/4ccg/ - yes, Teru-chan, the Fire Rises edition

benis

>/x/

Koala better get to work on the MyuerxMauled fic :^)

>>174649827
The title is obvious: "Will suck cock for export".

"Fucking Pedestrians" was Fucking Robbed

>>174650383

He was, should be included as a side ref

Could one imagine having their team in the fetus? I sure can't.

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Half an hour left for /wsg/, /pol/ and >/x/ to submit their tictacs, arguably /trv/ too, we'll see what happens with them. Nothing, leafs, never again.

/wsg/ are in.
And then there were two.

>>174650864
no /trv/ is perfectly fine.

>>174650864
why the fuck would lear do anything to /trv/ when all that's changed is which cup manager copied down the tactics from mauled's knob

>>174651007
Their export is, the way it was made is questionable because Mauled didn't make it, I know we have the rule about who uploads it to the wiki though.

Realistically speaking, /x/ is the only team that will miss. What happens then? Does /a/ get bailed? Does the >winner of the fetus get seeded third?

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Fuck you /x/

>>174650864
/pol/ is probably waiting for a certain call...

>>174651221
The entirety of pot 3 gets dragged down into the megafetus.

>>174651143
So what if it was made by another manager when mauled pretty blatantly didnt get the tactics from Myuer.

>>174651221

9 teams would advance from the fetus which will be the top 3 teams in each group

>>174651221
Hope for the second option, that Fetus structure would be as easy enough to manage with the same number of games and is more straightforward than Lear's 11 teams 8 up Fetus.

>>174651115
>Dodger not a gold anymore
It's really, really hard being /wsg/'s only fan right now.

>>174651143
Lear's been making Mauled's exports for a year and the only reason he didn't this time was because Mauled somehow thought having someone less of a meatpuppetteer make the export off his knob tactics would make a difference

>>174651115
>running a 4-3-3 in PES 17
kek

>>174651115
I thought Gondola was already an /int/ player?

>THE CITY OF /x/

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>>174651321
>get me Shlomo
>yes the laptop
>pull it

>>174651648
He is but they're not in the same tournament so it should be fine. Don't know what the actual rules about it are though.

>>174651423
>>174651541
We're going to have to clear this up in the future if it's okay for someone to do this though from now on. We don't really want a situation where half the cup is getting their exports made by others. Could be a good way to possibly reintroduce autopilots too.

>>174651541

Still it's a manager from another team, potentially playing in the same cup who made the export

Warrants a 6-month ban, especially since /u/ have backup people

>>174651423
If you're going to be making the export, you should probably be verified as staff.

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>can't actually upload the away kit because it won't compress under 4Mb

>>174651808
>Maulel

>>174651648
Well, both /gd/ and /mu/ had Vaporwave as a player last winter...

>>174651769
Oh shit yeah /u/ is in this cup and now know all the sliders
Oops?

>>174651925
Some variation of Madoka is on 3 teams.

>>174651808
>Mauledidas
Oh no, now Tony will tell Bent to delete the whole thread.

>>174651995
"Some variation of" is the key word.

>>174651808
Seems like the only thing you're interested in putting effort into is plastering your name all over the game.

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>/pol/ is up

What did he mean by this?

>>174651995
/toy/ has parts of Madoka slapped onto a robot.
/u/ has an abstract concept of Madoka that exists beyond space and time.
/a/ has Meguca, who is in fact not a magical girl, but suffering.

/pol/ in.
And then there was one.

/pol/ is up.
>The unsolved murder case of /x/

>>174652125
If you don't get money out of being a merc, you'll at least shoot for the free self-promotion.

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>>174652023
>>Mauledidas

There's no mystery, /x/ is dead.

>>174652128
Can I get a quick rundown on this?

>>174652456
/pol/ sucks.

>>174651648
/wsg/ management asked us if they could borrow him

>>174651738
>In case two teams have the same player on their roster, the managers should come to an agreement about it.

>>174651608
4-2-1-3 is good though???

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>>174651765
It has never been an issue and multiple managers have had other managers make their exports for them with no rigging. The only real condition is that the manager making the export cannot be making the decision as to what goes into the export, the team's manager must be doing that.

I have seen the chat logs between Mauled and Myuer and can confirm that what was done is well within both the rules and how previous cases were handled.

This would be a good reason to bring back autopilots in the future cups again, it's not fair to the few /x/ fans out there that they're out of a cup because the manager bailed on the team, which isn't really anything anyone can fix as the position wasn't free for anyone to take, that would at least keep them in the cup.

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>>174651808
What, this one?

Digital images seem to be another thing you can't do without adult supervision.

>>174652637
I guess they were #toplads right

>>174652674
>/x/
>fans

>>174652578
You're thinking of a 4-1-3-2.

>>174652637
I mean dude, it's """within the rules""" to the extent that nobody's changed the rules, despite all of the consensus being "wow, this is a dumb rule". I know that you've been hesitant to make that change to insulate yourself, but it's pretty disrespectful to the work people put in for him to just glomp on other people to get his low effort done. That would have cut it in 2013, but we're well past that.

>after 2013
>/x/
>fans

>>174652637
So Mauled gets a free card to keep managing a team he doesn't give a shit about?

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>/x/

>>174652291
all that work to make 3 variations of the star of david, oh goyim

>>174652637
Dragonfag did nothing wrong, he just made exports for other 16 teams, which is 100% legal.

>>174652787
>>174652824
What happens if this happens to a bigger market in the future?

In VGL7 Tech was not allowed to make /mhg/'s export because he was a manager for another team.

>>174652956
>/vg/lel

>>174652923
Easy, managers forbidden to manage for a certain amount of time.

>>174652637
Post the logs to let /4ccg/ judge them too.
>>174652956
Wow, another case of VGL being run better than the actual cup again, what a surprise.

>>174652917
Actually, do the rules say anything about managing multiple teams? I only spotted that you need to be verified as a manager.

>>174652923
Ronery will save them if this team happens to be a team from the numerous boards he browses

30 seconds

Press F to pay respects to /x/

>>174653140
F

F

>>174653140
F

>>174653050
not illegal if you won't get caught. You can create exports for basically any number if teams and livemanage by directly instructing your meatpuppets and as long as you won't brag about it, it's passable.

>>174653027
That doesn't help the fact that the team misses out and the fans can't see their team in a cup, a ban won't mean anything if the /x/ manager never comes back either.
>>174653140
F

>>174653140
F

>>174653140
F

>>174652637
>If a manager is unable to create their own tactical export for any reason they shoul- contact a member of the 4CCC for assistance.
Is Myuer a part of 4CCC?

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/x/ IS KILL

STAY TUNED

>>174653140
F

>>174652956
Did Mauled make the tactics on an editor and Myuer export it? Or did Myuer do everything Mauled told him to do
If the former, I did that for /gif/ every cup for Hue until he threw them under the bus (/gif/ actually had an export for Spring 16 I sent him, but he never uploaded it)

>spent 2.5 months learning football tactics to a level where I can understand the complex flow and feel of PES tactics.
>spent 1.5 months watching the Elite Cups and analyzing Darkbow, Feedback, Retort, etc for background information
>Spent 3 weeks analyzing BGP to better understand Darkbow
>Spent 6 weeks analyzing Marqod and Tom to better understand BGP
>Had to spend 2 months learning Polish so I can analyze Bear to get a better understanding of everyone
>Then spent 3 months learning Spanish to analyze Polybius to better understand Bear
>Finally about to become a manager and force /a/ into fetus now that I'm fully prepared and compiled a detailed dossier on every single manager in the cup
>Learn that /x/ bailed out /a/
I'm ending it.

>>174651769
I sent to Lear the entire private conversation that we had when I helped him doing the export.
https://pastebin.com/gnzdRq9s

Here you can find it and read it. As you can see clearly, apart of mentioning of a similiar rabona goal that happened during Winter 17, /trv/ manager gave me all the instructions even the sliders. I canceled the sliders part because ofc I don't want his stuff being told here on the thread. Lear ofc had the entire conversation.

>>174652784
>me
>toplad
I think that me and Lear don't have a very good past.

Now what's the foetus format?

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>/x/

>>174653353
>implying it's not gonna be top 9 advancing from fetus

>>174653312
>Did Mauled make the tactics on an editor and Myuer export it?
Considering in the past he used to upload the whole edit and he doesn't, i am 100% sure is the later.

>>174650738
We don't have control over who shows up as a normal or side ref anymore unfortunately, because of pes17's new rng for the refs.

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>The spooky state of /x/

>>174653427
It should be that as the proposed 11 team Fetus is messier than the 12 team format and takes the same amount of games.

>>174653427
the stated reason for a fetus is to reduce the number of games.

12 team fetus to eliminate 3 teams is 18 matches to eliminate three teams.

All /x/ managers might be legit ded. Possessed possessed every successor and died all over again

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Can we make a shitposting /vip/ autopilot team now to fill in for the qualifier?

>>174653525
Myuer on the left

>>174653563
That reason is dumb, the fetus should exist because the weak should fear the strong.

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>>174652146
>exists beyond space and time.
Actually...

Is a 9 team fetus feasible if you promote the entirety of pot 1 into the babby and leave 6 spots open?

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What if the /x/ manager was ab extraterrestrial being, gathering knowledge for his home planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU

>>174653838
8 spots would make more sense, aka Pot 1 and /trv/ promoted, and the rest plays the fetus

>5 team fetus
10 games. Top 2 advance in a 5 team group.

>6 team fetus
9 games. Two groups of 3 with home/away games. Winners advance and then a playoff between 2nd place teams.

>8 team fetus
13 games. Two groups of 4. Top 2 advance. Playoff between 3rd place teams.

>9 team fetus
12 games. Three groups of 3 with home/away games. Top two advance.

>12 team fetus
18 games. Three groups of 4. Top 3 teams advance.

Which one do you want?

>>174653939
that would be sensible.

>>174653563
11 team Fetus has the exact same number of games as the 12 team Fetus as a three team group play 4 games each rather than 2. I don't know if they're going to do an 8 team Fetus with 5 promoting either. If you finish last in a 12 team Fetus group you don't deserve to be in the Babby Cup.
>>174653838
That has the same number of games as the 12 team Fetus with 4 games played by each team in a 3 team group.

>>174653940
8 team real nigga fetus

>>174653987
>That has the same number of games as the 12 team Fetus with 4 games played by each team in a 3 team group.
I thought the plan was to have 12 team fetus with 4 team groups, since there were four pots.

>>174654012
which 4 teams would avoid the fetus in that case?

>>174654103
/a/ /pol/ /wsg/ /trv/

>>174653940
9 team fetus sounds good, since it keeps the number of games down and the cut-off for promotion is simple: if you are last in your group, you're aborted.

>>174654140
bretty gud, I'd like that

>>174654142
>groups of 3
>home/away matches just to flush 3 extra teams out

I really really don't like this

>>174654103
I don't think the promotion order has ever really been the question.

>>174653940
Whichever format that makes it harder for /co/

>>174654054
Yes, that's the plan but 11 teams has one group with three teams who play 6 games in the group in that format with home/away games, which is the same as a 4 team group.
>>174654142
It doesn't keep the games down if you play home/away as that leaves 6 games per group which is identical to a normal 4 team group. You could do just 2 games but that's not enough games to produce an accurate table.

>>174653987
11 team fetus has a group of 3 which is completely retarded.

>>174654274

You mean all of them?

>>174652637
Kyouko a cute.

Smugleaf confirmed for secret /a/gent.

>>174654329
Exactly, it's pointless to do, you might as well just have a 12 team Fetus with 9 promoting in the same number of games.

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well this is exciting

>>174653382
Way to be an even worse meat puppet than Lear

>>174653940
>8 team fetus
13 games. Two groups of 4. Top 2 advance. Playoff between 3rd place teams.

Objectively the best option.

>>174654490
kys senpai

>>174654457
Or an 8 team fetus.

>>174653140
F

>>174653940
12 team fetus for stat padding :^)

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/a/ got saved by a sockpuppet AGAIN
how many times do we let them get away with it

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>>174654561
ok soon

>>174654598
We'll see if they do that. If they want the big market bailout that might do that. I'm not sure they will though.

>>174654671

Smugleaf is only doing that to be an autistic faggot it isn't final

>>174654698
Ignore the "big market bailout". Ignore which teams are getting saved.

8 team fetus is just the most inherently logical format given the stated aim of the fetus.

>>174654490
Not as exciting as the last fetus with the retirements and fuck ups.

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DO A DRAW ON STREAM NOW

I WANT TO SEE IT

BABBIES TOO

>>174654782
B-b-b-but the purpose of qualifiers is to punish pot 4 teams. Reducing the number of teams to an appropriate size is just a fortunate side effect.
t. Lear

>>174654879
>babby draw before the Pot 1-3 teams' real deadline

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>>174654671
I cant believe this shit anymore

>>174654671
/trv/ got saved by Lear not giving a shit about what Mauled does.

>A manager must act in the best interest of their team and the team's fans.
>A manager is expected to ensure the preparation of both a legal tactical and aesthetic export.
Mauled is expected to look for someone to make his export on /4ccg/ and must act in the best interest of himself.

>>174654782
That does make it harder for newer or revived teams which get added in the future though if the only aim is just to reduce the number of games. It's also there to stop you finishing last in a group, I can see a case for /a/ and /pol/ as they won games but were /wsg/ and /trv/ any better than /his/ or /t/?

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Handegg Tomorrow at normal cup time
You'll meme at this post, but you'll tune in anyway because face it, you browse /4ccg/ and therefore have nothing better to do.

>>174654671
>Johnny rolled it back
meme

>>174655083
Was /k/ any better than /wsg/ or /t/?

>>174653940
8 team is most sensible but /merit/ will pick 12 team because everyone in /merit/ is AB/a/
cap this shit because it's right

>>174654981
Here's a thought: why is pot 4 determined by group placement instead of final ranking? That's never the case for pots 1 and 2 in the babbies. Plus, it would be unfair to a team that ended last in a 4-4-4-4 group to be placed in pot 4 instead of a team that got, say, 2 points and -5 GD but somehow managed to place third in their group.

>>174655083
If we actually care about new and revived teams, we wouldn't let low-effort shitting like Mauled get past the radar.

>>174655316
This so much.

ITT /a/ and /h/ management desperately try to get /a/ out of fetus.

>>174655316

That's the case though; top 2 advance in Babby and Elte, bottom 2 in Elite relegates, top of group is seeded in Ro16

In Winter /u/ had a positive GD yet it relegated while /m/ advanced with a negative GD

>>174655591
if you put /t/ in place of /a/ I'd still be pushing for 8 team fetus because it's actually sensible
however /merit/ hates anything sensible and since /t/ aren't in place of /a/ their AB/a/ sensibilities perk up

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Looks like it'll be a 12 team fetus, here's why:

12 team, 9 advance. The fetus is more about leaving behind the utter shit of the cup, rather than being a ghetto that's difficult to escape from.
The Babbies are the qualifiers to the big leagues, the fetus is to cleanse out the shittiest of the shit.

We have two new revived teams, no point reviving them then giving them a tiny chance of hope by sticking them in a tiny fetus together.

With only one team failing to advance from each group, there will be no excuses like last time. If you fail to get out, it's all on you. There's no /y/ to drag you down, and if a team is fucking around, you're actually going gain from it, not get punished.

>>174655853
>everyone in /merit/ is AB/a/
>/merit/ picks the option that has /a/ in a fetus
:thinking:

>>174655853
Stupid idea considering that there's only 3 extra teams

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>>174655853
Nice.

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Ignore smulel, please read the wiki

The Swiss system is the premier tournament method in the world, and it will allow teams the absolute best chance to prove themselves unlike the tired current format. I look forward to helping organize such a great event.

>>174655853
>cleanse out the shittiest of the shit.
>But still leave team with a manager who doesn't want to touch PES with a 20 foot pole manage.

>>174655853
dude
megababby
lmao

>>174655853
someone do a draw already

>>174656109
How about you draw some dimes first, bucko

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>>174656013
Is there anyway we can lynch Mauled?

>>174656007

What's the swiss system and how does it work in the case of the 4CC?

>>174656193
>not knowing the meme

>>174656007
you look forward to continue choking on dragonfags dick

>>174656193
He's just memeposting

Swiss system was some shit idea suggested by sexcopter. We almost had it in place at one point, but it was scrapped.

>>174656192
Fuck sake, any way not anyway.

>>174655853
Just drop /trv/, /co/ and /t/ from the cup.
Bam not need to do fetus.

>>174656007
Glad to announce that I am returning to the cup to help bring my vision of a swiss system tournament to life!

>>174656258
excuse you I only top

>>174655647
On the other hand the 2015 Autumn fetus was four teams picked by the commissioner.

And the 2016 Spring fetus was done on the basis of ranking instead of finishing last in the group.

And then 2016 Autumn fetus only had 4 teams.

>>174655939
Lear wanted 8, literally everyone else wanted 12.

I was originally for bailing /a/ out with a smaller fetus, but the points of revived teams having chance, the 'only yourself to blame', and the fact the fetus isn't supposed to be a harsh wasteland that's hard to escape turned me over.
I think it's better with the only one team from each group can fail we have going, Autumn 15 was much cleaner than Spring 16 because /t/ and /y/ deserved to be stuck there, but with Spring 16 /co/ also got dragged into it partially due to some antics of other teams. If your team is good, it'll advance, don't worry. This system actually allows you to have an unlucky game and not end your run.
If you don't advance, you truly deserve it, sorry.

i cant believe /y/ are actually fucking running gold DMF

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>>174655853
Smugleaf beat me to the announcement but yeah 12 team fetus with three groups of four and bottom of each group getting coat hangar'd.

Also the main goal of the fetus has never been to minimize the number of games, I used the metric of number of games as part of my reasoning but it was not what was the most important or main reason by any stretch. https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/User:Lear

>>174656356
Rankings > Placing

Why isn't /k/ in fetus?
Why isn't /g/?

>>174656317
I'm already in favour to force out some controversial teams like /t/, maybe in due time.
>/co/
Nice meme

>>174656387
>being surprised by SDA's shit

>>174656467
someone please do a draw

>>174655853
>>174656467
S T A T P A D D I N G

>>174656513
thought it was going to be last minute gold defender tbqh

>>174656387
Gold DMF got /myteam/ out of a babby once, it's okay

>>174656476
Why weren't /u/ in the Winter knockouts instead of /m/ or /int/?

>>174656356
Autumn 16* not Spring 16, derp

>>174656649
What has that got to do with fetus?

We have always done knockouts the same way.

Fetus format has changed every single time.

All this is just /merit/ ignoring the most logical format solely because of the teams involved.

Pre-draw predictions for the aborted 3?
For me, it's /tg/, /sci/, and /t/

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It's been 3 minutes and nobody's posted draw bullshit. Let's go.

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LGTSS
>/a/

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>>174656779
We haven't used rankings for anything since Winter 14 when M3OW tried to break the system and got banned for it

>>174656779
By "Most logical format", you mean "I assumed that people would fuck up and /myteam/ would make it out, now I'm pissy that they didn't". Correct?

>>174656779
The same ranking system where you think /g/ or /k/ should be in instead of /a/, /pol/ and /wsg/. It's also to not make it difficult for /co/, /y/ /sci/ and /lgbt/ to get out, it shouldn't be somewhere you're stuck in because you got the spoon in one tournament or you revived.

>>174656908
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/2015_4chan_Autumn_Babby_Cup

2015 Autumn

/po/ finishes 3rd out of 5 teams in their group. Ends up in 2016 Spring fetus.

/jp/ finishes 4th out of 4 teams in their group.
Not in 2016 Spring fetus.

>>174656884
>running crossing on silver CMFs
that shit will never not bug me

>>174656467
I love you, you SOB

>>174656870
i want someone to actually draw, someone go on 4chancup and draw it please

I DEMAND CLOSURE

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Draw when?

>>174656908
what did M3ow do

>>174653940
52 team fetus when?

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If your argument for a shitty format includes "ur just mad cuz ur team sux" then you really have no argument, and are just here to shitpost

>>174657049
Oh, you mean Final Rankings, not >Rankings, I see.
Yeah, it's always been a weird one. Spring 14 fetus (cancelled) was gonna have /sci/ in it since they finished bottom of their group, meanwhile /fit/ were dodging it with 1 point only because /lit/ also only had 1 point but with less GD.

I don't know the solution to this one honestly, would need to talk about it with others. I'll bring it up in /merit/ so we can maybe have a set rule for fetuses in the future.

>>174657346
If your argument for a good format is that "it's a shitty format" with no evidence, then you really have no argument, and you're just furious about /yourteam/ having to actually prove it isn't complete garbage.

>>174657346
ur just mad cuz ur team sux

>>174657373
Forgot to add /sci/ were on 4 points and finished near the top half of the unpromoted rankings, but were still getting fetus'd, which seemed quite undeserving.

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>>174657373
I've always seen it as "you promote by group and relegate from the elites by group, so you may as well relegate to the fetus by group"

>>174657401
>If your argument for a good format is that "it's a shitty format" with no evidence
nice wording FAGGOT NIGGER

>>174657401
And if you ignore actual evidence just to pretend you have an argument, then you're just a shitposter.

C'est la vie

>>174656467
>Also the main goal of the fetus has never been to minimize the number of games

This is literally wrong, though.

>>174655853
>fail to deliver export
>lol we're gonna do a fetus anyway and completely miss how /x/ screws it because reasons

>>174657673

Proofs?

>>174657497

This, why would ranking magically matter all of a sudden?

>>174657750
it shouldn't, I was arguing the opposite

>>174657642
Wew. Looks like everyone without a vested interest in /a/ thinks this is the best path. But I'm willing to hear out your evidence if you can find any. Go ahead.

>>174657725
Lear's stupidity on his own page proves it
>dude megafetus lmao

>>174657725
Proof: Being around since the Megababby when Boris explicitly stated that switching to the fetus system was explicitly done in order to reduce the number of games.

>>174657804
>18 matches just to flush 3 teams down the toilet
>best path
fuck me in the ass dude

>>174657879
No he said proof, not anecdotal evidence that isn't recorded anywhere that you TOTALLY remember but nobody else does.

>>174657673
That and to weed teams in or out of the competition and to try out new streamers and commentators in the competition.
>>174657691
We would need 4 teams to fuck up for no Fetus, all that was decided was to have less games but be harder to qualify from or to have more games but it's easier to qualify from.

>>174657824

But nowhere on there does it say the point of the fetus is to minimize games

>>174657879

But Boris isn't the commissioner????

>>174657804
>everyone who thinks the format is completely stupid now is /a/

>>174657934
Like I said, I'm waiting on anything to show that your path forward is better. If it makes you feel better, I honestly feel that /a/'s export might be good enough to make 3rd in a 4 team Fetus group.

>>174657804
>Literally the same number of matches as a megababby
>Best path

>>174657497
But shouldn't fetus be the shittest teams?

Going back to this example>>174657049
The correct decision was made because /jp/ going to fetus with two wins and a non negative GD would be grossly unfair.

And >>174657373
/fit/ dodging fetus with only one point due to /lit/ being even worse would also be unfair.

And in this system.
/g/ got 1 point and negative four GD in Autumn 2016 but avoid fetus because /t/ somehow managed 1 point and -7 GD (/g/'s point was a draw with /t/) and /k/ didn't win a single game in all of 2016 and only got 2 points in Autumn 2016 but avoid fetus.

>>174657824

As an aside, the facr that the only formalization of Fetus is on Lear's page, and from a time it was just an idea since he wasn't commish is retarded

Solid Fetus rules should be written and have their proper page

>>174657953
/x/ just failed their export and another team is pretty much open to move up

It's a stupid ass decision because Lear's a fucking idiot who wants megafetus for some idiotic reason

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>>174657934
inb4 DUDE THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE LMAO

Nevermind that there's still some kickoff abuse still in the game and that the AI makes strikers retarded, leaving a ridiculous amount of luck still deciding games.

I mean, this is nowhere near as dumb as the idea that was staying on PES16, but I'm just baffled at how many idiots there are in charge. Either that or running the cup really is that hard and I'm some kind of genius.

and I love that the retard's argument is basically
>y-y-you're from /a/

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>All this mad

>N-not everyone that hates this format is /a/!!!
>Every one of their arguments is "The fetus should be /k/, not /a/!!!"
Really does make you consider their motivations, though.

The Foetus should be handpicked as it was during Boris.

/g/ should avoid fetus with only 1 point because lmao /a/!!!!!!!!

How does the 'only yourself to blame' count when 7 teams in fetus are only there because they didn't have /g/'s luck in group draws?

>>174658217
Meanwhile Lear's and Smugleaf's argument is "DUDE MEGAFETUS"

>>174658217
So by your logic /jp/ should have been in the 2016 Spring Fetus with two wins?

>>174658217
>no one cares about making it easier for teams to get out of fetus
>until there's a chance to throw /a/ and /pol/ into it
Really does make you consider their motivations, though.

>>174657984
/a/'s export is flawed but will probably top any fetus group easily because there are much much worse exports in the other pots (looking at you, /tg/ and /sci/ and /y/ and /t/). That doesn't mean /a/ should be getting those free stats when it involves playing 18 fucking games to kill exactly 3 (three!) of 12 (TWELVE!) teams.
I'm not /a/. Come fight me in the dark.

>>174658357
according to Smugleaf Lear actually wanted the sensible 8/5 fetus and everyone else in /merit/ wanted the idiotic 12/9 though

>>174658148
If you move one up you get the messy 11 team Fetus with the same number of games as the 12 team Fetus, you could move 4 up but then it's harder for teams like /co/ and /sci/ to get back up and end up in the wasteland for longer, one aim is to reduce games but it's also used to move teams in and out easier, and to not give too much of a disadvantage to revivied teams, teams who didn't get in the last Babby Cup or spoon contenders.

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>>174657049
>>174658020
Yeah pretty much Autumn 15/Spring 16 Fetus was done differently because of the occasion, guess a mixture of the fact the previous babby was a Megababby it messed up the numbers for a well rounded fetus. It probably should have been done differently.
It's supposed to be bottom team gets relegated, and should have been that way.

However you're right in saying it's a flawed system, I've always felt that way since seeing /sci/ get relegated on 4 points all those years back, but I guess it also happens in the elite. You can get relegated on 6 points in a 6-6-6-0, while another team gets promoted on 2 points in a 9-2-2-2, seems equally as flawed but no one bats an eye

>>174658396
>Lear actually wanted the sensible 8/5 fetus and everyone else in /merit/ wanted the idiotic 12/9 though
>Most of /merit/ is AB/a/
Makes sense

>>174658428
THEN WHATS THE POINT OF AN 11 FETUS IF /X/ GAVE THEIR SLOT TO A FETUS TEAM

desu we would have all gotten our moaning out of the way if we had clear game plans for "Here's what happens if 1, 2, 3 teams fail to submit" beforehand.
The bigger issue is that the powers that be decided that AFTER THE DEADLINE was the best time to figure out the format instead of having any idea of what was going on.

>>174658574
You've said that about 4 times now, but there's still absolutely no evidence of it. We get it, you're upset that /a/ actually has to be not shitty for once and can't luck their way into a cup.

>>174658428
>two groups of four
>playoff match between two third placed teams

Where is the disadvantage?

>>174658465
I appreciate you bringing it up. Just feels extremely odd that teams like /g/ can avoid fetus.

>>174658612
>implying anyone here is asking for a 11 team fetus
nigga that's even worse than 12/9, at least 12/9 has somewhat workable numbers. 8/5 or bust there really is no way around it
saying you don't want to give the revived teams no hope is kinda bullshit. /sci/'s export in particular already does that for them :^)

>>174658612
The original plan was a 12 team Fetus if everyone made an export, /x/ dying makes the 11 team Fetus if you move one up.
>>174658718
>Where is the disadvantage?
You have a better chance of getting out of a Fetus which lets 9/12 teams through than 5/8 teams through.

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>>174658718
Yeah I completely understand, /g/'s performance last cup really deserves to place them in a fetus so it seems so daft that they aren't.
I could bring it up again in a quieter time for /merit/ and see if we wanna change it to Final Rankings, because that really is a crock of nonsense that /g/ avoided fetus.

>It's too hard to advance :( :( :(

Why don't we just make everyone a winner? That way there's no hurt feefees and we can all go out for ice cream afterwards.

>>174658773
>m-muh revived teams!
top fucking kek, revived teams are you excuse to continue this shitty format?

>>174658946
>>174655853
>We have two new revived teams, no point reviving them then giving them a tiny chance of hope by sticking them in a tiny fetus together.
I do not believe that this fecal matter can be falsely produced.

I've always said we should listen to anons more. Thanks for making me look like a fucking idiot, /4ccg/.

>>174658940
The same teams shouldn't be stuck in the Fetus all the time, if possible everyone should have the best chance of getting out of it so it's only your own fault for failing to get out.

>>174658875
With the playoff between the two third place teams every deserving team will advance.

The playoff eliminates the bad luck of possibly having an actually decent team in your group (/lgbt/).

>>174658912
Might be worth just having a rule in future that any team that only gets 1 point is automatically in fetus.

>>174658992
>two new revived teams
Oh man, looks like we have to accommodate these special teams, they totally outnumber those already existing that can pass

Reminder that if you put /wg/ and /biz/ in the place of /a/ and /pol/, /merit/ would immediately be scrambling for a way to reduce the fetus size.
Fucking try to prove me wrong. You literally can not.

>>174658612
Because 11 is a fucking shit number to deal with, same reason Spring 16's fetus used Final Rankings from the last babby rather than group placements, just fill in the teams until you hit a nice number

>Team A has fewer points than Team B
>Automatically must mean that Team A is worse than Team B
>I cannot comprehend the fact that groups are not symmetrical and that some groups just have better teams

>>174659259
Come on, man, I'm sitting this one out. If you've got a problem with me, come talk to me in person.

>>174659259
>/biz/
Hmm?

>>174659340
Yeah. /g/ sure did well by getting its only point drawing with /t/.

>>174659105
We don't know if the loser of the playoff is better than /trv/ or any of the other teams scheduled to be in the Fetus who get a pass, they could be shit. You can't argue that it's easier to get out of the 9/12 format than 5/8.
>>174659238
One of the aims on Lear's Fetus page was to not lock the doors to newer or revived teams in the future, a smaller Fetus closes the door on them more.

>>174659090
>if possible everyone should have the best chance of getting out of it so it's only your own fault for failing to get out.

It's always your own fault for failing to advance no matter the format. Everyone has the same chance base chance to get out no matter the format. Doesn't matter if you're new or old, if you can't beat enough teams to advance you don't advance.

>>174659524
>You can't argue that it's easier to get out of the 9/12 format than 5/8.
It is though? Unless you meant to say "not easier" which would be more in line with the rest of your post.

>>174659514
>blowing a 3-0 lead to LITERALLY /t/
i don't care if you have top-tier /mu/ and /tv/ in your group that's just embarrassing

>>174658912
>>174659514
>"/g/'s performance last cup really deserves to place them in a fetus"
They had a brand new manager with no experience and they got paired up with /tv/ and /mu/, what do you expect?

>>174659514
You can't just fucking cherrypick teams to promote and advance, you have one system and stick with it, not "Well these teams were scheduled to be relegated but we feel sorry for /a/ over /g/, so we'll stick /g/ down there instead :)"

>>174659619
/g/ still blew a 3-0 lead to the Liechtenstein of the 4CC. Think about that for a minute.

>>174659524
>but It's too hard to advance!
lel
>a smaller Fetus closes the door on them more.
Too fucking bad, they should git gud and beat the teams that are already there and have been shit. Accommodating teams just because theyre new is a garbage excuse to continue this shit format

>>174659524
>One of the aims on Lear's Fetus page was to not lock the doors to newer or revived teams in the future, a smaller Fetus closes the door on them more.
See, that doesn't fucking matter when one of those teams already submitted the worst export in the entire qualifiers.

>>174659661
>fetus system has changed with every fetus

>>174659619
>They had a brand new manager with no experience

/tg/ bailout when?

>>174659850
It literally has to, due to the number of teams being formed, revived and dying

>>174659720
They did and that was a huge embarrassment but you still have to admit that they had a brand new manager and shitty draw luck.

>>174659524
>a smaller Fetus closes the door on them more

Why don't we just give them a 6 point head start when they get to the main cup, too? We gotta protect the small eggs from the mean ol' relegation system!

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Can we PLEASE get an update to this comic tho? Stay fetus faggots.

>>174659984
>LITERALLY celebrating the fact that you packed /merit/ with AB/a/ retards who will push for and institute a completely batshit format if it fucks over /a/

>>174659916
They drew /t/.

If they beat /t/ nobody would be nominating them for fetus.

>>174660054
t. fetus shitter
Try not to get aborted desu.

>>174659562
Is it anyones own fault if only /i/ were relegated and 1/5 promote?
>>174659728
Why not let them deal with other shit which was scheduled to be in the Fetus like /trv/? It also helps /co/ and /y/.
>>174659840
And that will be /sci/'s own fault if they don't advance. /lgbt/ who have a decent enough export could be fucked over in a smaller format.
>>174659936
You know there's a fucking difference between the Babby Cup and the Fetus, if they do shit there they deserve to come down again.

>>174660054
Or the fact /a/ got stuck in a fetus while /sp/ are sitting at numero uno in the rankings

>>174659984
>/sp/ being this obsessed to keep this image for an occasion like that

Fetus draw when?

>>174660141
>Is it anyones own fault if only /i/ were relegated and 1/5 promote?
Yes.

If /sp/ was so good why couldn't you win the sperg bowl?

>>174660141
>Is it anyones own fault if only /i/ were relegated and 1/5 promote?
Yes, yes it is
>It also helps /co/ and /y/
Oh wow, two shit teams that have been consistently shit need a better chance because theyve been constantly shitty. Boo hoo

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I like large fetus. Having a tiny little fetus makes it way too easy for teams to get stuck there forever, /lgbt/ actually seems to have fans and a manager who gives a shit, I'm not at all worried that /a/ or /pol/ will fail to advance.

Of course maybe we'll all be lucky and /pol/ will fuck it up but I think they rate to be fine

>>174660141
>You know there's a fucking difference between the Babby Cup and the Fetus, if they do shit there they deserve to come down again.
Yeah, the babby is actually set up as a competition and isn't treated as a daycare for shit teams.

>>174660383
>Having a tiny little fetus makes it way too easy for teams to get stuck there forever
Yeah, that's kinda the point honestly but people aren't seeing it and just saying "ABLOO BLOO BLOO BLOO >CARING ABOUT MUH FEELINGS"

The Babbies are the real test to promoting to the big boy leagues, the fetus is just sheering a few shitty teams because we're currently overpopulated.

>>174660383
/lgbt/ will knock out /pol/ in the fetus

>>174660256
It is to an extent but there are teams in that format who are probably better than shit like /trv/ and /t/ which wouldn't be relegated.
>>174660347
Oh look, /trv/ have been constantly shit bar Spring 16 since they won Winter 14, better give them a pass out of the system.
>>174660423
It's not a daycare, it's a way of phasing teams in and out of the competition in a way which doesn't block teams and add significantly to the schedule.

>>174660524
>the fetus is just sheering a few shitty teams because we're currently overpopulated.
>does a bigger fetus to promote two new bound to be shit teams

>>174660560
>It is to an extent but there are teams in that format who are probably better than shit like /trv/ and /t/ which wouldn't be relegated.
There's shit teams in every fucking cup that don't get relegated, what's your point?

>>174660141
>And that will be /sci/'s own fault if they don't advance. /lgbt/ who have a decent enough export could be fucked over in a smaller format.
It would've been /sci/'s own fault no matter what the format because that fucking 5-4-1 stands no chance in any group and switching to Literally My Mom's Wooden Spoon Formation won't help any. Hell with 3 of 4 teams advancing /sci/ could literally luck into spring with one point on 3rd place if PES bullshit goes the right way even though their export is so bad /t/ are a better team.

>>174660383
imo /pol/ have the best export in the qualifier. I despise them too but especially in this format there is no fucking way they don't advance out of the qualifiers at least.
Feel free to cap this shit.

>>174660560
>It's not a daycare, it's a way of phasing teams in and out of the competition in a way which doesn't block teams and add significantly to the schedule.
When you make stupid format choices just to give the poor mistreated new teams/shit teams a better shot at being relegated in the actual cup instead of the preshow cup then yes, it's a fucking daycare.

>>174660652
If they warrant a revive, then they have a right to be allowed a chance to promote just like any other team
What's your point here exactly? Other than randomly claim two teams are destined to be shit because you said so

>>174660792
>They only have a chance if we turn the fetus into a dragged-out bloated fuckfest
If they're that fucking bad then maybe there's a bigger problem with them than the format senpai.

>>174660560
>Oh look, /trv/ have been constantly shit bar Spring 16 since they won Winter 14, better give them a pass out of the system.
Mauled deserves to stay because of the shit he pulled now, but making it 12/9 is absolute fucking stupid. At least make a 9 Fetus if you want them gone.

>>174660792
Even if there was a 8/5, they still have a chance by being 2 of the 5. Enlarging it because we need to hold their hold is retarded

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>tfw Elite and don't have to deal with this every season

>>174660969
me too thanks i just like flinging shit

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>>174660969

Give me one good reason to still have the fetus instead of a megababby when we're just looking to promote everyone anyway.

>>174661105
5 team groups are shit

>>174661105
Main steamers got restricted time, so they can't do the games.

>>174661105
gotta let Lear stream

>>174660718
To give teams who are constantly stuck in the Fetus a better chance of getting out by putting in as many of the scheduled teams who were relegated to be in it, /trv/ are part of the group who should be thrown down for doing poorly.
>>174660949
>Mauled deserves to stay because of the shit he pulled now, but making it 12/9 is absolute fucking stupid. At least make a 9 Fetus if you want them gone.
9 team Fetus has the same amount of games as the 12 team Fetus as it's done on a home/away status. With that /wsg/ should come down and either /pol/ and /a/ or /g/ and /k/, there's cases for the two of them, which for this case was the former but it needs to be finalised in the future.

>>174660895
>>174660949
It's not just about the new teams though, it's about the whole point in the fetus, that just happened to be a point and people are using it to bash the current system
>Having a tiny little fetus makes it way too easy for teams to get stuck there forever
>The Babbies are the real test to promoting to the big boy leagues, the fetus is just sheering a few shitty teams
Bigger fetus allows a good cycle/flow of teams coming in and out of it, and someone tries to stop certain teams *ahem /co/* to get stuck in it for two years running. Whether you like /co/ or not, they've got quite a fair fanbase and are currently stuck in the shitter, which isn't healthy for the cup. At least with this system, if a big team is down there for a season, good chance they'll escape next time unless they are just god damn fucking awful.

>>174660752
>/pol/
>better than /lgbt/

I bet you are the guy who thought /hpo/ would spoon Tag Team Cup

>>174661195
But baby is getting streamed by two guys now and we picked the 18 match fetus instead of the 12 match fetus.

>>174661305
>and somewhat* tries
God I'm tired

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how do I get a trip?
I just realized I'm going to have get one after I get verified.

>>174661305
And you're also denying another teams chance because one fucked up on export all because you gotta hold their hand and do things for them to not be shit

>>174661510
READ THE FUCKING STIC--I mean, FAQ

/@/ - Current /a/ Manager
/hanny/ - Former /a/ Manager
/llsifg/ - Former /a/ Manager
/skg/ - Current /a/ Manager
/vn/ - Former /a/ Manager
/xcg/ - Former /a/ Manager

VGL is run by a former /a/ manager

Maybe /a/ can win some games there?

>>174661545
I have no idea what you just said

>>174661305
Then maybe we should expand the fetus to everyone who doesn't advance from the babbies, that way we can cycle more teams AND give shit teams better chances! I mean, 19/16 is even better than 12/9!

>>174661390
Megababby is an extra 14 games on top of that. There's a case now with extra streamers we didn't have before in 2015, that should be looked at but we have to sort out the autopilot problem to fill 5 slots currently, and some people don't like the 5 team group format either. Currently /x/, /qst/ and /cgl/ probably have enough fans for an autopilot, then just thrown two more in on top of that.

>>174661510
>all these cute clans
Are you /tg/, friendo?

>>174661510
https://www.4chan.org/faq#trip


Good luck.

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less infighting more ACTUAL DRAWS

the real one, where is it, on stream, now

or at least an announcement saying tommorrow at X

/x/ fucked up which in turn gives /a/ technicality to move up. Why the fuck do we keep have to continue this stupid format and just making a shitty excuse to give the best fetus team a Pot 3? Because there a two new teams, because we have to hold /co/'s hand to not be shit?

I'm not even /a/ but it's absolutely inane and pointless

>>174661305
We get it, every team should advance, tell me why we shouldn't just make a megababby then instead of pretending like the fetus will matter at all at that point.

>>174661803
I'm drawing something on paint right now

>>174661815
Everyone in /merit/ is AB/a/ and AB/pol/, that's why

>>174661815
Because /sp/ can only get it's boner up when a team it can't beat is doing poorly.

>>174661105
We get to watch some games next weekend

>>174661869
Wouldn't we need 5 more teams to have a Megababby?

>>174661734
Why not 32 teams? Maybe too much, same with 19.
12 seemed about right when other points were factored in to support, in the middle of too much and too little.
All this arguing is literally just "I prefer this number rather than that number", it's getting pretty pointless.
I'll stand by the idea of the fetus having a good flow of teams coming in and out, which 12 supports. I don't care that it's 12, it's just that 12 works well with what I stand by.

>>174661869
We don't have enough teams for a Megababby or we probably would, unless you want some A U T O P I L O T S

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>>174661734
That adds a shitload of extra games, a balance has to be made for ease of qualification and the number of games in the Fetus.
>>174661803
>Throughout all this shit comfy have had the stream the whole time
>>174661815
It's either we use the 11 team format which is retarded, move two up and we have the same number of games with a worse chance of qualification or move another one on top of that to reduce the number of games but reduce the chances further, /merit/ decided on the 12 team format to balance games and ease of qualifcation.
>>174662101
Autopilots could be brought back.

>>174661993
Oh boy, I can't wait to watch Left Nut United vs Real Right Asscheek.

>>174661815
>I'm not even /a/ but...
>Goes out of his way to freak out over /a/ not getting a free pass

Hmm................

>>174661771
/vip/

>>174662138
Except /x/ completely made 12/9 stupid and useless.
>b-b-but but there's a special spot for the best fetus team on Pot 3!
Give me a break

>>174662138
Autopilot megababby would be better than a retarded hand-holding fetus.

>>174662204
>but reduce the chances further
Reduce the chances of qualification further, it's getting late where I am.

>>174662204
>That adds a shitload of extra games
But the number of games doesn't matter, according to Lear:
>>174656467
>Also the main goal of the fetus has never been to minimize the number of games

>>174662428
And there are two streamers now so either way Sou streams less than last year.

>>174662428
He says the main goal, doesn't mean it's not one of the goals of the Fetus, although with >>174662541 now it could be reconsidered to bring back the Megababby for Autumn.

>>174662204
>BUT MUH KWALIFIKASHUNZ
Might as well send a gift package to the team who won the all seeking and coveted Pot 3 in a fucking Babby

Was at work, what did >/x/ fuck up?

>>174662757
Manager is kill.

>>174662806
Ah, shame, I like /x/

>>174662301
>Except /x/ completely made 12/9 stupid and useless.
Actually, /x/ dying is what made 12/9 happen, 4 groups and 3 advance, making up perfect numbers in the babby.
If not for /x/, it would have needed to be different, because it would be 12/8.

>>174662328
We don't need to force in teams, fuck we're already trying to slim down our roster, what do you cunts actually want?


Really, what even are we arguing about. Do you think the fetus is too large? That it's too 'hand-holdy'?
If you think a number is too large and someone else is saying it's fine, then there's never going to be an agreement and we'll argue forever.
As for the hand-holding claim, I don't see why you'd have a problem with it anyway, what's so wrong with have the 3 most utter shit teams dumped out at the earliest stage? If we have a smaller fetus, it allows potentially abysmal teams to sneak into the babbies and get hammered while some possibly more deserving team gets stuck in the fetus. Kinda like a giant sieve, and 12 seems like an alright number without getting too large, but maybe you disagree?

>>174662893
>Do you think the fetus is too large? That it's too 'hand-holdy'?
Pretty sure that was the exact excuse /merit/ made

>>174662849
Another reason to possibly reconsider the Megababby and autopilots, it's not fair on people who like /x/ to see them out of the cup just because their manager bailed on them at this stage, nobody on the board knew this would happen so it couldn't really be stopped as nobody would know if they needed to step up, autopilot would at least keep them in the cup and satisfy their fans to an extent.
>Inb4 >/x/ >fans

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>>174662893
>If we have a smaller fetus, it allows potentially abysmal teams to sneak into the babbies and get hammered while some possibly more deserving team gets stuck in the fetus.
Kinda like allowing for the possibility of /tg/ or /sci/ who have horrible formations and even worse card choices to sneak by on 1 point? Hell there's a good chance the 3 worst teams in the fetus (/t/, /tg/, /sci/) all get drawn together and then what? The Pot 1 team that gets them would no doubt be fucking ecstatic because they get statpads but then your point is bullshit because two of those garbage teams get to give away promotion guaranteeing points to babby teams (probably /mlp/ and /soc/ because god hates us).

>>174661607
Only the idol teams maybe.

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>>174663207
>/asp/ vs /h/
Wew
I understand though

>>174663389
Delta is good at VGL except he'll probably job in the ro16 this time instead of the final

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Someone in power please make some sort of statement about the FUCKING DRAW

when will it be, will there even fucking be one, will you make us wait then draw the fucking games the day before WE DONT KNOW UNTIL YOU TELL US

>>174663510
Desu they shouldn't have even got passed /ink/ in 6 but maybe they'll get top 16/QFs.

>>174663207
>BEAM'DDDDDDDD
lel

>>174663295
Yeah that's true, two garbage teams could very well and likely will draw each other, good point. I guess the fetus won't completely sieve out all the shit teams, but it'll at least do half that job.

You're also right that in a harsher fetus you're more likely to have more shit teams stay down, but at the same time you're more likely to let shit teams through anyway because they don't even need to play in the fetus, so that kinda negates itself with the good points and bad.

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>tfw VGL8 lineup and possible new managers to be revealed tomorrow

Hype

>>174663673
>but at the same time you're more likely to let shit teams through anyway because they don't even need to play in the fetus
well assuming we did 9/6 fetus arguably the top 3 teams in the fetus (bar maybe /lgbt/) would be given the pass instead of statpads. the truly bad teams (ie /t/, /tg/, /sci/, /y/) would remain in the fetus. not that being a top 3 team by fucking fetus standards means anything.

>>174663295
>Hell there's a good chance the 3 worst teams in the fetus (/t/, /tg/, /sci/) all get drawn together and then what?
We get that in the actual cup too, Group A last Autumn for example was /w/ and three fairly shit teams and was mostly just used as statpadding for /w/.
>but then your point is bullshit because two of those garbage teams get to give away promotion guaranteeing points to babby teams (probably /mlp/ and /soc/ because god hates us).
If they aren't good enough to not finish last then they go back into the Fetus system. Likewise even in the Elites we have garbage teams who come up like Elite /p/ who are just free points for teams in the Elite cup, you're always going to get some teams who aren't the best in some groups and are just free points, there's not much we can do about that. It would be worse though if we had something like a playoff in the 8 team format for say /his/ and /t/, /his/ could get PES'd and get out while we still let a worse team through, we won't always get rid of the absolute worst teams every time.