/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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Why aren't you destroying the ladder with Tempo Petal Rogue, anon?

first for quests ruined hearthstone more
>lets give some classes broken quests, some playable quests and some completely garbage quests

>Seriously considering cutting Darkshire Councilman from Discolock and adding in Quest + Deathwing to just shit out the quest in one turn and force endgame

Somebody tell me why this idea is shit, i literally never get value out of councilman, ever

>>173739034
Because it needs 8 epics?

>>173739034
Post dicklist pls anon i have two vanLeafs already

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Why Hearthstone is so expensive compared to other digital card games:

To answer this question, we have to go back to Hearthstone's inception, before copycat games like Shadowverse, Duelyst, Faeria, etc. were made. When HS first launched, it was the figurehead of a genre that had no contenders. Online card games were almost nonexistent. The closest, most popular thing to HS was MTG, and in terms of business model, HS blew MTG out of the water. In MTG, you had to spend literally hundreds of dollars for a single competitive deck, and top-tier rares in some formats cost thousands of dollars. In comparison, HS, with its daily gold rewards, Dust system, quests for newbies, and small giveways during new content releases, was extremely generous.

Then came the other card games. Following Hearthstone's massive success, similar games like Duelyst, Shadowverse, etc. popped up with extremely similar business models. But players were already heavily invested in Hearthstone, and few people were about to quit a game they invested hundreds of hours/$$$ in for a similar game in the same genre. In order to compete for the same playerbase, these new games had to come up with ways to draw new players.

Thus came extremely generous business models. Free packs, tons of gold, more common legendaries, one-time fee for everything, etc. lowered the barrier for new players, allowing them to build huge collections in a small time frame and incentivizing them to step away from their HS accounts

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on a scale of 1 to 10 how broken is this card

>Jeweled Macaw, Coin, Alleycat
>Turn 2 Scavenging Hyena, trade, trade , trade
>Turn 3 Animal Companion
>Turn 4 Houndmaster

THIS IS DUMBER THAN FUCKING PIRATE WARRIOR

>>173738910

NEW STAR!

>>173739140
Zoo is not very good at playing the long game.

Sounds memetastic especially with the discard imp on the board, but that's about it.

>>173739140
quest reward is not worth discarding any cards

>>173739346
Let's just shorten this a whole bunch: Because Blizzard is fucking greedy.

>>173739350
5-6?

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>>173739346
Hearthstone, in comparison, stuck with its same old business model with almost no changes. As time passed and more new digital card games popped up, Hearthstone became the odd man out in its stingy business practices.

When Hearthstone first released, nobody complained about the business model. It was only with the release of newer, more generous games that players began to criticism Hearthstone's expensiveness. But the most accurate criticism of Hearthstone's business model is not that it's too expensive, but that it's failed to adapt to a changing industry.

>tl;dr - Hearthstone is expensive because it was the first of its kind, copycat games that sprang up have very generous business models in order to compete for the same playerbase

>>173739350

>Turn 3 : Egg
>Turn 4: That card

...makes me want to punch the screen.

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out of dust, trying to make this work

any input would be greatly appreciated

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>Rewatch streamers reviews of this set
>So many of them called Rogue's quest shyte
>All these unbelievably stupid calls for card of the set
>Going nuts over a few of the quests that are now confirmed shit not even a week deep

Holy shit this is hilarious in hindsight

Should I craft deathwing for quest warrior? Seems good for a last push of damage and a good way to clear murlocks/tokens/rouge hand vomit.

>>173739350
Not broken because it is a conditional class card but very strong. 6ish

Even more so in arena because it's a common so you can probably pick one up reliably as warlock

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>>173739161
Don't play biteweed, it's shit. This is eloises list, it's good. Play it.

If you are having trouble closing out games swap a vilespine for Leeroy. Do not take out the arcane giants. Do not undervalue Hallucination, do not overvalue Cold Blood. You play board early with aggressive minions, your late game consists of deleting big threats with assplant and drawing 20 cards with Auctioneer. Prep goes on mimic pod or fan of knives. Do not undervalue fan of knives. Sherazin is core to your board power, you craft it.

Any questions?

>>173739458
No but Deathwing is. Sometimes when you get behind lategame, since zoo kind of sucks dick lategame, throwing down Deathwing is a good answer. Having a portal spewing 2/3s cant hurt either

>>173739534
Shit I gotta get me that Pterosaur. Here I was gonna make egg Druid.

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>>173739586
>Kripp was the only one that even saw potential in the Rouge's and Warriors quests

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I feel like I should have Imp Gang Boss in here, but I can't figure out what to take out for him. Suggestions?

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Is there a replacement for arcane giant that a new player can use? I want to play pic related

this fucking druid just got the longest, luckiest chain of cards of a fucking top deck auctioneer like holy fuck i most be dreaming. easily 6 cards chained, two midrange jade idols in there as well. DONE

>>173739752

Kipp also said that time mage was viable and that priest is fine. Kipp is the guy to listen to.

Trump can go fuck off.

>>173739616
One day, I will play Rogue gardener because Druids can't be gardeners for some reason.

>Classes with weapons have had the most cancerous decks in the past
>The class with a weapon hero power has always been top tier despite multiple nerfs

Are weapons the cause of broken decks? Them being able to hit face is most of the cause

>>173739760
Honestly I think I would cut the fledglings. They're good but kind of a snowball card Imp gang boss is straight good.

>>173739857
Trump was so badly wrong on so many cards it's almost incredible

Is he's still trying to make the plantlock meme real?

Just how fucking many Epic/Legendary cards this Expansion are auto-slot-ins in various high-end decks?

>>173739760

is there a reason to run the 3 drop over the 2 mana naxx egg card? 1 more mana for 2 stat points is not a lot.

>>173739887
>Rogue
>Cancer
>Ever

I'll give you Pre nerf Miracle but that's it lad, double Sstep on Leeroy guaranteed because turn 5 you're drawing your whole deck was kind of disgusting

>>173739559
Earth Shock is not needed in this deck, double Hex is more than enough.

Bilefin counts as a 1 murloc, it's not worth running.

Double Murloc Tidecaller is what you need, it's a compact-size Darkshire Councilman.

Warleaders are a must. You can go without Finja even though he's great, but you can't go without Warleaders.

I find overload cards not that great in murloc shaman. Even though you play cheap stuff in general, being down 1 or 2 mana can really fuck you up. The only overload card I think is worth running is Jade Claws since you kinda need some efficient small removal. Lightning Bolt is kinda okay because sometimes you need to kill something on turn 3 before you can Jade Lightning. Anyway, that's why I'd replace Lightning Storm with Maelstrom if possible.

Holy shit is midrange hunter ever OP. I've just gone 40-9. It's impossible to lose to rouges with it.

>>173739810
pls respond

>>173739987

not sure. but for epic I have seen a lot of people run hydra and drake so far.

>>173739987
over half?

this is the most p2w expansion yet

>>173740092
Good point, I forgot about that.

>>173740321
It really is. It's kind of ridiculous.

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>beautiful sunny day - not a cloud in the sky
>sitting in my favourite pub's beer garden with a pint
>playing hearthstone on my iPad Pro so I can see all the action
>playing Quest Warrior
>before I know it a huge gathering of people starts cheering me on
>drop a Tar Creeper
>some kid shrieks with joy telling his mum he wants to buy packs to get one
>turn to him - "you ain't seen nothing kid"
>tip my fedora in a gentlemanly way
>an attractive 8/10 bar wench starts waving her hand across her face - she can't handle this
>coin
>people gasp
>drop a fatty big boy - Tar Lord
>people going fucking crazy as it finishes my quest - hear some guy saying "holy shit 11 health, my pirate warrior is toast against this deck"
>skip forwards a little bit
>board full of fatty bad boys, 30 health, 20 armour, everyone cheering waiting for the kill
>have lethal, but decide to give the crowd something to go wild for
>drop a Brawl
>people shouting in disbelief
>the 1/1 Murloc on my opponent's board survives
>hear the same pirate warrior from earlier laughing
>drop my Sulfuras + new Hero Power
>bellow at the top of my lungs "by the power of Ragnaros!!!"
>kid is crying as I accidently screamed it right in his ear
>my hero power hits him in the face for lethal
>people literally screaming and cheering
>can hear that pirate fag saying to his boyfriend "what the fuck, is he a mage or a warrior!!!?"
>people lift me up, taking me outside
>just as we get outside the clouds clear, and the sun is shining brightly - almost feels right on my like I am some sort of God
>check my rank
>fuck yeah win streak, just hit 20

Today - fucking awesome lads

>Rogues consistently completing quests on turn 5 like its absolutely nothing
>Mage needs the sun and earth to align, Venus to be in the 12th house and for jesus himself to bless your deck if you want to have a prayer of getting your combo
>rogue can just unga bunga face with smorc charges and win by turn 7

NERFS FUCKING WHEN?

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>play net decks on any gamemode
>or lose

what rank did reynad finish his 14 hour stream at?

>>173740575
>Mage quest
>Hard to complete

Disappear, retard

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>>173740586
kek nvrmd

i look at the VOD, started at rank 13, ended at rank 10

!biblethump

>>173740575
>Quest Rogue is a problem

Please

>>173740582
this has never not been the case johnny is dead

>>173740768
it is a problem

the fact that rogues can complete the quest so quickly is really shit

>>173740575
>Mage needing all that shit

Just survive nigga, you have 6 freezes + 2 Ice blocks (and who knows how many else you could discover) you can draw your entire deck no problemo.

>>173740792
its easily worse than ever

budget decks are fucking gone now, you could play a entirely basic and classic zoo deck and have success in the past

PO killed that

Haven't played since early 2016, I just came back and have 33k dust

Should I start again/ how far can I get with having most base cards and 33k dust

>>173740797
Who cares about that when 90% of the decks can kill you faster than rogue completes its quest?

>>173740649
It's mostly rng if you can play the cards you're given and comparing it to old freeze mage it's much harder to pull off anything

>>173740768
It's a problem because nothing can beat them if they get the quest early, same was with pirates and still is but they're trying to fix that

>>173740908
pirate warrior and meme murloc decks aren't valid strategies

Anyone else ever had someone add you who doesn't even play HS? I had someone add me randomly and I don't even know how or why, because it looks like he's always playing Overwatch.

>>173740908
>draw nearly flawlessly as Zoolock
>get the rogue down low by turn 4
>turn 5 he preps quest, drops 4 charges and deals 20 damage to face instantly

yeah no problem here fampai

>>173740862
desu a proper midrange hunter list is still cheaper than a proper pre-Un'goro zoo list

>>173740941
>Deck draws well
>Wins

What a shocker

If you're playing decks that don't autowin when they draw their best play (assuming the opponent didn't draw theirs, matchups forgiving) you're playing a shit deck

>>173739526
>When Hearthstone first released, nobody complained about the business model. It was only with the release of newer, more generous games that players began to criticism Hearthstone's expensiveness.
Eh, I think most people are complaining about the business model only now because they are releasing 3 expansions a year. It wasn't to bad when there was one set you were slowly but surely collecting, leading you to a permanent full collection eventually. Nowadays you spend $50, you don't even get all the cards from the latest expansion, and they're going to be worthless in two years, during which six more expansions will come out. The game has become a treadmill, while it used to be a slow, steady jog to the finish line.

Rogue quest nerf when?

This shit is absolutely fucking retarded

if you can't kill them by turn 5 it's over

>>173741235
probably never because blizzard are shit

>>173740294
Post list dude

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Sniff my BODY

ah yes mage has unlimited ice blocks
ah yes rogue can completely their quest awfully quick
ah yes warrior can just play like a retard and just win

what a fun game

>>173741204
>Nowadays you spend $50, you don't even get all the cards from the latest expansion
that was true for every expansion, including the old ones

>The game has become a treadmill, while it used to be a slow, steady jog to the finish line.
That's one way to look at it. But another way to look at it is that the rotation system allows new players to catch up easier. Instead of having to buy every card from every expansion, they only need to focus on the new ones. Plus, Wild cards are still playable, especially in stuff like tavern brawls, are ostensibly getting more tournaments for them, and you can just dust them if you want to go full standard. Overall, the rotations are significantly better for new players while being marginally worse for vets. I'd say it's a good balance.

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>>173741235

>>173739810
nothing?

why did they change eaglehorn bow to not gain durability from enemy secrets?

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>>173741776

It has never triggered from enemy secrets

>>173741235
this
fuck is it annoying and so easy to pull off it's ridiculous, not to mention how strong having 5/5 for the cost of 1 on a class whose weakness is supposed to be control decks

>>173741881
yes it has
many years ago

Top 5 legos to craft from Un'goro?

>>173741984
Elise

>>173741984
>rogue quest
>any other cards you're missing for said deck

congrats on legend

>>173741984
Hunter Quest

>>173741663
>that was true for every expansion, including the old ones
Sure, but there were still (comparatively) affordable adventures, and not three expansions a year. Now it just became painfully obvious, the community is realizing what this model is going to mean moving forward. Back then GvG was a long-awaited new content, TGT was a breath of fresh air, and WOG was too good for anyone to notice anything. Un'goro is the start of customer fatigue.

>That's one way to look at it. But another way to look at it is that the rotation system allows new players to catch up easier.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against there being a rotation. Standard is a necessary format in a world with 3 yearly expansions, and it being different every year might also be good for veteran players who are easily bored. I just think it's not very compatible with the current business model and customer satisfaction.

Im no shill but i think this is definitely the best expac since gvg. Prove me wrong

>>173741021
>draw flawlessly on zoo

the dream of dreams.

>>173742043
>Getting to Legend with a deck that loses so consistently to aggro a.k.a all of ladder

since im at a safe rank, im trying adapt pally. its kinda feelin like poop. then again it is pally. is pally just dead for now?

>>173741235
i bet they did it only to make that bouncing rogue they were talking about after reddit outburst that time they annouced bad brewmaster a thing.
in the same set as pirate eating crab. 3 expansions in advance my ass, blizzard

>>173742102
Most expensive expac and first of the 3 expac for the year of the mammoth. You are 100% a shill

>>173742247
Been dead for 2 years, Brode hates paladin.

>>173742247
yes
he shouldve got priest quest

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I don't understand the meme some anons are spouting that paladin is shit when murlocadin is LITERALLY tier 1.

Also in other news, hey guys they reprinted shielded minibot, cool.

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>>173742668

>murlocadin

>>173742678
Only if you let me play my cancer quest mage.

Classic > WOG > GvG > Un'goro > MSG > TGT

Prove me right, faggots

>>173741663

it is still fucked up though. kripp payed like $1000 or some shit for a ton of packs and did not even get all the cards. For that much money ben brode should go over to his house and personally suck him off.

I'm late!
I'M LATE!

(cute! CUTE!)

>>173742867
Already done. Sorry brah.

>>173742885
Classic is the worst set and easily one of the main reasons why the game is so fundamentally broken. It never rotates out, all class cards are made unevenly. Only an idiot will think classic is good.

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>>173743045
>>173742885

This game has NEVER been good. Just enough to keep you playing and paying.

>>173740294

I nearly lost to one rogue by having the worst draw possible (starting hand was all 5+ mana).

I skillfully top decked skill command though and that kept my streak.

>>173743045
>class cards are made unevenly
lol, of course the Classic class cards are uneven in terms of power level. The hero powers are also uneven, so it has to be balanced out.

3 games in a row my opponent has had absolute perfect draw turn 1-5.

just "fought" a handlock who dropped twilight turn 3, shambler turn 4 AND 5, mountain turn 6, felfire turn 7 for lethal. like come the fuck on...

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I'M WARNING YOU

>>173743191
Yes Brode. Priest hero power is shit and so is their class cards in classic. Please explain that.

>Unicorn Purifer Priest is actually a top tier deck.

It's pretty consistent with Shadow visions and Lyra but the nut draws....man.

Never thought I'd live the dream. T5 rogues dropping 5/5s getting you down? Try T4 32/32 smashing you in the face if your opponent fails.

>T1 - whatever
>T2 - spell reduction elemental
>T3 - 3 mana 4/8
>T4 - Silence, x4 health, inner fire, GG.

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>>173743304
Classic Priest is good. You just have to believe in the Heart of the cards.

And be rank 20

>>173743304

Priest has the best control hero power. Not the boys fault that people only have the brains for me go face.

>>173743693
Ben why do you love to suck so much cock?

>zeriyah will never fuck your ass
someone post the savjz flute gif

>>173743693
>Priest has the best control hero power
Extraordinary.

>>173742668
>reprinted shielded minibot
>2/2 for 2 with a chance of being decent

Yeah, no.

>>173743906

>Fatigue 5-8 turns early.

Yeah. no

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>>173742705

Yeah, murlocadin. You know, the top 100 legend deck?

What rank are you, anon? Oh right, you're a shitter, nevermind :^)

>>173743978
name one adapt choice that isnt good for runt

>>173740395
Your hero power hit a child in the face?

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>>173744007
This post gave me cancer.

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>tfw got the paladin quest and pyros in my 50 packs

how do i even recover

>>173744039
The one when played on curve without 2 minions on the field. Like Shielded Minibot would have been played.

>>173743038
It's okay, it's not like I was trying to fuel my arena addiction anyways.

>>173739526
>>173741204
I've been playing almost since release and HS' business model has always been shit.

>>173744128
meme harder

>>173743978

Usable options

>poisonous
>Shield
>Death rattle

Better than vanilla options.

>+ attack
>+hp
>+1/+1

Pretty good odds of getting something decent.

Fucking goddamn I can't get past rank 16, fucking pirate warrior cancer and other let epic rng stops me. I hate this game

>>173744128
Run them both in the same warlock deck duuuh.

>>173744246
>I can't get past rank 16
I hate to tell you this anon, but you're either very bad at this game or you're using a shit deck.

>>173744217
See >>173744138

Shielded Minibot was strong because it was a strong 2 drop played on curve. This one is not a guaranteed adapt if played on curve most of the times.

It's idiotic, at best, to call it a reprinted Shielded Minibot.

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>>173744128

quit playing like the rest of us

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Post your weirdest pack.

anyone try avian watcher in the new secret mage?

Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Card Game Tilt Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha

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>>173744246
If you're playing a good deck, bad rng can happen but after a few games. So long as you're playing well and the deck is good you'll push through eventually.

>>173744685
that joke is older than brode's vintage dick sculpture

>>173744246
It got to 15 with literally 30 hunter cards deck made specifically to finish the 50 hunter cards quest.

You're just fucking bad if you can't get to 15.

>>173743271
WATCH YOUR BACK

THE VIC

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>>173744542
its almost like they were trying to tell me something...

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>>173745013
They were trying to grab your prize.

>>173739601
Deathwing is a good investment imo.

1-3 Make Mage Deck
4-6 Paladin
7-0 Rogue

>>173744197
I've been playing since closed beta and I can tell you with 100% certainty that almost nobody complained about the business model back then. The amount of complaints have about business model have steadily risen with time despite almost no changes to the business model. In fact, HS's business model has become more generous with the introduction of shit like Tavern Brawls and rank chest rewards.

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Sign-ups are now open for the next /hsg/ tournament, The Reno Jackson Memorial.

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>>173745147
>TCG fans not complaining about the business model
Stop lying

>>173745229
stop strawmanning. The amount of people complaining about hearthstone's business model has increased over time, despite hearthstone actually becoming more generous with its rewards.

>>173745147
>almost no changes to the business model
>less free packs with every expansion
>exponentially more expensive with the removal of adventures and more expansions

Brode is that you?

>>173745147
Yes they did, you lying son of a bitch. People have always complained about HS's slow as fuck card acquisition and adversarial treatment of new and free players and that was before the launch of Naxxramas.

>>173739403
what is it

>>173745172
What time will the tournament be held?
This is important.

>>173745298
There was a lot of auto-include neutrals back then from Naxx and GvG.

They've slowly been moving away from creating powerful neutrals in favour of spreading the broken shit around to class cards so you have to invest more to make them work.

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haha im poor

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>Rogue burns his quest
>mistakes were made
>concedes
>get matched against the same Rogue
>burns his quest again
>mistakes were made
>concedes

Poor Russian kid. I wish him better luck next time.

>>173745147
>have about business model have steadily risen with time
Yes, and take a fucking wild guess why that is?

>Slow, stingy as fuck card acquisition
>Here, let's add several hundred more cards
>But we are UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES going to make card acquisition faster
The complaining has increased because the problem has gotten infinitely worse. Fuck, now people PAY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS and can't complete sets.

>>173745348
>anon talking about closed beta
>reply with mentioning adventures and expansions
>thinking there were any free packs when the game was released
Anon...

>Watch. Your. Back.
>*quest card noise*
>Ha HAH!
>I'M IN CHAARRGE NOW
>Drink with me, friend!
>Ha HAH!
>*shadowstep noises*
>Ha HAH!
>*shadowstep noises*
>Ha HAH!
>quest complete turn 4

>>173745298
>despite hearthstone actually becoming more generous with its rewards.
How many packs did they give free this time? How many packs did we get for MSoG?

>>173745147
>HS's business model has become more generous with the introduction of shit like Tavern Brawls and rank chest rewards.
>ONE extra classic pack a week
>ONE extra golden card a MONTH (for the majority of players)
Woo.

I should have made this all one post, but fuck you are worse than the shills over at /pol/ god damn.

>>173745490
id recommend swapping beastragers for dire wolfs, but thats just me

>>173745586
we got 13 for whispers vs 3 and a new skin this time

>>173745545
He has been playing since closed beta you moron. He doesn't mean the business model in closed beta alone. Please fucking read you moron.

>2017
>still havent added lich king in some way
>still havent introduced death knights or monks

why play?

>>173745298
>more generous
Old Gods - Free Lego, 2 commons and 13 packs
Un'Goro - 8 packs, took away 3 classic pacs, added 3 more legos per expansion, 18 instead of 9 class legos

If you say so, Ben.

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I'M GONNA FUCKING DO IT

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>flame lance
>5 mana 8 damage to a minion

>meteor
>6 mana 15 damage to a minion and 3 damage to adjacent ones

what the FUCK were they thinking? Did Ben lose an arena run with mage and thought to himself "never again"?

>>173745476
6pm EST for NA
1pm EST for EU

>>173745672
Thanks Blizzard you are so generous. Continue to rape my wallet the next expansion while giving me shit duplicate legendaries. I love you BB.

>>173745584
You should have played around it.

>>173745708
He was obviously talking about the game when it had no expansions. You obviously misunderstood his point.

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>>173745653
You forgot the Heroic Tavern Brawl where you can earn 1000g, 1000dust, 50 packs and 3 golden legendaries!

How is that not generous?

>>173745768
make it golden faggot

>>173745870
Lel

>>173745803
On a weekend right?

>>173745842
No you moron. He said he has been playing since closed beta and no one complained back then and that more and more people are complaining despite there being no change in the business model. THIS IS WRONG. The fact that adventures are gone is a change in business model. Fucking retard can't fucking read.

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>>173745768
AHHHHHHHHH
>>173745940
I DID FUCKER

>>173745584
what if shadow step couldn't\t reduce the units mana cost below 1

>>173745350
very few people complained. The amount of complaints has significantly increased over time, this is undeniable.

>>173745348
>less free packs with every expansion
is this true? I don't feel like this is true. I don't remember getting significantly more packs in previous expansions. In fact, IIRC you got nothing in TGT.

>>173746056
the absolute madman

>>173746095
>very few people I cared about complained
We get it, Blizzard, you hate people who don't give you money. Fuck off.

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>>173746007
>The fact that adventures are gone is a change in business model
I'm done here.

>>173746056
But why?

I have a regular one and it's useless even for meme decks.

>>173745767
old gods was pretty recent. How did that compare to GvG and TGT?

>>173746056
>5 dust left
What account is this? Your roommate's?

>>173746153
>I'm done here
No you are not. You are paid per post for shilling for blizzard. What exactly constituents a change in business model according to you shill?

rng is just completely raping me tonight.

mage opponent turn 1 quest, turn 2 glyph, into GLYPH, into TOME.

i conceded

>>173746007
Yes, right now it's set for next Fri/Sat/Sun and the following, but that will -probably- change.

>>173746095
>The amount of complaints has significantly increased over time, this is undeniable.
Because the game got more expensive, obviously.

It's easy to keep up when you have just the classic set to keep up with. Add Naxx? Sure, it's still cheap. Add expansions... well now it's starting to be harder. Wait, make most of my collection is becoming useless? Damn, better give Blizzard the right to use my credit card at their will.

>>173746095
>is this true?
Old Gods is 13 packs and a lego.
MSG is 8 (iirc)
Un'goro is 8 - 3 classic packs.

>>173746225
Old Gods is a year ago.

>>173745767
>Classic - no free legendaries, no free packs
>Old gods - free legendary, free packs
>this is less generous

Flawless logic.

>>173744026
>Yeah, murlocadin. You know, the top 100 legend deck?
I mean Dog got top 1 legend with Quest Rogue, and that deck is kind of shit now too

>>173746095
Why?
Standard wasn't a thing so people didn't know that half of their collection would be instantly irrelevant.

Naxx was the first adventure and people thought that it would be a staple in their business model. Offering cheap and reliable ways to get cards inbetween the more expensive expansions.

>>173745791
>5 mana destroy a minion
>6 mana destroy a minion and deal some damage to the minions next to it

>>173746397
>8 packs is more than 13 packs and a lego

Flawless logic.

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>>173739616

Can you play this deck without Thalnos or if he too integral to it?

>>173746397
>We introduced standard and made 50% of your collection irrelevant
>Haha here is 1 free legendary and some packs

BLIZZARD SO GENEROUS

is rogue the most frustrating class to play against?

>>173746456
>minions with more than 8 health don't exist, especially in arena
alright ben whatever you say

>>173746436

Not anyone previously involved in this conversation but as someone who quit near the end of last year and returned for the "big rotation" and new expansion: I at least really enjoy playing murloc pally and am putting in the time (trying to do 30 games a day at least) to hit legend for the first time. I at least want to get there once before I quit the game for good, which tbqh i'll probably do because as people have been saying, the business model is shit and keeps getting shittier.

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>>173746157
i like the card's look and theme
i'll force it in my deck
>>173746103
true
>>173746308
nah, it's mine lul

>>173746635
But according to this shill >>173746153
there has been no change in the business model.

Day 5 of the expansion.
What's the mete report?
Is it finally time to craft the shaman quest?

>>173746056
PICK A CARD, ANY CARD

If you actually fucked up an account that isn't yours, you're a big bastard. Except if it's Zeriyah's account.

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literally never gets old. honestly might actually start playing the game more because this deck is so fun, actually rank up seriously for a change. i'm winning most games, i'm only rank 12 because i don't play that many games per week.

>>173745791
The perspective is all wrong in this piece.

>>173746056
e d g y

>>173746706
PICK
A
CARD

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Should I craft regular or golden Patches?

If double digits, I craft Golden. This includes any replies to this post.

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LUL

>>173746712

To be fair I literally started when Naxx came out and they gave you the first wing for free. I poured everything into getting the useful deathrattle cards which were mostly commons, and poured all of my gold into getting all of Naxx ASAP, then I just made deathrattle <class> to complete dailies and build my collection. Feels bad you can't do that and can't really be truly f2p anymore like you used to be able to. Even back in GvG you could just get all of the neutral mech cards and use mech decks to complete your dailies for every class, I'm pretty sure there isn't an equivalent of that now.

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>>173746824
>Just opened a Gentle Megasaur
>Opened 3 Primalfin Totem
>Have almost a complete set of the fucking Murlocs from this set
>I couldn't give a shit less about Murlocs

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>>173739987
Depends on what you want to play. Quest warrior and rogue in general can be a bit pricey, but zoo and midrange hunter are basically free, you don't need hydras or clutchmother zavas or really any epics or legendaries to play those. Another cheaper deck is living mana that can be run with only 2 living manas as epics. There's also silence priest without lyra or hydras for a more control option (it's basically handlock), just add another songstealer. There's a lot of expensive decks but also a lot of decks period to play and ladder successfully right now, and these ones are dirt cheap

>>173747042
How is quest rogue expensive. Providing you have been keeping up with the deck you really only need to craft the leggo this expansion to play it. All the rest of the cards are from old sets or commons.

>>173746801
nah, it's actually mine
>>173746950
ANY CARD
>>173746880
hell yeah

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GVG - 1 free arena run, 3 packs, approximately 4 packs total
TGT - literally nothing
Whispers - 13 packs
Mean Streets - 6 packs
Un'goro - 4 free packs and a bunch of other shit, equal to 5-6 packs total

So yeah, Hearthstone's actually been giving away MORE free shit over time. Whispers was an outlier in that it gave a massive amount of free shit. Mean Streets and Ungoro gave out less in comparison, but were still miles ahead of earlier expansions.

I stand by my theory that Hearthstone's business model has more or less remained the same over time; if anything, it's gotten slightly more generous with Brawl packs and ranked chests.

The biggest change to business model is no Adventures, but this change is so recent and has quite literally only affected 1 expansion so far. People are complaining about Hearthstone's price because newer card games blow it out of the water (see>>173739346). There were significantly less complaints at the start of Hearthstone's launch.

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Now I wonder, are there any horror stories of people leaving their accounts opened and having their family/friends/enemies craft or disenchant stuff for lulz?

>>173747262
>Forgetting the introduction of standard
Shills gonna shill.
Introducing standard was by far the biggest change in the business model.

I quit before Mean Streets of Gadgetzan.

Is the game good yet? I hear they moved some Classic cards into Wild.

>>173747295

I remember reading a story that someone dusted someone elses entire collection and then crafted golden milhouses with the dust.

Need to complete challenge a friend quest
Add me
SpaceMonkey#1674

>>173747262
Now let's add the part you forgot. As with American worker's wages, the additional "gifts" are not keeping pace with the price of the game. You're an idiot QED

>>173747372
That one was obvious, though. Literally nobody was surprised when they introduced it.

If anything, it worsened the complaints about the business model (which, being the same as before, is actually worse in the Standard era than it was in the Classic era)

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What are /hsg/'s thoughts on Spikeridged Steed?

I'm seriously considering dropping Leeroy and Black Knight for 2x steed in my aggro murloc deck right now. Feels like the deck is more of a combo deck (you get a board with several murlocs and then you buff them with something, usually BoK or mass buffs like warleader or megasaur). Both of the legos seem to sit in my hand a lot, after like 20 games today Leeroy in particular always ends up sitting in my hand, like it's a win more. Either I already won the game with my murlocs and he's not necessary, or he doesn't do lethal and sits in my hand not helping at all. Steed on the other hand, could keep my murlocs alive in the midgame and provide some additional taunts, and the card has built-in CA since even if you kill the big-ass buffed dude you still have to deal with a 2/6 taunt again afterwards. I'd love to run 4x BoK and this seems like a pretty reasonable substitute for BoK 3-4.

Am I wrong? They're only rares so I'm thinking of crafting them but just wanted to check in with you guys first.

>>173747472
Someone completed it.
Thanks

>>173747685
When do you get the gold from this quest? Can I just start a duel with a friend and then immediately concede?

>>173747372
see>>173741663
Standard was a good change for new players and had only marginal impact on vets. Rotations actually have literally zero impact on the price of acquiring new cards.

>>173747521
Business model is undoubtedly better in Standard than before, because new players only need to acquire new expansions instead of literally ALL expansions. You're confusing Standard changes with "No adventure" changes.

>>173739346

Comparing HS to a physical card game like MTG is retarded, HS's business model has always been shit because once you have something, it's worth practically nothing. Also digital cards cost nothing to provide to you, MTG has actually mass produce and sell a physical product, which once you own you can resell/trade for other things.

>>173747521
How hard are you shilling for blizzard. People were under the impression because it was a digital card game blizzard could fix cards on a fly and didn't need to introduce a standard. Introduction of standard which was never announced during close beta or expected is a change in business model you fucking shill.

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Just recovered my old account, saw this upon entering

wat do?

>>173747841
>Rotations actually have literally zero impact on the price of acquiring new cards.
Only fucking morons think this. Rotation devalued the cards and gave marginal returns for dust. It meant that people couldn't keep playing their old decks and craft a few cards each expansion. They were forced to continually buy new packs to be up to date which is exactly what Blizzard wants. This was never stated during the close beta.

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>>173747885
lmao this is from the first of the 3 promotional Un'Goro packs

what could it be?

>>173747852
>Comparing HS to a physical card game like MTG is retarded
it's not. At the time of HS's launch, MTG was literally the closest comparison. No other digital card games existed that was worth mentioning.

>once you have something, it's worth practically nothing
what a silly statement. Once you have ANYTHING digital, it's worth nothing.

>MTG has actually mass produce and sell a physical product
negligible overhead cost. You can't seriously expect the scrap of paper Black Lotus is printed on is worth literally thousands of dollars? It's called artificial demand.

Vilespine Slayer is the most broken card in this set, debate me.

>>173748065
shit

>>173747751
At the end of the match.

>>173747841
>Business model is undoubtedly better in Standard than before, because new players only need to acquire new expansions instead of literally ALL expansions.

What I mean is this:
Before the standard era, there were three expansions to buy packs from to play the game. After standard was introduced, there are (going to be) seven at the same time, if you count Classic - and that's just to play Standard. If you want to play Wild, you have to spend quite a lot of dust if you're not a veteran player.

What deck beats curve hunter? It's all I'm facing right now.

>>173748167
Tempo rouge

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>>173748117
yup

>>173747858
Wow, did you really expect Blizzard were not going to eventually come up with regular expansion releases, thus leading to the need to create a standard format?

How naive were you?

>>173748047
>They were forced to continually buy new packs to be up to date
This is quite literally how it is for every expansion. Every expansion/adventure required you to spend money to keep up-to-date. Standard exacerbated this problem by rendering portions of your collection useless, but like I said before, this adverse effect on vets is balanced by its beneficial effect on new players.

>turn 4
>enemy floods board
>my turn
>unleash into scavenging
>enemy instant concedes

is there anything better?

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>>173747119
It's not, really, but miracoli right now sure is and the others I mentioned don't have legendaries so it's all relative. Quest rogue is definitely relatively affordable compared to wallet warrior. I guess I should have mentioned pirate warrior as well as a top tier budget deck but... it's pirate warrior. I also should have mentioned handlock with is identical to silence priest basically, and the fact that they both tend to run faceless shambler but if you make the priest specifically a faster list and even cut the silences/Big Guys, you get a very good tempo inner fire priest with the common coltrol priest commons in it (pyro, auchenai, pain, circle, etc.), lyra is only really great as gas in control matchups. Making a 24/24 on turn 4 is pretty fun desu.

I appreciate the budget players that don't autistically screech about JEWS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GIMME all day to no avail despite it even being true, it's not ideal but it won't change and there are fun things to play for cheap right now.

>>173742196
Idk what rogues you're playing against at rank 20

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turns out totem rogue is pretttty good

>>173747674
tRY IT FAGGOT

>>173748127
Except standard forces you to buy packs from every expansion to be relevant and with the removal of adventures, standard is even more expensive than previously assumed when standard was first introduced.

>>173748358
b-but muh dust :C

>>173747295
Actually happened to me at a newyears party after tGT release afair, I think I've shared this story before?
>Playing drinking games with my older cousins, having a blast
>One of my younger cousins comes up to us
>Asks us if any of us have games in our phones
>Nobody wants to give him a phone
>I want to seem like a cool guy so I lend him mine
>Whatever, rest of party goes fine
>Hours later he comes back, battery died
>It's k lil guy
>Go home
>Plug in phone
>Sleep
>Wake up next morning
>Open up hearthstone
>Don't realize it at first until I open up my decklist
>MOTHERFUCKER
>M O T H E R F U C K E R
>Practically wasted all my dust
>Deleted some of my decks
>Gold was all gone
I can't remember much else, but I think he had crafted most of the TGT rogue cards and made a spider deck filled with shit like nerubians and anubarak, he's the kind of kid with a shit eating "I asked your mom and she told me you had to let me play" grin.

>>173748227
Never seen one. Decklist?

>>173748082

> At the time of HS's launch, MTG was literally the closest comparison.

But they aren't comparable because physical and digital are very different, HS only seemed alright at the start because there was fuck all cards to own.

> Once you have ANYTHING digital, it's worth nothing.

That isn't true, in games that allow trading, owning something retains its digital worth and can be traded for other digital things. Having something in HS means its worth 8 to 4 times less than it cost to get it.

> You can't seriously expect the scrap of paper Black Lotus is printed on is worth literally thousands of dollars?

Wizards didn't sell black lotus for thousands, that is a player created demand/price and a fucking retarded analogy.

>>173747674
Mostly too expensive. Depends on the deck though.

>>173748268
Blizzard does jewy shit to earn more money.
More people complain.
The only naive retard is the one trying to whitewash Blizzard saying there is no business model change and that people are just complaining for the sake of it.

>>173748281
>this adverse effect on vets is balanced by its beneficial effect on new players.
Please don't spin this like Blizzard is trying to help new players instead of them trying to make more money. If they wanted to have a beneficial effect on new players, they won't have removed adventures.

>>173746058
Then I would want my dust back from the quest

>>173747751
Don't do that. I don't think you get the gold if you do that.

>>173747852
>Comparing HS to a physical card game like MTG is retarded
Yeah, because if you drop a thousand dollars on MTG you'll be swimming in literally all the cards you could ever want EVER. You do that in HS and you don't even have a complete collection of its less than 1000 cards.

>>173748431
It is the petals one. Run Eloise's version

I have 5.2k dust, what do I craft?

playing midrange hunter, literally cost me 1.5k dust doing the best i ever have in this game

>be exoida mage
>everyone concedes before i can cast my fireballs

fuck off

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>>173747674
This would absolutely be a better card to include than Black Knight in aggro pally unless you play 100% taunt warrior, it's insane. I don't know how you personally feel about the reach of your deck because if it sometimes comes up just short Leeroy might be a keep for a finisher, but that's your call. If you play a lot of paladin you will use this card at some point

>>173748628
But that's miracle rogue,

>>173748503
>The only naive retard is the one trying to whitewash Blizzard saying there is no business model change and that people are just complaining for the sake of it.
Motherfucker. 7/10, you made me reply to you several times.

>>173748083
It's pretty fierce. I saw it land and was like "Wow shit." I mean I fully realized what it did beforehand, but having it used on me was visceral.

>>173748457
>HS only seemed alright at the start because there was fuck all cards to own.
a change which Standard actually improved and yet people are actively hating. ironic

>owning something retains its digital worth and can be traded for other digital things
Outside of MMOs, very few games do this. In fact, I don't think a single other online card game does this. It's just a staple of the genre. Singling out HS for this when every other game is equally guilty is silly.

>>173748457
>that is a player created demand/price and a fucking retarded analogy
has no impact. We're specifically talking about price of acquiring cards/decks, in which case the player market is fair ground.

>>173748503
Hearthstone gets exponentially more expensive with every year. Imagine 10 years of hearthstone with literally 30+ expansions worth of cards. That's literally impossible to break into for a new player, or even returning players who haven't played for a few years. Wild format is complete unsustainable. Rotations were inevitable.

Plus, rotations were at least equally related to design as business. Team 5 is too incompetent to balance even a new expansion, much less balance it in the context of dozens of prior expansions.

>>173748616

>Yeah, because if you drop a thousand dollars on MTG you'll be swimming in literally all the cards you could ever want EVER. You do that in HS and you don't even have a complete collection of its less than 1000 cards.

The point is if you put $1000 into MTG, you have $1000 worth of stuff, but if you put $1000 into HS you have nothing.

>>173748769
>Be cancer
>Everyone commits suicide before I can spread my cells

>>173748825
Fuck off shill.
>Introduction of standard
NO CHANGE IN BUSINESS MODEL
>Removal of adventures
NO CHANGE IN BUSINESS MODEL

Must blizzard start selling paper cards for it to be a change moron?

>>173748358
>>173748398

I'm just gonna try ivory knight in that slot instead, fuck it :::---DDD

Anyone know what the probability that you get at least 1 good card if you discover 3 and roughly 50% of the spells are good (or at least reasonable) picks?

>>173748769
>be Exodia mage at 1 HP
>opponent plays Hydrologist -> Eye for an Eye
>BabyRage

>>173748924
If you put $1000 into steam games, you also have literally nothing. You can't trade or sell old steam games. Outside of player-based trading (which no other card game has see>>173748915), digital products by their nature are worthless.

do you guys like to purposely flip logic to get each other mad while pretending to not be mad?

>>173749026
>paladin
im not at wood ranks tho

>>173747674
It's very strong in midrange pally at least. Drops a ton of value on the board in control matchups, and the match is basically over if you get one in play against aggro.

Might be too slow for an aggro deck, though. But if your curve is high enough for Black Knight to be reasonable, it might work as a one-of at least. Try it out.

Leeroy usually makes the cut in most aggro decks. If he doesn't feel relevant enough, maybe you don't run enough proactive early game? But I don't know what your list looks like.

>>173748413
This is why I never go out of my way to be nice to kids.

>>173748252
Nope. He's quirky. I want him so I can plant a garden.

>>173748915
>That's literally impossible to break into for a new player, or even returning players who haven't played for a few years.

Bull fucking shit. The new player can still craft all the cards required to play a deck. It is not like the cost of crafting a deck goes up unless someone builds a deck with 30 legendaries. Please don't spin this as a way to "protect" new players. If that was the case, adventures won't have been removed.

>>173748969
You're a troll, because you are unable to process arguments and advance the discussion without going off your paranoid "jewy blizzard shills" rant. It's like you're one of the kids from /pol/ who think anyone who argues about anything is a secret shill. "Oh my god, someone argued about something, better completely misunderstand it and say they're defending Bli$$ard!!"

Wes, faggot, we're paid shills, and we're onto you. You better go sniff cunnies in /svg/.

>>173749057

yeah and $1000 of steam games nets you a fucking lot of stuff, $1000 of HS packs doesn't even remotely cover the game.

The whole point is that comparing digital and physical is dumb and the cost of HS compared to other digital things is obscene.

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>not running Abominations to counter aggro + kanker mage

>>173748268
We were kind of hoping they'd make it faster to acquire cards so that people could keep up with the expansions. How foolish of us.

>>173748281
It's exponentially increasing though and the paltry rewards Jewzzard is giving away don't cut it. People are falling FAR behind. This game was always unfriendly to casuals, now it's murderous to them.

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>>173748687
This guy gets it

Is it possible to run Jade Druid without Arcane Giant?

>>173749218
>Entire post with ad hominem and no points to refute me
Thanks for playing

>>173748687
>>173749368
No skill faggots!

>>173749234
>$1000 of steam games nets you a fucking lot of stuff
no, it literally doesn't. You can't do anything with those games. They're worthless. The only thing you can do is sell your account, but you can also sell your account with Hearthstone.

All digital products are inherently worthless. Singling out HS for it is silly.

>>173749463
Be nice to people?

Nope

>>173749503
Worth does not equal liquidity

>>173749374

No, if you dont put in arcane giants the deck cannot be completed and you cannot play.

cmon nigger do you really think decks only fucking work with one exact list? fucking hell you shitty netdeckers who can't even remotely think about deck building disgust me

>>173749503
HS is a digital game that acts like it is a physical one while retaining all the cons of a digital game. It is fucking disgusting.

So, should I craft Quest Rogue to make it to legend?

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>>173749125
You can pretty easily climb with paladin of various types right now, tidesoftime got top 10 with a control paladin list. There's a decent amount of parity right now outside of valeera and garrosh feeling a little bit stronger than everyone else but not by too much

I miss this card and tempo warrior (fuck dragons), it would be fucking nuts in taunt warrior tho

>>173749625
a criticism that can be levied against literally every other digital card game. It comes with the territory.

>>173749553
but that's literally what's being argued here. A guy is arguing Hearthstone cards are worthless because they can't be liquidated

>>173748413
Kind of your fault for letting a random stranger play on your account.

>>173749602
I'm new to the game you fuckhead, I tried asking for replacements early on but no one answered so I figured a more heavyhanded approach would bait people into answering. Turns out it worked. Now at least try to help me find a replacement that can be easily crafted by my shitty noob ass

>>173749625
When compared to other digital f2p games, Hearthstone is actually pretty tame. Other games provide an infinite way to spend money to enhance gameplay or to stay competitive. Hearthstone has a ceiling, after which you have obtained enough cards to be on the same competitive level as everyone else. It does not have purchasable temporary boosts.

Granted, if you consider standard as a temporary game mode, you might start to see it a bit differently, but Wild is also a format, and you can always dust rotating cards.

>>173749754
What other digital card game has a standard rotation and is slow to nerf broken cards?

>>173749664
>falling for memes

>>173746824
dick list?

>>173748924
Less than nothing as a matter of fact, because you're not even getting your real money's worth of fake cards. It's a fucking scandal.

>>173749840
Compared to other digital CARD f2p games, Hearthstone is actually the most fucking expensive of the bunch. What is your point? You need to compare with gutter trash that imbeciles play like Clash of Clans for Hearthstone to look good.

>>173749748

This guy had some epic intro music.

Thinking about it Lyra is the best intro in Un'goro. Tirion in base...

What's the 'best intro' card in other sets?

>>173749825
Kara is $20 that's like a gram of weed it's nothing just buy it.

>>173749057
And this is why I have ALWAYS been against paying for anything you don't get a hard copy of. Although if the price is low enough - like under $10, I bend that sometimes. I mean I spend about that on going to the movies or eating out and that's a one time thing, so it's about the same.

>>173749982
Your mom last night

>>173749978
Yes, HS is the most expensive, because it was the first, and it is the biggest, therefore others must compete with it by having cheaper prices. Imagine if a new card game came out and it was more expensive than HS! What a silly notion.

(Actually, Magic the Gathering Online is the most expensive, but I won't count it because it's shit)

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>people are already heavily teching against taunt warrior
>literally just add a tiny amount of early game to any deck and it totally shits all over warrior quest

Well it was fun while it lasted.

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>>173749463
Now that you actually have options there's a bit more decion-making in this version of midrange rexxar compared to the one from tgt-msg, but honestly it's just like any other deck in that you set up your wincon the best you can every turn based on the matchup so what's the fucking difference in the end. It serves a healthy purpose in the meta of ripping on quest rogues and mage

SMOrc

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>>173749173
>>173748807

Thanks for the feedback guys. My deck is extremely proactive and most games are won by turn 6, many as early as turn 4. Sometimes they go for longer and that's okay because the deck can re-fill the board and play a mass buff, coming back even against multiple AoE's sometimes, especially with divine favor to refill your hand against the control decks who run a lot of AoE. While the deck is super aggressive I feel like it's aggro-combo, where it's less about getting people into fireball range and more about building a board from turn that just snowballs out of control (pic related).

Now I'm running 2x ivory knight to see how they do, mostly I'd like more cards like divine favor/warleader/megasaur/BoK that can help me either outright win a game or bring me back into it if I get board wiped (if you play around AoE right they can wipe you but then you just reflood the board and play a megasaur or warleader and suddenly they're dead if they don't have another AoE). I just imagine putting a steed on a megasaur and making a 7/10 taunt, or buffing a tar creeper after it's spent some time cucking aggro. Like, steed is both a great buff as well as protection for my murlocs and virtual CA (since it drops another 2/6 taunt even if the minion dies, excluding stuff like hex but then they aren't hexing a BoK target or warleader etc).

Right now I'm trying out Ivory Knight in place of TBK and Leeroy, only played a few games but it's worked out pretty well thus far. Last game it got me first an avenging wrath which I used to board wipe a zoolock, and the 2nd one got a divine favor which wasn't useful at the moment but hey it's +3 life and I can certainly see situations where it'd be an insane pull. We'll see how it continues to perform but in general being better against aggro is a good thing I believe.

At the end of the day I'll probably put steeds in the deck when I pull them from packs but I just don't want to waste the dust on rares tbhfam.

>>173750085

Your mother is so dumb, she can't even play pirate warrior.

>>173739616
I still have the mantis man of wonderful poisons, and he looks like he fits.
Any reason not to play him?

>>173750114
Good. So it is the most expensive glad we cleared that up

>>173749982
Regardless of what people think about I'M IN CHARGE NOW, I still love his entrance.

>>173749503
>All digital products are inherently worthless. Singling out HS for it is silly.
Now you're just being facetious. If I pay $1 for a e-game of tic--tac-fucking-toes and then I spend $10,000 on this pile of shit, those two things are NOT fucking equal.

>>173750275
Spending $1000 on HS is equal to spending $1000 on Steam in terms of resale tho

>>173750179
Your mother is pretty good tho. I gave her my dicklist and she played it all night long.

>>173749850
Other card games are too new to undergo rotations. Ask this again in a few years.

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>>173750164
Pirate warrior does what hunter does better tho. I don't get the point other than budget.

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>>173749664
You can climb with quest rogue a bit by merit of it being really good no matter what, but like aggro shaman of old it's a very high skill cap deck and any shitter can't just get ez legend with it with like secret paladin without some good practice in the important matchups.

There are two variants right now, the elemental list that uses fire fly/igneous elemental to consistently get it done or (prominently) Casie's list which includes shit like coldlight and vanish for more utility, I like the latter because it's faster and more fun but it's also more highroll dependant

>>173750275
Now you're comparing relative value to $ spent, which is a completely different argument to "HS is worthless because it's digital."

>>173750449
Warrior no balls.

>>173750473
hunter actually has mid game though

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>>173750165
>>173749173
>>173748807

Also shit like pic related happens surprisingly regularly/consistently. Worse yet, if people don't deal with my shit IMMEDIATELY (especially when I'm on the play like this and get to play my stuff first, they need removal for my T1 minion), it's often too late and shit spirals out of control. It's very easy to make all of your murlocs huge and unkillable aside from things like brawl which don't even show up until turn 5, and even then it can force bad situations where I'm still left with 1 murloc and then I just go ahead and dump more. Ultimately I feel like the deck is extremely solid and the only slot I'm playing around with now are the last 2 cards, used to be leeroy/TBK and now are 2x ivory knight, will probably eventually be steeds when I get them.

>>173749850
standard rotation isn't bad you mong

every game will end up establishing multiple formats when they get old enough

>start up a ranked game
>see opponent
>regular hero
>classic card sleeve
What is your first thought, anon?

>>173750231
This was literally the original point >>173739346

>>173750638
I never put cards back on, I like to think I win so many games because my opponent underestimates me early game.

>>173749978
>Hearthstone is actually the most fucking expensive of the bunch
And by a significant margin at that.

>>173750114
>Magic the Gathering Online is the most expensive
Nope. HS is still more. And again, by a wide margin. And let's also not forget, you can trade in your fake cards with MTGO for real ones (or you could last I knew).

>>173750373
That isn't the only value though. Paying $1,000 and getting a game is better than paying $1,000 and getting fuck all. You'd have to literally spend about that much to complete a HS collection - probably more. I don't know. I'm sure someone's calculated it. It's certainly more than hundreds.

>>173750505
No it's not. You're just being blizzard's good little shill bitch. Value is value. HS is not worth paying money for. The only reason it's making ANY is because an entire generation of subhuman sociopaths have been raised in the suburbs who are parted with their money faster than a whore with her panties.

>>173750392
>a criticism that can be levied against literally every other digital card game. It comes with the territory.
>Okay name another card game which such a criticism can be levied against it
>O-o-Other card games are too new to undergo rotations. A-a-ask this again in a few years.

How hard can you backpedal?

>>173750543
Hey I'm running your deck right now and I'm wondering what you think about having reckless rocketeers instead of leeroy and TBK

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>>173750473
A similar role to face hunter, but midrange has a bit more value packed in helping it destroy greedy control decks that can sometimes wall out pirate warrior. Handlock and the like vs hunter has always been abysmal, although zoo is also still your bane, fuck zoo.

Maybe I just prefer the art for hunter, hmm.

>>173750683
No my point is that you are trying to say HS isn't expensive by comparing it to other F2P games which is disingenuous. You should compare it with other digital CG and only that.

>>173750449
Go shaman and try for elementals.

>>173750604
Standard rotation isn't bad.
Standard rotation and then making everything else more expensive is bad.
You can't introduce standard rotation "for the new players" and then turn around and remove adventures. That makes you look cheap.

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I honestly think it's unethical to create other games that look almost exactly like a popular game, with almost the same gameplay mechanics, practically identical UI implementation, and an identical overall business/resource model.

I see stuff like SV as a shameless cash grab, not unlike fake Chinese Adidas shoes or fake iPhones. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Now, I know Blizzard's games are not completely original, but they at least give things a new twit, not just literally steal ideas and their implementation from others.

>>173750749
you're completely confusing arguments. The "criticsm that can be levied against literally every other card game" refers to the inherently worthless nature of digital cards, not rotations.

>>173750878
What? First of all, I AM saying that hearthstone is expensive, but not for the reasons everyone thinks. Hearthstone is expensive because newer cards games have sprouted up that put its business models to shame. Second, I AM comparing HS to other digital card games such as Shadowverse, Duelsy, Faeria, etc. I make no reference to mobileshit.

>>173751048
>twit
Wew. Twist.

Has anyone else noticed that with every expansion, there seems to be an order to which you open the commons? And it always seems to be worst to best. It took me until I almost completed my common set in Classic before I got even ONE Flame Imp, but now I have both. Same with Ice Lance, same with Pain Seer (none), etc. But by god, I have had something like 5-6 playsets of fucking Thrallmar Farseer. Same with Un'Goro. I've almost got a complete set of the commons, but no Macaw, not even 1 Tar Creeper, no Ravenous Pterrordaxes, and no Arcanologists. Only free players answer (fuck off blizzard agents).

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>>173750165
>I'd like more cards like divine favor/warleader/megasaur/BoK that can help me either outright win a game or bring me back into it if I get board wiped

If you want the ultimate version of this than Finja would absolutely be the place to turn to if you can afford it. I would say +1 stegodon buff and +1 leeroy on the top end would be pretty optimal, but again if you're only facing taunt warrior TBK is never a bad niche tech choice. I think of stegodon buff as 4 extra guaranteed face damage off of the buff and dino left behind in your deck, plus protecting your own face, could possibly be good.

Man, I wish I had the dust for the epic paladin murlocs, that looks pretty fun

>>173750540
Yah but does that really matter? I made a broad generalization earlier.. pirate kills u turn 5 hunter kills you turn 6-8 or something. Does it really fare any better??

>>173751048
>>173751154
I think you were right the first time. Blizzard lives on copyright infringement. They always have. Diablo was probably their only original idea ever.

>>173751089
You replied to my post here >>173749625.
My criticism is

>HS is a digital game that acts like it is a physical one while retaining all the cons of a digital game. It is fucking disgusting.

NOT

>the inherently worthless nature of digital cards, not rotations.

You are the one confusing arguments

>>173739140
You'll need to have 6 cards in your hand for that to even work, probably not happening, specially late game