charges or bundle grenades, these are exclusively for use on enemy infantry.
>these are exclusively for use on enemy infantry.
What is this stupid shit?

>>174713645

The UI in mius front makes the whole experience about 50x less frustrating, the improved AI and order system also help.

>>174716001
those are engineer/assualt squads for removing enemy infantry from urban buildings

Any deck building tips for Steel Division? Are scout planes worth a slot?

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>reddit

>>174718242
leddit is full of wehrs

>>174718242
which part of 3rd armored is so good?

>>174718727
The impenetrable Jumbo of course

>>174718886

UNSTOPPABLE KILLER EUGEN PLS NERF

>>174718886
My Pak 43 has different opinion on this matter

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>>174718886
posting this never gets old

>>174719205
Buff the PaK 43 Eugene please it doesn't have nearly enough pen or range

>>174653691
>Steel Panthers MBT
SP:WAW was better

Is it even worth trying to get into WG:RD or is it ded? Should I just pick up the new ww2 game if I'm a beginner?

>Accidentally play a game on the Axis team
>One guy rushes Fallschirms over an open field, gets mowed down and quits
>One guy keeps losing planes to enemy fighters over and over and over again
>Team has no AA
>Ever
>"HELP ENEMY TANKS RIGHT FLANK"
>Successfully deter push that shitter had failed to counter with three stugs
>Shitter doesn't do anything to capitalize on tank battle victory and just calls in more infantry to sit in his town way behind the front lines
>Game mode: Conquest

Jesus fucking christ naziboos are human garbage and should be deleted along with their cancer "support" deck

>>174721539
Red Dragon isn't "ded" but it's not as active as it used to be. Lots of cancer in multiplayer with team-stacking and kicking. I guess it depends on whether WW2 or the Cold War intrests you more

Wargame worth getting into at all? Is single-player any good? Am I going to find it casual, or complex?

t. only played /wgg/ is Graviteam, Op Star

>>174722484
it's a good deal less complicated than op-star, AI is bs though

Anyone feels like SD meta is shifting more and more into artillery? Before the last +2 divisions patch it wasn't like that and now I'm seeing horrendous arty spam on both sides.

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How the FRICK do I use recon in Combat Mission? When I use them to screen they're always destroyed by a hidden atgm or vehicle before they can even see it. Now I just bring them up to the edge of my side of the map and just leave them there for the game. Also, does leaving recon infantry or command units in vehicles help their LOS?

>>174722594
take them out of the vehicle if you dont want them to get spotted.

Only helps their line of sight if the vehicle has optics, really helps if it has IR optics.

But unless you are on an open field map, it is better to just dismount recon and set a fire arc around 50m

>>174716714
And why shouldn't be able to also use them against tanks?

>>174723054
French balance

Anyone can teach me, or at least tell me how to make webm from SD replay?

>>174723362
use Webm for Retards

>>174723054
>HE vs Tanks
hmmm

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>3rd AD gets no TD's because Madfagg says they weren't an organic part of the Division
>3rd gets AAA despite AAA also not being an organic part of the division.

>>174722565
I haven't been finding it much of a problem, I mainly play 3v3 though.

>>174723362
webm for bakas

maybe put it through sony vegas or something first

Do kamikaze have the stealth bonus in Robz mod?

>>174723413
>>174723491
Ok, thanks I will do some googling

>>174724236
Yes.

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>>174718242

>12 SS is weaker than 3AD

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getting back into wargame r8 my old blue dragons deck. what could i change?

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>>174723450
I agree that the 3rd should have M10, but this arument is forums-tier retarded, because he also says they added things that they felt were needed, aaa was needed, tds apparently not (pic related)

(also, they didn't have organic aaa, tds, towed at... what was organic to us divisions? only tanks and infantry?)

>>174721539
WRD has been "ded" for two years now. That's to say, people always fear that it's on the decline, but it's held consistent numbers and still has more players than newer releases like SD

>>174718242
https://strawpoll.com/8a5a4gr

Vote

>>174725871
They had AAA battallions attatched in the exact same way that they had TD Bn's attatched.

Fuck him

>>174725718

The best thing to do with this deck is Delete it and go make an OP as shit Sov general.

Handheld redfor is the war forwards.

>>174722594
INF in hunt or slow walk are very hard to spot or just rush into buildings because vehicles and tanks have about 50% LOS than INF, but im taking this from WW2 Combat mission so i don't know how Black Sea does LOS.

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>>174726491
>redfor is handheld

>>174726267
>mad "the firefly is OP??? but how many stuarts do 3rd armored get instead huh?????" mat
>mad "the beta is NOT for balance discussion stop complaining (pierre tell them they're stupid in the next dev blog)" mat
>mad "LE HONHON BAGUETTE DU FROMAGE" mat

>>174722594
>>174726635
Oh yea and it helps if the squad has binos.

>>174725718
kafv 40/50 is is pretty much supplanted by kafv 25
there are some niche cases where you'd prefer m18 over m36, but I doubt that's what you had in mind, so take m36
guntank does more damage than biho
I'd ditch stinger manpad for mistral which is way better
chu-mat jeeps do less damage than tow 2 but the missile is faster and they're much more disposable
you dont need 19 units of heliborne infantry
i'd lighten up the supply and vehicle tabs and get more planes, you lack asf, you lack AT

>>174726128
this poll is shit for determining power rankings. anyone with a brainstem is going to vote luftlande, and you only get one vote, so the rest will be empty except for random retard votes. something like "vote for the 2 or 3 weakest divisions" would work better.

>>174725871
http://www.eur.army.mil/pdf/Normandy-Breakout.pdf#page=26&zoom=auto,-213,32 This is essentially a holy grail for US division organisation.

May as well give it to that frog fuck every time he goes MUH ORGANIC

>>174728000
>implying they won't just delete the post like they always do when MadFag is proven wrong

I'm more of a gluten-free kind of guy. Organic just itsn't cutting it anymore.

>>174728346
What did they delete last time?

Daily reminder 2em Free French is going to get 2x1 cards of M10A1s in phase A.

3AD and 12th SS Galactic Prettyboys blown the fuck out.

>>174731558

>5 accuracy
>13 AP

Enjoy your 16% chance to hit and 16% chance to penetrate the enemy Firefly.

>>174731713
kys naziboo

>>174731713>>174731558

What are the chances they will be 1-2 star veterancy?

>>174731854

1 star veterancy would give you 27% CTH and 2 star would be 41%. So you'd need a 2 star veterancy M10 to match the accuracy of the Firefly with a command unit.

>>174731830

>Naziboo
>all i want is for the M10 to get 15 AP and 6 accuracy

No, you kys.

>>174723437
IRL grenade bundles were used as AT weapons, and blasts could kill crews even if the tanks were still usable.

>>174732207 They still have 200m of advantage against stug 3f and even if they don't have that intrisict veterancy pair them with leader and you have 1/4 to kill that stug while he can't do shit to you.

>>174732931

Yeah but the StuG isn't the major problem in phase A, it's the Firefly.

>>174726826
>I'd ditch stinger manpad for mistral which is way better
the main advantage of MANPADS is stealth, and the main advantage of 5 man teams is ammo. Mistrals get neither.

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>wolverine buttfucking me
>shoot my nerb as a hail Mary
>kills it
>all hail nerbal
>this anally devastates the ameriboo
My sides hurt

m15 or bofors?

>>174733910
he should take psam if he doesn't like mistral
the main advantage of manpads is that they're very cost-efficient and can enter buildings, you can get lethal damage on a plane with just 50-70pts

Why do Allies have so many fighters? Only thing going for the Luflande is their air power, but by the time they get 4 fighters in B, Allies already have 6-8. Luftlande seriously needs a buff.

>>174734332
Fuck off nerb is so broken right now

>>174735328
Fuck off, Luftcuck

>>174735904
Why are you mad though? Did you lose to Luflande, the worst of the divisions?

>>174735328
Because I watched the 5 P51s I deployed as a Combat Air Patrol get shot down because the dogfighter AI is utterly retarded and requires maximum micro.

I have the final solution for the Jimbo question.

>>174735328
>109s get anti-bomber gun pods with no loss in maneuverability, allowing them to kill anything in 2 seconds while turning like a spitfire
>STILL complaining

>>174736631
AI's the same with german fighters

>>174737201
>slow as fuck
>Allies get fighters phase A
>guaranteed shoot down
>STILL complaining
Seems like you need to git gud and not complain about the worst deck.

>3v3
>enemy triples up against you and the guy next to you on the far left and center
>leaves the factory completely undefended
>far right teammate advances unopposed to the first line of the factory building and completely stops and asks us for support while we're busy holding off the German fuccbois
>literally fighting no one the entire game and continuously asks for support

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*nerbuls your path*

what do you do?

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>>174735443
nice butthurt

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>>174738965
Tell the jerries to fuck off with 25pdrs

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>>174739706

>>174739706
How indeed

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>>174739706

>>174739706
Did he survive?

>>174741112
no

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>>174738965

*carpet bombs your family*

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>>174741137

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>>174741137
He died a heroes death

>>174741307
return to reddit you absolute nigger

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>>174741137
Bodied
Baited
Blasted
Butchered

>>174741462
F

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>>174739706
CMD M5A1 confirmed the hero we deserve.

>game crashes
>can't rejoin game
why

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>>174739706

>Jefferson

1776 eat shit krauts

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Finally i managed to break the greek line,if only i didn't waste so many men in the center i could have done it sooner.

>>174742353
>breaking the Greek line
>not conducting a strategic retreat into Albania, asking the Germans for help, then signing an alliance with Greece and attacking the Germans in the rear

>>174742353
What game?

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nerbals at you*

>>174744720
WinSPWW2
Its free, and so is the Cold War-Modern day version WinSPMBT

>>174741462
I dont know what kind of images reddit uses. Maybe you could educate me since you seem quite knowledgeable about that site.

>>174744743
Ok ralfidood

>>174745187
>Its free
Wasn't it required to go through some hoops to get the full game for free?

>>174746645
just renaming a file

>>174746695
>>174746645
before you ask:
Rename CamoDLL.dll to DXAniTimer.dll

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Overall, I must give Steel Division a 2/10 rating.

It's just not good.

To be more precise:
The gameplay is vastly improved from the Wargame triad with everything from the deck system to spotting being fixed, the aesthetics are on-point and enjoyable, the foreseeable campaign will actually be a proper campaign and not repetitive "dynamic" trash, and each faction has variation and playstyle instead of being the same shit regurgitated save for an OP unit or two.

But there's one glaring issue that I can't get over, and that's the complete absence of the BMP from the game. Without a BMP, I cannot bring myself to truly enjoy this game.

>>174748754
just refunded it and got Settlers 7 instead

>>174748754
>the foreseeable campaign will actually be a proper campaign
With the usual memetastic AI that can win only by cheating.

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>two bunkers out of nowhere

JUST

>tfw joined Shermanators game just now and he kicked me
what a faggot

>>174749024
AI will be scripted like it was in EE.

>>174739383

>german officers ask to see the "automatic artillery" after their surrender in El-Alamein
>25pdr gets 4rpm in-game

Thanks, Eugen.

>>174749095
Needs a team of shitters to look good on youtube

>>174712232
just wait for the

paradox DLC

>>174748754
the inevitable eastern front game/dlc will come if the game sells well

Besides nerbal and pak memes, what does the 17th really have?

>>174757097
Stugs
decent infantry
good fire support

ded

>>174757097
best tank lineup in the game
decent infantry, no mechanization though
best artillery lineup in the game

>>174763780

Their tank lineup is good, but Stugs will be overwhelmed by the 12 SS or 3AD tank lineups if its purely tank tab vs tank tab

What makes them really effective is the AT tab's extra marders and 88s + arty tab nebel spam. The best part of nebels is how tanks will try to back out of the fire in extremely stupid directions that invariably get them slaughtered.

Who are the most cancerous players in MoW?

>Reachon
>SS CHARLEMAGNE
>PRESIDENT Donald Trump
>SpartanHoplite

Every time I play with on these fucks it is a horrible experience, and it seems like they are always on

>>174757185
panzergrenadier are a little more than decent, I think. they can steamroll any allied infantry short of indianhead out of a town if you use them right. 2xMG42 for 30 points is some kind of shit.

>>174766495

If you're fighting in a town, 60pt nebels are utterly unfair.

In fields the 17 is above average but not unstoppable. They need to use hedgerows intelligently and can be defeated by attrition.

>>174767481
with pak 43s and stug IVs, open fields don't seem like much of a problem at all.

you're not really wrong though. if nurblegarglers get nerfed into the fucking dirt they might be a pretty fair division.

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>>174740072
>Nazi
>Is a jew

You're alright anon

Refunded Steel Division and got Shadow tactics instead, ask me anything

M5A1 has too many mgs
my poor little nazis die so hard in the open

>>174772989
>die so hard in the open
no shit

>>174767869
at first stugs seemed like bad tanks
but it appears that panthers are just op and if its in luft deck its 20% weaker than normal

>>174653691
I never play these games but I like Paradox interactive .

Is Steel Division a good starting game?

>>174776147
yes, it is easier to get into than wargame. The one problem is that there are no tutorials yet.

>>174776147
It's not really like other paradox games, they're just the publisher. It's not particularly hardcore for a 'wargame', it's more of a semi realistic RTS with no basebuilding, but I guess it could be intimidating for a new player.

Have a lot at some gameplay footage on YouTube, I guess VulcanHD is okay. (I think that's his name)

>>174776603
>>174776680
Looks good. I know that its not like other Paradox games but the gameplay does look interesting from the videos I've looked up prior.

I get pretty nervous playing RTS games, especially shit like SC2. So if its easier to get into compared to the other similar games, that's a great thing.

Which is the most popular of these wargames?

>>174777075
Well 'wargame' is just a general term to describe a realistic military strategy game. The games this thread vary in autism levels wildly. Some, like Steel Division and Men of War are just realistic RTS' with no basebuilding. Whereas others like CMANO, could be used as a military training tool.

Steel Division is in open beta atm, it's a good time to get into the game. People aren't that good and the game feels alive.

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>MONTREAL – April 18, 2017 – Publisher Strategy First and developer Graviteam, a studio with a long history of developing realistic wargames such as Graviteam Tactics: Operation Star and Steel Armor: Blaze of War, are teaming up to deliver the historically accurate World War II strategy war game Tank Warfare: Tunisia 1943 to Steam.

>“Set in North Africa during the Tunisian campaign in World War II, one of World War II’s most intense conflicts and offers real-time and turn-based strategy options, making it perfect for hardcore strategy fans, World War II enthusiasts and history buffs,” said Vladimir Zayarniy, Graviteam CEO. “We dedicated a lot of time, energy and passion into offering a painstaking level of realism and detail in all of our units and battle scenarios, and for the first time are featuring US military battling against Axis forces.”

>Tank Warfare: Tunisia 1943 offers two ways to play, with both turn-based and real-time strategy options, each featuring unparalleled levels of realism with adaptive soldier behavior and complex vehicle damage for more than 50 detailed vehicles created between Germany, U.S and the U.K. Players can choose between the Allied and Axis soldiers to relive the Tunisian Campaign and experience this ambitious and historically accurate tank warfare game.

>Tank Warfare: Tunisia 1943 will launch in May 2017 on Windows PC via Steam. Further details, including a date for commercial launch and an upcoming trailer, will be revealed later this month.

>>174777669
It will just be the same old game with a new map who cares. Probably will only have 1 or 2 allied infantry units so he can just re-use the Lend Lease tanks from his previous games

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>>174777726

Wow, rude

>>174777075

wargame is an umbrella term used to describe any sort of (usually large-scale) strategy game focusing on combat between armies. Many of them are turn-based and take their cues from tabletop wargames that involve little painted figurines.

Wargame with a capital W refers to a trilogy of strategy games depicting cold war era combat that takes a lot of its cues from wargames (small w) while trimming a lot of the autism. Steel Division is the new game from them.

How hard is it to get into Combat Mission? I just looked up Black Seas and it seems like a pretty neat concept.

And is it one of those games that if I don't get into the MP I'll get bored very quickly? All the vids on Youtube look like pre-built scenario shitters.

>>174779326
If you like playing campaigns you won't get bored. There are a half dozen or so campaigns in Combat Mission Normandy (the one I play the most) following different divisions and each are like 6-12 missions long and usually have persistent units - if you lose a man he stays dead until you get reinforced and replaced.

Each mission can take you over an hour to maybe two hours. You can also do Skirmishes or make your own scenarios quite easily.

The MP scene is quite small as I think as you have to direct connect to your opponent, there is no lobby, no "hosted" games. You play turn by turn and its essentially "play by email".

I have seekrit documents here that say both the Americans and British recieved reverse lend lease from the Soviets and possessed Katyusha rocket launchers.

Eugen when are you going to add them? Nooblewerfers countered when?