/svg/ - Shadowverse General

I want to make Luna orgasm so many times her eyes roll back into her head and she passes out in a puddle of her own love juice!

This card needs to be 5 mana

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That was easier than I thought

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>Spiderweb Imp
>Belphegor
>Airjammer
I love ToG.

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3 pp 1/1 fanfare:if you control 2 other followers, win the game

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Vampy is for ___

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>Incorruptible
>is french

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>>174338275
delet this

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Post elf

>>174337385
pls respond

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>>174338275
muh

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REMOVE LIGHTNING BLAST FROM TAKE TWO

Remove Luna from the game

>>174338319
>Burial grounds
Poor guy couldn't draw Atomy.

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>>174338423

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Luna=PURE?

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why is she doing such a shitty job? someone should fire her

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Concede for me please.

80013

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>>174338563
Very pure, anyone who says otherwise needs to be shot in the fucking dick.

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>>174338669

Thank you for the help.

>>174338642
There's not enough light to drive so much shadow.

shadow buffs when?

>>174338717
does luna know the basics of cqc

There needs to be a neutral non-legendary card that banishes

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>>174338482
>Remove Luna from the game
Not even Lightning Blast can do that, sorry.

How to balance grimmir
inverse the attack and defense of white paladin and veight

>>174338947
She knows the basics of coc

>>174339087
Call of Cocytus?

>>174339196
Cuties Orthrus and Cerberus

>>174339059
>still played in the other 4 classes
>implying sword and blood wouldn't just run both

I want a deck made specifically to cuck the shit out of shadowbabs. I don't care about doing anything else.

What's the best deck to do this

>>174339279
Haven

>>174339059
Your schizophrenia is showing Anon

>>174338319
>Burial Ground
Atomeme or Tyrant?

Wolfbolt takes 2 turns to activate
Zell + Bahamut takes zero
How is this fair?

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>>174338423

>up against sword
>he plays conscription
>I play prism priestess to fetch tribunal
>he plays frog
>tribunal
>next turn concede
heh

>>174339279
haven. type in "banish" and put every card except for >>174338642 into the deck. You probably wont win though since shadow is really good at diarrhea shitting all over the board.

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>>174339449

>>174339059
make him 4 PP or reduce him to 2/2

he's too fucking good for a neutral card.

>>174339518
don't reply to shitposters

>>174339539
>neutral cards should be shit
Nice logic

>>174339690
>neutral cards should be so good every runs them

i'm seeing forest decks run them now

forest

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>>174338059
Here's shadow getting the god start and Lyrial wining the game.
https://a.pomf.cat/undhum.webm

>shadowniggers managed to trigger satancat
Defend this 60% winrate lunapedos

>>174339497
>You probably wont win though
But I can't cuck shadowbabs the hardest if I don't cuck them out of the win at the end.

________VERSE

>>174339780
That's what I like to see. I always laugh at sword lists that want to run Unica instead of Lyrial.

Fucking shadownigger they went too far this time

>>174339836
What did satancat say about shadowniggers?

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>>174340009
Seventeen

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>>174340009
BUNNY

>>174339780
Okay, I'll try running Lyrial then and see how it goes.

>>174340082
He was trying some different decks and ran into back to back midrange shadows.

Since the decks he was running don't have as much board clear as, say, dragon, he got overwhelmed and lost alot.

He gave up and decided to fire up some Monster Hunter.

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>>174340009
Ass

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concede please
15780

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>>174340009
smug

/svg/ banlist homebrew when? Ladder isn't fun and isn't going to be fun even if we get nerfs, because the old cancer decks were never addressed and just replaced with new cancer. The cards I had fun with in this game still exist, the meta just doesn't allow playing them. This game and this general isn't going to last long if people just do their dailies and log off because ranked is shit and there's no private match culture.

>>174339539
This is not hearthstone, Neutrals don't need to be meh.

>>174340082
He said to rope and disconnect shadow nigger and when the day of the rope come all shadow nigger will hang on trees

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>>174339836
>60%
Why stop there? We are only just 3 week into the meta.

>>174340349
This has nothing to do with Hearthstone and that game has plenty of good neutrals regardless. No idea why you're bringing it up

96803
need concede

>>174340349
Neutrals do need to be meh when they turn out to be one of the best three drops in the game.

You'd be hard pressed to come up with another card to run in its place.

>>174340469
Thanks luna

>>174340270
People complain about the hard win conditions, but I think Enhance is a pretty understated problem too. It just makes deckbuilding way too easy when you have cards that are both efficient earlygame AND lategame.

>>174340270
Banlist will literally turn into "let's make very craft shit by banning all the good stuff they have"
For example, why the fuck would you play Sword if Albert, all the Storm and Rush followers, Luminous Mage, Fangblade Slayer and Floral Fencer were banned? Literally turns into a shitcraft 100 to a 0 real quick.

>>174340270
>if people just do their dailies and log off
This is how most people play Shadowverse, actually.

>>174340203
It would've been exactly the same result had he ran into Dragon and he likes Dragon.

>>174340139
Spend an ep for some underwheming effect. This card is so DE. probably a leftover from DE development.

How many take two achievment are there? How do you climb the take two ladder?

>>174340632
That's what I've been doing since September but now there are days I can't be assed to play a single game.

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Gib concede pls 78664

>>174340632
It wasn't always that way. In Standard I played all the way till DE came out for fun alone. Then Seraph and Tempo Elf happened.

>>174340612
Out of all those cards, Albert is probably the only one that people actually complain about. Even Luminous Mage doesn't get that much shit (although she very much deserves to, it just goes to show how broken Albert is in comparison)

Sword was good when it had none of those things and nobody complains about Fencer.

>>174340685
>comparing Dragoncraft to shadow
Atleast I can frogsword/kys blood those dragonshitters.

>>174340802
There's no ladder, you get matched with random people of all ranks.

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>>174340215
Thank you Soh

I'm so unmotivated to play I can't even do my daily quests let alone get the monthly sleeves

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53070
Need a concede please

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>>174340983
Do it for me, anon.

>>174340969
>nobody complains about Fencer

Not anymore at least.

>>174341028
ty luna, hitler did nothing wrong

>>174340983
I've been running a suicide aggro blood deck to do that shit

either I die or they die quickly

gets those points pretty quickly, most games last under 5 minutes

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>>174340837
Danke

>after nerfs elf will be 30% of the ladder
>because how OP roach is Csword will rise being 15 of the ladder
>dragon and shadow will be only 8% each
>blood will be shit tier
>haven too
>run will be shiter tier

>>174340632
You are supposed to play games for fun, not for dailies.

>>174341186
Can't wait man
forest 60% winrate incoming

>>174341362
Playing 7-8 games per day for dailies is enough for most casual people. If they enjoy it, they'll continue playing, and if they don't, they'll simply just quit.

>>174341573
they already have

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>put in soul conversion
>always in my hand bricking it hard
>literally had game where i soul conversion into 2 soul conversions
>remove it from deck
>can't draw shit, hand is garbage all the time

>>174341713
two is enough

>>174341362
It's fun but there's no goal outside of finishing dailies, grinding for Master score is a waste of time.

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9x200=1800vials

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>>174341713
Fririn shilled his list with 3x soul conversion and no Howl to trick netdeckers like you into playing bad cards and dropping good cards.

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>>174341362
Unless SV is your only game dailies are enough to play.

>>174341874
His deck honestly looks awful, I hope this was the case.

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>>174341697
Those tits windows are fucking stupid, ruined her character a bit for me when I realized they're there.

>>174340270
>Seraph
>Dshift
>Catacomb
>Aegis
>Mordecai
>Ouroboros
>Khaiza?
>Wolf+Bolt used together
>Zell
>Daria
>GRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMNIR
>Roach

I'm probably forgetting some things, but at minimum these all need to go. There should also be a clause against evolving storm to face. If not then a definite ban on Albert as well. I'm really not sure how to tackle Blood in general. They have so many cards that swing very easily between unplayable and downright busted, but Vengeance in general would be a lot more powerful if storm and other sources of burst are nerfed.

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>>174341874
>>174341925
>top1 shadow player, who also was #1 and also played shadow in RoB posted his deck
>"his deck honestly looks awful, I hope this was the case"

>>174339780
>god-start
>didn't even start with a 1 drop
>didn't have a turn 3-catacomb
>no orthrus or cerb or soul squisher
>no shadow reaper setup for after a catacomb

That was actually pretty weak start for the shadow player

90990

non-concede match, please!

8/20

>>174341874
>playing Howl in the heal meta
Enjoy burning out in half your games.

>>174342049
discord

>>174341874
>>174341925
>doubting fririn-sama
3 Conversions have worked well for me so far because I never run out of targets and it can pull off some nice combos with Corpse and Thane.

>>174340969
>Albert
>Broken
Stop. Albert can't even hold a candle to half the shit Dragon can throw at you at 9PP. He's easily countered with a simple Ward. Keeping your health above 10 is enough to keep yourself out of Albert lethal range, you can even heal with almost every other craft! Sword does not have that privilege. He IS very good, excellent, but not "broken". "Broken" implies that a card literally has no weakness.

Also, faggots complain about Sword's Rush and Storm followers all the time, which is funny because if you remove Sword's Rush and Storm you are removing one of the key aspects of Sword, it's like removing cards and followers that banish from Haven. Sword is not Sword without Rush and Storm. Also people have complained about Floral Fencer before, you know, not that I blame them, Floral Fencer used to be an insane tempo card that was basically near Prince Catacomb-level cancer, I say used to because there is more insane stuff out there now, unfortunately.

>>174342272
>key
Funny, I don't remember Storm having any particular emphasis on rush or storm in Standard.

>>174342398
i think that anon is tryig to say sub-key words like last words for shadow,can't be attacked with dragon,giving damage to the own leader for blood and bouncing back for shadow.

>>174342272
The only real cancers of this game are D-shift, Lightning Blast, Grimnigger, Zell, Sibyl's body, Aerin, Bahamut being possible to have x3 in a deck.
Daria, Eachtar and roaches could use a look or two as well.

>>174342398
I don't remember Discard being a thing in Dragon, but what do you know, it became a thing. Expansions exist for a reason, they expand the classes.

Dragoncraft has too many upperhand

Hey guys I'm making a neutralcraft deck and idk what to put in between Well of Destiny or Valkyrie's Spear?

>>174342661
Discard is unique to dragon.
Storm and rush exist in any class.

>>174342656

t. shadowbab

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>>174340270
>a bunch of fat retards on the internet who are assblasted about a necrophiliac, gothic loli are more capable of balancing the game than the developers.

>>174342272
>"Broken" implies that a card literally has no weakness.
Good statline? Yep.
Immediate board impact? Yep.
Good for aggressive victories? Yep.
Good for late wins? Yep.
Good defensively? Yep.

What exactly is Albert's weakness? The fact that he has to attack ward like literally every follower in the game (minus one), including fucking Aegis? Do you know what the word "weakness" means?

>>174342208
thank you very much

>>174342732
Spear

>>174342781
who designed these cards in the first place?

>>174342732
Spear of course.

>>174342656
>catacomb not cancer
>eachtar could "have a look at"

Shadownigger being delusional. Prince catacomb is one of the cards ruining the game right now.

>it's another retard complains about dragon when it can't even beat forest and blood in tournament performance while shadow makes up 75% of the final decks

>>174342781
Balance is an unattainable ideal. It's more of a simple question of whether you want to play against literally nothing but these >>174342035 cards for the next 3 months. If you want to then Ladder is always there waiting for you.

>>174340595
I think you couldn't be more wrong about that. I believe Enhance is an elegant solution to make cards always decent, nothing feels worse than needing some meaningful present on late game and drawing your early game. And knowing that they implemented enhance that side-steps the issue gracefully.

>>174342656
Bahamut is absolutely trivial to deal with. The problem is he stalls the game and clears wards, which gives Dragon more time to storm you. The key issue as always is storm.

>>174342656
>no catacomb or any shadow cards

Kys pedonigger.

>>174343042
Early game cards should only be good for the early game, they can't just be good all the time.

>>174343105
not on t7 you moron
especially when they have other targets where you want to use hard removals

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>>174343207
A JO wizard.

>>174341983
>I'm gay btw

>>174343042
I like enhance as a mechanic because it makes decks more versatile than just "I need to win in X turns or I'm fucked". Cards having earlygame and lategame applications is ideal card design and Enhance is a pretty straightforward way to achieve that.

The issue is that there's just not enough variety in enhance cards in general. Each class has like 3 options for good enhance cards only.

>about to win against dragon
>Saha+bahamut+zell
fuck off

that combo shouldn't exist.

>>174343207
>*Angrily adjusts poncho*
>Now listen 'ere you little piece of shit

>>174343202
What exactly is a better removal target than a 10 mana 13/13? Most classes can deal with Bahamut for 3 mana, and the ones that can't have strong enough tempo plays to make up for spending 5.

>>174343253
Erika would be better with a dick.

>>174343105
>bahamut is absolutely trivial to deal with
He invalidates all amulets and says FUCK YOU to late game field presence.

>>174342792
>What exactly is Albert's weakness?
The fact that he's in a class with literally no mechanics.
Banner sword is dead.

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I am the Prince of Catacomb. You may call me Spock for short. I understand some of you here want to rope me with my boney intestines but I assure you my existence is vital to a great cause. You may have doubts. It is reasonable. After all in critical skeletons crisis men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see. Skeletonsmake excellent and efficient servants, but I have no wish to serve under them. We need a real leader who can get us out of this meta crisis. A leader who understands that insufficient shadow invites danger, and the needsof the many outweigh the needs of the few. What is it that makes one man an exceptionalleader? We see indications that it is his negative side which makes him strong, that his “evil” side, if you will, properly controlled and disciplined, is vital to his strength. When there is noemotion, there is no motive for violence. Withoutfollowers, evil cannot spread. Death is thebeginningof life, not the end of it. If I turn everyone into a skeleton, and when the skeleton dies it turns into another skeleton, then a crisis no more!

I realize that being a skeleton does have its fascination, even under circumstances such as these, but I neither enjoy the idea of being skeleton nor am I frightened of it. It simply exists, and I will do whatever logically needs to be done. If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have tolivein them. #skeletonism #poc #spock

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>>174343493

66280

this is going to be cheeky but one more non-concede match would make me very happy, thanks

>>174343195
Why? Where does it say that a card having flexibility outside of it initial use is a negative? If anything it helps mitigate the dread feeling of drawing badly by giving you enhance options.

>>174343307
I think given time this will become less and less of an issue, Grimnir only looks so ridiculous because there's not a lot more good enhance cards easily accessible. But this expansion brought some really nice enhances which gives us hope for them expanding a lot more on the mechanic. Of the top of my head I can name Aerin, Grimnir, Jungle Warden, Baphomet, Ginger (This one has a lot of fucking potential, we even saw some insane OTKs with Crystal Bombarder and she barely has support atm)

>>174343486
>Most classes can deal with Bahamut for 3 mana

What? The only good 3 mana that can kill Baha is Dragoon Scyther.

>>174343545
Aggro Sword and Frog still make use of Commander/Officer synergy.

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>>174343253

>>174343534
I admit, I forgot to take into account the amulet fuckery. That sours my opinion of both Bahamut and Lightning Blast quite a lot.

I like amulet removal being an option, but an already powerful card completely fucking amulet-based strategies purely incidentally is pretty oppressive.

>>174343728
They're also trash decks.

>>174343486
>What exactly is a better removal target
rahab, sibyl, ouro, any high level saha combo piece
you name it

>>174343728
>frog

Who fucking cares about that trash.

>>174343156
>>174342973
Catacomb is fine you niggers. The problem is how easily skeletons rack shadows up, he makes sticky minions which is not the problem because you can deal with that. The whole issue is that you can't tech for Shadow's early aggression or you get fucked by Dragon. Orthus is a fine card with a strong effect but a dogshit body. Shadow Reaper is somewhat cancerous but can be dealt with as well. The whole fucking problem is that you rack up enough shadows that soulsquasher's and Eachtar's effects become trivially easy to trigger and fuck you up. Zombie Party could also be checked because the enhance is very strong.
Make 1/1 skeletons banished instead of destroyed when they die, nerf Dragon so people don't have to build their decks to survive it and can tech against Shadow and it will be fine.

>>174343816
>incidentally
It's not incidental, Cygames made it to fuck over PtP and Elana.

>>174342272
First of all storm and rush are not unique to sword and sword certainly didn't have anywhere near a monopoly on it in standard or DE. In fact dragon had the strongest storm followers with Forte and Genesis Dragon, and storm haven existed as well and got a bunch of support in DE. Sword's real mechanic is officer/commander interactions which was certainly a thing in standard since that is where most of the cards that have effects that actually use those keywords come from. Even in DE it saw use with banner decks to become the popular and cheap aggro alternative. Only in RoB did they decide to abandon that shit and just start defining sword with storm/rush

>he has to attack ward
That's not a weakness when every other minion bar a few has to do the exact same thing. Albert is still an insanely broken card and the only reason sword isn't top-tier is not because Albert isn't good enough, it's because the rest of the deck isn't good enough.

The only problem I see in the future is that they've fucked up the game so hard with board clears and removals that trying to create officer/commander synergy is nigh impossible anymore.

>>174343591
Is this pasta?

>everyone here is f2p
>they have 1 or 2 legendaries in most of their decks instead of 3 copies
>they only have 1, maybe 2 actual decks, usually aggro and still missing key gold and legendaries for the actual decks
>they are ALL experts on the game that know the ins and outs of every deck, but only quote winrates from self reported site that is somehow more credible than masters players with 1000+ games of the same deck

Dragon isnt OP guys. I played it myself. Only missing 8 legendaries, so its pretty accurate to the full list and can lose to other decks.

>>174343968
>Catacomb is fine you niggers.

I don't even bother to read the rest of your post. The reason why Reaper, Orthrus and Eachtar are really strong is because of that faggot.

>>174343685
>deathbrand
>scyther
>sword's scyther
>petrify

That leaves just Haven, Blood, and Elf.

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>>174343968
>shadow is completely fine, they actually keep Dragon in check so nerf it please

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pretty

>>174344045
Mate, everyone with 5+ months of playtime should have access to every deck in the game by this point if they did their dailies every day-

>>174344127
>deathbrand
>ruthless assassin
>good

????

>>174343968
they both needs nerfs

rahab need to be made a 2/4, and the healing+ramp cards need to be nerfed

when will cygames understand that having cards do healing+something else (see elena) is fucking cancerous?

>>174342781
I was an administrator and coder for a card game for 4 years, so yes I do have the confidence that I could do a better job than them

13319
pls

>>174344103
Reaper was strong before catacomb existed.

>>174343989
Random quotes from Spock pieced together.

>>174343968
>catacomb is fine
>the real issue is the shadow generation
>catacomb totally isn't enabling every necromancy card
What's the point in midnight haunt when you can just spam catacombs.
I do agree that Zombie Party is cancer though. With Death's breath, Thane, Eachtar and Catacomb, you literally never run out of board outside of facing a greedy dragon that managed to get to 10 and spam bahamuts and lightning blasts.

>>174344329
>actually complaining about rahab

Are you D rank or something?

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>>174340270
/svg/ official banlist:
using evolution points at all
anything that has, gains, or gives storm
anything that has, gains, or gives rush
anything that has, gains, or gives neutralcraft synergy (i.e. owl of balance, valkyrie spear, etc.)
anything that has, gains or gives ward and cost's less than 5 mana
anything that buffs the stats of an allied follower and costs less than 4 mana
anything that ramps
dshift
seraph
aegis
satan
mordecai
roland
forest anomaly
bahamut
lightning blast
salamander's breath
otohime
dance of death
guardian sun
reaper
catacomb prince
orthrus
sage commander
walfrid
front guard
path to purgatory
juno's secret laboratory
professor taboo
magical big guy
arriet
conjuring force
daria
blackened scripture
judge of retribution
acolyte's light
carrot
hare of illusions
anything that has "can't be targeted", "can't be attacked", or "ambush"
any card that directly heals more than 2 hp at a time (conditional or not)
any card that directly burns more than 2 hp at a time (conditional or not) (i.e. vampy does not directly burn on her own but vampire fortress does)
any removal spell that could potentially target more than one enemy
any cards that randomly targets an enemy for destruction (i.e. tribunal and lurching is banned but not may)
any card that puts a banned card into your hand (conditional or not)
any card that directly puts a banned card onto the battlefield (i.e. lord of the flies is banned but not nep because she will pull the non-banned cards from your deck)
If I forgot anything go ahead and tell me and I will evaluate if it should be added to the list.

>>174343975
Those are just two amulets. There are many, many more than that in the game, and they are the ones that are getting fucked incidentally. PTP probably would need to go though. Elana might be okay because most classes are better at fielding and removing in general than they were in DE.

>>174344415
>grimnir into rahab
>2/5 ward as early as turn 3

>>174344432
So KYS Blood is fine.

>>174344045
>im d rank btw

>>174344415
Rahab is fucking retarded, the only class that can reliably deal with it is Shadow, the rest just gets royally fucked if a Dragon player drops it on turn 3/4.

>>174344625
>what is jeno

>>174343968
Eachtar's effect is fucking worthless without a board you moron, rush minions don't win you the game. Catacomb is what enables him to be ridiculous because there is no way for you to double wipe their board. Catacomb enables you to build up retarded sized reapers on turn 4 and 5. Catacomb ensures a minion to constantly buff with cerb/orthrus.

>tech against shadow
The deck that can actually do it still can't beat them. Even dragon has a better winrate against midrange shadow than Haven. You're a fucking idiot, stop posting already.

>>174342792
Do you know what the word "versatile" means? Because it doesn't mean broken. Is every versatile card now broken according to you? Albert would have been nerfed, a long, long, LONG time ago if he was truly broken the way you are exaggerating him right now. Wards are legitimate counters to Albert because, obviously, he's a Storm follower, and obviously, he goes for face when he's played, so a Ward stops him from going face, no? So a Ward is an immediate legitimate counter to a potential turn 9/turn 10 Enchanced evolved Albert. If being unable to play counters to a potential next turn play from your opponent because you can't think one turn ahead, that is not Albert's fault.

>>174343728
Nope, stop talking out of your ass, Aggro doesn't give a shit about Commander/Officer synergy because the whole point of Aggro is to go for face and kill the opponent asap, while the only synergy Frog has is, what, Lecia and White General? If you can even call that "Officer/Commander synergy"? In the case of Frog, Lecia's effect might as well have been Fanfare: All allied Pepe can't be damaged or destroyed by spells and effects until this follower leaves the area and White General's is basically Fanfare: Give +2/+0 to an allied Pepe.

>>174343978
Every Sword list, even Control Sword, runs a shit ton of Rush and Storm cards. Rush and Storm might not have been Sword's thing before RoB, but it is now, so what is your point exactly? Expansions expand into classes, mechanics and gimmicks of classes sometimes bleed into other classes and sometimes other classes even straight up steal them, it happens with CCGs like these. I don't know if you play Magic but it happens all the time there.

>
Every minion has to do the same thing, while not possessing Storm. It is the Storm part of Albert that make Wards a counter to Albert and any other Storm cards. Their objective is to hit face, no? How can they hit face when they are blocked by a Ward?

>>174344368
Shadow literally needs that level of board to be relevant when shift, aegis, and dragon exist. The board clear efficiency in this game is absolutely absurd.

>>174344625

Every class has one cancer early ward, fuck off

>>174344691
A card that doesn't even trade favorably with Rahab.

>>174344432
Add sniffposting and leave

>>174344514
As long as it doesn't run banned cards like laura (gives storm), dark general (gains storm), or soul dealer (has ward and costs less than 5 mana) it is.

>>174344769
Like what?

against Ancient elf you can easily influence its defensive strength by killing its followers before its played

shadoweb imp is a 1/4 so you can easily trade hits on it, and it also does 2 points of damage to the opponent

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>j-just kill him before he ramps to 10
>rahab on t3? just wait for orthus!
>he healed all your dmg with fervor?oh
>sibyl and he's on 9 mana? damn
>bahamut on t7? shieet
>oh you got grimnired and got 13 to the face? ...
>lightning blast..?
literally every fucking game as shadow vs dragon
i want all retarded memers with their half-assed dragon decks shut the fuck up and stop whining about shadow
It's literally impossible to win against dragon

>>174344260
I got 1 legendary in 57 packs for gods expansion.
It took 37 packs to get my first legendary on day 1 and I spent an extra 1000 over this month on 10 more packs and still nothing else. I seriously doubt anyone will have a full set of cards from dailies even if they played from day 1. They would need extreme luck to play Dragon like he says since Ouroboros, Sibyl, Rahab, Grimnir, Israfel are all new and youll need 29,300 vials just for those cards and thats assuming you had 3x Bahamut, 3x Sahaquiel, and other random cards beforehand. So even with some luck on your packs and say 8000 rubies saved up for 80 packs, thats not even going to be close to having the vials to make the deck as f2p without vialing other cards.

>>174344746
Shift couldn't even handle shadow before this expansion and they didn't exactly get anything new for the matchup

>>174344738
*expand the

>>174344738
>Grimnir isn't broken, he's VERSATILE
>he's played in so many decks because he's versatile, not because he's just strictly statistically overpowered or anything

It's funny because Grimnir's overcosted compared to Albert.

>>174344886
funny when I play against dragon he does nothing for 3 turns then puts dragon knight and concedes

>>174344886
t. Beginner 3

>>174343591
>poc

Nigga you white as fuck

>>174344886
Well maybe you should've went first

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>>174344415
Le balanced turn 3 five health point

>>174344886

You suck, just play aggro shadow bro. If you get a good early curve, you win. If he bricks, you win.

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>>174343968
>Catacomb is fine you niggers
catacomb is the synergy enabler that keeps the deck together.
i mean it would work without catacomb, but catacomb is what makes this a high T1 deck.

>>174344769
There's basically nothing that the majority of classes can about rahab to get it off the field turn 3-4.

Shadow gets lucky with orthrus they can crash a skeleton or something and trade with it 1 for 1. Pretty much every other class has to go -1 or -2 to deal with it early.

>>174344950
Because Albert's effect is totally Enchance (9): Deal 10 damage to enemy face right?

>>174344894
Mate, I opened 70 Tempest packs day 1 with the stuff I hoarded and could build a full ramp deck from the word go and I haven't spent a dime on this game.

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Zell should be a neutral card. Dragon has too many big fat storm already and most of them can go face on t6

>>174344329
elana is pure buffing amulet. sybil on the other hand
>need ramp bro
>need heal bro
by the next turn you got your baha ready and health back to full. how fucking retarded is that. at least reduce her stat, 4/5 is still too big for a lego that comes with so many abilities

>>174344886
Dragon is the most broken deck right now and shadow is the only thing remotely keeping it down.

But dragoncucks on /svg/ will defend this garbage 90k vial cancer regardless.

Gimme some daily love
35741

>>174344979
Everyone is white inside.

Zell should be removed from the game, can't believe they gave dragon 5-6 legendaries this exp

Zell should work without evo point

>shadow and blood win the tournaments and have better win rate
>/svg/ complains about dragon

>>174345352
Only with overflow active though. Keep it in line with Laura.

>>174345214
>wanting a neutral storm tool

Are you fucking insane?

>>174345256
Thank you Nep

Zell should only work on dragon cards.

>>174344738
>Every minion has to do the same thing, while not possessing Storm. It is the Storm part of Albert that make Wards a counter to Albert and any other Storm cards. Their objective is to hit face, no? How can they hit face when they are blocked by a Ward?

Wards are not and will never be a full counter to storm minions because of the attacker's choice, and complete inability to prevent your opponent from doing anything on their own turn.

If the game got some kind of reactive trap cards like secrets in hearthstone, only then could we actually see some counters to storm minions.

>>174343968
Shadowbabs everybody. Dragon is not even OP you stupid nigger

>>174345119
It doesn't need to be. Even if his net effect can be conditionally worse, he still gets a massively superior body compared to Grimnir.

>>174345373
Tournaments are completely different from ladder, you retarded mongoloid.

>>174345373
>best of 3 no ban tournaments with casual shitters
>statistically relevant

Youre an idiot. We have masters top ranked players with 1000+ games each posting insane winrates with the deck. But a svg tournament with 8 people is your fucking proof of concept? Shitty battlefly tournaments with 70% byes in first round due to no shows and 40 people total in a best of 3 no ban format where you only have to beat 1 deck, so just target something with blood is your proof?

Fuck off.

>>174345417
It already needs overflow to work you just don't notice because dragon is in overflow by turn 4 now.

>>174345474
>dragon is not even op
Because you have to pay 80k vial for it?

>>174345216
>Dragon is the most broken deck right now
Bullshit. You can counter dragon with dshift, aggro blood, kysblood, aegis haven, control forest, etc
But how the fuck do you counter mid shadow? Even haven can't counter it

>>174345464
Oh no, Dragon can only swing for 11 damage instead of 13. Whatever will they do?

Zell shouldn't give storm at all.

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>win 4 ranked
>win 3 matches with dragon or haven
>win 4 matches with dragon or shadow

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>>174345373
>want to play kys blood
>have 0 bel and dealer
>only enough vials to make 3 leggo
>vialed every meme dealer I've ever gotten

Cygames gives you right to balance 3 cards. What do you change?

>>174345373
t. complete retarded fortefag

>>174345469
>secrets in Hearthstone
>reactive
Make trap card like Yugioh, manual trigger instead of auto

>Dragon with a 2 card combo and an evolve can do 11 damage, or 13 damage with 3 cards and an evolve
>this is overpowered


>Sword does 10 damage with one card and an evolve
This is perfectly acceptable

>>174345614
At least you would need to draw out of 3 cards instead of 9 cards. You will also not be able to do it at 9 pp.

>>174345585
>>174345539
>le tourney and ladder are different meme
Fuck off r eddit

>>174345614
Why does Zell get full Evo stats?
At least giving the option to ward would be nice, but getting your wards smashed sucks.

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>>174345373
Shadowfags are in full force today. "Catacomb is fine you niggers" >>174343968. When you know /svg/ has a ton of shadowniggers, making Shadow T0 was a fucking mistake. At least Dariafags had the decency to shut the fuck up.

Daily reminder to rope every shadow player in any game mode.

Aggro dirt is the most fun I've had in this shit patch so far

>>174345795
Sword does it on turn 9.
Dragon does it on turn 6-7.

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>>174345795
Turn 9 vs turn 5.

>>174345830
This. They are so pathetic that they can't even assume that their deck is a cancer T0

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>>174345767
Took me a while to recognize her without the earbuns

>>174345767
Havenhag is actually cute in this. How the hell did the artist accomplish that?

>>174345609
>You can counter dragon with dshift, aggro blood, kysblood, aegis haven, control forest, etc
sure bro

>>174344287
>gets a valid answer
>I'll just disregard it to save face
It's an anonymous image board, just don't answer you idiot.

>>174345795
>Sword needs the game to last till turn 9 before he can enhance albert
>Dragon is already at 9 PP by turn 4

really activates my almonds

>decide to finally try ranked seriously
>shoot straight up to C in the afternoon
>enter trials for B
>get 3 sword frogs
>first 2 matches in B are shadow with beast-spar-cata-orth

I miss comfy C already...

>>174345609
>control forest counters dragon

Alright buddy

>>174345830
>At least Dariafags had the decency to shut the fuck up.
muh bricks 90% of the time half the time excuses

>>174339279
Earthrite... banish and wards for days.

>>174345957
>actually cute in this
Find me any pic where Eris is not cute

>>174345609
Literally the only decks you listed there that is a counter to dragon is aggro/kys blood.

>aegis and d-shift
Those are the two classes with the lowest winrates against dragon, stop posting such stupid shit.

>>174345585
we have top players do the same for other crafts as well.
in the end, shadow is better than dragon, that's a FACT.

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Zell now belongs to the runers to go with their 3x 0pp flame destroyers. There I fixed Shadowverse

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>>174346184

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>>174338397
>Roland
>French
Deluded Frog

>>174346005
Actually Dragon doesn't get to 9 PP until turn 5. Getting 9 PP on 4 would be useless anyway because when they're going first they need to at least unlock their evolves before they can combo you for 13 damage while putting 8/8 stats on the board and rushing one of your minions down. :^)

>>174345614
It still disables all SahaZell combos.
Meaning no Israfil no Baha
Yes Boros still exists, but at least it's 10pp unless Cavalier'd

>>174345957
They removed her dumb hat

>>174346252
That's the cutest that hag's gonna ever get.

>>174346192
>>174346052
>>174345959
>t. C0

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what are you supposed to do after hitting masters? i have lost all purpose in my life now

all I do is login for dailies

>>174346324
Don't even fucking get me started on cavalier. One understatted minion and Dragon can suddenly Baha the board and swing face in the same turn.

I think DShift needs more support. Hope next expansion add something like "cut the half cost of this card"

>>174345614
It's the same with the Goblin Mage nerf. It doesn't nerf the combo completely but makes it less consistent. Right now, it's too consistent because there are too many targets for muh 10+ burst damage.

>>174346361
>not liking silly hats

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I'm playing on Steam, already have a name and opened a bunch of packs. Am I done for if I want to reroll?

>>174345609
Kill yourself D rank scum

>>174346417
Who even plays Cavalier?

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>>174340213
>pedophiles

>>174346383
lol, sure bro destroy everything with Dshift and control forest!

>>174346413
Play meme decks, you can also test all kind of homebrews you weren't willing to try before in ranked.

>>174346486
The dragon you get matched against when you decide to try playing a ward+removal based deck for once.

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>>174346417
>complaining about cavalier

>>174346413
Meme like there is no tomorrow
I would suggesting making a viable flame and glass deck and posting your results here

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>>174345690
Remove Lightning Blast
Delete Sybil
Cut Rowen and paste him into different folder

>>174346473
Reroll on emulator

>>174346551
>>174346593
I made a ptp shadow deck before which worked sometimes

replacing ptp with tyrant would have easily been a better deck though

>>174346529
That ass ain't no little girl

>>174346660
>complaining about Lightning Blast
Why are C ranks allowed to post?
I bet you are a shadownigger as well.

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>>174346660
Do NOT bully Rowen.

When do you guys generally start saving for the next expansion? I still want about 12 golds total and maybe 4-6 legends, I'm unsure when I should stop opening the packs.

>>174345469
>Wards are not and will never be a full counter to storm minions because of the attacker's choice, and complete inability to prevent your opponent from doing anything on their own turn.
By having them not drop a Storm follower and attack you have effectively blocked them, thus begins your counterattack with Ourobos or Elf Queen or what have you. Also, Test of Strength is a thing.

>If the game got some kind of reactive trap cards like secrets in hearthstone, only then could we actually see some counters to storm minions.
I've suggested this in past threads but unfortunately the traps would probably be auto trigger, knowing the direction Cygames wants the game to go.

>>174345483
You are comparing followers of completely different power levels: Grimnir is a 3 point follower, Albert is a 5 point follower. Of course Albert will be stronger than Grimnir, he costs more. But the thing is, proportionally, Grimnir is simply way more bonkers. Imagine this: what if Grimnir was a 5 point follower like Albert? What would his Enchance effect be, proportionately? Deal 6 damage to all enemies, once a time? Kind of fucking broken, isn't it? Albert isn't even close to Grimnir-level.

>>174346864
I start after the first card reveal

>>174345690
Prince Catabomb: Skeletons get banished when they die, shadownigger no get shadow
Rahab: 4 hp instead of 5
Sybil: No retarded healing

>>174346705
I'm having fun messing around with Atomeme and Frog. Also just tried out Dirt Burn but didn't like it very much, probably gonna go back to fixing Nep for the new meta.

>>174346864
Saving for 1 month gives on average 4000 rupies. I will probably start saving at the end of this month. 4k is fine to start a new exp, but I'd like 6-8k.

>>174345924
>>174345945
Did Zell alone allow dragon to ramp to 9-10 pp 3 turns early?

It's the rest of dragons deck and the ramp mechanic that makes it good, that's the entire point. Anyone who claims Albert is not broken because "dragon can ramp" is a retard. The point is dragon got more support for ramp to create an overall stronger package while Sword barely got shit for their midrange/aggro decks after RoB.

Literally every deck in the game would play x3 Alberts in their decks if it was a neutral card.

>>174346864
>>174346925
>>174347050
I don't even have 1/4 of the legos from this expansion
Send help

>>174347053
sounds good, let's make every expansion more and more OP to counter the previous OP bullshit

no need to fix anything since something else broken is already there

the game will be great in a few months

>>174347053
Forest literally just got its own Albert and the Roachfuckers said he's not good enough.

What are the staples for Swordcraft in the Gold/Legendary tier? I'm a new player and I want to know what to buy with my vials

>>174345690
catacomb costs 1 necro for each skelly
zell can only target dragoncraft
ghosts only have rush.

>>174346864
I started saving Day 1 of ToG.

I've already got all the cards for midrange shadow, and I'm nowhere near building ramp dragon so there's really no reason for me to buy tog packs

>face a sword that drops nothing for 4 turns and then surefire bullets an evolved goblin mage

What the heck did I just face

>>174345690
Ancient Lion Spirit 2/4
Evolved 2/4 Banish all enemy cards that cost 3 or less

>>174347053
Since you are taking Dragon as a whole into account, then take Sword as a whole: Sword's core class mechanic is horseshit, so Albert offsets that by being very versatile and good individually. Is Dragon's core class mechanic horseshit? I don't think so.

I just don't know what to do against dragons that reach 10pp.

At that point it's better to just concede. Nothing you can do against infinite bahamuts, lightning blasts, enhanced grimnirs etc.

>>174347219
Alwida for gold, Albert for legendary. The others depend on the decks but those 2 go in everything.

>>174345690
I would refuse the offer and offer to fix storm instead
"Evolving followers with storm the turn they are summoned downgrades their storm to rush, just like what other followers gain on evolve"

LITERALLY
BALANCED

>>174346924
>What would his Enchance effect be, proportionately? Deal 6 damage to all enemies, once a time? Kind of fucking broken, isn't it?
Are you too stupid to understand enhance? You're paying 7 extra mana to do 4 damage to board + opponents face. If the card cost 5 mana base, an enhance 9 would be a weaker effect because you're only paying 4 extra mana. You have no idea how this game works.

>>174347309
this wouldn't be bad

>>174347284
I don't get this. There meta strong as fuck card for every class in this expansion.

>>174347284
If you want to make Ramp Dragon start doing it now because Dragon will just get more and more expensive as more and more legos are released

>>174347219
3 x Alberto Barbossa
3 x Alwida
Those are the only true core stuff.
Others worth mentioning are Tsubaki, Aurelia, Fangblade, Amelia, White Paladin

>>174347219
>legendaries
Albert absolute must-have, it's your wincon
Tsubaki hard removal + ambush body

>golds
Alwida
Fangblade
Grimnir

>>174347446
No, my friend, YOU have no idea how this game works. The power of a card's Enchance is determined by a card's power level aka cost, so the higher a card costs, the more powerful it's Enchance is. Or are you literally implying that 1 cost Albert's Enchance would be attack 14 times no damage is received this turn?

>>174346952
You know, I could live with Sibyl's healing effect if it was evolved form only effect.

>>174347201
>warden
>anywhere near Albert level

There are already 5 mana wards in the game, There are no 5 mana 3/5 storms other than Albert. The card works in control and aggro decks because even if you don't hit face he can still trade with the board without using an evo because he has storm

10 damage on turn 9 with an evolve versus 10 on turn 10 with an evolve, 1 turn matters a lot.

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58680
Please concede

>>174340270
>all male cards

Done.

>>174347862
>10 damage on turn 9 with an evolve versus 10 on turn 10 with an evolve, 1 turn matters a lot.
Good class mechanics matter a lot too, too bad Sword doesn't have them.

>>174347921
Dragon becomes Tier 0 as dragons don't have genders

>>174347876
thnx erika bro

>>174347219
albert is ran in literally everything. Tsubaki sees fairly frequent use and is a very safe craft too, but only once you got your alberts. Aurelia and Roland can be useful but nowhere near the two above. The rest are ignorable.

Alwida is ran in literally everything. Fangblade is pretty popular and due to rush, bane, and face damage when trading can be used in everything. White paladin can see a lot of value as a anti-aggro tech.

Others depend on what type of deck.

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anyone else feel like healing in this game is absolute cancer?

>>174347965
There are only 2 genders, landwhale. "Not having a gender" is not a thing.

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>faggots crying about their favorite eceleb got shat on and ragequitted
L M A O

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>>174347965

>>174348227
The healing isn't the cancer
The value you get WHILE healing is the problem
"lol healing plus a 2/3"
"lol healing plus draw"
"lol healing plus draw plus 2/4"
"lol healing plus amulet reduction"

Healing alone is not the cancer but all the free shit you get along with it is.

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>>174338178
>>>r/Shadowverse

>>174348296
literally whi

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Cutest loli.
Cutest voice.
Please tell me you are not so cruel ruining her voice with dub.

>>174346864
1 month after a set release. Gives you enough rupees to get a large chunk of the new expansion on release, one month more to sort out what's going to be meta and what you can leave alone, and then on to the next.

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>>174348513
Dub everytime (except Grimnir's)

>>174348396
t. unga

>>174347746
I'm sorry but you're just stupid. Literally the majority of enhance effects go base card with base stats --> enhanced card with effect equal to cost. There's nothing that makes a card with higher base stats have better enhance, only certain cards like Albert, Jungle Warden, and Aerin have enhance effects that are unbalanced and that's because gold/legendary cards get to be overpowered in this game.

>>174348651
>tfw you will never see her in anime, let alone as a protagonist because her CV is a no namer.

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what are the staple cards in midshadow?

Also, did anyone try to make control shadow?

>>174348291
There is a difference between gender and sex you cretin.

>>174348227
t. Unga

>>174348493
->
>>174335134
>>174335730
>>174337332
>>174336949

tldr cat testing tier 2-3 deck as usual, keep getting matched with shadow tryhard and cant clear their cancer boardflood. said he had enough sv for a day and will streamed monster hunter instead

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>>174348898

>>174348843
What exactly is your point? Albert still isn't Grimnir-level, and according to your logic, since Grimnir is a Gold, he should scale proportionately like Albert.

>WAAAAAH MUHHHH SHADOOOOWWW

How about we talk about the real aids: Dragon

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>>174349056
Fuck off shadowbab. Shadow is T0, dragon is t2 at most.

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>>174349027
>he doesn't know the difference between gender and sex
Do you speak a thirdworld language by chance

>>174348227
I feel like everyone in this general are too late to the party. Yeah, healing makes you opponent to lose tempo, stalls the game and burn out some deck's resources.

>>174348830
>>174348903
I mean, ya'll can cry unga but lets be honest

Haven can win with no followers on the field for 80% of the game. You literally have no choice but to unga. Then all your ungas get removal bunga'd.
Then comes the hard to counter wincon and heals out the ass and boom, you've lost.

>>174348985
>muh e-celeb
Fuck off

>>174349056
I would honestly play against Rowen (ROWEN) at this fucking point of the game

>>174348882
>what are the staple cards in midshadow?
Deaths breath
eachtar
soulsquisher
orthrus
catacomb
cerb

>>174349165
>this is what retards ACTUALLY believe

>>174349056
They are both cancer.

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>>174348882
>staples
Reaper, Catacomb, Squasher, Cerb, DB, Eachtar, Zombie Party, Orthrus, Thane.
>control shadow
You mean Nep? Non-Nep control probably doesn't work thanks to Dragon.