/fhg/ - For Honor General

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Just got into a debate with some retard on my team who was incredibly insistent that law's top light is confirmed after a shove. Even after telling him that the hundreds of fights I've had since the update prove that he is wrong he just keeps going on about "muh /r/competitiveforhonor."

The best part is that he was an honorfag who just watched me fight a guy that was literally ganking me only seconds before.

>Ubisoft nerfing a character based solely on community bitching instead of statistics

S H I T G A M E

>honorfags in brawl

Don't they know what gamemode this is?

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>>173997057
Whom are you referring to?

>>173997106
My brother and I made millions of $$$ with our newly opened salt refinery business when the game launched.

Didn't even know why we were getting so much "UR A FUCKING SUCK FAG SHIT" messages until I realised they were just autistic and mad that they got #BonkedByConq and #WhompedByWarden at the same time.

>>173996757
He also gets a free gb after blocking a heavy
can kill with an unlocked heavy
cant be punished as hard as other characters after a light parry
he wasn't shit tier but is now

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>start game up for the first time in a month
>queue for dominion which has the highest activity
>wait 15 minutes while it tries to find a lobby
>"Matchmaking failed: Returning to main menu"
>try again, wait 15 minutes again
>same thing
>try once again, wait 15 minutes
>exact same thing

Dead fucking game?

>>173997302
Works on my machine. What platform?

>>173997157
Warden actually has a perfect 50% winrate, that's only plus or minus 3% based on which skill bracket. And even then, the two even each other out.

Yet he's getting nerfed. I main Berzerker and wanted some Warden changes, but not just straight nerfs. That doesn't make sense to me. If hes not getting compensated in some way then Ubisoft knows nothing about their own game and is just appealing to reddit.

>>173997406
PC

>>173997413
Warden is fucking GARBAGE without muh Vortex though. It's absurd how shield bash drains so much stamina but Vortex doesn't.
Warden has pretty much always been what Conq should be.
Warlord is just what happens if you combine a Conq and a Warden together like a maniac.

>>173997217
can't bonq the conq

I'll admit it can be frustrating to get ganged up on but Brawl is obviously not meant to just be dueling.... it's called BRAWL for a reason.

>>173997589
>fast zone
>crushing counter strike
he'd be a mid tier character without a vortex

>lawbringer turtles

Is this the worst matchup for Raider or what

>>173997862

Raider and Lawbringer is almost a mirror match, so it's still fun.

>>173997736
Forming a gank team in a Brawl can be suicide based on matchups though. If a Shugoki is in the equation you're just fucked because they are

B
R
O
K
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With revenge

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n-nani

>>173997905
But the big old farts just block everything. Never fall for my feints, will parry one of my stunning taps every now and again but otherwise just shove -> light and guardbreak spam. Felt like I was playing against a retarded warlord.

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Oh by the way.

Just so you know.

>Ubisoft balances their game based on what Reddit says.
>Ubisoft balances their game based on what their forums say.

Reddit routinely says there is "nothing wrong" with how a Warlord can throw you off an edge - across the map - instantly with an untechable GB. Anyone who has ever played a fighting game past casual moron tier would laugh at this being in a real fighting game

The Ubisoft forums also think the Lawbringer does too much damage.

And don't forget that their forums think Dominion is the game type the game should be balanced from - which is why there's so many "Conqueror is overpowered!" and bitching about full block.

They think Duels are boring and gay and not the core game.

>>173998414
no they don't otherwise pk would have been nerfed dramatically

>people thought ubisoft wouldn't balance based on what the community said
welcome to r6 siege, boys. though r6 has okay balancing because it has an actual pro community around it, this game barely does at this point so balance is fully reddit-based.

>>173998785
Pk should have been nerfed dramatically no matter who they were asking, assuming it wasn't Pk mains

Warden needs a nerf to vortex and a buff to some other skills, since if the vortex is taken away same will happen to Warden as what happened to conqueror.
Shug needs a nerf to charge.
Warlord needs a few more small nerfs, preferably to zone at least.
PK needs light spam nerf and something to encourage her to use deflect and parry instead of just dodge heavy all the time.
Zerk needs some option to alternating ligth-heavy all the time since they'll be too easy to parry.
Conq needs a flail spin rework and a small buff to the overnerfed shield bash.
Raider and Kensei need more pressure tools.
Oro, Nob, LB and Valk feel like they're mostly fine right now.

>>173997834
>Orochi
>Fast zone that's also safe on block
>Can parry any direction for 5 less damage than crushing counter

Wowee

>>173999302
and roach is currently mid tier
but you forget that the crushing counter strike chains into a shoulderbash

>>173999506
in which you can roll away from or interrupt

>>173999553
not if you're out of stamina and they can cancel the shoulderbash into a parry or another crushing counter

>>173999506
Chaining into a shoulder bash becomes nothing if they get rid of Warden's vortex, because without it shoulder bash can always just be dodged. Even if you're exhausted, you can just sidestep it.

>>173999869
It's also actually one of the slowest unblockables in the game, only beaten out in slowness by The Long Arm and Demon's Embrace.

https://youtu.be/BPF_QafJ4jY

>>173999809
your fault. preserve stamina

Alright so how the fuck do I capitalize on when my enemy is out of stamina? Whenever I'm out of stamina I just get shat on, but whenever my opponent is out of breath and I try to take advantage of it nothing ever happens, I don't ever feel like I'm threatening them

>Valk entirely ignores deflects
Fucking epic

>>174000437
Unless you have 50/50s, you don't.

Or if you're against a Peacekeeper. They can just backdash spam forever and you can do nothing about this; if you try to sprint GB, they'll just stop and tech it.

>>173999151
>Roach
>fine
you must be joking

Is PK and orochi zone flicker fixed yet?

>>174000553
Sick

>>174000668
nope
>>174000667
the zone flicker makes him ok

>>174000846
>the zone flicker makes him ok
He still only has 2 attacks, he needs a buff to make the others more viable and a nerf on the top light damage

>>174001113
what could they change?
i haven't really played roach
faster side lights?

>>173999151
>something to encourage [Peacekeeper] to use deflect and parry instead of just dodge heavy all the time.
They already did that by nerfing the side-dodge stabs and buffing the deflect stab. There's a much larger risk/reward tradeoff now: do you go for the safer side-dodge, or do you go for the tighter deflect for a bigger punish?

>>174000667
Orochi IS fine. According to Roman the game director, they say Orochi is balanced right now and is doing okay. They will sooner make changes to the defensive meta before changing Orochi.

>>174000668
>>174000846
In today's devstream, they confirmed that flickering is a bug and will be removed in the near future. You shouldn't rely on it for much longer.
As an aside, the dev blogpost earlier in the week confirmed that soft feinting/GB feinting is also an exploit that will be removed.

>Warden getting neutered because Reddit complained
>Lawbringer becoming the new Warlord because Reddit complained
>Conq got over nerfed because Reddit complained
>Dumpster classes like Berzerker are being left alone because Reddit hasn't complained

Epic

>>174000502
You can blame that on deflects not actually stopping an enemy's chain (unless you count Zerk's auto-GB).

>>174001825
How about blaming it on the fact that Ubi thinks having 500ms light chains with no recovery time? I can block a PK or a Valkyrie, go to attack, and still get hit if they hammer the button. Fun fucking game.

>>174001703
>Warden's nerf hasn't been described but let's act like they're removing everything good about him

>>173997413
>>173984484

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The day of the rope is coming

These DC crashes really upset me with their fucking frequency.
>if a single opponent (or ally) gets assmad they can crash the game and deny 7 other people any results for their time

>>174001994
>The only good thing he has is vortex
>Its been called a vortex nerf, which means it's going to fuck with his options from a shoulder bash, not the bash itself
>The only good thing about Warden is shoulder bash, and the only good thing about shoulder bash is the mixups. And they're nerfing the mixups.

Yeah, i'm willing to bet they're removing everything good about him.

Reminder that Dom is the best game mode with the most balance, most tactics, and most teamwork.

>>174001568
they could make storm rush faster, hurricane blast having hyper armor ( deflect heavy ) and yes slightly faster side lights obviously not too fast but i have no idea how to make riptide not shit.
>>174001576
>Orochi IS fine. According to Roman the game director
And according to him Raider was the pk killer too

so the warriors' den thing happened earlier today? did they say anything we didn't already know?

>>174003319
Nerfs
Shug
Warden
PK
Buff
Raider

Anybody else getting shit performance?

>>174003463
>Raider buffs
And this is what happens when you listen to Reddit. Raider has a decent winrate in skilled matchmaking because he's not a bad fucking character. He has range, he has good confirms, he has fuckhueg damage, and he has great area control. It's going to be another Lawbringer situation where they buff him to just be broken like another character instead of slightly buffing his lacking areas.

>>174002158
>Problem is without it warden imo has no way to open an attack.

He's right, you know.

Would giving warden's shoulder bash a clear "point of no return" be an acceptable nerf?
Where they have to go through the actual shoulder bash and can't cancel into parry or guard break?
Not too early or it would make the bash too easy to react to, but not too late that having a point of no return is negligible.
I don't really play warden much, maybe he already does have a point of no return, but it feels like he can cancel when he's doing the extended charge. It also feels like he can cancel into gb mid charge sometimes, although that's probably me remembering wrong and confusing it for that magnetic slide of the animation of gbing someone who is dodging.
I could be totally wrong here because as I said I don't play warden. If someone can clear up what his actual restrictions are when it comes to his shoulder bash, and when they come into effect I'd be appreciative.

>>174002769
Just nerf his AoE to not be safe on block and come out slower, nerf the damage on top light slightly, and buff his other tools. That's literally it. All Ubisoft has to do to balance these characters is do a little bit of buffs, a little bit of nerfs. Obviously more or less depending on who they are.

>>174003824
Almost as if every other class in the game has that problem and they need to win with their brains

I dont agree with the defensive meta though

post suggestions for fixing defensive meta

-conqueror gets better tracking on bash
-lawbringer shove-light can be dodged but not blocked (confirmed forthcoming)
-raider gets a partial stamina refund on a cancelled zone
-3rd hit of berserker's HHH chain is unblockable
-kensei gets superior light attacks (like shugoki)
-nobushi's hidden stance gets more dodge frames and can throw a kick earlier

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Patch never.

Which hero should I try out for fun?

>>174004653
>-kensei gets superior light attacks (like shugoki)
wat

>>174004769
hybrid master race, go nobushi

>>174004830
i think the game calls them "enhanced light attacks"

not interrupted on block

>>174002578
>gamemode with feats and gear
>balanced

ok

>>174004769
berserker, raider, nobu

>>173998241
>dodge gb after the shove.

>>174004987
Huh, so that's a thing. As they say on leddit, TIL.

>>174005110


Duel is a gamemode where classes are considerably better than others

Feats allow for tactics instead of using the same spreadsheet checklist you have set up

Gear allows variety

Teammode allows teamwork to defeat classes that are considerably more powerful than other classes.

oh man this i skys dude is a massive faggot, hes going to get top mad if he loses

>>174004769

jesus fuck, how do you guys not get sick of playing only 1 person?

>>174004653
>-conqueror gets better tracking on bash
No conqueror needs a rework not a buff on his bash

>-raider gets a partial stamina refund on a cancelled zone
Why?
>-kensei gets superior light attacks (like shugoki)
that could be a good buff for kensei but it doesnt help against defensive meta

Blocking an attack should take stamina with heavies taking a big chunk, they should buff chip damage and when you're out of stamina you cant see damage indicators like with stun attacks minus the whole screen flashing or nerf dodges while out of stam.

>>174005625
>No combat UI when exhausted

That sounds RAD

>>174004769
Have you tried getting a job

>>174002232
You could also say they are getting rid of shitters playing him.

>>174003780
He will probably just get a confirmed hit after a gb.
Which is reasonable.

What can conq do with parries?

I feel like i can't do anything with him.

>>174005998
Conq doesnt even need to parry, you get a free GB every time you block any heavy attack.

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One of the most useful feat. Only Available on one character. Why?

>>174006148

Let's try giving it to Peacekeeper. See how that goes.

>>174005505
>Gear allows variety
yea sure, everyone going max revenge gear still sure is variety.

>>174006148
Doesn't every hero have one class-based (i.e. Vanguard) T4 feat, one faction-based (i.e. Samurai) T4 feat, and one completely unique feat for that specific hero (i.e. Kensei)?

>>174006105
isn't that going to be fixed with the patch thats out on pc?

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All these Warden mains on suicide watch.

People crying about PK not getting nerfed despite how reviled she is in the community.

Warden and PK get nerfed, "waaaaahhhh they listed to leddit, fucking ubicucks", you realize the general here has made the exact same complaints as on Reddit right?

I swear gamers are the worst. Bitch when a company doesn't pay attention to the community, bitch when they do.

I haven't been back on For Honor in a month or so. I main Lawbringer. Any changes I need to get used to?

>>174006372

Teamwork > revenge

Feat cooldown is awesome too

>>174006465
Yeah, but does anyone ever uses Slippery on Raider at all?
Also Morale Booster is mostly useful on elimination. It's hard to tell if your teammates are fighting during dominion and doesn't lasts that long anyway.

>>174006638

One day you will see, everyone across all platforms, all mediums, internet, real life, blacks, whites, asians, everyone everywhere at all times loves to bitch about literally everything that has and ever will exist.

>>174006647
Yes, you now have a 50/50 after landing a Shove.

Either light attack INTO their guard (this is getting patched so you can just light attack wherever), or Guard Break to catch their dodge if they try to dodge the light attack.

>>174006853

I'm also fond of the lightning fast light attack I can apparently do after a parry. Could I always do this? Have I been missing this fun for ten entire Reps?

>>174007058
Light Riposte? That always existed. It got buffed to also Stun now.

>>174007058
yeah dude it's right there in your moveset, light riposte

>>174007138
>>174007140

I'm dumb, then. I've been fighting thinking all I could do off a parry was GB, side heavy, and impale charge.

>>174006240
It wouldn't be much difference, but this could actually buff Raider and Orochi to LEGENDARY status like story mode makes them out to be.

>>174007314
If you parry an enemy light attack (doesn't work on heavies) you can also do an AD MORTEM from top guard that's guaranteed to hit.

>you aren't allowed to start a PVAI match unless you assemble a full lobby
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
I just want to be ABLE to do my goddamn orders without rage-quite fatal errors

>>174007314
Adding to >>174007773, if you parry an enemy's light who's back is to a wall you can do impale riposte (side) then top heavy them and continue your Swift Justice chain.

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FUCKING FAGGOT ASS PEACE KEEPING FAGGOTS KILL YOURSELF!!!!!
REEEEEEEEE

>>174008001
You can turn off matchmaking you idiot.

>>174008001
Senpai. . . . . press settings button and turn of matchmaking. It'd be Square/X button on DS4/Xbox Controller.

So is this game fun yet? Siege sat on my drive for over half a year before it was something near playable.

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You didn't believe it when I said p2p was a mistake for anything other than 1v1.

You didn't believe it when I said PK shouldn't exist.

You didn't believed it when I said lighter classes' zone attacks were bullshit.

Now it's time to suffer.

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god fucking dammit I hate 4v4 modes sometimes

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>>174008523

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>>174000229
>literally takes half of your stamina to reliably escape this strat
>"lol you should have conserved stamina it's your fault"
Are you pretending to be retarded or does it just come naturally?

Consolefag here.

Is impale charge guaranteed off of any parry or not? Most posts on here claim that it's not, but then again, there are some people that claim ad mortem is only guaranteed off of a top light parry.

I'd test it out myself, but again, console.

>>174010175
>Is impale charge guaranteed off of any parry or not?
No.

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r8 my warden

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD MILK FOR MY KHORNE FLAKES etc

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>>174010301
>MILK FOR MY KHORNE FLAKES
Oh god dammit.

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>faggot lawbringer tries to charge me off a bridge
>demon rush him instead
>he hits my hyper armor and I knock him off
>WOW
>WOW
>WOW

>>174010175
it is if you press the button straight after a parry

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>>174003780
Lol how the fuck is lawbringer broken?

>>174005969
He already does. AoE is confirmed after a guard break and it does one and a half bars.

>>174011506
He has a Warlord tier dash mixup, and shove in itself leads into a 50/50 now.

>>174010301
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD BLOOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL SKULL/10

>>174012123
>shove in itself leads into a 50/50 now.
explain

>>174012123
Only if shove connects, and shove is as slow as, if not slower than, post-nerf headbutt.

>>174012123
it does 28 damage
orochi gets 35 damage off gb while rest of the cast gets 30 except for conq (who is dogshit and in need of a rework) and valk (who is overtuned spammy garbage)

why can't he just get a side heavy off gb? fucker. it's arbitrary why he only gets 28 damage from a zone off gb. do not act like it is fair or balanced, moron.

>>174012123
Assassins can parry his zone after guardbreak

how's warden getting nerfed?

>>174012679
Vortex nerf. This is all we know.

>vortex spammers out in full force today because they have to buff up their winrates before the only strategy they know gets nerfed

>>174012274
You can't parry the followup light attack, and apparently it's a bug that you can even block it. So you have to guess whether to dodge or get hit by GB.

>>174012323
It still has a super wide hitbox that tracks.

>>174012410
Damage off of guardbreak shouldn't even be that insane in the first place. Buff guard breaks but nerf damage off of guard breaks.

>>174012534
>characters that have fundamental problems can parry it
Alright, just do light then.

>>174013594
>>174013594
>Damage off of guardbreak shouldn't even be that insane in the first place. Buff guard breaks but nerf damage off of guard breaks.

Sure. Move those goalposts

>>174010301
>male warden
Ugh absolutely disgusting, femwarden is best warden

>>173996750

kek op you stole my meme.

>>174014773
>larping as a woman

your gay

>>174014773
The armor objectively looks better on male warden. Femwarden's proportions are weird.

>>174015278
also my autism can't get over that ponytail, such a liability

>>174015278
But male warden looks too bulky.

>>174015278
I disagree. I think Malewarden looks fucking ridiculous with his fuckhueg shoulders. Plus the autismo can't even hold his sword tip straight down in his idle pose. What a goon.

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>>174015246
>>174014773

anon speaks the truth tbqh, and don't give us the bullshit line of "Muh looking at a guys ass" you know what you're doing. You're a homosexual who wishes they were a woman.

>>174015557
I don't wish I was a woman i'm just not insecure enough to go through the effort of changing off the default gender because i'm worried people will think i'm gay.

>>174015557
I just dont like how bulky male warden looks

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>>174015531
>>174015557

>implying bulky armor looks bad

>valk and PK supposedly have the same timing on their light
>the first is parry bait while the second throws me for a loop
can someone explain this to me?

>>174015801
Found the Warhammer fag who has to mention he's a Warhammer fag.

How's it feel to be a stereotype?

>>174015904

Hey man 40k is dope as fuck, i do read the books but that's about it.

>>173997302
No, it's a matchmaking bug.
If it takes more than 2 or 3 minutes it's not happening and you should try again or restart.

alright. enough

this game is fucking terrible. sf third strike had a balance with defense and offense that inherently made any character capable against other

this shit is just a mess

you can't make a 4v4 game that works and also a 1v1 mode that works

>>174016032
Dude the lore reads like a playground fight.
>my armor's stronger than diamonds!
>well my gun shoots through diamonds!
>yeah but I'm faster than light so you can't hit me with your bullets!
>except they're psychic bullets so you're dead no takebacksies!

>>174015731
>go through the effort of changing off the default gender
Set your purse down and take 5 seconds.

the only character I'd see people picking male instead of female over is conqueror, if only because her emote voice is extremely low pitched and manly, which really throws it all off. But her shield bash/full block stance voice is really adorable so that balances it out.

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>>174015801
>he thinks that looks cool

>>174016170
>not even investing five seconds into aesthetic options that you and everyone else spend hours looking at

truly this is peak masculinity

>>174016150

Is that not literally every sci-fi/fantasy universe ever imagined?

jeez dude had i known you were going to be this salty about being called out on your larping as a woman i would have never had chimed in, you are making yourself look silly.

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>>174016150
>>174016298

Meanwhile at the Imperial Guard playground....

>>174016150
you do realize that 40k is supposed to be a parody at its core, right? Too many people treat it seriously these days, but its a meme.

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>>174016505

Oww boy here comes the "muh rogue trader is the true 40k" meme.

Is there not a summary of the warriors den anywhere? I'm not watching an hour long stream.

>>174016571
the parody didn't end with rogue trader, retard. Have you not seen GW's website about the imperial guard?

>>174016640
>>174003463

>>174016662
meant for
>>174016612

>>174016662
>>174016612

>>174016662
That tells me nothing about what they are
I assume they're
>charge nerf
>shoulder bash nerf
>light nerf
But are there any details?

>>174016298
Not that anon.
And no.
Reading the wiki will have them tell you how terminator armor is impervious to everything, and in the same breath they'll tell tales of everything that tears through it like paper. Which is everything.

is there a way to lock fps to 60 without enabling vsync

>>174016854
No detail but its exactly what you tought it would be

>>174017086
good enough I guess

>>174017019
Weld a PS4 and an Xbone together.

>>174017019
Nvidia Inspector for Nvidia.
MSI Afterburner for both Nvidia/AMD.

>>174016402
god i wish that were me

>>174016402
>>174017827
Explain. What's going on?

>Bro Wardens shoulder isn't op just get used to it lmao it's not even that hard to interrupt
>WHAT? THEY'RE NERFING MY VORTEX? ITS NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR THEY CAN'T DO THIS REEEEEEEEE FUCKING REDDIT
I've waited so fucking long for this Warden salt and it feels so fucking good

>>174017889
imperial guardsmen are effectively the bravest troops in the 40k universe because they're given the WORST gear in the entire setting without any sort of augmentations or anything
it essentially takes an entire firing line of them to kill a space marine
a lone guardsmen against a chaos marine with a lightning claw is the equivalent of a cat tearing up toilet paper

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>>174017889

One guy was saying how 40k is basically a playground fight of mary sues which it is.

but there exists another faction full of a bunch regular humans that get their shit pushed in 24/7

>>174018246
Im a warden main and i dont mind the nerf at all as long they dont make warden orochi tier where his only 2 attacks will be top lights and zone, and even now punishing vortex isnt that hard if you have to do a guessing game so does the warden and dont start with " even if i guess right i cant punish it" because thats false.
>let go of bash, get hit in the face
>cancel into gb, get cgb or also hit in the face
>lv3 bash, dodge and punished with untechable gb
But ofcourse you have to guess right first.

>>174014564
Why is it moving the goalposts to define a point more? The damage he gets off of it is enough to kill at one bar, which is all that matters.

Does the raider not get a side heavy from GB?

>>174019000
N O P E
O
P
E

You get a zone, unless you're fighting an assassin. Then they parry that and you get nothing.

>>174019000
negative, but he does from a wall throw

>>174018808
>even if i guess right i cant punish it
You literally cannot.
>Guess Warden is going to raw shoulder, dodge, but he's instantly able to block and counter GB
>Guess Warden is going to GB, tech it and we're back to neutral

>>174019112
What character do you play?

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Anyone got any idea if they plan on fixing the roachy zone indicator glitch, it's starting to drive me insane.

>>174019112
Dont get hit by it?

>>174019448
Me too, happens with PK and orochi, fucking they know and just spam it.

>>174019112
>Guess Warden is going to guess you're going to top light him to interrupt his bash; he feints it and top lights, you parry him

>>174019448
They are looking into it but it will only be fixed after defense meta is also fixed and its not only roach its every class

>>174018297
>>174018342
And yet they still fight? Sounds badass.

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what's the likelihood of ubi making it so duel is actually viable to level up

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>>174019797
I dont play em on tabletop because I dont like the longrange factions but fluff-wise they're some of my favorites
just average guys going out and facing all the worst horrors of the galaxy knowing that they're either gonna die from the enemy or get shot by their commissar for trying to retreat
they also have the singlemost heroic character in the setting
never forget ollanius pius

>>174019913
I have been playing only duels except when daily orders wants me to do other modes and im rep 17

Is this worth more than $5? I can't bring myself to past 5 for an indie looking game

>would be 3ds version but could wiiu

I've watched the Grumps play through it
INFINADAGGGER!

>>174020098
I'm not saying you dont get anything but if you had spent that time in dom you'd be 30 with shittons of steel, they just need to add more incentive to duels imo
would help queue times too

>>174020201
This thread isn't about Shovel Knight.

>>174020308
fuck me

>>174020373
I'm already in a committed relationship but i'm down to smash if you can keep it on the down-low.

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>get ganked
>one or more of them have buffs
>get revenge and manage to kill one of them
>teammate runs up
>watches as someone with half an overshield fights me at half health
>mfw

>>174020520
What a slut, let's do it

>>174018808
Its not that its unpunishable, its that the punish is not as strong as when you get hit.
If you were to guess game an entire fight, do the calc who would win it.

is nobushi supposed to get viper's retreat off any parry on a long-range character, or only off a specific kind of parry (heavy or light)?

>>174020997
Depending on your char doing a light attack or zone will be the safest option as most light attacks will be extremely tough to parry if you can mix up from where the light comes from.

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I don't even know anymore.

>>174021830
A part of me wants to know what were you actually doing here, trying to vortexing the bot when you could've just parried any of his attacks and threw him down.

And I guess even Warden bots are tired of Warden bullshit. There's only one escape.

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>>174022115
I kind of just go on autopilot against bots because they play weird.

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>Putting paint on metal armor
>Being that autistic

>>174022397
>Putting an edgy teenager emblem on yourself

>>174022486
>falling for the bait

>>174022295
Is it only me or shugoki bots always soft/gb feints and abuses every glitch possible?

>>174022295
>they play weird.
I don't know man. They play predictable as fuck.
They'll try to hit you with an light within 10 seconds usually and will be so predictable about their guard you can just parry them, Hell conqbots then to charge their flail so you can just gb them.

I have more trouble with real players than any bot.

>>174022553
>falling for bait that wanted your bait.

>>174022626
The most predictable bot is lvl 3 Orochi. He just keeps spamming Zephyr Slash every time you parry and punish it.

>>174018246
oh shit, is there nerfs happening?
im a warden and ive been waiting for warden nerfs for so long

>>174022893
Probably some minor nerfs that will not change anything otherwise i hope you will enjoy playing orochi 2 but without the top light damage and an unsafe zone

>>174019913
It IS viable.

just don't be a shitter and 3-0 your matches

Hey valk mains, is there a club where you guys get together and make sure you all are using shitty routers? Because the consistency for this is over the fucking top.

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this is my attempt at a pinkie pie cutie mark emblem

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>>174023786
I'm thinking of changing to.this, though

>>174022893
Same, I hated all the bitching about vortex so much I almost stopped using Warden. Now when I lose I can fully blame it on tiers, something I've gotten very used to when using Zerker :^)

>>174023874
Sexy.

>>173998414
>They think Duels are boring and gay and not the core game
They are. You suggest that the game mode which only benefits maximized turtling behaviour and certain dirty save-poking or universal trapping mechanics isnt gay and unfun?

I don't know what to do anymore.

>>174024237
When you hit that point all thats left is the noose

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>>174010301
Nice. I've been posting about the Chaos stuff for a long time just because I wanted more people do start doing it

>>174023178
well i play warden without shoulder anyway, so it won't be that big a deal

>>174023968
iktf but i dont like most of the class aesthetics

>>174024237
When you hit that point all thats left is the moose

>>174015278
a lot of male warden's shoulders clip through his helmet, that isn't aesthetic

>>174024572
How did you manage to tolerate playing Conq up to rep 3+?

Why can't you determine preferences on your matchmaking? Do they think it'll split up the playerbase too much?

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>>174024572
I've been khorneposting since the beginning

Conq looks like he should be more fun then he actually is.

Warden feels boring yet easier to use

I've played too much Law recently

>>174024572
are you that really bad rep 30 conq?

Why is there revenge on duel? What do the devs want revenge to be? If it's only a counter to getting ganged up, then all revenge ought to only be gained when someone you aren't locked on to attacks. Otherwise, what is it for? To build up after defending a lot?

So I'm reading through the thread and the beginning is full of "wardens on suicide watch" and nerfs this nerfs that.

Has warden actually been nerfed? Is a warden nerf set for the next update? What is happening?

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>>174025076
Nien, I enjoy this game but I just don't have it in my to rush any character to 30. Got silver armor for Conq and Lawman and PK to rep 6.

>>174025371
keep reading

>>174025474
>PK to rep 6

leave this place now

>>174025371
tl;dr a bunch of redditors cried about warden enough to get his vortex nerfed, now "ebin memesters" are spamming the thread with variations of "wardens btfo" and "le warden salt so gud xD" even when multiple warden mains in the thread have already admitted that they aren't too perturbed about the nerf in the first place

So the usual

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>>174025807
Make me

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>>174025807
R8 me

>>174025910
WHAT NERF

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO
SPECIFICS PLEASE

>>174025474
>>174025952
>>174025991
get the fuck out

>>174021830
Oh that made me laugh. Thank you.
I'll be sure to pull something like to to someone soon.

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>>174026093
Nien

>>174026078
there's no specifics, just that the devs said it was getting reworked
or nerfed
one of the two

I wish i could use all the patterns/symbols/colors that i unlocked on my main for the other heroes of that faction.

>>174025910
>We're not upset about him getting a nerf
>BUT THE ONLY REASON HE'S GETTING A NERF IS BECAUSE REDDIT CRIED ABOUT IT, HE WAS BALANCED!
Top fucking kek

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Do Kensai and orochi have retarded fucking GB range or what, I dodge backward and they still can get me with it. I need explanation.

>>174026263

kensei does

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>>174026078
We don't know yet, but they said "vortex spam is coming to an end", to paraphrase the devstream.

Would be nice if they fixed the turtle meta so we wouldn't need le shoulder mixup to open people up in the first place, but we'll see.

>>174026214
>IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS THIS MAKES WHAT YOU SAID INVALID

Not even that guy but jesus fucking christ he's right, he never even said warden was balanced anywhere in his post
it's like a fucking witch hunt where everyone is shouting IT'S A WARDEN MAIN HA LOOK GUYS LOOK
you're worse than the fags defending the shoulder bash

>inb4 salty warden main

rep 10 kensei

>>174026263
Kensei can dodge foward into a GB. So can raider. Orochi you are just getting unlucky with.

>>174025952
>>174025991
if you won't leave at least tell me why you went to the dark side

>>174026263
If they hit GB same time as you hit dodge button most classes would simply track you and GB you.

>>174026715
Why is this a thing.

>>174026426
Literally everyone claiming "Warden was only nerfed because of reddit crying!" is implying that he was balanced and the nerf was not deserved, so yes he's a salty Warden main.

You're retarded if you think someone blaming the nerf on reddit crying and not the fact that the shoulder was broken is them not claiming he was balanced

Is there a way to tell which attack the zerk is doing is a heavy or light during his chain?

I still have trouble parrying or even blocking while i'm getting fucked up.

>>174026757
So that you don't spam dodge. Try this against out of stamina pk or anyone who tends to dash alot. Just get out of guard and run and press guard break button.

What the Fuck is shugoki vortex?

>>174026807
>implying implications
You're retarded if you think you can infer that through text alone and no other evidence

>>174026904
You're a fucking retard.
>Warden was nerfed because of reddit crying
This is very fucking obviously saying that the nerf wasn't needed, and is only happening because people complained.

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Did you know that in shugoki mirror match, hyper armor stops the grab?
Also, why does gaurd breaking an attack seem like pure fucking luck? I try to gb someone and they hit me, im hapf way through my swing, and get gaurd broken, what the Fuck

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Is there a group somewhere dedicated to creating meta-rooms where people can get together to create matchmaking the way they want to play instead of relying on Ubi?

>>174026898
You start sprinting at person. Now he can do his Oni-Rush Charge which'll make you fall down and take a fucking heavy. But if you're smart you'll hit dodge button yes? Wrong. There's also a chance instead of hitting his oni-charge he'll grab you instead so you dodge, get grabbed and now fucked.

The only thing you can do is roll away, even then if you do it wrong you can still fall. So it's either eat a heavy after falling down because you stood there trying to CGB, or You got got guard broken and eat a heavy after failed dodge attempt.

How do I counter a person who is out of stam dodging 100000 times so I cant attack them at all?

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huh, I was starting to get worried that these ugly pieces of shit >>174026418 were the only heroic axeheads 'zerkers had to look forward to.
Glad to find out I was mistaken.

>>174027078
Lock off and run at them. If they dodge, lock on and grab. If they don't dodge, do your hero's running attack.

>>174027078
Have you tried, >>174026871
>get out of guard and run and press guard break button just as they try to dodge.

>>174026620
I actually started as PK because it was fun shitting on people, then I moved on to Conq and Lawman

>>174027078
if they're spamming dodge then they're vulnerable to irreversible GBs

additionally, a lot of characters have their own way of dealing with out of stamina opponents, who're you playing?

>>174027179
>tfw raider has shitty grabcharge

>>174027143
You can get every item in "Heroic" configuration, you just can't get the Heroic only ones in the lower tiers. Same goes for blue.

>>174027143
Rarity thresholds only apply downwards, every single axehead (including the starter ones) can drop in purple rarity.

>>174026993
It's saying that it happened because of it, and nowhere in >>174025910 did they say that warden was balanced

I don't even agree about the reason they say it got nerfed, I'm saying that you're an idiot for trying to infer that off of nothing but your own personal bias towards wardens.

Can you grab shugoki when he's doing his meme charge?

I've done it once before, but he wasn't facing me, and it was at the very beginning of the charge, so I don't know if those factors allowed me to grab him.

>>174026757
I don't know, but it makes dealing with peacekeeper less shitty so I don't complain.

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>be shugoki
>all attacks and sets ups come from heavy attacks
>good at juding distance and trading.and shit
>play against some.fucking lawbringer
> he fucking parries every single heavy I throw
>he fucking counter gaurd breaks every single time
>also too slow to actually dodge any of his unblockable shit
REEEEE STOP PARRYING ITS NOT FAIR IT TAKES AWAY HALF MY ABILITIES!

>>174027379
>The nerf only happened because of reddit crying
>Okay, very obviously you think the nerf wasn't needed and that warden was balanced by saying the nerf was just because of reddit crying
>NO NO NO SEE I DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT WORD FOR WORD, SHUT UP
Jesus christ you people are fucking autistic

Will Ubi ever make a game mode that has no environmental kills?

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>>174027515
You keep doing that full caps thing.

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Ashfeld's a strange-looking place.

>>174027631
It's still 100% true. Saying the nerf is only coming because of people crying is the same thing as saying the nerf is not needed. You're an actual fucking retard if you can't understand this

>>174027556
Why would they? A lot of characters have some of their kit focus on the ability to push or throw people. These maps would make that aspect of their kit worthless.

>>174027641
I dont know what you are talking about, thats pretty much LA in the winter except it goes from desert to snow

>>174027641
A world-shattering Cataclysm will do that.

>>174027729
Because having someone win off a GB isn't fun. For or against.

>>174027143
it's a g o o d b o y e

>>174028060
Game's been out for 2 months, anyone dying to a raw GB has only themselves to blame. If you die to parry GBs, stop spamming and embrace the turtle meta already you hipster.

Just nerf Warlord throw distance and we're all good.

I really enjoy playing this game

I'm not being sarcastic

>>174028280
No one enjoys this game, they love hate it like you love hate your fat ex.

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>>174027641

tfw ubisoft didnt focus on lore

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>>174028280
So do I. I have cautious optimism for Season 2.

>>174028280
I love playing it too.
I just wish it fucking WORKED.

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>fighting a berserker
>he says i'm spamming when i parry him and GB him into something
>he says i'm spamming when i hit him with any attack

well what the fuck do you want me to do??

Is the community still breathing or is it on its last leg? Also, does the game take skill, or is it just abuse the most broken character to win like Souls? I'm planning on getting the game soon.

>>174028574
Turtle up.
Then see what he says.

>>174028280
I do too, I get sad when I think about how Ubi is gonna let it die.

>>174028574
>Fight a Beserker as a Lawbringer
>He's doing literal parry bait side dash heavies nonstop
>Parry them all and GB into heavy shove light
>WOW DO LAWBRINGERS HAVE FUN SPAMMING THE SAME COMBO OVER AND OVER?

>>174028678
Berserker doesn't have side dash heavies, he has side dash lights.

You could've killed him faster with AD MORTEM after each parry.

>>174028814
DELETE THIS YOU FUCK

>>174028620
Its as alive as it was a month ago when people claimed that the game was dead.

Depending on the platform you chose to go with, on ps4 i can tell you that the characters/people you fight vary.
You wont see the same character being played all the time, but you will encounter some more than others.

That being said, anybody that isnt practicing for tournaments isnt going to be annoying to fight (aka; turtles/only safe attacks).

>>174028908
>>174028620
I have built different, various rapports with complete strangers because it seems like I end up against the same 30 people, every game, every day. We're all from southern California

I'm thinking of picking up Kensei again, I used to have fun playing him but ran into some trouble and switched. I can't feint reliably, am I going to suffer playing him again?

For reference I do well with Raider despite not being able to feint.

>>174028620
>>174029542
Post-Soviet Eastern European shithole here, I never see the same people unless I requeue instantly after a game finishes.

I also have green NAT if it matters.

Maybe the game is less popular in the US than the EU?

>>174028678
>Fight zerk as lb
>Everytime I'm close he gets cocky and starts changing guards like an autistic fuck
>Light attacks in the face nonstop
>It works everytime and every side light he makes I parry it till I only have to land a heavy to kill him
>"Wow! Wow! Wow!"
Clockwork

>>174029786
>Playing Lawbringer in elimination against a Conq
>He's strictly turtling, and I have no way to open him up (Console, we don't have the buff)
>Teammates show up to help
>Start flipping him back and forth nonstop
>He dies and we win
>Instantly get a message "Wow learn how to fucking fight on your own"

>>174029564
Dont feint with no common sense.
Condition your enemy into thinking he'll be able to parry your next attack, then feint into a heavy (with kensei) for max damage punish.

Or, if you prefer, condition them to parry your light and get them with a heavy. They wont see it coming and lawbringers will try to ad mortem you if they do get that heavy parry.

Things were so much simpler in the beta.

I wish the community was more fresh.

>>174030280

I meant more I'm bad at remembering to use feints, I have a terrible habit of only remembering Light/Heavy/Dash exist, with only an occasional GB.

>>174030359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-uaqg9Lu2g

the cancer came to quick

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>>174015731
There's no ass to look at because everyone's fully covered in robes and armor.

You are a closeted homosexual.

brawls SUCK

>shitter picks my char (warden)
>proceeds to lose IMMEDIATELY some rounds
>stuck on an unfamiliar char trying to carry his ass

>>174030428

>Bitches on my dick but they aint shit so mother fuck them

Lyrical genius

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>>174016228
>He doesn't like bulky armor
Stop that.

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I never thought a day would come where fighting LB would be annoying. Can't even attack him with light with risk of getting shoved and confirm lighted or guard broken.

>>174030964
>gets hit with a shove
>dodges the "confirm light"
????????

>actively worried about non guaranteed gb
????????????????

>>174030421
Gotta play more and be more conscious of the fight and be in that moment. Try make proper judgment based on the condition of the fight.

Just keep on playing, it will come naturally.

>>174030184
Buff doesn't help at all tho, it's just super armor and that's that I think, oh and free lights after shove

>>174030554
>only familiar with one character

Pretty sure you're a shitter, too

>>174031140

Alright, thanks.

>>174031220
not familiar enough to 1v2 two people who are familiar with theirs

so many chars have shitty aesthetics in this game

>>174031116
You do realize he could also press "Square" after shove right? And if you get GB while dodging it becomes untechable.

>>174031602
if you can dodge, you can block

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>Dragonborn coming to Viking side dlc when?

>>174031737
I can't though. I don't have reflexes fast enough. Next thing you'll say just parry it bro.
I just buffered input for dodge while getting shoved.

Also isn't blocking that attack a bug right now?

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>>174031770

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>>174028426
When

Who should I play if I just wanna be a cunt who only does environmental kills?

About to start playing raider, what do I to do win matches?

>>174032086
raider, shug, warlord, lawbringer

>>174032212
Which one can throw the farthest?

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>>173996750
>Warden Shoulder block vortex is being reworked
About fucking time suck it you Wardenshitters.

>>174032242
Who do you main?

>>174002232
>Unparryable/auto crush counter top light
>One of the fastest zone attacks in the game
>His only worth while move is the vortex though
No nigger.

>>174032236
Warlord can literally just drag his opponents across the map

>>174027641
>>174027807
I dont get it
what looks strange about this

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>>174032385
Kensei since closed beta faggit

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>need to take a break from previous hero
>too tempting on certain maps
>have to mash select warden each match before i hesitate

>>174032532
Woah chill, just asking, me too.

>>174032437
crush counter can be parried though (with sharp timing), i've had it happen to me
besides, parrying a light normally would net you the same damage as warden, or alternatively parrying near a wall

only difference is, if they bait out your light then you're fucked, heavy parry is safer

the zone is the same speed as orochi's, does less damage than warlord's and is slower than pk's while being a guaranteed guard break on block

im not them but i dont know what your point is, all of his abilities bar the vortex have a fault
his side lights are also 600ms (which is fairly slow) and even with double tap only do 20 damage

>>174031818
I won't expect you to parry it if you aren't fast enough to block it man come on

I missed the stream. Is there a tl;dr version of it in the thread?

Do warlord seem stubby to anyone else?

I have such a hard time blocking their attacks and then out of nowehere a headbutt.

>>174033087
what are you two on about? the light goes through your guard if he aims at it. The only way to block it is too use an assassin or move your guard around then block the light, which is impossible on slow guard characters.

>>174033492
side light spamming is really effective coupled with turteling.

>>174030964
Lawbringer is the new cancer meta. Makes me fucking disgusted as a former Lawbringer main.

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What if Warden just had a damaging unblockable attack he can do after attacking or dodging (not out of neutral), but it resets to neutral instead of looping into itself? Would it just be parrybait trash?

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Any roachie changes incoming any time soon, or is there still no reason for me to play this game?

>>174033910
>LB is the new cancer meta
nope that's still PK
switch to Raider if you still want a hipster underpowered class so you don't have to take responsibility for your losses

>>174034263
>Raider
>underpowered
Enough of this fucking meme.

>>174034010
the shoulder is fine as an idea, it just needs to be punishable, have more stamina cost to it that's sheer enough to force a limit to how much it can be done in a row

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