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Is horde shit nowadays?

cute, but that's not a valid argument anon-kun

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>>173902547
bomb orca

>>173902373
Implying horde wasnt shit.

>>173902716
heard it was better before

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>>173902547

>>173902808
It was better but it was never even ok-tier.

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>>173902547

>>173903212
What's a good corp for someone looking to pvp and make lots of nullsec/wh isk?

>tfw too autistic for small gangs and just stick with large blobs

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>>173902547

>>173903763
I wouldnt recommend wh or null for it. I enjoyed my shor life in TEST during WWB, but comparing it to lowsec its like wastelands. Ive never been in wh so dunno about this one. I would recommend Factional Warfare for nice ISK and cheap pvp. But if you want to be in blob I can't really point you in any direction.

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>>173902547

I think I'll go live in low and finance it with incursions, so I don't have to encounter blobs so much

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Post your favorite looking ship

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>>173907031

>>173903763
TEST, karmafleet, Horde, Brave. They're basically interchangeable for the line member.

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>>173907031

>>173908686
kek

>>173908686
looks like a dog dick

>>173910728
>looks like a dog dick
>eog

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>>173910728

>>173910728
but it's nothing like a dog dick
have you even seen a dog dick before retard i bet you havent

>>173911190
Im pretty sure he has no contact with his father so no.

>>173911282
well i've seen several and i can tell you unless your dog has severe autism thats not how its dick should look

>>173910728
looks like fresh dog poo not a dog penis

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>All these dog dick experts on eog

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>>173911797

>>173868754
Sorry this answer is so late. I use dual monitors and I use virtual desktops and hotkeys to switch between them. I manually control everything and don't use any sort of external programs to modify window size or layout or anything.

>>173906602
incursions are shit in low and few people actually do them

>as usuap, CCP doesn't understand the reason rapid lights are so good and thinks changing the reload will consitute a good "nerf"
Sasuga

>>173913859
I don't know why they're so against the idea of deleting them

>>173913859
they're nerfing the range as well.

>>173913859
the reload speed isn't really what they're looking for.

First they're going to neuter every missile ship so theres no more range bonuses to light missiles. This will stop them from being 60km rape machines and reduce them to their max skilled 35km. Second the HML buff isn't that much at all and its gonna be a big woopty do. Either way RLML's won't be an automatic "I win" anymore purely because the range is so heavily reduced

>>173913915
because they've never outright deleted ANYTHING

>>173914234
this is one of those times when they should. there is no way for a cruiser weapon with frigate application to be balanced. same for rapid heavies

>>173914284
Theres nothing wrong with rapid heavies because heavies on their own apply like ass to cruisers anyway

>>173914553
no. battleship should have battleship application, it doesn't matter whether you think heavies are fine or not

if a ship the same size as yours has zero hope ever of mitigating your damage, shit is broken

>>173914636
>battleship should have battleship application
and no one uses torps because they apply like absolute ass to literally everything thats not a battleship.

>it doesn't matter if you think heavies are fine or not
it doesn't matter if you think battleships should have battleship application or not.

>you can't mitigate Heavy Missile dps

dude a slowboating omen mitigates some 50% of heavy missile damage.

>>173914881
he said ships the same size as yours have zero hope of mitigating, Omen is not a battleship

>let's kill battleships even more

>>173915171
Heavy missiles on a caracal will lose 50% of their damage to a slowboating omen.

Battleships almost never square off 1v1 where one guy is using rapid heavies. Torpedo launchers at that level will do way more damage than rapid heavies in every case.

>>173914881
>and no one uses torps because they apply like absolute ass to literally everything thats not a battleship

actually it's because they're impossible to fit and have less range than battleship blasters

>it doesn't matter if you think battleships should have battleship application or not.

ok, let's just forget about damage application and mitigation, fuck those game mechanics right, they're too complicated and result in too much fun and mixed fleet comps

>dude a slowboating omen mitigates some 50% of heavy missile damage.

I don't care about how balanced heavy missiles are, it can never be a justification for a battleship having cruise application

>>173914234
Industry teams.

>>173915279
>actually it's because they're impossible to fit
No its also because they apply like ass

Enjoy trying to get torpedos to work on anything thats not a battleship or bigger they apply like ass and apply way worse than cruise missiles. Torps only apply great when you use them with stealth bombers because stealth bombers get 50% to explosion radius.

>ok, let's just forget about damage application and mitigation, fuck those game mechanics right, they're too complicated and result in too much fun and mixed fleet comps
I like it how when you came up with "it doesn't matter what you think" and I counter with "it doesn't matter what you think too" you default to this estranged reply about complexity.

>I don't care how bad heavies are, it can never justify a battleship having them
yea it does. They apply like shit, they do barely half their paper dps, hell many cruisers can outright speed tank them purely because they apply like such shit. Rapid heavies work fine for battleships because their application isn't oppressive to cruisers like RLML's are to frigates

>>173915541
>they apply like ass

they're impossible to fit. try it, you can't. you take your rapid heavy meme fit you got off reddit, and try to fit torps. you'll be like 50% over on powergrid and cpu
but also because rapid heavies make them pointless because they have like +1000% application and break the game

>Enjoy trying to get torpedos to work

I've used them successfully in solo and small gang. they aren't very good. you'd have to be a huge retard to think that this has any bearing on rapid lights/heavies not being broken though, I'll be the first to tell you torps need changes

>you default to this estranged reply

because it's going to be hard to explain this to you if you don't see any point in not having all ships applying full dps to everything, it's like you don't even play the game or are a retarded blobfag

>yea it does

hml isn't rhml. I don't care if you think your caracal should do more dps to an omen, it's a separate discussion, a raven is not a caracal

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>but also because rapid heavies make them pointless because they have like +1000% application and break the game
>+1000%
you just pull numbers out your ass?

>>173916089
You can fit torps ez, they are just shit.

>>173916239
I did guess yes. you can look the numbers up and tell me how wrong I am if you like

>>173916256
it's both, and as I've said many times now that doesn't make cruiser application on a battleship ok

>>173916089
>because it's going to be hard to explain this to you
lol nigga what the fuck is there to explain? you think RHML's are as oppressive to cruisers when cruisers can flat out negate 50% the damage by just SLOWBOATING. Try slowboating in a frig and see how much damage you negate from RLML's

RHML's are shit, they apply like ass, they do ass damage because of it.

>RHML isn't HML
yea they are, heavies from a RHML will still lose some 50% the dps regardless. The launcher doesn't magically make the missile apply perfectly to a cruiser like a light missile does to a frig

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>>173916493
>I did guess yes. you can look the numbers up and tell me how wrong I am if you like

A RHML raven gets 330dps with caldari navy scourge

against an omen with an afterburner they do a mere 98.3 dps

but tell me how the RHML menace is overpowered

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>>173916793
Hahaha what the fuck thats 71% damage lost

>>173916554
>yea they are

no, they aren't. a battleship should be doing less % of its dps to a cruiser than a cruiser should. a cruiser should have more damage mitigation opportunities vs a battleship than another cruiser. when you just have shit with retardedly powerful application for no good reason, it just plebs up the game and removes skill and playstyles, fags the game up with muh ehp n+1 garbage

>>173917028
you're stupid as fuck see
>>173916793
71% damage mitigated with an afterburner you stupid fuck

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>when you just have shit with retardedly powerful application for no good reason
>RHML
you can't be serious, you can't be this retarded. This has to be bait.

>a cruiser should have more damage mitigation opportunities
fit an afterburner.

>>173916793
>but tell me how the RHML menace is overpowered

because a torp's stats are 106.5m/s exp velocity, 337.5m explosion radius, and 5 drf. a heavy missile's stats are 121.5m/s explosion velocity, 105m explosion radius and 3.2 drf. one of these is appropriate for a battleship, while the other isn't

>>173917106
>>173917308
honestly just kill yourselves. how many different ways can I phrase the same thing? a battleship should have less damage application than a cruiser. if you have a bonused battleship weapon with cruiser application, then the game is broken

you can reply again telling me that heavy missiles are shit or torps are shit, I never said they aren't, it's not relevant. kys

>>173917656
>ways can I phrase the same thing?
You can just admit you're wrong

theres nothing wrong with RHML's especially when you think they have "retardedly powerful application"

>waste half of magazine to kill a cruiser
>omg so broken

>>173917856
actually at that damage you'd have to waste like 2.5 magazines to kill an AB cruiser

>>173917954
Well you should be fitting some tackle if you want into battleship pvp.

>>173917656
>a battleship should have less damage application than a cruiser.
No one cares what you think

>>173917856
to steelman his argument, to get similar anti-frigate application with non-missiles, you'd need to fit small weapons on your cruiser

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why don't you like me anon?

>>173917856
a tackle-less battleship shouldn't even necessarily be able to kill a cruiser retard. this is the rapid cancer playstyle - "how many kills am I entitled to before I reload and die?". delete that shit and learn what a web is, or perhaps ezmode grapplers, you don't even need to try with these

>>173917805
I'm correct though

>>173918147
kill yourself

>>173918259
>how many kills am I entitled to before I reload and die
You are fucking retarded. You HAVE to use rapid heavies because torps only work on the typhoon and cruises are a joke. Tackle or not.

>>173918259
>I'm correct though
you're not correct in any way just kys you autistic fuck

>>173918441
you're fucking retarded if you think I've not said multiple times that torps are bad

and cruises are fine, kill yourself

>>173918448
your autistic and retarded, stop killing the game by defending rapid memes

>and cruises are fine
lol

>>173918693
kill yourself or explain the issues you're having with cruises

>>173918647
Post your lossmail of this oppressive cruiser genocider battleship you seem to be bullshitting about

>>173918797
post your lossmail of you getting brain damage aspie

oneiros

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>>173920142

too slow, ugly hull, forced into 2L2M reps to be useful, making it 2/3 of a guardian with less tank.

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>>173922847

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>>173907887
>They're basically interchangeable for the line member.

>BRAVE
>get farmed by everyone, 5000 players living in a pipe system

>TEST
>get farmed by Goons, 3 kinds of Russians, PL, NC, WHfags

>Horde
>don't get farmed because PL has your back

>Karmafleet
>farm Co2 and TEST, corp AND alliance SRP, sometimes gets farmed by PL but it's rare compared to TEST, part of the richest and best organized alliance in EVE

>>173924032
>>Horde
>>don't get farmed because PL has your back
Hahaha no.
Have you seen their ratting system?

>>173924032
>don't get farmed because PL has your back
PL is like a an uncle that shows you love by fisting ur butthole

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>Goons

>>173924032
>don't get farmed because PL has your back
kek

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>>173924032
t. horde member

>>173924032
>>173907887
From the PoV of someone that kills all 4 regularly.
I would say TEST and Horde are the best all around for fun.
TEST actually creates content and forms fleets, but they get poked by everyone all the time.
Horde gets farmed but reacts to farms with violent autistic spasms of fleets and get kills their attackers often, and they have PL to kill anyone that drops big ships on them or on their structures but these never happen.

Brave is absolute shit tier now, everyone kills them, they don't kill shit outside of a small inner circle.

Karma will open your gates to *better* corps and make you tons of money but they are shit at content, they are used as a human shield and they don't really create content worth mentioning.

Keep in mind that the way this corps and EVE function, if you are a silent no mic lone wolf faggot you are doomed to a life of being a literally who without friends, forever poor and without content.
So fixing that is 10 times more important than choosing a good corp.

>>173924032
test doesnt get farmed much, esoteria is too out of the way

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>new applicant
>check employment history
>karmafleet
>mfw

>>173925646
>Karma will open your gates to *better* corps and make you tons of money but they are shit at content
I agree with this.

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>test doesnt get farmed much, esoteria is too out of the way

>last thread: cloaky camping
>this thread: RHML and Karmafleet shilling

Fucking business as usual I guess. Why have we been invaded by shitters over the last year?

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>>173925646
>Horde kills their attackers often

Uh, the cap fleet says otherwise.

>Brave is shit

Just started flying with them desu, the WH corp id good at least. Can't say for the rest, but I guess the friendly attitude brings a different crowd to the aggressive autism of Horde and Karmafleet

>Karmafleet opens gates to better

Literally what? Every Goon I talk to hates Karmafleet more than anyone else because they are shit, and everyone else hates Karmafleet because they are Goons.

The best newbie corp is whatever works for you, there is no measure that is not subjective. I enjoyed Horde, but some Brave pilots fucking hate them with a passion because the trolling made them mad.

>>173924381
I know you haven't
90% of every fleet that comes here gets blobbed to death
>inb4 posting an exception and trying to pass it off as rule

>>173927442
BRAVE's main problem is that their space is shit. If they had a nice pocket somewhere they would still get farmed but at least their members could make Isk. Are they even allowed to do exploration outside their space?

If you think you can live in any null corp and do PVE and do not get farmed then you're a lying fuck.

>live in null
>never lost a ratting ship

>live in null
>never lost a ratting ship because I run incursions in high sec on an alt

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bZ_3oobRC4

>We are just throwing stones into a pond and seeing what happens with the ripples

What did he mean by this?

>>173931205
They can't measure players' autism

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What did xhe mean by this?

>>173931482
What was she flying in?

initiated compact warp scrambler

module name

when is weapon tiericide and will there be t2 ammo for t1 guns

>>173935327
that would make too much sense, if alphas could use t2 ammo they might stick around. CCP will let you use t2 ammo in faction guns.

>>173935576
so meta long range guns will be heavily gimped, and meta short range guns will be unusable

thanks ccp

>>173935327
>>173935576
fuck off

You guys are alright, don't go to Jita tomorrow.
>all the other kids

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Any corp recommendations for an NZ-TZ shitter?

>>173936760
join tikle

>>173936760
Become a neet and hang around the EU tz.

>>173937072
as a neet autz guy that has played with all time zones.

EU > AU > US

USTZ is the worst. clappers don't know how to play eve.

>>173936760
biomass irl

>>173937072
>>173937239
When I was a neet, I played with some super autistic euros and did titan hunting and POS bashing. Most fun I had in EVE.

Though I am a wageslave now, not sure if it's even worth trying to get into PVP

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>>173930337
this

incursions ruined my life famalam

how can it not when it earns you as much as carrier ratting but with a fraction of the investment and risk

>>173937702
Big game hunting with autistic people is really fun.

there was an aussie corp that used to do it but they're in pl now

best bet is probably tikle. either that or just find an alliance you like and see if they have a corp with an autz if so throw in an app.

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He loooks like a hisec miner

>>173938961
>thought it was the fuzzworks guy from the thumbnail
Why do all highsec miners look alike?

t. highsec miner

>first time running an invention job
>~45% chance of success per run
>4/20 runs succeeded
T-thanks.

What did he mean by this
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61446478/

>>173941456
TN are clinically retarded, I want to think he was RMTing, but I genuinely can't say.

>>173935327
>when is weapon tiericide and will there be t2 ammo for t1 guns

Pretty sure it's called faction ammo, and it's available right now.

>>173941715
>>173941456
Read the comments and check the kill history.
>It's an extreme kiting fit I was trialling. 113 km lock and drone control setup to kill intys and combat drones. Got separated from fleet.
He was actually getting kills with it too. Sitting at ~13% damage on most of the things his fleet took out on the roam before that. So the fit was functional at least. That said
>Worked very well until getting separated and being slightly slower through the gate than my main fleet.
>Slower through the gate
>Kiting at 113 km
Probably would still be alive if he wasn't a fucking autismo.

>>173941715
I think it's more of an ITAI thing than a TNT thing in this case.

>>173941995
>serious reply to a meme
Fucking faggot are you the same idiot who post a serious reply to "oneiros?" Fucking retard kill yourself.

>>173942158
>I want to think he was RMTing
This is what I was responding to.

>>173942220
>still a serious reply

>>173941995
>13%
>1bil
>Functional
You know what else is functional and can do damage from 113kms instantly?
A 5mil cormorant

>>173942348
That's my point. It did what he wanted, but what he wanted and how he got it was pants-on-head retarded.

>>173942158
>>173942312
TNT fag detected.

>>173942470
this

>>173941995
I appreciate the thought, but I still want to believe this is an RMT ruse.
TNT is braindead, but this is a whole new level, even for them.

>>173918441
What is the absolute maximum web range? I mean you could go for a 50km engagement range and just pump torps from an RNI in to an enemy provided you have the right support.

Touching on something from the previous thread afk cloaking is broken in eve because it is one of the few modules without a direct hard counter. Scanning probes at least you can use ECCM or and implants to make yourself harder to scan down. Every module in eve needs to have another module that can be actively used to counter it but cloaks don't. They're babies first free get out of jail card particularly when talking about covop cloaks.

>>173944482
Huggin with max range webs and links can shit out 100km webs

>>173944482
nerf cloaky camping, but also delay local

>delay local
Do you want even more interceptor blob cancer?

>>173945868
what the fuck does ceptors have to do with local delay?

Should I resub and train my alt to fly a logi? If so, which one? Never flew logi when I played but it always seemed kinda cool.

>>173946573
> but it always seemed kinda cool
it's not, no need to resub

>take the fastest battleship in game
>put plates and trimarks on it
>fit afterburner
What did lowsec mean by this?

>>173946573
>flying normal ship
>target enemy
>press F1
>their hp goes down

>flying logi
>target ally
>press F1
>their hp goes up

So cool.

>>173907723
firetails are the best looking faction frigs

stunt flores

dark blood em plating

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>Scanning sites
>Find a relic
>4 yellow cans and 2 red ones
>Someone already looted the reds and left
>left behind 8 intact armor plates in the yellow cans
And this is why you pop all your cans, or at least give em a scan.

>>173927442
tldr: Fuck Pandemic Legion

As a former BRAVE man I feel the need to weigh in here.
Some people think of Goons as the great enemy. And maybe a long time ago they were. But now their an institution. Continued Goon activities helps drive media attention that promotes new character growth. If you like the game that you play and pay a subscription to, then you have to respect this.

BRAVE is a motley crew of newbies whose lives are fast, bright and short. It teaches new players how to play the game and gives them their sea legs. Fulfilling the vital purpose of maintaining game subscriptions.

And then for no other reason than being bored Pandemic Legion decided to go to Catch. Good fights were had and eventually PL wasn't guaranteed a sub cap win.
>Some real David and Goliath stuff.
But every time we won they would just drop a Cap fleet and then proceed to rape us. Rape us all the time. Months of sustained fleets where we all knew that we were flying to our doom.
>Blue Ice is a god
In the end Pandemic Legion broke BRAVE.
>It happened
In the ashes of Catch PL created Pandemic Horde. A pale imitation of a beautiful thing that they purposely destroyed.

>I fucking hate Pandemic Legion. 7o

>>173949503
>If you like the game
you miscalculated

>>173949503
>Continued Goon activities helps drive media attention that promotes new character growth
Wtf are you talking about

>>173949651
I've had a 9 month break and am considering returning. Is this game fun again yet

>>173951082
Somehow against all probability PL managed to become worse than Goons for the game. In every reference to PL people fear their supercap fleets but consider them as an entity to be raw unbridled cancer slowly poisoning the whole game with their shitty attitudes and blatant cronyism from larrikin/fozzie.

>doesn't like cancerously overpowered corporations
>played eve

Full retard.

>cruising through relatively quiet lowsec to pick up a skillbook
>jump into system, two people in local, one from some industry corp the other in an NPC corp
>get skillbook, inject skillbook
>warp back to gate
>smarbombed
>in the thirty seconds I had been in system some guy logged on, warped to gate, and started bombing
>presumably he'd been waiting with that alt logged in for hours
I lost maybe 5m in ship+fittings and there wasn't anything in my jump clone. The sheer autism required to pull that off though is actually a little bit unsettling.

>>173951108
No.

>>173952210
>autism
>in eve

color me surprised

you should've heard the stories i've heard about autists in this game my man

>>173952210
>fly into dead end system just to scan wormholes
>Nothing going on so I jump back
>Literally the time it takes to burn back to gate they set up a gate camp in a previously empty system for an astero
ok I guess

>>173952210
One of the most effective ways to get things done in this game is to be patient until your enemies say "nobody could be that autistic, he's gotta be afk" and undock.
Then you warp over/decloak your sabre and collect killmails.

>>173941995
if your fit has to be in full bling mode before it can be trialed, it's shit
he's a retard

>>173952314
Usually I get it, because at least they're getting something out of it, even if it's just neat killmails. This though, I checked the guy's kb and the most valuable things he'd gotten in the last week was a pod with some +3 learning implants in it and an exploration frig with ~15m in loot. All that effort, and there's absolutely nothing to show for it. I'm stumped.

>>173904934
What's the idea behind this one other than mining is boring?

>>173952532
It's referencing the common fallacy that resources you produced yourself are free. For example:
>You can refine at a profit even with no skills, as long as you mine the minerals yourself

>>173952532
Comes from highsec retards posting about crazy profit margins on manufacturing T1 goods because they don't take into account to opportunity cost of the minerals they mined.

ex
>build 15m ship for 14m in minerals
>call it 15m profit because you mined the minerals yourself
>spent 2 hours mining, could've run missions afk in a vexor and made 80m instead
Pulling numbers out of my ass but you get the idea.

>>173952357
Killboards were a mistake. Honestly CCP should drastically increase the number of k-k wormholes.

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>paying for minerals

>>173952709
Found one today actually. Was a pleasant surprise. Scanning is the most calming passtime when you're not being chased/chasing someone.

>>173952709
>Killboards were a mistake.
This.

>PvPing for fun
Reasonable.
>PvPing for profit
Good luck, but good on you if you pull it off.
>PvPing to make your killboard look good
Concentrated autism.

Also makes it way too easy to label someone a shitter because of what looks like a stupid lossmail without any regard to circumstances.

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>Minmatar

>combat probe
>doesn't fires at other probes

>Cloaking
>Ship doesn't have a cape

>>173931205
>we don't know what we're doing but we need patches to pretend we care.

>>173940356
i don't understand how inventing shit works and how people make prfit with those retarded % sucess chances.

>>173953442
If you invent enough your actual results will get closer to the success chance. Beyond that, it's all about finding things you can make that have big enough margins to cover however many attempts you had to fail to get a successful run.

Protip: Decryptors that add runs are HUGE for ship invention.

>>173953572
Yea, but if i remember correctly all +run decryptors are complete garbage % chance.

>>173953660
Parity and Attainment decryptors m8. Yes they're expensive, but for T2 ship production it's usually worth it.

>opportunity cost

Something wrong with opportunity cost, anon?

It's how I know you are retarded

Do enlighten me.

>>173953905
>>173954016
>>173954052
>>173954345

You guys can click the post numbers to reply, welcome to 4chan XD, share and upvote me when you get home!?!?!! hehe

>>173954052
>is retarded
>calls non retarded people retarded
/dog/ boys

>>173954474
Hehe
Maybe i wil ltry inventing after my BP's finish cooking and i get some invention gay stuff into our system..i don't do production so i just use slots for some shitty ME\TE research fully knowing that im too retarded to sell those BPO and too lazy to use them myself

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Will Caldari Prime Pony Club ever be updated?

>Caldari Prime Pony Club
kys

>>173954605
Fun thing about invention is the stats on the BPC you invent from matter literally none.

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>>173954690
>he doesn't know CPPC
wanna know how I know you don't actually know what that is and is just shitposting for the sake of being ass retarded?

>>173954727
I mean, TE\ME is still relevant on t1 bpo because you still need t1 shit to build t2 stuff.

>>173954740
What is CPPC then?

>>173954829
>please spoonfeed me after I act retarded and sperg out on /dog/ because I don't actually know how things work or mean
Nah

>>173954794
Fair. But the extra +1% ME on your T1 production isn't going to affect your T2 profit margins all that much. Don't feel like you need to get everything to 10/20 before you do any production at all.

>I don't know how to google
>I would rather post dumb shit on 4 chins

>>173954887

That guy is not me --> >>173954690
I just want to know man, I'll google it but it seems like some sort of secret joke

(you) both the posts and I'll post a screen cap to prove it, I'm just a new friend

>>173954967
webGL site for checking out ships, overlaying them with textures and general graphics shits

>>173955043
>>173954967
Used to be pretty good and you can make decent wallpapers out of them but one day it went into some sort of "beta mode" with most of the features removed
Official site talks about adding those features in the future but it's been years

>>173955043
>>173955106
Cheer mates, I did google it, I think I found the right site with retrospect but it just looked like an empty shell, sounds funny, shame its not working now

>>173954896
Too late comrade, all i have is like 10 blueprints of nanite paste, ammunition RAM and one vexor BP. I guess i wanted to make an ishtar at some point? Hehe, i guess i need to get some BPs for myself...and resources...

>>173955214
and a gf

>tfw no gf

>>173901645
So I've started my autistic corp People of the Fringe (PEOTF)
And I have two friends who will join.
This is on a free-to-play account.

What the shit do I do? And how do I build a station and drug facility?

>cap transfers, scrams, points, any sort of boosts, most ewar
>literally space magic where one ship shoots colored bits of magic at other ships
I mean it's basically the only way of showing these but still that doesn't mean it's not ugly as fuck

>>173955489
Just cloaky camp all day, it's going to get nerfed soon so will be the last chance to oppress nullbears.

>>173956057
>it's going to get nerfed soon
sauce on that?

>>173956108
Someone from CCP posted it last thread, it makes sense because it causes people to awoxx each other.

>>173951220
Care to elaborate on that one?
>>173956108
He's talking out his ass.

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>Someone from CCP posted it last thread

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>still thinking cloaky camping is balanced when there is no counter-play to it

>still thinking afk docking is balanced when there is no counter-play to it

>thinking docking=cloaking

>>173956691
>thinking it needs counterplay
Anything that messes with it is going to fuck explorers and WH.

>>173956890
No, there just need to be some module which drops all cloaks in system for 2 hours, this would have literally no impact on people who are not exploiting cloak mechanics.

>>173956738
You can POS bash someone who is docked.

>>173957027
>No, there just need to be some module which drops all cloaks in system for 2 hours
Literally free killmails for explorer hunters.

so if ccp were to make it harder to fuck with you by afk cloaking, what would you propose to make it easier to fuck with you by conventional means?

>>173957180
Explorers can just jump through a wormhole though?

>>173957180
Just make it an expensive sov structure then jesus
>literally "think of the children"

>>173957231
Only if it's the system they entered in. Otherwise they have to scan one down first and they will be killed in that time.

>>173957027
>You can POS bash someone who is docked.
and you can keep a pvp group against a cloak camper

oh wait, it doesn't count because it's too much investment? Then that also applies to pos bashing

>>173957341
That's also assuming there is one in the system in the first place.

>>173957218
go there and kill them. It happens all the time

>>173957218
Nothing, null ratting needs a buff as it is.

>>173957341
>he doesn't make 3 bookmarks and a deep safe everytime he hits a new system

>>173957027
>bash the POS
>24h+ timer per layer

>>173957426
No, it doesn't
You can't catch a good cloak camper because he strikes once every 12 hours and does it before you can react
A station is always there
You're literally retarded if you can't see the glaring difference

who is the pos bash autist

>>173957449
>>173957481
you might if you choose to, but if you don't think you can win you just dock up without losing anything. it's not well thought out

>null ratting needs a buff as it is

I don't think I have enough dog pictures for this comment

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>>173957494
>You can't catch a good cloak camper
and it's me who is retarded

>>173957487
>one is a giant station in space that serves as a home for hundreds of capsuleers
>one is a faggot sitting in space
>nah, they should totally be the same

Aren't POS's being removed? Now with citadels it'd take up to a week and if it's a freeport it will probably get you bitched at by the owners.

>>173957561
Nigga they don't dock because they don't watch intel and are slow as fuck. I live in delve. People are dying to fucking assault frigs. You can literally waltz in, kill a vni and moonwalk out.

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>>173957565
Enlighten me on how you would catch a cloaky tengu if you're so good, anon. With 6 people on full alert for 23 hours straight just autistically waiting for someone to scream for help in chat/comms and then hope it's not already dead by the time you land?

>>173957629
>the game mechanics are fucking shit, but here are some really lazy sleepy people you can kill because they're afk, so it's alright

no, not good enough. if you concede and just run away, you should stand to lose something

>>173957652
By fitting your VNI with bulkheads and scrams anon :^) just warp back to station every site :^)))

>>173957481
>he doesn't make 3 bookmarks and a deep safe everytime he hits a new system
Doing that takes time when you first get to a system and when the autismos that live there have hit you with a no cloaks for 2 hours alert and bubblefucked their gates it's a bit of a tall order just for some relic cans.

>>173957276
But muh 6 man null operation that's being camped by PL can't afford that! What about the little guy?

>>173957767
I mean, if you're that small and someone big enough wants to camp you, fine power to them
But when even the biggest alliance in the game wants to stop a tengu from fucking with a ratters and can't do it, something's probably fucky

>>173957652
>With 6 people on full alert for 23 hours straight just autistically waiting for someone to scream for help in chat/comms and then hope it's not already dead by the time you land?
As I said in my original post, you find that overboard to count as a counterplay, but you don't find it overboard to expect people to bring a pos bashing fleet as a counterplay to a ratter docking.

>>173957667
>no, not good enough
>hurr durr omg you have to die
Fuck off faggot. I see retards in system, I warp away, I won. You can ez avoid any ratting ship losses by not being fucking retarded no matter how many autists are camping you.

>>173957850
The big alliances don't really care though because they themselves do it and then sit around and laugh/fine the retards that get caught in Horde and Karmafleet.

>>173957890
>you find that overboard to count as a counterplay, but you don't find it overboard to expect people to bring a pos bashing fleet as a counterplay to a ratter docking.
Yes. One is hunting down 1 person, another is literally 20 billion in damages, a symbol of power for a corp and the home for hundreds of people
If you can't see the difference
then gee whiz boy

I'm going to make an Amarr alpha guys, what should I do to ease the pain of LOLNOCAP!?

>an entire fleet for a man = citadel bashing to prevent ratters docking
What the fuck kind of post is this shit I just came back from a long break and this is the first fucking thing I see

>citadels
>can do everything
>and be better than stations at it
So why do stations exist again? Why not just NPC citadels?

>what are legacy items

>>173957915
>you have to die

I'm not one of these retards who thinks we need to somehow make it impossible for you to run away. I'm saying you should lose something, not necessarily a ship. fuck off retard

>>173957986
Improved mindflood drugs

>>173958119
Stations are being replaced with citadels.

>I'm saying you should lose something
lol

>>173958236
All of them? Even Jita 4-4?

>>173958280
Nullsec outposts

>>173958314
aw, fuck
Sort of hoped for a moment they would make Jita 4-4 a keepstar or maybe even a new keepstar-sized caldari-themed station model with multiple undocks just like a citadel
But then again that would take ages of work and doesn't serve much of a point beside fucking with those people camping the undocks

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I am still firmly of the opinion that cloaks need a strong nerf, and one-man POS bashing needs a strong buff.
This would be more conducive to non-afk gameplay, where one pilot could make a big difference, but he has to be at the keyboard and decent at the game to do so, unlike simply exploiting the current cloaky camping system.

It would mean ratters have to defend their dock every once in a while, so that the tengu doesn't sneak in and blow up their fortizar, but it also means that the neut in system is actually playing eve, not just exploiting an outdated mechanic to entice someone into doxxing him.

This could fix null and wh at the same time.

>>173958280
Allegedly that's the idea they want but doing it for highsec will take ages to make happen.
>>173958405
Speaking of 4-4
>hang with some high sec wardec dudes because a couple are irl friends
>hear one of them get told off for camping 4-4 undock
>apparently it's a nono for highsec fags although all other stations, even those in system are ok to do
I felt so much disappointment. Rando solo players are doing more than these shits.

>>173958580
structure grinds are fucking gay though. having things to do in eve other than faggy structure grinds would be good. leave that to the blobs, it's boring as fuck

>>173958638
No that's the thing, like imagine if a tengu could bash in under a minute, so all the ratters had to rush back to defend?
It would provide actual content, unlike cloaky camping.

>>173958707
I'd rather have fun deployables to destroy/steal if everyone docks up, or some way to temporarily fuck with their sov upgrades. also non-broken ESS everywhere

>>173958707
Then I would cruise through entire regions in my proteus and RF literally every structure. It would be impossible to actually live in nullsec.

It takes a minute just to warp to the structure, nevermind reshipping into something that can actually PVP.

>>173958707
wtf are you smoking

>>173958119
There are benefits to stations that citadels don't provide, but I'm not going to tell you what they are if you don't know already.

>>173959096
TELL MEEEEE

Amarr

Amarr LP shop is

>>173961248
a place where you can exchange LP for stuff

>Unable to locate the charge you are trying to move
JUST LET ME UNFIT MY GUN YOU FUCKS

>>173961423
That sounds pretty good actually.

free lp

Tfw have to stick to ammars and chinese because i fucked up too much rep with frog eaters and dinnus
Not sure if i should be sad because i like colour green and gallente or happy because im not allied with space niggers.

>>173961759
Just join player corporation not NPC

>>173961759
Just run SOE epic arc a few times.

>>173961913
i have -2.34 and that's after i ran arc recently.

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What did xhe mean by this?

>>173961759
>>173961913
can't you just buy tags and turn them in for standing increase?

>Goons

kys

your fit is ok though except the rah and nano, dronebay needs some work

If my eve account wasn't made through steam can I still buy Aurum on the steam store and apply it to my account?

>>173962243
you can't. AUR isn't cheaper on steam anyway

>>173962145
Nano is good. I go 2,5k hot. I don't want to bloat my drone bay with heavies. I'm fighting small shit.

>>173962041
I don't know how it's done, probably some one-time bullshit that gives barelly any standing.

>>173962932
>>173962041
>>173962012
Yeah, it's a one time per character COSMOS mission thing.
The only way to keep all faction standings high is repeating the SOE arc every 3 months and grinding all 4 lvl4 epic arcs.

-2.34 isn't that bad though. If that's before diplomacy it's nothing. You can pay someone to share standings with you if you want access to a specific agent.

>>173962027
>making your machariel ugly
shigs digs

>>173962424
That's gay. I was going to convert all my dota hats and shit to wallet money

>never seen the ASCEE poster's character

>notice an ASCEE in /v/bros
>types like a faggot
>faggot bio
>only playing 2 years
>worst mach skin

>still smug

It fucking all adds up, every time, how do Goons foster such a cohesive plebbian class in their alliance?

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>>173963634
u mad im having fun

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>amarr
fly in style, fly minmatar.

>>173963634
Also the best mach skin

And the most mediochre mach skin

>>173963556
make a steam alpha EVE account, buy plex, redeem plex, contract them to your main

>implying tempest isn't the most universal BS
>mfw two heavy neuts

>>173963751
I wasn't aware rust and duct tape was in this season.

>>173962424
And you can't use aur store on steam anyways.

At least i can't.

>>173963448
No i was just thinken about running l4 missions, maybe even l5 in the end.

>>173963936
>level 5
you need carriers for that

>>173963819
Genius. Thanks lol

>Haven't played eve since Incursion
>Decide to try again
>Everything is different now
>Forget I'm in nulsec and get blown up the second I exit the station
>Alt+f4

Kinda want to start playing again. has anything cool been added since incursion?

Whew, lucked out and scored a free Gnosis.
I was told to go pirate hunting so reckon i need to outfit this ship. It's got a ton of turrets!

>gnosis

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>>173964162
>was about to extract SP to keep my 7 accounts subbed
>run steam inventory helper
>265.95 euro worth of Dota2 items

>>173965346
$9 worth of tf2 crates. Yeah i don't feel like taking the time to sell all those. They're just going to sit there forever.

>CCP tries to explain EVE with physics
Why do they even try

>>173965563
you can bulk sell all that crap with steam inventory helper

>>173964895
what do you mean pirate hunting?

'Artemes Reynolds' - You are a sad cunt. Just letting you know.

>>173966589
Guy said something about it being good for "ratting" pirate hunting going from asteroid belt to the next killing pirates and salvaging.

>shields repel each other like magnets
I want to be able to ram other ships when I'm in hull now CCP

>>173967494
oh yea ratting

I suppose the gnosis is good for ratting, depends on how you wanna run it.

What security systems do you wanna rat through and what ever?

>>173967730
CCP doesn't want to do it because when you start doing things like dread bombs it causes a massive strain on the servers which is why CCP removed AoE damage torpedos

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>>173907031

>>173968005
another reason is because they were stupid

>>173967856
You're asking something i know know of. I still have to look up what these different spaces are, nullsec and what not.
I found a fitting guide on uniwiki for the Gnosis i'll probably copy. I'm in the Amarr zone Domain-Deepari is where i'm centralized.
I'll have to look up a guide on ratting as well.. Just finishing off the Business agent missions at the moment.

>>173968090
Well no, they addressed this at the game design round table. When one person asked about returning AoE missiles like on citadels Fozzie said they weren't going to bring AoE torpedos or damage based bumping because its ok that one thing on field have AoE stuff like the Citadel but when you have AoE torpedos and everyone can use them it can cause massive strain even at the lower numbers of say 50 torpedo bombers spread out on grid

>>173968204
the strain would go away very quickly though because everything would die

>>173968183
I would suggest starting with level 3 missions with a gnosis because those missions will give you more money than you will find in asteroid belts

>>173968262
Not really, its the fact the torpedos explode and the server has to calculate all the damage for anything in that AoE. Even if the AoE only hits one target that still causes an AoE that has to be calculated. So if you're bashing with AoE torpedos against a structure thats real bad news because thats a lot of strain

>>173968294
briefly explain what lvl 3 missions are if you don't mind.
Only missions i know of are from agents and i've done all the ones for Military.

would lag in big fights improve if ccp made abandoned drones expire really fast or something?

>>173969379
Basically the level 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 missions are done exactly how you've seen them before

an agent, in this case a Security Agent, gives you a mission. You go to the system its in, kill the baddies, complete the objective and turn the mission in for money and loyalty points.

Since you seem new, you might have to start with level 1 missions until you get the standings for level 2, then 3 then 4 and so on

>>173969419
they might but I think most tidi lag comes from lots of ships, players all shooting doing tons of stuff. All that shit has to be calculated and done

>>173969801
perhaps. loading those grids is fucking cancer though when every ship that has been there and died has produced 6 items

>>173969702
Right on, thanks. I'll look into that, seems better than aimlessly wandering. Loyalty points are a plus i imagine.

Yes i'm on like day 2 so a 49mil ISK ship is like a blessing.

>>173951108
>eve
>fun

this has never been true

>>173969702
>and so on
Except after 4 the "so on" becomes "hold the fuck on" because it requires turboautism and training or friends to do l5 properly.

Capital Emergency Hull Energizer

>>173962027
>going from a solo player to a goon f1 faggot
so, you can always sink in deeper it seems

also thats not a medium projectile mach

stunt flores

>>173969897
Sounds less like lag and more like your client having a hard time handling all those drone brackets.

>>173975134
x if baka

capital emergency stunt flores

Why CCP don't want gambling in EVE? Player owned cassinos would be neat.

>>173978392
Bizarre real world laws lead to massive headaches for this sort of thing.


Captcha, a saxophone is clearly not a trumpet.

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>>173978508
That's pretty gay.

>>173969801
There has to be more than that. Eve has the same type of shitty fixed-target combat other mmos have. GW2 doesn't have to slow down time to a tenth and it can support hundred player battles. And it actually has AoE attacks unlike eve. But it does allow characters to occupy the same place, i.e. no bumping.

>>173980319
Hundred player battles are not thousand player battles.

On a reinforced node, eve can do ~800-1k at a push with no tidi

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>GW2

>>173980319
EVE did have AOE damage and 100+ player battles back in 2003. If you haven't played before TiDi you have no idea how great it is now. Back in the day fleet battles were terrible.

You've never experienced bad lag or desyncs.

>>173980427
Ah, I thought it happens at 200 players. Nevermind then.

>>173981026
There are 900+ in local with me at the moment, and zero tidi.

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>EVE before TiDi
>fleet warp
>crash
>log back in
>black screen
>try again 5 times
>finally load
>see pic related
>ship is in limbo
>can't even self destruct
>every fight was like this

>>173981375
>plus people spamming local and copying BMs to make it even worse
eve is better these days, but caps ruined it anyway

How about creating some sort of cloak disruptor that knocks cloakfags out of cloak and prevents reactivation for 15 minutes? Make it only fittable on a new class of t2 cruiser that can't fit cloak. Implement a system wide cool down to prevent spam.

>Make it only fittable on a new class of t2 cruiser

stop

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>STRATOP CTA CTA NEED MAX DUDES
>fly 20 jumps and take 3 bridges
>ok we're going to split up and run anoms while these rorqs mine

>>173985640
>Wanting a low barrier to this

>>173985869
>so just make a new class whose only purpose could be completely replaced by a deployable, even though we have plenty of useless ships already

>>173985869
>Wanting a high barrier when you can train a bomber alt in one month

stunt flores

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REMOVE ASTERO REEEEEEEE

>>173924032
Is brave even around anymore?
Haven't played in over a year, but last I checked their internal structure completely fell in on itself.

>>173986489
Brave's still around, but they've crammed their entire alliance into a 6-system pocket in Catch.

>>173986008
>Useless
It solves a unique problem. Never said you couldn't also fit combat modules on it. Think of it kind of like an Interdictor. Problem with it being deployable is the low barrier to entry.

>>173946573
Logi isn't fun.
I used to fly logi for a NPSI frig fleet, and the only fun part was everyone thanking you for playing logi. Other than that it felt even more tedious than playing F1 monkey.