/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

>hitting the bump limit but not when the people who can be bothered to make a new thread are around
fug

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Why do two identical machines with the same control inputs always end up going in different directions

>>174602114
different atmos pressure, different humidity, differrent wind, etc

. :^) .

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>>174602245
Would be cool if Besiege had all that and more complex aerodynamics

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>>174602454
>lost WWI first aerial combat footage

>>174602114
Continuously compounding rounding errors in position and orientation?

>>174604482
>WWI
>jets

>>174602114
Besiege has non-deterministic physics. Not sure exactly what the RNG affects, but it's there.

>>174605603
Why would they do the same thing Bad Rats did?

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>>174605524
>that
>jets

lmoa

>>174606862
don't see any propellers

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d e d

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This is clang.
https://my.mixtape.moe/mxgnrn.webm

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Factorio speedrun is going well. I'm at 01:33:07, out of the 8 hour time limit. Current status:
>red/green science production is at 0.5/second
>15 labs, using up science packs at the full rate for any tech with a 30s or shorter timer
>5 oil pumps, just stockpiling for now (no refinery yet)
>10 MW power generation, all from steam

Next steps are setting up 2/s steel production for steel furnaces and the future blue science line, and researching flamethrowers so I can burn down the biter base to the east. There's at least 6 spawners out there, and they keep attacking the generators. After that I'll probably set up another 15-20 MW of generators, since even a 0.5/s blue science line requires about 13 MW.

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>>174608736
so you agree that it isn't a device that is basically all propellers

http://steamcommunity.com/games/427520/announcements/detail/1290688221264397316

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HAPPENING

Factorio getting nukes:
>https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-187
>we probably didn’t mention before that you can make uranium ammo and tank shells from U-238
>and U-235 can be used to create warheads for rocket launcher missiles which erase about 50 tile area per shot of anything in the way, including you if you don’t run fast enough

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cum

still mad about no cooling towers tho

>>174612072
This is clenk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gET-nhVdKi4

>>174612545
not if it's a turbojet instead of a turbofan :^)

>>174613984
Would be nice if they would release the recipe data early so people can update the wiki and figure out new designs over the weekend

>>174614170
> if you put a tank into the rocket, you receive 100 raw fish, because that would make perfect sense
I can understand the logic behind this. Perfectly normal compared to what spengos taught me

>>174614170
can't wait to nuke some bugs.
also - I wonder if they will add scaling enemies to go with infinite upgrades

>>174614338
This looks neat, is it a mod? Or is that coming in the update?

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https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-187

it comes

>>174602114
It's funny though, how the de-sync or whatever actually made the second half of the webm look kinda natural since both planes weren't flying at the exact same angle all the time.

>>174622065
>advanced circuits 5sec instead of 8sec?
>will nuclear power be a viable alternative to solar in its first pass?
>fitting *7* fucking science packs around a lab (are bots the answer?)
>rocket science is extremely cool and fills a gigantic hole in the late game
>coal to oil, how does it work?
>extremely portable fluids
>new boiler/steam ratios+builds
>tons of other shit

neat

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clonk

So, any news on the memedrive?
>captcha: only fire exit

>>174628057
It's a fuelless ion thruster. Same as last time.

>>174621772
THIS TUESDAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G4QgQ1pUlA
Anybody have more music that focuses on a beat instead of a tune that doesn't go full double-bass-pedal?
Yeah yeah I know fucking FF, but this theme is based around a clockwork boss

>>174630572
Meaning: have they tested it in sphess yet? Does it produce thrust? Are they working on optimizing it yet?

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>>174623462
>fills a gigantic hole in the late game
not really

It's not real content,but a loop. They turned rockets into another science pack.

Maybe we are getting nukes, tho.

>>174630859
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkdNmuHUrd8

ded

>>174630983
yea not necessarily new content - but simple logical stuff like that does fill a void. someone looking to make a megabase would have zero reason to make a rocket - but rocket parts consist of a major part of a factory and a nice substantial steel drain. by adding that loop (and the science packs) it is a sort of expansion - big bases are going to change drastically.

the new science packs are already a huge resource drain. the standard persons base is growing by a large margin

>>174630929
>they
Who?
Someone somewhere is probably working on research related to the EM drive.

>Does it produce thrust?
To my knowledge, that was confirmed more than half a year ago.

Is literal Lego gaem /egg/?

https://youtu.be/ayzmF5162tM

>>174642197
no

i just realised this would probably rustle your jimmies
Personal PIN Number

>>174643147
RIP in peace

Did Avorion get any cool new features added since february?

>>174643147
I use that on those ATM machines

>>174601604
>Shadowverse in the OP again
For what purpose

>>174652058
For giggles, obviously
Didn't we have Hearthstone in there instead at one point?

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>>174640425
Mini tenk?

>>174652210
Do we not now?

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>>174652385
...no?

>>174652210
Yes.
What I want to know is why it was always card game people who complained about this.
Tagging all the generals again when

>>174652636
They play card games regularly enough for the strong autism to be there (the cause of their mild annoyance), but aren't intelligent enough to either always have the general open or simply read the OP they click on when they search (the cause of their annoyance exploding at a moment's notice).

>>174643147
You will be issued with a personal PIN identification number. Don't lose it or you'll lose your PIN and be unable to access our local-area LAN network.

>>174652860
Wasn't there a guy complaining because he wrote a script to automatically open his general? He came up saying his script kept opening /egg/ instead, because we had /svg/ in the OP. He eventually said that he could just filter /egg/, but he kept complaining because autism.

>>174652636
The thred is ded enough that tagging all the generals will last like, 4 days with one go. We can promise not to do it again next time and still meme the board.

>>174653598
I don't think he even had a script, he just had >>>/vg/svg bookmarked, and he was mad that he actually had to read instead of blindly clicking the only thread on the page.

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>>174652373
Yes hello I am tenk

Is this the Shandowverse General?

>>174658894
no this is autism

Dials, buttons, sliders, knobs, or touchscreens /egg/?

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>>174659591
Buttons

>>174659591
I'm more partial to levers, neural interfaces, and switches that have a hinged cover over them.

>>174601604
Do we have an IRC channel?

>>174660373
no, /egg/ isn't a namefag circlejerk
there are a few groups for serbs

>>174660440
Nah, I'm just an autistic ANSI C programmer interested in engineering games, looking to share programming/tech related info with peers.

https://phobosorbust.blogspot.com/2015/09/early-asteroid-mining.html

Is this true? In space, do mines come in bags?

>>174661006
Then could you tell me the best way to set up a serial link via RS232 in DOS

>>174661386
Not sure as I've never used DOS.
If I had to guess, you probably need to use the x86 I/O instructions, as I think at that time the I/O ports were still used for this sort of thing.

At the moment I'm stuck without a machine with any RS232 headers, so I'm doing crap like bitbanging GPIO to emulate what I need.

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A L G O D O O
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>>174661364
Much like Kanuckistan, in space everything comes in bags.

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Top 4 Starmade serbian in the world shutting down today due to ded game with no content. The starmadedock thread about it is a shitstorm of white knights vs bored players.

https://starmadedock.net/threads/craftau-shutting-down.28841/

I used to play on it before one of the universe wipes. Not sad to see it go except that now there's literally no permanent Ausfag servers. At least starmade netcode is decent in high ping.

Pic related is dev reaction.

>>174663249
>tfw playing with your bros
>build giant spherical space station at 0, 0, 0
>blockaded by enemy ships
>a neutral party ferries materiel to you as you develop the station interior, content in your exile

Starmade was fun. Lack of strayan servers makes me sad.

>>174663249
crew update fucking when

>>174663892
They still haven't implemented the spawn station they were attempting to hype a year and a half ago. Game is ded in the water.

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>>174656036
Smaller tenks

Partial Factorio changelog: https://pastebin.com/Ki7BeCqu

One of the devs (Klonan) send some random youtuber the preliminary changelog earlier today, instead of posting it publicly for some reason. Said youtuber made it into a 40-minute video, consisting of him reading changelog entries and giving """commentary""" (no doubt to pad it out so he could fit in 6 goddamn ad breaks). I watched the entire fucking thing and typed up the good stuff for the pastebin above. For someone who's "super hyped" and who put "1000s of hours" into Factorio, he seems remarkably clueless about long-standing development plans.

>>174659591
What about levers?

>>174665495
>HD graphics are toggleable
this is brilliant, I was worried about that, I feel like low res shit suits factorio better.
>- the map seed is used to generate unique maps, instead of just shifting the
starting position
I had no idea this was the case, interesting

>>174665752
Ayyyy a fellow lever guy

>>174665752
I completely forgot about levers, knife switches, and probably a few other things.

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>>174665771
Yeah, damn good thing it's toggleable, otherwise I'm not sure my graphics card could handle it.

>>174666151
That seems really performance heavy for what it is, but then again I know nothing

>>174666348
Well, for 0.14, the factorio/data/base/graphics/ directory is about 125 MB. And that's compressed. Decompressed it could easily be 400-500MB. Multiply by 4 (since you're doubling both the height and the width of each image), and you get something close to the 1800MB the devs mentioned.

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Reposting for (You)'s

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>>174666851
Have it. You deserve it, anon.

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>>174666851
>looks cool as fuck
>shitty clip art "Frame"

>>174636589
The thrust produced in a vacuum chamber pushes our ability to measure small amounts of force to it's limits.
It seems possible that the force measured was always thermal effects and the miniscule thrust being recorded now is just a result of the miniscule number of particles to act on.

>>174666851
You should gone and made like a frame outta gears or some shit, otherwise it's great.

>>174667285
Make a better one den. Let's have a fuckin coat of arms bidding war here til we have something transcendent.

>>174667285
>>174667584
Well last thread someone posted this >>174502257

Less werk for me, right

>>174668971
You could have at least stylized it to fit the rest, don't be lazy when it counts anon.

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Whoops, guess the pic was early access. Here's the patched one

>>174671040
Definitely more industrial. I can dig.

>>174672140
>doesn't fire actual hornet's nests

>>174672140
We need to make one that fires 2mm Kolibri

>>174672265
How would you do that, compressed air? Maybe a plate or cup in the back that makes a good seal to fling the thing more efficiently

>>174674960
I have no idea.
Compressed air would work, but there's also the issue of making the hornets make nests where you want to.

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Decided to make an infographic for myself and my friend, as a reference while playing Factorio.

Does it check out? Anything else I should have included?

Is it possible to compress food? What would happen if you took something fairly fluffy like bread or rice and crushed it with several tons of force? I hate eating and I want to do it faster.

>>174675259
Seems about right though I would have included that this applies to everything.

>>174675435
just drink soylent or some shit

>>174675435
You would get very dense food.
If you've a hydraulic press and sanitary bits for it I don't see why not.

>>174675159
It diverges from the original concept, but bees might work. You could farm bees in specially-constructed cylindrical bee hive houses so they fit easily in the barrel. They could be constructed of fragile materials or a hinged structure that breaks/splits open on hitting the target and releases all the bees

>>174675994
Is it possible to keep wasps?
I swear I heard some faggot doing it.
Bees don't work as well because they can only sting the once.

>>174675435
you'd basically get hardtack, which'd take even longer to eat, provided you actually chew it

>>174676165
I think he wants to compress a sandwich down into pill form.

>>174676238
well, i think he's stupid

>mining uranium is processing instead of raw ore belted to be processed with sulphuric acid later
Fucking disgusting.
>hurr rockets aren't just as underwhelming since worthless research is now linked to them

>>174676106
I guess it depends on how territorial the wasps are

>>174679970
You try getting shot out of a cannon against your will, and see how pissed off you get.

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Tonks.

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>>174676106
>>174679970
Bees are less aggressive, sting once, but the venom they deliver in that one sting is greater than even hornets

Biological weapons are inconsistenmt as fuck, you're better off firing clouds of mircon thick fletchettes coated in nerve toxin (even bee venom is a shit venom compared to shit that fucks up neurotransmitters)

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>>174680213
Thats mostly beacause of adaptation rates compared to other species.

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>>174680282
Still it's a shit venom. What's it even do? Inflamatory and anticoagulant. Clearly isn't designed to kill mammals. Rattlesnakes, on the other hand.

>>174680395
Fine then, angry extremely venomous spider launcher.

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>>174680213
>>174680282
>>174680395

TO SAVE OUR MOTHER EARTH FORM ANY ALIEN ATTACK

FROM VICIOUS GIANT INSECTS WHO HAVE ONCE AGAIN COME BACK

WE`LL UNLEASH ALL OUR FORCED WE WONT CUT THEM ANY SLACK

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>>174680568
EDF /egg/ when

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>>174680395
>designed to kill
Not at all, a living survivor learn and teach to not fuck the hive.

>>174680486
It's more cost effective to keep a snake farm and milk them for venom, then load them up into fireable mini syringes.

You can't just keep spider rounds in a box, because your payload is a complex organism and needs to be kept alive.

>>174680675
Pretty much yeah. Other bugs bees can just chomp down with their mandibles.

>>174680757
It's not about effectivity, it's about psychological warfare.

>>174680675
>>174680757
>Pretty much yeah. Other bugs bees can just chomp down with their mandibles.
Actually IIRC what bees do to bugs bigger than them is just surround them in a solid ball of 100+ angry bees and boil them alive with their body heat.

Why not use bullet ants? Fucking AWFUL bite, eternally pissed off, and will use pheromones to attract MORE ants to fuck up the target.

>>174680854
Well you can always make artillery shells that drop snakes everywhere.

But strapping proximity mines to bengal tigers and then parachuting them in is even better.

>>174680978
Velvet ants are cuter and almost as painful

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>>174680881
Thats what they do to kill hornets since they have stock intel coolers.
Dont know aout other invasions.
Also some sea creatures has some sanic fast killing venoms.

Hornets are horrifying, murderous death machines on wings.
>tfw 30 hornets vs 30,000bees
Jesus christ

>>174681147
That's actually kind of cute, in a very odd way

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>>174681480
>its a murderous psychopath gigganigga!
>oh, no, wait, its just some shortstack asiain schoolgirl

You know why.

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>>174681629
>owls
CUTE

>winged mantis pretending to be a wasp
Not cute and also disingenuous

>>174681723
Arthropods are nature's robots.
They're adorable.

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>>174681723
>Not cute

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>>174680670
>building anime-tier guns from parts
>constructing skyscraper tall mechs
>general rip and tear
I want it

when will 0x10c happen again anons

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>>174682737
Fuck moths

And anything that's not warm blooded and doesnt have a spine

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hello /egg/, spengos serb when?

>>174684934
I believe there is one right now I think it might not actually be up

>>174685004
wait there is a serb? since when? sauce? link? i thought nuffin happened since warbros went six feet under

>>174685469
Ced maybe came back or something and open serb thing or something.
It got featured in one of the spengies update videos for a millisecond.

>>174685843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjJP4FZ0q2k&t=90s
vid related

>>174685876
wew lad you're right @ 1.19 in the video. reinstalling spengenolli right the fuck nao

K*o has one up and running the last I checked.

But I don't see anyone on..Let me check it real fast.

>>174675259
>needing an explanation on how to do simple math
I guess it's a step above not doing the math at all.

>the best place to start is with the end
The beginning works just as well.
If you were to figure out the maximum power production off a given number of oil wells, would you still start with the end?

>Remember to take the crafting speed multiplier of your furnaces into account
Once beacons get involved, it is often simpler to calculate the goal crafting speed, and work from that.
Say you need to produce 55 advanced circuits per second, you'll find that you need a total of 440 crafting speed. (or 587 regular T2 assemblers)
From there, you can start tinkering with layouts, type of assembler and combinations of different modules.

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>>174680670
plens in fucktorio when

>>174687189
There's a mod for it and by CLANG is it glorious for removing zeno

>>174686594
>>174684934
>>174685004
>>174685469
Serb's ded because it keeps crashing games

Bug Mr. Hostman for tactical nuke

>>174685843
>Ced maybe came back or something and open serb thing or something.
Ced came back for 40 minutes, said "this is unplayable" and "so long and thanks for all the lag"

>>174688925
>Serb's ded because it keeps crashing games
>had like 70 fucking mods

How could this happen?!

>>174690075
>How could this happen?!
I'm as surprised as you are!

>>174691081

Can someone answer? I accidentally a general.

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>>174691308
I miss /kspg/.

Great game, shit people. you have only yourselves to blame. RIP in piss

>tfw no flying aliens in factorio

>>174693008
why would you want this
what possible good could come of this

Are there any decent and up to date video guides for Factorio ?

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>>174685876
>freshly gassed marek

>>174693103
dunno maybe making combat slightly more interesting. make them spawn sometimes in the midgame as a high priority threat. and late game some other way to not make them annoying

>>174693361
>video guides
>ever
reee I hate people like you, nothing beeats a written guide.
>for factorio
Oh come on now, it's so goddamn intuitive, make a thing to make a thing to automate making a thing.
Do a little bit of the campaign if you're really THAT confused

>>174693861
>nothing beats a written guide.
This so much man. I miss the days when every guide was actually a series of pictures and text, and not some mouthbreathing autismo's hour long video where he talks about the actual subject for 5 minutes of it.

>>174694024
>pictures and text instead of just a plain .txt file with maybe ascii graphics where absolutely needed
Fucking children these days.

>>174645815
No, I hope it'll soon.

>>174694098
>a .txt
>not a massive hardcover manual with that lovely feeling and nice smell
Really?

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>>174645815
>>174694936
Alliances Update Soon™
http://www.avorion.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1
>>174245117

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>Going camping for a couple of days
>Want torch even though don't really need one
>Get bike light
>Not working
>Take batteries out, get voltmeter
>ded
>Go through series of batteries that have been ignored for ages
>Most ded
>Torch not responding to ones that say they're ~1.4V though
>Starting to get pissed off
>Mess with switch in torch so it's definitely in contact
>Still ded
>wat
>Test batteries again
>Says they're say useless when voltmeter'd again (~1.2V)
>Start using an old motor from [destroyed toy of some description] as a tester instead because it's quicker and actually more reliable
>Finally get two good ones
>Realise I can't unfuck the switch
>Torch has to be taken apart to be turned off now
>Don't have useful bike light anymore
>mfw

This is why I'm not an electrician

>>174630794

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>174631354
What's going on with the bottom train? Is that so it can carry fluids without using barrels or something?

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>>174697263
What rock have you been under? Yes.

>>174697263
Also there's universal fluid barreling. You can put any fluids into barrels or train.

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>hey guys, we are simplifying the recipe for blue science packs :^)

>new recipe requires 16% less copper
>30% more assemblers
>40% more power
>170% more iron

>>174701779
where did you get this?

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>>174698369
>fucking up a switch
lel, I did the same thing with a vacuum cleaner last night. The switch mounting had broken away and I tried to mend it with super glue, but I wound up gumming the switch module in the closed position. It's not too bad since A/C sockets here have switchesrule the waves

>>174698369
NK first strike when

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>>174701976
I wrote a little python script to generate these listings. I'm updating it with 0.15 recipes, based on https://wiki.factorio.com/Upcoming_features and https://pastebin.com/Ki7BeCqu.

Here's the one for military science packs. Pretty tame in comparison. I also updated the power generation section with correct generator and boiler info (the number of pumps is complete guesswork though).

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>>174702882
Production science

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>>174703127
And finally, high-tech science

>>174702882
I feel like they wanted to fix the huge jump in complexity, not resource drain.
so they kept red circuits to keep it gated after oil and engine units to keep it gated after steel and not in a trivial way
sure it might be much more expensive in iron and infrastructure but the infrastructure required is much simpler

and besides - they might have changed the recipes by now

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>want to play some space survival game online
>try spengies - sim speed low, survival consist of mining ice, thats it
>take on mars - love the game mechanics but dead
>empyrion - mess

>>174703669
Yeah, no batteries so there's a lot fewer chem plants required. Also, there's military science now (>>174702882), which is between green and blue in terms of complexity.

The 8-hour speedrun achievement is going to be brutal now, though.

>>174661006
Finally! another cfag! save me

>>174703669
>and besides - they might have changed the recipes by now
I hope they changed something, at least. Like making techs generally have fewer cycles but longer research time per cycle. If they left the rocket tech at 1000 cycles, the tech would be about 2.5x more expensive than the rocket itself.

>>174675435
Late response, but:
MRE's are very calorie-dense and take very little time to eat. If you aren't physically active you can eat 1, maybe 2 per day and not be hungry.

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>>174684692
Moths are cute! CUTE!

>>174675503
>>174705273
Redpill me on soylent please
I am looking into meal alternatives because I'm monumentally lazy

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>>174704909
Save you from this horrible world where the average programmer is something like the equivalent of an alchemist to a modern day chemist?
I don't know if I can.

>>174706489
>where the average programmer is something like the equivalent of an alchemist to a modern day chemist?
You mean that as in "the average programmer is a idiot that still rely on bubblesort for everything only because quicksort's algorythm sounds scary"?

>>174706675
you assume they know what bubblesort of quicksort are...
don't you know the proper, modern way is to add 15 libraries and use the in-built sort function, that was written in php as a joke?

>>174707532
Lucky me in my limited school experience with C/C++ the only library (was it a library?) was stdio.h and MAYBE math.h when square roots were involved

>>174707645
yea, i'm glad i went through a "path of fire" in my uni as well

>>174707828
What do hot coals have to do with C? Other than they both start with the letter "c" obviously

>>174707878
Do you need any other reason?
But seriously now: "path of fire" as in "trial by fire" - a hard, but rewarding approach, the high road, some biblical references, etc. etc.

I even had a written exam where I were given code in assembly and had to write down the 1s and 0s for particular processor type

>>174706416
No idea on soylent, but I highly recommend MRE+fiber bars. Might be more expensive than other meals, depending on where you get it, but the damn things take 2 minutes to eat and will keep you full for the day. Just make sure you also add in fiber, or you'll be spending all that extra time in the bathroom instead of gaymen

>>174708028
Well it wasn't really a trial by fire as they were [emphasis] very [/emphasis] basic programs.

Is there anything else like Factorio?

The closest I've found so far is FortressCraft Evolved. But it's rather weak on the automation and logistics side, being mostly about finding ores (underground), then figuring out how to get power down to the mine and how to get the ores back to your base.

Once you've smelted the ores, there doesn't seem to be anything that needs a production line (manual crafting is instantaneous and there's no limit to the amount of raw materials you can hold in your inventory).

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>>174706675
>You mean that as in "the average programmer is a idiot that still rely on bubblesort for everything only because quicksort's algorythm sounds scary"?
That's actually not so bad.


>>174707532
>don't you know the proper, modern way is to add 15 libraries and use the in-built sort function, that was written in php as a joke?
Slightly worse.


Worst is the people who know enough to get something done, but in a convoluted way that introduces many more problems than you originally had.
These are the people who make everything about computers bad for everyone involved.

>>174708473
Minecraft with tech mods

>>174707532
> add 15 libraries and use the in-built sort function, that was written in php as a joke?
The worst I've seen is to create a ListBox control with the LB_SORT flag (i.e. automatically sort list entries), add items, then enumerate the entries (which are in the displayed order, i.e. sorted).

valgrind here
post your compiler flags or you will have to use MISRA C forever!

>>174706416
>meal alternatives
Oats and nuts (in the culinary sense of the word, not the taxonomic one).
Peanut butter is piss cheap for the amount of calories provided, to the point where it's the principal ingredient in food donations.
Wash down with milk or water.
Add spices for flavour variation, and fresh fruit/vegetables to stave off malnutrition (and rock-hard shits due to lack of fiber).

Soylent is for faggots who're too dumb to feed themselves.
A noose around your neck would be a better meal substitute.

>>174709162
Explain why it's bad to a total profane of C

>>174709890
Unsalted sunflower seeds with peanut butter is a great choice

>>174709574
./ccomp -c -dcminor

>>174708398
now that I look at them, yes, but first time I had to write integral computing in assembly i was terrified

>>174709890
I already live on tortillas, pb, oatmeal, tea, ready-to-microwave ground beef and frozen tortellini.

>>174710218
it's not even C. ListBox control is from WPF I think
>>174709890
>Add spices for flavour variation
I don't think he cares about flavour, honestly

>>174713424
Sorry, i just noticed right now i forgot to define one thing.
I was speaking about my programs, not the assembly stuff.
Shit like vectors and creating functions within the main()

I don't even know what a integral computing is

>>174713862
Ok, why it is bad then?

The only programming that matters is embedded procedural C and ASM. Maybe FPGAs.

CLANG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGl5eGvhbG4

>>174713958
mathematics. given the function F(x) = y, calculate the field of area under the curve for x in (a,b)
the weird squiggly S symbol
>>174714191
c++ in ok for some plebeian software, but yea, i agree

>>174715115
magnificent
praise clang

>>174715265
Ah, ok then, i knew what integral were but "integral computing" threw me off

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REM TONKS WHEN?

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>>174715914
15 years from now

>>174715735
It's late and I stopped giving fuck about english, sorry, should've written it clearer

>>174715914
CEASE

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>>174716112
DELET THIS

>>174715914
>>174716112
What if tonks get replaced by tenks late in development

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>>174716112

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>>174716468
What if there are already tonks but we do not realize it?

>>174716951
There were tonks, but egg memes forced REMdev to scrap them in favor of tinks

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teinks

>>174704143

>>empyrion - mess

Empyrions getting a huge update pretty soon. That server we /egg/'d on for a while is also getting a full reset for the update.

Lots of new things like weather on planeds, and enviromental hazards like radiation or acid rain. NPC traders are now actual NPCs you can interact with, with guards that will fuck you up if you attack them.

It might be a good time to /eggpyrion/ again.

>>174718594
>full reset
holy fuck, this is the best possible scenario for maximum comfy. every faction starting from scratch. I hope that it updates after factorio, because if it updates at the same time it'll be killed by the .15 hype

>>174688925
isn't CED serb always up anyway? I think it's the notCED serb that has been ded and ded?
I mean, last time I checked steam said it was up and running spengos with a whopping 0 users connected.

Besiege /egg/ serber WHEN?

>>174717249
those oar nut teinks dey ar baells wit face

>>174720278
when multiverse's here

>>174720575
deyz be feiz ondem bolz

>>174720113
Ced hasn't had a serb up for ages
Notced, Keo, has been keeping the serb up. Last update fucked joining and inventories, causing frequent client crashes.

73.65.36.187:27016

>>174675435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXcByAHTV4

>>174722868
It was Keo removing the mass driver mod that caused every inventory that ever had any tungsten ingots in it to crash anyone accessing it. So that means everyone's refineries and containers produce an instant CtD if you as much as access a control panel on "contaminated" grid.

>>174724534
Wait, is this conjecture, or did you talk about this with Keo? Does Keo know?

>>174724534
>mods
Not even once.

>>174724534
>>174724717
Asked him, he says he re-added it after removal and the crashening still happens

>>174724938
>vanilla
>being THIS much of a masochist

>>174724938
Better an unreliable modded game than a contentless vanilla. I refuse to play games with no mod support.

Also it's your own fault if you remove a mod from an in progress save. That nearly always causes problems.

>>174725093
>>174725238
i mod it so the suit's inventory is smaller

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>>174725093
>posts in /egg/
>doesn't like pain
What are you doing here then?

>>174665495
if you could edit that, please inform the reader that boilers are now 2x3 tiles, and pumps are 1x2 tiles (and the special train wagon pumps are probably 2x2)

>>174724717
>is this conjecture
Tested on the serb.
Grids that were never touched by tungsten ore (and I think helium was in that mod too) never crash, regardless how many times you access inventory.
Modded containers checked, if built on a fresh grid they never crashed.
A grid that was known to have tungsten in it crashes every time.
No other server/vanilla/singleplayer has this problem.
All possible variables checked, and the crashes coincide with the removal of the Mass Driver mod.

>>174724938
Fuck off vanillanon.

>>174724980
What I'm guessing is that the affected containers all have an item value/id that was borked when the server loaded the first time without the mod. Think of missingno but in containers. So even with the readded mod the shagged value/item still remains.


What is most likely a very time-consuming solution would be to completely grind down every container, refinery and assembler on the affected grid, and to rebuild them. A time-consuming solution that is probably not done because of feelings of defeat/finals/just the raw time it would take.

>>174725093
>modded spergies, in multiplayer no less
I've simply chosen a different flavour of self-inflicted pain.

>>174725370
The official version is posted now, so the pastebin is no longer relevant.
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44438
Unfortunately, even the official changelog doesn't list all the details.

These pages cover more:
https://wiki.factorio.com/Upcoming_features
https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-187
but it looks like the 1x2 pumps still aren't mentioned in any of these.

>>174725628
>a very time-consuming solution would be to completely grind down every container
That doesn't seem like a good idea.

>game crashes every time it tries to get details of the bugged item
>grind down container
>bugged items spill out into open space
>game tries to get details so it can render the item
>instant CTD for everyone within viewing radius of the bugged item

>>174726283
Except that didn't happen when we, two people that are not Keo, tested it.
As in we grinded down our ingot container and it was fine. However one or more of our ~30 in total assemblers and refineries are probably most likely fucked, or the whole grid might be permafucked, or gas Marek.

>>174726283
>suck the offending item out with sorter on a docked connector
>dismantle the connector and sorter, leaving the crashing item in a portable container
>build a warhead on it, then attach a landing gear with another warhead on it
>pick it up with landing gear
>accelerate towards enemy base, set timer on detonator-warhead and disengage the lock
>fly away without ever once turning back
>enjoy the resulting peace and quiet

>>174727168
>landing gear
>twice held
that's not a dick move, that's a suicide

>>174727168
Mate if it was a funny item with a funny texture it would be much easier to fix it.
The rawtext data of the contents of the containers is probably fucked, since the crash logs don't say "error when displaying an item" but "error when trying to reference something that doesn't exist anymore".

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Spengies multi still broken? What they fuck have they been doing since the lead guy saw how shit it was on livestream?

>>174727514
What are you, afraid to die in a shower of sparks?
>>174727551
Seems like something was fucked up big time.
Have you tried turning off all of the mods then turning them on one by one to find the one that crashes the client with no survivors?

>>174727860
>enduring the slow spengos loading times 77 TIMES
Well that would require time and Keo, two things I don't have a lot of.

>>174727789
spengies multi much better
spengies big, devs incompetent, it'll take time
>>174727860
He who hath not withstood the wrath of the Clang, may never understand the fear, that lies in the heart of many.

>>174728119
bisection anon.

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>>174728267
Can you use moving parts on ships in multi yet?

>>174728650
about 2 month ago I played on (almost) modless serb, it worked fine, even made myself a miner that had triangle of drills on a rotor.
bear in mind most shipparts had a limit of 6 per player, but simspeed never dropped under 0.8

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>>174665495
>I watched the entire fucking thing and typed up the good stuff for the pastebin above.
>Klonan posted full version both on forums and reddit

You sure must feel stupid now.

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What am I in for? Top tips?

>>174729078
>no mobs

you are in for a re make of the map faggot

>>174729078
Stop and wait 3 days.

>>174708473
Infinifactory

>>174729205
I have it set to not attacking first, that doesn't mean they don't exist right

>>174729206
Will the game change much? I'm a slow learner and would like to get a head start on this coming update

>>174729348
It will change enough stuff in mid-game, so if you were to get the beginnings done it would help somewhat.
And try to not play on peaceful. While it's fine if you're trying to learn the game, it makes a major part of the game completely irrelevant.

Will new resources in Factorio spawn in on old worlds? I really don't want to redo the whole thing.

>>174729348
>Will the game change much?

Yes.

Go in blind. Try to figure things on your own, instead copying already perfected plans.
Only tip you need is using Alt key.

>>174725345
For the longest time I wanted to shop /egg/ game logos on these graves.

>>174729663
Considering that new version will break old setups you should just start a new game.

Many recipes changed and boilers have different size.

>>174728119
You brought this upon yourselves.
You can also load mods in blocks, when one causes the crash, separate it into smaller blocks and so on until you find the mod that causes the crashes.
>>174728267
I fear not His wrath, for we slavs are the Clang's chosen.
We embrace Clang in every form he takes.

>>174729078
>>174729348
honestly it's better to wait untill tuesday now, the long-awaited 0.15 is just around the corner.
other than that: you are in for some nice fun and autism, beware though, it's a great timesink
do first 2 parts of the campaign (basically untill you get the car objective), then ditch it and go freeplay (i recommend going all normal for 1st playthrough to get in terms with the game, the next time you can have more fun)
>slow learner
well, that doesn't mean much unless you go multiplayer (pvp), it's a marvelous game to just mess around and learn on your mistakes
>>174729663
almost 0 chances

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>>174729946
Do it faggot.

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Is Wube full of autists?

>>174715265
>integration in assembly
Analytically or numerically?
Wolfram Alpha on a PIC12 when?

>>174730870
might as well be.

Tho I appreciate that I will no longer need mod for coal liquefaction

>>174731697
Fun fact, that mod was made by one of the devs.

>>174731761
>implying i didn't know

>>174731871
Yeah I thought that, but still it's fucking hilarious that devs are making their own mods and then incorporating them into the game.

>>174732008
>still it's fucking hilarious that devs are making their own mods
that's absolutely not hilarious

>hey senpaitachi me got an idea
>go fuck yourself the r-date for 0.12 is already on the ropes ain't got time for dat shit
>o-okay senpaitachi i'll do it as a mod
>in my free time
>sorry for bothering ya all

>>174732223
>devs spending their free time on a game
>a bad thing

>>174731237
numeric: easy mode, we were allowed to do it by trapezes, but it was 1 of 3 questions on the exam and you had 1h or 30m (this was few years ago, my memory can't reach that far)

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Will we have factorio serb when 0.15 hits?

>>174730779
You do it.

>>174733820
hopefully

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>>174717039
>ability to build technicals
>ability to build volvos
tünks will rule the rem

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>finally figured out how steam power worked
>didn't realize the no power icon was because I hadn't hooked it up to anything that required power
>i'm tarded

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>>174736134
i want /o/ to go and stay go

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>>174737745
I want /o/ to stay

>>174737745
/mo/ is as /egg/ as /k/

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>>174737882
I agree.

>>174738308
if only the iron curtain hadn't fallen, we could have the G11

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>want to play spengies
>/egg/ has no more server, and even then, the only one it had used mods while I only play vanilla
>want to play factorio
>update comes out in 3 days so I don't feel like starting a new game right now

>>174740964
>being a vanillafag for any game
name 1 game where the devs are not retarded that has good mod support besides factorio

>>174741060
>besides factorio
You're not making this fair.

I'm getting enough fun out of vanilla spengies. I'm getting ptsd of those minecraft days 5 years ago when the admins of the server I was on started adding more and more silly mods until my sense of immersion completely wore off and I switched to single player only ever since.

>name 1 game
ok fine. Garry's mod.

>>174741731
Most serb admins are retarded when it comes to mod choice.
>Garry's mod
Fair point.

>>174724031
>we smashed a bunch of food and then burned it
Youtube was a mistake.

Anyone down with connecting to a serb hosted in the west coast of the United States of Jesusland?

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How bad is it, doc?

>>174745676
wat gem

>>174746129
think bigger
much bigger
like 40 furnaces per base ore

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>>174614338
>>174631354
I don't even play Factorio but I love the art style

>>174746359
How many steam engines do I need to be pretty future proof?

>>174745676
Sure, just let me boot up my Gamesphere

>>174746129
Need separate lines for each plate. Normally 12 Steel furnaces per side will fill a yellow belt.

Also, Steel production takes 5 iron and 5 times as long, so have a line of iron furnaces put directly into steel furnaces

>>174746545
>>174746359
Alright yea, I'm thinking way to small I guess. Science requirements ramp up pretty quickly

>>174746445
>future proof
No such thing, there is only constant expansion.

But normally, I build up in sets of 4 line of 10 each, just cuz its hard to get more than that too compact with each other.

>>174746445
All of them, the ratio is 1 pump to 14 boilers to 10 steam engines.
Then keep expanding.

>>174746129
How many drills do you have running?

>>174746675
>>174746741
Thanks

>>174746783
Decided to restart but I had 2 electric drills on each ore

>>174745676
>>174746246
>>174746528
Alright, serbs up.

>>174746246
Space Engineers
>>174746528
You're going to need a Xgamestationcube 360 to play the gaem.

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>>174737882
You mean /moe/

>>174746741
after the update it's going to be 1 boiler to 2 engines
I don't think boiler chains are going to be a thing either

>>174747197
rofl, that's not me.

>>174748330
Nope, reading the thing says there's actually going to be a steam instead of water, so boiler chains logically wouldn't work.
Wonder if this means I can no longer use boilers and steam engines as fluid bins.

>>174748495
You should still be able to do chains, you'll just run water up one side and steam up the other to the generators. Obviously fueling will take long inserters or underground pipes, but it's not like that's hard.

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How big do your maps wind up spreading out?

>>174748714
Unless they redid fluid logic that's going to be a pain in the ass.

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>>174631354
>those graphics
autism in high res

>>174748818
How's that?

>>174750432
Because fluid logic is pants on head retarded and having multiple pipes interacting with each other winds up not good or fun.

>>174748794
Go left till you hit bugs, then go right till you hit bugs. That's a good approximation.

Just remember to keep expansion in mind, but don't forget you can tear everything apart and rebuild it without much pain if need be.

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>>174750738
I have this problem where I feel the need to restart everything 3 hours in because I placed things bad in the beginning

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Factorio propaganda tower?

>>174750905
Tearing things apart to put them down better would only take ~30 minuets compared to the 3 hours it would take to start from scratch.

>>174751048
Pretty sure that's the hi-def version of the programmable speaker.

>>174750631
Yeah but I don't see a 1-5-10 setup being hindered any more than the 1-14-10 was.

>>174751167
I do it with everything, I'm lucky to get past 30 minutes of restarting my spawn

>>174751230
Because it's all spread out verses in a long line with as few pipes as possible.

>>174732223
more like
>this may fuck a lot of the game up
>gonna make it as a mod and see how many people like it and want it implemented
>neat a majority do
>ok people it goes in the game

>>174736429
>those belts
>those positions of the mines
yes you are