/tosg/ - Tree of Savior General

Reminder that the re-balance is going to kill this game only further.

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This patch was supposed to save the game, not killing it for good

>PD2 and Pyro coming out of the woodwork to rail against patch
>Because a shitty undergeared hoplite lancer can't effectively solo the 290 solely by spamming spearthrow

>>173882738

It's going to save it. People are just pissed they're no longer walking gods. Classes actually have roles now, stat builds matter, you cannot just build maximum damage while being infinitely tanky and having tons of utility, you got to make sacrifices.

This just pisses people off.

Reminder to not fall for the retarded doomposter.

>>173882856
>PD2 and Pyro
I bet it's a doppel.

>>173882814
How is his attack so damn high
I thought Transcendence was supposed to be reduced

What happens when you have this high attack and use actual good skills (like archer has)

Is attack speed and crit attack all you get from Dex now?

what do you guys think will be the best builds to farm the 315 HG? obviously some sort of thaum2 or thaum3, will the cookie cutter pyro2link2thaum2sage still perform well? people still can't make their mind up on whether pyro is still good or not but thaum is definitely very good now and it will definitely really help pyro work, on that build I have 933 int right now so swell will be a huge bonus

>>173882993
Weapons and anvils got buffed.

>>173883012
You also get low evasion.

>>173882993

Weapon base damage was basically tripled.
Anvils are cheaper and give fairly big upgrades now.

Only transcending was nerfed. The idea is the difference between an untranscended and fully transcended weapon is less than it use to be but a fully transcended weapon is still as strong as it use to be.

>>173883035
You wont have 933 int after the patch
no more bonus points
no more rank bonus

Its probably going to be some linker2thaum2 variant

I think either wiz3 or pyro or elementalist2 even

>>173883274
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#21277aabb.152135.75.3a4a.1a3a5165.1a3a55

the future of farming has arrived

>>173883035
You need link2 and thaum2 (3), so you need some rank 2 and 3 classes that can kill swelled stuff.

Pyro is probably the best, but wiz3 has no problem with medium to low hp mobs and even cryo might work too now.

>>173883274
wiz>pyro>link2>thauma2>ele3

I'm worried that Wizards are going to be overly dominant in most content, Hail's got 800% modifier and will absolutely shred bosses apart since every shard can hit big enemies, they have linker thaum for farming materials, and of course they have the best AoE damage options for ET/Solmiki.

>>173883519
It's about time swordcucks got put in their place.

>>173882915

>classes actually have roles

You mean everyone is tied to clerics FOREVER now? Because they will still be able to solo all content in the world.

>stat builds matter

It already does but yeah, needed a overhaul. STR and INT particularly

>you cannot just build maximum damage while being
>splitting status now is a good thing
>int/con/str/+15 stage 7 cleric.jpg
>le 6660% magic attack rank 5 zaibasman.jpg

>you can't have infinite utility and infinite dps
>joint penalty lv 15
>new dex dagger wizard, enchant fire sacrament mahanas
>C, C, C. *nothing personnel, kiddo*

>>173882942
no one plays that shit class anymore

>>173883519
And whos going to control all these monsters and keep them in hail?
Thats right
its time for pelta3 tanks to make their debut

>>173883519
>>173883642
>Ele3 + Pelt3 + Fwee3 new meta
Eh, I like it.

>>173883642
No bad Swaaz sit down I'm taking the Cryo3 ice tree. Go do 2v2 or uphill or something if someone will take you.

>>173883596

Nah. Just take a look at what happened to a Clerics damage. It's been gutted.
Only Krivis, Druid, Monk and Taoist have any real damage anymore. Outside of this they basically have no real way to deal damage.

Basically if you want to deal damage, you have to pick a damage dealing class.

>>173883760
Tree has 11 seconds duration
Hail lasts way longer than that

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>>173883642
did you just invoke my SUPER AMAZING SPARTAN BUILD!?

ONLY DOPPELS CAN COME CLOSE TO THE AMAZING BUILD OF THE 300 BRAVE SPARTANS

NOW MODIFIED FOR GOOK PATCH

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#11333444c.15233255.16263a4f51617195.3f4f5a6174.1123334573

1500 DAMAGE? NOT UNDER MY 50% PHYSICAL DEFENSE GUARDIAN BUFF

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Best girl ever.

>those pissed oldfags
haha

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>>173884009
who?

>>173884009
so at least we know who is the biggest shitposter

>>173884115

I've been playing a Pyro since day 1 and I welcome these changes. Unlike all these metashitters who've only ever played what is best, I played Pyro when it was so shitty and weak it would take me 5 minutes to kill a single enemy.
I know that the difference between a weak class and a strong class is completely fucking retarded and I've been saying for ages changes like this need to happen.

I don't care if as a Pyro I'm going to lose over half of my damage. I got more playtime as a Pyro before Agni was added than after, so it's still going to be better than what I suffered through.

>>173883918

PD stuff is Frost Cloud tier. Awake Up.

There's also the LOL SPR + TICK build.

Do you know how much damage blessing got now? Even chaplain is viable. Not do I need to remind you that priest+pd multi-hit is a thing even today? Incineration+Agny+good weapon attack = decent damage, plus, incineration ticks+poison ticks with the new blessing that has a %. Lad, just accept it.

>>173884315
Pyro was never weak or shitty.

>>173882993
basically transcendence got heavily nerfed to being at best 200%, so even if he made that spear stage 10 it would only be 3x it's current values and despite that being impressive it won't save a shitty build with poor scaling

right now IMC has thrown random scaling numbers all across the board, making some R8 classes have absolutely shit scaling of mere 120% while some rank 4 classes have 2000%

the game is going to be retardedly imbalanced yet again where only clerics and linkers matter

>>173884315

>5 minutes to kill a single enemy

Even if it's hyperbole, You can't be this serious. Pyro outdps's elementalist on single target, on linkable shit and etc

>>173884540
you've never seen what happens to mobs under frost cloud when they are linked, they literally melt away in a second no matter the hp pool

>>173884315
this anon gets it. he loves pyro because it's his favorite class. however most of the anally devastated shitposters only rolled pyro for the ez-mode farming and have next to no fucking knowledge of the other wizard circles yet they act as if they do.

>>173884428

Yes it was. Go play the game before Agni was released.

>>173884540

It was close to it. I know because I could start a fight with Fire Pillar and use it twice more before the enemy was dead.
I pretty much had to be carried through all rank 8 content because with only Pyromancer skills to deal damage I couldn't kill shit.

>>173884684
Elementalist can't have linker in its build.-

>>173884540
take off your fucking agny necklace then and show us how easy it is with a normal level 270 staff or rod of your choice.

you have no fucking knowledge how hard it was as a pyro in the past you meme chasing retard.

>>173884687
>>173884792
Every magical class had trouble in r8, pyro was actually better than most.

>>173884779
you also don't need sage as an elementalist or enchanter so what is stopping you from picking linker in an ele build now exactly? oh wait you're one of those shitters who has played only 1 wizard spec with agny on.

>>173884524

>right now IMC has thrown random scaling numbers all across the board, making some R8 classes have absolutely shit scaling of mere 120% while some rank 4 classes have 2000%

Not true. It seems damage scaling is assigned based on the classes role and what tree it belongs too.

Wizards seem to have the highest DPS for example. So a Wizard class who has the DPS role like Elememe does insane fucking damage.
Meanwhile Swordsmen have low DPS, so even a DPS class like Dopple just doesn't compare to an Elememe.

There are some exceptions where I have no idea what the fuck IMC were doing (like Necro and Featherfoot). But in general it seems Wizard > Archer > Swordsman > Cleric for DPS and DPS (red classes) > Tank(blue classes) > Support(green classes) for damage.

>magicuxx squabbling

>>173884979
go look at fencer, lancer, doppel and murmillo % scaling at R8 late game skills. do the same with sage too. then compare those to earlier circle skills. they are near identical in % scaling values.

if the goal was to make earlier circles matter, then they have failed by making later circles matter less.

Are there any Sadhuman videos from kTest?

>>173884883

No, Pyros really didn't have it good. There were many quests I couldn't do simply because they involved killing enemies with 500k hp when I could only do 1 damage to them. That is what happens when your abilities basically have no base damage.

>>173884956
Linker has bad synergy with elementalist, since you have FC to deal with lots of mobs and if it can't kill them without links you might as well play pyro.
Links also offer 0 single target damage to elementalist since they dont' have balls to link, while warlock offers a lot for single target.

>oh wait you're one of those shitters who has played only 1 wizard spec with agny on.
>projecting this hard

>>173885193
Agni doesn't help against high mdef mobs.

Pyro was always a strong soloing class even before Agni.

>>173885245
>Linker has bad synergy with elementalist
Play the game.

>>173885193
Every magical class had that problem, most magic spells have very low base damage.

>>173885092
lancer and murmillo are pvp ranks
Their damage is good for that and they have the utility to go for it
Fencer has been screwed over I can agree
Doppel seems good, I want to see a doppel doing the 290 with cyclone he should be able to shred things apart and its good on bosses with the slash debuffs

>>173885339
Nigger if you FC can't kill mobs without relying on links then you're playing elementalist wrong and might as well play pyro, since they do much more damage with links.

>>173885465
Why do you need a direct synergy between Ele and Linker? Linker is really fucking good on its own and provides tons of party support and bonus damage overall.

>>173885465
Nigger if you FC can't kill mobs without relying on links
Who said this? Also, play the game.

>>173885465
Just posting this again
Best part is it is actually viable right now too
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#21227bbbe

>>173885092

Fencers abilities aren't bad though. They sit at around 600-800% damage with a few exceeding this. I mean, compared to a Wizard who is getting abilities that deal 2000+% damage this isn't good, but for a Swordsman class this is good damage.
It's clear Fencers will probably need a different build to work though. They got evasion and crit damage buffs so they're probably going to be one of the few dex based swordsman classes (leather armor increases crit rate now and so do the new rapiers).
The other classes you mentioned are the same. For a Swordsman they got good damage (except maybe Lancer, but lancer has some utility), but they still don't compare to Wizard DPS classes though.

Sage is clearly a support class that got marked wrong though. Unless at rank 9/10 they get more damage dealing abilities.

>>173885537
>>173885594
If 1 FC = dead mobs then you have nothing to link.

>>173885614
Yeah, that might become meta with quick cast killed.

>>173885614
Just get pyro1 and more links instead
What do you need pyro2 for?
Fireball still will do 16 hits and pillar has too long of a cooldown to be worth it

I really like these changes.

Having some multihits reduced to <100% and other garbage spells having >100% is great.

Having a couple of slots for new characters would be nice. Are there free TP event in ToS?

>>173885678
>he doesn't know the formulas are changing
>he doesn't know about electrocute + JP post changes
>he doesn't know about MM+JP
play the game

The Pyro argument.


People clearly played shitty builds or was just bad at the game.

First thing: We all here agree that fletcher 3 was the Top shit as killing HP sponges (also knows a bosses) in the old rnak 7 meta, right?


That's a super geared Fletcher doing Siauliai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sna5WO7swtE

He took 7:30 minutes to finish the job.

This one is a Pyro 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JcrI4y-lB0

8:48.

Pyromancer based build lagging barely one and a half minute against the strongest boss killer in the game.


>muh pyrolinker!

Dude, Linker was nerfed at cbt to do only 200% aoe damage (as in spread and double, nothing more). That's why linker wasn't that popular at rank 7. They were balanced.

Some time later (but before agny) link went back to ridiculous aoe damage based on the number of the target that was hit by the skill. If she was pyrolinker post JP buff, she could do it in 5 minutes

>>173885909
>electrocute + JP post changes
>post changes
It was always a thing you retard.

>>173885953
But now it's REALLY good.

>>173885092

Swordsman (C3) damage is around 400% on abilities when maxed.
Barbarian (C3) damage ranges from 400% to 600%.
Dopplesoldner (C3) damage ranges from 700% to 1200+% (depends on how much Cyclone hits).
Fencer (C3) damage ranged from 600% to 1500% (probably averages closer to 1000% though).

It's clear in general higher ranks do have better damage. Provided you compare a damage dealing class to a damage dealing class.

Funny thing is if Murmillo had 3 circles, it's damage would be 1100+% on all of it's abilities.

Isn't it great you have to invest into your class now to get the most out of it? No more 1 point skills.

woah bokors effigy gets to have 2x an almost 300% multiplier

>>173885662
>out of all those classes that one class has multi-hits so I'm going to accumulate all of them as if it was a single modifier
you're a fucking retard anon

>>173885929
Yeah, people are just being shitters and going "but I want to ONLY have Pyro and then take a bunch of utility shit and do competitive damage", which is pretty much the reason that this skill rework is necessary.

>>173885929
>Some time later (but before agny) link went back to ridiculous aoe damage based on the number of the target that was hit by the skill.
This.

Linker needs to be nerfed back to what it was otherwise it is a must for all wizards and that is no fucking fun in this game. It's the same as Wiz3 used to be, except that was rectified.

Linker ultimately means 1000% more damageon 10 targets at just 2x circles of the class. It's insanely overpowered.

>>173886315
>Linker needs to be nerfed
Fuck off

>>173886092
lets assume you have 5k matk
You use effigy lvl 15
288% = 14,400
Then comes the random effigy multiplier 2.58 ~ 3.56
if you hit that 3.5 multiplier with 14,400 matk = 50k+ damage per effigy

Reminder this is Fencer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VcaZwtFLE8
Note: He has all attributes MAXed too and is fighting a level appropriate boss that is weak against piercing.

Defend this "muh balance" mr. pyrlinkers and pd2 faggots.

>>173886392
And SPR resist is also going to be removed
I think Bokor3 will be the new cancer of cleric PVP

>>173885813
>Fireball still will do 16 hits
Really?
Pyro1Link2Ele3Sage then

>>173885245
Linked meteor. Your argument is invalid.

>>173885929

This barely means anything unless we can see build and gear.

Although I did notice Pyro had Pardoner buffs while Fletcher didn't. That makes a pretty big difference anon.

Fletcher also started a lot later and was AFKing for the first 40 or so seconds.
3 minutes of the mission is also AFKing at fountain.

That means it took the Fletcher 3:50 to kill 4 bosses and the Pyro 5:48 to do the same. While the Pyro had buffs and the Fletcher didn't.

This still isn't factoring in gear nor the increased Hp Fletcher mobs would have had due to bonus levels.

Linked agny meteor is very good for Solmiki, but people prefer to use Warlock + JP scrolls and the fucking chronolinker

>>173886617
>weak against piercing
I thought these armor type values were removed.

>>173886392
I want to believe that since effigy is 0cd it will benefit from dex skill speed.

>>173886617

>Circle 1 Fencer has 5 abilities
>Better just spam the low damage high SP cost one

Times have changed. You cannot play Fencer like that anymore.

Does anyone know where the reset npc is ?

>>173886617
Flanconnade is slash not pierce you retard.

>>173886935
Yeah, he didn't even have Sept skilled.
Still, he almost never critted, which makes Fence3 shit by default.

>>173886620

Fireball is 16 hits regardless of level now. It just gets more damage with level. It's pretty significant damage though, given it's applied to 16 hits.

>>173886617
lol circle1 fencer was always shit

>>173887063

I think IMC are trying to make Fencers into a Dex class.

Just look at it.
Two abilities that give a percentage bonus to evasion. Evasion is gained from Dex.
An ability that increases crit damage by a huge percentage. Again crit damage is only gained from Dex.
Leather Armor gives crit rate now. Rapiers are being given crit rate.

It's pretty clear what the intention is here. These videos just look like people who are ignoring what the class is good at. It'd be like me taking Str as a Pyro and complaining I do shit damage.

>>173886617

>no attaque coquille

this was the most offensive video I ever watched. He could have killed the boss in two minutes with attaque coquille and autoatks

>>173887063
Why are fencers acting like they have been singled out by crit changes? Every phys build went straight dex. It's true that Epee guard is a boost to crit attack, but dex gives a crazy amount of crit attack now and epee guard acts as a multiplier. It's pretty obvious the idea is to itemize for crit rate and then shoot for big hits on the single hit skills Fencers have, not to just go full str and spam the 0cd thing.

>>173887359
>Every phys build went straight dex
Nothing with Rogue in it did.

>>173887219
Epee doesn't increase crit damage as in highlander, it increases you crit multiplier.

Going Dex on Fencer is fucking useless since by spamming composee faster you'll just go out of mana faster.
STR and SPR seems way way better.

>>173887359
No crit = no damage.
That's how Fencer3 works.

>>173887538

Ironically the new Rogue build will be full Dex.

>>173886617
>fencer C1 damage
>no attaque coquille
>using slash-type skills and claiming the pierce-resistant boss is suddenly harder to kill

Is this the new breed of misinfo?

give me the best video describing tos renewal

Since you guys want to keep ignoring the facts, lets just post videos with your cooked up theories.

My theory one:
>You cannot solo 290, Saalus or even Missions anymore without Lolopanther/Solmiki tier plate gear.

Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5xDVVJVK0

Even with near 3000 physical defense thanks to the new balance you will suffer trying to do your daily grind even with orange weapons unless you're a Cleric or Linker who can melt monsters or stay invulnerable with totems that disable the AI of the monster+safetyzone+ausrine+PD2 Elememe tier damage and AoE.

My theory two:
>Anything-Linker will be viable. Doesn't have to be pyro. Linker is the single most overpowered circle in the entire game.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNdQMJ6BrhQ

Even with poor scaling Fireballs linker can still easily kill anything. This is thanks to links multiplying the hit count of whatever the monster is hit with and not to mention Joint Penalty that stuns monsters for easy and convenient leveling experience.

My theory three:
>Archers are still good thanks to Musketeers and Cannoneers gaining insane % damage buffs and Quarrel Shooter scaling well with DEX.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaw6w-f2AHY

Archers seem fine. No need for them to panic. IMC already gave them insanely good % scaling in the past and now they just became even better. Might want to roll one if you truly wish to feel like a madara now.

My theory four:
>Elementalist needs Wizard C3 because otherwise Chain Lightning, Meteor and Hail take too long to cast and are easily interrupted by monsters.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_iQ3eJVZH8

Hail scales well. Warlock is shit. Prominense is still a shitty random AoE with 1 minute cooldown. The nigger didn't show meteor. Chain lightning still weak as fuck. Frost cloud is shit tier damage still because even people with s.corona rods hit harder than the faggot in the video.

DON'T FUCKING REPLY TO ME YOU SHITTER UNLESS HAVE SOME PROOF

>>173887703

someone post that pajeet soap opera edit for this guy

>>173887617
Its just one autistic retard finding youtube ktest videos of the most braindead players and reposting them here to bait people into replying to him

>>173886849
Nope, armor weakness remains, armor damage reduction was removed.

>>173887772
>Electrocute
>weak
Did we watch the same video?

>>173887772
some sort of...youtube detective

>>173887573

Dex increases attack speed. You will have to use those normal attacks now.
You got an entire range of gear giving you crit rate and a buff to increase crit damage. Ignoring this is stupid.
You got 10 abilities that deal damage, and you think the way to play new Fencer is sit there spamming one of your weakest abilities none stop?

You got to learn the game is being changed anon. Things will not play the same. As a fencer you probably wont even level up those two weak ass 0 cooldown abilities anymore.
I'm not sure why you Fencers are struggling to understand this concept. Everything has changed, skills that use to be bad might be really good now, while skills that were good might be bad now, your build will be different.

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Can some wugushi help me with zhendu?

Once party members apply the poison to an enemy, will it scale off their patk or yours? Does zhendu poison applied by multiple party members stack with each other?

>>173888157
Hey look its conjecture guy again

>electroCUTE
this word is so retarded
>>173888245
wugushi is a lie

>>173882942
It's always a doppel.

>>173888330

Conjecture?

Literally every video we've seen of Fencers playing the old way isn't working. They do shit damage, run out of SP and it's just a weak build.

It's time Fencers realised the game has changed and this build is no longer effective.

New retard here. What's the best way to make loadsamoney in this game? linkerpyrothaum?

>>173888576
Yeah you're the guy who claims that clerics are non-DPS, hence the conjecture-guy name

I don't know where tf you got the assumption I'm a swordsman player

I just recognized your sardonic posting style

Sneak hit is only 40% at level 5 instead of 70%? Yay

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reminder that LINKER IS THE MAIN PROBLEM

no agny alchemist. truffle hp was nerfed to 60k so I doubled it to 120k

>>173888409
speaking of our favorite scapegoat class to blame, any videos of how shitty they will be? you know I love to laugh at swords

>>173888735

>C-Cleric is DPS if I stack all these party wide buffs everyone benefits from but better than me

Just because a Clerics support works on themselves, doesn't make them a DPS class. Their support works on everyone, and other people benefit from it significantly more than the Cleric.

>>173888871
*link-immune monster blocks ur path*
What now? You just uninstall?
Reroll?

>>173888908
Yeah you're the guy from the last thread who kept talking out their ass about all the class roles to the point of over-simplifying things

You post too much too man

>>173888908
Diev and PD are still very good dps even without priest buffs.

>>173886617
He's not even using lunge.

>>173889136
>I am going to attack your posting habits instead of your arguments
is this common in MMO generals? if you can't actually come up with a cohesive argument you just try to find out who is behind the post and shame them?

>>173889093
The point of that webum was to show that even a shitty alch build with one pyro spell and no agny can kill whole groups solely off link, link immune mobs just mean the Wizard is "only" doing normal damage instead of x5 or whatever.

>>173889314

Both got nerfed with this new change though.

Dievs own loses base damage and doesn't have amazing scaling.
And PD got shit on. They lost all base damage and got basically no scaling at all.

>>173889427
>waah waah waah
holy shit am I seeing actual cleric tears for once?

>>173889358
Yeah man the content of your posts aren't worth debating because they were thoroughly shat on in the previous threads

>goes full defensive mode after I recognize your posts

Wow you're like those SJWs /v/ talks about

>>173886880
They said magic doesn't benefit from it.

>>173889093

ALCHEMIST MISSILE LOL

>>173889419
And if your whole build relies on killing things through links then meeting link immune monsters you are useless
How are you going to kill link immune monsters with your shitty pyro1 build?

>>173889542
I wasn't even that poster you retard. How paranoid of a nigg are you? Post lobby.

>>173889531

What no? I'm making the point that outside of a few Cleric classes, they don't actually have great DPS anymore.

PD for example has Incinerate that was 1600 base damage + your magic attack. Now it's just your magic attack. That is it, it lost 1600 base damage and gained nothing.
This is clearly a nerf.

>>173889542
Clarification:

>the point of what works now might not work after the next patch

Yeah sounds like it

>everything else

Haha

>>173889654
>gets called out so pretend not to be affected

s m h

>lobby

get that negro shit off this general

>>173887359
>Why are fencers acting like they have been singled out by crit changes?
Because unlike most sword classes fencer is actually tailored to be used for critical damage.

Any madman here who plays Wiz 3 Runecaster?

>>173889839

So change your gear to stuff that gives crit rate. You know, like leather armor or the new rapiers.

Crit rate got changed and we don't know how it even works now. That weapon or armor that gives 30 crit rate might be huge now.

>>173888891
None that I've seen so far.

>>173889904
No, but after all the changes I might.

Does coursing work on bosses?

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Why aren't you playing Wugushi, anon?

>>173889839
But dex gives a fuckload of crit attack now which Epee doubles. People were saying that it was what, +10 more crit attack per 10? That's 3000 crit attack at 300 dex.

>>173890286

I want to know how is the damage of Rune of Destruction and Rune of Justice.

>>173889745
>>173889427
Fair point. PD is the first class I've looked at that has gotten an actual nerf.
To be fair, though, this nerf mostly means that you can't build full support and as long as you have PD2 do as much as a full dps.
My heart goes out to all the PD2s who won't be the elder god-beings they were before, and I hope that the Free Full Class and Rank Reset will go some small way towards mending the wrongs done to clerics.

>>173884979
>It seems damage scaling is assigned based on the classes role and what tree it belongs too.
>Rogue is a "red" dps class
>Rogue only gets Backstab as damage skill (Single target with positional requirement)
>Sneak hit is an unreliable buff to crit with positional requirement

Let me guess IMC calcualted rogue damage thinking sneak hit will carry it buy plugging int the complete crit chance thingking the players will bea ble to utilize sneak hit 100% of the time.

IMC should kys itself. I just want rogue to be good...
Let me guess IMC calculated the crit balance

>>173890286
Is runecaster better now?

Fletcher Mergen Boss dps is actually insane
Mergen I think has the best damaging skills of all r8 classes now

>>173890353
No one is going full dex at this point, fencer will probably need considerable spr.

>>173890403
>Sneak Hit
>unreliable
jej

>>173890403

Rogues get tons of crit rate bonuses though. A 60% up time buff, Backstab gets 50% bonus chance and they get one that is 25% more on abilities (Archer Swift Step attribute is a flat 150 crit rate now as well).
Backstab also does bonus damage from behind and has a low cooldown with 2 uses.

That combined with Dex giving a shit load of crit attack now means Backstab is probably going to hit like a fucking truck when it crits, which will be often.

>>173890524
Too bad their SP will last 5 seconds.

Ausrine stocks down, invest in Zemyna!

>>173890772
Maybe if you dont get SPR like a retard
Its obviously a needed stat now
Weapon damage should carry all your damage anyways

Actually I bet there will be linker3 full SPR now

>>173890643

You need to get it out of your head that the correct way to play Fencer after this update is spam Attaque Composee or Flanconnade.

>>173889745
>>173890367

retards.

spr priest pd 2 is FUCKING DOPE NOW.

"INC and poison has a low scalling" Nope, they have Frost cloud levels of scalling. Do you know that even the welfare hg 170 weapon now has 1k matk? that int is even better? Thar spr blessing now ticks for over 1500? that incineration+gas alone deals 20930239 ticks per second?

>>173890753
Rogue+Hackapell.

>>173890909
Even if the new play style means not spamming composee anymore, whatever new rotation fencers will probably be using will still eat up huge amounts of SP

I wouldn't be surprised if SPR becomes necessary on many builds other than fencer ones as well

>>173891082
SPR still doesn't seem to improve things much so far. I hope they actually make it useful.

>>173890403
>Single target with positional requirement
fucking misinfo agents at it again

>>173890917

>Incinerate: 102% damage per hit
>Black Death: 110% damage per hit

Yes, truly this is excellent scaling.

>>173891182
Do you actually play the game?
Do you know JUST HOW MANY HITS these skills do?

>>173891082

I didn't realise normal attacks used SP. You do know dex increases attack speed now, right? And it's pretty significant.

As a dex based class you'll probably rely on normal attacks a lot because you hit really fucking fast.

>>173891082
Pretty much all fencer skills cost more SP than composee or about the same.

>>173891182

Top lmao dude. Do you know that the current one is only 100%? Do you know that 170 weapons have more damage than the fuck vienarazis mace?

And that the fucking vienarazis mace already hits like a fucking truck? And that monster mdef is literally nothing now?

>>173891252

Incinerate: Hits every 0.4 seconds for 10 seconds, 25 hits total for 2550% damage.
Black Death: Hits every 0.5 seconds for 17.5 seconds total, 35 hits total for 3850% damage total.

To put that into perspective. Fireball is 190% damage x 16 hits, or 3040% damage total.

>>173891374
But do more damage.

Basically IMC went full retard. Low rank classes are now generally better than the high rank ones because they have decent scaling AND lower SP costs.

They just increased SP costs without considering that high rank skills already have higher sp costs.

>>173891332
I'm not entirely convinced the fencer will turn into the auto attack class

>>173891546
low rank for sustained DPS and high rank for burst? I like it.

>>173891546

Not true. Lower level abilities in general do less damage (but do cost less SP).

I mean if you compare the ability of say a Krivis (DPS class) to PD (support class) then yeah, Krivis does more damage. But a DPS class should do more damage than a support class.

But in general higher rank classes do deal more damage than lower ranked classes.

>>173891514
So whats your problem?
Your skills do comparable damage to a c3 pure dps class

Not only that you also disregarded the fact that Incinerate can have a much longer duration depending on the debuffs and also disregarded the fact that incinerate does more damage on targets affected by your own black death steam

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Level 1 fireball:
100%*16 damage
2 OH
15s cooldown
33 SP.

Level 15 flesh cannon:
100%*16 damage
Limited AoE ratio
Short interruptible cast time
No OH
20s cooldown
322 SP
Uses 15 corpse

>>173890524
Just like our current game?

>>173891686
>>173891812

>>173891812
>short casttime

no no its even worse
the cast time without quickcast is massive
Necros are in the fucking dumpster

>>173891735

Lets ignore the fact that Fireball has both a shorter cooldown and can be stacked I think is it 3 times while as far as I am aware Incinerate is a debuff so only applies once.

>>173891931

Necromancer isn't listed as a DPS class. They're a yellow class which is ??? (whatever the fuck doesn't fit into one of the other roles). DPS classes are red.

Besides Necromancers deserve it for being faggots for the past half a year.

>>173892071
But that is only a plus for PD
You can cast your poison and fire and then cast other DPS skills provided that you have any

hey guys what do you think o-
>MUH ARCHER IS SO GUD AFTER PAAAAATCH
>OMG MUH CLERIC ISNT GOING TO BE AN ELEMEME WITH HEALS
>HURR DURR PYRO STILL GUD I GUARANTEE IT HURR
>OMG I KNOW WHO YOU ARE POSTER
>it's not shitposting if I don't go fullcapslmfao
>hi guise check out my blogpost picture
>Kim can't do anything wrong
>woah did doppels do this post?
>woah did pd2 do this post?

Does anyone know the modifiers for Out of Body and Possession?

>>173892071
>Necromancer isn't listed as a DPS class.
So what? It's a shit skill with R2 tier damage and costs ten times as much as SP. There's no justifying this SP cost. If it's a matter of necro not bring dps, then don't give useless dps skills for a class that isn't supposed to dps.

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I'm so happy tosg is back to being alive.

>>173891182
You aren't supposed to be a damage dealer anyway. Also enhancement is better so deal with it like the rest of us.

Plus it does like 20x hits so it's clearly a 2000% skill.

>>173892493
>You aren't supposed to be a damage dealer anyway.
According to whom? (You)?

>>173892163

Same applies to Pyromancer. I can drop 2 fireballs, flame ground, fire wall and fire pillar then be free to use other abilities.

If we compared PD to something like Warlock you'd see there is such a huge difference in damage you cannot really call PD a DPS class.
Pole of Agony is 11786% damage. Mastema is 15500%, Dark Theurge is 3990% damage per orb the warlock has summoned (19950% total is it?).

This is what a real rank 7 DPS class looks like.

>>173892493
It also has to deal with mdef 20 times

>>173892487
i really like this popolion, can i save it?

>>173892576
This is a team based game, about time you learn to support real DPS classes.

>>173892576

IMC?

Plague Doctor has a green class icon which indicates their intended role is support.

>>173892342

except that they still are lmao

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>>173892617
no

>>173892589
So does all physical DPS dealers. I don't see them whining like autismos like you.

>>173892731
Then why are you crying like a bitch about your incineration and gas being so weak?

>>173892396

I'll admit, Necromancer looks shit. But they are clearly not listed as a DPS class so they don't have good DPS. They're probably suppose to rely on summons which are suppose to scale with SPR now.

>>173892731

Except they can't. Got to pick either support or damage dealer. Can't effectively be both anymore.

>>173892749
yes please.

>>173892785
>post one-off comment
>suddenly I'm whining
I was actually commenting on it because of the comparison of those skills to fireball. I'm pointing out that while FB does less hits, the scaling is stronger and therefore it'll likely do more overall damage dependent upon enemy MDEF.
Stop with the butt frustration and realize not everyone is the same guy.

>>173892487
It'd rather have it dead that full of shitposts

>>173892828

I'm not. I'm arguing that this renewal is tree of clerics 2.0.

Even if clerics deals overall less dps now (like everyone else). Soloing is much harder for the rest because of the mobs damage.

And guess who can heal

>>173892845
What if I told you that their summons are also shit?

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umm, tostards?
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62382837

>>173893027
>Soloin is much harder

Good, thats good
Games without challenge are fucking garbage
And healers have always been able to solo well due to being able to heal themselves
People will get to max level regardless

>b-b-b-but I want to solo 290 dungeon with my random meme build
No you'll have to specialize for this now, make a farming build or find a group to do it with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNdQMJ6BrhQ

full int pyrolinker sage DESTROYING STUFF.

WITH 4 UTILITY RANKS

>>173893252
Wow he's killing 60k hp monsters
Truly a god of dps

>>173893252
If you have to wait for JP cooldown to kill anything, how is this any better than Wiz3?

>>173893252
B-B-But pyro is shit now!

>>173892657
PD2 was never comparable to pure dps class like doppel or pyro anyway.

>>173893374
Compared to the shit videos we've seen so far, yes.

>>173893385

lower than elememes cooldown and still multiply damage to billions on multi targets. or solo targets + multi-fireballs

>>173893504
Those shit videos have been against the dungeon 290 monsters which are very strong compared to random field trashmobs that have been significantly nerfed

>>173893252
Also zero SP management problems.

>>173893158

Probably shouldn't have AFKed at bees so much then. IMC probably don't want to make summons strong specifically because of this.

>>173893537
So it's worse than elememe, got it.

>>173893714
They can go full int. Elememes need Spr.

>>173893020
Well, it could be dead WITH shitposts still.

It's a delicate balance.

>playerbase so small that people go on witch hunts on an anonymous imageboard to find out who are the posters
did discord do this?

>>173893919
Consider getting gear with SP instead

>but muh platemage
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/items?stats=MSP&order=statd&f=1

>>173891167
You numb nuts. Backstab has a small hit box and archers have 0 aoe ratio by default. It's like you never played a rogue. Oh that's right you fuking slut, you haven't.

You need 2 phadas to make backstab an "aoe" skill with 2 aoe attack ratio, Hitting count ehm TWO(2) small targets or ONE(Medium) one.
You piece of shit dopell.

Backstab hits so fucking weakly from the front that it's ofcourse a positional requirement based skill. Why am I even typing this to you,,, I'm just angry. I shouldn't be angry to spectrum retards.

>>173893714

what's your problem

elememe take some time to kill packs
linker deletes it
elememe take some time to kill a single big mob (boss)
linker create 4x fireball, link it to the boss (so now jp multily it as if you were killing a pack) and delete it

also, even elememe should go linker now

>>173894081
>I have never played rogue in my life - the post

>>173894150
>I have never played elememe in my life - the post

Basically the new patch introduces alot of specializations in terms of skills, builds, stat and item choices and everyone goes apeshit mad that you cant steamroll all content anymore?

>>173894024
>shitty poster gets called out

Ain't no witch hunt when its pretty obvious

>>173894081
>You piece of shit dopell.
I love this meme. Best scapegoat yet.

>>173894081

New Backstab is 631% damage x 2 hits from anywhere AND bonus damage from behind.
It still got 50% bonus crit rate and 60% more from Rogue buffs.

It's going to be pretty strong if you got a lot of dex. Hunter/Rogue will probably be a great PVP class.

>>173894416
Nope. It's just pretty much nerfs all around.

>>173894406

basically the patch kills 90% of the builds now you just stack the few good % ones and everyone expect cleric can't solo farm

so to farm stuff you need a cleric friend but he'll probably be busy being god soloing stuff alone for maximum profit

>>173894551
meant for >>173894406

I don't care about these retarded witch hunts.

>>173894406

Basically.
Stat builds will be a thing now.
So will equipment for different builds. You wont be able to just use the same gear for all characters anymore.
You'll also need to think about your build a bit more and decide what you want to do, wont be able to dip into 1 rank of a DPS class to deal good damage and so on.

>>173894662
Can't solo farm what?

>>173894679
BURN THIS ONE

>>173894730

Content designed for party play. Like dungeons and hunting grounds.

>>173894024
lol get a job nerds.

>>173894834
Oh man that's so sad that not everyone will be able to steamroll through group content with their single target dps or pvp builds...

>>173894706
This guy gets it.
Doesn't hype feel better than whining?

>>173894980

Except Clerics

>>173895129
>except that one specialized cleric build
Shocking and extremely demoralizing how advantaged clerics are...

>>173891546
>generally
Generally, yes. But they're throwing a lot of low level skills to be on par with higher ones. But higher rank skills still have exponentially higher SP costs even when they're about as useful as those low rank skills, and this is true of all class trees.

>>173895210

>one

>>173895786
Besides a PD build no other build in the cleric tree will be -efficiently- be able to solo through 290

>>173895217
Hopefully they'll tune down the sp costs. I don't mind skills costing more, because when built correctly (str/int) r1-r7 skills deal significantly more than before. Spammability isn't a good defacto way to design a game. I also don't mind normalizing damage across circles; ie, most swordie skills at full points do 550%, most dots tick for 150%, archers and wizards sit around 600-700%.
Remember also that r8 circles are sitting around 600% for five points, meaning that with the r9 update these skills will scale to 1000%+ at 10 points, meaning that r8 circles will still be viable to take c2 when r9 hits.

This update will make way more builds viable, full stop. Tree of clerics is now tree of savior and that makes it alive. Fuck yes IMC

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>hard core theorycrafting and shitposting based on a fresh patch on a test server

you nigga really need to kill you'r shelve's
or go back to the forums and stay there please

>>173896136
fuck off pd2 poster

>>173894220
Sure showed me huh with your green text. You autist. Anyways back on-topic

>>173894527
Got to take in consideration that that is only to a single target as well. We can compare it to another dps class with single target like fletcher.

Fletcher3 Magic Arrow has 244% x 25 hits for its magic arrow.
It can be cast every 5 seconds.

6100% every 5 seconds so
12200% in 10 seconds
Assuming we can at least get 40% crit rate from gear
That's
14640%


Rogue3 Backstab has 631% x 2 hits x 2 overheat every 10 seconds.

2524% every 10 secs
And since we can almost guarantee it to crit 100% of the time it's
3786% damage every 10 secs
Let's say we are generous and IGNORE that karacha set dagger has low base damage
We multiply this damage by 3
That's
11358% Damage.

Then you realize that Rogue literally has no other damage skills while fletcher has a ton of other skills to play with.

I rest my case for now. I'm just a bit sad of the development.

>>173896136
;_;

Why would you farm with anything that's not a Link2Thauma2
Without double drops there is no points to full run things

You're infinitely better off having a link2thauma2 in your arsenal for farming

>>173896301
>WHY ISN'T MY ROGUES BACKSTAB 245726% DAMAGE ON 10 SECOND COOLDOWN REEEEEE

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>>173896301
wew lad

400% + 5997
vs
600% + 4296 (6 hits)
Not to mention all elemental damage, concentrate, blessings and shit will apply to each hit individually.

But sure, I guess it doesn't even compare. Snipe's range must make up for the fact it's not a huge AoE attack.

>>173894527
wew lad x2

Serpentine:
700% + 6482 (7 hits)
Dragon Soar:
500% + 4170 (5 hits)
Both AoE, of course.

The only thing Musketeer has that clearly outmatches Dragoon is Covering Fire which is godly (and aesthetically magnificent). Headshot is a slightly better single target version of Gae Bulg.

Let's not even get started on Doppelgoon which is what I played on kTOS.

>>173895961
Sadhu can!

>>173896462
also great for double exp

>>173896462
If I don't want to be a pyro, what's the next best thing for link2tham2

>>173896638
I think ele is pretty good

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#21277aabb.15.1575.3a4a.1a3a5165.1a3a55

All these spells will decimate even swollen mobs when they're linked


Wiz3 may be an option but I'm not sure if it has enough killing power

>>173896510
Er... Momoji we're talking about the new changes.
The old backstab is even worse.

>>173896803
>don't want to be pyro
>pyro anyway
I guess there's no way around it, eh?

>>173896301
That's a shitton damage, not really sure what you're expecting. Rogue doesn't have other damage skills, but it gets tons of utility.

>>173896912
Well you can pick cryo or wiz2 instead but both suck so yeah thats just a filler circle

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#211177aaa.15..1f6a

This is an option I think if you have a good weapon

>>173896493
Maybe you can at least try to reply with a reasoned argument and not just green texting. I tried my best to explain that rogues only skill is backstab and it's still sub par when compared to other single target skills.

>>173896510
Where are you getting these numbers? They're doing away with base damages

>>173896985
Wouldn't linker3 be preferred to thaum3?

>>173896843
You're a retard anon.

Fletchers don't level up at all because they lose critical %. As soon as they have Fletcher C3 unlocked they max out the only skill that matters with the 5 skill points saved and then start farming and dumping money into the attributes.

Any level 280 fletcher is pathetic damage.

They don't have consistent damage just OP burst. Fletcher is a weak fucking class once they have used their skill they literally sit there and hit Barrage and AFK.

>>173896943
Dunno, just expected rogue to be a dps class since it's red I guess.
The utility it has is a bit too situational as well. Even in PvP they're not as impactful as cleric based utilities for example which currently does a shit ton of damage as well. I'm just glad cleric tree damage got gutted for the support types at least.

>>173897196
Nope, thauma3 gives you +30% matk with swell brain
Its a huge buff right now
I expect to see a change in the support meta just for thauma3 being similar to old quickcast

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>>173897258
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>>173897258
Please stop with the pastas. I just want to discuss. And this is not helping. It's keeping the thread alive but my rage and emotion cannot be contained and the thread will be better of if we can actually have a conversation about the new buffs and nerfs of IMC. Trying my best to leak it out since it's reaching a boiling point for IMC.

>>173897459
>>173896136

they'll change many numbers before it will hit official ktos

>>173897279

60% bonus crit rate is probably going to be a huge boost to any damage you deal.

>>173897258
Early rank skills are relevant in rotation now. Your other skills matter.

Holy shit whats up with this invasion of forum niggers getting baited by the pastas

Non-meta Master race. Stay mad uncreative meta whales

So, I have a A2/R1/SC3/RO1/Mergen
Since I have Rogue in my build I'm sure I'll be building high DEX, I wonder what this will do to the speed of Split Arrow.

>>173897635
>>173897190
Nobody likes you, Lolipantsu.
Fuck off, Lolipantsu.
Nobody cares. Go be a retard elsewhere, Lolipantsu. Fuck off.
Fuck off Lolipantsu.

That LoliPantsu guy salty as ■■■■ because he can't autowin PvP with hax gear instead is forced to actually use skill and strategy lmfao.
Stay ■■■■ kid.
>>173897720
newfriends nowadays..
thanks C*ts and C*l and other forumTOSGers

>>173897780
>Stay mad uncreative meta doppel whales
Fixed. I just love to put those words together.

>>173897598
The problem with that is you used uped 3 ranks to get 60% crit rate from the back. Let's be generous and say you are able to use sneak hit proerply 50% of the time.
If you played a rogue before even a slight misposition on a group of targets and you won't get sneak hit.
50% apply rate is already really good.

So that's 30% crit chance. For 3 ranks. Compared to Archer 2 which has 200 crit rate which is about 28% crit chance with no positional requirement.


That 30% crit chance is also just +15% increase in damage basically to all other skills give or take.
And you get backstab. Only those two. Capture got gutted so you can't full steal anymore your allies circles and with no base damage on skills anymore you won't be dealing any damage at all with the stolen things since rogues have no mag atk. It already never applied attributes from stolen team member skills anyways.

Sigh...

Compare that to fencer's double crit damage.
Or Dopell's +150% deeds (Correct me if I am wrong I haven't seen the new one yet)
Or Dragoon's +100% melee buff (Applies to all their skills as well)

All these with no positional requirements.

>>173898120
>he's never heard of werewolf cards

>>173898197
>Replacing glass moles with werewolf
>Rogues needing a card to even "catc-up" to the other dps classes
>Creating even more of a power gap between non-rogues and rogue by willingly removing glass moles for werememes

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>>173897878
L***u is fucking bad. Nobody cares about him. I'm just a humble video game player who is excited about not seeing Miko/pd/pyrolinkers everywhere.

>>173898120

Just take Hunter. Coursing gives you like... Infinite CC so you can just walk behind anyone and poke them up the butt.

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>>173898324
>glass moles
>adding more damage than crit rate for post-patch high dex build

>backstab is shit
>they make it good
>they make rogue evasion/crit rate skills actually relevant
>people still bitch
I don't get it.

Guys, how should I build a Chaplain? I have zero idea of where to start, aside from Cleric C2 - Priest C3 - Chaplain - X - Inquisitor

>>173898682
Corsair got buffed massively and people still complain. That's because the core issue hasn't been solved. They still have no good follow up at R8. You pick between an incompatible weapon requirement or an incompatible mounting requirement.
Not to mention they essentially disabled the one thing rogue was good for: stalking and camping people in open world guild wars.

>Skills don't have ridiculous base damage
>No more R8 mobs suddenly OHKO'ing you
Nice.

>>173899045
A good r8 follow-up is less important now that all skills scale into end game content

What was the class/skill that caused me to get stuck upon having my attacks blocked?

>>173899450
Memelander.

>>173899450
Maybe you just got animation locked?

>>173899550
No it was a debuff that made me stuck in place
>>173899525
Thank you sir

>>173899381
>hakka's 700%x6 2 overheat 20sec cooldown
>mergen's 560% per hit arrow rain
>implying

Greentext story time

>be me
>play this game during hellfire citadel 16 month drought
>get a summoner to level 200
>no templeshooter, I could never be in the zone at the right time
>last night, log into the game for the first time in a year
>know that it takes 4 hours to spawn, I'm the only one on the map where templeshooter spawns
>go afk, go to bed
>Wake up 7 hours later, templeshooter is up
>Take 1 hour to kill it alone because low dps summoner
>Got my card

Dead game. 8 solid hours no one goes to a leveling map that also has a world boss. Thanks for reading my blog, now I'm off to receive the blizz cock in legion.

Is warlock good now?

>>173899734
No its arguably worse than before

>>173898682
The problem with your post is you're thinking they made backstab good in the new patch. They didn't relative to all other skills from other classes that got changed as well from base damage to% based skills exclusively. Backstab also sufers from this more since karacha dagger has a really really small base damage compared to other weapons.

Also that hasn't touched the core problem of rogue having only 1 damage skill.

>>173897340
no one knows if this scales with weapon values yet, it might be shitty and scale with just base INT matk bonus. don't get IMC'd so quick guys.

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>>173899343
>like 25 Lv higher mobs do 1-2k instead of 10-60k

someone please share that BR hunting grounds drop chart

>>173899639
Eh everyone already has a templeshooter card. No one camps that place anymore.
You should have used megaphone shout to have other people come to your place for help. People will still come if they know there is a guaranteed boss at the location.

>>173899874
>karacha dagger
Who cares? Get other daggers?

>>173892487
>32 posters
>alive
LMAO

>>173899874
Is Vendetta still dogshit? What kind of scaling did it get?

How many 5F boxes was it again to get an item provided reroll and how much in fees? I always forget and too embarrassed to ask elsewhere. I know it's 40 earth shards which is the bitchiest one to get.

>>173900163
Okay, I just realized my mistake. Still, it's better now, and it's a lot cheaper to transcend subweapons.

>>173900312

It's damage still sucks and the Str bonus it gives is the same. But Str provides more damage now. 75 Str is 185 damage.

It's still not really that great.

>>173899883
http://imgur.com/a/0LFDS

>>173896943

>rogue
>utility

But the class icon is red. It should be strong!

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cutest hair

>>173899980
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fP4G1JjL2pj6wMfpL_3o9pFWYIKpr3QnYgQ-XTfK21k/pubhtml#

>>173900552
Mia, can you tell me how Sadhuman OOB damage is now?

>>173900554
But it's not, and they're not adding new skills.

>>173900554

Rogues "utility" is giving it's self more damage or evasion. It's not real utility.

>>173900552
nice, thanks. does it only increase matk, not phys at all?

>>173900709
Sorry, not making(playing) a cleric now.
Did you check the forum ktos thread (not all ppl there are retarded shitters) or that ktest discord?

>>173898120
>Or Dopell's +150% deeds (Correct me if I am wrong I haven't seen the new one yet)
Doppels new Deed's is a 33% more damage. Not physical increase. It's a huge nerf, but it also doesn't require stacking. I've yet to see a Doppel in action on kTest so it's hard to see how it goes with everything else.

>>173900684

ty family

>>173900335
14 cubes
About 4.8m reroll costs

>>173900963
I didn't. I actually wasn't even aware of the discord.
I will try the thread. Thanks for the quick response even if it wasn't what I was hoping for! Oh, and thanks for all the info in general!

>>173900881
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skills/20507
"INT and Magic Damage"
and my P.Att didnt change

>>173901036
That's for a single item isn't it? I just want to get the entire set now that defense is scattered on entire sets and Lolo seems to have god tier stats on kTest in terms of defenses.

>>173900995
13% more damage given and 9% more damage taken at level 5
33% more damage given and 19% more damage taken at level 15

Doppel isn't worth a one rank dip anymore, and deeds is really questionable outside of party content. Might encourage doppels to max other skills instead.

>>173899874
You don't need to make your entire build all about backstab.

>>173901152
Yes. Single 5F item.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HWygKXsVXtJPNTKAvwD6_dvuAXPScAcycwD80jF-ycA/edit#heading=h.hzta1hbzpykm

>>173900552

That's weird. Swell Brain is giving 144 damage in both cases.
Assuming the 47 bonus int is correct that is that would be 122 bonus magic attack.
That means it's giving a flat 22 magic attack, which is what it does right now.

Knowing IMC they probably changed the description but forgot to update the ability.

>>173901187
Pretty much makes Doppel fall way behind. It means Dragoons have to find another filler and I believe Corsair will be better for them. Cyclone however is a nice 300% scaling now instead of the flat 1.8k base. If I finally could see some performance in videos I might just scrap Doppel entirely and go for another spec and just sell my gear. If it was 150% physical still it would mean Doppel has viability but this rebalance makes them not worth the investment anymore. There are better classes now and most of them are in the archer tree for AoE. Even Sapper might be better than Cyclone.

>>173901541
Good.

>>173901187

To be fair, that 33% is probably 33% on top of your abilities, which as a Dopple all range from like 700% to 1200%+

33% of 700% damage is 231% of your attack. It's basically stronger for skills but weaker for physical attacks.

>>173901634
Why?

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>>173901469
or its just bugged.

Like.. both Swell Arm % attributes make the buff do absolutely nothing. But they work fine and add attack without it.
I LankReset to remove them on my main for now.

Fix when? Dumb MrKim

rush is the good cyclone, fags

>>173901745

Makes sense. This is IMC we're talking about.

>>173901225
Oh yeah. Find me a way for rogue to deal damage without placing skill points in the only damage skill rogue has.

>>173901848
Take circles of other classes to supplement your Rogue skills.

Does this game have any redeeming qualities or is it just completely shit?

>>173901848

Take Hunter. Send doggo out to bite people. Go behind them and shoot them up the butt.

You know... Stuff like this will actually work now.

>>173901187
Punish looks worth getting some points into, as well as both the rank 3 skills.
Not sure if I would even use Deeds after the update goes through, 15 points is too much of an investment for 33% more damage. It's like ROs Lord Knight Concentrate except you need 3x the investment for an extra 30% of the effect.
Now if they made it 33% crit rate for that duration it might be something else.

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>>173901767
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0RfiB9Tm5nw

>>173901949
It's totally shit, so you should just level the general right now!

>>173901848
Try not rolling Archer 1 Rogue 3?
You know there's 3 circles between archer and rogue and one after, right?

>>173902070
Swordsman guide FULL SPR

>>173901938
Ok which classes supplement it that rogue can catch up with other cross class combination?

Do go on. I'll wait.
Also this is what you are literally saying as an aanlogy
>Pick sadhu 3
>Hey why not take other ranks to supplement your shit class?

But this time on rogue.
That is a failure in design. The ranks itself should be decent and comparable to other similar ranks and supplementing it only amkes it stronger.

>>173901634
Still waiting.
I don't think it's good when classes are nerfed, especially viable ET classes for no good reason. I know how toxic some Doppels are but it's not all of us. I made a doppel because I love how it plays.

In other news: http://tos.nexon.com/testserver/notice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=39

>hp/sp potion performance increased
>skill factor, SP Consumption changes.
>monster stats have been lowered
>two new hp/sp potions added to npc
>hp/sp potions of alchemist are on a separate cooldown than shop potions

>>173902317
If Sadhu had buffs that apply to damage from other circles, you might have a point.
Unfortunately, however, I am unable to award you any points for this post.

>>173902317
We won't spoonfeed you. There's 8 ranks to pick from, 9 in the near future. It's not rocket science.

>>173902346
>In other news
not yet. its a patch preview thing

Can I be something not Warlock after Wiz3 Ele3
Can I take Kino
Or Necromancer

>>173902476
Ah you meant sneak hit?
Then read this post:
>>173898120


And you
>>173902502
Read this post:
>>173902317

>>173902128

Hunter into Rogue is obvious good choice for PVP.
Quarrel Shooter 3 into Rogue might work too. Got stone shoot to stun which lets you position yourself behind shit, and you got running shot, which with your probably high dex and insane crit rate is going to turn you into some kind of machine gun.

Hackapelle at rank 8 is an obvious choice.

>>173902506
Semantics or are you baiting me?

>>173902587
see >>173898197

>>173902541
>necromancer
You don't take necromancer anymore. Just pretend there is no class there when you see it. Just forget it exists.

Why do I keep sliding down in some places

>>173902737
No idea, it's happening to me as well.

>>173902737
IMC is secretly testing a new multi track drifting feature for TOS

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>>173902883

I need this.

Cryo 3
Sorc 3

What should I take for my 8th?

>>173902737
Motion prediction for uncontrollable movement. Get better internet or don't live in SA