/dfg/ Dwarf Fortress General

I'm a new player be nice.
I normally embark with very low history, high beasts and high savagery and I try to embark on savannas and by oceans.
But what should I do if I want plenty of various wild creatures and visitors?

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>>174548620
you feel uneasy

>>174548854
>various wild creatures
Exotic embark biome.

>visitors
Longer history and bigger world.

At least play small world, medium history.

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>>174548863

hows this doc document better than rim world?

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>>174549497
Begone fagnut.

>>174549497
it's not, so go back to the rimworld community and stay there

>>174549571
That's actually a pretty cool encounter. I mean, you can't just run away from it like you usually can.

>>174549497
Rimworld felt uncomplete in my opinion, I played it for a day and when the last tech of the tree was done I felt like I had completed the game. There was nothing more to do in it, all the random shit had already spawned and now I was just dragging it out before leaving the planet.

>>174549343
Should I mess around with the number of civilizations too? What is a world with a high number of civilizations like?

>>174549571
speed 9.9/10?
did you take too much skooma?

Build me a fortress worthy of Mordor

>>174549860
I usually leave it at the default.

History and world size are more important.

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>>174549571
Well, you can if you run at the speed of light.

>>174549871
Something like that, yeah.

>>174549571
>>174549639
>>174549796

What tileset is the most complete?

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>>174550247
Tilesets are always complete, graphics sets are updated or unmaintained at this point, but I don't mess with them anymore so you'll need another poster to help ya there.

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>>174550569
Note that there is a reason why it has the crappy little edge oceans: it forces the elevation grid to plop the mountains in the middle together and cut them up with erosion/rivers/lakes instead of trying to spread them out more.

https://pastebin.com/AbSWiMND

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>>174550569
no

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>tfw

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>>174550961
...why the fuck would you think anyone but a piece of shit would be talking about that fuckbag?

>>174551326
>no tetrahedrite

magnetite is a fickle mistress

seldom it is where it will do most good

tetrahedrite is your loyal wife, it might not be flashy and hard and cutting, but when your chips are down you beffer believe that copper helm will stop that GCS from chomping your dorf's brain

praise tetrahedrite

>>174549879
Giant central tower with a lava moat in temperate badlands? Pretty easy actually.

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>>174551632

>Tetrahedrite fags

>>174551370

>You are allowed to talk about only 4chan memeunity accepted content

Sojuuus ne ruschimij respublika svobodi

>>174551929
>Not building everything out of green glass and kaolinite for max swag

>>174550569
> that single dwarf civ isolated in the mountain valley behind the lake in the bottom-center
comfy eternal dwarf realm because no boats

>>174550569
Got a download for that map, or worldgen stuff that can make it?

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guys help!

too much food!

funny how when you retire your fort all the foodstuff seems to disappear though

>>174552157
>you are allowed to talk about anything but seriously fuck that guy

>>174554198
Fuck, didn't even notice the little guy.

>>174553748
https://pastebin.com/AbSWiMND

>>174554213
Dump it to traders.

>>174551632
>not using your most loyal wife wood and stone to cage the GCS and wear sweet silk clothes instead

How crashy is that one tool that lets you see multiple Z levels? It seems super cool but I hear it causes problems.

>>174555306
Never used it, but I've heard that most problems are limited to adventure mode.

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>>174555471
>most problems are limited to adventure mode.
>I almost exclusively play adventure mode

fug

>tired of digging square fortress
>haha time for circles
>half an hour has passed and I haven't unpaused the game once
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>174556576
Now it's time you make a Hexagonal fortress.

It'll bee a hive of activity, I'm sure of it.

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>>174556576
>not going with romboids

so what happens when you retire a kobold adventure in your fort,do they retain all the equipment that you smith'd for em or do they dump em on the ground?

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>>174556576

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>>174559065
That's perfect.
Here's one from me, fresh from my previous game.

Did they fix that glitch where your items scatter in your adventure mode home?

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Who else here fell for the elf meme?

>want to improve my relationship with the elven traders for exotic animals and nice fruit
>spend all summer having my metalcrafter churn out little golden figurines depicting a dwarf and elf greeting each other near a willow tree
>wait all autumn and winter to trade and offer the figurines as gift
>spring comes
>they send... an ambush!
>probably angry about diplomats being killed or confined during the near constant goblin seiges
>manage to kill them all, but not before one of them strangles one of my new spear dwarf recruits to death

NEVER AGAIN
CURSE ALL FRIENDS OF NATURE

>>174559770
>planning any future that has elves in it
You reap what you sew my friend.

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>>174559770
>trusting DF elves
>ever

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>>174546148
>>174548145
>>174546641
whala, it is fish

>>174563162
Nice replies faggot

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>>174563314
I sea a lot of time and effort went into this. Good job.

>2017
>still no way to genocide an entire race
Magma mist showers when?

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>>174563336
where do (you)'s go when they die?

>>174559770
hated elves since day one.

>>174563838
>.gif

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Wasn't someone just the other day talking about how they bit a goblins tooth out?
It Just happened to me too

>>174550247
square

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>>174554553
>wood

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>>174565968

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>Large Grip of Virginity
>Fingers of Confidence

k

>>174566551
>that RNG

>>174563314
That seabitch could siege my fort any day (if you know what I mean).
Really, though, nice work.

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>channel out 6x6 frame above an aquifer
>drop the center chunk down into the water
>start carving my stairs down the center
>mfw the aquifer is 2 Z thick
Can I I recover from this or am I stuck attempting another cave in elsewhere with a larger natural plug?

What's the jap equivalent to Dwarf Fort?

>>174572396
A japanese man who can read english

>>174548620
Haven't touched this for a couple years now, because various things got too frustrating, namely UI, controls and hacks too buggy.
Have there been any improvements to those since then?

Fun game but too wimpy to get used to the ascii art, shit gets so confusing when you don't know what the majority of it represents and always feels obnoxious having to look it up etc. The art is a design choice and it's perfectly valid, the controls on the other hand felt completely arbitrary and made no sense. The problem there, similar to the art in that it's confusing and creates a lot of overhead in the learning curve but what really makes it annoying is that the design of the controls don't really feel like they contribute to anything unlike the art does, like it's made purely to be a pain in the ass to use.
Then comes the hacks to sooth those issues and of course they make the game unstable and buggy as all hell. Swear I'd use the most minimal setup and lightweight components and the game would still shit itself with memory leaks, random freezes and what not.

Oh well I digress, carry on my dorf bros

>>174572719
They controls are that way because they are being used to control systems that were implemented at different points over a long period of time. Like 15 years in fact.

And FPS death is representative of the heat death of the universe. Or so I tell myself.

>>174572396
Elite or Oolite

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>mfw you really can just sit out sieges if you wait long enough

had 50-something gobbos, trolls and beak dogs just get up and leave

what's the benefit of having an adventure turn into a vampire,I was planning to carry them into my fortress proper but I was looking for the were-curse ;_;

>>174575273
>you get to succ people
>no need to breathe
>no hunger
>night senses

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>>174575442
so I can bleed them dry they did toward my mayor

>>174572396
Elona

>>174571545
Are you even sure it's only 2z thick? If you weren't expecting the second I certainly wouldn't gamble on there not being 3 or more z to it. You should use a different method.

>>174577063
>tfw I'm a retard when it comes to aquifers and I always find some way to fuck it up
Thanks.

>>174556576
use macros, my guy. they're built right into the game, no external applications needed

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Macros_and_Keymaps

i typically make a few circle macros and a 3x3 bedroom w/ doorway macro, and some workshop layout macros as well

the trick of course is not letting your macros control you instead of you controlling your macros

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>>174578551
also have you seen this? useful

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>>174573592
>FPS death

>>174579821
>human endeavors

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how do you into library's like an elf

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Who DF tattoo here?

>>174580536
Elves never run their own libraries.

They only utilise the ones built by superior races.

Oh lord

>>174580536
>>174580694
tree niggers btfo

>>174580536
Climb a tree, read the leaves, then jump out.

>>174580612
kys degenerate

i bet you make aboveground fortresses and approve elven, goblin and human petitions

>Write book on woodcutting
>sell to elves

is it possible?

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>>174581348

>>174580978
is it still degenerate to make above ground fortresses if you're playing humans?

>>174581348
can you choose what your dwarf's write with a manager?

>>174581742
Not gonna lie this book scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. Turning a page to one of the illustrations was like a jump scare to me. My older brother had it and I never touched it.

>>174582046
I would imagine the dwarves would write about things they know about so if you trained your record keeper to woodcut then made him craft the book he might eventually right one?

Do scars make dwarves be less useful in combat or something? I'm having legendary level dwarves die because they're missing shots that they probably shouldn't have.

>>174550238
It's like a might and magic map

>>174579023
At what point do you risk cave-ins?

>>174584667
When you have a section of rock completely unsupported.
Regular cave-ins haven't happened since the move to 3D. You can hold up a mountain with a single wooden support.

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wat to do wit dis

>>174585959
if you don't need the extra meat you can "O"ffer them to a trade caravan when they arrive next season

in farmer workshop if i put :

>Milk Animal R
>Shear Animal R

Will it repeat only the milk task or will it repeat both one after the other one.?

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>>174586195
don't you like leather?
>>174572396
Tengen toppa, or that titan's anime show.

>just generated a world that somehow ended up with a kobold town
How? What? Why? What will happen if I visit in adventure mode?

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well this is a first here my scribe was just creating a book when she claimed the queenship of the mountains,should I be afraid ;_;

>>174586474
Sadly, the relevance of that isn't coming until (probably) the start scenarios update.

>>174563314
It's "Voila". Dirty french word.

That big mouth eel is mental.

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>>174581742
>>174582251
The stories themselves were usually pretty tame or even funny, but those illustrations...genuinely a look into hell. My local school's library banned them.

>>174583879
Are they unfocused?

>>174586226
it will milk, then shear, then milk again, ad infinitum until they run out of animals.

>>174587463
noice

Why was 2D df harder than 3D df?

>>174587618
Less Ds.

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>tfw buzzards terrorize your hamlet but you haven't made any crossbows yet and don't have any bones for bolts

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>>174580902
even better when you murder an elf author with their own texts

>try to break through an aquifer by dropping a chunk of ice onto it while the lake is frozen
>the spray refreezes the fallen chunk of ice back at lake level
>the part that landed in the water just melts
thanks Obama

>>174587949
>getting beaten to death by your own shitty autobiography

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This might not be that impressive to you guys who've been here far longer then I have...

But I just claimed a Dark Fortress in Adventure Mode! Truly, a FUN journey!

>>174589083
Good job, M'lady

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>>174587174
>>174569986
Thanks guys.

confound Franco words.

>>174588286
>tfw the lake thaws and now my water wheel doesn't work
wew, at least I have a project for the next winter

>>174589083
Cool!
tfw to stupid for adventure mode

>>174590812
*too I meant sorry

>>174590812
tfw to stupid for Fortress mode, so you play Adventure mode.

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Quickest way make a miasma chamber? A certain craftsdwarf needs to be gassed.

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First time ive embarked on a cliff

>>174591880
I can understand the people who don't like the ascii and can't play df at all because it doesn't have modern graphics.

But goddamn that makes my dick so hard.

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Begone page 10!

>>174591880
Ah fuck it, I'm gonna get the multiple-z-level mod
Unrelated:
Why can't I pray to my god in adventurer mode? when I try to talk, the only options I have are to begin shouting and to do a performance.

>>174595074
pretty sure if you're for example an elf and worship nature or the forest or something, you can't speak with it like a deity.

>>174549796
Next update is going to really make the game more interesting by adding in quests on the world map with randomly generated assets and map pieces. Maybe it's a big pile of weapons with a horde of wild animals? Perhaps you're saving some colonists trapped behind a line of abandoned but functional turrets? At least, that's what they are promising. I feel like the game is surviving on the mod community like Skyrim did, though the simple graphics make it much easier to mod.

>>174574007

They leave at the end of the season

But they cut you off from the outside, prevent diplomats and visitors from leaving causing sour relations, and, if it is trading season, will stop the traders coming.

It is in your best interest to try and engage them, kill a few, and possibly rout them.

You just need some clever traps and siege engines.

>>174586439
I think that just means that a band of kobold bandits settled in a ruined town. Or conquered it.

>>174588286
That sounds hilarious. It's too bad you don't have a recording or something.

>>174589083
Claiming is easy. Controlling is more difficult. Or so I would presume, I've never actually tried it.

how do I make the best brewery in my realm?

>>174596132

acquire sun berries

>>174596025
What's the best program to record DF with?

using tiletypes is there a command to paint rough hewn walls?

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>>174596025
>Controlling is more difficult.

LET THEM COME!

>>174595296
Ah, k. How do I satisfy the "Pray to deity"-need then?

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>>174599410

>>174599410
>>174599683
Beautiful.

>>174591880
What mod or plugin are you using for multi z level rendering.

>>174601069
There is only one: TWBT

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first village
"The hyra Dickskin is in Nickelback in the ShittyJungle"
"Where is Nickelback?"
"It's inaccessible from here"

second village
"Killing the Forest Titan Smoke Of Weed is in the broke brokeback mountain"
"Where is it?"
"I don't know and I dont know anyone who could tell you"

in capital city with 300 people
"The greate dragon AdolfHitler is plaguing our people. He killed 6 million in his lust for murder"
"Where is he?"
"Oh, RandomDude is well traveled. Ask him. He is somewhere in this city"

>>174580527
That's how you spell it

>>174591880
That's not a cliff. That's a gently sloping hill.

>>174598281
My guess would be that you don't.

>>174601059
Made me laugh out loud.

>>174587618
Fortress planning was more than a cosmetic thing. Dwarves couldn't just travel a few tiles to get all their work done. The map restricted your defensive options (outside of gimmicky stuff like magma cannons). It was harder to train up good soldiers. You were guaranteed a cave river, chasm, and magma river, all of which were difficult to utilize without exposing the middle of your fort to danger. Random floods. Cave ins restricting room size. Farming was less productive by a lot. More nobles to support, many of which did no work at all.

I think that about covers it.

>>174596025
>Or conquered it.
I don't believe you.

>>174602064
>"The greate dragon AdolfHitler is plaguing our people. He killed 6 million in his lust for murder"
Oy vey, what a HFS

>>174605749
Oh, there was also the economy. Dwarves eventually needed to pay for things so you couldn't just give them all awesome stuff to keep them distracted from their rotting relatives. But IIRC it was easy to short circuit by just never minting any coins.

>>174606215
I can't wait for the return of economy. I want my dwarves to earn the nice houses I make, not just get them by being there first.

>>174606345
Same. I want more nobles too. Made the city feel more real. I think we're literally the only ones that want that, though.

Personally I try to emulate it by making better or worse rooms depending on how I perceive the comparative value of the dwarf in question.

>>174606484
I really can't be bothered assigning bedrooms outside of a few cases like someone making an artifact or killing something impressive.

Defs more nobles. I guess the positions defined at locations sort of fill that niche now.

>>174601164
Oh, is it already included in dfhack?

>>174606803
Not the same guy, but I think you have to set the display method from 2D to TWBT and then use Rendermax in dfhack.

Never tried it though.

>>174602064
>inaccessible from here
Just means that you'll have to pass a mountain range or body of water to reach it. It still gets marked on your map.

>I don't know
Just ask someone else.

>Ask RandomDude
So find him and ask him.

What's the problem?

>>174555471
It always crashes in adventure mode, it crashes a lot in fort mode, it's the source of by far the vast majority of all df crashes.

>guy riding bike
>guy takes out stick labeled "TWBT"
>jams it in wheel
>wipes out
>blames Toady

>>174607217
>>Ask RandomDude
>So find him and ask him.
In a city of 1000 that moves at 3 FPS?

>>174606880
I have tried looking at the github page and dfhack's documentation but I can't figure out how to install and use the plugin.

>>174607624
You're on your own then lad. I got no idea.

>>174607624
Try the twbt thread on the forum and search for readme files

>>174553526
>not making all your mugs out of rock salt
I bet you dont even salt your water to preserve it, open.

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>>174607532
Towns of 10,000 don't move that slow, you've got a library with goblin scholars somewhere.

Set [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ACCEPTED] because it's just stupid and annoying in adventurer mode, that one change cuts like 90% of the worst lag.

>>174608367
Are they constantly checking whether they want to kill everyone in the city or something?

>>174608971
Literally that and trying to kill everything and everyone fighting because they're all being retarded assholes because that ethic literally translates as "be a retarded asshole and get murdered everywhere" instead of "it's ok to be a brutal asshole but you don't HAVE to do so" like accepted makes it.

>>174609085
So this is why I'd get "ambushed" by two or three goblins with shitty gear who'd immediately get swarmed and beg for mercy?

>>174609303
I think that's just local banditry.

>>174608367
when the next patch drops and I start playing properly again, imma need you to post all those cool raw changes like that so I can have even more fun.

>>174605749
>Fortress planning was more than a cosmetic thing
It still is.
>Dwarves couldn't just travel a few tiles to get all their work done.
You have to design your fort in a very specific way for that to be the case.
>Map restricted your defensive options.
Still does. The most effective defensive strategy now was also the most effective defensive strategy then.
>harder to train up good soldiers
It wasn't. You just had to use training weapons, which was a trivial limitation.
>...all of which were difficult to utilize without exposing...
Walls and bridges were as perfectly effective then as they are now. The chasm was kind of hard to incorporate into your fort, but there wasn't any use for it anyway except garbage disposal. The river and magma were easier than the equivalent features in 3d.
>Caveins restricted room size
Having to leave support every 15 or so tiles is hardly a restriction. Most people who post structures that big do it anyway just for aesthetics.
>Random floods.
They weren't random. They happened at the same time and place annually.
>Farming was less productive
It wasn't. Underground plants had the same yields they do now. You had to irrigate annually, which was easy after the first time. Especially if you used the annual flood to do it.
>More nobles
I'll give you that one.

DF has always been easy. This "remember when DF was hard" meme is just romanticism. We were all new once, and the game looked harder to us then. But fact is, the hardest things in DF now are way harder than the hardest things that existed before they were implemented. i.e. demons, angels, FBs and titans are all more potentially dangerous than anything 2d could throw at you. And while the biggest noob issue then was getting dirt wet once a year, now it's having your fort explode into a cascading werebeast massacre, or actually catastrophic floods. Of course if you're good at DF all that is trivial, just like the supposed difficulty of 2d was trivial if you were good then.

>>174609875
And an autistic "NOTHING CAN EVER GO WRONG" defender has already shown up.

>>174610030
what

>>174609875
I hate every single post you make, mate.

Either you are really full of yourself or just autistic.

>>174609875
Ignoring the rest for the stuff that is outright 100% demonstrably wrong.

>You just had to use training weapons, which was a trivial limitation.
2d didn't have training weapons.

>Walls and bridges were as perfectly effective then as they are now.
You couldn't wall off the bridges the way you could now. I don't think there was even a construction menu like we have now.

>Having to leave support every 15 or so tiles is hardly a restriction.
10.

>They weren't random. They happened at the same time and place annually.
Semi random.

>It wasn't. Underground plants had the same yields they do now.
More seasonal restrictions.

>Especially if you used the annual flood to do it.
Easy way to get a bunch of dwarfs killed.

DF was harder in 2d, albeit the difference is less now than it was immediately after the shift to 3d when you could farm whatever in any season and the cavern update and medical stuff hadn't happened. Hopefully these are signs that Toady is going to continue add more challenges because the initial 3d update was pretty damn boring. It took a long time to get to where we are now.

Now shut up about stuff you didn't play.

>>174609875
Go away Threetoe no one likes you

>>174609875
>Walls and bridges were as perfectly effective then as they are now.
Except you couldn't construct walls.
>Having to leave support every 15 or so tiles
It was six tiles.
>anything 2d could throw at you
Originally, if you mined any adamantine, it would start a doom counter and after a while the game would just END, with a note that you dug too greedily and too deep.

>>174611002
>It was six tiles.
Fuck you're right. I thought 10x10 was the maximum for some reason.

>>174611097
An 11x11 needed one tile in the middle.

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It's report time from the Toad, guys:

>04/20/2017 Toady One
>It was a hectic-not-DF-wise week with city trips and family visitors, so there's not much to report. Continuing to handle fort expedition problems, and started a bit on the random promises list, with some XML additions as well as making the next release a little easier on utility makers in terms of finding global variable addresses. There are still four unresolved expedition issues, but then hopefully we can get started on fort artifact diplomacy!

>Chris Bratt of Eurogamer made a video regarding the cat tavern bug. That page also includes the longer audio interview. Dan Pearson of Eurogamer (who interviewed me last year) also posted a DF article.

Not much this week boys, some help towards modders and technical stuff
But he seems to say he has finished quests outside the fort, so he's heading to in-fort diplomacy

How much is there to do anyway?

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>>174611994
Sounds like the last major thing he's trying to accomplish here. Possible wrap up in 2-3 weeks and straght road to the release.

>>174609875
>>174610030
>>174610250
>>174610410
>>174610860
>>174611002
How will he ever recover?

>>174610410
>2d didn't have training weapons
Ok, wooden weapons. That's splitting hairs. Avoiding sparring injuries was really easy, and strong soldiers were even more OP then than they are now thanks to uncapped attrubutes.

>bridges
Bridges formed an impassable barrier then as well.

>more seasonal restrictions
There weren't.

>Easy way to get dwarves killed.
Irrigating now is an easy way to get dwarves killed if you're bad. Same as it ever was.

>>174611002
Didn't say constructed walls. You don't have to dig out every single wall between you and whatever you want to keep out of your fort.
The adamantine mining end was just an arbitrary game over screen, that's not the same thing as difficulty. You could avoid it indefinitely by not mining adamantine.

>>174612542
>Ok, wooden weapons.
Anon...

>>174612542
>Damn, I'm stuck in this hole. I better dig deeper to get out.

No wooden weapons. Bridges were only impassable if raised up, like now. But relying on that meant living in a single layer or being content to periodically cut your fort in two. Interesting strategic compromises, in my DF?! And you're just flat out wrong about the crops, dude. Still haven't addressed the economy, the lack of pressure plates, less trap variety, greater wood scarcity....etc. Of course there were things to offset some of this. Cheesy stuff like killing all nobles just like now, or some things we don't have now, like the magma gun or just not minting coins to avoid the economy. And crossbows were basically uzis back then. But it still adds up to being more difficult than the game is now.

>Irrigating now is an easy way to get dwarves killed if you're bad. Same as it ever was.
>It's not an easy game guys, I'm just awesome at it
kek
2d DF had INFINITE flooding. That's almost impossible to do now, especially by accident.

I really want 2D cave ins back.

>>174613278
I want cave-ins to be based on material properties and difficult to predict.

>embark
>it's raining elven blood
>savage area
>river
>trees
>FOUR magma pools in 3x3 area
>shitload of goblins nearby
>tower in range
At last, time for fun.

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>>174613278
I cant wait for Economy to come back, I want to mint coins and have my dwarves use them in trade between each other.
Considering we already have Inns, Temples and Libraries, hope he lets us assign a Market zone where people can open shops and trade between each other, and visiting merchants and stuff...

>>174611994
The xml thing will be for dfhack.

>>174613748
Does it have metal and flux?

So what's your DF wishlist?

Mine:
>mounts for dwarves
>implement wagons as something usable for your fortress
>BOATS
>fuel powered minecart trains
>MULTIPLE TILE MINECARTS, like wagons but on tracks
>multiple tile beasts if they're above a certain size

Basically I just want more BIG things that actually look big on-screen. Also, I think more things should span z - levels - raising a bridge underground should require you to dig out the area above it, mounted people + wagons should take up 2-3 z levels depending on the size of the mount, etc

Also
> the glorious return of the economy
>more challenging stress system so that unhappy dwarves create a risk of becoming rioters/revolutionaries
>creatures that are also capable of mining / destroying tiles so that you can't just wall yourself in a dirt hole with some wood and a farm plot and be ok (like a giant underground worm beast) and stronger materials take longer for him to mine through, giving you incentive to build STRONG fortifications

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>>174614289
>tfw no sand

>>174614724
Guns

>>174614724
>mounts

wtf? dwarves dont mount.

>>174615068
That's right, they reproduce through spores.

>>174614724
>R O M A N C E A R C
>Adding enough stuff to towns that you could get a full adventure mode playthrough out of just staying in one.
>roaming armies and monsters
>caravans

>>174613032
>wooden weapons
Elves, or crossbows for an early hammer squad.

>only impassable when raised
Well no shit.

>wrong about crops
I'm not. I just checked the wiki to be sure. The growing seasons were the same for every crop.

>Still haven't addressed
I wasn't responding to a post that brought up any of that, but ok.
>economy
Sure, it was a broken pain in the ass, but it could be worked around or ignored entirely. It was removed for a reason.

>pressure plates
2d had pressure plates.

>trap variety
Upright spikes are the only trap type that wasn't present then, and it requires dwarf power or engineered automation and proper timing. All of the set it and forget traps were in 2d.

>wood scarcity
Sure, there was that. Easy magma access at literally every site was a thing, though.

>infinite flooding
It's easy to get that accidentally now. Any aquifer, river, brook, stream can do it. The unending flood is the classic "how I lost my 3rd fort" story, it's practically a meme at this point.

>>174615762
>Elves, or crossbows for an early hammer squad.
Wrong again. Just give up. You couldn't buy wooden weapons from elves in 2d, or use training weapons.

>>174615762
>I'm not. I just checked the wiki to be sure. The growing seasons were the same for every crop.
Wiki's wrong then. Nothing grew in winter in 2d DF.

>>174616035
Uh, yeah. Farms destroyed themselves in winter. I forgot about that. Winter was technically a valid growing month for plumps and dimples, there just weren't farms for them to grow in.

>>174614782
what command?

>>174617109
Easy to forget about stuff you never played.

>>174617229
prospect

I have over 200 units of vampire blood in my inventory in adventure mode.
What should I do with it?

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>>174617445
Dump it in the wells of the largest towns you can find.

>>174617279
Sorry it burns your ass so much that I pointed at your nostalgia goggles.

>>174617483
I would if people would actually drink from it, but as far as I know they don't.
Maybe I could bring it to my fort and dump it in a well.
Isn't there some way to force people to drink by handing them goblets?

>>174617597
Almost everything you said was wrong and you got called on it by multiple people. I think you're the ass blasted one.

>>174617445
Welp I ran out of disk space and I think I lost the save. Lol.

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>>174615295
lol

>>174615068
if you mod the game (just slightly) to allow dwarven sieges, dwarves will attack you as cavalry.

keep in mind by "mod" i don't mean "making dwarves have mounts" i mean "letting dwarves siege you" and part of the siege is the cavalry

>>174614724
From devlist and eternal suggestions:
>Adventure role Treasure Hunter (finding ruins etc)
>Adventurer Role: Explorer
>Improved Farming
>Improved Mechanics
>making the menus more consistent, adding graphs to the stocks screen, improving a few other screens
Having a dynamically simulated world economy would also be very nice.

Not on dev list or not planned as far as I know:
>improved worldgen (plate tectonics, better mountains)
>longer history simulating the rise and fall of several civilizations (doesn't matter if it's more abstract) - see also above: "finding ruins"
Basically, instead of
>Myth generation>world generation>500 years history
Something like:
>Myth generation>better world gen>100 000 years abstract history with less detail> 500 years history

Conversely, I really don't care about Boats, magic, astral planes, and actively going to war (i.e. invading other sites).
Although the boats and war have very important implications that I do care about: economy and diplomacy - more contact with the world.


In short, I want to do more independent (without quest) exploring in Adventure mode, and more engineering in fortress mode - all in the frame of a very active world.

>>174617771
>Almost everything you said was wrong
I wasn't. I was wrong on a couple of points that are mostly immaterial to the point I was making. You were wrong about some things too, but I'm generously assuming that ~8 years is a significant enough proportion of your life to have muddied some of the details instead of assuming that you're lying about having played it.

>>174618363
How many times per week do you masturbate thinking about Toady, Threetoe?

>>174615295
Spore reproduction was changed 2+ years ago. Same update that added gelding, I think.

>>174619557
What a sad life must it be to be born with no sense of humor...
Go eat your plumps Urist.

>>174620036
I had one once, but it was severed and flew off in arc. They're making me a prosthetic.

boomba

>start new fortress
>embark site has a volcano, visible marble, visible magnetite, sand, plenty of water, visible kimberlite, plenty of magma safe stones and access to all civilizations

okay, now I'm scared, something is going to go terribly wrong

>>174625958
Keep us informed.

Does anyone else think the swaying grass effect added by the Obsidian graphics pack is just the coolest thing? I know its not really important or anything but I just love the extra bit of atmosphere it gives to the world.

>>174626658
pretty interesting location, large part is desert, but its entirely snowed under, same as the grasslands
there's a fairly massive mountain in the middle of the otherwise perfectly flat lands which goes up with the steepest possible slopes everywhere, but the volcano itself is not located on the mountain but rather in the middle of the flat snowy desert so at the very least I won't have to worry about accidental magma floods

no sign of critters yet so at least I'm not losing all my dwarves to lions

gonna build the entire fort in the mountain, seems the most appropriate

>>174627421
Godspeed, Anon.

post chaotic, unplanned, and crowded forts

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>>174611994
>It was a hectic-not-DF-wise week with city trips and family visitors, so there's not much to report

>>174629516
das a frog dawg

>>174627853
okay, this run is going to be cursed guaranteed, inspected mountain more, found rock crystals, dug down, hit native aluminum, carved a hallway, hit god damned emerald

there is absolutely no way something horrifying isn't waiting here

Can I have a strong build without adamantine armour from a retired fort? I wanna have an OP character but fortress mode bores me to death.

>>174632518
>start a demigod
>play a very large animal man
>knock down statues in temples to get cursed with superpowers
>mod the game to make an adventurer species out of solid diamond
>mod the game to make an adventurer species out of solid slade

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A couple of dwarves of my just had a fun Misc. Object fight with a human tavern guest recently

>Stonecrafter gets shot right in hte head by a visiting Lord Consort
>Understandably fights back, only has a -gold scepter- on hand
>a Suturer and a Planter join in
>11 pages of scepter strikes later, and the planter explodes the Lord Consorts head using a stack of 500 electrum coins
>all taken to hospital after, Stonecrafter becomes attached to the -gold scepter-

Anyone ever had a dwarf name a Misc. Object they used as a weapon before?

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>>174611994
>random promises

what's this? maybe we'll finally be able to dig in adventure mode?

>>174632052
You found aluminium? I've never even seen that in game goddamn.

Want to hear a joke

SHOVELS

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tfw no primordial dew

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>>174634704
>shovels
Oh man, what will those primitive humans come up with next?

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>>174615609
romance is planned just not yet

>>174635152
>bloat 380

w-what did he mean by this?

>>174635246
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Consolidated_development

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playable peasant's when toady I want to carve out a hamlet out in the middle of the desert that can till & sustain itself by plow & hook

>>174633554
I once had a moody dwarf go berserk, pick up a table, and crush a child before fort guards took him down.
Damn "I need fucking shells" in the middle of the desert mood.

>>174635496
That sounds so good, I cant wait! I want all of that!
Its gonna be like UnReal World, just set in a 100x better world.

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>>174635356
ooooh arigato anon-kun

>>174607532
You can ask someone where he is. Usually, hell be in the keep or mead hall.

>>174635496

>You will be able to wipe out nightcreatures, become a musician, have statues of you made, write books, then found a town and live through history as a legend

BUT

>You won't be able to start up world gen again to see how your town survives

Is there a way to specify what item I want to be encrusted with gems? I checked the wiki but it didn't say anything about that

>>174637401
Whining about about no going-back-into-worldgen is childish.

Toady has explained very clearly why it's impossible. Worldgen simply uses a completely different level of abstraction than any other game mode. Once you start playing in a world, it becomes too complex to send back into worldgen.

>>174637770

AKA it's possible but toady the godly programmer never planned it for it so it would require a rewrite

>>174637401
>>174637770
>>174637830
Didn't he already implement calendar progressing when he did the "Activate the World" update?
All he needs to do is give us the control over how long we want to simulate the world (in main menu and adventure mode) instead of the two weeks it does now.
Would be 100x slower than normal worldgen ofc, but still faster than progressing it by overseeing a fortress.

>>174637593
The only way I know of is with linked stockpiles or restricting access via locked doors or burrows or forbidding (and I don't generally use burrows so I'm not sure if they work).

>>174638664
Some of the worldgen exclusive events wouldn't happen, but otherwise it's perfectly valid.
You can already control the length of calendar progressing with DFHack.

How good is silver as a war hammer material? Just got an artifact one.

>>174639571
You lucky son of a goblin, that is really really good. Only thing better might be an artifact platinum hammer.

>>174639571
As far as the more common metals goes, it's the best. An artifact one too, I only get dog leather clothes

>>174639571

Its pretty good

best none artifact material

you kinda bonged out there, you should have hoped for a slade or platinum hammer

>>174639692
>>174639813
>>174639818
So I lucked out? Thanks guys, I'll throw it on my hammerlord guard captain ASAP

>>174639818
You can't mine slade in unmodded dwarf fortress though, not without some really tricky stair building in hell.

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Guys

Just imagine this...Slade Warhammer reinforced with platinum

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>>174635152
>Interspecies relationships
I'm kinda curious what the limits here are. For scientific purposes.

Does it only extend to the 5 main races? Or can you also marry beastmen? And if so does that also extend to any other sentient creature?

>>174640238
You're a maddwarf, Urist!

Starting to wonder if I've got this bug, and should I even bother fixing it:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=159297.0

Its been 10 years+ since I last saw a trade caravan, they just stopped comming.
And before that I had 3 a year every year, dwarven, elven and human.

>>174640267

>Furries rabble rouse until you can marry Tigermen

>>174640414
Trade caravans are for the weak anyway

>>174640734
Didn't really need them past 10 years, so I probably wont bother with the fix, too lazy.
Occasionally send out two squads out to slaughter wild-life for meat, and getting steady influx of goblinite every 1-2 years.
28 years in, still going strong. Hope those bugged fuckers arent eating my fps, I'm somehow still hovering around ~50-60fps.

>>174640267
Even if it's not in the base game, you can bet everything you have that mods will be up in microseconds.

>>174640138
Also couldn't be selected as base for a smith mood even if you could, on account of it being a stone.

Is there a tutorial for this game? Shit's complex as fuck

>>174642003
Have you read the OP?

>>174640267
>>174641582
>tfw I will be able to play a dainty kobold waifu and get literally torn in half by big minotaur cock

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>>174640267

>>174642068
The what

Is it possible to effectively play as kobolds in fort mode or will I be locked out of a bunch of shit without extensive raw editing?

>>174640482
>tigermen
Plebs. I'm gonna fuck thripsmen.

Are the Tavernkeeper/Performer/Scholar full time jobs?

>>174644092
Pussy. I'm gonna stick it in a magma forge.

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>>174643604
yeah you should be golden provided you stay alive long enough to integrate into the fortress proper,may take a few weeks though in order for you to issue orders & draft into the military or library

>>174645461
>integrate into the fortress proper
I think you misunderstand me. I'm talking about playing fort mode with a kobold embark, not taking kobold citizens into an existing fort.

>>174644092
I want to cuddle cute jumping spider men

So how do I go about making an adventure hero fort, or at the least, just adding my adventurer to a fort; retire him in a retired fortress?

>>174645875
Yeah pretty much, just build your fort in fort mode, retire it, send your adventurer there, retire them, and then unretire your fort. They'll be a fully integrated citizen, you can even employ them in your military.

>>174645745
you have to mod the playable kobold faction so that it has all functions of a normal faction.

you must add nobles for all different responsibilities, for example.

>>174640238
It doesn't actually do shit. Slade is so fucking heavy that the weight means that it swings extremely slow and doesn't crush shit.
t. did some tests in arena with dfhack

>>174646246
I assumed you would have to do that since you have to even with the humans, but I wasn't sure if there were any restrictions on their reactions that prevented them from building forges and shit.

>>174646361
Dark Souls lied to me about weapon physics.

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>>174649513
dwarf skiing when?

>>174646361
If you really tested it in the arena then your tests were flawed in some way. The combat formulae are known, and increasing weapon weight only increases attack momentum. The time it takes to make an attack is defined in the raws by weapon and doesn't check material at all. The only thing it can slow down is the wielder's movement speed.

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Any way I can change the colour of the responses from blue to something else?

I'm using f.lux and I can't see shit.

>>174650302
Turn off flux

>>174651237
But then my eyes are gonna get hurt

>>174642694
>It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass!

>>174640238
>reinforced with platinum
Considering the cost and availability of the materials, that would be like "reinforcing" Mjölnir by wrapping some duct tape around the handle.

>>174646557
No, you're thinking of Kobold Kamp, which was a mod that was designed to make the game harder. None of those limitations are in the vanilla version of the game.

>>174653730
>Kobold Kamp
What? I was thinking about how dwarves can't craft bows or two handed swords.

Thanks for clearing that up though, now I know what I'm going to do after my human fort eventually falls.

>>174652249
You wrote the message wrong

>>174640238
How about a slade warhammer reinforced with slade

>>174653730
Kobold camp*

>>174655879
Kobold Camp**

>>174655528
I kinda thought I might have. What's it really say?

>>174652651
But its really cool duct tape

>>174656279
I don't remember, but I can tell you it's not that.

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>>174656307

>>174649513
fantastic

/dfg/ is full of anger. We've been compromised.

Is there a changelog avaliable?
Left the game somewhere during 40.24, then read news about how taverns and LIBRARIES WITH FUNCTIONAL BOOKS were going to be implemented, then more and more stuff so I just kept skipping versions.
For what I'm reading magic is already implemented (?), but what about the personality overhaul and immigration changes, were they "fixed"?

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>>174660195

>>174659961
You haven't even begun to witness compromise

>>174660261
Thanks mate.

>>174653730
>>174654594
No, the first guy was right. The game doesn't operate on restrictions, but allowances. The ability to do just about anything has to be explicitly defined in the entity raws. The items they can make, workshops they can build, professions they can have, materials they can use, and reactions they know are all set forth in entity_default. If you were to just add the tag to make them playable in fort mode you wouldn't even be able to chop down a tree.

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>>174660593
>If you were to just add the tag to make them playable in fort mode you wouldn't even be able to chop down a tree.
Exactly the kind of answer I was looking for, thank you.
>mfw I don't know if a cute fort full of happy little kobolds would be worth fucking with the raws to that degree

>>174660195
magic isn't until the update after the current one get's released anon

>>174661878
It's not that hard to suss out. Look at the dwarf and kobold entities side by side, copypaste as necessary. The wiki has really good documentation on entity tokens, so you can look things up that you're unsure about. Even going in with no raw modding knowledge you'll probably have an acceptably fort modeable kobold entity inside an hour.

>>174662982
Alright, I guess it can't be that bad. I'll make an attempt when my human fort fails.

>>174661878
Raw editing can be fun, anon. I for one play vanilla mostly but I have another modded df in a separate folder. I've added a few races and several weapons but, every now and then I'll Crack open the modded toys raw and one or two toys to the list. There's nothing quite as satisfying as throwing a lead die through the skull of an enemy.

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>>174638664
>>174638848

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>>174665684
You can also use:

gui/gm-editor scr

While the calendar is active.

Alright Anons. I'm dividing my die raw into 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 20 sided variations and replacing the boardgame one with more specific titles. I need dwarfy boardgame titles, bonus points if they're puns on real life boardgames

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>>174667309
Is he crying?

>>174667121
Eat shit faggot

>>174667849
I remember when I was 12.
>shitslinging on one of the of the most obscure generals on 4chan
Here's your (you).

>>174668153
Dude that was just a boardgame title suggestion

Also


>obscure
Yeah right

>>174667589
I like to think all of ninedots art subjects are crying all the time.

>everything is so confusing and fascinatingly bleak yet inviting
>it is terrifying

>>174669424
ikr

>>174667121
Like, uh, Stonopoly? Hungry Hungry Crundles? Cattrap?

>>174668256
Is there a general on /po/ I don't know about?

>>174667121
Engravetionary

>>174669885
There's a bunch in /jp/ I'm sure you don't know about

And in this board too, we ain't the most obscure general

>>174667121
Mr. Bucket

>>174667121
Distraction Urist

>>174670117
this. I doubt that the average normie has even heard of the games in the rougelike general's "what to play" pastebin, while most normies I've run into have heard of dwarf fortress as the game with no graphics and is hard to play.

Hell, I think /ss13g/ is more obscure than /dfg/.

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So my mountainlake generating worldgen (https://pastebin.com/AbSWiMND) can apparently be manipulated with river numbers.

Doing 800/400 (I think) gives a world like this one: >>174666718 while 800/800 gives this one: >>174550238 and various combos like 25/400 give totally different shit.

Should i give shields/buckers to my archers?

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>>174671095
Thanks Urists

>>174672303
Yeah.

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>>174671584
Overheard a neckbeard at a italian restaurant few weeks ago bragging about dwarf fort abilities.

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>>174673662
Did you tell him you've had //THE// timbukdrew do a request for you, kick over their table, do a 360, and walk away?