/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

Asceticism is a lifestyle characterized by abstinence from worldly pleasures

Audio files aren't vinyl records, they are encoded data that your computer must interpret at runtime.

.wav is the closest thing to "pure" audio, there's basically nothing to decode which makes it the best and fastest format.

>>174344709
but gamedeving is a worldly pleasure

>>174344519
I meant voxels limit aesthetic, not that other word i just learned.

Im going for cartoon style, since i dont have a full dev team to make realism.

Im more focused on mechanics than look. But i know kids will be impressed by smooth graphics in a sandbox.

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reminder

>>174344774
Who cares, I just use whatever the engine I use supports.

>>174344709
/agdg/ is a lifestyle characterised by abstinence from making game

>>174344774
not if your a salty amerinodev

>>174343812
braces next line
macros are only for conditional compilation / include guards, NULL, PI, MIN(), and MAX()

>loli jam not in the op

/agdg/ is a font of incredible strength

>>174344857
gogem wants to be like a caged hitler?

damn, he is into some kinky shit

pity that i am not gay

>>174345010
Use gcc and a text editor or whatever the heck microsoft heathens do when they defile the chosen language?

>>174344815
>>174345109
These are great mysteries

>tfw working on a game and see that someone else already made a better version in every way
why even live

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Do not, my friends, become addicted to progress. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!

>>174345201
Steal his ideas and make them even better.

>>174345010
and for logging functions that expand
log("value: %f", value);
to
log(__FILE__,__LINE__,"value: %f", value);

And for lots of other things you don't seem to think of right now.

>>174345324
Did you just assume the dev's gender?

>>174345192
use MSVC 2015 to develop all source code, and to compile and debug on windows

compile on linux with makefiles using gcc from the command line, debug with gdb from the command line

want to change the source code? alt-tab to windows and edit it and save it

dropbox / syncthing / network share to have the linux folder instantly update by the time you alt-tab back to it to remake and rerun it

>>174345201
Link your competition so we can deliver the hate train or praise.

Face it, you need an artist. I could be your artist. Just tell me about your game and let's see if we can work something out.

>73 views published 2 weeks ago

gogem why do you even bother? build an actual fan base for once or just give up

>>174345421
http://store.steampowered.com/app/364300

Face it, you need an idea guy. I could be your idea guy. Just tell me about your genre and let's see if we can work something out.

>>174345579
Post your idea portfolio

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>>174345536
My itch game has exactly the same amount of views.

>>174345551
>mixed reviews
Why don't you read why people don't like it and make sure your game fixes these

>>174345536
ok i'll build an actual fanbase for once
thanks for the motivation

>>174345579
Sandbox mine and craft rpg.
Deliver me ideas please.
Ill take whatever you got.

>>174345368
No I stopped doing that, I just manually put __FILE__,__LINE__ in it now

I forgot why

Also, instead of UNUSED(var) I just go (void)var

But I do have to admit that I wrapped malloc to be like

#define ALLOC(TYPE,NUM) (TYPE*)calloc(sizeof(TYPE),NUM+1)

just to get rid of having to cast it manually all the fucking time

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>>174345536
+2 viewers in 1 year

>>174345551
>he thinks FTL clones have any chance of beating FTL

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I want to make this game, but with climbing instead of falling, better graphics (16-bit style), a different setting, and melee weapons instead of guns. Could it succeed or would it be seen as too much of a ripoff?

>>174345472
What? You use working things out? Sorry, not interested.

>>174345409
What're your compile times like? I'm always annoyed that I end up switching to my "fucking around" workspace if I need to wait even half a minute. Adding an annoying beep once compilation is done helps. Or have the game immediately launch so it winds up on top of whatever screen I was looking at.

Never get functionality mismatches with different compilers? I guess you're targeting pretty standard architecture. Is MSVC even 64bit?

How do I tell the controls to the player without text or floating pictures of buttons and keys or forcing the player to dig in the options?

Reminder: https://itch.io/jam/rush-hour-jam

>>174345871
Text-to-speech. Follow conventions. Have your game look for printers on their network and print a manual

>>174345871
Intuition.

>>174345726
STOP BULLY

>>174345697
I compile with -Wall and don't get any warnings when implicitly casting from a void* pointer ...

Also ASSERT() is a prime example for macros, since you want to disable them all for release builds.

>>174345637
conceptualize a game that more than one person will want to play. stop resting on your laurels that because x amount of people bought your games you can't seem to motivate yourself to do anything better.

rrps was you trying to elevate. you aren't like that anymore. you gave up without quitting which is just sad to watch.

>>174345871
Why wouldn't you use text

>>174345871
use static pictures of buttons and keys.

>>174345763
Downwell is not original or impactful enough to have anything being branded as a clone of it.

Mighty Jill Off is actually much closer to what you've described and even then your game wouldn't be a clone.

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>>174345871
Instructions
At
The
Point
Of
Need
https://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001HD

Daily reminder that video games are, at their very essence, the visual display of quantitative information (with feedback systems)

>>174345635
>praised for graphics and music
i can't beat that with pixel art, but hey i still have room for mechanics

Anyone has some good vids/read on modeling and rigging shoulders ?
Mine simply "retract" into the mesh when the character lifts his arms.
The only one I've found is too specific and I can't reproduce the same results.
related vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akmy1ZowcLU

>>174345536
>>174346029
It's too late. Did you not see the screenshots of his loli game? They were deleted and anons were banned because it was literally cp.

He doesn't want success. He wants to be an edgy troll living with his mom until she dies then he will sell her things and basically do this forever. I bet you think I'm exaggerating. Anyway there is a very real chance he will have his internet access restricted or taken away on sex offender crimes soon. It would be pointless to even try to improve himself now.

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>>174345620

>>174345696
Player becomes the ruler of a small settlement. Start of with manual resource gathering in the vein of Minecraft and Terraria, but the focus is on building housing and workshops for NPCs to live and work in with a needs system akin to the Anno series. The goal is to become emperor by gaining power on the overworld map through military conflict with troops created in the settlement.

>>174346156
but how do I tell the instructions without breaking the textless aesthetic

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>>174345841
No the MSVC IDE itself is still 32bit

MSVC compile times are pretty fast, and it only recompiles as needed, gcc isn't so quick but also the makefile I use puts the object as dependant on its direct source, not on the whole include-chain that it includes, so sometimes I have to make clean, make all

that can be improved but I don't try so hard

If I do a full rebuild, and get up to drink water, it is finished by the time that I am pouring water into my cup

Usually in MSVC you just press F5 or hit the green arrow, which will compile the game and then launch it in the debugger if the build was successful, in makefile I sometimes have launch the game as a final command of building it, but sometimes I remove that

could have a make run that is dependant on make all I suppose

And yes there is the same source files for all platforms, with minimal #ifdefs it is all bog standard SDL and C/C++

>>174346279
Meh, nothing i havent though of before.
Thanks for your time peter.

>>174346264
that is how he is going to quit without quitting. it's like suicide by cop.
>i give up but i'm too afraid so i will just try to get in trouble
true coward.

>>174346156
You sound like the guy I talked to roughly half a year ago about the beauty of Minard's representation of the russian campaign of 1812.

>>174346221
That's a great vid and that man really knows his topology. How is it "too specific"?

>>174346374
Hire an artist, or pray that one will find your project/engine acceptable enough to work with you

>>174346374
make infographics without text

or invent your own clear hieroglyphics

>>174345637
What is your next game going to be?

inb4 it's your previous 2 games with small patches again

>>174346014
pointing out that i get ~50 views consistently on my devlog videos isnt bullying. it's showing that i have ~50 more fans than a nodev like him ever will.

>>174346635
>to jump, press the BIRD button

>>174346131
>Mighty Jill Off
I looked it up but it's not really what I'm thinking of. This would be procedurally generated like downwell and wouldn't focus on the platforming, but rather on the hack and slash mechanic and jumping/breaking through blocks to progress through the level.

>>174346661
For $1,000/month he will "remove the paywall on social interaction trainer"
https://www.patreon.com/gogempro
No new ideas. No pitching for another game. He is done making games and wants to retire with a library of Newgrounds Flash games that nobody played or bought.

>>174346561
>How is it "too specific"?
Well to elaborate on that, I'd say it's because he shows his results, but I have no idea how he did that. And I'd have no idea on how to translate his idea to something that looks slightly different. Like for instance if I did something low-poly.

>>174346512
Unless that's come up in multiple conversations here otherwise, yes that was me!

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>>174346695
>every view is a fan

>>174346859
>consistently
why else would they keep coming back to watch my mundane progress videos about politics simulation?

>>174346374
If any easily identifyable keys are in the layout (spacebar, return, WASD) just show key relative to them. Highlight one so the player presses it, and they see what happens.

Alternatively just show the whole keyboard with the relevant keys highlighted. I think Hyperlight Drifter did this?

I'm guessing this is just a basic platformer thing. If your controls are more complicated and need explanation I don't know how you ever expected to get away without text

>>174346828
that is REALLY sad

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>>174346828
Can someone explain what removing a paywall is? Please tell me it's not just gogem trying to be a special snowflake and it just means "FREE"

>>174346695
>>174346937
Stop.
>captcha: ROAD STOP

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Has /agdg/ ever actually made any games?

>>174346854
Nice to see you again. If I recall correctly, you were working on a colony management game with blue + yellow / ochre graphics on black ground during dino jam. What's your current project?

>>174347145
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=agdg+games

>>174347123
>doesnt know what paywall means
i know you retardposters are retarded but cmon.

>>174345763
Icy tower but with enemies and upgrades
Sign me fucking in

>>174346950
>every agdg game must be a 2D platmemer
NO

how do I art
how do I content
how do I music
how do I how do I?

someone send help

>>174346374
Think of an animal that starts with the letter of the key

like a xenoraptor for x or a eskimo for e, etc

then create a contrived screen-sized level where there is literally nothing else you can do but that one game mechanic, and the animal is there on the level

so level one is a pit and you are in it, there is nowhere else to go but up, and there is a walrus sitting on the surface

if the player presses any key nothing happens as all are disabled, except for w which moves him up

then when you go up, the screen changes to the next level

you are in the dead-end of a hallway that leads to the right

and there is a duck waddling around

and you can't move in any direction except right, and only by pressing the d key

and so on, and you just keep on expanding until you have covered all the game mechanics

the initial ones (w,a,s,d) are obvious, people will know them on their own already, but they establish the animal name first letter = key to press to handle the new thing on this level

>>174347226
>lmgtfy now has some gay Mac aesthetic
fucking WHY

>>174347205
No that wasn't me then or it was multiple people. In any case, I'm still doing the same as I was doing then: studying math/stats/data/cs. I only come here because I love OC and the topics interest me and I like giving people feedback. Do you have a project?

>>174347383
1) Majority of their usebase is mac.
2) They dont know how to detect OS from web APIs

>>174347123
he had some kind of achievement only for the person who paid him the most and when people called him out on it he generously promised to make it a normal achievement if he gets a grand of parasite subsidy on patreon
gogem is a plie of human garbage who's giving us all a bad rep and you should avoid any kind of direct correspondence with him at all costs

>>174347357
I'm stealing this

>>174346695
>i have ~50 more fans than a nodev
So you consider fans to be people who like you secretly but don't vocally support you or buy your games.
(If they do I don't see it anywhere
http://steamcommunity.com/app/519930
http://steamcommunity.com/app/364960
https://googumproduce.itch.io/whipthevote )
No fans in your reviews, comments, anywhere.
They secretly are your fans and you know they exist because they watch your youtube videos.
Gotcha.

>>174347357
>Think of an animal that starts with the letter of the key
>like a xenoraptor for x or a eskimo for e, etc
those aren't animals you fuck

though i can't think of an animal name that begins with x

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>>174347383
Better than whatever the fuck this shit is.

>>174346937
googoo, i'm sure you're only pretending to be retarded, but these views could be coming from people on /agdg/ who only click these to laugh at you and from many other sources

>>174347243
I get nothing when I try to go to googumproduce.com. When are you gonna fix your site? Also what are you working on? Detective game?

>>174347525
>though i can't think of an animal name that begins with x
Not really an animal name but the phylum that contains horseshoe crabs is xiphosura

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>>174347525
there is literally only some gay fish that no one knows

just use the xenoraptor

>>174347525
>xenoraptors and humans aren't animals
really nigga

>>174347596
>what are options

>>174347596
>right click menus that conform to the aesthetic of whatever you are clicking at is wrong

>>174347840
humans aren't animals dummy, we were made in the image of god

and xenoraptors don't exist

>>174347989
>humans aren't are multicellular, eukaryotic organisms

>>174347840
ummm sweetie, humans aren't animals and are made in the image of God

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>>174347396
I've got our conversation connected to that game in my head somehow. Could be it was the conversation-starter or something. Whatever.

>Do you have a project?
Sorta. My most recent project (pic) has been sitting idly on my harddrive for over a month now. Had to take a break from gamedev, but now that I have time for it again I'm struggling to overcome my inner nodev.

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>>174347523
>>174347627
I know for a fact all of his views are from agdg or the handful of subs he got from agdg.
I posted one of his newest videos to show everyone he was still stealing progress posts here and it got like 400 views because I posted it every couple days for a week.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVWAy2-1b_E
This was more promotion and visibility than gogem ever gets on his videos so he believes it is "marketing" when other people do it for him. Unfortunately he also got tanked with thumbs downs. Best to conveniently ignore that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlD9K5mY5n8

When you pull away flash in the pan moments of attention grabbing or someone giving him attention and leave him by himself and see there was absolutely no "marketing" achieved. He remains at ~70 viewers per video like he was a year ago. It's literally all in his head, all of it. The entire gogem empire is a 30 year old man playing make believe with himself for pity.

Hey, first time posting. I'm working on a top down game set in a high school.

Right now I'm working on the multiplayer, which I guesssss could be described as a multiplayer hotline miami. All the weapons work realistically. It's a last man standing type game.

You can only see the room you're in, but there are sound indicators for the rooms you can't see, and if you open a door you get vision that room.

The map is a realistic high school. Like the weight room allows you to pick up bars and use that as a melee weapon, for instance. All the weapons act realistically.

At the beginning, you choose a "faction" like jocks, nerds, etc. Then you start in their corresponding room and they all have unique abilities. Every faction has a "resource" exclusive to them that the other factions would want. This makes it so you can't turtle in your base and wait it out.

I'm hoping to do a single play aspect too, but I'm unsure how to approach. I also might wanna do an office building map, but I don't know how to do factions for that.

Should I shelve the multiplayer aspect and work on single player until I can figure out how to get it to work?

>>174348184
Oh I haven't been around in awhile but I loved the hell out of your progress posting some weeks ago. I hope you win that struggle because I was really into where your game was going.

>>174348184
Whats your goal, that shit could work for a 2d grand strategy game.
But i think i want mine to be 3d...

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Where do I find good color schemes??

>>174347989
>>174348168
you're confusing the semantics of metaphysics with that of biology and taxonomy

>>174348353
>I posted it every couple days for a week
Fuck you. That shit is on the same level as sourceposting, artist-looking-for-engine, and loli-jam.

>>174348357
Do you have any product or are you just an idea guy?
If you dont have a game yet.
Make the single player work, make the weapons work, dont worry about AI combat dummies will work for the time being.
Then either branch into multiplayer or AI.

>underage b&

>>174347523
im not sure what youre trying to prove.

>>174347627
>they only want updates on your progress to laugh at you
checks out.

>>174347701
>I get nothing when I try to go to googumproduce.com.
but have you tried going to googumproduce.com?

>>174348460
http://colorbrewer2.org/ - specifically for maps
More generally, just google "color palette creator" or something like that and you will get a lot of results.

Gogem is an old dog laying down to die. All the signs are there.
- He knew his patreon would be laughed at but he still tried
- Let his site go into disrepair and redirected it to a patreon which he then broke and hasn't fixed
- He shit and pissed himself by posting links to a game in here that anons couldn't even post screens of without getting banned
- His latest youtube videos were last gasps of breath where he even antagonized agdg by putting shit in the description like "You can't really expect me to know whos games all these clips belong to so take your credit with a comment."

Time to bury the old boy he's starting to smell.

>>174348608
So far I've just been making the map and I have the gamemaker file for Hotline Miami so I've been inserting my map into gamemaker and using Hotline Miami characters/weapons/etc to test the map until I get around to that myself.

Not gonna use gamemaker for the actual game, just for testing the map

>>174348357
Do you have anything to show or are you just ideaguying?

Also multi vs singleplayer depends a lot on what your goal is for the game, if it's a P2P kind of game where the player only needs a few friends to play then doing multiplayer seems fine.
If it's a MMO kind of thing with servers and shit then you might as well just drop the multiplayer since you're never going to get the userbase.

AI is very hard if the bots have the same capabilities as the player so you should work on multiplayer first since AI will be a huge fucking undertaking and you would have to rewrite it anyway when you change your game's design while developing it.

>>174348504
How? Anons kept talking about it and the link was needed.

Soothe your butt.

>>174348889
I've only worked on the map so far, I figured since the game is pretty much based around the map I should do that first.

I envisioned the game as a multiplayer experience, but I feel like since it's my first game it won't have the install base to make it viable so I should shift focus to a single player game

>>174348385
Lots of thanks.

>>174348423
That's the gist of it, yeah. My goal is to create a simple GSG that puts the focus on economy and logistics, pushing back diplomacy and the finer aspects of warfare. Approaching it like it was a boardgame is a helpful mindset.
>3D
Theoretically, 3D art should be an afterthought. I don't know of any GSG that doesn't operate on 2D logic. Although I would really like to see an attempt at a truly 3D GSG.

>>174348818
Making maps for hotline miami?
More of a mod than a game.

Making maps are easy, get the hard shit done first then you may get _some_ respect.

>>174348889
2d ai is not hard...
a* pathfinding,
shooting directly at an unobstructed view,
finding an obstructed view when reloading.
Shouldnt take more than a few months.

>>174348758
I dont want a palette, i need something that gives me 10 DIFFERENT colors that match

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>>174349202

>>174349139
That's fair, I guess at this state I am making more of a mod. But long term I'm intending it to be totally standalone. It won't have pixel graphics, really the biggest thing that will be the same as Hotline Miami is the top down perspective and combat system

>>174349202
A rainbow

>>174349139
Pathfinding and vision is the least of your worries, the hard part is building an AI that makes the right decisions at the right times and is fun to play against.
It's easy to do a simple Hotline Miami AI where the bots are simply objects that bumrush you but if you're trying to emulate a player with proper decision-making then it's not easy.

>>174349202
db16
arne16

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>want to promote game on other boards/social media
>can't think of a posting name

This is the worst feeling.
I've spent too long in 4chans anonymity.

help me /agdg/, please!

>>174349420
your real name

>>174349420
[gamename]dev
Wow, that was hard.

>>174349326
Intelligence is not necessary to have fun.

Beating up a retard is just as enjoyable as beating a doctor.

Let the noobie get some simple shit done before you start telling him how out of scope he is.

>>174349420
Post game receive name

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Anon-kun! Tell me how's your progress today!

>>174349593
I'm fixing old animations and creating custom ones for opposite direction

>>174349593
Unreal needs a real tan

>>174349524
Jonathan Blow isn't the Braiddev or Happycakedev, he's Jonathan Blow.
His company is called Number None but he doesn't call himself that, he's Jonathan Blow.

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>>174349593
I made a fake-3d sprite renderer and implemented physics
why don't I have a finished game yet I thought that's all I had to do
whats content

>>174349730
Using your real name would not exactly legitimize the question for a posting name, don't you think?

>>174349730
Well if your name is also an innuendo and you feel the urge to attentionwhore yourself instead of your game, then use your name

>>174349730
>implying he isn't known as "the guy who made Braid" to the larger public, if at all

>>174349528
Anon implied the AI would serve as a substitute for human players so they do need intelligence to work well inside the multiplayer-oriented game design.
If he's planning on making a completely different game for singleplayer with singleplayer-oriented mechanics that work well with dumber AI then, well, that's even more out of scope since you are essentially doing two games.

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>>174348620
googumproduce.com? doesn't work either, lol.
>it actually works
Wuh? Did you make the only link that works with a question mark just so you could ruse people?

>>174350025
This is why I'm thinking of shifting focus to singleplayer only. As well as the playerbase concern.

Now I'm thinking I should turn it into a top-down almost metroidvania-esque game set in a high school.

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>decided to add attacks to my platformer
>have to rework the entire player animation script because I wrote it knowing I wouldn't be adding attacks

>>174350025
Your first point is true, but my point was.
if your going for single player, make a simple AI.
If your going for multiplayer, focus on that, disregard the AI.
It his first game, replicating human intelligence is not necessary. Your overscoping.

Your second point is some straw man stupidity.

>>174350262
the attacks are done by a ghost which emerges from the player

>>174349989
Eh don't kid yousrelf, millions of people have seen Indie Game the movie and would recognize John from that alone. Then you include millions of gamers who know him as part of the zeitgeist.

Jonathan Blow is a household gaming name.

Using pseudonyms is for children.

>>174349593
About to go get an evaluation for a wisdom tooth extraction. I've had all 4 of them since forever and never had an issue with any of them... until a couple of days ago.

>>174350305
>It his first game, replicating human intelligence is not necessary. Your overscoping.
That's what I'm telling him, I'm not the one suggesting to make a game with both singleplayer and multiplayer, the fuck are you talking about m8?

>>174349593
does it count if it was technically today but actually yesterday?

>>174350480
Name one child that is known exclusively by their pseudonym

>>174350480
Revealing any of your data online is for sheeple.

>>174350778
All /agdg/ devs.

>>174350601
>>174350305
I'm mostly conflicted because I envisioned the game as a multiplayer experience, but while working on it I quickly realized that its silly to make a multiplayer game relying on an active playerbase as my first game

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Minor asset design, starting to mesh out some of the BSP geometry (mostly boulders and other "standalone" pieces before the primary wall-and-floor shape of the level), playing around with UE4's foliage placement tool and some simple "detail" meshes.

It's starting to feel almost like it might be an actual video game level. That's kind of a neat feeling.

>>174350778
The child formerly known as Deadbirth.

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>>174349593
Stats are finally implemented. Collecting rune fragments will boost a random stat, and secret rooms can now either yield items or a full rune.

Also dodging finally works correctly.

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>>174349730
>>174350324
you don't kid yourself

I can fucking guarantee you out of 150 million people who bought Minecraft 149.9 million have no goddamn clue who is Notch.

And this isn't only about indies.
How many people who bought GTAV can name ONE Rockstar employee?
How many people who played Skyrim and last two mainline Fallouts have any idea who the fuck except Todd Howard works at Bethesda?


People don't give a fuck game devs. Only devs who spend more time on twatter than coding have any semblance of recognition and even then it's just a fraction of their actual playerbase.

>>174350834
>>174350917
You failed

>>174351038
>anime

>>174351081
anime

>>174350845
Make a multiplayer game that you play with 2 or 3 friends across the web.
You should not expect a sustained player base for your first game.
If you can get a little fun and a lot of learning out of it, its a victory.

>>174350916
Does she have the power of oil or something?

>>174351038
Notch is a manchild and his identity is publicly known anyway.

Big companies are completely different, the company's name is not a pseudonym but simply the company's name, the devs are still credited with their real names like real adults.

>>174351038
When millions of people know your name you are a household name.
>People don't give a fuck game devs.
Wow you are projecting so hard on this issue it's kind of sad. Nobody said game devs were superstars but they aren't unknown especially a Jonathan Blow.

>>174351175
That's why I think I should shift focus from a top down last man standing type game to a top down metroidvania style. If I repurposed the exclusive abilities as abilities from beating bosses I feel like it won't be too hard

>>174351227
It's like obsidian stone shards. If you look at the little gems she's collecting, which are glowing blue, it's what those look like when they're "spent" and are black again.

Also if you watch carefully when she summons hands, there's a burst of rock shards as they appear, and they're actually composed of a big field of them.

I've been told it's sort of like Knack, but I never played Knack, so I don't know how accurate that really is.

>>174351038
>How many people who bought GTAV can name ONE Rockstar employee?
Why are you comparing GTAV of all things to indie games?

Someone get this retarded weeb nodev out of here.

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>>174351027
>waiting for her to kill the bat
>she lets off a blast that fucking annihilates the wall

>>174351240
>>174351280
>>174351401
People go all their lives without knowing/giving a shit about names of people who made their favorite games.
Names like Will Wright, Chris Sawyer, John Carmack mean fuckall to them.

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New title screen and definitive name

>>174351501
>NOBODY KNOWS ______
>Actually millions of people know who ______ is and here is why
>THAT'S NOBODY PEOPLE GO THEIR WHOLE LIVES BLAH BLAH
Just kill yourself faggot. Holy shit.

>>174351501
Their fault for not pulling a Sid Meier / Tom Clancy.

>>174351501
So? The discussion is not about what players care about, actually you are arguing against pseudonyms too since players don't give a fuck either way and you are just being a child for using a pseudonym.

>>174351529
Which begs the question: Who is the man behind the rocket?

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>>174351606
Putting his quote in all caps to make your point.

>>174351606
>millions and millions and millions
stop fucking daydreaming

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>>174352120
Are you seriously denying the 6 gorillions?

>>174351861
>>174352120
K
Y
S

>>174349796
I'm fucking spooked

>being this worked up because you said something stupid that people disagreed with
Calm down spazz.

>>174352120
>>174352242
>he literally can't admit that at least 5 or 10 million people know who Jon Blow is
Do you live in a cave? Why are you so upset at the idea that some dev are well known?

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>write shit code which works but is inefficient or uses lazy bullshit logic
>say "I'm gonna fix this later"
>about 2000 lines of shit code and counting

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How do you find a balance in old point-n-click adventure types, between having to read the dev's mind/PixelHunter 5: The Clickening, or on the opposite side of the spectrum, being a glorified VN

>>174353194
Make the cursor change when you hover over what you need to click

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>trying to learn C++ when coming from C#

>>174353194
Good writting

>>174353465
>learning C++
All coding should be done in scratch and snap.

>>174353194
P&CAs during the last decade have learned to include a key to highlight all interactable things in a scene. Adopt that.
Do not base riddles based on puns, idioms, or metaphors, as these tend to be ethnic-/nationality-specific and don't translate well into other languages.
All puzzles must follow established rules that are comprehensibly made available to the player.
Have more than one hint at the solution to a puzzle. The hints and puzzle should be close to each other chronologically speaking. Nobody remembers what an unremarkable NPC said three hours ago.

>waste the whole day doing no progress
>get motivation the moment you want to sleep

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>>174353570
>>174353465
Here, have a helpful guide on how to learn c++ in 30 days!

>>174353629
So basically Professor Layton is the ultimate example of a point and click (puzzle) game?

>>174353696
dream about progress

>>174353465
it's even worse going from C++ to C

so many things you take for granted have to be done manually

Are you yesdev enough to make a game to propose to your gf?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlKVGZck4bA

>>174352560
I doubt anywhere near that many people know who Jonathan Blow is. Most non-devs who saw Indie Game The Movie probably don't even remember who he is or what he looks like. Phil Fish, on the other hand, everybody knows because he's famous for internet drama, not for making games.

>>174351613
Will Wright and John Carmack have self-references in their games, though.

>>174351613
To be fair, Sid Meier is a really cool game. It just sounds right for a game.

Tom Clancy is cool too.

>>174354220
>I doubt anywhere near that many people know who Jonathan Blow is
Then you're stupid. Indie Game the movie has had tens of millions of viewers. That right there dwarfs the massively downplayed estimate of 5-10 million. If you see a movie about someone do you not know who they are?

Seriously just fuck off with your weird need to argue about this mundane thing. Sorry Jonathan Blow raped you or something.

At least when you're going from a language to another, you can retain some basic knowledge.
Learning modelling from scratch is hell.

>>174353696
you "get motivation" exactly because you know that you are not going to work to day and going to sleep

get a coffee and don't sleep anon

>been trying to collab for months
>never get anyone
>suddenly 4 people add me at once
>too autistic to tell them I won't help them or am too busy
>am now working on 5+ projects

Meh, they'll abandon before me, so I'll just stick around long enough for them to quit first

>>174354174
>less than a minute in she 'wuts' at a female character and mentions 'sexism'
should've had a hotkey to bypass the proposal

You should only use your real name if it's a cool name, if it's some shit like George Martinez then you better get a pseudonym.

>>174354453
I think he raped you and you liked it considering how much you are sucking his dick.

>>174354641
But how do I come up with a cool nu-indiedev online handle?

>>174354560
>I'm going to burn bridges with multiple teams at once
dis gun b gud

>>174354712
Just call yourself whatever the fuck you want and if your game is a success, congrats your pseudonym is now a cool nu-indiedev online handle

>>174354445
Sid Meier sounds cool AND makes it clear that it's his game series since Civilization is just a common noun.

And Tom Clancy was a well-known author before getting into game adaptations so it's a constant reminder of who's behind them as well as free advertising that the mastermind is well known talent.

>>174353963
Mechanically speaking it's top-notch, it is set out to be a puzzle collection and achieves that wonderfully.
P&CAs however are superior narratively, as the puzzles are intertwined with the adventure's environment. It does not have the non-sequitur nature of "Oh, a shop for insects? That reminds me of a magic square math puzzle with insect sprites!".
The fact that you have an inventory to take parts of the scenery with you into other scenery and modify new scenery based on that alse strengthens the narrative, there is less seclusion of content.
Also, PL's hint system works for puzzle-collections, such as Puzzle Agent, but I would feel insulted were a P&CA offer that functionality (Simon the Sorcerer did that. It was not as blunt as PL, but it helped remedy some guess-the-verb moments. However I'd rather the game were to remove the flaws instead of treating the symptoms this way)

>>174354691
>stating common sense facts is "sucking jonathan blows dick"

Why though?

>>174354641
>>174354712
Alliteration is where it's at. You need to name a game like:
>Bernard Butterfinger's Battle of Burning Bridges

>>174354824
>Tom Clancy was a well-known autho
wtf there are Tom Clancy books?

If I write a project proposal for a game with a working but coherent draft of what's needed as well as a rough calendar/schedule for the dev cycle, how hard would it be to find talent that would be on board with development?

>>174354931
You know that movie The Hunt for Red October, with Sean Connery? That's a Tom Clancy book.

>>174354121
>have to be done manually
Once.
Then you just call the function that you wrote.

>>174355003
Pretty easy if you pay them.

>>174355003
Are you paying?

If not, extremely

You're just another idea guy

>>174354931
Yes, he wrote a shitload of military/political fiction and some of those games are adapations while others feature original scripts. He wrote fucking Rainbow Six and The Hunt for Red October.

>>174355003
What do you bring to the table? What are your day to day responsibilities? How are profits split? Is there any upfront payment, especially for artists and musicians? How many games have you shipped already?

>>174354931
Rainbow is literally about his books. He was an author long before vidya was a thing.

>>174355136
I'm talking about shit like typecasting, pointers, and whatnot which later languages handle automagically.

>>174354931
Tom Clancy was a speculative fiction novel writer before he did video game plots.
Most of them involved America going into war with Russia or China and somehow not turning into a glass parking lot shortly after.

>>174354824
Those are both pen names I believe. Tons of famous artists and writers use fake names that sound cool.

>>174355003
>ideas guy

>>174355331
Sidney K. Meier
Thomas Leo Clancy, Jr.

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>>174354931
All his books look and sound like they sell for <5$. Also notice how the name is never smaller than the title.

>>174355003
You have to prove yourself to have some kind of ability and talent if you want anyone to work with you. And sorry but "project management" isn't a useful skill in the real world. It's a fake job that exists only at large poorly-run corporations where you get paid to do absolutely nothing.

>>174355003
Any competent developer can think of a fun concept on their own.
You are useless.

>>174355563
Cool you fact checked someone on the internet.
You're not a faggot at all.

>>174355598
You must not read a lot of books, huh?

Most adult books look and sound like they sell for <$5 nad the name is almost always bigger than the title if its a well known author.

>>174355626
>"project management" isn't a useful skill in the real world
How do you think construction work gets done?

>>174355707
Clancy's novels are fucking trash

>>174354174
>tfw no gf to make games for

>>174355724
Have you ever been outside or do you live in a fantasy world where construction "workers" actually do their job?

>>174355842
You were right at first but now you're outing yourself as an idiot.

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Are the arrows on the platforms obnoxious? I want it to be obvious they are one-way.

>>174355724
We're talking about programming here, not building something that requires thousands of people and years of labor intensive work. But I suspect even in that industry project management can already be completely automated and replaced by software.

>>174355707
>You must not read a lot of books, huh?
Just because I say that his look like bargain-bin does not imply that I think that all other books are dropping with originality and high-quality covers.

>>174355724
Project managers exist but they have to be competent at the job they're overseeing if they want the respect of their underlings.

>>174355965
I'm on 4chan in an /agdg/ thread so me being an idiot is already obvious.

Can you underage retards who have never had a job please stop talking about how you imagine things go in the real world? It's nauseating.

>>174355978
They look like elevators, I would be standing on top of one like an idiot waiting for it to move.

>>174355978
The fact you can pass through platforms is obnoxious to me.
>realist.

But the arrows are fine considering how poorly lit the area is.

>>174355626
But "Project Management" is exactly what a director is.

>>174355842
Yes, nobody every does any work anywhere. Which is why we have no infrastructure, no public services, no goods, no nothing.
I have worked as electrician and trust me, you need to have someone overseeing shit at the top. You don't want to end up with plumbers ripping down wallpapers and carpets because some idiot coordinated interior decorators to come in before all the walls are even finished. Also, good luck sending in 8 guys with no supervision and no plan. If you're lucky, you got a smart one with them that stops them from killing themselves and tearing down the building.

There's nothing to manage in a team smaller than 5 people.

is there a good random game idea generator?

>>174356584
More like, there is but it doesn't require a full person and much of it is done collaboratively

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>>174356649
I thought up a game idea in the shower this morning:

A game that captures the shame and humiliation of having a tiny penis

>>174356584
And you also don't need a team of more than 5 people to make a good game.

>>174356015
That's not how management works there is a political barrier between programmers and managers to keep you from harboring the illusion that they give a shit whether you respect them. If you prove to be someone who thinks their respect is something to be "earned" by management you'll be gotten rid of because that is very arrogant thinking and doesn't belong on a team.

>>174356214
Can you link to proof of your statement so i direct my anger at them instead of your shitpost.

>>174355978
That does not look like an indicator for the platform itself, but rather a guide for the player "go up here". Due to the lack of alternatives, I think players will be able to figure that out themselves.

>>174356904
so real life?

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: HACK the F.B.I.
Dev: vestigial
Tools: Unity
Web: @vestigialdev
Progress:
+ Store page looking okay
+ Figuring out Steampipe

>>174357050
Not sure what you think my statement is.
I know for sure this is wrong >>174355981
> I suspect even in that industry project management can already be completely automated and replaced by software.
and this is wrong
>>174355842
>>174355626
>"project management" isn't a useful skill in the real world
It's just wrong. It sounds like something gogem would say.

>>174357137
Okay so basically in my game, your pants are possessed by an evil spirit. At certain points when you're going about your day, the spirit pulls your pants down for the world to see your cock and balls. Your crush, the policemen, the firemen, the mailman, the dogs chasing the mailmen, your parents...they all laugh at your tiny penis. The goal is to survive the whole day without letting the embarrassment bar fill all the way up.

>tfw grew out of videogaming

>>174357409
hella memebucks potential. I can see the twitch chats full of LULs and sad pepes now

>>174357559
>tfw grew out of developing

>>174357336
I cant speak about contruction workers.
Because i work at a catering hall for minimum wage.

I do my job, regardless of my manager,
But i know my manager is absolutely necessary in-order to whip my minimum wage colleagues into shape, cuz some of them are lazy fucks.

All i wanted you to do was link to what ur talking shit about, and i agree with you, some one these peoples ideals disagree with what i see in the minimum wage world.

>>174357559
My buddy works in a medium size game developing company. Literally everyone working here is a dudebro/sis who plays fifa like once a month. They don't like videogames at all

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>>174357667
Is this a fucking pun about puberty?

>>174357559
It's easy to start slipping up and missing out on games. Especially if you start getting your vidya news by just glancing at it or even worse looking at /v/ where they will be constantly ranting negatively about every new jaw dropping mega AAA game that is actually quite good. It's poisonous. You have to force yourself to sit down and play some new games and you will be enjoying it again before you know it.

Or not in which case you have to decide whether to be soulless with your games because you really don't give a shit about vidya or stop gamedev.

>>174357409
Does it really need to be a tiny dick? An anaconda monster would be way hotter and you could add some fun physics.

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>>174357837
>Or not in which case you have to decide whether to be soulless with your games because you really don't give a shit about vidya
sounds perfect!

>>174356961
Fuck off back to your shitty corporate """"job"""" that ensures you will never accomplish anything actually meaningful with your life. You're kidding yourself if you think that office politics and "management" positions are what drive the real economy. Innovation and progress forward in any industry never comes from those kinds of toxic self-serving environments. It almost always comes from individuals and small businesses who know how to put a functional, hardworking team together where people like each other, free of politics and all the bullshit that runs rampant in corporate america.

Wait so gogem released his loli game already?

>>174358091
>Fuck off back to your shitty corporate """"job"""" that ensures you will never accomplish anything actually meaningful with your life
No?
>You're kidding yourself if you think that office politics and "management" positions are what drive the real economy.
Nobody said that? All complex organizations need direction though. Are you an anarchist? You sound like just another naive angry adorable anarchist correct me if I'm wrong though.
>runs rampant in corporate america
You know what doesn't run rampant in corporate America? Retards like you. Because you're mentally disabled and nobody will be able to work with you for more than a day. So stop pretending you know what you're talking about, because you don't and it's obvious.

>>174357837
I felt that way in 2016 but this year has been so good for games that my passion has been renewed.

>>174358321
I know right? Your game is coming out!

>>174358321
>this year has been so good for games
Has it? Genuine question, haven't followed releases 2017.

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>>174344656
reminder

>>174357837
>every new jaw dropping mega AAA game that is actually quite good.
I'd say rather "that is actually not that garbage".
But that said I haven't played any last big release aside from Tales of Berseria, which I really liked.

>>174358321
Mine too especially since I am still playing some great stuff from 2014 and 2015 that I put off when I was "too busy" for vidya. I have "grown out" of vidya many times but thankfully gamedev always motivates me to see what's new and I end up getting hooked on new games.

There are still way too many great games I know I will never play because I'm too wrapped up in other great games or not enough time to even give it a shot. Truly we are in a golden age.

>babby's first UE4 rolling ball game on Steam popular new releases
>the description is literally just a bunch of Steam features it has like emoticons, trading cards and 300 (!) achievements
Seriously what the fuck?

>>174358267
That's great, but I'm able to live comfortably off of the passive income generated by my games while working from home on my next project with full creative control. Can you say the same thing?

>>174358415
It's entirely subjective you have to decide for yourself.

>>174358641
I'm sure that's the dream of many here. Anything else you wanted to brag about?

>>174358641
You are quite a cunt, my friend. I don't know why you're so opinionated about the workforce, nobody would ever work with you. Maybe you're still salty from all the times you got fired for being an intolerable retard.

>>174358468
Nobody gives a fuck what was the game made in only that it's done and it's decent, therefore Godot and GameMaker masterrace.

>>174358632
>it has only one level with 6 variations
>every secret token is one achievement, 50 times 6
Why the fuck am I even trying hard on my game if I could just do trashware like this?

>>174358943
>each variation is purely cosmetic too
WEW I'M MAD

(Hopefully) quick question. I'm just trying to get a left trigger input on a ps4 controller to work with unity.

if (Input.GetAxis("Aim") == 1)
{
Debug.Log("Hello");
}

In the input manager my settings are this:
grave = 0.1
dead = 0.19
Sensitivity = 2
Snap = on

Type is joystick axis and the specific axis is the 9th one.

Shouldn't this work?

>>174358632
>>174358943
>>174359138
I have no idea which game you are talking about. Certainly not Ball 3D, which is the latest ball game I can see in pop new.

>>174359295
ZRoll, it's in my popular new releases tab and I don't even play ball rolling games often.

>>174353194
>>174353629
>>174354889
This was good reading, thank you both. Thinking a lot about P&CA lately, and been meaning to check out Professor Layton anyhow so now I have an excuse to, cheers

>>174359389
I was expecting it to look nice at least. Jesus it looks like garbage.

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>>174358468

so good comic

>>174359389
>89 cents
>those assets
>mostly positive reviews

Jesus Christ, I didn't know people were allowed to stoop this low on Steam.

>>174359664
If you think that is low then you've been asleep for the last 4 years

>>174359541
Normies are still easily wooed by UE4's default shading, you guys are wasting your time doing complex shit instead of just doing some barebones meme game on UE4 and selling it purely by the visuals.

>>174358468
Why are nodevs so butthurt about the asset store in unity? There are a thousand better reasons to hate the engine. Every engine has an asset store. The reason you see "so many unity asset store" games is because 90% of indie games are made with Unity.

>>174359779
I know there's a guy who somehow got greenlit and now pumps out dozens of reskins of a shitty broken puzzle game.

That's the lowest I've seen.

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Finally reworked my player script to include attacks. It's still half broken tho.

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>>174359389
>>174359664
Fucking hell. It wasn't in my most pop for some reason. But holy shit, why the fuck are normies so exploitable?!

>>174358468
>the motion blur on unreal
kek

Any maze generation algorithms that take note of appropriate walling in char-type structures? I could've sworn I saw one.

So far I've been using a 1 bit for each cell's wall direction, carving the maze and then transferring that to a char array.

>>174359961
>reaction image
>fucking hell shit fuck
You are a sperg.

Has this been done before? A game like metroid but also minecraft and elements from final fantasy

>>174359474
If you are looking at PL, I'd like to point you at Puzzle Agent, which is pretty much a copy made for PC with a Fargo-esque setting. It's pretty good, and if you are not going to play it, I'd at least recommend this review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4SUYRhHC88
Apart from entertainment value, the video gives valuable criticism regarding this genre.
Contains a story spoiler for the end, but gives a short warning at 14:20.

These people shit talking Googum are worse than him. Just post progress fags.

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>>174360227
>contrarian about reaction image and cursewords
>on 4chan
Fuckin' retarded asshole.

>>174358943
Your "trying hard" is trashware.
Oh sorry
You didn't know?

>>174360227
why do you even care?

>>174360145
Never mind, it was a rougebasin article.

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>>174359664

>that anon that turned his first Unity tutorial into a successfull comercial game.

Omg guys don't hate on Zroll it's super fun I'm playing it right now.

Rolling ball/10. would Zroll again XXXXXD

>>174344919
don't forget that it has to be playable.

>>174360487
how did you know

>>174360456
>on 4chan
>not having a contrarian opinion
get on my level

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>"don't name your game a common word, it will be fucked over because search rankings"
>Doom
>Squad
>Insurgency
>Hitman
>Fallout
>Portal
>Inside

>>174360683
Your game will never be popular enough to be the first hit on search rankings.

>>174360683
Doesn't matter too much. If there's no results people will probably just search "doom game."

>>174360575
>not being so contrarian to contrarian culture that you end up being such a hardcore conformist that conformists view you as contrarian again
It's like your spectrum isn't even a full circle.

>>174360683
Make sure you gives you game a really long name. Like "Hell Yeah! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit"

>>174360535
>a rolling ball game is destroying you this bad
You're not ever going to make a game. Your constitution is as weak as a wet piece of toilet paper. So why are you even here? To cry about steam greenlight to gamedevs? Go jerk off in the jim sterling youtube comments kiddo nobody cares.

>>174360683
>>174360802
Yup, same goes with bands, there are plenty named after common words.

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Estimate the number of people who have worked on making a game all around the world in the past, say 10 years
Then estimate the number of devs who you personally would say have "made it"
Then take that second number, and divide it by the first.
Congratulations! This is your probability of "making it"

>>174360886
Even Jim Sterling has stopped reacting to "omg look how bad dis is xD" greenlight stuff.

>>174361038
Success is not a lottery.

>>174361038
Now, estimate your chance to make it if you don't have a game.

>>174361038
Except it's not because I'm more qualified than the 99.99% of the people who attempted it

>>174361038
I've made it, I just haven't told anyone yet

>>174361038
You can also multiply is by 100 to get a nice little percentage, but that's an extremely negative way of looking at it.

>>174361038
i've seen this post before

>>174360886

i was merely jerking off with the other guys who started it first.

why do i have to be the guy that has to kill himeself ?

>>174360683
>bunch of games from industry juggernauts with franchises that started before internet search was really a thing
>three surprise hits which still don't go up to their ankles in popularity

your methodology is weird to put it mildly

>>174361038
Every single day I roll a dice to determine whether or not I work on my game that day.
I figure, I might as well let fate determine if I make a game or not.

>>174361071
>Even Jim Sterling has stopped reacting to "omg look how bad dis is xD" greenlight stuff.

Yeah because him and TotalBiscuit worked to shut the cancer ward known as Greenlight down.

>>174361208
A number between 0 and 1 is a percentage already.
Multiplying it by 100 just makes it "human readable" to normies who don't understand what a percentage really is.

>>174361325
Valve is replacing Greenlight because it's dying and voters are getting scarce, with the new systems not only will people vote for games based on their actual gameplay but they actually have an incentive to vote unlike Greenlight.

>>174361447

percent literally means "per hundred"

What's the appeal of aseprite senpai? Is it Photoshop for retards?

>>174361529
>with the new systems not only will people vote for games based on their actual gameplay but they actually have an incentive to vote unlike Greenlight
Wasn't the new system "pay [price between 100 & 5000 USD] to get your game on Steam"?

>can't even make a game
>is shitposting about "making it"
kek

>>174361667
Yeah, but there's also a new voting system which determines your priority in people's suggestions.

Low rated games won't show up on anyone's front page unless they specifically look for shit.

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>>174358468
>mfw unity dev
>the comic is literally my gamedev experience with unity

>>174361667
i think they're compounding on that.
they want us to pay money to give away our games. steam is going to be the first digital store where you can be in the red.

>>174361667
Your game will get on Steam but it will be basically invisible until curators vote for it enough.

>>174361667
Yes it is.
That's the whole point of the "direct" in the name, skip the voting process and pay up to get on steam.
I don't know what the other guy is talking about.

>>174361813
Not surprising considering you use reaction images. Retard.

>>174361664
It's Photoshop without the "clutter" not needed for pixelart. Comes built-in with functionalities for exporting and animating spritesheets. If you can live without the newest off-the-press features (like reference images for rotoscoping), it's also free to clone from Github.

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>>174361664
Aseprote is a tool for sprite creation and animation
Photoshop is a tool to erase lard and wrinkles off models and copypasting flying saucers onto photographs.

any more questions?

>>174361664
It's like photoshop without the 10GB of bloat and specialized for pixel art.

>>174361858
Well gee I'm sorry if I've offended you in some way.

Reminder that posting images on an imageboard attests to IQ < 75.

>>174361850
>>174361667
http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/4/15172908/valve-steam-explorers-system-direct-fake-games

tl;dr less fake games and greenlight abuse, only nodevs are angry about Direct.

>>174358468
>>174359571
>>174361813
>>174361813
stop samefagging and kys your comic is fucking gay and you are not a meme

>>174362003
Oh so they gave more info.
When's greenlight actually shutting down?