/tosg/ - Tree of Savior General

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/Uoyaho/ when?

maces on suicide watch

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>>173722383
nope

>>173743260
>suicide watch
>transcending both patk and matk
>both get doubled by henge stone
kek

Are Vubbe gloves going to be meta now? 10 STR and 2 AAR is too strong.

>>173743939

vubbe is still meta

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/ktos-general-thread-v2-0/321901/5775
>>173742569
>>173742415
>>173742304
>>173742662

Str = +2 Max Attack/Sub ATK Per Point,
+4 Accuracy every 5 points
+1 every 2 points
+5 ATK every 10 Stat Points Invested

Int = +2 Max MATK Per Point
+7 MATK Every 10 Stat Points Invested

Con = +45/46 Max HP and +2 HP Recovery Per Point
+182 Max HP and +5 HP Recovery Every 10 Points Invested

Spr = +7 Max SP, + 2 SP Recovery Per Point
+29 Max SP and +5 SP Recovery Per 10 Points Invested

Dex = +4 Critical Attack Per Point
+1 Block Penetration, +1 Evasion every 2 Points
+4 Block Pen, +4 Critical Attack, +4 Evasion Every 5 Points
+14 Crit ATK Every 10 Points

The first week of TBL were we will be able to test a lot of builds will be SO fucking fun lol

>>173745979
Sweet. Now we need a working stat simulator.

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'Giant' mobs from HG are now everywhere and pretty common
more HP, DMG and use def break, freeze, stun, etc

>>173745979
So is dex as useless as everyone says? Isn't dex still good?

necromancer are worse than ever now it seems? you get even less bonus damage damage to minions and everything scales worse.

smd desu

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I am officially back into the game. I'm starting over as that lil swordsman in the middle.

How's everyone tonight?

melstis = double's buff duration now

top kek

>>173746549

I guess that's what people get for abusing the class and AFK farming for months on end.

But yeah, the class seems shit now.

>>173745979
Is Crit attack affected by skill damage multipliers or is it a flat bonus same as now? Similar question for blessing, they said in the dev blog aspersion and blessing were going to be multipliers. If Crit atack is flat it might be that crit is best for high hit count moves with low multipliers while Str favors single hits.

>>173747895
>End game content might actually require defensive clerics like Priests and Druids
>Maybe even tanks

What a time to be alive.

>>173745979
That reminds me of RO and I really like it.

>>173747895
증가하는 시간은 20초를 넘지 않습니다.

>>173747995
maybe cant afk farm anymore soon

Are these damn badges bugged again?

Is there still the +80% def boost from rank up or is that removed with the log system?

Did Kim forsaken wugus?

>>173749191
I hope so. Just to spite the wugu spammer.

>>173747895
So it's no longer a channeling skill?

>>173749238
that is not very nice

So I downloaded the Manager but there is no exe in it. Am I missing something here?

https://github.com/Excrulon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager

>>173749312
No, it's not.
You can now play krivis miko properly

>monk gets a broken spammable skill that costs basically nothing
>fencer gets shitty high SP spammable skill
How is this fair?

>Skill factor malleus maleficarum 180 at level 6

So Inquisitor as the mobile pvp shotgun is dead, right? I'm wondering if it's still going to be as popular.

>>173749985
Monk is the new meme.

HP rate
Swordsman: 1
Wizard: 0.65
Archer: 0.7
Clerics: 0.8
SP rate
Swordsman: 0.6
Wizard: 1
Archer: 0.7
Clerics: 0.8

Archers suck at both HP and SP. Clerics are better just because.

Thanks, IMC.

How much con should a Leather wearing Shinobi have, minimum?

>>173749924

>monk
>broken

kek

>sorc bats are 440% x 15
covering fire? lol

>>173750530
Cryo3Sorc3Sage new meta?

>>173750515
>850% 0s cooldown spammable splash skill costing 2 stamina
>not broken

I have a character whose goblin gets stuck halfway through loading and won't load... is this the stuck bug people are getting?

>>173751128

50% chance of costing only 1!

>>173751887

Yeh, the channel/map is probably dead

>>173752446

It's actually all of my characters and some channels say 19/100 3/100 etc.

Keep getting kicked out of a dungeon instance, fucking buggy update.

>>173752525
A lot of people are experiencing this. Also in instances.

>>173752826
It wasn't even the update that caused this.
It was their emergency maint that was supposed to fix another issue.

How does IMC fuck things up so bad

>>173747274
>boys and girls in the same lodge

No wonder everyone calls you a whore.

>>173752892

welp, guess I'm not doing my badge daily

>>173752996
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=929

I'm just gonna try doing dailies regardless and if it doesn't work we'll probably get instance reset vouchers later.

>>173753852

I can't even get into the game at all is the thing. On any of my characters. The goblin just stops and nothing ever happens.

>>173754240
Whoops, temp maintenance going on in 20 minutes now.

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=930

Orange showed up in silute, fixed klaipeda and said that we're going to get a maintenance soon.

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>buying the Swell Left Arm dmg% attribute makes the skill do nothing

thanks Kim

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>>173752953
That's not nice!!

@Dmn
gear Enhancement values are broken ktest neets

So is Kim really refunding all silver from attributes? That's going to cause some huge inflation. From just one of my characters I'll get back at least 70mil and that's only counting the couple of higher levelled attributes.

>>173757453
No, dev blog said it'll be refunded as attribute tokens that can then be used for other attributes.

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>>173757453
nah, you buy attributes with points now (you buy them 1=1k silver) and they give them back
>>173757601

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So using this token I'll get 3 cubes instead of 1? Great, especially when I hadn't any problems yesterday.

>>173758492

IT's just to speed up things. You do one instance that is worth two. Or three if you use both.

Good to combo with exp tomes or dungeon clears or simply to do a lazy full clear worth of three.

>>173758574
I forget, it affects Artilonium too, right?

>>173757601
>>173758048
Welp, this is a kick in the nuts then. What with them reducing attributes effectiveness. At least we can redistribute them, it's a lot more than I'd expect them to give.

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So what would Musketeers invest in after the stat rework?
Still pump everything into DEX?

>>173758723
STR since all your things scale with your attack even more than before

>>173758641
Yeah. Be aware it doesn't actually boost the chance to get arti, just IF you do you'll drop extra.

>>173758931
Man, what a time and effort saving risk.

>>173758723
STR, DEX and CON are all valid. How much depends on your build and purpose. There's no point in going "full x" anymore since you don't get bonus points from investing in the same stat, but rather by making them multiples of 10.

Is cleric 2 still 100% a necessity? I kinda wanna do Chaplain druid 2 inquisitor and stab things with a dagger as an insect for the defense boost and Carnivory with Malleus boosted damage but I'm not sure if everyone is more durable and pure protection with stoneskin+stereatroph is viable or not.

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In the end, the build I made because I want to have fun with this game instead of being an autist minmaxer will never be nerfed.

When skels got too weak, fire became op, next it'll be about hail, prominence, meteor. My only regret is that there's no way to fit in linker, but maybe they'll make scrolls cheaper or R9 will be shit. Maybe I should go hunt a hail gem too.

I also need to use my skill reset before it expires. Maybe I'll play around with electrocute and higher flesh hoop for now.

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>test down for patch

this does not look that bad after-all.. for free stuff

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instance multiplier works even for jolly roger steals (I'm at 2x)

did they fix the instance crashes?

From what I am hearing all the mobs on KTOS test currently have lowered hp values and players do less damage? Is that true? Usually these Kmmos just embrace number creeping, seems sorta strange.

>>173762457
some lower lvl have more HP, some higher have less

and looks like many classes do less dmg now

>>173762625
>>173762457
that is dumb

or temporary stats? not all high mobs are 'special' anymore. something with the mob stat modifiers

https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58710
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/npcs/58710
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/npcs/58566
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58710

>>173763002
oh this
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58566

instead of 2 times the same link

https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58601
https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/npcs/58601

hmm

Is this game good? My friend said that the game was not worth it, but he hasn't played since about a year ago. His reasoning was that there was nothing to do after a certain level, and most classes felt boring.

Also please tell me pet classes are fun and at least usable.

>>173762312
Seems like it.

>>173762312
Seems like it

>>173763215
Pet classes are usable in PvP only except Falconeer which is a support 0 damage class
At max level there are just dailies and dailies and more dailies, instanced too in the same instance
Other than dailies there is crafting mats which purpose is crafting a weapon to do your dailies 10-30 seconds faster and the only "raid dungeon" is limited to 5 man parties
There are also guild events but 99% of the guilds either don't get to unlock the rewarding ones or don't bother at all because they are doing their never ending timegated dailies

>>173763413
>>173763414

the fuck

>>173763215
Pet classes are pretty strong.

Cataphracts are great at surging thru and quickly skirting in and out of battle.

Falconers are top tier supports that can help your allies demolish a pack of mob quickly.

Hunters are extreme single target killers that can hold a single foe down and can make them hate life itself. (Only counter to this is actually "parrying the pet" by constantly killing ti every time it revives 10 sec later)

Necromancers are the premier quantity based summoning class of skelletons and flesh thingies that can farm while you snooze.

Sorcerers have the biggest summons with the biggest impact specially while using their riding skill. Basically summons bosses in "dark mist" form.

There are more details to be had here but I can't be arsed to list them all. Just research them.

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Oh wow, thanks.

>>173763215

Game is fun. End game is a bit lacking if you don't like pvp or BiS farming. Classes are fun as fuck, lots of options. A bit unbalanced, yes, but lots of shit ae viable.

>pet class

Mounting pets or using pets/summons?

Sorcerers are good. Necro is meh. Hunter is suffering but it's a niche 2vs2 S tier class. Falconer is great but the birb plays more a supportive role.

>mounting

Cataphracts (spear 'horseman') is very good. Schwarzer Reiter (mounted gunman) is also great.

>>173763425
>>173763502
>>173763529
Nice, thanks. Sounds like I would enjoy the Necro or Sorcerer. I will have to do some research while downloading the game.

>>173763516
>Typed with one(1) less zero.
I feel bad for the poster...

>>173763569
Do you think he really wanted 18 million for that pink cumrag?

>>173763215
The devs love pet classes, though they tend to be more for PVP.

Hunter is a PVP god, Falconer is one fo the best supports, and the two riding archers a pretty ridiculous.
Swordies have cata, which again, is a pvp god, and mediocre at everything else, but the devs just keep buffing them despite being top fucking tier at what they do.

Shepherd Never Ever, though.

>>173763413
>>173763414 (this is me)

What the hell...

>>173763565
> Sounds like I would enjoy the Necro
No you won't
Necro is probably the wost class in ths game and it's getting nerfed too because LOL
The only thing Necros are good is botting on alt accounts for farming silvers from low level monsters and they need to be online with almost a 24/7 uptime too for make good money this way
Sorc is shit too
It's better for you to avoid them

>>173763746
>The only thing Necros are good is botting on alt accounts for farming silvers from low level monsters and they need to be online with almost a 24/7 uptime too for make good money this way
they (maybe) cant even do that anymore.. soon

>>173763746
Hold your horses there champ. The devs seem to be moving necro from a 50%nuker+20%debuff+30% summon class into a 20%nuker+30%debuff+50% summon class.

The SPR change alone means that the summons increase their def and atk depending on your SPR stat. Imagine an almost full SPR necro with SPR stacking gear.

>>173763985
>>173763746
Look at how many things necros can summon that is affected by the SPR stat.

5 skel soldiers
5 skel archers
1 shoggoth
1 corpse tower

Is corsair good now?

>>173763465
>>173763719
I thought it doubled posted at first and tried deleting the other one too, but then it wasn't me. Spooky.

Stop memeing the new guy about changes.

New anon. Ignore every single person that mentons "future changes".

First: it will take at least 4 months to reach here and NOTHING is defined yet.
Second: when it reaches us everyone will be able to COMPLETE RESET the character and build it up again.

Regarding Necro... It's possible to build a very strong necro based on the current meta classes of the wizard tree (Pyro Linker into Necro) but the ~summon~ part of it is very disappointing. It's not like Diablo 2 necro WELCOME TO THE BONE FIELDS MOTHERFUCKER. They work but 80% of your damage will come from your other spells from earlier rank and Flesh Cannon (a necromancer nuke, good stuff).

Probably the one thing they did right this time is stat proportions.

You get less than 1 accuracy/evasion for each 1 point in STR/DEX, which reduces the accuracy/evasion gap and frees you from the "lol I either go full STR or my hit chance will be locked at 20% against full DEX".
You also get significantly more HP and SP recovery, so instead of something silly like 5k max SP and 300 SP recovery you'd get like 3k max SP and 800 SP recovery. This makes it worthwhile to invest in SPR for classes that depend on spamming skills. It also makes it so you don't fuck yourself over when investing SPR if you're a druid or a sorcerer.

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What's the new Meme Build now?

https://youtu.be/DhJP5wJPa0o

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https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=931

>>173764083
>>173763985
Whoo +300 atk and def. It better scale way more than 1 to 1 to bother. Corpse tower is still shit because it does 1 hit and no overheat while dievs can make like 3 owls that do multihits.

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>Adjusted Stats
>still no viable build for Melee Mage

>>173764668
That rank 2 has Chaplain btw.

Saw today an alchemist with a superior corona rod fused to a Sketis rod appearance

I thought its only possible to fuse same or higher appearance items

>>173765501
What's the rank 1's build

>>173764450
Eh, no-dex swordies can't hit shit even if their target has none.

I've had a guy wanting to test a change to a barb skill on me, and the fucker couldn't touch me even with 0 dex. All I had was the leather bonus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO3t-K_3rik

>>173765618
You place the items in a different order and it works

>>173765643
I dunno, I know the rank 2's build. C2-prie3-chap-kabba1-Inq.
Full con, with trans 5 lionhead shield+lvl7 blue gem for block.

>>173765263
Bull crap. There's already one right now before the big patch hits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAQo8kQDUXU

>>173765706

all the fencers just commited sudoku

>b-b-but dex gives attk speed!!!!11

lmao

>>173765263

?????????????

pyro 1 linker 3 thauma 2 enchanter is the fastest farmer in the game right now

>>173765706
Fencers on suicide watch

>>173765706
I want whatever IMC was smoking when they design this shit

>>173765706
>fencer without SPR
what a meme

>>173765706

he doesn't know how to play the class but yeah, this is some serious stuff. Epee gard is a shit tier dps buff assuming crit rate lower than 50%

>>173750262
Clerics are a melee class.

>>173765706

this is a video showing his gear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9oHGKoWnQ

+11 venier w/ 2x 6* yellows, small crystaras w/ 5* red and 5* yellow, vubbe guantlets, dual sissel, hg eaglestar top and bot.

with crit rate gone from dex and the insane sp consumption, fencer is ded.

anyone have that sweet drop google chart from the HGs?

>>173765706
"Sir, before we turn the entire fucking combat system upside down, I'd like to remind you that some of these classes were DESIGNED around the stats working this way."

"Nonsense! We'll just readjust their skills to compensate!"
>Proceeds to not do that

>>173750262
>The ability to attack while moving and from a distance doesn't excuse my stats not being like those who don't have that advantage

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Anyone here can help me translate this?
It's Vendetta from rogue.

What is it now?

>>173766703

it says rogues are cute

>>173766838
Welp that means it's still shit right?
Man why can't IMC do something right...

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>>173766838
>a thief
>cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9oHGKoWnQ


same fencer. now she shows her gear. complete dogshit old gem stuff.

if she had 4 lv 7 green gem and proper crit rate stuff she would spit billions of ultra fast 12k hits. 30k with a new rapier + trans

>>173766947
Leather will be the new meme now?

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This game is too spooky for me.

>>173767095
Most likely yeah.
Since stacking defense can only get you so far in reduction. More defense has greatly diminishing returns. Meaning at transcendence 10 of armors it's probably best to have leather.

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I finally have a use for this pic again!!

>>173767216
Guess I'll start trading some lolo plate for leathers now.

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>>173765618
If you meant me, it's just a normal Corona Rod, not Superior. And like >>173765723 said, if you put the material in first, you can use whatever same type item to skin an item, or just to use the skill without skinning.

>>173763569
He could've checked after he put it up.

>>173767774
Like yesterday I managed to buy a 1 star Nuaele card for 2 million.

>>173766703

It's 84% chance to kill 30 targets instantly.

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>>173768154
Why would you do that? Go on the internet. And lie.

>>173768138
Why do people suddenly think they're worth more than that?

>>173768267
Guilds camping Nauele, making the supply less. thank fuck, that one guy got his greed and excitement get the better of him and gave me a cheap one.

>>173768390
No, 99% of the Nuaele cards ever gone on market were legacy of when DP quest dropped it
Nuaele herself doesn't drop the card in the cube but on very low chance as direct drop alongside silvers on ground in a single copy too for a single party so if 30 persons fight Nuale only 1 guy has a very low chance to get the card
No one camps Nuaele

Do gold mobs need to be spawned like red ones or do they just appear over time? I sometimes see silver mobs and blue mobs just there but reds seem to require you to be actively killing a lot.

>Someone I blocked like a month ago is inexplicably UNblocked

The hell?
Is this an IMC fuckup, or is there some workaround faggots are exploiting

Rune of Ice still doesn't work with Hail/FC I assume

>>173770013
It's only 150% now anyway. Dead skill.

>>173770106
So what should I waste a r7/r8 on as a wiz3ele3? Warlock?

>They're nerfing ISU in order to give Cryos their Agny

I can dream, right?

>>173748835
retard

every cleric is going to ragequit this game when they can't walk around taking 1 damage and ealing 20,000 incineration ticks

>>173770159
war and ele still have that mastema - rune of justice synergy

>>173770721
war and runecaster I mean

How are the new anvil upgrade prices? Did they lower them?

Any of you sick kTOSers got any Sadhu skill info?

>>173758723
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>173770868

The way I see it, with the new stat changes my priority will probably be:
Enough CON to feel viable
Pump STR to an adequate level for accuracy that's also a multiple of 10.
Rest into DEX.

>>173767265

Is it good now?

>>173769498
Silver, blue, and gold shiny mobs are determined by chance when an enemy spawns, regardless of if anyone is around. But red shiny mobs are spawned only when someone has been killing a lot of enemies in a certain area.

>>173770974
HOLY FUCKING HELL YEAH
WE ENHANCING NOW

>>173765706
Heh, oh poor pencildick user. Step aside.

>>173766520
>STATS ARE REWORKED
>do NOT stack in one stat anymore!
>enhance your equipment!
>criticals come purely from gear!
>DO NOT PUT ALL INTO ONE STAT

>proceeds to put everything into one stat
>dies
>WTF KIM!?

The only thing wrong in this is the SP cost. At least you guys will know what it feels like playing TOS and taking damage now. Pretty much what playing with Deeds feels like.

>>173764083
you realize all of those scale with int currently and you can get 700+ int. so actually the new patch is directly nerfing them because you can't get 700 spr so the damage is less and spr fucking sucks. that's not even mentioning how the new spell scaling makes spr is even worse than it currently is.

necromancer is going to be the absolute worst class you can pick for rank 8

So do gloves and boots still have accuracy and evasion?

>>173770909
Someone show a fill dex sadhu auto attacking with their astral body

>>173766947
>dogshit old gem stuff.
That's actually pretty good gemming for temporary gear. You don't go level 7 or 8 gems into hunting ground junk anon.

>>173771304
On the other hand, they don't do -25% damage against certain types and only take 25% from certain types. If only they were changed from dark damage to poison so they could do extra damage against most things.

The shoggoth won't be bad actually for full spr. It'd be able to survive anything even if it would kill them slowly but at least it'd get extra damage.

>>173771304
You have no idea what you're talking about and embarrassing yourself right now
please educate yourself on the new patch before spewing shit out your mouth

>>173767759
I don't get it. You can use like a 3 star rod to skin a 9 star rod then? Just as long as you put the 3 star rod in first as the material? Then you get to roll for +-5%? Wish it didn't cost 88 TP to reset skills and 2m to learn that attribute just to test it.

>>173771304
>and you can get 700+ int
anon pls

>>173770013
>>173770106
With this change, it has to now.

>>173770974
>from 1.3m cost to 180k
Nice. This means getting gear to +9 and +10 is going to be easier. Armor too.

It also means whoever spent millions enhancing their gear to +10 and +15 won't get ANY silver back.

SUCKS TO BE YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>173771467
take a look at the attributes on that piece of shit. it doesn't matter if he can survive or not since it's complete crap to begin with. the damage is terrible, the attacks/animation are terrible, and movement speed is poor.

necromancers are absolute dumpster tier now. everything already scaled with int and even if you put all your points into int it's not good damage compared to other classes. now minions don't scale with int but spr and all the nukes got their high base damage removed. it's the worst of everything combined. they really took a shit in the mouth necromancers

>>173771479
since i'm clueless why don't you enlighten me instead of pretending you know anything? they already scale and still suck. them scaling with spr doesn't improve anything and makes their damage less. you're the person who is full of shit which is why you didn't answer anything and just told me to figure it out myself so you could seem smart.

>>173771774
just read through the last thread to learn what actually changed this patch

you're just a shitter who can't even read and tries to conjure some up some scenario without knowing a single thing
Its pathetic to watch honestly
I'm not going to spoonfeed you

>>173771521
yes and it's +- whatever your rank is, so if you just want to skin things it's better to leave it at 1 point.

>>173771670
ok.

>Take a look at the attributes
>Corruption
>A real % based damage increase now
>Chance to have more hp
What's wrong with its attributes?

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HAHAHAHAHA PYRO FAGGOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqzCHGIN528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqzCHGIN528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqzCHGIN528

HOPE YOU LIKE ELEMEME OR BEING A SUPPORT BITCH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GET THOSE FUCKING FIREBALLS OUT OF MY MELEE RANGE YOU USELESS FUCKING FAGGOT HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>173771837
you don't have anything to say but just want to interject bullshit. the fact you need to let me know you won't spoonfeed me makes it even worse. mongoloid.

>>173771849
the fact it's still the same shit minion is the problem. pathetic attack animation, shit damage, and poor ai. any skill can deal more damage than it so what the hell is point of it surviving? level 1 fireball will deal more damage to stuff

>>173772181
>he is melee
I'm so sorry
Archers will be kings of dps in the patch

>>173772181
>a full CON retard
>day 1 of rebalance

>sword is good
no, see
>>173765706

So it's shitposting hour by the doesn't-play-the-game crew, I see.

Meanwhile, I dced entering a dungeon but it didn't cost a run this time so at least they fixed that much.

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>>173772181

>getting forever stuck on loading screen when trying to go to Klaipeda
Uhmm, this is on Fedimian server. Anyone else have this?

>>173772427
Wait, really? I just expected them to fix the disconnect, not futureproof against future lost dungeon entries. Nice.

>>173765706
>come back into game purely because I have the desire to build a fencer class
>nerf it to become Sadhu 2.0

Wtf Kim

I don't even know what to reset into now.

>>173772181
Full CON meme is just dead. You can't put everything into an HP stat and expect to do damage anymore.

Get ready to be glass cannons and archer fodder in PvP, Wizards.

>Open cube
>Rapid bangle recipe
>Game freezes

>>173773436
It's on the test server, so values are definitely not final and people haven't reconfigured builds to work with the new damage rework that needs experimentation still.

Who just going 100 dex, str and con as sword after rebalance? Bonus points into spr.

>>173773960
200/100 STR/DEX

>>173773634
>CON Wiz in PvP is dead
>Featherfoot still exists

Sure, BC base damage got nerfed to hell and back, but it will still nuke people.

My problem is do I want to play in FF in PvP forever, now that we got 1 chance to switch mains?

>>173773960
Well I am going to focus on high STR and high CON with some spirit. No dex at all. I will gain my attack speed from Deed's anyway. Since I will have almost no evasion and Deed's will increase how much damage I get as a % it means I will be forever locked into good plate sets with the highest of defenses and high enhancement. if I can reduce incoming damage to mere 40's and 50's of damage, having full deeds means I'll be taking 150's of damage, which is fine and I will have full deed's on at all times. STR giving accurancy means I don't have to worry about missing targets, even in PvP and high CON increases my swords survivability. Deed's being a near 400% physical damage increase that scales well with STR and Frenzy adding more to it I'm sitting at an already good meta. So for my early experimentation I will go 200 STR, 100 CON and rest in SPR for some magic defense and SP as SP seems to become an issue. Since Doppel has no 0 cooldown spams, but will have skills that consume over 400 SP it means I will need a big SP pool.

To me this SP cost increase is on par with Ragnarok Online, but we have to remember in RO potions had 0 cooldown so you could just spam them. In TOS you cannot, so I don't like this change. I hope they change how SP pots work and make Uosis more easily farmable all across the game.

For skills I will go with the normal AoE focus of Deed's and Cyclone maxed. Then I will max Zornhau and make Punish high since it's % scaling is damn good and right now even with 0 base damage I use the skill to one shot 300k mobs in 290 dungeon that are leather no problem.

All theory of course. It's most likely going to suck on paper. 1 point into the 50% slash and rest of the points will go across the multi-hit abilities.

>>173773867
>mfw the final outcome will be worse than it is now when it comes to all our favorite classes

>>173774528
>R9 comes out immediately afterwards to overshadow and be completely op compared to all the nerfed content

>>173774659
>immediately

Hehehe

>>173747895
>lv 8 Aursine: 24s
>lv 7 Meltsis: x2.4

>~22s * 2.4 = 53.8s
>5.38s - 18s (-20% CD + Pass) = 34.8s
>34.8s * 2.4 = 83.5s
>83.5 - 48s (-20% CD) = 35s

Still possible to chain it for 100% uptime, but you need monster gems and perfect coordination.

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Damn kikes

>>173774374
Deeds doesn't have attack speed anymore.

>>173775473
Even so it doesn't matter. I don't rely on attack speed.

>>173775670
>>173774374
Try FULL DEX for EVASION, leather set with RED HP GEMS. Might work.

is shepherd playable yet?

>>173774886
>perfect coordination.
Yes I am ok with this.
IT being skill based needs to be done.

>>173775723
Evasion has to be 100% evasion for me to consider ever consider going full DEX after the rebalance. Especially considering how much monsters will always hurt.

>>173775246
Kek even sturmfaggots can't beat our Korean overlords.

>>173775815
Physical defense can't even realistically reach 80% with the new defense formula being log based.

80% evasion cap sounds better honestly if you can reach it. Specially since deeds will wreck your phys def. so get phys evasion. It makes the most sense for dopell.

>>173775815
Well, with the new system, 70% damage mitigation through dodging won't be so bad since damage taken is scaled better, unlike the current system where when dodge fails you get hit for large chunks of your health.

100% dodge would mean defense is pointless since nothing could ever touch you.

Is queue bugged? it cant take 10+ minutes when the queue has 16 people

>>173773960
Why dex?

>>173776302
there's already a video on this general with a fencer taking 40 damage from physical mobs in end game maps

>>173773436
Dragoon seems to be in a good shape now.

>>173776346
magic would

>>173776443
Too bad that doesn't save fencer from being shit.

>>173776382
There's not enough people close to your level in queue then. Every 5 minutes you've been in queue, it expands the level range of the party it tries to form for you though. Especially for instances that scale to your level such as Mercenary Post missions, the queue's a bit misleading because of this.

>>173776497
Would still mean pdef is pointless if 100% evasion could be reached. It's still dumb that magic can't be dodged anyways.

Queue siaulai 270's faggots

>>173775775
Nope, we won't ever get dogs.

>>173776619
100% evasion can't be reached now, I don't see why they would change that. It would be pretty broken anyway.

>>173774886
Didn't they say the duration of extended buffs can't go over 20 seconds?

>>173776852
Oh fuck they did.
Well, rip Krivis3.

Which build isn't on suicide watch actually?

>>173776961
Monk

>>173776961
Wugushi
Monk
Pyros but /tosg/ will told you it is
Elememe is comming back too

>>173774886
Still broken

>>173777089
> Wugushi
> Monk
Naisu! Love these classes.

>>173776932
Maybe you can wait for Ausrine to go down to 10 seconds before you use Melstis, I don't think it's gonna be totally useless but Krivis are gonna be expected to do something besides cast Revive and then fuck off to cast Melstis.

>>173776619
Dodging magic with basic evasion would be broken. But I think it would be fair to have a similar mechanic to evasion that affects magic. It would be great if SPR added magic evasion or something of the sort. SPR seems to be the SP parallel to CON now, but obviously CON is much superior as it directly affects survivability from all fronts, while SPR can still be replaced by SP pots to a good extent for a lot of classes. Not to mention high SP is a disadvantage with some %-consuming skills.

>>173777089
Wugushis are on suicide watch, poison scaling is dogshit now.

>>173777175
>magic evasion
You mean "Resist"

>>173776451
What would the stat allocation look like?

I've always considered making a sword 3 cata3goon

>>173777175
Has anyone ACTUALLY done the math on how SP affects SP consumption skills? Spr increases the regen you get from potions too and with the new changes stacking SP nets an absurd amount of SP regen.

I've never seen a Spr Sorc, this just seems like the kind of thing everyone assumed was true without really testing it.

>>173777267
What? Are there numbers behind this claim? I was considering making one soon

>>173777089
>>173777139
Wugushi doesn't seem to have % scaling at all on anything.

>>173777278
True.

>>173777359
Poisons seem to be 0.5 atk + flat number. So it would actually be worse than it currently is. I'm thinking sapper is the new wugushi, their sustained damage seems to be pretty decent now.

>>173777290
When you summon things as a Sorc, your regen stops, so it doesn't matter what it is.

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>>173777495
BUT WUGUFWEEEE!?

>>173777613
>>173777353
This is based on the ktest data from tos.neet.tv, but it could still be changed or be a misunderstanding. Either way, wugushi on itos right now is quite powerful, so it's worth making anyway. You can always reset later on.

So Wugu is going to staying a meme?
Archer2Sapper3Falcon____Mergen?
What at rank7?
Rogue?

>>173777495
>0.5 atk
That 0.5 is time per tic not attack scaling.

Is there a burn that works on your matk instead of int like Crosscut's bleed is based on your patk?

>>173777795
So will it be just some flat damage? Or atk+flat damage? I could be working like it is right now, but they seem to have decreased the flat damage slightly. If it's atk+flat damage it's probably still very good. It seems to work like the old skill formulae with SkillAtkAdd instead of skill factor.

>>173778038
>Or atk+flat damage?
Probably that.

>>173778528
Well, I'm fine with it then. You can stack a bunch of poisons, adding up it would be a pretty good multiplier per second.

>team storage isn't free anymore

I thought it was just one slot free before
they can't even give us that?

>>173778717
You can still transfer weapons and armor through pets, but that's it.

>crit comes from weapon upgrades
>can't find anything on the revamped weapon upgrade system to compensate them gutting fencer

KYM

>>173778879
The crit rate they added to the new rapiers, including the 315 orange one, doesn't exceed 50. So maybe that much crit rate is significant now, which would mean all green gems on Fencer gear might mean a lot?

>>173778879
Fencer is dead even with crits. Most of the single-target dps came from spamming composee, and that's no longer possible. I'm guessing it will fall behind a lot of classes for bossing now.

>>173779191
Before I could sustain composee12 with Meltsis and Kheista potions.
Now even that will be no longer possible.

>>173779191
We will have to see how a SPR/DEX build does.

>>173779393
Fencer is kill, just accept it.
Reroll into Dragoon or Doppel.

>>173779441
>accept bad rebalances

Fukk U

>>173779441
SPR/DEX could still work, you just have to get a nice crit rate. DEX now gives crit atk, so that could make up for STR to some extent. The real question is how much SP will be needed to sustain spamming.

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Did you make your futureproof Douppel yet anon?

>>173779535
If DEX increases attack speed, probably not even full SPR will be enough.

>>173779638
We have to test it to make sure. Also epee garde+dex could be deadly if you get a high crit rate.

>>173779779
Say you go for a 200 dex 100 spr build.
Each pt of dex = +4 catk, every 5 points = +4 catk, every 10 points = +14 catk. So in total you get 40+8+14= 62 catk for 10 dex. 200 dex makes it 1240. Epee garde makes it 2480 catk.

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>>173779979
If the playerbase complains loud enough, Dex-dependent classes might get skill adjustments to make up for the HAHAHA i am Kidding myself FUCKIng GOOKs NNIssggss

Kabbalist and Oracle just got a job now that SP management is important.

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>This skill is a 800 base damage skill.
>It will become a 400%+ to 1100%+ (level 1 to 15) scaling hit.
hey it's not all bad right guys? guys...?

Sorry for the another "coming back to ToS" question - did the leveling change? Or is it pretty much the same, saving exp cards to get past the harder milestones?
Thanks in advance!

>>173780494
EXP range was extended to +-20 levels, there's enough subquests added in that saving cards is unnecessary, dungeons were reordered to be in better ranges, alternative grinding spots were added.

>>173780494
Saving cards is mostly a thing of the past.

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What is everyone's favorite way to grind silver? I like to go to the small little maps in Verkti Square and kill the Rambears and Juko.

It's usually not populated so I can proc shinies consistently and the recipes sell for a lot (even more if you have talismans from the mages nearby since battleforks only need rambear bones and talismans).

Tag Bow recipe from the Juko's is also fairly easy but the bavon feathers need to be obtained on a different map so thats too annoying and out of your way unless you already have em in bulk.

>>173781342
Getting my skeletons to kill bees.

>>173780364
I dunno about arcane energy but with no more austis cheese counterspell will matter.

>>173781525
How much do you profit per afk? On average.

>>173781605
Not much lately since I'm being persecuted by oracles and IMC.

>>173780437

Yeah that's not bad. He killed all those things in basically 3 hits.

I mean it is only 24k damage, but they got a lot less health now. Previously they had 200k+ hp so even a Pyro took longer than that to kill them.

You got to consider that damage is only half of it. Until we see the stats enemies have we don't know whether that damage is good or bad.

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>>173781789
I mean, I won't lie and say I don't have my fair share of messing with afkers...

>>173781874
Punish does that 24k for every mob that is knocked down. Knock down 10 mobs and yeah it's 240k. No deed's were used in the video or moles and Deed's will scale better in the future. I hope more people learn how amazing Punish is vs Leather mobs.

>>173781789
Necros are the true injusticed pariahs in this game.

>>173781963
What were your attributes and such?

>>173782082
Remember the six billion necros murdered by IMC.

>>173782160
Only 40% on Punish. It's only 18 sec CD so it works nice with Bash. Both always ready for each other.

Have you guys looked at attribute costs in the kTest? If these are final, you will max most of your skills with very little money. If you put 40m into your skills, that 40m might just max all your damage skills and you'll have tons left over.

>>173782667
They're way too cheap now.

The old systems aren't the best but I worry the new systems are just going to make everything too easy.

>>173783512

The new system makes it easier to balance things. It'll be possible for IMC to add difficult content now since the balancing is more consistent and you wont end up with people doing either a billion damage or 1.

>>173783626
>unless your buildwas gutted

I wish they could reset equipment-type as well

>>173783758

Everything should be more consistent now. The only "gutted" builds are the ones which were stupidly broken and way above everything else.
Now the difference between weakest and strongest build isn't so huge.

>>173783852
That is objectively untrue for some classes. Instead of being 'just as good' they are literally trash heap material, pending further modifications to the '''''balance''''''.
>>173765706

>>173784003
Indeed, necros need improvement. They're already trash and are being turned into even worse trash. Featherfoot also seems to be worse with the SP cost changes.

>>173784003

That video is bullshit. The dude runs in and spams literally one skill. We do not get to see build, skill levels or gear involved.

Things have changed. I wont deny some classes are probably going to suck, but things work differently now and builds that would have previously been bad might actually be good now.

>>173784003
Uh, you did see the video when the fencer showed stats/equip, right?
The dude made NO changes even though stats got totally reworked. No shit you can't do the same stuff post patch... just like the full CON Pyro idiot.

>>173784317

>Didn't change his build even though the entire game changed

I bet he ran in with full dex and wondered why his percentage scaling skills were doing no damage. Judging by how quickly his SP vanished, he was also spamming the 0CD ability.

post butts

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>>173785804

So what about Druids? Still go full INT?

>>173784819
Of course he was spamming the 0s ability, it's how fencers deal damage.

>>173786273
Probably. They did say 0 cd skills benefit from attack speed too though, wonder if that applies to Werewolf scratch/monster skills.

>>173786397

Not anymore. It's a fairly low damage ability with a high cost. The games changed, if you refuse to change don't complain about it.

>>173786273

Chances are everyone is going to need some SPR and probably CON now. Druid abilities are hilariously expensive to cast now. Like 300 SP each.

>everyone in full panic mode because of update that will come to iToS in late december
Do your fucking builds for current meta and don't give a shit about changes for now because you'll probably quit until we will get them.

>>173786924
>Not anymore. It's a fairly low damage ability with a high cost. The games changed, if you refuse to change don't complain about it.
It's easy to say that and pretend they didn't just bork the whole fencer class for no reason.

>>173787248

Fencer has 10 abilities that deal damage and you want to sit there spamming one none stop?

I think the problem here is you fail to understand the game has changed. You have another 9 abilities you could be using plus more from other classes. You've actually got to use them now.

>>173787030

IMC said expect them summer time. So at minimum we got a 2 month wait. Probably more like 3 months which tends to be how long it takes for us to get big patches like this.

>>173787452
Did you actually check the skill factor of those abilities?

>monstrance increases attackspeed now

NANI?!

>>173787903
Priests saved!

>>173787626
>IMC said expect them summer time
Where did they said that and if even so they might release it at the end of summer for kToS.

>>173787750

Yes.

You're complaining you cannot spam an ability that does 337% damage x 2 hits (674% damage)
While you got an ability that does 4 hits at 241% damage (964%), one that does 190% x 8 hits (1520%) and various abilities that do 500% to 800% damage in a single hit and most of these have additional effects and are not just pure damage.

Anon, the game has changed. What use to be good and viable may no longer be good and viable after this patch. You need to realise this and change your build.
You cannot max dex and spam one ability to kill everything anymore. Stat and skill builds have finally become a real thing.

>>173787975

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=920

>These updates are going to be applied to our kTOS test server in April of 2017, and will likely arrive in iTOS in the early summer of 2017. We’ll make sure to announce any further details or modifications as they come up.

Literally on their website anon. You should probably check it every now and then.

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>Fencer is dead

H-How much can I sell this for?

>>173788305
>level 5 gems
kek

>>173788049
Stop pretending to be smart or knowing anything about Fencer.

Fencer is dead, literally.
Critrate is kill and without crits Fencers cant' do shit.
Without Composee spam Fencer has less dps than a fucking Chaplain.

>>173788305
Probably 1m now that fencers will reset. Sell it to me.

>>173788132
Somehow I still can't believe they will release it this soon even if they said so.

>>173788571

>I actually have to invest skill points into skills now to do damage

Anon this applies to everyone. You can no longer just dump 1 point in a skill and it'll be useful.

Is crit rate really kill?
No amount of resets will give me back the silver I spent on gems and ella cards.

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>>173788132
>pyros on suicide watch earlier than planned
FUCKING GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE

>>173788867
>pyros on suicide watch earlier than planned
Try again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNdQMJ6BrhQ

>>173788917
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>173788867

Pyros are still pretty good. Infact, in general Wizards now all deal good damage.

You see, the redesign made Wizards have low Hp but in exchange they have high damage dealing abilities.

I'd say in terms of DPS it is now Wizard > Archer > DPS cleric > Swordsman > Support cleric.
No longer can you have insane damage while offering tons of other things.

>>173788729
It's not, you'll just have to rely more on skills/equips that increase crit rate.

>>173788729
Yeah it is, at least for swordmen.
Crit forumla didn't change but you can't get 400+ crit rate from dex anymore.

>>173789174
>Crit forumla didn't change
Maybe it did. Losing 400 critrate is terrible.

>>173789065
>wizards get great SP but shit HP
>archers get shit SP and shit HP
I really wonder how they are going to make up for the crap HP/SP.

>>173788729

No, it's not kill. It's just no longer the go to stat for all physical damage dealing classes.

A dopple for example wont be getting crit, they'll be stacking damage. A Hoptile however is going to have a decent crit rate.

>>173789065
>Wizard > Archer > DPS cleric > Swordsman > Support cleric
lmfao stop posting retard

>>173789630
That seems accurate though.

>>173789725
stop posting retard

>>173789512
Fuck being a spear chucker.

>>173789838

That's just how it'll work. If you don't have skills and gear to give you crit rate, you wont be critting a lot. It's dumb to try and make a crit build unless you're one of the few classes with skills to increase crit rate.

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>>173789991
Swift Step still increases crit rate, right?

>>173790203
+150 flat.

>>173790203

150 flat amount.

Archers are all probably going to have ok crit rate with stuff like Rogue being able to fully specialise in it.

>>173789512
This anon gets it. Doppel never needed crit in the first place, it was just the only way to go for an additional 50% modifier since no skills had any good % modifiers. Now all of them do and STR is back.

>>173790712

Pretty much.

Crit attack is stupidly strong now. 100 Dex gives like 540 crit attack (while 100 Str gives 250 damage).
If you're something like a Rogue who can stack insane crit rate, you can build dex and do a shit load of damage. Otherwise you're better off just getting Str.

>>173790983
Pretty much. Crit attack was never any good because how poorly it scales with Doppel due to Deed's modifier not affecting it in the slightest and even with 50% bonus to crit attack from highlander it still was not a big impact. There is obviously room to experiment which could be better a high dex fast spinning cyclone (needs to be tested) with high crit attack and crit rate from gems and gear and 100 crit rate from cleave OR do you go max STR and abuse the new deed's that is a whopping 33% + 19% per stack (318% total physical bonus) or do you play around with crit attack. I feel like crit attack is going to be the archer norm while for swords STR is the way to go.

>>173791364

I suspect every physical damage dealing class will need some Str now. Apparently evasion is a thing now and Str is what gives accuracy.

In general it looks like you cannot just stack one stat anymore. The spread of what they give is much better and most classes will need multiple now due to various changes (clerics and wizards for example will need spr due to massively increased sp costs).

>>173784173
>we did not get to see the build

It's here
>>173766520
Sure, he can make adjustments to the stats. The biggest hit will be his investments to the gear
>But you will get refunds for all your trans items!

True, but farming a Venier is a pain in the ass. Unless they rehaul the rapier weapons, this is the most infuriating thing for established Fencer characters

>>173788049
Uh

play the game maybe

>>173791656
Aren't clerics starving for SP anyway? What's the difference with this one?

How long do your dungeon queues last on average, tosg?

Whats the best way to spend excess TP? Dont have enough for a token.

>>173792161

All items are being overhauled. A lot of rapiers in particular have crit chance.

>>173792289

SP costs got increased across the board. Anywhere from about 50% to as much as 300%.
There are some Cleric abilities that cost 300-400 SP.

>>173792440
Enchant scrolls I guess.

>>173788049

Well, fencers usually use a rotation where they use all their burst abilities, and while waiting for CDs, they spam composee. This makes for great sustained damage.

With the changes, the problem isn't that one skill (composee) has been shitrekt, but the entire rotation used by the class will be compromised, specifically because of how Epee Garde will become a bad buff due to no crits. Seriously, that skill is the quick cast of the build.

Yes, I do remember when Full STR fencers were a thing, and the associated different build that came with it during those times. The best case we can hope for is for fencers to go back to those levels. Not the king, but not totally useless either.

I wouldn't be surprised if it became useless though.

>>173792514
>A lot of rapiers have crit chance

THEY NEED TO HURRY UP AND RELEASE MORE INFO ON THE WEAPON CHANGES BECAUSE AS IT STANDS THIS STAT CHANGE JUST DESTROYED THE ENTIRE FENCER TREE I NEED MORE INFO ON THIS KIM

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Is ChapQuisitor good?

So ktos is already patched or is it some kind of beta?

>>173792790

And the point I am trying to make, which you still do not understand is all of those abilities have changed. What use to apply before this patch may no longer apply after the patch.
Fencers had a rotation, which after this patch might be entirely different.

Skills have changed, so have stats and even equipment. Until we get to play with it more we wont know exactly what is good or bad, just that what use to work may not necessarily work anymore.

>>173793065
holy shit faglord

I was trying to side with your opinion you stupid fucking nigg

lrn2read

>>173792923

Stats don't mean shit without us knowing the mechanics behind them.

For example, some of the new high level rapiers give 50 crit rate. But how much chance of a critical hit is that? Likewise, there are new daggers with around 50 crit rate, is that better than some elemental damage or not?

Until we know this stuff telling you rapiers have 50 crit rate honestly doesn't mean much.

>>173793242
>is elemental damage better than 50 crit rate
why are there still retards like this in the general? haven't we already discussed just how shitty elemental damage is for physical dps already like a million times?

next thing you're gonna tell me is how good sarkmis is with 500 dark attack right

>>173793242
YEAH THATS TRUE THATS WHY I AM SHOUTING FOR KIM TO RELEASE MORE WEAPONS REHAUL INFO

>>173793350

Nigga please, we're talking about this AFTER the stat changes.

Is 220 elemental damage bad? Maybe. Or maybe it's 220 multiplied by a skills damage modifier, so for a fencer anywhere from 600% to 1500% which is 1320 to 3300 bonus damage per ability.

Is that better than 50 crit rate? Who knows. Maybe 50 crit rate only translates into 5% chance to crit, or maybe into 50% chance to crit.

Until we get to test these ALL NEW mechanics, we do not know what is better.

>>173792947
It's ok but you pretty much need Manahas set and maxed Inquisitor burn attribute. Will probably be better after combat update since Sacrament has spr scaling and overall damage seems to be going down for everyone else while elemental shit stays the same.

>IMC in charge of change management

>>173793030
It's on the test server only.

>>173794008
You too.

Alchemist is going to become another shit class. Combustion is going to be a 1000% magic attack but it's still shit no matter how you slice it. How is an alchemist supposed to move forward to R9?

>>173795247
>How is an alchemist supposed to move forward to R9?
They aren't.
They are supposed to end at r8 an keep crafting shit.

>>173795247
ur a fucking crafter not a dps class wtf is wrong with you

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>>173795421
Stop saying this! My alchemist is cute and fierce and she has a cute loli pet and she will be great one day!

>>173795608
Shut up!

>>173795649
lolis are not pets you degenerate

is there any material that gives exactly 1 gem experience?