/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

Not even post limit yet you fuckin queer

>>174553508
Thank you for new thread I hate seeing thread fall off page 10 because of lazy autists.

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>>174553520
I know m8

I can only hope

I like the worm and the worm likes me

>>174553586
Fuck off lazy

>>174553586
Yeah but there were several guys crying "NEW THREAD WHEN" and even more idiots answering "NOT YET YOU DUMB SPIDERFUCKER".

So I made that one early. Please keep posting in the old one until it reaches 750 posts, okay?

So can you research jumpdrives on hyperlanes only?

>>174553771
Yes. The allowed FTL thing is just what everybody is forced to start with.

>>174553695
It's better to make it slightly early than it is to have it drop off page 10 because nobody cba.

>>174553695
>implying you didn't post that shit yourself so you'd have an excuse to post more spidershit while furiously masturbating about what a master troll you are

>>174553636
It barely even happens in other games, there's 0 chance for Stellaris, sorry bud.

With Utopia and Banks now out, the next thing we have planned for you is the 1.6 'Adams' update. This update, named after Douglas Adams, is going to focus completely on bug fixing and quality of life changes, with no major feature additions and no accompanying paid DLC. Work on 1.6 actually started almost immediately after Banks/Utopia went into code freeze, and it already contains hundreds of bug fixes and usability/UI additions and tweaks. A particular focus of Adams has been to work on our backlog of old issues, taking care of many of the smaller issues and annoyances that have been present in the game since release. We've also made time for some of the things that were originally planned for Banks, but had to be cut due to time constraints. While I can't give you an exact release date for Adams yet, I can say that you shouldn't have to wait too long.
>https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-69-beyond-utopia.1015396/&utm_source=in-game&utm_medium=game-client&utm_content=devdiary&utm_campaign=adam_stellaris_devdiary_all_20170420

>>174553814

gay

>>174553892
Will it wreck my save games though.

>>174553815
I dunno, with all the retards taking every spider picture like a personal insult directed toward their mother, we'll have more and more posts whining about the OP and less and less actually talking about games.

>>174553824
I could answer I was too busy playing Don't Starve, but you wouldn't believe me.

>>174553892
>named after Douglas Adams

Why do they name them after random memesters?

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>>174553892

>>174553993
Just ignore them. Hopefully they'll thin out the farther and farther we get from Utopia.

Is there an event in the game that is a blatant rip off of Event Horizon or was that my More Events mod I was using back in the day?

>>174553959

Possibly , they said it would be a bug fix and QoL update so who knows

>>174554078
>le just ignore meme
there are autists that have been saying this for fucking years in my home general, /gsg/

protip: it does not fucking work

>>174554078
I hope the Utopia hype will die quickly so that we can resume discussions about others strategy games that aren't Stellaris.
Like Endless Space 2, for example.

I also hope it won't turn /civ4xg/ into a shitty clone of /gsg/ with every newfag posting his edgy grossgermanium and spamming "R8 MUH BLOB".

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>>174554191
Oh well.

You know every single one of us should not be playing Stellaris for about another three years or the point where it is fixed, right?

>>174553628
>spamming corvettes
The pastebin literally advises a mix of cruisers, destroyers and corvettes. The first two of which can mount PD or flak.
>graphics
Yes, that guy's a retard for thinking the graphics fit the truth.
>carriers
Fighter and bombers die to flak like there's no tomorrow, m8. I've yet to ever see one of them ever attack one of my ships after I unlock flak. If graphics aren't to be believer there either, you can believe that fighters and bombers have a range of 8 while flak has a range of 40.

>>174554384
It's hard to know when the sweet spot arrives, after they fix most of the bugs and add most of the missing features and content, but before they ruin the game with dumb new mechanics literally nobody asked for.

>>174554532
Well, CK2 is at the stupid new mechanics point now. Monks and Mystics is jumping over jumping the shark. Maybe we should all wait until Paradox are adding casino mini games. That way we know everything before must be pretty decent.

>>174554750
What's it adding?

>>174554826
Monks and Mystics? You can turn your character into a Satanic Sorcerer, turn the pope into a satanist and give birth to the devil.

Ladmates why won't my mods fucking update to 1.5.1, like half of them are still unusable

>>174554826
>>174554902
Don't forget Satanist have dark powers.

>>174554750
>hating on Monks and Mystics
Go back to /gsg/ to play Liquoria II. you contrarian.

>>174554750
>>174554826
>>174554902
What the fuck.
What happened to the "Historical Immersive Simulator"? I don't mind the Sunset Invasion because it's just at the end of the game, but this is really silly.

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FUCKING
MIGRANTS

>>174555134
gib jobs

>>174555123
The other orders can get magic items. So you can have the spear of longuinus, the holy grail and give birth to Satan out of your ass.

>>174555074
Yeah, it's not fake magic. It's actual harry potter stuff where you can use dark powers to cast fireballs and sacrifice bitches with telekinesis or something.

>>174555232
>give birth to Satan out of your ass
Bitch I do that every week.
Constipation is terrible.

>>174555232
Oh yes, the wizards can brew a potion that takes away depressed and stressed, and write a magnum opus that gives +5 learning and a bonus of your choice.
The ultimate power for Dominican is to get the "Temperate" trait.

Also Anon, the spear and grail are shit to be looted off Jerusalem if you're lucky.

>>174555232
>give birth to Satan out of your ass.
It's like you've never had homemade hotsauce.

>>174555308

eat some kiwis

>>174555134

WE NEED MO ENERGY FO DEM GOODS

>>174555430
But kiwis are adorable!

>>174555430
This. Also easy up on the red meat before you get haemorrhoids.

>>174555134

>thefungusamongus.jpg

>>174555521
>finally finish a precursor rng scavenger hunt
>find the Cybrex home system
>ruined ring world with about 40 eng and other shit
>it's in my rival's territory and he's building shit all over it

That was a total waste of time and hope.

>>174555430
>advocating cannibalism

>>174555672
>Not waging war over the ring.
Man up.

>>174555672

Gotta save scum that shit purely because of that my man

Cybrex are the best, too. You get living metal, the ruined ringworld for the 40 engi and having the ringworld in your border massively boosts the chance of discovering megaengineering tech so you can make your own. Shit's so good, I'll never not save scum for it.

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>Find Earth when it's in the middle of WWII
>Can't nab the achievement because it's in Xenophile FE territory.

>>174555779
It's deep in their territory. Would take me 5 or 6 wars to get it by which time 80 years will have passed and I'll have habitats at least, I hope.

>>174555793
I got living metal, funnily enough, but just from a bunch of other anomalies.

I play Ironman though. If I don't play it I savescum everything (seriously, I was savescumming siege ticks in EU4) and then bang in console commands at the first sign of stress.

>>174554421
>graphics
It's not just graphically. Their damage is noticeably lower than what it should be unless overkill is involved in some way. At the same time it isn't as much as what the graphical representation would suggest, but there's still overkill involved because they're not a hitscan weapon like energy and kinetics .As I understand it weapons are split into two parts, the irrelevant graphic and the hidden actual projectile. In energy and kinetics the projectile is effectively hitscan, even for plasma which travels relatively slowly, you'll notice this is you slow the game down and watch, stuff will regularly hit 0 hull and start to die before the plasma bolts are even halfway to them. With missiles the hidden projectile has a delay before damage is applied and in that delay more missiles can be fired even if they are overkill. The delay is significantly shorter than the graphical travel time but it's there.

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>>174555798
>The armies are named after the major powers involved in the war
Pretty neat.

>>174556024

It's also pretty dangerous to finish the 6th artifact if you are on hyperdrives. Almost made that mistake, had to delete the science ship which was at 80% of the special project.

>>174556181
You can just halt it, you know.

>>174555798
Are achievements even working? I should have had plenty since Utopia dropped. Stuff about curators and getting gifts from FEs and all that.

Hey thread, anon from a few threads ago who was talking about separating ethics from their bonuses as a third type of trait called "virtues", I just wanted to get your thoughts on the following.

>1
The simplest way I thought to do this; add no extra virtues or the like, just keep the 16 bonuses currently in game. Every virtue is aligned to a given ethic, and taking a specific ethics reduces or increases the cost of a virtue aligned with it.
Fanatic ethics modify the cost by +/- 2 points, non-fanatic by +/- 1 point, and non-aligned ethics by 0. Regular tier ethics cost 2 points, fanatic tier cost 3 points, and you can take a maximum of 5 virtues and vices (I'll get to that in a second), and you start with 4 virtue points.

For example: A player chooses fanatic militarist and xenophobe. +20% fire rate costs 3 points (-2 for f.mil), +20% army damage costs 3 (-2), +15% rivalry costs 2 points (-1 for xenophobe), and +15% border range costs 2 (-1), for a total of 4 points.

However, the player could instead take +20% fire rate (3-2), +30% border range (3-1), and +15% rivalry gain (2-1) for a total of 4 points.

Finally, as a third example, the player could instead take, say, +2 core systems which is 2 points, but becomes 4 instead because they're fanatic militarist.

Vices would be maluses specific to a given ethos (meaning only militarists can take a militarist vice) that you can optionally take to get extra points.

That's the basics of what I've worked out, and I was wondering if the thread had any ideas, wants, or suggesstions.

>TL;DR
Make ethics bonuses a separate trait of their own.

>>174556396
Yeah, they fixed 'em.

>>174556181
Why is it dangerous?

>tfw no dolphins in mammalian tab
>Can never play as fanatic xenophilic dolphins intent on teaching the galaxy the pleasure of dolphin sex.

>>174556463

I couldn't think of another word, but since whoever gets there and scans the anomaly first, you're probably screwed as hyperlanes because of how long it can take to travel long distances compared to other engines.

>>174556443
The other option would be to just outright create a whole bunch more virtues and otherwise reshuffle them around; for example, I never really thought that border range should be a xenophobe thing. It always seemed more militarist to me.

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>>174553508
Guys how do I supress effectively retard factions in fanatic egalitarian democracy?

I cant them lock them up on god forsaken mining prison colony, like I always do as Imperial/Dictatorial Empires.

How could I controll them?

Is there any disadvantage to just spamming robots all over mines and farms everywhere? Do they count as legit populations for my force limit?

>>174556842
You don't.

Just try to hold them around 30-40%ish faction happiness and keep around enough happiness/unrest modifiers that it won't have any negative impact.

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>>174555798
Soon

>>174553892
>Adams
Cringe as fuck. What's next? Gaiman update?

>>174557287

Moffatt

>>174557378
The Doctor Who scenarist who brought us the Weeping Angels?

>>174556898
They only give a bonus to mineral production so there's no advantage to putting them on farms unless you're min/maxing food production hard, but then I'm not sure the energy upkeep cost even makes that worth it. They also fall off on mines once you can stick modded pops that are very strong and industrious on unless you plan on going full synth.

>>174557287
Goddamn it. I literally wrote Moffatt before thinking it would too cringy, even for those cucks at paradox

>>174557287
>>174557489
Not an sci-fi expert, what is wrong with these guys?

>>174557489
Was meant to >>174557378

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>>174557125
FE can't protect you now.

>>174557610
They are popular, so since we're edgy contrarians, we all hate them.

>>174557610
He's a fucking hack, that's what's wrong with him. Normies love his INSANE PLOT TWISTS tho.

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Is it worth it to relocate the capital if you have a planet of the same type with like 22 tiles?

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Since you guys are largely a bunch of sci-fi buffs, I thought you mind find this interesting. I know I did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PKx3kS7f4A

>>174557791
Usually, that would be right, but not on this case. He's by far the worst Executive Producer the show has EVER had.

>>174558038
What in fuck's name is that

>>174555134

WE HERE FOR DEM GIBSMEDATS

>>174557452
Do the robots push out my borders and give me force limit that's all I care about just now. I didn't even know you could mod your own population until you wrote it there. Seems pretty cool.

>>174558120
Yeeaaaah. Isn't the Producer just the guy who pay for the show? Shouldn't you angrier about the episodes he wrote instead?

Bitch there better be a Reynolds update.

>>174558125
That's my former scientist, who is now a being of pure energy and vengeance

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>>174558125
When summoning a Shroud Avatar goes wrong

>>174556396
You might need to start a new save if you haven't started a new one since 1.5.1 or something

>>174558281
He writes most of the episodes. Well, the ones that aren't fillers, anyways

>>174558408
I kinda liked his episode with the Weeping Angels.

He kinda ruined them in Flesh And Stone, but still.

so what type of long Range weapons should I be putting on my Battleships?
I was thinking Missiles because they are the longest, and maybe Gauss canons and flack as other two weapon types on it

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>>174558361
>sit on earth bitching about why all sci fi aliens just look like humans
>outside a race of humans invade, land and conquer
>mfw

>>174558519

Use kinetics, missiles are useless at the moment as they get raped by PD

>>174558519

Kinetic Artillery > Large Plasma Weapons > Railguns > Best Lasers > Empty Slot > Missiles

>distant future
>paradox releases a new update completely changing interactions with primatives
>names it Tsoukalos
I can dream

>>174558605
Plasma. If you dont have plasma then kinetics.

>>174558519
1. You shouldn't bother with battleships
2. If you've already built some and don't want to disband them, load them up with plasma and maybe one flak

>>174558502
Yeah, Blink was simply the best episode he ever wrote, probably the best episode on the entire show.

>>174558997
Maybe that's because I understood the episode wrong, but I always thought that the angels' true form was something completely different.

And then he made more episodes with them and ruined them totally.

>>174559135

>statue of liberty, made of copper, is somehow an angel

I'll never forget that affront to one of the greatest episodes

>>174558281
traditionally producer is the creative and economic force behind a show in one, the role of the director (of the actors) has been greatly exaggerated in recent times

you can, occasionally still find this kind of auteur producer, but it's not as common as the auteur director these days

>>174558310
this

Revelation Space was the book that got me into SF in the first place, prior to that I had always just thought of sci fi as being cheesy bargain-bin trash.

>>174559391
>ywn come across a frozen world in Stellaris that was once lush and verdant but someone forgot to switch the cryo-arithmetic computer off

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>PD is so powerful that it renders an entire weapon type completely useless

should PD be nerfed?

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>habitable center
is this retarded or not?

>>174559294
For me, the worst offender was:
>"angels are faster than you can believe"
>"that angel form you see is just a quantum lock, don't trust it, they're fast!"
>comes Flesh and Stone
>what's-her-name falls down
>the angels slooooowly turn their heads

>totally contradicting everything that has been said later
>about that quantum lock being an instinctical defense mechanism they can't control (since they even turn into stone while unaware they're stared at)
>and about being unable to move while they're looked at

I always used to believe that retcon is the worst thing you can do as a writer, and I still stand by it.

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>fallen empire and awakened empire are doing absolutely nothing all War
Like they havn't even left their space
I was hoping that they would just severely cripple each other,without me needing to get involved until the end
though hopefully Both sides eventually decide to white peace, because after this war I am fucking the Awakened empire for independence
Plus, I do not want to Give the Awakened more land
because that would make him harder to take out in the future

>>174559781

I guess, its a bunch of blackholes eating suns and each other so it'd be pretty dangerous to live there.

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What are some good scfi books?

>>174559951
>he thinks good sci-fi books exist

>>174559951
I'm reading Off Armageddon Reef right now, it's an interesting change of pace. Starship Troopers is mandatory reading obviously.

>>174559781
It's not totally retarded.
Yes the center is a fairly inhospitable place but it's not completely outlandish to think there would be habitable worlds especially when you're dealing with FTL travel. So the planet may only be safe to inhabit for 50,000 years, that's still probably longer than your empire will last and is certainly longer than the scope of the game.

>spawn next to 2 stagnant ascendencies
>they both get fuckin rekt on by unbidden as soon as humanly possible after crisis begins
>acquire 5 ringworld habs and 5 planets
>make a 1k/250-ish fleet while still having 150/200 income for the lols

>still can't actually do anything because fanatic pacifist

>>174559951
starship troopers, more of a political treatise though

>>174560026
>only good books are incredibly boring but you are supposed to jerk off to how well writtren they are

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So when on fleet view, I can't actually see all of my ship types because they cap out at 5. If I want to quickly check how many of other ships I have, I can't scroll the horizontal list or anything, I have to go and count them from the dropdown.

Am I missing something and is there a handy feature to check this, or is it a "Ha Ha Fuck Quality of Life" thing from Paradox?

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well here it goes, time to earn that delicious gaia world.

>>174560595
It's a paradox "this is our first 4x and we missed this basic design" thing.
Note how the ship designer doesn't even have a randomize name button for new designs, they never intended for you to make more than one design for each class.

>>174559951
>>174559951
The Forever War
Allistair Reynolds
Iain M Banks

>>174559951
Cherrych Company Wars and Alliance vs Union books
Le Guin books

Proton torpedoes, plasma and distributor is the current meta right?

>>174560961
>disruptors
God no, you use kinetic artillery for shield stripping.

>>174560961
Just arm yourself with good old kinetics and rape everything with bullets

>>174560961
>>174561089
Not him, but should start with Lasers or Kinetics then?
>The missile meme is dead
Long live Paradox.

>>174559951
2001 A Space Odyssey

>>174561427

Laser start is good for two reasons imo

1: the pirate station has 43% DR from armor and having lasers means that you can kill it with less ships
2. Pirate are easy do deal with once you have shield tech ( this also applies the other way around ) but the player has the spam advantage

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What went wrong?

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What loadout in Stellaris would I need to play like Venice?

>>174561679
They tried to bring in a new, casual, younger audience.

You know, I wish they let you modify what weapons and shit on unique ships like the dreadnaught has
Because it would be Goat if you could replace its weapons with ones that were more useful
also I made the mistake of repairing it before I got jump drives so it is just sitting at my homeworld as decoration
Like it shouldn't have been too hard to let you edit it but not be able to build new ones

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Three noob questions:

1. How do I know when my empire size is starting to seriously affect my research speeds? I can't see any modifier based on number of colonies or anything like that, and I don't know if I'm actually getting more than I'm losing out of them

2. When you have a rival neighbor, how do you decide if you want to vassalize / make them a tributary / liberate chunks from their territory into lesser factions that are buddies with you / outright conquer them and cede planets to you?

3. Is joining a federation worth it? It's mostly composed of nice but somewhat weak nations to my "south". I've already been an associate for a while since I don't intend on trampling on them and the diplo friendliness + NAP bonuses seemed good while I secured my "north".

Pic related, my current situation - on "Opinion" map mode. Red guys are obviously my rivals/opposed to my ideologies. I've chipped away at the Hegemony of Thar'Biq (the Psi symbol guys to the north) and helped a slave rebellion by giving them planets through war (those green guys north of Thar'Biq)

I'm thinking of liberating the "northeastern" chunk from Thar'Biq again to form another small empire that agrees with me, and take the core planets for myself, but I don't know if I should just take it all for myself, liberate them all, or bully them into being my vassals or tributaries outright.

>>174561427
Always start kinetics. Anything else is a meme.

>>174558038
The main reason to move the capital is to control factions and for the border boost.

So just like do it if a good opportunity comes up.

>>174562029
1. hover over the research cost
2. I prefer liberating and making tons of little empires because blobbing is boring lategame
3.federations are worthless

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Would you?

>>174562463
thiccfags belong in the same place as spiders

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>>174562029
>1. How do I know when my empire size is starting to seriously affect my research speeds? I can't see any modifier based on number of colonies or anything like that, and I don't know if I'm actually getting more than I'm losing out of them
Every single planet and habitat you owns increases science and unity costs.


>2. When you have a rival neighbor, how do you decide if you want to vassalize / make them a tributary / liberate chunks from their territory into lesser factions that are buddies with you / outright conquer them and cede planets to you?
If they aren't a similar ethos as you, they will not properly integrate into your empire and will ultimately be a problem. Liberate them if you want to neutralize them, tributary them if you want them to eventually die by another empire, vassalize them if for some reason you want to keep them around and cede them if they are the same ethos

>3. Is joining a federation worth it? It's mostly composed of nice but somewhat weak nations to my "south". I've already been an associate for a while since I don't intend on trampling on them and the diplo friendliness + NAP bonuses seemed good while I secured my "north".
You give up a lot of your freedom when you join a federation. if possible you should stay solo. Federate if you start getting surrounded by threats you can't face.

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>>174562463
Would I what? Turn her into Horatio? Yes I would.

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>>174562636

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>>174562463
Eh, maybe a one night stand.

Now, THIS, this I would do every night forever.

>>174562463
EXTRA T H I C C

>>174562636
>horatio will never extend the gift of horatio to you
>you will always be a hideous normie

>>174562718
Are you sure? They'd probably warp time around you and it would be over before you even realized.

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>>174562718
All the leaders look great.

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>>174562280
>>174562627
Okay, thanks for the answers.

Also I guess one more thing:

How do I into sectors? Right now I have them all at "balanced" mode and 75% contributions because they have healthy minerals and energy income and saved up supplies, so I don't think they're in dire need of anything. I'd like them to stop building defense armies (because at least from what I've seen they're worthless and when I do need them I want them to be from a strong species or clones/droids).

Do you just arbitrarily pick one sector to be the science focus sector, another to be the energy sector, etc? Or do you decide based on the bonuses you see while on Balanced mode, or what?

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FUCK
And I was about to start a war for independence from an awakened empire as well

>>174562872
Nah, it'd go something like this
>compress time to get through the foreplay
>dilate time as we both close to climax
>fold time to skip the last two seconds right to orgasm
>stasis time to hold us in orgasm for however long
>rip time to go right back to the start and do it all over again

is it possible to purge without xenophobe?

>>174563187
Sectors are beyond retarded

>>174563234
>Sudden mystery hole in my space
Guess I know where they will Spawn
Hopefully this does not fuck up my borders
Because if some fuck gets a good chunk f my land ima be pissed

>>174563187
Sector AI is retarded. Just keep them on balanced, try to only feed them fully developed planets with redevelopment turned off.

>>174563371
So you don't use them or what? Do you just go over your core world cap?

>>174563446
Shit, I basically gave them all the new worlds that I conquered without any thought. What do now?

What civics to give a xenophile fanatic militarist civ?

Besides distinguished admiralty.

>>174561746

Egalitarian bereave it or not

>>174563309
Authotarians can displace.
Non-egalitarians can set them to resident which means they'll slowly, slowly migrate away and you can fill in their empty squares with robots to prevent them from breeding replacements.

>>174563530
Take all the core planet boosting stuff, only stick planets in when they're finished and don't let the sector redevelop

>>174561679
The god-fucking-awful UI.

>>174563553
Citizen service is pretty good

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>>174562029
>1. How do I know when my empire size is starting to seriously affect my research speeds? I can't see any modifier based on number of colonies or anything like that, and I don't know if I'm actually getting more than I'm losing out of them

Every planet and pop increases research cost. If you're not completely neglecting science, you'll do fine. If you double your pop size (and add a few planets) but don't double your research, your research will get slower. If your techs are taking longer than 50 months, time to tech up. Is research taking "too long?" Then you need more science duh.

As a point of note, the more pops and planets you have, the more diminishing returns you get off new science planets, and the more diminishing penalties you get from new pops and planets.

>2. When you have a rival neighbor, how do you decide if you want to vassalize / make them a tributary / liberate chunks from their territory into lesser factions that are buddies with you / outright conquer them and cede planets to you?

I don't trust the AI to be competent to any level, so I always outright conquer stuff. The only exception I've ever made was with Protectorates when I needed more purple mana.

>3. Is joining a federation worth it? It's mostly composed of nice but somewhat weak nations to my "south". I've already been an associate for a while since I don't intend on trampling on them and the diplo friendliness + NAP bonuses seemed good while I secured my "north".

No. Did it once the cheevo, and never again. The AI is pants-on-head retarded, you surrender 2 influence per month and 20% of your fleet cap, and instead you gain a defensive pact, sensor sharing, and a federation fleet that you can command only some of the time. So it's basically nothing. That said, the federation fleet can get huge and won't trigger fallen empire awakenings.

>>174563936
>Every planet and pop increases research cost
This is stupid.

>>174563936
Awesome, thank you for the explanation and chart

>>174564082
The exact formula is

Research cost = Base Cost * (1+0.1(Total Planets in Empire - 1)+0.01(Total pops in empire-10))*Research Agreement Modifier

Each planet (or habitat) past 1 increases cost by 10%, and each pop past 10 increases cost by 1%.

>>174563648
how long does displacement take to remove them? what if I control the entire galaxy or nobody will let them move in?

>>174564302
That's still retarded, it punishes you if you go wide and decide to build a heaven for your hikkikomori population.

>>174564396
Took 50 years to depopulate 30, so a very long time. And I guess you're stuck with them if you control the entire galaxy.

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>>174559951
Armor.

>>174564460
It punishes if you go tall with habitats, too, because habitats count as planets.

>>174564287
The chart was for determining if you should ever not build habitats filled with science.

The answer is: probably not, but don't build too many. The problem with habitats is that they are only size 12 which leaves 11 science-able tiles for a total of +33 tech, so each science-only habitat will only slightly decrease your overall tech research time. A size 20 planet will be able to put out out upwards of 100 science while contributing only +30% tech cost. A habitat will put out 33 tech and while contributing +22% tech cost.

>>174564741
Wait no hang on I'm retarded. A size 20 planet that isn't your capital can only build L3 science buildings, and each of those combined product 6 science. A Habitat's science building will make 9 science total. A size 20 planet with 19 L3 science labs will output 114 science, but a habitat with 11 science buildings will put out 99 science.

So tl;dr habitats are good for science still, but you're still getting diminishing returns on anything.

>first Crisis I encountered
>spawned within jumping Distance of My Doomstack
I also let a few of their fleets come through the portal first for that delicious Debris
this was more of a inconvenience for me other than a Crisis
though Guess thats because it was handled Quick as fuck

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>>174565402
Forgot pic

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What's the point of hives to be honest?

Is uplifting worth the effort? Im currently uplifting tribal humanoids and it will take like 30 years they would serve as a buffer between me and a hive mind of kawaii gecko people.

>>174565671
It fun. I uplift people then camp their planet with orbital bombardment until the race is gone.

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>tfw your armies are led by a violent little granny
>tfw she's a veteran of over a dozen planetary invasions
>tfw you will never get a chubby as Ol' Nan blows you a kiss and tells your regiment to give em hell just before you climb into your drop pod
>tfw you will never find yourself pinned down against the dirt of some alien world, bullets flying and death all around, just to see General Scarlett Snow herself lead the charge up the ridge screaming "THE FIRST MARINE TO THE TOP GETS TO TASTE THIS PUSSY"

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>>174565751

>>174562029
1. It increases every time you colonize something, same with unity costs. You can offset it just by building a few research labs on every planet/habitat you colonize.

2. It depends on your play style, there's no right way to do things it's just based on what you want to do. Generally speaking, vassals work best when they have similar ethics so that when you integrate them they don't form a large opposition bloc to your dominant ethics.

3. NEVER join a federation with the AI. Federations only work in multiplayer sessions. You are required to vote on going to war while in a federation and the AI will never vote yes on anything you want to do but will drag you into multiple pointless wars which give you nothing. It's dumb, never do it. Ever.

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Why is the AI so shit. I houldnt have to let them cheat for them to just be equal to me. How hard is it to have a set path. They could do it in the RTS games without letting them cheat why cat they do it here. This is one of the better races and I have them as a tributary. Everyone but fallen empires suck and Im close to beating them, already out of the overwhelming range.

>>174565671
Only for RP purpose.

There is any 4x game in which i can rp but isnt stellaris?

>>174565602
Don't give a fuck about happiness
Settle 40% habitable worlds
Don't give a fuck about factions
Get genetic engineering
Make everyone else a part of you

>>174566131
King of Dragons Pass

>>174566037
Ill do it this is my first game. Im human and they are charismatic squid babes. Cant wait to have a race of sexy squid ladies serve me.

>>174566131
Age of Wonders 3

>>174566225
I never lasted long in that game, the turn timers last way too long

>>174565602
Easy mode games basically, for people who can't bother to manage their empire and just want to mindlessly conquer the galaxy. No factions, no ethics divergence, no ruler changes to worry about, no pop happiness to manage, no uprisings to suppress. Because your pops have no happiness you can settle them pretty much anywhere as long as they have the bare minimum habitability. The only somewhat challenging thing is hiveminds have relationship penalties with most other empires and can't really do migration treaties or anything, they're basically autistics who can't interact with others and can only mindlessly expand.

>>174566131
Fallen Enchantress.

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>Friends are going mega corporation

What can I do to give myself either an advantage or at least keep us equal without resorting to the same thing?

I have a feeling they'd smoke me in lategame.

How hard is it to mod stellaris? Never touched any game modding, and all I want to do is a model swap. Assuming I can create and animate the model would it be hard to do?

>>174566743
>How hard is it to mod stellaris?
It depends on what you want to do, but a simple model swap is probably pretty easy.

>>174566575
What game?

>>174566789
>>174566575
Fuck, sorry, in Stellaris.

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actually a pretty great reference tbqh

>>174563187
Sector AI is stupid and can't be counted on to do anything properly. I never let sector AI develop planets so I don't care about specialization. I make a really long building queue that puts something on every tile and then disallow tile redevelopment so the AI can't change my buildings. Then I put the system into a sector and let the AI upgrade my buildings and shuffle around pops like the retard it is, probably not using the traits efficiently at all but sectors aren't really about maximizing resource efficiency.

Also it seems you already got the general idea based on your sector incomes, but you should put as few systems into sectors as possible. Because the resource stockpiles they have are totally useless, they can't be tapped by you at all and after all the systems inside are upgraded they just uselessly stockpile minerals and energy that will never be spent on anything. So only put as much in there as you need to.

>>174566997
Is that war of the world?

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Greetings!

>>174567119
>Yet, across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.
Yes.

>>174567271

Top kek

>>174567094
Sector AI was redone and is generally competent enough not to fuck you. 1.6 is also adding the ability to take 75% of their stockpile for 100 influence.

>>174567271
>it's a "xenophobe roman empire" episode

What kind of fleet power do I need to take out a FE with 2 systems. They haven't woken up yet.

>>174566575
Just go spiritualist and laugh at them.

>>174567532
Does it still not build robot pops? Cause that's why I stopped relying on it. It never built robots when I left it to its own devices.

>>174567647
They have 80k of fleet power. Though you can repeatedly destroy their ships in smaller wars and they won't rebuild as long as they don't awaken.

>>174566789
>>174566878
>>174566575

I guess I could try to unity and psionic the shit outta em'

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>>174567271
>Romanum

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Is there any point in keeping Derelict-class ships around? I can't seem to upgrade them or anything.

Are they basically museum pieces?

>>174567647
45k minimum

>>174567532
I checked a sector with 8000 minerals, 17,000 energy. Every planet that it's been left to manage which I didn't build up first is covered in unemployed people because it hasn't built any buildings.

>>174567880
>>174567271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-fDzUJXI

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>>174567873
God damnit forgot picture.

>>174567738
They can build them. Never bothered to check how efficiently they use them.

>>174567647
Build hundreds of military station on a choke point before you start the war then lure them in. Like if youre doing a spiral galaxy do it in the long part to go to the next arm so they cant see it.

>>174567920
You can't update event created ships anymore so once they're obsolete you should disassemble them. I keep the unbidden science ship to assist my homeworld's research because it looks neat.

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>>174567532
>create system that's supposed to discourage micromanagement
>it sucks donkey dick so you have to micromanage anything you give it beforehand
>it basically collects a 25% tax for forcing you to graciously not micromanage it
>it doesn't do shit with the tax it collects
>now you can get some of that 25% tax back through additional micromanagement

why.

just fucking WHY.

>>174567920
Yeah. Kinda useful if you get it early and need a slight buff to your fleets but as soon as you can build your own equivilent, they become pointless.

How do you guys like Empire plans from Endless Legend? I think it's interesting to be able to plan ahead and revamp your economy into doing a specific thing every 20 turns or so, but it also seems a bit too much like a way to just make influence more useful.

>>174568116
You have to pay 100 influence, a far more valuable resource, to collect resources that your losing to their inefficiency in the first place. It's fucking stupid.

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These poor fools. They have no idea how valuable their planet is.

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>>174568116

Wait.

Is it really building a visitor center building on top of a strategic resource when there's an empty tile literally right next to it?

Why?

>>174567880
How do the Romans called themselves?

>>174568294
Not my photo, saved it from here a few days ago.

But yes.

And who the fuck knows.

>>174568053
You can't chokepoint FE's, they have jump drives.

They usually go straight for your homeworld anyway, so you just need to fortify the shit out of that.

>>174568294
Probably unchecked respect tile resources.

>>174568294
>Why?
welcome to sector AI

>>174568116
See, all they have to do is let you develop sector tiles if you want to. You can already fuck with the spacestations in a sector.

Just asking, like the Tech you Can Get from Researching Debris from Crisis's is pretty Decent right?
Because These Matter Disintergrator look Pretty Damn Snazzy

>>174568514
Defeats the whole purpose of the sector AI which is to let the AI develop it for you.

Except it doesn't.

And if it does, you really wish it hadn't because it's fucking retarded.

>>174568116
This shit is why I got a no planet cap mod.

>>174568580
>which is to let the AI develop it for you
They still can, though.

>>174568335
Romans would call themselves Romani, but their empire would be Romanus, Romanum is accusative.

>>174568514
That's against the whole point of sectors. Sectors are meant to automate the process so you don't have to meddle with it. But they're too stupid to do anything properly and Paradox can't seem to fix it worth shit.

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>>174568536

>>174568053
>>174568460
I'm playing with all warp this game anyways

>>174568116
It leads me to believe they did zero if/else programming for the AI
9 out of 10 problems regarding the sector AI could be avoided with simple arguments.
If food tile
build farm
else if mineral tile
build mine
else if power tile
build power plant
else if research tile
build lab
else if blank build something else.

It's only when you get to the blank tiles you'd have to add actual logic to take into account what's already built, but even without that logic just having the basic framework so it doesn't build pointless shit on the wrong fucking tile types would be such a massive improvement.

>>174568134
It gives a choice between expanding fast and being unable to sustain all but the most basic plans or slow, influence-friendly expansion.

>>174568909
There is an option to respect tile resources. If you disable it then it will obvious ignore the resources and try to build however you want them to focus.

>>174569108
The option doesn't actually work though

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If I'm a multi-species empire with different climate preferences under the fold, there's basically little to no reason to Terraform if I can just send appropiate species to each planet, right?

>>174569108
Even if it's enabled it doesn't always build the right shit.

Speaking of which why is it even an option in the first place? The AI doesn't have the intelligence to do cute micromanagement and judgment calls like that.

>>174568221
It's like they want me to keep using a no-sector mod.

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>>174569193

Decide who the niggers of your empire are and terraform their planets.

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So...

A Hive Mind empire was in a war recently, and they lost. Refugees came to my empire. From the Hive Mind.

Is this a trap? They're fucking part of a hivemind, there's no way they're going to act like normal ayy's right?
Did they unhook themselves from the Hive Mind or what? Is it safe to let them breed or should I keep them fucking far away in backwater planets?

>>174569258
In order to do what you tell it to focus on it will occasionally have to ignore the tile resource. It will never be a minmaxer. If that is what you want just get a mod to give you unlimited core systems.

>>174568767
Romanum is nominative. Or do you think the ancient romans didn't know their own language and misspelled "imperium romanum" in their own texts?

>>174569193
this is the good part of playing sweden
also
>tfw i slave a pope from a conquered enemy
>they form a militaristic faction
they never become pacifist i wonder why geez

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>>174568909

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What are the best settings in Stellaris for an Australian empire?

>>174569434
I should clarify, the Hive Mind empire is still around, they just lost a chunk of their territory in a war against someone else.

That's why I'm paranoid that they might still be controlled by them.

>>174569498
Thank you for making me spill my drink in laughter

>>174569434
they will die eventually


ALso, what you guys think about ai fleet command?

>>174569434
They're going to die because they aren't connected to the hivemind.

>>174569258
>>174569108
What I want is the ability to queue Ships to build at a Sector and have them auto distribute it throughout all the Space Stations in a sector
It would Be Amazing and helpful as fuck

>>174569434
They will die soon.

>>174569498
ironically someone with remedial javascript knowledge spots the error in paradox's programming, or lack of. That image was literally what I was going for.

Guys, is Ai fleet commander good?

Also, what do you think of star sector? i am playing and is good as fuck

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Post your blobs

>>174569498
What is wrong?

>>174569646
>>174569624
>>174569598
How soon? They've been in one of my planets for decades, I even used them to colonize another backwater planet that had their climate preference.

>>174569456
Nobody is expecting it to be as good at micromanagement as a person, they are asking for a bare minimum of competence so it's actually usable. Because right now, it's utterly unusable. It flat out does not build proper buildings, it doesn't recognize local resources like xeno animals and betharian stones and just builds stupid shit ontop of them, and in some cases it won't even upgrade existing buildings.

how reverse enginer the paradox tools so that i can modify hardcoded things in stellaris?

>>174568909
The problem with that is you could end up with a sector that has planets with shit for food, energy or minerals.

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>playing hivemind
God fucking dammit Paradox

>>174569824
This.
When I tick the respect tile resources box, I actually want it to respect tile resources even if I have a non balanced specialization set.

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>>174569753
my blob has been on hold for a while because of shit keeps coming up that both prevents me from getting my fleet to a size to feel confident enough to take on the stupid awakened empire

>>174569783
Paradox probably based the way sectors build stuff based on what the current resources it generates are, and what focus you gave that sector.
It's most likely not tied to tile resources because then it'd become far too rigid.
Also I think this guy just wanted to point out a chain of if else with no complex logical condition inside the guards looks wrong, as you'd use the Case construct here since you are testing the same thing for different values.
But that's literally fluff.

>>174569923
literally not a problem since global food was added.

Sectors revamp is honestly one of the most needed things and one of the main reasons why Stellaris is such a shallow game.
>mfw missing the Sectors promised before launch

>>174570101
If sector AI is draining your food you'll need to make up for it in your core systems.

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Thank you OP.

>>174569742
AI War : Fleet Command?
It's pretty fun, but very peculiar. It's like playing a single player game against an AI who's mostly passive. You're encouraged to manipulate the AI to your advantage, since your usual tactic won't work.
>harass it
It's already fully developped.
>neuter it by destroying its factories
The AI has factories out of the galaxy, you cannot destroy them.
>bluff it
You will only trigger a counter attack.

It's also very slow-paced, as you're encouraged to make a lot of reconnaissance to capture only the relevant planets quickly. The game is coded in such a way that if you try to capture everything, the AI will start considering you as a threat, and will send you high-levelled fleet that you have no hope of beating.
Honestly, it's a very concept game, very difficult to describe.

Star Sector is supposely the best thing since chocolate milk, but I haven't tried it yet.

>>174569824
People have been using it and winning for almost a year now. It's obviously usable.

>>174570217
So just make one food planet and then put it into a sector. Done.

>>174570217
If the planets have literally zero food you do a little micromanagement by setting food priority for a bit, then switching to what you want and disallowing redevelopment.

>>174570328
People have been playing around it for a year using the various methods described ITT. Nobody actually uses the way its intended because it's fucking stupid.

>>174570102
>not being this shitty combat
truly stellaris is good because of RP and flavor, it doesnt have one fucking "good" feature, only good ideas badly implemented.
but there's one thing i want, that i know will stay in dream till someone find a way to modify hard coded things, a trade system aka DWU but in which you can build tall by controlling the market with resources which you monopolize, i just wanted it, just FUCKING IT!!!

>>174570402
>of the almost 900,000 owners nobody has used it as it's designed
lel

I wont deny it could use improvement but it gets the job done well enough.

>>174570328
Only because the sector ai is the same as the enemy ai

>>174569797

They start to die off after they lose their refugee tag. It's fucking stupid hive mind pops can be refugees.

>>174566878
This is more or less stellaris general right now. You'd have more trouble if you talked about another game that wasn't stellaris without mentioning it.

>>174570718

they are snuggled against their will by pop trafficking pirates making profit

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>>174569509

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>>174570898
>snuggled against their will

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>>174570905
>Aussies
>xenophiles

>>174566575
it's easy to get a ridiculous economy mid game (50years) with mining guilds

What are some rts games that are cool with turtling? I'd just like to hang out and build up my base until I have an unstoppable force I can roll out with.

Age of Mythology, for example, is not one of these with constant enemy attacks that will just wear down your resources.

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>>174570905
>aussies
>xenophile

>>174571002
>57

speaking of pronouns , should hive pops be "it" or "they" , you can't snuggle a leg and call it an individual

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>>174570905
>Research hypercomms forum
>2000 years to complete

>>174570905
FOWF

>>174569434
I still don't get why hiveminds die when on a non-hivemind ruled planet. What happened to whatever mechanism which controlled the drones? Did they get killed off? Did someone build a huge jammer? Why does a ship inside non-hivemind territory not die off?

I got bored so Im going to enslave all 30 empires in the game. Along with the evolution based ascendancy so I can nerve staple some of them.

>>174571115
>multicultural society
>is not xenophile
they aree too buzy raping cangaroos to be xenophobic.

>>174571663
Don't think too hard on it, the devs didn't/

>>174570905
Honestly you could make them fanatic egalitarians instead of xenophile because modern social democracies are as close to it than any nations ever in the history of humanity.
And you would trigger more amerifats thinking anything but dogs eat dogs free market small governement is evil gommunism.

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What kind of zoo does a hivemind even build?

>>174570618
Nobody uses it the way it was meant to because it's literally impossible to. You can't use it as intended if it's so broken it can't perform the way its intended.

>>174571919
Egalitarian gives Utopian living standards as is, and I wouldnt say we are fanatic about it, not like we give abbos a fair go.

And Militarist makes sense since we go to war every single time any of our allies goes to war.

>>174571682
>mod actually deletes posts for the word cunt
This can't be real surely?

>>174572189
Mods cant handle the bants

>>174572189
One way to find out

cunt

>>174572063
Watched a playthrough by cringer63 and he did pretty well on hard with no micromanagement of sectors. They work fine but could be better. Autistic screeching from minmaxers doesn't change that.

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Awakened empires are bullshit, especially ones that subjugate you and then proceed to do literally nothing for 200 years
>other AI empires are edging towards a federation victory
>Shitty ass Mediators are too stronk for me to Break free from and are doing Nothing but keeping me on a leash

>>174572374
>watching people play games
>4X of all kinds
jesus

>>174572503
>not making a strong federation with the toughest allies in the galaxy
>not taking a bunch of planets near the fallen empire
>not gifting those worlds to your federation members
>not leaving the federation before war starts
>not reaping the rewards as the largest nations fight the fallen empire and everyone loses except you

>>174572543
Not an argument.

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Whats the point of vassals and tributaries if they are inevitably going to rebel 100% of the time because of the 'relative power' opinion malus?

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>cant be a robotic hive mind
>cant be a fanatic purifier hive mind
>cant be a psionic hive mind
>cant be a parasitic hive mind that infects pops you conquer
What were they thinking?

>>174572818
I have not gotten a vassal rebel, ever.

Course I integrate then neuter every vassal I get.

>>174572818
You need to build your whole empire around it if you want it to work

>>174572374
The sectors use the same ai as the other empires, which means that the sectors won't pull you down because the enemies are as equally shit. The difficulty doesn't even do anything except give the AI more resources and build times

>>174572610
I have given up on federations
Time after time the game puts me in a galaxy full of assholes who hate and never want to work with me for having the complete opposite Ethics to them
Like in This one, Literally every AI faction were Spiritualists of time Kind While I was Materialists

>>174572818
Why is he reading two books at the same time?

>>174572818
They don't always. Depends on how many you have. Also never bother with vassals. Tributaries are always better.

>>174572849
they weren't

>>174572984
AI literally cheats by having extra shit, though

>>174573047
Knawledge.

>>174573013
>Time after time the game puts me in a galaxy full of assholes who hate and never want to work with me for having the complete opposite Ethics to them
Xenophile + Charismatic

I have never been in the situation where I cant ally with a certain faction, unless its a fanatical purifier or polar opposite to me

The real problem with federations is going to war with them, they are great if you are always expanded to the point you dont want to fight anymore, but if you do want to expand you will never get a valid target and your fed will cockblock you.

>>174573047
He a wise nigga

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>>174573047
>>174572818
>tfw to intelligent too read one book at a time

>>174573092
And it's still not a good substitute for better ai if you can beat it easily with the handicap of secots

>>174572849
Same thing as always
"Would be a cool shit to add !"
And then they half-assed it

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*blocks your path*

>>174573047
>He can't read multiple books at the same time

What's it like to have a sub-80 IQ?

>>174573103
>>174573206
>>174573230
Not wanting to be racist or anything but the way he is dressed up, the fact he is black and him reading two books at the same time make him looks like someone dumb pretending to be intelligent.

>scourge and unbidden are being improved
>ai rebellion is getting redesigned later
hype?

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If you could make a perfect game, what would it be?

>>174573230
>reading multiple books one at a time, rotating as necessary

I feel as if a fallen empire Awakening to become a guardian of the Galaxy should not happen If you Destroy the Crisis before it even got a chance to get a foothold
Because I absolutely Stomped the Unbidden Literally as soon as they popped up and like 10 years later a Fallen empire Slowpoked to it as a reaction

>>174574568
ck2 in space

>>174574568
>tfw you might live long enough to see AI created perfect games

>>174572060
Hivemind events should be more of like a single character event. Instead of "building a zoo" it could be like, "Your personal collection is finished for you to forever admire." would be more aprpopiate for it.

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>>174572849
>>cant be a fanatic purifier hive mind

>>174572849
you can be a parasitic hivemind for the low price of 700000000 bazillion society points and two ascension perks. :^)

>>174574568

Warfare and ship design was just one of the many viable ways to win.

Diplomacy is as intricate and complex as any of the combat or research systems, with satisfying benefits for specializing without limiting the player's freedom in setting up alliances or declaring wars too much.

Each faction is different from each other and has a few unique features with sacrificing on the number of factions or making them all 'too different' like in the Endless games.

AI that is actually agreeable and logical. Can make deals, won't declare war on its only trading partner unless it has no other option. Competitive without using cheats.

And the most ridiculous and dream like claim of the all; Ground combat that isn't shit.

I know it will never happen, but it's ok to dream.

So I beat an awakened empire so hard it surrendered, I have never seen ai surrender before.
Thinking about bullying the awakened empire that was near him once I get my fleet to the new cap.

>>174574174
*Wormholes past*

>>174574568
Dwarf Fortress in space.

Holy shit i FINALLY finished my Dyson Sphere now i can at last move on to another game

Seriously what the fuck, Dyson Spheres take too fucking long and are stupidly expensive, you're better better building a million habitats with solar power generators.

The ringworld was better. It still takes too long considering you still have to colonize and build before it's producing anything, but the price is more reasonable.

Anyone who built the other 2 megastructures can tell if they're more useful?

>>174574679
AI can't create perfect games

>>174553959
yes absolutely
bug fixes and changes from incompetent devs will always assrape your saves

>>174574568
I want to know what happened to the female Horatios from endless space 1.

>>174553892
>game comes out of beta
>one year after release

sasuga

what galaxy mods do you use to add more stars? im looking for one that isnt fucked up in some way.
>Complete names list
>names arent fucked in all caps
>stars arent skewed towards the center of the galaxy
>minimum distance between stars isnt changed

>>174575680
par for the course with paradox games.
The real test now is whether they start to implement game ruining bloat without fixing the already present issues.