/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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first for preflood earth

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>humans

Fucking wonderful

second for whats best rpg in space 4x?

I've heard people say that building tall is semi-possible now. Someone give me a quick rundown.

>>173989735
>3 jumps from another Empires start
Are you playing tiny?

>>173989820
huge

>>173989816
Beeline habitats and then spam them.

>>173989854
How many Empires did you set to spawn?

>>173989735
fucking SON OF A POTATO!
delet this

>play Stellaris
>make an elaborately thoughtout, balanced fleet
>enemy spams battleships
>get completely fucked
>spam battleships
>win

Why

Guys I need your ideal Hives and fanatical purifiers, metal heads and honourbound warriors for only war galaxy.

>>173989945
20

They're being attacked by a 1K fleet of space amoebas now

>>173989713
Poor little Lemuria.

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>>173990029
Because pic related.

>>173990029
Battleships are actually the worst chassis in the game by far and you're better off not using them.
The only exception is if you already have like 600k fleet power and you fire so many rounds that even though missing 80% of them you still one-shot the enemy fleet.

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>>173990029
Corvettes are to slow, and tracking beat evasion rather hard now.
>>173990121
I find topic of preflood archeology interesting.
Mainstream ignore everything that happen before or outside main narrative.

>>173990029
Battleships are superior in the fact that you can just slap an XL mount along with a few L mounts, then the rest M/S.
The larger the weapon, the worse the tracking on it, henceforth why a couple of battlecruisers with nothing but small/medium mounts will devastate corvettes.

>>173990029
Spam more corvettes then.

>>173990253
What is the best way to deal with Battleships? I made a fleet specifically designed to defeat the battleships the enemy had and they still wrecked my shit. My corvettes were numerous and designed to take down the shields with neutron torps, destroyers take down any enemy torps/missiles, cruisers and battleships pop the enemy battleships with whatever weapon suits their defences the best. I figured I might have 2x or even 3x fewer battleships and still win, but the fucking battleships decimate the corvettes at ease and still damage my battleships without any problems.

Why is it so fucking difficult to make a balanced game where every ship type has a fucking point?

What the fuck is the point of corvettes if you can have a huge battleship fleet that shit on anything less than an equal amount of battleships that are designed to counter those battleships?

If you just spam one type of battleship you will win everything vs the AI,

Ship tiers:

Plantoid >>> Arthropoid >= Molluscoid > Reptillian > Avian = Mammalian > Fungoid

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get in my borders you fuck

>>173990429
I can't think of any good reason to build anything smaller than a cruiser. Every corvette type from the most spammable to the most high quality is just fucking useless.

>>173990859
Corvette torpedo boat spam is pretty powerful

>>173990720
What other weapon types were you using apart from energy torpedoes?

>>173990859
I only use corvettes to act as an expendable meat shield or when fighting the Unbidden. One of the few instances they're actually useful is when they're diverting attention away from the big guns.

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>lose one of my fleets attacking a spectral wraith
>swarm shows up and attacks two warring fallen empires
>2 years later the unbidden show up

I'm fucked

>>173990720
>Why is it so fucking difficult to make a balanced game where every ship type has a fucking point?

Maybe because no one has any idea what space combat might look like? If anything it might be cute to copy 17th century ship of the line, cross the t style naval warfare. It could be hyper speed drivebys with quantum computers calculating targeting systems.
Now that I'm thinking about it, why would a space faring nation even need crew members on their battle fleets? It is also a question of whether armor will catch up to fire power, modern combat consists of tactical, long range, and stealth while combat a hundred years ago consisted of men stand around looks tough. Totally depends on the killing power of weapons.

>>173989735
is there any way to guarantee close Sol spawn?
i want to enslave humans!

>>173990854
how does border competition even work? I never managed to figure it out.

like, if you have your currrently borders and get a +% border range, you gobble it up? and what the fuck is border extrusion?

>>173990935
My corvettes were the only ones with the energy torps. Destroyers had kinetic weapons and everything bigger than that had lasers except for X weapons which were kinetic.

Fleet was 60 corvettes, 40 destroyers, 20 cruisers and 10 battleships.

enemy fleet was something like 20 corvettes, 20 destroyers, 20 cruisers and 20 battleships.

>>173991248
No idea, this was completely random

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Ruh roh

What do?

>>173991183
it's about tricking your enemy into using all of their reaction mass before you do, then hitting them with mass when they can no longer get out of the way.

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>>173991101
>awaken FE attack me
>have 80k stack of corvettes vs 250k stack of titans and escorts
>cheese AI, destroy their transports and occupy their planets
>win war
>unbidden spawn
>beat them at spawn point
>swarm come on the other side of galaxy
>death on arriving
Fanatical purifers for the win.

>>173991298
It all depends on whose systems and outposts are closest to the border, and which empire has the most border extrusion buffs (how far out your borders extend).

>>173991394
It loves you, anon.
Give it a hug.

>>173991353
Did all of the destroyers have PD? because that's a potential over-investment. Only need around 20 PD boats at most for a fleet that small.
Lasers aren't too good. Plasma is much better if you can get it.

And the issue there I don't think is so much that the enemy had slightly more battleships than you. It's that they have an extra 18k or something worth of minerals in both defense and at overpowering your heavy ranged.
Less destroyers, and battleships and more cruisers and a bit more corvettes probably would've done better.

>>173991394
Love the worm Anon... It loves you

>>173991394
EMBRACE THE WORM

>>173991394
What would an explorer do?

>>173991492
But lasers are shit.
You need go full kinetics because muh targeting.

>>173991519
>>173991678
>>173991693
>>173991710

Well, that was fucked.

Are there any fixes for the late game lag on Stellaris? I'm really annoyed, I spent plenty of time on that save.

>>173991827
Hold on to your butt, anon. It's actually a pretty fun quest chain, and you hardly ever get it, so play it to completion.

>>173991394
>there are people who are worried about loving the worm

>>173991846
>Are there any fixes for the late game lag on Stellaris

Yeah, purge the xenos

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>>173991827

Forgot picture

>>173991950
Yeah, some awakened empire swallowed my neighboors. So I guess that's causing it?

>>173992006
The worm shared its love with them

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Ffs. You guys have battered these threads the past week.
An impressive amount of (shit)posting going on.

Some guy was asking in the last thread about DW races, so I made a thing.

>>173992034
A lot of late game lag is caused by all the fleets and planets the AI is running. The more you purge, the less lag you get.

>>173992006
The fun doesn't end there.

>>173992006
Did you make your civillian ship prefix foxy?

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>>173992223
>>173991923

Apparently not. This is exciting if somewhat scary

What next?

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>>173989713

>>173992472
Permit them to go.

>>173992472
>What next?
WHAT WAS WILL BE WHAT WILL BE WAS

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>>173992472
Now... Let's go worship worms

>>173992472
>all those prime worlds
ANON NO

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>>173992349

Yes, judge me

>>173992669

Another scientist lost to this hole. I'm telling you, doesn't look good so far.

>>173992472
just seeing this makes me want to buy the game wtf

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>>173992562
Yeah growing Earth theory.
>that would explain why land crust is old as fuck compared to deepest fresh ocean ones
>would explain how you can find fossils of sea monsters in mountains - everything at some point was under water
2nd favorite to electric universe
>earth were partner in electric exchange with another celestial body
>plasma discharges rip crust and displaced it somewhere else
>fossils are remnants of this
>it do not happen one time

>>173992913
The worm is sharing its love with your empire.

>>173992913
It's good Anon, it will get better...

What mods should I get for Stellaris? I've already downloaded the mod for white humans, anything else needed?

Just ragequit my fanatical purifiers run, due partially to autism but mostly due to Paradox incompetence. I invaded a pre-FTL species on a world that wasn't super-habitable - maybe 50% - to me and migrated a pop there to start filling it out while I exterminated the native life. However, the event that causes residents of a planet to modify their own genes and turn into a different species fired, so my Xenophobic faction was pissed that I "genetically modified my own species" even though I did no such thing. I thought, okay, I'll just purge these dumb motherfuckers for modifying themselves, but the game considered them part of the founding species even though they had their own seperate tab in the species menu, so I wasn't allowed to purge them.

The rest of the game I would have been forced to deal with an impure planet with no ability to get rid of these bastards and that just really rustled me.

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>>173993003
>>173993137

Well, I sacrificed another. Got new tech which is always a positive.

Think I'll follow through with it, I've sacrificed like three five-stars already

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>>173993769
>foxy leif ericson

Hivemind empire any fun? Psychic was shit, and synth was too OP to be fun.

>>173992006
I thought this event chain was broken.
Did the new patch fix that?

>>173993471
Racist scum. You better play diverse or Diversity Police will take you out.

>>173993714
yeah.
Paradiccks hate fun.
What they did it was just limiting gameplay options.

>early game event pirate base spawn ON TOP OF my science ship while its surveying
:^)^))^)^)^

>>173992118
For the short while I played DW I always picked the Dhayut.
Giant spiders of genocide are the best.

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Whipping up a quick trait mod so you don't have to keep picking sedentary and slow leaders as your negatives if anyone is interested

>tfw to autistic to not roleplay each species

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>>173992971
the worldwide cataclysm and the biblical flood have been confused

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What was, will be. Getting showered with tech and all, shame about the scientists though.

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Which one do you prefer, elliptical or spirals?
Which one do you think is better?

When it comes to replicate the Milky Way, do you prefer spiral, for structure, or elliptic, for number (a tiny part of it)?

>>173991394

The Worm genuinely Loves you. By contrast, End of Cycle uses you.

>>173995000
spirals are shit because there's no stars between the arms whatsoever

>>173995000
Elliptical is just more balanced.

Yang is superior.

You know what would have been fun for Hiveminds? Giving them something totally different from the normal Traditions mechanic. Flavor wise, it really makes no sense.

Replacing the normal seven tradition trees with two big, (generally) exclusive hivemind trees would have been much better.

>Ego
For playing tall; the Hivemind gets more efficient at controlling its drones, and eventually becomes a gestalt consciousness above its drones, rather than being formed from them. It becomes an "I", rather than a "We". Bonuses to core worlds, naval capacity, influence, etc and so forth.

>Id
For playing wide; the Hivemind becomes slowly able to create sub-minds within its greater whole, reducing the strain on the lead mind. Bonuses to worlds under sectors, reduced penalties to science and so forth, border range, etc.

>>173995572
Likewise, the tradition system for non-hivemind species is disappointingly shallow.

They don't feel like "traditions" if you'll eventually get them all, sometimes with semi-exclusive ones like Diplomacy and Domination.

Rather, each tree should be expanded to at least three times its current size, with 2-3 Ascendency perks per tree. The cost of traditions increases exponentially for the number of tradition fields you're invested in past 3. Additionally, each tree should have some form of repeating bonus similar to technology, to increase some end-tree effect and act as a unity sink.

>>173995000

I wish there was a globular galaxy generation.

Which is to say, elliptical but deformed with gaps and spindles and star bridges, like a big fuckin globular star formation. It's not even a galaxy.

>>173994889
Dunno about this one.
Great flood happen worldwide when something struck northern cap and melt ice.
Especially north America get hit hard as water from melted ice cover flush south killing everything even stripping soil. And it happen in days, weeks maybe.
There is also geological layer from this time and if you use electric universe model for electric scaring of planet that would make sense.
One thing bugs me. Why science refuse to use bible as any other myth/epos book.

Can non-spiritualist empires still go for psionic ascension?

>>173996093
No.

>>173996007
the biblical flood is 2000BC, no other cultures than those depicted report anything like it, and it fits every detail of the story

the worldwide cataclysm is way before that

>>173996093
Why would the divines bestow their gifts on the non-believers?

>>173995000
>spiral with milky way/humans
>anything else without humans

I prefer 4 arm spiral with hyperlanes

ring with wormholes for much fun

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I hope Gisela Schmidt isn't next

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>>173994926

You can turn yourself into the fish-headed humanoid race if you keep up with it. Then it peters out with no good conclusion.

But you get a really good building with +20% to planet electricity output, and a similar one to government attraction or some shit.

>>173996420
>the the messenger

>>173996249
Nope.
There is plenty other cultures that has it.
Heck even Greeks have one.

>>173996420

The next choice turns all your people into militant fish.

It's pretty meh.

>>173996521
not at the time period it's supposed to be

like I said the worldwide cataclysm has been confused with the flood, don't do it

>>173996651

What global flood? There is no geological evidence of such an event.

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>>173996424
>>173996581

Christ, I don't want to be some fruity fish. Guess it's time to off another scientist, then...

>>173996807
>reading comprehension

>>173996807
wasn't the black sea the result of a flood?

>>173996894

Yeah you should be able to research the strange loop techs now without having to become fish.

I only did it because i was hoping the event would continue and i'd get special void ships or the ability to travel between black holes or some cool shit that paradox just doesn't care about.

>>173997016

Yeah but that was very localized in the black sea. The whole world never flooded, there's not enough water.

>>173994889
http://depodio.com/noah.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g7HYC9Ku_g

more events work with utopia?

>>173987472
Mah nigga.
Naxx are fucking awesome little things, I always befriend their civilizations.

>>173997070

Great ideas for mods or dlc that has to get patched a couple of times before it has all it's features. I like the idea of Stellaris and it's core, but it feels a bit barebones when it could have all that.

>>173997205
that might explain the flood legends around that area.

almost every culture has a flood myth, probably because it was a common natural disaster back then.

>>173996894
You can purge your affected pops so no worry.
Though my earth got pretty fucked like that.

>>173997391
It's Paradox we're talking about. At most, they'll release DLC with the mechanics, "fix" it the following two patches and completely forget about it

Look at how much DLC CK2 and EU4 have. And all the mechanics they introduce are pretty much in limbo excluding the most recent ones.

>republics and HRE in EU4 haven't seen love for years
>CK2 hasn't been about crusades for years

>>173997205
Yeah but it was extremely impressive, there was quite a difference in sea level between the Med and the lakes there, a lot of coastal areas were lost.

>>173989558
>founder species suddenly changes
What the fuck is this?
How do I change it back?
What kinda fuck up makes the tiny species I confined to a tiny planet on the fringes of my empire the fucking FOUNDER SPECIES?
Now my 273 human pops went to Residency citizenship outta fucking nowhere.

Thanks Paradox.

>>173997738

Yeah but why are people talking about global floods and posting pictures of global sea level changes?

>>173996370
>Ring
>With wormholes
>Ring worms

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Who else /hyperlaneonly/ here?

>not competing with other empires to control chokepoints

>>173997762
Happened to me before too. I have no idea what causes it. It seems really random. Maybe it was integrating a vassal that did it? I don't know.

>>173997391
It needs more events like signal horizon.
Also more features would be nice.

>>173997683
>wanting to be a smelly barbarian frank instead of a glorious turkish horselord

>>173995000
Spiral or ring.

>>173997810
idk I just arrived and I was bored.

>>173997762
Did you enable the Sweden option?

>>173997762

You made the slaves psionic? That's the only explanation for that i've seen.

>>173995000
I like spiral 4 arms for randumb aliens.
If I play humans I get triggered at the galaxy size and put elliptical to yes, pretend it's just local stars.

>>173997842
Even muslims don't get any love. Decadence is still fucking broken.

>>173997821
Played a couple of games of it but at the end of the day it's a bit too annoying.

>>173997829
Actually what

>>173997953
This guy said makes sense. I did make them psionic.

>>173997952
Well played.

>>173997821

>try playing hyperlanes
>it takes for-fucking ever to get anywhere
>makes combat 10% more strategic at the expense of 100% more tedious.

I don't know maybe i've been spoiled on wormholes but i just cannot stand having to zigzag for years to get anywhere and having parts of my territory 6+ jumps away from my capital world.

>>173998089
Yeah that shit about a 40k doomstack spawning out of nowhere was bullshit.

best mod to play a swarm bio-enginered adaptative who insert every conquered specie in the swarm aka borg but organic(zerg)

>>173997821
>only Hyperlanes
>only few races in galaxy(but each have few empires)
>3 fanatic purifiers with multiple nations
>one radish hive race with multiple hives
>one materialist race bend on becoming synths with multiple corporations
>one spiritualist race bend on becoming psychics with multiple empires
All on the same biome.
Lets the fight begin.

>>173998145
>has empirically determinable results
>not science

Thanks, paradox.

>>173998275
Not as bad as warp.
>Warp after enemy fleet.
>Your fleet is stuck in warp wind down for 40 days.
>They leave.
Alternatively.
>Warp after enemy fleet.
>Warp wind-
>Ah nope, enemy station in range, your fleet engages it and dodges the wind down.

>>173997821
>swedes
>intelligent

>>173998332
forgot the "?"

>>173998429
They come from another empire, clearly it's propaganda and make-believe. You know how these "divine" people are, always believing bullshit. Wouldn't be surprising if some two-bit magician became another prophet of theirs.

>>173998332
Also, how be a bio-enginered swarm AND fanatical killer(forgot the name)

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It is done. Billions lives, Trillions of credits, and infinite will brought humans this peace. From the rainy plains of northwest Europe, the torch of liberty now illuminates the entire galaxy. The bearers of liberalism overcame genocide, fanaticism, and slavery only to culminate in this moment: a Galactic Empire of Liberty, free from the persecution of zealots and largess of regulators.

>>173998842
>Europe
>liberty

>>173998842
Did you have to actually ally with the newer races in order to win? Or can you just solo it to get the same effect?

>>173998747
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>>173998747
>>173998747
>>173998747

>>173998609
>Special Project: Randi Challenge

Seriously, if it exists, science can understand it. It's just more SJW bullshit to say that there's anything that exists that science cannot understand.

You can fucking bet that if a materialist civ got psionics they'd have a machine to pull shit from the shroud every day within a century.

is giving synth rights and then send them off to slave planets to do science a good idea?

>>173999097
The point is that the materialists didn't get it, that was the spiritualist empire next door...

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>>173991394
Embrace the worm, you puny faggot!

>>173998842
>free from the [...] largess of regulators

Nate Dogg and Warren G would like a word with you.

>>173999074
You generally don't. That's just the text for if the neutral faction wins.
Usually it's singlehandedly done by the player, but the player is often multiple races. And the only difference in the ending description would be changing a plural.

>>173998842
>From the rainy plains of northwest Europe, the torch of liberty now illuminates the entire galaxy.

The torch of liberty was first lit in Greece. I am Greek.

>>173998747
Did you buy DLC?
No?
How sad.
Give your shekels goyim.
No seriously half of the 'free' update is behind of paid DLC.

>>173999232
>those names
Kek. Did you name them yourself?

>>173999318
which dlc? utopia? if so i have

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>>173999097

>>173999097
You're retarded, m8.

>>173999383
fanatical cleaners with ocd
>need be fanatical xenophobe and militarist then choose fanatical cleaners
>hive just choose hive mindset in the middle of ethics

>>173999305
pay denbt

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>>173999305
As amusing as it ever is, as much as modern "greeks" almost deserve it, falseflagging them with such moronic behavior is going a little bit too far.

>>173999305
> first lit in Greece
That's why they had slaves, right

>>173999305
yeah but greeks have been turkish rape babies for centuries now

>>173999014
>>173999305
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line
excuse my angloposting
>>173999074
What's annoying is it forces you into a federation with the other non aligned powers, i had to pull a rabbit out of my ass to get my naval capacity in order.
>>173999240
never thought i'd see that referenced here

victory music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNUwc01dypU

>>173999318
Do you have brain problems buddy?
You can complain about the outrageous price of the DLC, or how lackluster the paid features are, but there is a distinct divide between what the update brings and the paid features.

>>173996894
I gave everyone the retrovirus on my playthrough. It just deforms them into ugly, cancerous blobs and gives them a positive trait. I got "Intelligent".

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>>173998429
>>173998609

>>173998609
Explains why materialists can't reverse engineer psi jump drives and precog battle computers, they refuse to believe they work.

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>>173999790
In mine the humans became "Tfw to smart" noseless big-head aliens.

We also had Psionic power to go along with the Intelligent trait.

I figure it's done by species type.

>>173999548
so hive mind is the way to go? but zergs have psionic powers you know

>>173999786
Hello paradrone.
Its old tradition of paracucks to release free update that introduce some mechanics that can be only fully used if you have paid DLC.
Now go fuck yourself

>>173998429
>>has empirically determinable results
interesting, but false observation.

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>materialtards

>>174000019
Need to brush up on your reading comprehension buddy.

>>173999909
But if they have a scientist that's a psionic himself, they can, right?

>>173999373
I usually name them just so I can tell them apart when something happens.

>>174000049
>Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
>Academician Prokhor Zakharov

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>>173996894

>scientist does this when playing as materialist militarist space foxes
>turns into a fucking horse
>what

>oh well, what's the worst that could happen
>turns everyone on the fucking homeworld into fucking mutants

I built a habitat on the distant edge of the empire and just put everyone from the homeworld on it, I had plenty of other loyal, pure citizens to pick up the gaps, the synths could stay.

I turned off their migration rights after that, they're off somewhere in a sector, toiling away in peace at the edge of the galaxy. Didn't feel right to purge, but I can't let such a blight ruin the image of genetic modification.

Since presentation through music is very important, as delineated in "mood --> immersion --> fun", I've been putting together a playlist for each government type represented in Stellaris.

here's what I have so far:

Hivemind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc_KQt3U3-I

You know what'd be nice? If supressed resources on tiles were greyed/blacked out, rather than just becoming totally invisible.
I'd like to see what resources have been suppressed without actively clicking on each tile, for when I redesign my colonies later on.

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>>174000030
being psychic gives you bonuses. It's not hard to empirically determine that one person was better than the other. People with psychic powers would get psychic powers tests and perform correctly 100% of the time.

What's best species/Gov for space slavers?

>>174000313
>"Mission Accomplished"
>George W Bush.

>"We will seek no wider war."
>Lyndon Johnson just before escalating the war in Vietnam.

>"Read my lips, no new taxes."
>George Bush, two years before passing into law 42 new taxes.

>"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
>Bill Clinton, before the DNA test came back.

>"The ladies love me because I have a two foot long shlong, and can go at it for 50 hours straight, baby!"
>Kim Jong-Un

>"Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing."
>Vladmir Lenin

>"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking your own armies without fighting."
>Georgy Zhukov, The Art of War.

How the FUCK do you guys deal with factions? I keep suppressing them but they don't go away. I even put orbital mind control lasers on all my colonies.

>>174000712
>implying the mission wasn't accomplished

>>174000812
suppression seemed either straight up bugged or otherwise fucked and it only makes the situation worse.

>>173996894
Is that the DLC event chain that has like a tenth of a percent chance of ever firing?

>>174000812
Keep some happy for influence.
Enslave those you don't want to see.

how install mods in pirate stellaris?

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>>173998145
>>173999857
>Make Materialist-Spiritualist a science-religion meme
>Psionic powers make the materialist look like fanatics refusing to accept the truth the moment psionics are on the table

>>174000935
I think it's 0.8% every time you enter a new black hole system.

>>174000812
You gotta hover over the icons at the top of the faction screen and see what's attracting them.

Took me a long while to realize democratic governments and better living standards hugely increased the attraction for Egalitarianism.

>>174000812
>not dealing with them manually

>have a caste system
>find each individual pop in the faction
>force them to work as slaves on the farms and mines in a distant backwater colony

Too bad you can't purge individual pops like before. But I guess that would make it too easy.

>>174001046
Jesus fucking Christ.
I'll just fire it manually, maybe?

>>174001075
That's what I do. Works well.
Materialist/pacifist/trader/militarist factions are easy to keep happy enough so far.

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My first race for my first play.

Meant to be Xenophobes, but Xenophiles make it a odd combo, and thus fun.

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>Galactic Ambitions + Interstellar Dominion + Supremacy Opener
G R O ß
R
O
ß

>>174001075
Would have been much better if it was prussian blue with GroßReich as the name

My fellow Groß Germaniums mememaster

>>174001018

it's dumb because materialists themselves can get psionics in a rare event

the ethics types in stellaris are kind of wooden and silly anyway, let's face it

you can have an authoratarian society which has a strict but generous level of freedom, you can have individualist societies that justify slavery by claiming some men are born to be free and others are not

does xenophobia mean conservative diplomacy, (not getting involved in foreign affairs too much) or genuine dislike of foreigners? Can't someone be OK with living amongst ayys but want their star nation to not involve itself in outside affairs?

>>173989558
If this is for any 4x game, why is it called civ4 general? Just name it 4x general...

What's the highest research bonus anyone has had in Stellaris? With +75 years, intelligent, some tech and the new utopia bonuses, I'm thinking a tech race would be broken.

Is technological acendency ever worh taking? It just seems so weak compared to a lot of the other options. I mean 10% is ok, but there's a lot of shit that gives the same bonus and more.

>>174001506

>If this is for any 4x game, why is it called civ4 general? Just name it 4x general...

Because it's been called that for years straight and that's just what people search for.

>>174001664
I search for Stellaris.

>>174001454
>you can have individualist societies that justify slavery by claiming some men are born to be free and others are not
You can't have that anymore though.
You can have Egalitarian-Xenophobic, who are ok with genocide, but throw a shitfit if you don't give rights to the xenos.

>>174001506
Survey can get you a scientist that has an expertise trait, spark of genius, and then you can make him a cyborg or acquire a synth assistant. Reaching +40% on a single person.

>>174001764
I think he meant IRL, not in Stellaris.

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>>173999857
and the reverse

>>174001664
I always search for 4x.

Anyone else wish you could spend influence to randomize your research choices? That shit is always hit or miss. I played one game where I got everything I needed really early, and I'm playing now for awhile and still haven't got them.

>>174000812
Simple, play as a Hive Mind.

>>174001890
Don't be silly, IRL is some shitty FPRPG, it has no place in 4xg

which is the best name for a swarm who will kill every life on galaxy?

>>174002381
Beta Uprising

>>174002171
Not really, I influence it with the scientist's traits.
Sometimes happens that I have to research a cheap buffer tech or two, but I get what I want.

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>>174001895

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I'm going to try out Stellaris again as my favourite decadent xenophile Illithids. Is it much easier to get psychic now? Can I do it almost immediately?

>>174002403
KEK
no

>>174002420
Which field is Terraforming? I guess in the future if I play a race that needs it quickly, I suppose I should pick up a scientist for that field?

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I wish I didn't take pacifist. I run a good liberating/integrating/enslaving but it takes a long time.

>>174002475
What is this from? Describe the empire build? Looks cool.

>>174002475
>Can I do it almost immediately?
No.

>>174002503
"New Worlds", the flag.

>>174000493
>Wow you are really good at shooting that gun
>YEAH ITS BECAUSE IM ACTUALLY A WIZARD
>Empirical evidence.

Also materialist doesn't equate to science, it equates to the material. Shroud does not exist on the same material plane ergo its a valid reason to no have it

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After the 1.5 update, I've decided to revisit and polish my first civilization. r8

>>174002612
>What is this from?
It's just good old fashioned Dungeons and Dragons Illithids that like to eat brains, keep plenty of slaves for the eating of brains and serve the Elder Brains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illithid

>>174002634
Is it still dependent on getting the RNG psi warrior perk though?

Where my fellow inhabitants of Auriga at? Just finished a campaign as the Cultists making it my second campaign finished (first being as the vaulters.)

Evens decides the next faction I play (that isn't Vaulters or cultists.)

>>174001764

I meant in real life, I was pointing out areas where the Stellaris ethics become quite obviously wooden and incoherent.

>>174001654

Synth evolution is fucking boring, also you can build synths whenever you want, but cyborgs have some bonuses over synths.

Plus you can use those asecendancy perks for other cooler shit, like megastructures and shit.

>>174002795
Dosh Lords

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>>174002465
and that's that

>>174000320
What mod is that background?

>>174002794
>Is it still dependent on getting the RNG psi warrior perk though?
You need to research a tech and get the first ascension perk Mind of Matter, and then raise 2 other traditions for two more perks before you can get Transcendence, so you can get it on your 4th perk... which is pretty late game unless you rush unity.

>>174002870
I know that Spiritualist FE's react to synth ascension but are there other cases?

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>>174002820
Dosh lords it is, does anybody have any special conditions to recommend or advice before I start?

>>174002676
>>Wow you are really good at shooting that gun
>YEAH ITS BECAUSE IM ACTUALLY A WIZARD

>nothing else can explain the accuracy
>many other people with the same claim have the same proficiency
>time to find out what causes this and how to induce it.

Just like that.

>Also materialist doesn't equate to science, it equates to the material. Shroud does not exist on the same material plane ergo its a valid reason to no have it

"material plane" is just hogwash. If it exists in any form any where, it is beholden to rules that can be deduced.

Guys, how does the 'Abandon Planet' wargoal work?

Also, is it true that the Strong trait encourages a militarist faction?

>>174003085
The Larci are not an FE they're the race I usually play as.

I'm going to see how one Psionic empire reacts to another fully awakening now.

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>>174003073
Ah bollocks. I think I'll just play mushroom men or something then.

>>174002870
>serve us much better

>bonuses objectively worse than cyborgs and you lose trait bonuses

>>174003187
>If it exists in any form any where, it is beholden to rules that can be deduced.

Thats simply not how magic works. And if Stellaris was a canon rooted so heavily in the scientific method- we wouldn't have spiritualism as an option to begin with

>>174003353
>Thats simply not how magic works.

>what are spellbooks
>what are schools of wizardry

Seems as though one can learn things about magic. There are stories where magic is tamed by science, they're just not popular, because humans are programmed to prefer comforting lies to harsh truths.

Which is why spiritualism is an option. There's nothing science can do to give your life meaning.

Guys, help.

Pacifist/Xenophobe is so boring, but Agrarian Idyll/Inward Perfection is so overpowered.

Please suggest to me some interesting combinations of ethos/traits that won't gimp my species.

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>>174003757
Stop min maxing and start role playing. give yourself some house rules to work with

What's the path to unlocking the gene changing shit? I want to make my race super powerful with no negatives.

>>174003757

There probably isn't a balance between open and boring in this game.

Right now I'm between:
>fanatical purifiers - gets old quick because all you do is blob and fight
>hive mind - gets old real quick because all you do is blob and sometimes fight
>research pacifists - literally mobile game tier where you spend hours clicking bubbles that pop up and you never fight because you're playing tall and can't afford a fleet until megastructures.

I think it's the game. It has the depth of a mirror.

Will an empire get mad if I march my fleet inside their borders and blow up the artisan troupe? They fucked off after robbing me. I had been their patron for over 100 years.

>>174004475

>he wants to defund PBS
>in a game made by sjw's who think xenophobia is evil always.

-1000 relationship status with every civ in the galaxy.

Exploration phase in my game is now over and in it's place is just big alliance super blocks that won't attack each other. The alliance network that stands against mine is slightly stronger than my alliance and I know that the AI factions will focus me down just like EU4 no doubt.

Is there any way out of this or should I just quit?

>>174004687
Always do small galaxies. The game doesn't have enough content to make large galaxies interesting. You will just end up in a scenario where you will have to win 50 wars before you can beat the game

>>174003218
Yeah, I know they're not an FE. I'm just wondering if those fuckers react to the other ascensions.

should I put afterburners on corvettes?

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>Install Better Empire Names
>Make a Fanatical Purifiers Empire
>Generate a random empire name.
Amazing.

>swarm shows up
>destroys one of my exploring science ships with a 512k fleet
>my total fp is ~150k

How do I win?

>>174004291
Engineered Evolution, need a gene research first and 1 ascension perks already unlocked
Playing it right now, it's pretty strong, work well with Xenophobic/Pacifist
You just tell everyone to fuck off and build tall before unlocking all genes and all colonizations options, then go wide and minmax every sub-species to your needs

>>174004946
I don't think so. I know none react to you getting Psionic ascension at least.

>>174004687
AI factions focusing you are better in alliance network wars because otherwise you'll find your allies surrendering and dragging you down with them.

>>174004856
I've really enjoyed the exploration phase and had fun building up my economy while looking for anomalies and shit but now either nothing is going to happen or all my shit is going to get wrecked.

Small galaxies won't cut it for me. I think even 1k systems is too small to be fair.

Reminder Civ6 > Stalearis

>win a war by just hopping a raiding fleet in and out of enemy territory to pull them away from my worlds
>do this for ten years
>they finally give up
Nice

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>>174005078

>>174005173
Civ hasn't been good as since 4 I'm afraid. Even launch Stellaris blows 5 and 6 out of the water in every regard.

>>174005086
Pick the defender of the galaxy perk, turtle somewhere and/or wait for a FE to wake up

>>174005120
Well, I'm going to quit anyway I might as well break the stalemate of this cold war.

>>174005173
>General called /civ4xg/
>Everyone plays everything but civ games.

>>174004403
agree with you anon, do you know any space game like stellaris which you can rp but still has depth?

>>174005385
I may be fond of pigs but I'm not fond of Civ 6. I'm more fond of Beyond Earth for fuck's sake. Maybe after it gets an expansion.

>>174005439
distant worlds

Anyone have a good slaving empire builld? I want to enslave as many species I can.

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>>174005782

>>174005950
I want to enslave other species, this is good if you want to enslave your owm right?

>>174006021
If you just want to enslave others you can get away with Xenophobe and no egalitarian.

>>174006021
You would probably have a few slaves of your own species working the farms and mines, but as you expand you can enslave entire planets of xenos (and then have your own people transition into science).

>>174006021
Nothing stopping you from giving your species full rights once you have your first slave species.

So, I like to play large maps with not so many AI (like 7-8, 2 fallen civs), but I would like less resources to pop up instead of every fucking system having some, and also I want to limit habitable planets by a shit ton so they are actually rare (since .25 isn't shit).

Recommend me something?

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>>173996249
> Every major religion reports an ancient biblical flood
Haha. Oops.

>>174006325
Distant Worlds

>>174006356
aqua needs to put on a bra

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The event involving getting an Immortal Leader

>>174006587

>immense psychic energy pocket
>just lets someone live forever

Nigga, 100kwh is not a lot of energy.

>>174005495
i say depth like a a lake, or even a sea, but not a freakin ocean.this game is just too complex for me.
also doesnt have the events of stellaris, like become robot or psionics.

>>174006869
I would imagine it has different effects on different leaders.

>>174000493
But the first thing a psychic would learn with his mind powers is that people hate and would either kill or enslave psychics.

>>174006021
Spiritualist and xenophobe for that. Take charismatic as a trait so everyone loves you as you nerve staple them.

>>174007232
Yes and then he forms a Psi Corps faction that eventually takes over.

That'd be awesome. When i saw that you could build the Psi Corps, i really hoped it would lead to actual political or faction shit.

Lol, nope, just numbers.

>>174007167
>admiral_chosen
>leader_trait_general_chosen
>leader_trait_governor_chosen
>leader_trait_ruler_chosen
>leader_trait_scientist_chosen

Seems so, given they're seperated, but I haven't checked ingame.

>>174006536
The animators really like saggy tits.

>>174007232
That's why psychics only work for spiritualist. In a materialist faction, if some cunt starts ignoring the laws of physics, all the butthurt euphorics would freak out and stone him to death for contradicting their reli...empirical truth.

In a spiritualist society, the psychic becomes a holy person who performs miracles for the faithful, and probably has a shit-ton of kids because if women love rockstars, they'll REALLY love a rockstar who can move things with his mind and absolve them of their sins in one go.

And no one is going to tell a saint to bag up.

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>>174007167
>>174007429

unless one of the benefits is "kills people or subjugates them to his will with his mind, or can clear any tile blocker for free on any planet he's on" it's fluff.

There's so much fucking potential for this and the best they implemented was "+15% governing ethics attraction"

I mean, yeah, it is using psychic powers to indoctrinate people, but that should be the first fucking tech of psychic powers, not this highly lauded super-psychic. Fucking Xcom psychics could do more than that.

OH GEE MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY USED SCIENCE TO ENHANCE THEIR PSYCHIC ABILITIES INSTEAD OF INCENSE.

>>174001303
>no fanatic xenophobe

>>174007714
>That's why psychics only work for spiritualist. In a materialist faction, if some cunt starts ignoring the laws of physics, all the butthurt euphorics would freak out and stone him to death for contradicting their reli...empirical truth.

You must be trolling.

>>174007762
Hivemind for that unity, bruv. Going full G R O ß fanatical purifiers would be fun, though.

What other archetypes besides purifiers are there for that kind of play?

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>>174007754
I'll let ya know when I come the opportunity again.

HOW DO I FUCKING

>>174008104
It does surprisingly little damage - I think less than a regular Psionic army, even? - but it looks like it'd insta-rout most things.

>>174007886
> What are witch hunts
> what are sanctions
> What is having most of your freedom curtailed because non psychics want to tell psychics how to live
It's better to just stay silent and reap all the benefits with none of the risks.

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>>174008104
The other sort of avatar you can summon

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>>174005782

>>174008165

Inset benis in vagoo

>>174008104
You can get a ship too right?

I'd like the ability to mind control a subset of another empire's pops with the goal of forming a rebellious faction that wants to side with us.

Subversion, i think it was called in some story.

>>174008291
Well it's 1 being rather than a whole army to be fair and it's health and morale is a good bit larger compared to usual army types.
I'm not sure if it would affect it or not but my species does have the weak trait.

>>174008335
how get vagoo

How does the shroud works?
I had the ability to get there once and then nothing

Now that the Talented trait is only 1 point, is it better than Quick Learners?

>>174008507

$

>>174008507
Comes naturally after you get good

>>174008291
insta-routing means you effectively win every battle though.

>>174001654
It's the ONE option in the game that makes sectors worthwhile.

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>>174008419
see >>174008321

>>174008517
The event tells you the Shroud is available in the contacts menu from then on.
There's an 1800 day cooldown between contact attempts just so you know.

>>174003757
Protip, bro: the Strong trait gives your species an immediate 17% attraction to the Militarist ethic.

When you've milked all the Unity you want out of being a pussy, embrace the Militarist faction and go on a purging-spree.

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>>174008301
>> What are witch hunts
>> what are sanctions

Real consequences that would have interesting RP flavor and interactions with other game mechanics, like factions.

This happened in Babylon 5. Psychics awoke, people flipped, the Psi Corps was formed to forcefully take everyone who showed any psychic power and either nerve stapled them or put them to work in the corps. The Corps eventually used its abilities to form a shadow government and they're the ones actually in control of EarthGov.

They aped every other good idea they had from science fiction, why not make psionics and factions actually interact and make fucking sense? As is, it's just a pointless set of benefits with barely any mechanical interaction with the deeper aspects of the game.

>>174008321
It's a station?

In stelaris is there any logical reason as to why putting planets into sectors prevents you from being able to manage their buildings and shit?
Seems pretty shit and pointless thing to do

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>tfw you conquer most of the galexy which consisted of 6 others and fluxuating defence pacts between them and complete the victory condition before finishing the WORM chain, end game chrisis happens and the two emoires awaken

>tfw no more urge to play on...

>>174008507
you already have a vagoo, anon. it's called boipucci

>>174009163


its shit
use the extended planet cap mods or no sector mod

>>174009121
>ftl capability

>>174008978
Babylon 5 psychics were gene modded by the Vorlon fallen empire because psi powers were super effective against the Shadow fallen empire.

>>174009163
Poorly implemented space feudalism.

>>174008978
All i want from psionics in stellaris is what babylon 5 depicted.

>precursor uplifts
>psionic ascension
>widespread consequences/benefits
>bioships
>thirdspace
>becoming vorlons and repeating the cycle.

I just had a thought, does a FE ever take credit for uplifting your race? That'd be nifty.

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>>174009121
No.
You can even merge it with your fleets if your fleets use psi jump drives.
This one is from a proper game.

>>174007886
I'm really not. People would be much more accepting of magic from god that they would be of scientific proof that there are people who can read your mind.

>>174009325
oh, dur.

>>174009331
Yeah and wouldn't that be fucking fun to play in stellaris, from any of those perspectives? When i first heard of uplifting in this game i was like "i wanna be vorlons/shadows and use lesser races in proxy wars"

>exploring vast galaxy
>we get signal
>some shitty aliens got rekt, want our help
>nah, sorry, we're too busy
>"fuck you!" *click*
>several systems away exploring the great unknown
>we get signal
>"hi, its us again, ready to help us?"

>>174009163
The original idea was probably for them to be autonomous regions or federal states but they probably stopped bothering with that idea when they realised it made no sense for half the governments so they just stuck the feature in with no justification for "balancing" purposes anyway.

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>>174009318
will I have to start over if install either of those?
Because I have been doing well for my first try and I don't wanna start over

>>174008704
>>174002803
I don't mean the tech path that turns you into shitty synths, I mean the Technological Ascendancy ascension. The one that gives you +10% research speed.

>>174009487
Not when you show it to them.

>well we've no idea how it works but we cannot deny the results
>50 years later
>yep this is how it works, you evolved the ability to create force-carrier particles using energy from a pocket dimension that is a part of this universe.

>time between shroud access: 1 day.

Is it unusual to win in 130 years with all the starting setting and sizes untouched?

>>174009834
Oh!

No, that's shit.

>>174009753

nope, it just adds a edict under encourage free thought that increased planet cap

no retard needed

>>174010006
If you're trying to win, not so much no.

>>174008856
Holy shit, you're right.

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>>174009537
> When you get sick of the proxy wars and go for a glass marble victory

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>>174010197
>The unbidden are literally just thirdspace aliens.

Stellaris would be such a better game if they just aped all of babylon 5 instead of just taking bits and pieces.

>>174010069
May I kindly ask for a link
because I can see like 5 or 6 different no sector mods

>>174010230
Is that it?

So what are the ways to win besides galactic conquest and federation building? because if youre not making allies or cracking skulls then youre not doing much of anything.

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>>174005950
my first victims with your slaving empire, transforming the planet right now

>>174010553
If you can somehow claim 60% of the habitable worlds without war, yes. Otherwise, no.

>>174010230

You can't even be like "hey, eat these livestock slaves i set up, what do i get if i give you X amount of life?"?

Fucking lazy.

New to wormholes, how do make the most of them?

Anyone else go the xcom 2 route and take over empires and imagine your doing it in a benovelent way because they are technicaly not slaves and all that spiritual propaganda and armies does the unrest wonders

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>>174008321
When you successfully summon an avatar but can't get it under control.

>>174010554
Good luck.

>>174010758
Benevolent brutal expansionist is fun! Bomb their worlds to dust and still be the goody

>>174010742

You can place them anywhere with open borders.

Put them on the farthest stars in the radius, basically. Not much else to them. They're the best for species focused on war, because you can just alpha strike the enemy's homeworld and respond to any attacks on any planet within your wormhole network.