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NERBELWERFLERS

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>>174478014
first for nerf allies

/wgg/ Men of War and SD discord
https://discord.gg/watM75d

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Why are Allied tanks so OP?

the king tiger will solve the jumbo problem

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Made some OC. Rangers are OP.
https://youtu.be/l_RoLSSRe5Y

Why is it so hard to shoot down aircraft

I had 3 Whirbelwinds shooting at a fucking scout airplane from right under it and it only pulled back

first

>>174478276
>Why is it so hard to shoot down aircraft
AA is there to stun and deny enemy planes areas
fighters are for shooting down planes

>>174478189
the final solution to the allied question

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Critique my new deck lads - its won me three games in a row now.

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>>174478190
wow, great OC friend

>>174478570
Thanks.

>>174478276
Hitting planes is generally pretty hard when you have no computer to help you.

>>174478549
>jeep .50
for what purpose
for the price of 2 you can get a M16 which is what was literally nicknamed the "krautmower" "chopper" "meat grinder"

>>174478549
>taking the M4A1
Take another card of Stuarts instead

>>174478720
Why tho? The M4A1 has slaughtered many krauts for me

They should bring back the explosion effects and tracers/trails from Wargame

>>174478771
you can sacrifice M5s due to having a lot of them and you can use them to probe
Plus, AT in phase A will fuck up the Sherman just as much as the Stuart

M4A1 loses a lot of it's value a lot faster

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These bombs look funny

>>174478549
I like recon + MG jeep over scouts, the P-38 bomber is pretty good, and as the other anon said the jeep .50 is pretty pointless when you can have M16s. also, unless you're running out of ammo often in phase A, might be good to bump the GMCs up to B for the extra 2 trucks.

other than that, if it's working for you then it's fine m8

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I will complete this campaign faster than anyone on /wgg/ ever has!

Could M4A3's really take out Panthers IRL?

>>174479842

the 76s could at long ranges while the 75 you needed to be <100m or so to get a chance at penetrating.

>>174479842
if we are talking about 76mms yes, frontally through the manlet from <1000m but the manlet is a small target plus cannon accuracy makes it very hard

if this game got the M36 any of the big cats wouldn't be a problem

>The M36 was well-liked by its crews, being one of the few armored fighting vehicles available to US forces that could destroy heavy German tanks from a distance. Corporal Anthony Pinto of the 1st Platoon, Company A, 814th Tank Destroyer Battalion knocked out a Panther at 4,200 yards. Another 814th gunner, Lt. Alfred Rose, scored a kill against a Panther at 4,600 yards, the maximum range of the telescopic sight. However, the Panther's glacis plate could deflect certain shots from the 90 mm gun at just 150 yards, and the front armor of the Tiger II could not be penetrated at all.

>>174480224
>the M36 first served in combat in Europe in October 1944

oops

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>>174480823
really grinds my final drives

>tfw no TD support for 3rd Armored

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>teammate starts bombing and artying your troops

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so uh

the M4A3(105) has 666 HE shells

>>174482009
>teammate says "fuck I didn't know they got a stug" when it stonewalls his 3rd Armored phase A rush

>>174480224
>M36 Jackson named after General Stonewall Jackson
deepest lore

>>174482436
>3rd Armored phase A rush
I thought the Firefly and cheap gun halftracks put an end to people trying that

>>174481149

Just having the fucking M10 would make a huge difference. All they need is the ability to shoot at targets from 1200m away.

>>174482574
It still works if the 12th player didn't immediately spawn the firefly or sometimes you get lucky

>>174482352
but no HEAT shells

>>174482620
That's one of the biggest issues with 3rd, they have nothing to answer or even pen the 1200m guns the germans can throw down on the field early on, and that just snowballs as Panthers start rolling out in Phase B

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Indianhead is actually quite excellent.
It's my Allied deck of choice for now.

Can some anon make a list of all the inaccuracies of the timeline? I'm not autistic but I know someone here is.

>>174487303
So some idiot sent hordes of men into your standard sherman

>>174487434
and?

>>174487813

Doesn't make it a good deck, just means you fought retards.

>>174487303
they're like 3rd armored, except instead of pretending to be good in the lategame they're actually good early. also, plenty of 76s, including one in A

they seem genuinely good for small games and less-open maps/areas

>>174487992
>I can't win A phase
or
>I play 10v10 only

>>174488313
They have all the tools you need to dominate A phase and then stunlock counterattacks in B-C phase.
Xylophones auto-stun armor blobs, which you can exploit with the 2vet Wolverines.

And unlike the 17thSS, Indianhead isn't destined for nerfing.

>>174479381
you gotta go fast, faster than Sonic. Only buy the Kuznetsov if your planning on buying their attack helicopters and committing to attacking Gobo on turn 2. If you weren't good at using ATGM infantry than you will now as they did the majority of the heavy work for me due to all the japanese armor and your lack-of.

Give Luftland a Pak 43 card or more 8.8cm cards.
Give 3AD some Wolverines or Hellcats.
Take away half of the 17th's Nebel cards.
Keep Scots as is.
Keep 12SS as is.
Keep 2ndID as is.

>>174488874

Hon hon but if we give le 3AD l'TDs then the 2ID will not be unique :^)

>>174489005
2ID gets all that crazy Ranger shit and arty options.
3AD gets Jumbos and E8s.

>>174489114

>E8s

No they don't, they get non HVSS shermans with the 76.

'39 battle of France DLC when??? I want to fuck Germans up as the French.

>>174491165

Knowing Eugen they would probably give the frogs post war Panthers as captured equipment in 1939.

>>174488498
>>174488632

I saw somewhere that North Korea has manpads attached to literally everything.

I guess they realize how impossible it is for them to win an air war so they might as well be the biggest pain in the ass to fly over.

The idea of literally every tank and APC having manpads on it is pretty interesting. You'd think they';d eventually take something down right?

It's almost like there is a reason A-10's and that type of CAS is being phased out...

>>174492343
Strela bus vroom vroom

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>>174478014
Has anyone else encountered a bug in steel division where your trees and hedgerows just dissapear at mid-zoom?

I know that beta is beta, but this is quite irritating.

>Play as Luft vs. Scotts
>Fight over the center town
>They never deploys an Avere
>Never deploys a Crocodile
What did he mean by this?

>>174493587
Damn Scotts, they ruined the Scotts.

>31M literally hits all 6 missiles for 3 kills in one run vs all planes 130 points or more

MiG 31 Status= Redeemed

>Wargames General
Should be "Steel Divsion shill General"

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>Should be "Steel Divsion shill General"

>>174493587
>Play as Scotts vs. Luft
>Fight over the center town
>Use Avere to smoke his infantry
>Follow up with Crocodiles in Phase B to push back his Phase A tanks
>Typhoons to smoke his B phase tanks
>He quits midway through Phase B
ez

>>174482620
Unless it would have 2 vet stars like in 2nd Inf, it wouldn't really be much of a use.

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Abrams-guska when??

>>174497051
you lost me at luftlande phase A tanks

>>174498764
Don't ask me what he thought he was going to accomplish with them. Though he did grab some land in the beginning, but that was about it.

>infiltrate into enemy territory with the little jeep that comes with 2nd infantry recon
>kill his phase A mortar
>he quits before B phase even arrives
eheheheh

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>playing 3AD against luftlande in the mid section of columbine
>shitter buys 2 mortars and some infantry squads at the start
>rushes the infantry squads across the open field
>mfw i just drive my halftracks past him and gib his two mortars behind his lines

>>174498764
hey the renault 35 was a remarkable tank

in 1935, where it belongs

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Cute!

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>>174502067
You call that a bombing raid?

infantry AT should have a 100% chance to hit

driving your expensive vehicle within AT range of a hedge you haven't cleared is a huge mistake, and whether it's punished or not shouldn't be up to RNG. the worst is when the vehicle has a 20mm or something, and just stuns/vaporizes the infantry squad instantly, which effectively rewards that guy's fuck-up.

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>infantry AT should have a 100% chance to hit

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>>infantry AT should have a 100% chance to hit

>>174478014
guise i'm going back to the army camp on sunday and their free Wi-Fi won't let me axis 4chan because it's an "adult site.", how do I get around this?

>>174478276
Only german flak sucks.

>>174503904
proxy+4chan pass is the easiest option. Not free, though.

>>174503904
Clover or some other app on mobile.

>15 sk18's

Jesus fucking Christ.

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>>174492343

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>>174491165
I would play the shit out of it, the early war period has a unique feel to it.

>>174491165
>'39
>battle of France

>>174505607
>expecting these people to have any knowledge of history

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Leavers should be Shot.

>>174503904
literally just use https

if they blocked 4chan by name instead of IP, that will work

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Poised for victory by turn 6!

I imagine a turn 5 victory might be possible with a better player

Let's get some mowas going, who's on steam?

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>>174506196

To open up on this post.

I just had a match. i got my ass kicked at the start. literally steamrolled but some stug.

( on a side note if they're going to get something like that i really think the Croc should be back at Phase A )

But as soon as it hit phase B i managed to counter attack and regain some ground. i was massing units for a good push. this was supposed to be the counter attack of all counter attacks.

All until one of my team left (3v3) his entire flank collapsed and i couldn't support it. he literally ruined the entire match because he got memed by pushing up too far alone. absolute shitter it made me more mad than being memed by nebs. 109 rockets and any tank the Axis could throw at me. these people should really be banned.

protip: When you zoom all the way out and pan to the edges of the map you can see what other maps we get to play on.

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>>174492343
BMP design feature. Every third BMP in a company had a MANPADS and the guy who carried it had to be seated below one of the hatches. Later on entire AA platoons like you saw in the first pic supported 2S6 Tunguskas as the Strela-10 and Shilka became obsolete.

>>174502498
That wouldn't be realistic.

every single conquest game is like this:
You roll up, you control 60% of your front, you see a friendly front is at 15% you decide to send in a stuart and some infantry to help his front.
You push up and his units stay in the city way back from the frontline.
Your ally on the other side of the map is asking for air support because he didn't put any aircraft in his deck you send in two fighters to sort them out.
The entire front is now 52 and we're slowly winning.
Meanwhile on your original front, the enemy now begins to assault your position, the two AT guns and the infantry is easily beaten as the enemy advances with artillery and airplanes bombing everything that moves, and panthers roll up.
You have 120 points left after helping your team, you spend them on some infantry and recon.
Your front is now at 20% and your entire team begins to blame you for the fact that we're now losing, nobody is sending in any reinforcements and we lose the game quickly there after.

Wow conquest is really the gamers choice i see.

>>174513115
Play 1v1 then if you don't want to deal with having shit teams

god dammit guys, just get some friends in stead of blaming the team all the time.

>>174513223
or this

>>174511310
>Shilka
>obsolete

>>174513641
By the 80's on, yes, it was easy for the most recent US Attack helicopters like the AH-64 and literally anything with a maverick to counter. The Tunguska and it's missile were pretty much required to make sure that two Apaches weren't going to be the end of your tank regiment.

>>174513223
>>174513417
or just stop playing the shitty conquest game made.
>wow guys we're holding 51% of the frontline this actually means something in terms of winning a war

>>174514568
>wow guise we lost our entire front and most of our men, but because we spammed rocket arty and camped our anti tank guns at spawn we won the war!


really werfs my nerbls

>>174514568
Yeah, K/D ratio is what wins wars, just ask Russians.

>>174514697
conquest is literally boiled down to, who ever gets the first leaver loses.
Nice game mode
At least destruction has some actual battles going on

>>174515274
but it doesn't though, it has people camping near the centre of the map, refusing to advance and spamming artillery

>>174515334
>refusing to advance and spamming artillery
sorry but that is conquest

>>174513115
Play it like me - Never help your team, unless someone is explicitly asking for help and fighting 2/3vs1. If you are getting ahead just use your excess points on creating flank from your spearhead. Works much better than trying to support some noob.

>>174513417
"Get some friends" is the worst argument ever, especially on chinese forum for mongoloid cartoons lovers, kys.

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>>174515602

we're your friends anon!

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>>174515274
>destruction
>good

>RGR mortars
>RGR 30cal
>RGR everything else
>10 man Command Infantry
>Xylophone
>2 vet Wolverines
>Priest DD
I don't think I could ever go back to the Scots.

What are the exact mechanical effects of veterancy?

>>174516338

+15% accuracy per star
-15% aim time per star
Resistance to stress that I don't have the exact numbers for.

>>174494250
There's a faggot in ranked who plays red airborne with 31M as his primary ASF. I didn't think it's possible for that unit to hit something until I played him and lost both my blocks to it.

Mod tools are out!
>it's notepad++

>>174517130
what can you do with them?

>>174517567
Finally nerf the overpowered jumbo and give some needed boosts to Panthers

>>174517567
>>174517648

You can open a bunch of NDF files with all explanations in French. It's not tools at all. They just decompiled their game files, something they could easily have done for every wargame in a split second.

They have given exactly zero tools, the most they could bring themselves to do is write a simple batch file that uploads a folder to steam, and doesn't even have a UI at all.

Also in the game files this game is called "WargameNormandie"

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Remember lads.

The 17th SS is an arty support unit.

>>174517983
>you can easily steamroll the 17th
>It's an art support division
>muh Jumbos
False flag confirmed

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Fuck me, the way accuracy works in this game is fucking retarded.

>>174516492
>-15% aim time per star

Holy shit

>>174517983
I don't know why people are crying over Sk 18s, its not even that good and I dropped it from the deck. Also I have been playing 17. for few hours now and they have really weak infantry and pretty restricted anti-infantry weapons. If you play very agressively with infantry + support you can really push them to the wall, but obviously most of those vegetables from steam forums would rather dig themselves in and not move for an inch without squadron of planes and tank blob.

>>174518556
It's very difficult to push on non-urban/rough terrain without plane or tank support (unless by 'support' you included 'support vehicles')

>>174518664
The Grille and the StuGs are more than enough for that though. The AT guns themselves can also act as infantry support

>>174518383
aw boo hoo your units miss sometimes

>>174518482
Actually each star gives you a +1 to your 2d6 dice rolls.

>>174518482
what's holy shit about that? Just means you fire a fraction of a second earlier

>>174516492
According to what Sharkey posted in earlier threads additional veterancy stars should not add fixed value to accuracy, but it should depend on the level eg. 5 Acc + 1 star means +14% CTH, but for 8 Acc + 1 star it would be +11% CTH

>>174518816
Shooting first is very valuable

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>>174518752
Maybe if you can contain your shit posting, i'll explain to you how accuracy in this game is based on rolling two six sided dice. And not about how my units miss.

>>174518664
When I play 3rd Inf I always choose the non-urban terrain part of the map for a start because I know if I get engaged in a town/bocage fights I will lose my time and momentum, meanwhile on more open areas I can push with full force and always gain ground. Key to succes is not focusing on enemy main counters like FF or Stug F and instead intesifying push in the weaker parts of the front.

>>174519032
Post something more than a venting of your frustrations

>>174519281
You mean 3rd armoured?

>>174519449
Yeah, sorry 3rd armoured.

>>174519296
Are you retarded? Do you not comprehend what is being said? Either way, I will actually explain for everyone's benefit.

Xylophone > Nebel

>>174519480
I find a lot of 3A players push the town really hard for some reason when I play Luft, but I have no idea why

Fear of AT guns probably

>>174519503
I can't wait for your explanation of why odds-based accuracy is bad in this case

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hmm

>>174520257
Koingstiger is 380 points so Jumbo should be 380 points, they have the same armour.

>>174520117
I like linear accuracy increase. And well, it's more that this isn't explained anywhere in the game. And most people don't seem to understand it when they are talking about it.

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Isn't this thing supposed to have some AP value?

>>174520725
Are you saying that accuracy doesn't increase as you get closer to your target?

>>174521074
No

By how much does armor reduce HE values?

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How can I improve my deck

>>174520725
Except there is a linear acc increase.
>acc increases as range reduces
>acc increases for every subsequent shot made at a target in sequence

Eugen just hasn't given us tranparant values for these.

>>174521282
remove sdkfz 250, add cromwell, remove stork, add fighter or AP, remove hummels add more panthers

>>174521282
>remove Pz2C, replace it with a command car in SUP slot
>remove your PzIV cards, replace them with Beh Panthers and 1vet Panther Gs
>get a fucking Cromwell, remove that phase A supp truck

>>174521282
>A Phase supply trucks
What will run out of ammo in phase A?
Also, remove C Phase Panzer IV Hs and put more panthers.

>>174519804
aye but coupled with OP axis airforce and long range artillery to counterbattery your xylos the nerbel is still OP as the axis have so much more leeway with it

>>174521118
It does.
At 500m your chance to hit with 4 acc is 27.78%
At 499m your chance to hit with 4 acc is
41.67%

>>174478014
the M7 DD and tank support armor combo in phase A appears to do really well for me; the support nAT trucks are cheaper then the armor and act as surrogate stuarts, while the M7 DD wipes any emplacements that appear during a push.

A few times, i'ev been able to completely wiped enemy phase A troops just by catching them all as they dismount and using some mortars with the gun trucks and M7 to insta pin them.

It also does pretty well stunning enemy armor, but I haven't seen it kill any yet (it has massive HE damage but no AT).

still, the decks shit once late game occurs and the mortar/air/panther spam comes out the woodwork

>>174521780
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

I don't know why people harp on about mortars, they don't seem like much of a threat compared to what else I could buy for the points

Maybe playing Luft has put me in the mindset of no AP = useless

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>>174521780
>At 500m your chance to hit with 4 acc is 27.78%
>At 499m your chance to hit with 4 acc is 41.67%
Gonna need a source on that one Hans. Accuracy doesn't increase that sharply over a meter.

>>174522042
M7 DD is excellent ATG hunter, but you get so few 2vet GMCs that I don't see any reason to take them over an M4A1 DD.

Also Ranger motars are OP.

>>174522220
nah mortars are fine, it's the artillery guns that fuck up the game; you cant hit em, their defended to fuck by enemy armor, and the only counter is wheeling out your own arty and playing battleshits: steel division mode until one side destroys the other's artillery or supply trucks.

Mortars are fine as there clos enough to the battlefield to be hit by aircraft and run out of ammo fairly quickly.

>>174522265
I go for the 2 vet GMCs because they're 20 points cheaper so I can throw more men out early game, and are a little faster then the M4A1's.

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>>174521780

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>>174522053
>>174522229
>>174522821

You can look at the game files with a program like notepad++. The accuracy in SD44 is static increases at predefined ranges. You have to opt into the modding beta though to look at them.

I made this neat little picture to explain what i learned by reading the game files.

>>174523021
are you sure the game doesnt interpolate between the rangetables?

>>174523021
>acc PENALTY when over 50% range
ok, that's a horseshit design choice, but it explains a lot

The listed unit acc ought to be the fucking baseline, not the average.

>>174523104
It is divided into integers, you can't really interpolate a dice roll. At above 500m range you get a -1 to your dice roll.

You gotta remember those percentages are not your accuracy, they are your chance to roll a relevant dice outcome.

>>174523021
>>174523430
is this different from wargame:wargame?

THERE IS STILL NO PENALTY FOR LEAVING GAMES

WHY

WHY

>>174523718
because it gives me an erection joining 2 vs 2 games and leaving right after

>>174523692
The file refers to a "Fin Dice Roll System" and a "New Dice Roll System" which is what SD44 uses. I think what they changed was that in Wargame they had semi increments, that was only + 0.5 of a dice roll. So assuming that 2 increments in Red Dragon is 1 increment in SD44. 50% accuracy in red dragon is actually 58.34% accuracy in reality. Probably with different range modifiers though.

But using dice rolls there is no way to get an actual natural number of accuracy. So if they really used a similar system in RD all the accuracies were essentially lies.

They need to bring back town names from RUSE.

>>174524612
But I don't want to know the name of the town I'm demolishing.

>>174524908
I however do want to know what town I'm nuking with the Nebelwerfer 42

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>>174525050
post nibblewargers

>>174521360
No this is monotonically increasing function, but its clearly not linear.

>>174525114
>no nato symbols
>no real size units
Uninstall naziboo

>>174523021

Your table is actually incorrect.
t. wrote the current accuracy prediction model for STD in the VIP beta

A unit with 5 accuracy and with 2 veterancy stars as base + a command tank for a total of 3 veterancy stars has a 58.33% chance of hitting at max range, not 72.23%

>>174526284
>using nato's retarded symbols
they all look the fucking same

Would having a leader next to my butterfly protect it from someone trying to make it perpetually retreating with a plane in phase A?

I can't think of anything else, hitleryugend has zero working aa in phase A.

>>174526416
That's because you're bad.

Literally get good.

>>174526848
To be fair, when the beta first came out the RTS symbols had more info on them about units than the NATO symbols did.

Not sure about now though

>>174520257

>it penetrates every German tank except for most of the German tanks

>Panzerschrecks sneak up behind enemy APC
>takes forever to aim
>won't shoot when the little clock is full
>APC turns 360 and stun them to death

>>174526373
Did you get those numbers from looking at the code of the game?

>>174511858
>realism
>when tanks have <50% chance to hit a stationary target 500m away
>when a pinpoint rocket strike is always 10 seconds away at all times
>meeting engagements with both sides having air tabs in normandy
realism is not an argument in eugene games

Literally every bigger game in the lobby now fills up almost imediately for the axis while allies have like 3 players or so...kek

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>Playing against 12. Sissyboys as 3AD
>Able to take out his Beute FF early on and deny him any terrain except across an open field
>Start reinforcing position and building resources while maneuvering recon into place
>Push forward, recon spots his Panzers all lined up nice and neat on the road for his big push
>Artillery and Air rape ensues and he rage quits


On an unrelated note, is anyone else having trouble keeping control over their dogfighters? My Mustangs keep wandering outside of the area I place them in and end up getting shot down because they get stuck in engagements over the enemy's area.

>>Artillery and Air rape ensues and he rage quits

Is arty and air even able to kill a tank without pounding him for 30 minutes? Why did he quit?

>>174531961
you can keep them perma stunned

pretty much my go to strat as nerblwurger or Luftwaffe decks

So I stole v77308. Is this close to the current version? Or am I playing some shitty version of the game nobody likes?

>>174531961
Because as the arty and air was stunning everything I started rolling in my Jumbos/75s/76s and he didn't seem to bother with any other AT assets while his flank was overrun by my teammate.

It was a good match and I think I'm finally getting the hang of things now.

>>174478014
>when you rush a town and find it empty as the Luftwaffe so you secure your sector and can now use all your points to spam AA and Air support for the rest of your team

mmmmm

>>174531749
They do a pretty wide circle, so I always send them to idle well behind my lines, usually over my AA when I have them.

>>174531749
I use all my dogfighters only as interceptors or a screen, and preferably in pairs whenever possible, so I don't have to keep much control over them. They do their single job and then evac.

>>174532228

>singleplayer

don't bother

>>174532228
The game isn't out, there's no singleplayer campaign yet. What is even the point of pirating it at this point?

>>174478014
>when the way of the nuuuuuurrrrrballl is slowly infecting me and I no longer want to actually conquer territory but just spam rocket artillery all game

help meee

>>174532228
Just pre-order on Steam and refund before it comes out.

half trained rocket crew is more effective than other artillery even with million hours of training
doesnt matter if everything misses when everyone shits their pants
normal artillery is too slow, while its long range it still never hits where its aimed at

>>174533889
>the year is 20XX
>every match in steel division is now 10v10 destruction, axis vs axis
>the full teams of 17th SS players each take their positions, established thousands of games ago as the optimal places to defend your nebelwerfers
>the first 10 minutes consists of little more than biding time and saving points for phase B
>phase B hits, all 20 players buy their full arty tab of nablewurfs, 9 launchers each, 180 launchers total, 1080 rockets ready to go at any given time
>the rest of the game is 40 minutes of little more than guessing where the opponent parked his launchers this time and then watching rockets fly back and forth at 10fps
>the occasional noob spends points on an airstrike or tank, but this quickly proves to be a drop in the ocean of piss that is nerbelwafer spam
>40 minutes later it ends, the winners decided purely by rocket RNG and the minute differences in the speed of their nurgleburger micro

>>174535064
So it's Red Dragon support deck meta all over again?

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When you playing against 3rd who goes full arty mode does not even deploy a single jumbo...

>>174535064
So paradox will finally release East vs West with cold war MAD after all!

>>174535168
>>174535064
YO FUCKED IT EUGEN, YOU BENT IT OVER AND YOU FUCKED IT

NOW EVERYONE JUST CAMPS BACK AND SPAMS ARTY

ITS RED DRAGON DESTRUCTION MODE ALL OVER AGAIN!


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174535247
Jumbos died with the 22 AP anti tank guns

>>174535356
Would he had a jumbos, he would at least pose some threat to me, instead I just steamrolled him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>174535064
So its Ruse Long Tom mode? That shit was fun as fuck playing Mutually Assured Destruction in the hexagon map

>>174536016
your a shitter if jumbos give you a threat

imagine playing 3rd against any sort of heavy tank

you have no fucking AT

>>174530095

Your model may have its numbers from the game code but obviously they fail to adequately explain the situations as seen in game, maybe there are more hiddne modifiers in the code that causes your model to be inaccurate. My model was developed entirely based on in-game situations and extensive testing, and has 100% accuracy for all in-game situations when firing at max range.

For example according to your model a tank with 5 accuracy and no veterancy would have a 3 on the accuracy roll at its max range, but in reality it has a 4, thus giving it 16.67% CTH instead of 8.33% as predicted by your table.

>>174535356
Allied mass B-17/B-24/Lancaster bombind formations when?

I need my Operation Cobra carpet bombing.

What is the solution to the Jumbo question?

What amount of supply is the go to amount if i don't use much arty?

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>>174536258

I wish

>>174536427
1 card of phase B trucks.

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>>174536426
>the Jumbo question
I propose this final solution, the game will finally be balanced and the allies be crushed indefinitely.

>>174536427
I just take one card in B if it's available. if not, I guess take one in A so you don't have to wait 20 minutes to use it. with the amount of supply that trucks carry, I don't think I'd take more than one card unless you're arty spamming hard.

>>174536593
I still can't get over the fact they think the game is bias in favour of the allies.

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>>174536593

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>>174536796
easily penned at max range by the new favorite axis tanks jagdpanther and King Tiger

>>174536716
I still can't get over,
>allies tanks will be crushed by King and Jagdpanthers. That have no ground unit to counter it.
>the game will be a bit more balanced.

>>174536228
You shitposted enough for today, take a break.

>>174536593
What will his reaction be when his precious King Tiger gets destroyed by Achilles and Archers

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>>174537506
nerf allies

>>174537658
>>174536593
>People are this deluded

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Air superiority is fun. Shame it's shit at everything else.

>>174513767
The Shilka is never obsolete, especially in the infantry support role.

>>174535247
>taking Jumbos at all anymore
They're dead weight now

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>>174537921
Are you new to this? Every WW2 game forums is like this.

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>>174538551
They even argue amongst themselves how great the Nazis are.

I got it you guise, we let the wehrbabs have their undeadable tanks but remove their air support, 100% historically accurate. ;^)

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>>174538718

>>174538784
but you're forgetting about all the super jet engine planes the Germans had, we all know 1 Luft pilot and plane were worth 20 or 30 allied planes with their inferior propellers and poorly designed weapons :^)

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I PROPOSE THIS FINAL SOLUTION TO ALLIED BIAS! I HAVE THE SEKRET DOCUMENTS HERE STATING THE NAZIS HAD "insert super weapon here"

>>174538897
>>174538718
>>174538551

my god it's like reading a high school paper on why germany lost the war.

>>174538897
>Panther
>best tank
It doesn't even qualify for being a good tank

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>>174539454
These people are the loudest voice on the forums, at least Eugen seem to ignore there outlandish demands.

>>174536238

My model states that a tank with 5 accuracy at max range, should have 27.78% chance to hit, not 8.33%

>>174539610
>at least Eugen seem to ignore there outlandish demands
aren't we getting a French division?
If so, that's were you look for the secret super weapons and underpriced goodies

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>>174539520
Ignoring all its shortcomings (no gunner periscope, its a really big fucking problem), logistical strain, and reliability problems it was a very formidable tank.

When watching replays, can I not skip ahead? Can I just check the leaderboard?

>>174539667

Yeah that is also wrong, since it would have 16.67% chance to hit, considering a unit without any veterancy stars actually has 1 less than the accuracy stated on the unit card when compared against a 2d6 normal distribution.

>>174539973
whats worse is that naziboos actually believe this. How can you be so retarded to think that superior armor>superior reliability and strategic use?

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>>174540337
They also tell other people to google things, which if you did google you would actually find the sherman had one the highest crew survival rates of the war (around 80%)

I feel like 3rd armor can't get shit done in Phase A.
Sometimes it's so bad the match is decided even if I pull off a successful B phase counter attack. Am I missing something?

>its another "clappers try to make their ronsons look better" episode

worse that HATOboos tbqh

cant wait for the operation unthinkable DLC and drive all the way to washington in my t34

>>174537506
everyones going to alt+f4 when their 600 point destroyers get sank by 20 point rangers using pocket knives

>>174538512
lol no

>>174540613

>russians get added
>naziboos tanks get destroyed by slav tanks

the tears would be fucking palpable

>>174538512
I feel like they are a very good for my 1,200 range tanks. Jumbos being able to shrug off most shells is still extremely valuable and can help negate nasty surprises/ambushes.

>>174540606
Who do you play against though? Luftlande and 12. would be a completely different matchup

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>>174540606
Depends who you're facing up against
3rd Armor is right now the weakest Allied Division by far

>>174540613
>East Front '44 expansion
>mfw the wehraboo howling reaches critical mass when the IS-2 rolls out

>>174540960
Meant to say very good defensive screens.

3AD should get a couple of Jumbo's in phase C with the 76mm cannon.

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>>174541792
how about [Spoiler] You fuck off and die [/Spoiler]

>>174478014
late game nerflwerf is ridiculously fun

>oh, you have fought tooth and nail to secure to town in phase A and B? well, here's a massive fuck you by 4 nerfl werf batterys!
>oh, you're counter attacking with tanks? have a mass panic!
>oh, your artillery is trying to soften up my entrenched infantry? nerflwerrrrf!!!!

only thing that killed my batterys was a off map barrage because I couldn't be arsed to relocate

>>174541792
then they might actually be pretty good in the lategame, and able to compete with panther blobs

we obviously can't have that, the allies must be crushed for the game to be balanced

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>>174542546
>because I couldn't be arsed to relocate

>>174535168
Where did you observe this meta? 10v10 on bloody ridge?

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>>174537658
>panther
>light tank

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This is italian Stug,say something nice to it

>>174542668
I was thinking that if you only let 3AD have a few, and only in phase c it would avoid cries of being OP
who am I kidding wehr's will bitch about anything

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>>174540606
I used to get my ass kicked in phase A until I realized the key isn't so much halftrack spam as it is Stuart + CMD Stuart + Recon backed up by infantry half tracks.

>>174541792
>>174541098
What I'm quickly learning with 3rd Armor is you need to grab ground quickly with Stuarts/Greyhound/Recon, secure it with your infantry and AT, and then start building up your armor. Leaders are pretty critical for the bonuses.

When you start making more offensive moves in Phase C, you have to pay close attention to LOS and use the terrain to negate the German's range advantage. Recon stays ahead to spot AT Guns/TDs and use artillery/Thunderbolts to either panic them or destroy them.

You aren't going to win any sweeping advances but you will beat the Germans through sheer weight of fire. You're just going to take a lot of casualties doing it.

Which is oddly accurate for 3AD.

>>174542908
Nope, usually on Floods, Straight to the Point, Back to Inchon, Gunboat Diplomacy, and another D-Day in paradise.

I usually played from 6v6 to 10v10

>>174543297
thank god only 260 were built

>>174543979
Yeah artillery gets stronger the more points you stick on a tiny map. Strait in particular is a joke, with the one tiny 2km frontline that can be bombarded indefinitely.

When a map says 1v1, it's best played in a 1v1. With the exception and ridge and 38th parallel which are both misclassified [should be 2v2 and 3v3 respectively while ingame its 3v3 and 4v4]

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Stop talking about Wargame and Steel Division

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>>174544402
No

>>174543297
it's endearingly ugly, like a pug

>>174543653

3AD can definitely do that if they have a good start. If they are able to consolidate from a strong Phase A and build up Shermans in Phase B they have a good shot against the Panthers.

The problem is the division really struggles to recover from any significant setback. M4a3s are 160 pts a pop, they die fairly easily and 3AD has bad Phase A/B income. If they're in a good position they can dump all those points into massed tanks, but if they have to waste points replacing losses, buying 100pt AAA or 40pt Rifles it becomes very difficult to achieve the numbers of M4s they need to overcome Panthers or Jagds.

The core balance issue is that as Axis it's relatively easy to knock 3AD behind in materiel by plinking off peripheral units, while 3AD needs to be managed well and/or get lucky to be effective. I like playing 3AD a lot but it's definitely not competitive for most of the game.

>>174544812
>struggles to recover from any significant setback
Even small setbacks can really fuck you over, especially early on when replacing your infantry or recon is expensive or god forbid you run into the Firefly and Cromwell

>>174538507
A regiment carries only 4. That's one Shilka for every battalion. Every battalion already equipped with over 40 BMPs or T-XXs.

any number of 2A42s or 2A46s perform the "direct support" role just fine. For everything else, you spam artillery as the Soviets did.

>>174538507
>>174545275
Nothing is obsolete when most world conflict occurs between countries that can't afford better. Upgunned and uparmoured T-55s are still offered by weapons companies.

If you're a minor nation you'll lose a war to NATO no matter what, so why bother trying to make an Abrams killer when you can shit on T-72s and roll your neighbors?

>Gates of Hell goes weeks without a devblog
>HEY GUYS WE ARE WORKING ON A NEW TRAILER STAY TUNED
>more weeks pass
>finally a devblog
>UHH SORRY NO TRAILER BUT WE ARE GOING BACK TO WEEKLY DEV BLOGS!
>3 weeks later
>Have already forgotten about their '""""weekly""""" dev blogs

>>174544812
I certainly agree, and I've been getting lucky lately with being able to handle losses. But I've also played against fairly conservative opponents the last few rounds, so that may play a part in it all.

I also think the Sherman price point should drop by about 10 points or so to make it a better value.

>>174545063
Again, terrain. The FF isn't so OP if you can limit its range.

>>174526848
NATO symbol for the Pz II and for the Koingstiger is the same. RTS icons are objectively superior as they convey much more information much simpler.

I could understand using them in Wargame as a form of autistic roleplay, but in WW2 they aren't even era appropriate, only pretentious faggots gimp themselves using them to show off.

>>174546205
>Pz II and for the Koingstiger
...yes, because they're both tanks.

I bet you enjoy the films of Wes Anderson.

>>174546205
Not that guy, but surely it differentiates with light/med/heavy armor icons? I remember that was a thing in HoI3 at least.

>>174546297
Achually, NATO symbols support differentiation between tank types (light, heavy, medium, recon, etc) but Eugene is lazy

If Eugene implemented NATO symbology better I would use it, but their shitty watered down NATO symbols are objectively less informative at a glance than their RTS symbols.

>>174546343
Not him but I don't think it does

>>174546205
>but in WW2 they aren't even era appropriate,
Johann pls go, a number of the symbols were already in use at that time.

>>174546343
>I remember that was a thing in HoI3
Yes. IIRC the light counter is just the standard counter, the medium one has an additional vertical bar on the right, and heavy one has two.

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>some people in this thread think the allies aren't OP

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>>174478014
>[Update] [Auto] 3
>play nerfl deck
>try to rush town but 2 enemy players rush it and boot me out with 2 beute cromwells and 2 AT guns
>withdraw to hedgeline, wait until phase B and C
>spam the fuck out of nerlwerfls, wiping out dozens of enemy units by simply clicking on the town
>my army of AA prevents enemy planes plinking them
>single handedly halt 2 player tank spam rushes with my own counter tank spam
>run out of ammo from rockets and rollout marders to reinforce my defensive line, and wait for my ally (who had no one facing him do to the two on one gangbang on me) to push forward with his unmolested units to regain the ground and win the match
>you have lost connection to the game

the players fighting against me must have raged horrifically

>when you nerflamberwerfer a city held by 2ID and the frontline jumps back the size of texas

>>174546297
No idea who that is.

When I have a choice between a system that on the first glance tells me "it's a tank" and a system that tells me "it's a tank, Koingstiger" I know which I will take.

>>174546521
OK, so that's just Eugen things.

Let me rephrase that post:

NATO symbol for the Pz III and for the Panther G is the same. RTS icons are objectively superior as they convey much more information much simpler.

I could understand using them in Wargame as a form of autistic roleplay, but in WW2 they aren't even era appropriate, only pretentious faggots gimp themselves using them to show off.

>>174547980
You're sort of taking an extreme example. The Panzer III was one of the lightest mediums of the war, and the Panther was as heavy in every way as a Tiger

>>174547980
>NATO symbol for the Pz III and for the Panther G is the same
They literally are not

In the game they are, but Eujewn can easily add proper NATO symbols

>>174548131
Yeah, and the symbol is the same. I could use more likely example, like Pz IV vs Panther. Still a huge difference, still the same symbol.

Does anybody want to play combat mission or Men of War

I am shit at both of them though

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>>174546826
post dank nerfls

>>174548178
How would those symbols look like then?

What's a nebelwerf?

So, with Johan distributing it, do we expect a million DLC?

>>174545275
Is there a document in more modern soviet battalions and regiments when it comes to vehicles

A us army and or marines would be nice too

>>174549385

Songs of the Reich, $2

>>174549325
It's a device that werfs nebels

>>174549385
Sabaton DLC is practically guarranteed.

>>174549723
I don't mind that, I think Victoria II had the best DLC model (lots of cosmetic and two MAJOR expansions). I hate the CK2/EU4 micro-expansion model where you need dozens of $15 DLCs to have the complete game.

>>174549385
Dot camo for SS divisions $1.99
Have to buy it separately for each division

>>174549972
>consumeable
>longevity of one month

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Rate my deck

>>174549325
nebwelfors are the fists of the Gods raining down vengeance upon American mass produced tinderbox tanks that only won through spamming and were inferior to german tanks

>>174550460
norbleburglar/10

>>174550460
>I don't need recon if every hedge and building is destroyed

>>174550805
Recon is for allied pussies receiving my fat nebs

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>>174552691
The fuck. I mean, what even is this?

>>174550460
good my son, you are on the righteous path of the nebel warger.


However, I recommend more supply trucks, and I recommend some sk long range artillery to snipe enemy emplacements and counter battery enemy artillery.

Your AA is good, I also recommend you bring out some of those support marders as they rape infantry.

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>>174552691

>>174552691
what the fuck did he try to do? drown you in bodys?

>>174552691
The AVRE is delicious when you have removed possible threats.

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>>174552918
>>174553170

>>174553904
ah le german zerg rush of desperation I see

>>174553904
wow

>>174549706
Plenty.

http://www.ww2.dk/new/newindex.htm
For specific units and the types of equipment they fielded. Most "numbers" are from the CFE treaty which reduced many divisions to half or even a tenth of their strength.

https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf
Soviet Operations and Tactics circa 1984, covers scale levels up to front

https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
The TO&E you asked for, compiled circa 1991

https://www.dropbox.com/s/361iy2lhjle6k57/Soviet-Tank-Battalion-Tactics.pdf?dl=0
Soviet Tank Battalion equipment and tactics circa 1977

http://www.relikte.com/_basis/docs/nva-4.pdf
The entire Nationale Volksarmee in 1988

>>174553904
>EUGEN THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE
>NAZI SOLDIERS WERE BULLETPROOF AND THEY WOULD NEVER PANIC UNDER FIRE
>SS WERE HAND PICKED FROM THE STRONGEST ARYAN MEN OF THE MOST WELL TRAINED DIVISIONS
>AVRE HAS TOO MUCH HE
>TWO MACHINE GUNS????
>SS SHOULD GET COVER EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THEY CAN DIG TRENCHES
>NERF ALLIES NOW!!!!!

>>174553904
HAHA real funny dude. Nice joke trying to pass off a Russian horde getting mowed down by a superior German tank as poor tactics by a dumb naziboo.

>>174553382
[Insert unit] is delicious when you remove possible threats.

>guy named DEUTSCHLAND in warchat insisting allies are overpowered
zozzle

>>174554662
Well, some are easier to remove possible threats for than others. Also, a certain killing-power and flashiness is required to be delicious.

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>>174553904
>18 armor
It's just not the same.

>>174554665
>exactly what I requested days ago
Based

>>174555071
get me a good 17pdr kill list if you can

>>174554665
Pak guns are pretty much the same

there's no actual reason to buy tanks in SD. All you need are AT guns and infantry, with the occasional autocannon.

>tfw want to use NATO symbols in wargame but as soon as shit gets real I panic because I can't associate them fast enough so I switch back to RTS

Feels bad gentlemen

>>174554897
Still does the job.

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>>174555116
Got u senpai

>>174543653
>you will NEVER unbutton from your tank just to take potshots at nazis
Why was I born so late?

>>174555175
tanks don't die instantly to arty and air to ground rocket spam

>>174555337
thanks m8

>3AD babbies complaining about how weak they are

Give Luft a go

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>>174554665
Wrong perspective Tbh.

Hey, retard here with a question:
Were AT guns more or less the same types of guns that were on tanks? Or were they more powerful?

>>174555650
the desperation of 3ad players is hilarious now that there's a decent german phase B armor deck; they just instantly rush you in phase A with everything they have, and if they cant puncture your defences in phase A they have to struggle against your stugs, panzers and rocket artillery in phase B, before their jumbos are made futile in phase C by the 22 AP anti tank guns.

I'm seeing players literally throwing 6 tanks at me and in clumps and then rage quitting when my panic causing rocket spam sends them back to spawn

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>playing some Wargame
>3 v 3 with two other Soviet decks
>notice their names

We stomped them. It wasn't fair.

>>174555960
Usually the same, with minor differences to the tank versions to fit in the vehicle.

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>>174556151
>these cancerous settings

>>174556494

I don't play SD, so why then do AT guns rack up so many kills if they are the same gun but not armored or anything.

I understand that'd be easier to hide and get the first shot but shouldn't they get blown out after that? They can't exactly run.

>>174555175
Enjoy moving that AT gun up to the next piece of cover

>>174557136
against tanks alone, it's sort of the problem that a single HE shell from a tank won't kill a whole gun crew, but an AP shell from the gun often kills the tank in one shot

against good players they pretty much immediately will get fucked by mortars or a rocket plane, though

>>174557136
Shooting from hiding lets you wait until the target is in range for a certain hit, which helps a lot. You also get better access to higher quality guns. A 17-pounder tank is more expensive and less available than the corresponding AT gun. And as soon as they've killed the unit there's nothing there to spot them so they can move unless there's an immediate counter-strike.

>>174557667

Do you keep their guns off until in range?
Because in Wargame I'm pretty sure everything engages the second its in range.