Etrian Odyssey General

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fluff

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puffpuff?

>>174351438
>EOMD2
So is there like a huge fanbase overlap in Japan between the two games?

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big explorer titties

>>174351769
Game literally sold out the stock in Japan the first-second week

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Explorers are declining.

>>174351907
That's pretty impressive

I find MD to be a bit too much of a baby roguelike to love

I want an Etrian Odyssey anime with a new cast of characters every week, and it's a bunch of cute girls getting into wacky adventurers and exploring mysterious dungeons.

The catch is, anywhere between none and all of the characters would die by the end of the episode, and each show would end with either a victory, a party-wipe, or just one or two of the characters barely escaping back to the town, missing their friends.

I'd watch it every week.

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>there will never be another dungeon crawler like baroque ever again

Anyone played that PSP madoka magica roguelike first person dungeon crawler?

I'm very curious as to how that game is.

>>174351438
How are they gonna win with such a party

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>>174352305

You're getting an isekai harem and you're gonna like it.

>>174353472
Casual is the only explanation.
They don't have enough damage to finish the fight quickly and accumulated resistances will kill Nighteeker outright while at least hampering Sniper.

>>174352305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41TGtPHoOlI
>>174354356
>accumulated resistances
runemaster can run curse ink, he's not much useful on saviour itself

>>174353472
Origin rune

>>174353472
star drop

>>174354804
overrated

>>174355013
Origin Rune is broken in the last stratum

>>174355054
On normal encounters and trigourd

>>174357863

buy underwater ray romano, good goy

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Regal radiance.

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>>174359610
Not sure i want to play some weird game because of waifus

>>174359721
The hell is that

>>174360415
Nintendo's Persona

>>174360415
EO3 Untold.

>>174360536
Why does it exist

>>174360660
Executives and moneys.

>>174360660
Because Persona makes loads of cash and nintendo needs new games to sell their consoles?

>>174360536
Weirdly enough it's way more like DDS and Nocturne than Persona.

>>174363326
It's not on the switch though?

>>174363917
I really hate the streamlined skill system.
There is so little control in what skill you want, it's either take the skill or throw it away forever.

>>174360536
More like Strange Journey x FE

>>174364543
>throw it away forever
You just need to reforge the weapon.
>captcha: elmex gaylord

>>174364725
Oh that's much better.

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>>174363917
It's actually more SMT than SMT these days.

>>174364938
Yeah, P5 isn't perfect but it was nice playing a game with actual designed dungeons for a change

>>174365450
this meme is still alive?

>>174365898
All i get is that nene is to blame again

>>174366592
you mean teach

>>174366592

It's an "everyone bully the new game" episode.

>>174366592
I don't know what gunner ranted about but Nene did apologize. Or sympathize.

I'm replaying EO2U story mode and as it turns out it is never mentioned that the Duke needs the Grail of Kings.
He is seemingly healed just with the Salamander Plume and the Snow Bloom.
Even Gradriel only talks about how the Grail is needed to safe the land from the Calamity.

So it seems Fafnir blasting off doesn't equal regicide... Too bad.
But it makes the ending ever so slightly less stupid. Very slightly.

>>174366592
Fencer is saying that the game came out great, then Teach starts dissing her colors, gunner says that they bragged about being able to change accessories and shit, and then the ninja says if that's truly what the fans want, only to be chased away by the sekaiju police.

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'erbalists>medics

>>174368614
It's like the duke ceases to exist anyway. They act as if Gradriel had been ruling over High Lagaard since forever.

>>174370308
>bragged about changing accesories
>ended up being the game with the most copypasted clothes and weapons ever
The irony.

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>>174370583

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She is very attractive

>>174370805
At least he introduces her as the daughter of the Duke.
And if he truely is bed ridden and only in the process of recovering it would make sense for her to be temporarely ruling in his stead.

>>174371167
Yeah, but after that couple of quests, she acts like she had been doing that stuff for a very long time - and will continue to do. It's all very weird.

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>>174370583
Try again

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>>174371383
>posting the wrong medic

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>>174371112
EO4 had great portraits.

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>>174371112
wrong colour

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>>174372583

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>>174372719
Wrong color

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>>174372719
>>174373141
Wrong dancer

>>174372643
lowest point in the series

Some of the 2u quests have happier resolutions in storymode than they did in the original game.

Was this the case for EOU too?

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>>174374485
I'll burn you

>>174374421
gays are not allowed
>>174374485
>2
>3
nice try

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>>174375938
I can't hear u senpai

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>>174376358
Go visit a glasses medic then

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>>174376532
The what medic? The scruffy one?

>>174376654
I don't think you need to become any more gay

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>>174374824
I'm going to bully the fluffer.

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>>174376807
I don't need to.... But I'm going to anyway ( ˘ω˘ )

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it's okay, they're actually girls

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>>174377280

The weak should fear the strong.

>>174378067
>berserker king died from cuteness overload

>>174374779
which?

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This is your farmer for tonight.

>>174378306
Beowulf guild stuff and one of the sidequests, can't remember what

>>174378385
Kupala goes to live in your mansion/ become a spear

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>>174378385
Will EO3U save Hypatia?

>>174378025
Delet this

>>174378812
No, sluts are supposed to be removed

>>174381472

touch fluffy ears

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>>174378025
My bromance is a girl, I need to sit down.

EO5 is going to be P2PEP all over again

>they've localized every single other game, there's no way they're gonna skip this one
>5 years later....

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>>174386573
At least I'll know enough nip to play the game in like 2 years.
Right?

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>>174387469

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>>174387579

>>174387579
Don't remind me

もう諦めちゃった

>>174386573
I could understand skipping P2PEP because the PSP was literally on its dying breath at the time and Sony was trying to get people over to next gen.

The Switch is still relatively new so Atlus is only wasting time by delaying the game.

>>174388963
9 months was already a record for longest wait in the series, by the time they do announce and release it, it's gonna be a year, and that's some PS2 era bullshit right there.

>>174389276
Atlus NA is so out of touch with its fans its insane.

>>174389372
Gotta love that 4 or 5 years ago they said that they were gonna work closer with the Japanese branch since they got a new CEO for Atlus US so they could have more timely localizations (which was true, for like 2 games SMT4 and EOU), and less than 2 years later that shit went down the toilet once Sega bought them. What's more baffling is that Atlus and Sega US are basally just one big entity now, and you still have the P5 fuck up happen.

What if the reason EOV is neVer eVer is because they'll release it after a long ass time and it'll be The End of A Long Myth

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how many others are redpilled on trees

>>174390452
I'm pretty sure the English title is Beyond the Legend, since that's what it's listed as in the eshop, unfortunately.
I don't know what they were thinking with that one, it sounds much less interesting.

>>174391690
It's a title that's only suited to a game with a narrator telling his grankids how it *really* happened

>>174390452

果てmeans "end" as in "to the ends of the world" and not as in "the end of the story.

eo5 never ever

it's just not fair bros

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Etrian odyssey dakimakuras when :(

>>174397585
Same time as EOV English.

>>174397585
I want a fluffmaster woolen daki.

So, EOV have less content than 3 and 4?

I mean, im on dungeon8floor. But still i don't see any mini-game like Ship in 3 or Airship in 4. EO3 monsters, ALL of them had conditional drop. And there was lots of them. And we had only day/night encounters. EO4 has less conditional drop and some night encounters, i think.

EO5 doesnt have night encounters, almost no condotional drop, and somewhat not much monsters at all. ANd we don't have that big minigame with exploring.

This is, you know, like final fantasy, where we had triple triad/tetra master, chocobo hot and cold, and other things, and now we don't even have final fantasy games at all.

>>174400863
No minigames, just more dungeon floors.

>>174400863
i didn't notice more or less conditionals
keep in my EO 3 and 4 recycled monsters by the truckload

>>174400863
Come back when you first enter the fifth stratum with the FM soundtrack on.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the game gets good 20 hours in.

>strage journey gets localized before EOV

>>174400863
They mentioned from the very beginning they were going back EO1 style, nothing but dungeon crawling and no subclassing

>>174401956

Well they've already got 90% of the game translated by default.

>>174401628
i cant play with music, i'm playing on the work. though, i remember, EO3 had a lot of good music, like THOSE WHO SLAY AND FALL, and others. and pair of battle themes in EO4.

and well, it's not like i think EO5 is bad game. i think it's still better than, like, SMT4, as example. But it has way less content than previous games :( i liked that ship game in 3.

>>174402557
Are you treating EO as a time waster?

>>174403079
Are you saying EO isn't a time waster?

>>174403079
why not? i have a lot of time ->>i need to waste it --> i'm playing EO. maybe some smt4/final/soul hackers. maybe some dragon quest.

it's simple games, without plot, without characters, without CG movies, craphics, with a small soundtrack. it IS a time waster. It's not like i'm losing anything, not playing EO games alone in a big room with a giant screen and good 5:1 sound system. I like these games but they are simple, like some diablo.

that's why, actually, i'm going with 3ds, not some psp or vita, or something. there are lots of this "time waster" games.

Somebody slay this normie.

>>174375938
>either of those worse than 4
kek

>>174403528
EO is life

>>174404629
What is life but a waste of time?

>>174401628
I think it got good before 20 hours in.

I was having a good time basically the whole way through, though the time between wanting to expand my skill trees and finishing the second stratum wasn't particularly fun.

I successfully beat the Red Dragon. I'd like to thank my parents, loving wife, and everyone at /eog/.

Now for the other colours.

>>174405908
>loving wife
I hope you mean waifu. Cheating on your guild members with some 3D wrench is not allowed.

Whips or Swords? Which is better for Sovereigns to use?

>>174406653
staff or dragonbane

>>174406653
The answer is staffs.
Sovereigns don't have the VIT to stay on the frontline - don't let heavy armor and shields fool you, they take a ton of damage from physical hits.
The TEC on staffs increases the healing of Protect Order and the damage of both Link Order's.
Since Sovereign has a ton of TP there is no reason to ever use normal attacks after the very early game - just spam Link Order if you have nothing else to do with her.

>>174406882
>Dragonsbane
Kek

>>174406930
Mine is on the front lines cause i have a Hit Taker Beast and she doesn't have Link Order yet

>>174407152
Link Order deals some TEC damage as well as 40% of the attack that activated it even with only one point invested in it.
That should be way more than having her try to physically attack enemies with her noodle arms.

>>174407152
Do you have a Landsknecht with an axe?
If not you most likely have no other person dealing bash damge so staffs could give you that damage type.
If you have someone else dealing bash (Beast does not count - they should be tanking at all times) swords have higher ATK than whips.

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>>174409516
Remove medic (female)

>>174409751
I wonder why they made 3 female medics and only one guy

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>>174409751

>>174409835
Cus scruffy is daddy and daddy's gotta take care of the kiddies

>>174410791

I want to hug Megane.

>>174411165
I want to headpat her.

>pirate all the untold 2 dlc because fuck paying for a class they've taken out of the game
>dlc includes a quest that is one easy battle on 1f for several thousand gold
Wut

Are the dlc quests just designed to make the game brokenly easy?

>>174414025
Yeah they even give recipes that either massively up your drop, exp or premium rates

>>174414025
Grind DLC is nice to run more than one party worth of explorers.
Grinding if you only use one party in the 3DS EOs is always retarded since you are robbing yourself of any challenge so the grind DLC is just an option to make the game worse for yourself.
And you can already do that with Picnic which is free of charge.

One month and one day until the belated birthday stream.
How do you think they will disappoint us this time?

No EO3U is basically a given, no talk about anything outside of Japan (like EOV localisation) also. But what else?
Persona Q 2?
EO x Disgaea?

>>174409751
remove gays

>>174389934
>baffling
>Sega "just fuck my shit up" is involved
It's baffling Atlus is still floating after Failure Inc. bought it.

>>174416452
>EO X Disgaea
>More Big Numbers and Lolis

>>174414025
The grimoire ones save a lot of time spent waiting for RNG to give you what you want

>>174416452
Now that SEGA owns Atlus, we can finally get EO x 7th Dragon

>>174416452
EO x 7th Dragon.
Which would be basically EO in 3rd person, much easier and with long, unskippable animations for all skills.

>>174417165
>>174417198
The only 7th Dragon game which matters is already pretty much "What if EO was an RPG"

>>174416452
Persona Q2

>>174417263
>The first one is the only one that matters
I still don't know how you can pretend that was way better than the others when the game spammed damage tiles when it was going out of style and it was still just as easy.

>>174417409
>pretend
You don't have to pretend to not like some generic weebshit with no connection to series whatsoever

>>174416452
EO open world game with crafting and stealth elements outsourced to western developers.

>>174417492
You can just say that you never played them anon.

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>>174417520
Don't even fucking joke like that

>>174417707
too hard to play while vomiting

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>>174416452

EO x Phantasy Star

EO x FE

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>>174418208

>>174418208
Every portrait is a shallow waifu edition.

>>174418637
Isn't that already EO?

>>174418637
So EO? Most of you don't pick male portraits.

>other than that literal who game that was never localized,Himukai will never work on a non-EO game

>>174418915
Not my fault female portraits are usually better

Which game should I start with as a newcomer?
I learned about the series through PersonaQ and I like the concept(building a balanced party and dungeon crawling), however I didn't like how some dungeons dragged on to long, and instant kills were the best tactic for dealing with most encounters, is the series in general like this?

>>174419572
4 is the best point to start, follow with EOU and EO2U

>never kill the Great Dragon
>have Abigail as guildmaster forever
I can deal with this, her lines are cute.

>>174419014
I was initially extremely excited to learn that Himukai worked on a Vanillaware game, but it's an NDS title where you look after moe animal girls in a zoo.
I did not expect to find this.

>>174419572
No. Persona Q is pretty hated in the community not only for the horrible writing but also for the underwhelming gameplay.

Instant death is something that only few skills ever have attached to them and even then it's not your go-to tactic but just something that can sometimes happen to make your life easier.

EO has proper defensive skills (something I found sorely lacking in Persona Q), has healing classes that aren't run dry after a few casts is more about finding the right use for the tools other classes have.
You are not constantly rolling the dice for instant death or knockdown or to see if your character that just hit a weakness will be attacked or not.

Generally EO is seen as a rather hard series and EOIV is the best gateway to learn how it works since it's the easiest.
All classes are pretty strong and as long as your team makes somewhat sense you will be able to make it through.

But since you would use a lot of QoL maybe Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold: The Fafnir Knight would be a better entrance point.
While it is the last entry in the series (available in the west) it also is the most polished in terms of gameplay.

So Etrian Odyssey 4 if you want an easy entry (it also is on sale rather often and seems to be 10€ in EU constantly) and Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold if you want the smoothest experience.

Btw. only Untold and 2 Untold have a story mode that has your characters talk - all other EOs have a storyline (that is more or less developed) but all your guild members are mute. But you can build your party whereas story mode gives you a fixed party to work with.
Classic mode offers that for both Untolds.

>>174418885
EO characters outside of story mode have no given personalities so they are as shallow or as deep as you want.
FE charactes have personalities and most of them are "fuck me because I'm sad", "fuck me because I want to fuck you" or "fuck me because I'm creepy".

Having portraits talk in EMD is bad enough, seeing them defiled by waifu emblem would be too much.

Unless they find their spine and kick romance options out to make a game like FE used to be.
But that wouldn't get you the neckbeard monies.

>>174420474
>make a game like FE used to be.
So it becomes just as forgotten as before? Not ever happening

>>174420217
Thank you for your detailled response!
I think I'll test the waters with EO4 then, as it's only 10 bucks for me in Europe, from reading the pastebin it already seems deeper/more interesting than PersonaQ, which I only got because of the Persona drought before 5 came out.

>>174420841
it has a demo so try it first

>>174420742
Also old FE fucking sucked

>it was better because I had to reload until I got the right stat gain on level up
>and because nobody else played

Well done autists upset that people are actually playing your game now

>>174420913
Awakening kinda sucks either, AI is still horrible and it's barely engaging

>>174420841
Persona Q is kinda a worst of both worlds situation

There's posters here who love both series and hate it

>>174420913
Well you can certainly say that the characters and story took a nose dive in Fates/Awakening, being nothing more than 1-2 anime tropes per character usually, being super horny for the self-insert included of course.

I'd welcome an older style FE, with improved gameplay, less luck reliant level ups, but less waifu pandering, sadly that won't sell as well as what they are currently doing.

>>174420989
It was about as bad as the decade of FE's before it but it had more polish so it was more tollerable

>>174420841
All 3DS EOs have demos on the e-shop and you can transfer your safegame to the real deal should you buy it later on.

So you can try it out first - but in EU there is really not much you can do wrong since EOIV is so utterly cheap in the e-shop.

EO x Space Channel 5
EO x Yakuza
EO x Sonic

>>174420913
When people speak of old FE, they're usually talking about 4 and 5, which, while fantastic, are nothing like the other FE games.

The semi-mythical status old FE has now is mostly undeserved beyond those two 20 year old titles, but most of the other games are at least decent, which can't be really said for the modern incarnations.

>>174421234
When it comes to writing alone you don't even need to go back that far.
Even Path of Radiance had some non-horrible characters (although Radiant Dawn added many horrible ones).

Just try to imagine someone like Titania in any current FE.
It's impossible since after talking to the self-insert MC twice she would need to constantly blush and be flustered or else you could never sell all those low quality figurines of her in a swim suit...

>>174421229
>EO x Sonic
Only if Big the Cat takes the role of a Hit-Taker Beast.

>>174425005
Ricky running through labyrinth at incredibly hihg speed

>story mode
>half the fucking dialogue is having dinner with people
ree let me go back to dungeoncrawling

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>>174425165
>he doesn't want to have dinner

Let's be honest, the only crossover we're ever likely to get is with SMT.
And I'd be okay with that

>>174425165
Actually I prefer it this way - Chloe has some character development during these sections and they flesh out the entire party and Regina a bit more.
But you also know that they won't say anything actually important while talking about food so you can just smash the A button if you want to skip it.

Imagine if for example all of these conversations would interupt your normal dungeon crawling and you could never skip it in fear of missing something important.

>>174426019
It already exists and is called Strange Journey.
A remake has been announced with Deep Strange Journey so I can't see them throw out another crossover with SMT in the near future.

>>174426360
Strange Journey doesn't really have that much in common with EO. SMT has been a first-person crawler many times before that.

>>174425165
>plays story mode
>doesn't want dialogue
>reee
Clinically retarded

>>174427098
It's called story mode not "it's lunchtime" mode

>>174426665
But then how would EO x SMT look?
Like Persona Q but every base unit is a functioning class?
Demons being some sort of evolving Grimoire stone could actually be interesting.

>>174427197
Oh, so you only want the chuunibyou stuff. Then it's just a case of having shit taste.

>>174427197
It's lunchtime - not every day but when it's lunchtime it's lunchtime four to twelve times in a row.

>>174425165
Literally just play classic

>>174427303
It's an alternate EO1 timeline where the adventures enter Shinjuku after the conception, instead of it being a stupid 'it was Earth all along' moment.

>be autistic
>hate text
>what gamemode should i play - one with more text or the one with less?
>ONE WITH MORE SO I CAN COMPLAIN LIKE A RETARD

>>174427806
it's not any stupider than some isekai nocturne shit

>>174427914
>like story
>pick story
>complain when 80% of story consists of "I like meat, let's have dinner at the inn"

>>174428331
>80%
nice exaggeration

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>Sixteen years old

>>174428331
>like story
>pick story
>complain when 80% of story consists of "We have to catch Professor Moriarty"

>>174428524
>Chloe's hotspring sprite

>>174428524
I don't care for their canonical ages.
These are my explorers and they are as old as I damn well please.

Loli Troubadour is a broken 35 year old and I won't let anyone tell me otherwise.

>>174429680
Nice headcanons fag

>>174421080
>>174423583

FE's characters never actually evolved beyond 1-3 basic character traits outside of the story relevant ones and even then that's arguable since quite a few of the plot relevant characters are a bit one note. The difference is that the new games gives them significantly more lines due to supporting everyone that characters like say Mia who basically don't have a personality beyond genki fight sexual get their lack of a character shown due to 700+ lines of repetitive supports.

Although for what its worth, no matter how much you might hate it, the modern characters on average do have more of a personality than say Fred in FE5 or the legions of whos that exist solely to fill out your roster in 1 such as Dolph and Macellan.

EO x FE could work providing that they either take the EO characters and classes and transplant into a SRPG or they take the FE characters/classes and put them into a nice little dungeon crawler.

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>>174429680

>>174431920
That's the stare of someone who has been treated like a child for 20 years longer than it is appropiate.

>>174433298
So just like you?

>>174420474
Isn't the latest game (that remake) more like the older titles? No romance bullshit and more serious approach? At least that's what I gathered from the trailers.

>>174433536
>believing trailers
FE is now a waifufag paradise

>>174433641
Then you've surely got proof of it? No, Awakening and Fates aren't proof since we're talking about the newest game.

>>174434045
they and mobileshit are enough of proof, waifufaggotry sells so they will fit it in

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Some spicy EO memes for you

>>174434235
No it isn't. If you played the game already and can show me, then I'll believe you.

>>174434774
It's ok.
But you need to shop a katana into the Beast portrait - all the other portraits have one.

>>174351438
I already got maxed all the skill needed for my gladiator so I'm thinking of getting wild swings. Is it worth getting it or should I max TP up?

>>174436275
Wild Swings only work with skills that let you choose one target. It doesn't work with Blade Rave.
So unless you are using a Front Mortar Gladiator Wild swings is a waste of skill points.

>>174436204
But it's a well known fact that the only weapons beasts use are guns

>>174434774
2>4>3>1

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>>174437398

Newbie Here, started with EO1 because I want to play in production order. Just beat my first FOE (turtled up while it died of poison). Will I always be low on money/desperately buying medica while hares kick my ass?

>>174438112
not once you make a farming party or survivalists to fill the inventory and escape with the reduced encounter skill

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>>174397585
>>174400375
ATLUS USA's preorder bonus

>>174438308
How do I do that and when should I start building that team?

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Why does it seem that half of the fanbase think this is the best game, and the other half think it's the worst? What is it?

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>>174438456

Preordered five copies.

>>174438734
Half of the fanbase played it first.

>>174438734
Other half started with it and other half is off put by all the changes it has compared to the earlier ones

>>174438112
The early game and the post-game are traditionally the hardest parts of most EOs.
So after you get some levels under your belt, get some equipment and use Immunize (only applies to EO1) things will go smoother.

>>174438734
I loved how you could build characters any way you wanted and they'd still be strong, i.e no need for a cookie-cutter party like in other games.

However the game is just too easy, so it's offputting.

>>174438734
Because that half started with EOIV.

EOIV is fucking great, but best? Not even close.

>>174439083
Literally this.

>>174438734
I think it's easily the best to start because it is the easiest.
You can build any halfway decent party and beat the game with it.

I don't even know which EO I like the best.
They all have great aspects and some things that annoy me.

>>174438734
People who actually like the series and salty purists

>>174437658
>not mistake.png

>start etrian mystery dungeon
>have to play as gay ass landsharks first

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>>174441058

>>174438734
EOIV makes the most changes

That means it has the most positives of any game (not having to play a cookie cutter party is a massive plus for me) but also quite a lot of negatives that other games don't have (even though it's functionally the same thanks to teleporting it felt nicer to explore one massive dungeon).

In short it's a lot easier (especially without looking up builds/comps) than the prior games but a lot of the difficulty the prior games have over it come from bad design

>>174439539
>>174441272
What is this meme about cookie cutter parties? You literally never need them in any game unless you want to cheese it left and right. It just seems to me that you're bad and got too used to EO4's piss easy difficulty.

>>174441558
It's just that there are too many ways to screw your party builds in most EO games.

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>>174416514
Never ( ˘ω˘ )

>>174441558
While I think "cookie cutter" is too hard of a word most EO titles have serious pitfalls while creating your party that you can not really see before it's too late.

Say you start with EO2U.
You build your party - so a tank, a healer and some damage with maybe some ailments might be good.
Beast looks strong since it keeps your other people safe.
Ronin looks cool. Survivalist is ranged and has ailments so that is probably helpful. Gunner for some elemental coverage.
And lastly a healer - so let's pick Medic.

And now you have a party that looks like it should be functioning on a vague "I know what a proper party should look like" level but falls apart in practice.
Without help Beasts are horrible at taking elemental hits. What do the second and third boss do? Borderline overkill elemental hits.
And the fifth stratum boss also likes to spam strong elemental hits.
Ronin and Survivalist have rather low damage and no one in that party has proper area damage.
Medic will meander between having nothing to do (since many people would run them in the backline) and frantically trying to keep your party together.
I can see many people struggle to even beat standard with a team that doesn't really look all that horrible.

In EOIV is nicer in the way that something that looks like it should be functioning actually does so - at the cost of a lot of difficulty if you build better optimized parties.

>>174442156

[Betting It All intensifies]

>>174442760
You can sort of negate the elemental nukes with Survivalists, and what's stopping you from redoing your strategy to see how to beat it? That's the whole point of the games. EO4 gets rid of this so you can beat everything by playing like a retard.

>>174443063
...because seeing the possibility of 10 plus classes and then being railroaded into one hyper specific party comp isn't fun?

>>174443351
What the fuck are you even talking about? Refer to my other post >>174441558

>>174443536
It's just a load of swearing and no salient points.

>>174443642
I won't waste more time with you now that you began putting words on my mouth ("hyper specific party" when only saying you should rethink your strategy).

>>174443063
You have little to no indication how to improve your strategy in the first place.
Sure, you can take a step back, create one of every class and start carefully reading the exact wording of every skill.

First of all the five people that enjoy doing that are not enough to keep a franchise alive.

Second the descriptions are so vague that you still won't be able to make educated guesses.

Does anything in the descriptions show that Survivalist and Ronin damage is low? Or that Dark Hunter and War Magus damage is ridiculously high?
Sure, their damage has conditions but having an ailment is arguably way easier than setting up Stances. Someone else can put an ailment on enemies but Ronin always has to set up Stances herself. Two of them even for Peerless Combo and that skill still sucks.

>>174439539
>too easy
Love this meme, as if other games were harder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTgIuzmfxw

>>174444357
>using broken party
>easy
>EOIV use any party
>easy

That's the difference, anon

>>174442861
I got nothing to bet unfortunately

>>174444093
You do by paying attention to the boss' pattern so you know more or less what to do and how to respond to it. You can still beat the game with any party if you form a good strategy around buffs, ailments or just knowing when to attack and when to defend, but of course, you need to actually THINK, unlike in EO4.

>>174444436
>using bad options on purpose is difficulty

>>174444963
No, but having more options in creating a viable party is fun.

>>174445156
It is and good thing EOV seems to do this as well

>>174445616
It'd be great if west got EOV too

>>174445793
neVer eVer

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>>174445793

>>174445875
Remember when IVever ever was a thing?

>>174446370
It took 8 months to make it to NA - meanwhile we sit at 8 months for EOV already and there is not even an announcement.

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>>174446494

>>174444726
>having all bosses be pattern based is actually a good thing
Please don't even meme about it.

Besides this knowing Scylla's pattern will not help you beat her if your damage is low.
You will flat out run out of TP and there are only so many Amritas you can get beforehand.

And as I said - there is no indication which damage skills are good and which are shit.
So your best course of action would be to grind up a new character, look if their damage is decent, try the next character.

All because somewhere someone thought having shit classes would somehow make the game more difficult and add enjoyment.

>>174447335
>if your damage is low.
Whoever thought allowing tentacles to respawn indefinitely and 2 at a time later must be shot

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Can you hear it in your head?

>>174448624
I can hear me and medislut spending quality tiime together

>>174419014
He worked on a hentai VN before EO so there's that.

>>174449921
I wonder when japs start force drafting hentai artists to draw normal designs or force normal artists to draw hentai (which would be much better)

>>174441558
People are bad at video games and needs the game to hold their hand.

>>174444436
>EOIV use any party
>easy
Because in EO IV there's no class that is plain bad like in the other games. The worst class in IV is the worst because they're excessively good at doing what they're supposed to do.

>>174448624
What am I supposed to hear?

>>174451056
[muffled nene sounds]

It's my very first real dungeon in EMD and I've already lost to a mix of retarded AI and amber rush. This isn't going to be fun.

>>174451619
>strangling nene
yes just as it's supposed to be
>>174452431
You suck then, the only somewhat dangerous things pre-postgame are volptera and double amber surge rare breeds

>>174452814
I've just started, I had nothing. I was entering a hallway when my two members at the rear abandoned me for a roller that had just spawned. I thought it would be done in a turn or two but by the time I turned back it killed both of them and did 105 damage to my third member. Of course I just ariadned out of there but it wasn't pretty.

>>174451056
You know.. the song.. from the meme
Is it too old already?

>>174452431

I can tolerate most of EMD's shenanigans, but amber surges are awful.

>hey lets turn every enemy into tanky as fuck damage sponges. that's fun, right?

>>174456098
Come on, we only kill a tree once in Etria.
Well maybe twice with the one in Tharsis.

It's not like it's a habit or anything. We can stop any time.
Really.

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>>174448624
I can hear myself crying

>>174456464
>buying the tree propaganda
All trees must be removed
Just as deer

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>>174457939
Deer must be kept around because they are delicious.

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>>174458105
For some reason she still doesn't look too psycho to me. You must just be seeing things.

So I fixed her for you

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>>174458727
or maybe this

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>>174458105
Eat shrooms instead

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Because picnic wasn't enough.

>>174453257
Nope, doesn't ring a bell.

sliding puzzles in rooms without maps with tiles that turn you towards a random direction when you step (or slide) on them

>>174463991
Tiles with a low chance of instand death to anyone.

Etrian mystery dungeon is alright but I kinda wish they'd just make more non-crossover MD games

>>174465112
Are you telling me Mystery Dungeon isn't purely a crossover series? Legitimate question.

>>174465423
The Shiren games don't use an existing IP

>>174465112
They literally made one last year, stop being greedy

>>174465423
Shiren the Wanderer is an original series, though the actual first Mystery Dungeon game was a spinoff of DQIV.

>>174466386
I completely forgot those usually do have "fushigi no dungeon" attached.

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REMOVE PLANTS

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Dragon girls as playable race when

>>174469513
when you kill yourself

>>174468876
>>174469513
Remove dragons

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>>174469513

Heroes stole our Himukai dragon lolis.

>>174469882
Best furious dragon
Also the fluffiest

Good choice

>>174466386
>>174465112
Which MD game would you guys say is the best

I keep hearing that the EO one is about par

>>174470270
last one

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>>174469723
Remove yourself

How's this party for EO3?
G, M, B, A, Z

>>174471775
Meh

>>174471948
Then advice?

If I use sword tempest and then quick step what'll happen

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How many more days until EOV?

>>174473614
Please stop hurting me like this.

>>174473614
Ask again in approximately July.

>>174473614
5 hours

>>174473614
Same day you get a gf

>>174473614
neVer eVer

>>174474084
Do waifus count?

>>174474478
no

>>174474595
RIP EO

>>174474478
only if you maintain a shrine in her honor

>>174474825
autism doesn't make your waify any more real

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>>174474825

>>174475095
>canon slut
>waifu

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>>174473614
Stop

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Shrooms

>>174470270
The first Shiren the Wanderer is legitimately excellent. It's a lot more of a roguelike than what the series later evolved into. Not in a nonsense rouge-lite sense either, a lot the mechanics were adapted from games like Rogue and Hack.

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>>174478820
I didn't find the newest one that much of a departure from the first, outside the partner-focused story dungeon and weird, exploitable day/night system

still plenty of classic gimmick dungeons to tackle

>>174479626
The later Shiren games never captured the charm of the original for me. But maybe I didn't give them a fair go.

>>174480551
the real sense of place and progress from the first is lessened, that's true

>melee casses are girls
>ranged and support are boys
I can't be the only one.

>>174484139
>melee classes are lolis
>ranged and support classes are also lolis
The only way to play.

>>174484235
>a squad of lolis protecting cute prince
The way it's meant to be played.

>>174475095
>city market cookies

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Does anyone still has the Mediko version of this?

Wizardry X when

>>174493837
Ded

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>>174493837
2005?