/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

Haha no spider, fuck you you fucking faggot

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first time buildin' a ship
am i doin it right

Mining stations.

>>174453372
Spiders BTFO

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r8 muh spess dragons

gonna go for aylmao slavery

>>174453372
Spiders out REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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First time I'm getting the swarm.

>adding an edition
Fuck off, autist.

>>174453619
Use the spider thread if you don't like it, he made one.

>>174453521
you need afterburners, also replace shields with more armour

>>174453605
I guess you're RPing but warrior culture is completely fucking useless, as is anything having to do with ground armies

>>174453669
is 0 shields the meta?

>>174453735
false

Someone explain why PSC is supposedly so broken, please

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Dear /civ4xg/.

Whats your honest opinion about Galactic Civilizations III?

>>174453476
Wormhole is the best one but in multi you need to protect the stations and even then they remain a liability.
And in single player you could as well use warp because it's the less tedious and you don't need this kind of edge over the AIs.

>>174453918
33% of your monthly research output as bonus points per body surveyed by your science ships. Essentially, you're always researching at near double speed.
Don't worry, the AI prioritize it too.

>>174453823
a lot of the AI will start to use anti-shield end game so yes

>>174453918

It literally doubles your science output if you do it with 3 survey ships. 2 survey ships each with roamer trait is good, too.

It's fucking busted and needs a rework. Shouldn't be in the game, completely ruins it because you have to take it every time. Someone else taking means they're gonna be twice as far as you, no matter what. Enjoy using destroyers while they drop battleships and cruisers with kinetic artillery on your bitch ass.

>>174453970
Meh

>>174454104
>>174454052
But you quickly run out of things to survey when you meet faggot empires who close their borders to you

>>174454251

So turn around and go somewhere else. What, are you playing on 20 star sized galaxies?

>>174453970
bland except for the morality system, which is cartoonish and silly

>>174454364
N-no
Do you guys use warp just so you can more easily make use of that?

>>174454471

It does suck with wormholes since you're limited to where your generators can send you and it's best for warp since it has no real drawbacks like hyperlanes having dead ends.

>>174454471
I play wormholes.
Stop playing hyperlanes only, it sucks.

>>174454586
My question was from the point of view of someone only ever using wormholes
I guess you immediately jump as far ahead as you can and build another station there?

>>174454575
Wormholes are great to deal with isolationist empires closing their borders though
>Very well then, I'll just bypass your blockade, it's not like I wanted to see your systems

>>174454186
>>Do habitats extrude borders?
>They have the same border extrusion as a frontier outpost.
They have the border of an unmodified frontier outpost range. If you have +border techs/tradition/xenophobe/ascendancy perk it will be tiny in comparison to a frontier outpost or planet.

>empire going relatively well
>get hyperspace
>find human empire(i am xhuman)
>have the triple of military strengh as him
how do i war?

>>174454705
No, don't post here. That thread is double, let it die.

>>174454705
So do they ignore all border techs and perks?

>>174454669
No, I build new stations when my science ships run out of things to explore.
Then the techs help.

>>174454768
that's the old thread pham

>>174454698
Also, jumping past 4 of their systems to directly attack their homeworld
Never gets old

>>174454123
>>174454459

So you wouldnt recommend playing it?

I kinda want to play something while waiting for Endless Space 2.

>>174454698
As a wormhole user, in mid game I like vassal/integrating a warp using empire for their science ships since it's annoying to setup wormhole stations everywhere in the galaxy.

Is Materialism still worth it?
Wanted to do a Egalitatian / Materialist megacorp.

>>174454879
Play the second. Less expensive.

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This motherfucker walks into the bar and slaps your gf's ass with all four of his arms simultaneously. What is your response?

>>174454856
I really wish it didn't take Warp 2 to bypass galactic arms when wormholes can do it more or less from the get go though (I hate how wormholes tend to make me paranoid about expanding beyond homeworld range). But yeah hyperdrive is just fucking yourself over either way.

>>174454879
2nd game is basically 3 but with more factions and not as pretty. Crusade is gonna change 3 quite a lot though so no point getting it til that's out.

>>174454813
Yes. I hoped I could use habitats to claim territory but their sphere of influence is tiny compared to a +60% range frontier outpost.

>>174454904
Isn't the only real problem that you lose access to the best ascension path unless you love the worm like he loves you

>>174455084
Well thats shit

>>174454939

I already have all three mate.

Only 20 hours played in second, tho. I didnt like it as much as Endless Space for example.

>>174455029

And when Crusade will be out? They said something about "spring" before but we are already there.

>>174455025
Defensively they're really annoying though
>running around on my border trying to catch a hyperlane faggot fleet
>they evade me
>fly straight to my wormhole station system which is the only one my fleet can reach
>[sweating intensifies]
>they ignore the station and instead keep flying to one of my planets
Thank you Wiz our lord and savior, I couldn't handle this game if it had competent AI

>>174455029
Is second game worth playing? Not him but I got all 3 in the latest humble bundle.

>>174454984
Why would he slap my hand?

>>174455326
To assert dominance

>>174454723
>>174454723
>>174454723
>>174454723
>>174454723
also distant worlds

>at war with an AE
>3 of my 100k fleets in orbit around his homeworld
>walk away from the computer for 5 minutes
>come back
>all fleets utterly decimated
>AE still has a 120k fleet floating around
>reload to the lucky autosave that happened while I was away
>AE 200k fleet completely tears it's way through my 300k worth of ships, all empowered with the galactic contender perk
What the fuck happened?!

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>construct ringworld using finite minerals
>extract potentially infinite minerals from it

>>174455410
Better clench my buttcheeks, that guy is after me.

>>174455502
... Declare war? I dunno, I don't understand your question. You know there's a diplomacy screen, right? You click on it, you click on the race you want to rape, and you click on "declare war" or the local equivalent.

>>174455653
Thats the same for literally every mining thing n the game.

>>174455293
>fly straight to my wormhole station system which is the only one my fleet can reach
>tfw you finally manage to trap the hyperdrive faggot between two fleets and an inhibitor trap as a warp user

>>174455652
>leaving an unpaused game
I get anxious when I see people do planet management without pausing, this would probably make me kill you if I witnessed it irl

>>174455729
You don't construct planets and asteroids using finite minerals.

>>174455670
this i know, i mean wage war, how control fleets what do, minutes ago i dint know even how set patrol

>>174455856
You're mining from something with finite materials.Ring Worlds just chuck every body in the system into the ring.

So what's the optimal ascension perk setup?
>core system limit
>voidborne for habitat spam
>two ascension path perks for whichever path you want

>>174455653
Also burds are a lot cuter than spiders.

>>174455965
The cost for constructing is for the physical throwing all the planets together and shit
I don't see you complaining about every regular planet tile having infinite food, energy, and minerals on it

>>174455982
10% research speed

>>174454723
You can just order your fleets to attack without declaring war

>>174455982
I pick border range or research for first perk.

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This is pretty early for sentient AI to pop up in my experience. I ain't complaining though.

>>174455653
Mining ringworlds is kinda weird, they should rather have boosted food and energy productions within it but forbide mining.

>>174456108
I don't understand, I'm saying the ring world complaint is stupid because its the same for everything else in the game.Why are you arguing with me?

>>174455982
Research, borders, imperial prerogative. Rest can wait or is useless.

>>174456176
>>174456121
But 10% is so little when you're at like 30 a month

>>174455870
Just put all your military ships in a fleet, click the fleet, and order it to go in enemy territory.

>>174456250
Oh boy, is it time for the mastery of nature discussion

>>174456315
but it stacks up

>>174456315

It's active through til the end of the game though. Mastery of terrain isn't, for example.

>>174456136
but loss of reputation

>>174455653
You actually mine asteroids that are close by, not the ringworld.

Read the tooltips for once, retard.

>>174456471
Isn't that for habitats?

>>174456426
I'm just saying it doesn't need to be among those first four
If your initial point was to take research as the fifth perk, I apologize for misunderstanding

>>174456230
>build ringworld out of minerals
>decide to mine the minerals you just put there while degrading the integrity of the ringworld
>>174456470
Only matters if there's other empires near you
>>174456471
That's habitats

>>174456315
Still saving up a few months when you research early tech costing 1000~2000 and make 33 a month instead of 30. And then >>174456407 with the lab researches.

>>174456372
desu, it's good for tiny or small maps where you're going to win fast and need stuff fast. Bigger maps you can get more venues for expansion, more resources, more time to take out blockers, and to terraform planets to your species' specs.

>>174456581
You make it out of the planets in the system, the mineral cost is for the frame, unless you think 110k minerals is a massive ringworlds worth of mass?

I'm getting close to unlocking habitats for the first time, aren't they completely fucking OP?
>stack core system bonuses so you can have like 14 without even getting the tech yet
>build habitats everywhere
>you can now control about 52+ planets of at least size 12, most of them with OP energy/research buildings

>>174456230
>>174456581
Doesn't the description for ringworld mines say you're mining local leftover asteroids? Shit, maybe instead of not being allowed it should run out after some time.

>>174455832
I got cocky. That was the kind of fleet that would probably take 20 years to rebuild.

The AE fleet has 1 titan, 77 battleships and 141 cruisers.
I only had 60 battleships, 60 cruisers, 60 destroyers and 60 corvettes, divided up into 3 fleets of equal size. Bad spacing meant they could rip through 1 fleet at a time.

>>174456794
On one hand they're solid sources of energy and research, otoh, idk how they stack up to the research penalties and I'm not autistic enough to figure out that math.

Can I only get 5 ascension perks in one game because there are only five tradition trees?

>>174456657
What map size do you guys usually play on? So far I've always used medium size with slightly more AI empires than default but I've been thinking of trying large
How much longer does a game take? And do you run into the problem where you are giant and can beat anything but still have 80% of the galaxy left to conquer?

>>174456993
You can get ascenion perks from research, the limit is the amount of slots you see.

Is habitat spam the current year meta?

>>174453970
1 have 12 times military strength
2 mass all ships into single fleet
3 set ground combat tactics to maximum overkill
4 drop ships onto capital

or you could just kill trade ships but that's less fun

>>174456794
They count as planets and they are small but thry have big bonus to energy and research.
Honestly you need to do maths to know if they are worth it.

>>174456993
Holy shit we have an actual 4 year old in this thread who can't count yet

>>174457012
I alternate between medium and huge.
Huge takes noticeably longer, there's some more variety, I like it more. But uh yeah, I never won a game on huge yet.

>habitats extend borders
>mine asteroids
>do research

so basically habitats should just outright replace space stations

What do you do with primitive civs in Stellaris? Do you prefer to get the +6 society from them or do you purge them if they live on a planet you can inhabit?

>>174457150
I didn't know you can get ascension perks from things other than filling out the tradition trees.

>>174457110
meant to reply to >>174454723

>>174457110
why you must have fuckin 12 times military strengh?

>>174457239
Unless you're fanatical purifier you're better off enslaving or uplifting if you decide you don't want to leave the observation post up

>>174457251
There are 7 trees you massive retard

>>174457158
>>174457147
It can't be that hard to figure out, right?
The habitat itself will make your modifier 1/number of colonies worse and the pops will make it 12/number of pops worse
So you just need to make sure the 99 research you get from a fully research focused habitat is more than that

>>174455275

Please respond ;_;

>>174457239
I uplift unless they're standing between a core world and the homeworld, in which case I'm about 50/50 to just wait until they nuke themselves.

>>174457239
muh prime directive

>>174457602
>have +500 research in all areas
>habitat will increase research by +50 in all areas
>effective 10% increase on total research per month
>habitat will increase all research costs by 22%
Need an actually clever person to do the maths. I'm two dum.

Desu I always go synth to just spare myself the pain in the ass of juggling fifty different subspecies migrating against their hab prefs and resource specs.

>>174457818
What's the benefit of Uplifting, in your opinion, as opposed to just wiping it clean and putting your own pop there, or sucking as much research out of them as you can before they kill themselves like you mentioned?

>>174456880
And this is why you doomstack

>>174457239
Influence until they have the same ethos
Uplift
Integrate
Enslave them because they're pig disgusting aliens

>>174457987
>>habitat will increase research by +50 in all areas
33 actually, right? The building gives +3 in everything and you have 11 slots to use
But yeah at that point your habitat will most likely not be worth it
but then again if you go by pure maths, at some point you should never expand but that's no fun

>>174458042
Why not just skip the middlemen and conquer them so you can make them a slave planet since they'll just be a mining world anyway unless they happen to have good traits for research? I always tend to conquer, enslave, and hand it over to a sector so I don't have to worry about it.

>psionics
>zionics
Literal mystical space judaism.

>>174457994
Not having to pay to upgrade the primitive civ myself, mainly. Also I tend to prefer to keep my core empire tall and abuse vassals and federations as a force multiplier.

>>174458225
road montalto

>psi
>tzi
>same letter

>>174458187
If you're playing tall then it could be pretty useful I guess

>>174456880
20/20/20/20x3 are you retarded? should be 15/20/60/200

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>>174453372
>everyone friendly
>fallen empires are essentially rendered harmless at this point
>can't win the game cause every planet is owned now, can't even get a federation win.

what do?

>>174458465
Wait until an endgame crisis destroys enough of the galaxy to rule the ashes?

>>174455653
Would eventually exhausting planets, stars and asteroids of resources be a good mechanic?
Of course, probably a very late game thing. Would make for fun times, make stockpiles actually important and shit.

>tfw you can mine millions of minerals from a small ass asteroid

>>174458187
33 but it'll be higher with all your boosts, by that point.
Stuff like the species manning the labs, the governor being an intellectual and that science ship you have in orbit firing a science beam at the habitat, or however the fuck assist works.

Really, the best thing to do for research is to build lots of science nexuses.

>tfw you realize that fanatic pacifist + xenophobe unity builds do fast research better than fanatic materialists because of early PSC and cheap research stations
This is fucked

>>174458187
We're forgetting modifiers in that.
The ascendancy perk gives +10%, the tradition +10%, 5 stars scientists give +10%, then there's their specialties, curator insight for another +15%, a governor could give an extra +10% to that habitat.

>>174458465
Wait for diplomacy dlc.

>>174458401
Corvettes a shit.

>>174458660
+assist
+PSC

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>>174458583
forgot pic

Is there honestly no 'dismantle federation' wargoal?

>Curse of the Shroud reduces sensor range by 50%
>the scientist in charge of the sentry array just lazily turns up the dial slightly and then goes back watching anime

>>174458710
not with neutron torpedos they ain't

>>174458660
>>174458597
Just for fun I tried to put some formulas in excel, assuming a civilization entirely made of habitats and each habitat giving +33 science, the time to research for a given tech cost actually converged to a number instead of growing larger after a certain number of habitats
I have no idea what this means, mathematically

>>174456191
I had sentient AI by 2234 thanks to infinity machine in my last game.

>>174458719
Oh yeah, PSC is another +100%.
So I guess habitats are okay.

>>174458868
Also tech going up with 1+(0.1*#habitats+0.12*#habitats) to simulate the tech penalty

Space borders were a mistake.
DW does this a lot better.

>>174458583
>galactic peak mineral

>>174459026
I think it is a slightly innovative and fun mechanic that goes a long way towards separating Stellaris from other 4X games

>>174458583
Only if each planet and asteroid had some base mineral and energy worth that you could exploit, which would lead to incredible spam and snowballing and...

On second thought maybe things are ok the way they are.

>>174459026
I love DW's border gore and crisscrossing empires, desu. If star empires were to exist IRL, that's probably how it'd go. I doubt any empire would just decide "everything within 50 light years is ours, nevermind that we'd never manage to explore it all in a thousands years".

Does assisting research always give a flat +10%, or does the research speed of the scientist commanding the ship matter as well?

>>174458583
I'd rather it be like Star Ruler 1.
When you mined out "all the ore", your mines function at half efficiency. That's good enough for me.

>>174459026
>tfw an allied empire squeaks in a border station and grabs a system you've got strategic good and stations in

>>174459426
I feel like part of the pain would be alleviated by things like federation members being able to give each other settling rights

>>174459426
It depends on how their FTL would work tbqh, criss crossing empires could be a massive weakness in any war.

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Oh great, first I couldn't even get to the ship, because I didn't had warp drive 2 and stagnancy blocked my only way to it, but now that I got the ship, it comes with warp drive 1, so I can move it to repair anyway.
And for 10 civilizations, there's only 2 that you can hope to build federacy with(and they both fucking slimy fishfolks, bluergh), so so much for muh diplomatic roleplay playthrough.
Wish there was mod or cheat that would allow to see what civilizations are there, without showing where, so you can choose if you want to roll with it, or generate new one.

>>174460291
You could also just pre-generate all non FE civs but that would be a bit excessive (it's a good idea to do it if you want to see the types that never spawn naturally like Migratory Flock or Metalheads though).

>>174460291
>unironically being a warpfag

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>>174460291
>warp

>>174460585
>>174460482
>spot the hyperfags

>>174453609
Tell us if they do anything.
My are bugged and I am not sure why. can be mods.

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>>174460630
>>174460663
>falling for the warp meme

>>174460630
>there are three initial types of FTL available
>one of them is objectively the best
>they're making fun of my choice
>I know I'll just pretend like they're using the worst one
What even

>>174460630
funny thing, because in this layout, if I had a hyperlane travel, I wouldn't even get to the system in the first place, because there would probably be no connection to other spiral, and the only way would be blocked by stagnancy.

>>174460737
>not falling for the wormhole mem

>>174460806
Use fucking wormhole
How retarded are you people?
>hurr durr they're shittalking warp that means they must be using hyperdrive

>>174460663
Are you ok anon?

>>174460806
The ends of Hyperlane arms have lanes into the inside.

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>putting disruptors on every single cruiser slot
>putting disruptors on all but 1 destroyer slot, the other being a fucking mining drone laser

The A"""""I""""" will never cease to amaze me in these games

There's a 100% chance hyperlane and warp fags are the same idiots who use battleships

>>174460973
I was just noticing what in this situation, warp was better.
You autists have to seriously stop getting all worked up about who plays with what, especially in RP playthrough.

>>174461087
Do they always? Well, doesn't matter, I'll drop that gameplay anyway.

>>174461148
Why you building so many armies son? Aren't defense armies better at keeping unrest down?
Also, what UI mod m9

>>174461290
I've played a large amount of spiral galaxies and never seen a dead end on the edge of the outer arms, you get dead ends but not normally at the tip of the arm.

>>174461290
>Do they always?
No. You are the most easily fucked by hyperlanes. Wormhole is great for the early game and mid game but late game you'd wish you had warp.

>>174461347

It's Dark UI. There's 2 versions, the one I use and another that includes icon color changes like ethics, traits, etc. The armies are assault armies, these cunts have Very Strong and defense armies on all their planets so I have to zerg the fuckers.

>>174458868
It's always worth it to build habitats just with increasingly diminishing returns. Having said that with the research penalty being... 11% flat per planet and some amount per pop, I doubt you did it right.

>>174461507
>but late game you'd wish you had warp
Not only is wormhole amazing at traversing your empire quickly in the lategame, there's also jump drive
How are you not using jump drive in the lategame?

>>174453784
>>174453784
jokes on u m8 this game is ez so you can pick whatever you like for better RP

>>174461529
Like I said it was just a theoretical example where all your planets are habitats
Here's what I did for the multiplier >>174459008, going up 0.1 of the cost for each habitat and another 0.12 for the pops you will grow on it
I've come to the conclusion that you can probably always build a full science habitat and become at least slightly faster in tech, considering how low the usual tech gain per pop is

Warp is fucking amazing lads. Why use Hyperdrive which is made up Star Wars shit or wormhole which is straight up SJW Mass Effect tier tumblrina garbage? Warp it niggers.

>>174461604
>Not only is wormhole amazing at traversing your empire quickly in the lategame
It's objectively not.
>How are you not using jump drive in the lategame
Not wanting to trigger the unbidden. RNGesus hasn't smiled upon you. Unless your definition of late game is when the galaxy has stagnated and you are just researching repeatable techs.

>>174461997
If you don't trigger the Unbidden another Empire will post-Banks

>>174461997
Oh wow, you said "objectively", that clearly means jumping 15 systems with 30 days of charging up is not insanely fast, somehow

>>174461952
The theory of Alcubierre warp drives is pretty badass

>>174461952
enjoy staying put for a month while I rape your fleet, your planets and your gf because "muh warp"

Is modding the game to 4 ethics points cheese, or only slightly so?

I want to do F.Xenophobe F.Materialist Cybex 2.0

>>174462145
I'm off to look that shit up.

>>174462145
It's p much unbuildable bullshit picked up by pop sci news sites, desu.

>>174462185
Oh shit warp only games require strategic thinking. In a strategy game. You have a negroids ability to plan ahead. A fucking negroid.

>unbidden spawn on top of a FE
>get shot
That was anticlimactic.

>>174462223

Meh, they're marginal stat increases. It's the events and restrictions where they get a bit fucky, like can't do X without or with Y stuff.

>>174462317
>warp only games require strategic thinking
top kek m8

>>174462117
Good luck catching anyone in a war.

>>174462223
Not like the difference between regular and fanatic even
Oh no your bonus increased by 5% surely this is the thing that will make your empire OP

>>174462424
Not an argument, my african-american friend.

>>174462262
>>174462232
>>174462145
The Alcubierre warp drive is a speculative idea based on a solution of Einstein's field equations in general relativity as proposed by Mexican theoretical physicist Miguel Alcubierre, by which a spacecraft could achieve apparent faster-than-light travel if a configurable energy-density field lower than that of vacuum could be created.

Rather than exceeding the speed of light within a local reference frame, a spacecraft would traverse distances by contracting space in front of it and expanding space behind it, resulting in effective faster-than-light travel. Objects cannot accelerate to the speed of light within normal spacetime; instead, the Alcubierre drive shifts space around an object so that the object would arrive at its destination faster than light would in normal space without breaking any physical laws.[1]

Although the metric proposed by Alcubierre is consistent with the Einstein field equations, it may not be physically meaningful, in which case a drive will not be possible. Even if it is physically meaningful, its possibility would not necessarily mean that a drive can be constructed. The proposed mechanism of the Alcubierre drive implies a negative energy density and therefore requires exotic matter. So if exotic matter with the correct properties does not exist, then the drive could not be constructed. However, at the close of his original article[2] Alcubierre argued (following an argument developed by physicists analyzing traversable wormholes[3][4]) that the Casimir vacuum between parallel plates could fulfill the negative-energy requirement for the Alcubierre drive.

General relativity does not incorporate quantum mechanics. Some physicists have presented arguments to suggest that a theory of quantum gravity (which would incorporate both theories) would eliminate those solutions in general relativity that allow for backwards time travel and thus make the Alcubierre drive invalid.

>>174462350
>prethoryn scourge arrive in fan mat FE
>FE pre-weakened
>win and infest ring worlds

>tfw declaring war on the big bad purifier of the galaxy
>tfw he's dumb enough to build subspace ftl defense base things on all his starports
>tfw dropping on them and deleting them instantly
>tfw setting them back 10s of thousands of minerals and many years, all within a few seconds

>>174462487
>Copypasting wikipedia.
Why.

>>174455982
Extra Core
Research
2 for evolution
4 for mega structures unless you're gay

>>174462454
Good luck protecting any of your worlds when I can jump straight on them

>>174462551
Fuck off jew

>>174462487
>mexican physicist
bet he designed the warp drive to ilegally cross the border

>>174462551
I thought I'd be doing them a solid

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>hit year 2300 with a 23 empire game
>game slows down by 50% at fastest speed

Research is far too fast in Stellaris. You can research EVERYTHING, except the repeatable techs, by the end of the first fucking century.

It's a bit dumb that you can catch up with all of these ancient alien races in such a short space of time.

>>174462487
Even if you were to manage to construct it theres a decent chance it would kill anything inside the bubble and anything at the arrival point.

>>174462597
Upboated

>>174462675
It's the Planetary Survey Corps tradition fucking things up. They'll probably tweak this.

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>watching warp and hyperdrive subhuman monkeys fling shit at each other
>sit back and laugh while I wormhole my entire doomstack from one end of my empire to the other in 3 months
>mfw

>>174462656
20 Empire Game
4 FE
2500 system galaxy

Works on my computer

>>174462782
There's also the chance you wouldn't be able to shut it off at all.

>>174462812
Small empire, that two jumps are enough.

Hyperdrive would be better if you didn't have to exit it unless there was an enemy ship or station in the path.

>>174462812
Wormhole would be good except it slow you down at the start of the game aka the most critical part of the game.

>>174462812
>takes you 2 months to move to another system
>warp and hyperdrive are dancing around you

>>174462579
He doesn't need to protect them. He sacrifices one, two at most and in the time it takes you to get there and capture it your wormhole network is dead and you're trapped.

The reason this never happens to you is because the AI is fucking retarded, it happens in multiplayer and wormholes are pretty shit there for that reason. The broken as fuck research tradition also makes wormholes pretty crappy right now

>>174462793
What's even the point of my building science habitats if people use that cheat tradition to finish the tech tree before me

>>174463069

>not making a mod that sets the psc value from 33% to 0.000000000000001%

life is great

yes, I tested it, it doesn't add a minimum of 1.

>>174463038
>The broken as fuck research tradition also makes wormholes pretty crappy right now
What?

>>174462949
Hyperdrive should have to fly across the entire system to get to the arrow pointing to the next one.

>>174463038
what the fuck does PSC have to do with wormholes

>>174463193

It sucks dick since you have to constantly build stations when you run out of surveyable lands

>>174462894
Might be the cut off point.

>>174462921
there's also the fact it's fucking bullshit behind 3 levels of conjecture and assumption

1.) "Loopholes" in Einstein's relativity are physically meaningful and not just quirks of mathematics
2.) That exotic (undiscovered) forms of matter have negative energy to be able to exploit these "loopholes"
3.) That Einstein's theories of relativity are the most accurate model.

>>174463269
how does that make it in any way worse, just immediately build one at the far end of your range
exploring with wormholes is still faster than warping from system to system, unless the autoexplore AI has found a polynomial solution to TSP while I wasn't looking

>>174460737
>Not using the supeior warm holes
Its like youre bad.

>>174463407

Because it's a fire and forget thing. Any other engine type just sticks on auto explore and forgets they exist. That's not the case with wormholes, you have to have multiple constructors out following their path building constant stations. Sometimes, you come across some big boy empire who you can't get wormhole access from, which means you are fucked even harder.

>>174463510
Ah yes, because with hyperdrive or warp, other empires in the way don't fuck you up.
Except Anon, wormholes have a bigger range, if you build a station close to the border, it's absolutely possible to jump past and behind, even early.

>>174463510
so the problem for you is "my science ships are more mobile so I actually get a bigger benefit but I have to build a station every once in a while"?

>>174463495
I want to use your superior warm hole

>>174463631
>>174463606

I don't think either of you understand the point of AUTOMATED explore. You click that. Then, you forget they exist. You do whatever it is the fuck you should be doing while listening to some annoying cunt saying "SYSTEM SURVEY COMPLETE" every 15 seconds.

Can't do that on your shitty wankholes, can ya

>>174463707
okay I understand it now, the problem for you is that you hate it when you actually play the game?

>>174463631
you'd need a pretty high APM and multitasking skills to micromanage 3 science ships going across the galaxy + 3 constructors + the rest of the game

>>174463791

>click constructor
>click space
>build wormhole

so fun! I love it!

>>174463842
It truly is the gameplay of our generation.

>>174463707
Yeah, I can do it, why?
Are you handicapped, maybe?

>>174463841
>MP fags don't know about pausing the game
I thought you would be too busy ruining the EU and HoI series to do anything else

>>174463841

>needing high apm in a pausable game

Really energizes my electrons

>>174463952
You can't do it.

>>174463707
>>174463841
Covering the galaxy with enough wormhole stations to jump everywhere doesn't even take long.
And it's surely done in less time that it takes for your science ships to scan all that shit.

>>174463963
>not playing max player MP at fastest no pause 150 star elliptical no FE final destination

>>174464058
>Covering the galaxy with enough wormhole stations to jump everywhere doesn't even take long.
Yes it does.

>>174464082

>no 8 fallen empires, all xenophobes, hypers only, 0.25x habitable planets

You're not even trying

Wormholes would be a lot more palatable if you could build them from galaxy view.

Preferably, it should be entirely possible to do EVERYTHING from galaxy view.

>>174462487
All of this is null if it turns out Einstein was wrong, something scientists are generally unwilling to challenge. It's assumed that he's right and that's the end of it.

I bet you can go faster than light with nothing happening except a great big light flash, like the sound when breaking the sound barrier.
Maybe you'll get an explosion and shit load of radiation.
Really, why would lightspeed be a speed limit, especially when it changes around a strong gravitational field?

Just you watch. They'll figure this shit out in about 60 years and I'll be laughing.

>>174464128
Stop lying, Anon.

>>174464168
>not modding the game so you are constantly at war all the time with all other Empires

Pathetic tbf

>>174464252
No anon, you'll be dying.

>>174464267
No. It takes ages.

>>174464168
>huge galaxy max empires max advanced max FE hypers only .25x habitable insane difficulty extremely aggressive 3x speed no pause

>>174464219
>Wormholes would be a lot more palatable if you could build them from galaxy view.
Yeah man I don't fucking understand why you can do it to frontier stations and mines but not wormhole stations
The randomness of Stellaris's UI information and quality of life features never fails to amaze me

>>174463963
My bad
You'd need about 2000 hours of free time to manually pause every 5 minutes and micromanage to get a 1.3x multiplier

>>174464252
>All of this is null if it turns out Einstein was wrong, something scientists are generally unwilling to challenge. It's assumed that he's right and that's the end of it.

Modern """science""" is almost a bad as the medieval papacy.

>>174464058
>doesn't even take that long
1000 stars in the biggest galaxy size, anon. That's 1000 systems you have to zoom into and manually place a station.

>>174464376

It's because wormholes have to be built in a specific place, probably too hard to tell constructors to go to some random fuck off place then build a wormholio there

>>174464351
Shouldn't it be x4 habitable planets so all the AIs grow a shitload while you can't keep up due to no pause?

>>174464376
I guess it's because you can actually choose "where" to place wormhole stations and defensive stations, and where you place them does actually matter, but come the fuck on.

It should be too hard to implement something that auto-places stations in areas where they're most likely to be useful.

>>174464347
>>174464429
What the fuck you don't need a station per system you tremendous retards.
Technology makes it even easier and makes it need even less stations.

>>174463842
Distant Worlds isn't any better.

>>174464429
silly anon, you don't need a 1:1 ratio, it'll just be 300 systems instead

>>174464542
>Technology makes it even easier and makes it need even less stations.
wrong

Is no pause ultimate woke playing method?

Is it worth it to hold my ascension perk for 8 years if that's when I get psionic theory?

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I guess i win.

>>174464464
As opposed to mining stations? Those don't need to be in a specific place?
Surely it must be possible to tell the AI to just build the thing right where it warps in
>>174464429
>one station per system
I had a nice kek
>>174464412
>1.3x multiplier
Haha holy shit warpfags are so slow that they only manage to survey one planet a month

>>174464464
It could just build at the point it lands when wormholing in. That's good enough most times.

>>174464623
Yes?
There's a line of technology that increases wormhole stations' range.

>>174464625
no pause slowest speed is the most woke way to play.

>>174464625
APM anon here, yes.
I work as a stockbroker and don't have the free time to pause shit every 5 minutes

>>174464625

>50 stars
>0.25x habitable worlds
>insane
>max fallen empries
>hyperlanes only
>battleships only
>extreme aggression
>no pause
>max speed
>no keyboard
>no discovery

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>warp into a heavily defended system
>be mp
>start a war
>enter home system
>fly over to the big clusterfuck of defenses
>battle begins
>hordes of missiles and fighters come screaming at my fleet
>flak
I can't imagine the absolute anal annihilation that he felt

>play as a french human empire
>Win the war against my neighbors who happen to be snails
>declare them livestock

>>174464648
Sure it is m8, not like you'll unlock another one that soon
I've held on to a slot for 20+ years because I wanted voidborne

>>174464664
>As opposed to mining stations

No, not really. The planetary body is easy to target; a random piece of space x amount of distance from the star isn't.

>>174464694
>>174464723
Both objectively wrong.

I don't unpause until I have imagined in my head what went on in my Empire's throne room on that day.

>>174464753
I love watching missiles and enemy fighters try to fly towards a fleet kitted out with full flak defenses.

It's like they fly into a wall, way ahead of the fleet, and disappear.

>>174464929
RPing is the patrician way of playing the game

>Not imagining the orders you give to your Admirals as you deploy the Grand Fleet to the front

>>174464929
I hope you play with chemical bliss domestic slaves.

How would you even make the LoGH Terrans? I'm thinking Spiritualist, Pacifist Xenophobes with Holy Tribunal but I watched that anime years ago so all I remember is Kircheis memes.

>>174464464
They could easily just default the ai to "as close as possible to the point you jumped in the system"

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About to play Stellaris for the first time, anything I should know?

>>174465128
RPfags are fucking retarded
>ruler of the empire directly giving the admirals orders

>>174465228

Don't fall for the hyperlanes only meme
Don't fall for the warp is good meme
Don't fall for the wormholes are the best engines meme

does anyone here have any good missile strats

>>174464929
>no CK Stellaris
>no "You manage stuff and do things, but there's lot of competent ai that does all the things you're not capable of doing at once, automation of things is actually good, and ai isn't shit, so you can focus more on RP events and life choices, with lots of variety in them, so you can get ultimate space opera/strategy/RP game, where you follow life of leaders of nation, or even focus on one leader that enchances his life through science, so you can immerse yourself even easier."

>>174465252
>not micromanaging and turning the Chief of Naval Ops into your bitch secretary

>>174465228
Use wormholes while allowing other FTL methods so you can laugh at the AI empires using objectively inferior methods
Don't use battleships
Get the tile blocker ascension perk ASAP

>>174465150
I loved the idea of chemical bliss but didn't realise it takes away all your minerals and food so I turned it off and then they all got withdrawal symptoms which was about the same.

>>174465128
I don't pause it every day but CK2 taught me to really get into my gsg. It's fun as fuck when you don't have to min/max like fuck just to beat an AI that is already easy to beat.

Is there any way to get the Stellaris DLC's for free?

>>174465210
No one except Yang (and some of his inner circle but even then) is a pacifist in Logh. The Terran Cul/phezzan keeps wars going, the Empire wants to conquer everything and the Alliance wanted wars to keep their approval ratings up.

>>174465228
Missiles are good in early game, kinetic is good for late game.
Don't fuck with Fallen Empires, they are grouchy like an old man. An old man with a nuclear bomb.
Bombers are less interesting than fighters.
Don't spread too thin, you get maluses on research.

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>>174464252
>I don't have a background in physics but I know it's all hogwash: the post

>>174465332
Otoh, CK1 and launch CK2 were kinda garbage

>>174465318

Rush Coilguns, railguns, advanced railguns, kinetic batteries and then finally Kinetic Artillery. Put them on wherever you'd put missile slots.

>>174465440
ask very nicely on r/stellaris for some gold

>>174465418
>CK2 taught me to really get into my gsg. It's fun as fuck when you don't have to min/max like fuck just to beat an AI that is already easy to beat
Fuck off man, minmaxing is fun
An entire dynasty of genius grey eminence dudes is GOAT
>>174465440
Naw man, acquiring software for free is impossible

>>174465228
Don't use missiles
Don't use warp or hyperlanes
Don't use battleships
Don't pick Mastery of Nature
Build an extra science ship asap
rush colonies asap
EXPAND EXPAND EXPAND

>>174465542
I remember /gsg/ had a link to the eu4 dlc's, I imagine this isn't possible with Stellaris?

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>>174465440
is this your first day on the internet?

>>174465638
are u retarded

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That's a lot of NAPs

What are they planning?

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OK, I went and did the calculations for habitats as science stations and their effect on research time.

I decided to go with just the base 5k research cost for a late-tier tech to reduce factors and reveal the underlying pattern.

To start off with, we've got a baseline 1 planet, 15 pops, 10 science. Easy.

Then, we expand to 5 planets and a respectable 75 pops. Let's say you got good planets. tripled that science output. Nice, although it's not really big, but you're making minerals and stuff.

Then we get to 12 planets with 200 pops. A little on the low end, but you've got some good planets and some bad planets. You only doubled your research from having 5 planets, and your time to research hasn't changed much at all since you've doubled your cost as well.

Then we start cranking out science habitats. Ever single "planet" after 12 is a research station, with 12 pops, and filled with 11 science-producing buildings, making 33 science apiece.

As you can see, after about 423 science (12 planets, 11 habitats) your time to research time is 76. In order to get that down to 50, you need to build 19 more science habitats. Mind, those habitats are going to cost a pretty penny in terms of energy.

Ok, so that said, let's say you colonize 5 more 20-size planets. Nice. None of them make any science. Your research time goes back up to 56 months.

So, you still get diminishing returns on your science output, but you also get diminishing penalties for having larger empires. Just don't neglect science and you'll be fine.

>>174465465
Pacifist is mostly so they don't get an actively interventionist personality even if it doesn't fit, I feel like Xenophobic Isolationist is the only one that sort of fits besides maybe hardcoding them to be a Religious FE

I'm pretty sure the terran cult never actually moves in front of the scenes but like I said, it's been years now.

>>174465332

>Be some Ulfing fuckwit in viking Sweden
>get immortal trait from negress
>build Scandinavian Empire
>watch it all fall apart

>Immortal Ulfing goes south
>serves as the Shadow Ruler of the Holy Roman Empire using his great wisdom and cunning to help them out
>takes over the entire earth in EU4

>use traits mod to get the immortal trait in Stellaris
>continue RPing that same 11th century pirate 1200 years later

It's autism, but it's been fun.

>>174465683
>guarantees
>NAPs
Anon are you okay

>>174465670
no, I just hadn't seen them anywhere.
>>174465651
fuck off nigger

>>174465694
thank you mr. autism

>>174465503
but what if I want some strikecraft like those cool amoeba thingies on my neat battleships

>>174465556
>An entire dynasty of genius grey eminence dudes is GOAT
Oh, I always went for strong/genius or midas touched or grey eminence. That's just good breeding.

>>174465715
They got pretty excessively interventionist towards the end, fanatic spiritualist, authoritarians might work Rip Yang

Are there combat modifiers for flanking enemies? As in: have one fleet attack them from the front and the other from the side?

Or should one only use a single doomstack

>>174465776
Literally the only sane use case for strike craft is as interceptors, bombing craft is suicide. At least I guess you can be happy that no one died with your amoeba drones.

>>174465776

You can instead research red leasers, blue lasers, uv lasers, x-ray lasers, gamma lasers, particle lances then finally tachyon lances to get a ship module that's just as useless.

>>174465840
No modifiers for flanking, XL mounts can't rotate though.

>>174465670
>>174465651
nevermind I am a retard

>>174465762
Yeah because entering a formula and draggon the mouse along is "autism" now
>>174465694
Interesting, so basically we can see science habitats as a positive modifier for your empire
You can just expand regularly along planets like you always would, and it will always be beneficial to build another science habitat

>>174465815
>tfw the chosen one to inherit the two biggest chunks of land (France+half of Spain+HRE+Italy) is born
>inbred clubfoot
T-thanks

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>>174465840
>he actually thought Stellaris had engaging combat

I'm so sorry anon

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snek > wide > tall

>>174465418
If you want to really RP and micromanage their population you can use chemical bliss half effectively for a single domestic slave on each world.

I would say it'd be useful for pops you're purging but they don't have access to do it, same with Livestock.

>>174466043
Doesn't look anything like your empire logo anymore, 0/10

Stellaris: Trying to manage my population in that only slaves take minerals/food and my real population takes everything else.

Is there a way to purge/get rid of individual citizens?

>>174466024
It still looks cool.

Its my first grand strategy and its a lot of fun.

>>174465560
>don't pick MoN
shit advice do not follow

>>174466167
Stellaris isn't really a grand strategy yet, its a space 4x

>>174466125
Displace button

>>174466167
I'm not denying it's fun. I've been enjoying myself with Stellaris a lot.
.
It is much closer to a 4X than a GS though. And good thing though since it doesn't have to go on /gsg/ then.

But yeah the combat is pretty trash, I wish you had at least direct control over battles so that it wasn't just a numbers game.

how to play no-lethal stellaris warp run?

>>174466285
>>174466213
Shut the fuck up about it being a space 4X
It has fucking warscore costs for planets, come on
It's an unholy chimaera of both

>>174465228
The Jeune Ecole rules the roost and Mahan sucks cock
If you use advanced starts, remember that Hives and Purifiers are 100% likely to be one of them and they find you nutritious
The worm loves you

>>174466387
by your logic Civ VI is a cross because it has a rudimentary casus belli system

>>174465931
The chart ignores the costs of the habitats. I guess you could get a dyson sphere or something to pay for them, but yes, if you build science-only habitats, you're not going to get bad returns for a while, if ever. It's also ignoring how long it takes you to get to 12 pops in a habitat, etc.

So, basically, expansion in general in Stellaris is not bad, but after a while your research gets slower faster than it gets faster because the repeatable techs cost more after each step, and you won't be able to keep up expanding quickly enough.

>>174466060
The Empire I was using chemical bliss with wasn't allowed to purge/enslave. I was using it on uplifted mushroom anus things because they were so unhappy.

Hey. I'm playing Stellaris and have some Robot/Droid pops and can't disassemble them. Did they move the button which you did that or is there something wrong? I'm playing pirate.

what's the empire wide best policy in stellaris?

>>174466387
If warscore is what defines GS, well, that genre is a travesty.

>>174466480
Yeah the tech system is just barely shitty enough to completely discourage me from trying to minmax it
You finish the tech tree and then get a bunch of repeatable techs that quickly become unreasonably expensive, I hate that shit
>>174466556
>have some Robot/Droid pops and can't disassemble them
PANIC
>>174466603
Unrestricted Wars

>>174466556
Get your flesh citizens out of there, vassalize the world, declare war, nuke it from orbit, then exterminatus the rubble

>>174466603
Purging allowed

>>174466717
who changes unrestricted wars over than paci-cucks

So is Extra-Dimensional weaponry pretty useful? I feel like, if nothing else, it's a hell of a lightshow.

>>174466848
>tfw it takes full Diplomatic Ideas to get that one annoying pacifist associate to trust our federation enough to join
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE YOU MORON

>>174466848
I don't fucking know man, I'm not the one who asked such a weird fucking questions
Okay I change my answer to minimum food stockpiles

Are there any inherent boni to government types? Because the mandates from democracies seem really strong.

>>174465228
Missiles are OK early game, but absolutely trash for late game because they disappear from reality when their target dies, so you can have 500 missiles fire at one target, 20 kills it, and 480 are wasted. Not a situation in early game, happens in late game.

Any of the FTL techs are OK, but warp is easiest.

Battleships are expensive but can be #worth if you don't use XL weapons and can compensate for their inability to hit small craft with large weapons (either use fighters or smaller-size weapons).

Try to make friends and not enemies.

Don't forget to expand, but if you have a choice between expanding to a 20-size planet and a 10-size planet, take the 20-size one.

You can build more constructors and science ships. More science ships are useful. More constructors can be useful, but there's only so many planets to build over so you probably won't need more unless you want to build static defense balls of death.

What was will be, what will be was.

is it better, as a slaver state, to rush for share the burden or just generally the grand fleet for social policy?

>>174465228
Do the opposite of what this general tells you to

>>174467013
>seem
It really is pretty good, you're basically shitting out planetary decrees and colonies every mandate while keeping up empire-wide decrees full time.

>>174466848
I can see people doing it to push up a bit of happiness with a whiny faction so they can get some extra influence.

>>174467013
Not really, Oligarchs,autocracies and imperial systems get agendas which functionally means oligarchy is the only non-democratic government type worth using as it lets you choose your agenda.

>>174467083
>Try to make friends and not enemies.
Look at this faggot and laugh
You don't need friends when you can just conquer planets to make your enemies weaker

>>174467143
I hate that Egalitarian cucks gain so much support under democracies, though.

And I can never seem to stomp them down, even with bonuses from Spiritualist and other governing ethics shit

>>174467091
Always do the opposite of what /vg/, or /v/, or /pol/, or /a/, or absolutely anywhere on this whole fucking site tells you to do.

>>174466242
Where the hell is that at?

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anyone got a link to utopia dlc?

>>174467206
>>174467143
Currently playing as imperium and it seems pretty dumb actually to restrict myself to random agendas.

>>174466821
I'm pacifist and can't resettle. Also, I want to clean up lots of pops in many planets, but not to get rid of them.
And I don't plan on changing policies now.

>>174467242
It's advice to a new player. If you don't have a good handle on tech tree progression and fleet pacing, you shouldn't get into a war.

>>174467309
Google it.

>>174467281
When you click a pop on a planet, under their portrait
Right next to the species rights link

>>174467206
>playing fanatical purifier Imperial
>ruler has "xeno outreach" agenda

>>174467206
What are agendas? I've only played dictatorships so far and sometimes I see a little -25% build cost or something agenda under my leader portrait but I have no clue what that is or where it comes from

>>174467525
every ruler has an agenda which is just a few buffs for however long they are in power, afaik they're not determined by ethics or civics though so you can literally get completely useless ones for your empire

>>174467525
If you check your government screen you'll see what agenda you have. They're bonuses in certain areas. For oligarchies and dictatorships you can choose which one you get for 250 influence in an election otherwise you get one at random. For imperial systems you get what you're given.

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>>174465228
the elephant perk is really good for a beginner

the +15 perk is good enough, +75 is ludicrous

>>174456191
Like the other anon said infinity machine can get you sentient AI extremely fast

>>174467676
>>174467674
I see
I'm usually at the influence cap because I don't bother with edicts, are there any drawbacks to playing a democracy so I can influence elections?

>>174467376
Can you send me a fucking screenshot? Cause god damn, I cannot find what you're talking about