/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>>173597729
>not brown yeeks
There was an attempt

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>Trog's Supremacy
>RegenMP
Trog has no idea what he's doing, does he?

Continuing from other thread

>>173597000
Do I just skill him like a normal otabber? Weapon til mindelay, then shield/dodging/fighting? Also, do I skill stealth much? Ranged option I'm assuming evocations up to 10 and invo all around?

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>>173597502
Starting as a Fighter with rapier, I like to put all into stealth for the first 2 dungeon levels or so, then begin training shortblades and the usual dodging/fighting/stealth in the case of octopodes too since they have like +3 or 4, right?
Chances are you'll find a decent enchanted dagger like venom or draining, or heck even a normal dagger would be fine over the rapier for stabbing.
Octo melee during early game with a shield isn't hard really, just try to avoid the usual annoyances like orc priests/gnoll packs with spears/halberds/ogres unless you can stab or isolate them.
Honestly as soon as you get Dithmenos it'll get progressively easier thanks to the huge stealth boost, the shadow double damage, lower enemy accuracy.
This doesn't really need saying but try not to get surrounded, even on Lair you can reliably tab through death yaks and shit provided you have a dagger of venom/draining/elec and take one at a time.
Hydras are pretty dangerous but with Dith you can usually stab and one shot them.

>400+ hours in ToME
>Never beat the game
>2 tries in DCSS
>Beat the game

Why do you play such a casual-friendly roguelike?

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>>173597964
>>173597964
And yes, it's nice to have a lot of stealth since umbra from Dith multiplies it. You don't really need to go overboard and because octos have good stealth aptitude it's very easy/fast to raise.
>Ranged option I'm assuming evocations up to 10 and invo all around?
Invo is nice so you can use Shadow Form when needed, but just 10~ is enough.
Evo can be nice but that depends on what wands you find such as paralyze/confusion/slow even.
For spells you want useful low level buffs or utility like Regeneration, Blink, Repel Missiles
If you have stealth to about ~14-15 it's very easy to chain stab multiple sleeping foes with Dith umbra/shadow step against foes you really want to stab

>>173598580

Because if we want to play hard roguelikes, we wouldn't pick a roguelite

>>173598580
what combo was it that you were using in DCSS

>>173597916
DELET THIS

>>173598580
never. Post your profile

>>173598793
Polearm wielding Naga worshipping Chei.

>>173598719
btw when switching Dith>Makh, how do you escape having shadow fiends dumped on your ass? Last time I remember getting tormented to shit at a stage where I had fuck all for rN

>>173598968
Shadow fiends? Shadow demons? what the fuck's a shadow fiend?

>>173598968
As I said it's better to switch when you get Statue Form castable, it reduces torment damage by 50% on top of the rN it gives.
Tzitzimitls (previous shadow fiends) are the only dangerous part of Dith's wrath but they are doable with Statue Form or just teleporting away.
I like doing Elf 1-3(But not the "boss" chamber) right after switching to Mak, it's easy piety there and the elves can't do shit against decent ac/ev/sh/repel missiles which is what you should have when you get Statue Form.

>>173599373
aaaah i see

thanks mane this is very useful, i legit wanna ascend an octobro

>D:9
>Still no temple
>Look at the map
>There's an unexplored up stair on D:8
Huh. I thought ALL disconnected dungeon shards were removed. That's why I no longer compulsively check all stairs.

Oh, well. What god would you recommend for a gnoll hybrid who can never have high skills? I thought about going Gozag after finding the Mask of the Dragon in an early shop, but then Robin dropped a pretty sweet randart helmet, and I'm not sure any more. I've found so much sweet gear my pack's already full. I wish I'd get loot like this on viable characters.

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>>173599157
DELET

>>173599487
Dithmenos stabber mostly as doggos have shit apts at high levels but dagger mindelay only needs 10, and about 10 stealth is also decent to stab a lot of shit with Dith umbra.
Gozag can be great but it's rng as fuck, however with the doggo versatility chances are you could find a decent weapon through Gozag, the jew gold daze is also great.

>>173597964

Doesn't matter. Shields and evocations are just a waste when there are better options like spells and higher tab damage/defense to make your run more convenient but that might not be the case for you.

>>173598580
ToME isn't unbeatable because Its difficult though, Its unbeatable because its so badly designed your more than likely going to get murdered from offscreen by somebody <20 your level.

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>>173600285

Thoughts on amulet of harm?

>>173600686
It is, and is supposed to be, a bad item. One of the few reasons not to wield-ID amulets until you've seen both it and faith.

>>173600686
Worse than bloat.

Replace it and rings of loudness with increased damage and the loudness effect.

>>173600686

One of the few not no-brainer equipment in the game.

>>173601131
>>173600915
>>173600753

Should have waited your response. My character almost died because of this piece of trash. Never again

>>173600686

No-brainer for Basajaunaks

>>173600095
>shields are a waste on an octopode

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Wait what.

>>173602294
It's a new unrand. It's basically what it says: flaming and freezing, rF- and rC-, and its enchantment grows with each hit.

>>173602294
On https://underhound.eu:8080/#lobby is says that you should not use crawl.lantea because it is supposed to be insecure

>>173602832
IIRC that's only for webtiles. SSH is secure.

>play Felid
>it's actually easier than anything else due to the extra lives
wew

qazlal for extended y/n

you keep talking about how good upheaval is for hellion island

>>173603449
Fuckno.

>>173603449
The only good you need in extended is Makhleb.
HP on kills is literally the strongest thing in the game for mid/late/extended and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
It's almost like you don't want to tab through hellions and whatever with an axe
Qzal on extended is "enjoy awakening every single torment and smiter in the dungeon"

I can't do it.
I can't play dredmor, it's too fucking hard, floor 1 is just ridiculous on Going Rogue difficulty when you're anything other than a melee centric warrior build.

>>173603663
To the devout, Zin provideth. From the rest ye unbelievers, ye guilty of disloyalty, Zin taketh.

>>173604087
Zin is good but it requires people to actually know what they are doing
Mak is way easier in the sense you can tab through even extended, not to mention far more versatile as he's good against literally everything and anything

>>173603691
It's tricky rather than hard.
In early game you need to dance a whole lot, while later you need to knockback and block all randuniques.
There are many terrible skill trees and you need to figure out the scaling and cooldowns to understand what is good.

>>173604193
TSO is better in extended.

>>173602268

You can have your dumb shield while I have either unlimited death scarabs or cBlink or both just because I didn't waste exp

>>173604553
TSO is arguably better for mindlessly clearing popcorn but zin is super effective
>imprison a panlord and deal with the entourage
>sanctuary actually saves your ass easily
>imprison fucking greater mummies
>endlessly reciting your way through pandemonium
>protects you from all the annoying crap hell throws at you
>actually ensures that you don't have to nobly sacrifice after you fight Mnoleg

>>173604635
>wasted exp on a skill that's barely leveled and serves only to protect your ass

fuck yeah i'll have 25 air magic instead of 24, surely that will help with my casting

>>173604890
He's insane.
The shield protects you as soon as D1, as opposed to having high as fuck spells that actually don't even matter since by the point you can cast those, there's already infinite and easy xp to get as as Octopode, especially since your aptitudes are average and thus level pretty fast.

>>173604805
I meant TSO vs Makhleb.

Zin is probably nice, but my playstyle is more about spamming cleansing flame to gain health and summoning angel bros.

>>173605154
I disagree with the idea that you "have" to start as fighter with Op, as if the other 25 roles are traps. Floorgod will provide a shield soon enough.

>>173605437
IE, Tm are pretty good Op starts.

>>173595265
>tummy posting
>anime/comic strip posters
>kutar posting
yea totally roguelikes
dumb fuck

>tfw you find out your favorite race in DCSS is considered piss easy

should I just kill myself now?
>"who cares just have fun and play it anyway"
I can't, it's ruined now.

First ever gnoll Geh rune's mine.

>>173606819
you have sinned, my son
your penance is to play 1000 mumos and watch 10 mumo vods
in the name of the dicku, the pharaoh, and the holy mummy

>>173605437
You don't have to, anon.
But fact is the medium shield makes a ton of difference in the early game where most deaths happen, and relying on rng to find one is boring.
Going the stealth + shortblades stabber route however IS way esier than anything else for octopodes, especially wih Dith

>>173606819
Gargoyles? Minotaurs?

>>173606819
Play it with the MuMo conduct.

>>173607329
Draconian

>>173607446
Not *that* level of easy. Closer to the middle ground.
And it's a good choice. Flavorful, interesting.
I know a greatdraconian player, by the way. He's totally crazy, you're not going to beat him even though he's in the military atm.

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>>173524675

I just visited my first gun store and I found it immediately

>>173606546

tummies are roguelikes anon

Dude, what the fuck.
I've just got a Pale Draconian for the first time, read up on its shit and felt pretty meh about it, but holy fucking shit this breath weapon has to be the absolute best of the lot. I'm dead fucking serious. This steam breath is just decimating everything I use it on.

>>173607724
Gunsmith is the tier 2 kit.

>>173607724
Wrong kit. GUNSMITH repair kits are a different item. They use less batteries, and there might be a couple advanced recipes that need one.
Firearm repair kits are probably about as rare, but they're craftable, so it doesn't matter that much.

>>173610064
if you ever make it to extended you're gonna love it, it blocks LOS for smiters/tormenters

Someone gonna compile the latest Infra Arcana and post it somewhere? I thought this game was on the top #10 list and /rlg/ wasn't aka "circle-jerk stone bollocks"

>>173612463
Compile it yourself.

>>173612463
>I thought this game was on the top #10 list
It is like PS4 exclusives:
It only had the amazing reputation because no one played it so no one could say it's not as good as it is said to be.

actually we're just terrible at compiling on windows
but honestly who can blame us

>he's still playing problematic eurocentric oriental mystifying culture appropriating misogyny simulators in the year that sexually identifies as 2017
how does it feel to be literal nazis

also how the fug do you play hunters that aren't large rock throwing trolls. If I conserve ammo then I feel like I'm just playing an otabber that gives up 2 extra item slots and if I use ammo I get fucked as soon as a corner death yak happens. Should I just play a tablord until I find a cool ranged artifact then switch? Do I have to put up with spriggan/centaur evoke feet optimal play autism to play hunter effectively?

>>173598580
how are you so bad at tome
i won on like the first attempt as a summoner
it's literally just "drown enemy in 12 dragons then mash 5 until ded"

>>173610064
The most important part of steambreath is not the damage but rather the clouds. They block vision so they can stop things from being able to shoot at or smite you.

Can PCB Draconians that take the metamorphosis talent still ride mounts?

>>173613953
Never tried it, but I assume either you wouldn't be able to ride or you won't be able to control your mount because you don't have any hand slots.

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>when that embroidered pair of gloves you thought were going to be dex are actually -2

>>173613296
Halfling+slings. Basically 200+ stones before Lair without Oka/Trog.

Hunters are tricky. Unless you have a lot of ammo or can shoot down everything you see, you need a close range option and you need to skill that option quite a bit. Obviously, that kind of defeats the point of the class, but them's the breaks.

But even then, training the skills isn't obvious. With my successful HaHu, I trained Slings to 12 ASAP, got my other skills high-ish, and then raced to get Slings to 27; completely ignored Stealth and Short Blades. I'm not sure that would be good for, say, a Centaur with bows, but it's something to consider.

Lads, anybody bored enough to watch me play and give me pointers on what I'm doing so horribly fucking wrong?

Does anybody here actually play DCSS or is this game just a meme

>>173613953
Wizmode sez yes
but you have 0 hands and so you get "you are using all your hands for fighting and can't control your mount"

You can be an extremely lewd ancient dragon riding on top of your own mature dragon minions, at least.

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Nice.

>>173614626
only the newbies
everyone else started hating it and quit
there are lots of people who USED to play dcss tho

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First vault i've ever cleared on Madness period, blazing rebirth is amazing.
I'm planning to take Cauterize spirit next for mass debuff removal /on madness they go crazy with it), but i have struggles against people with insane buffs like vitality and blurred mortality.
Any way to remove those buffs from enemies for a Doombringer? For now i've skipped those two rares who had haram buffs, but i'm afraid i wont be able to escape forever.

Carry the black torch!
Rouse the idle thread!

MuMo

What about it

>>173614645
aren't ancient dragons bigger than mature dragons

>>173615686
yes but then you dont get to abuse your superior ranking + power to sekkuharass your lower-ranked employees

>>173612463
>compile
>>>/g/
Honestly, whatever's preventing you from just compiling it yourself, whether it's a serious technical problem or just plain laziness, probably applies to most people here.

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>>173614450
Makes you think.

>>173614626
It isn't anywhere near as popular as it used to be but people still play it.

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>Dithmenos is okay with casting corona
why

>>173617198
flavorbloat must be removed
he only hates fire now rather than hating all sources of light

>>173614509
just post your webtiles link and people here will watch

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FUCKMIPO4JIPFJ34 FNIUENPIUGERIOFPHHGUO
Ill try not to stab people with 0 short sword and 3 stealth from now on..

>randomly typing with all caps to express anger

>trying to stab sigmund when he's got a scythe of distortion

The Nu-Crawlers, gentlemen.

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>>173619869
he was asleep and RIGHT next to a corner
you could just walk away and be out of LOS in one turn, and then place an exclusion to avoid autoexploring back

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>>173620020
Im not new, just lazy and stupid and i do learn from my mistakes though

>>173620020
How are you supposed to express anger

>>173620490
pro tip: if you see a dangerous sleeping enemy and you can't oneshot them, just walk away
yes stealth increases your stab damage but if you aren't casting hexes the MAIN benefit of stealth is being able to autoexplore into a Sigmund and then walk away again without waking him up

>>173619776
I was actually going to but (and I know this is going to sound fucking retarded considering the type of game DCSS is) I was lagging so fucking bad. Every time I'd press a key it would take like 2 seconds before it did the command.
I know I don't exactly need swift reactions to play a turn based game but I can't deal with how annoyingly slow that is. I don't know what the fuck it's doing that for.

>>173620502
You are supposed to trascend the emotion of anger after a couple of years of ascending roguelikes

guys my tonberry psion finally found enough !str to have a nonnegative number of blows
im so happy
thank mr darkelfwarlock

You're missing the point here.
the idiot was at D:2 and didn't have a single point in his main weapon skill.

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>>173620915
shit forgot img

>>173620882
But what if I never ascended

>>173620327
I could have just spammed stone arrow/sand blast at him and he would die easy but thats easy

>>173620773
I know how the game works, i have won several times but i never played SpEE and im too used tp SpAs/SpEn regarding stabbing so its a fault either way

>>173620773
Also thx anon, youre so kind trying to help

>He plays true kin

>he plays caves of cuck

>>173621672
>game has really cool + fun mutation system
>durr i want to play the race that gets 0 mutations ever in exchange for just having higher stats and better starting equipment
i literally dont understand why anyone would pick truekin ever
i guess they are stronger in the earlygame so if youre so badatgames you have trouble getting past rustwells you can just bulldoze through it with good starting gear

>>173621845
Jokes on you, I play Vanilla Bagel.

What's the probability of a random ring found in the dungeon to be a +6 ring of evasion

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For reference, this is what Ina's cloak does: cold, disintegration and sickness resistance, searching, hunger and random fainting when worn, autocurses.

>>173620502

peeeench the tum

>he plays cuckaclysm dda

>>173622918
Amy why don't you answer my calls

>>173622025
Fucking jew get out

>you will never cure amy's gayness with your +8 dick of penetration

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>>173623647
>moving the world further towards the evils of het

>>173623840
is this what autismhack does to people

>tfw hornet paralyzes you on the first hit

>tfw Ijub spawns with a wand of acid of hasting that doublehits you as you climb up the stairs

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Time to make worst monster in the game.

>>173624457
i'm flattered my dick left such a good impression on you

>tfw you pray while on gehennom

>>173624457
Isn't this basically a green version of the space-time wyrm? I guess it resists tele, though.

>>173624457
You need to make a great wyrm of time with inertia/time/hasteself and a great wyrm of space with nexus/gravity/blink

so you have time/space/space-time to match with chaos/law/balance

>the ogre is wielding a GSC of reaching
>the 8 headed hydra is next to and awake you when you go down
>crimson imp with a wand of fire
>D:3 centaur
>gnoll with enchanted halberd right next to the spawn
> stupidly strong ghosts staircamping the first level of [branch]
>fast monsters with weapons of distortion
>fast monsters with weapons of chaos
>random trash mob with wand of magic darts next to the altar of vehumet
>D:1 adder
>Shock serpent/anaconda next to snake staircase
>empty level with beehive
>sewer with alligator

I think that's it.

>>173625334
dont forget

>duvessa vaults

>>173625624
>D:5 deep elf fighter
How could I?

>>173624746
Kinda weaker I think. It cast spells less frequently, loses 100 hp or so, breathe nexus/gravity, teleports.
However, in turn, it is invisible, bit faster, gets disintegration-breath, has more compact spell-list and has bit stronger melee.
Plus it is much rarer ( rarity 6 vs rarity 12 ).

>>173623124
Maybe you'd need to be a sexy woman like Femmy.

Which roguelikes lets me be a nigger

It turns out that vine stalker wanderer using polearms and staves is not the best build you can go with

>>173622854
Just glancing at makeitem.cc, but it's very low.

Already a 50/1960 chance of just finding a jewelry item. After that, 3/4 chance of it being a ring, and a 1/21 chance it'll be evasion. Then a 4/5 chance that it'll be good instead of bad+cursed, and then a 2/45 chance to specifically get a 1+5 = 6 plus sign.

So, a random ring found might be a +6 ring of evasion 0.1693% of the time.

stop talking about DCSS it sucks and is not a real roguelike

What's the PCB meme combo of the week?

>>173626820
Agreed. Darkest Dungeon is a much better roguelike.

>>173627101
the Uninstall Wizard

>>173627101
shit i think we stopped doing those because literally nobody participated

i have an android samurai from the last one on dl99 in 5.0.5
i've been playing 6.0.0 instead tho

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I just want to win

What are we splatting tonight, /rlg/ ?

>find a glowing pin (4) in the middle of the road
>irradiates when carried and activates to create blood on the ground
T-thanks

>>173626820

It may not be a real roguelike but it's still more of a roguelike than most roguelites posted here. Do you want me to directly link literal roguelite posts like >>173597729 and >>173607724 before you understand?

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This fucking -int man, fuck

>>173627614
im a 0.18 blow tonberry psion >>173621134

MuMo

/rlg/ pls stop meming for a minute because im feeling sad because i can't win dcss, thanks.

>>173628565
MiBe

>>173628565
have you ever walked away from anything in your life
because realising you can do that instead of holding tab is ~80% of what's required for a first dcss win

>>173628759
yes but most of the things that kill me are faster than me.
for example, i ran into a hellhound miles away from any stairs on dungeon level 5 with no teleport scrolls (literally hadn't found any) and it just stuck to my ass and wouldn't fuck off.

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Another upsetting dragon.

These are bit rarer monsters, but frankly, there are so many dragons to begin with. Maybe I won't push these.

>>173626812
gotta rack up those mumo splats then.

>>173629274
>level 50
>doesn't resist teleport

its been a while since ive played Cataclysm
are throwing grenades and the like still broken

played a stealth/throwing based character last time
headshotting zombies/bandits with throwing knives from 20 tiles away was pretty fun, (the moral hit for killing "innocent" bandits before they notice you was dumb, also helmets are annoying since you cant aim at unprotected parts)

but throwing emp grenades at robots had them land too close to me all the time wasting a lot of them.

Every time I hear a distant slurping noise
I die a little
Every time I hear a distant slurping noise
I wonder why a little
There's no sound
Why the RNG above me, who must be in the know
Think so little of me, they allow you to slurp

>>173629092
>Get to lair
>Barely any corridors
>50 different enemies bolting for your ass at once

I don't get how people deal with this shit

>>173627614
Currently playing vanilla Angband. After a couple of runs of not really getting the game, I'm having a lot more fun.

>>173631852
by not acting like a complete retard.
God, I don't get how you guys lack the mental ability to work out that stairs are a thing

Found a pair of boots that give me int-3 but slay+5 and a pair of boots of running on a formicid. Do I take the slay or running? I have no other sources of slaying

>>173632397
I don't see what stair kiting is going to do to things not near the stairs.

>>173631852
>see enemy
>do NOT walk towards it and reveal even more unexplored terrain with unrevealed enemies
>walk slightly back into explored area so noise won't carry so far
>fight the thing there
>then go forward again
dcss may look like a dungeon crawler but the correct way to play it is by treating it like a shitty mmo and carefully pulling aggro from one enemy at a time

>>173632508
Slaying is entirely optional. It's just extra enchantment, nothing actually needed.

Boots of running are rare as fuck and a god-tier item for every single race.

>>173632508
as a formicid you have no way to escape from shit other than shafting yourself or walking away, so the boots of running are even more valuable than they would be for another race

>>173632643
you shout until things get near the stairs you mouthbreathing inbred chimp

I just had a strange thought.

Is DCSS, dare I say it, actually easy?

>>173632643
if it isn't a spiny frog or black mamba you can just walk away to the stairs
if it IS a spiny frog or black mamba you still might be able to walk to stairs depending on how far you are

>>173632996
You can shout?

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I wonder if it's possible to go so fast you get frostbite.

Currently at -101 warmth on the mouth.

>>173633067
yes

the reason anyone dies in DCSS is because suddenly their armor rolls low and they take huge damage, or they get bored of tabbinghtrough 10,000 harmless enemies and by the time they need to use an escape item they're too burnt out to care and do something stupid instead

>>173633137
Press t twice

>>173633137
"tt"

It's pretty much required to do Zot:5 without shitting your pants and dying.

>>173633137
>>173632643

I think this guy is a minotaur irl

>>173620502
a rogueliker never uses caps unless it's a command.

>>173633203
but how comes there are people with over 5000 games who never won then? shouldn't they have the experience?

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>>173632693
nice try game but i'm a formicid

>>173633362
most people on this planet are literal retards anon
the kind of people who call their nephew for tech support because "the google machine isn't working and no of course i didn't just read the words in that error message that popped up, reading is too hard"
the kind of people who only ever fight by pressing tab and complain in /rlg/ that unseen horrors are unkillable because tab won't target invisible enemies
the kind who run into a sleeping sigmund on d2 and decide to immediately punch him in the face
the kind who find themselves and low hp and decide that they need to start pushing tab HARDER and FASTER rather than stopping to take a look at their inventory and maybe use a consumable or god power
the kind who die with 10 blink scrolls in their inventory
the kind who refuse to carry teleport level because it would give them 1 fewer inventory slot for shitty randarts to shove into their museum

>>173633362
only 4600 mumos anon.

>>173633362
because some people don't learn from their mistakes. some people can say 'that monster got lucky' a billion times without it ever clicking that you have to make your own luck.

some people are fucking retarded

>>173630445
I'm thinking about getting back into Cata myself

>>173633949
>clicking
TRIGGERED

>>173633784
Wait a minute now,

Whatcha saying is...

Berserking at low HP ain't smart?
I don't have to fight every enemy on the floor?
It's not necessary to reveal every inch of the dungeon?


Fuck outta here.

>>173634468
>It's not necessary to reveal every inch of the dungeon?
That's actually necessary. But hey, 2/3 isn't so bad.

>>173634680
In general you ought to fully explore dungeon levels in crawl unless you're speedrunning.
But if there are dangerous things that you have already literallywalkaway'd on the level, it may be worth it to just leave rather than insisting on fully exploring.

>>173633067
It's not-terribly-difficult when you learn the things you absolutely shouldn't do, understand the basic tips, and know how to apply advanced techniques.

It's actually easy with easy races, combined with the above stuff.

Tons of the people with 5000 games played and no wins also refuse to use "easy characters" or, in the case of Crawl, refuse to have their first win be a 3-runer. All that while ignoring the fact that actually winning will be a much better learning experience than banging your head against your keyboard literally thousands upon thousands of times...

What the fuck do i actually train as EE? Just earth magic?

>>173635051
Shut up faggot, this 6 rune DsAK run is going to be the one.

Can someone give me the rundown on maulers?

Someone said they were ruined in previous versions.

reminder there's more than a guy that played crawl once and won the first time just by asking /rlg/ for tips without even playing a mibe

>>173635674
>ruined
I don't think so?
They were increased from 1.75 blows to 3.00 though, with a corresponding decrease in their weight-based damage bonuses to keep dps about equal. It's a shame because beforehand you could wear a cloak of retaliation and deal 2x your normal damage per round just by pressing 5 while some monster hits you and gets retaliated at 4 times.

>>173635141
reroll as FE. EE's have been absolute shit ever since they removed Stoneskin, which was the only thing keeping their shitty squishy inaccurate ass alive.

why are all roguelikes objectively dogshit besides dcss?
>inb4 anal pained contrarian fuccbois sperg out at me because they can't handle this fact

>>173635141
Every other elementalist has something that will carry them up to and until Lair, Earth doesn't. Your strongest spell is LRD, and that doesn't really take off until fairly higher levels of Earth magic (and its use in Lair entirely depends on the layout - and considering lair is mostly a big rectangle with plenty of open spaces, you're forced to rely on shitty Stone Arrow). You want to skill Conjurations primarily, with Earth on the side and hope you get a bolt book or Iron Shot (or worship Shithumet) in or by the end of Lair, or you're gonna hit a brick wall by Orc once Orc Knights roll in.

>your surroundings flicker for a moment!
That's got to be the first time in years I've teleported exactly where I was before
I didn't think it was actually possible

Talk about rare messages

>>173637795
i once teleported right next to Gloorx Vloq who immediately farted out like five executioners and tormented me to death before the next tele scroll wore off. Appreciate shitty teleports.

So is Caves of Qud good or not

>>173638317
It's great, but it's literally not finished.

>>173638067
Someone managed to telefrag a panlord.

>>173635141

Who knows? Just remember that EE is the strongest caster background.

https://underhound.eu:8080/#watch-Nek

Come watch me and tell me what I do wrong when I inevitably die on the 2nd/3rd floor.

>>173638317
If you can get it for less than 7 dollars it's worth it.

>>173633362
Hubris, boredom, and simple refusal to learn from one's mistakes.
About half my deaths in Crawl are because I blithely tab into an enemy I know to be dangerous, not because I'm convinced I can take it, but because I've lost all desire to live and yet lack the courage to Ctrl-Q.

>>173638996
youre level 3 nigga learn some spells from your spellbook

>>173638996
and also fuck you read unid scrolls on fully explored levels
the benefit of ?mapping is almost 0 but the danger of ?tele or ?noise on an unexplored level is high

>>173639461
You can always stand on the stairs and when you read a tp, just walk up

>>173639675
yes but the same does not apply to noise

more importantly
JESUS CHRIST does this kid know that spells other than magic dart even exist
searing ray is so good

on the bright side he knows how to walk away from uniques and just abused a staircase at Blork, so he's already smarter than 75% of crawl players

>>173639814
Doesnt matter, alerting half the floor and moving to a different staircase then is irrelevant and easy to do

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>>173637495
Well i just cleared lair, didnt get anything other than book of sky and a staff of energy

>>173638996
good think you MEMORIZED DAZZLING SPRAY so you could use spells from your spellbook do disable this ogre while you walked away
also good thing you stood perfectly still and repeatedly cast the weakest spell in your book while giving him time to close to melee range instead of just walking away and using the stairs before he got in clubrange

>>173640050
>8 rapier of pain
do you have access to any necro books nigga that is a good-ass weapon
learn regen and aniskel or something and become the master of tabbing

>>173640141
>dazzling spray
>not Tukima's Dance
Beating ogres to death with their own giant clubs is so fun it will probably be removed soon.
Unless he had some other spellbook.

>>173640141
Stairs up weren't clear either though because it was too dangerous with the unique + ghost
I usually don't like learning spells until i see what color draco i get. Eh.

>>173640427
he was a conj who put 0 points in spc and never cast anything other than magic dart until he splatted to oger on D5

>>173640427
minmay hates giant clubs so expect them to go out first

>>173640524
it was still better than being in melee range of an alive fullhp ogre anon

>>173640427
>tukima's dance used to have a spellpower bonus and have 90%+ success rate when confuse was only 60-75
it used to be so beautiful
why did they have to kill it

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I've done it, /rlg/
First ever 15-rune gnoll.

>>173640141
dazzling spray is fucking garbage though

>>173640369
I know its good and i just looked at my spells and saw i have animate skeleton heh, didnt even notice at first
Ill just slowly turn this into a stabber then mostlikely and hope i get shatter or maybe go for air since i have access to tornado, idk

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>>173640898
>BuT

>>173616598
I'm pretty sure that's from Unsounded, if you're wondering.

>>173640965
Butch!

>>173640904
dazzling spray is okay for blinding things so you can literallywalkaway
of course just not being in melee range of an ogre in the first place is a much better option, but if you are a badplayer and make dumb mistakes dazzlespray can help get you back out of clubbing range

>>173640898
FeAr MiNe HOMo BuCK KoCK, BaBe

>>173640898
https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/casual/morgue-casual-20170410-224816.txt

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>>173640898

Is there any rl where I can play as a rl player?

>>173642897
irl

>People doing 15 rune runs in ~7 hours
>Takes me an hour just to make it to lair

am i thinking too much?

>>173644865
I have the same problem. or I'll stop and rest after literally every monster encounter, so my turncount is 1 gazallion

Come watch me splay counteless OpTm of Chei

>>173645589
splat*
Well I'm retarded, forgot the link
https://underhound.eu:8080/#watch-Ordine

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>>173623109
What are you gonna do about it

>>173623109
There is quite literally no other game like it

>>173646268
Whales Cata is a lot like it.

>>173646635
Cataclysm 2 is dead and DDA has everything Cataclysm already had.

how do i play PCB

>>173646912
step 1 grind
step 2 kill Oberon
step 3 kill J

are there any jap roguelikes besides elona?

>>173642897
Omega.

>>173647346
there's ton
one way heroics is posted here sometimes
uh, maidensnow eve?

most nip rl's are on consoles though:
literally everything with "shiren" or "mystery dungeon" in its name
oppai labyrinth or whatever the fuck it's called
the touhou tummy roguelike "genso wanderer"

oh yeah and hengband

Is there a point to using Blade Hands when you got Statue Form castable as a fragile race like 'podes or Felids?

>>173647945
Only if you can't fly and are about to get shattered.

will there ever be another roguelike as good as elona+?

>>173650234
noxico

>>173650234
>Grindona
>Good

>>173650914
its so comfy and i love being able to place my own buildings and staff them on the overworld

dont worry guys, i'm working on my game right now to take the best elements of elona+ and merge them with dcss and then take add the ease of use of ToME controls

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>>173651148

>>173650234
DDA

>>173652421
i dont like ascii based roguelikes

its like watching loli pedophile animes, you don't want someone to see you playing that shit

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>>173652867
>playing DDA with ascii instead of tiles

>>173652867
Normies think ascii roguelikes means you must be like some computer archwizard, though.

>>173653052
>playing DDA with tiles

>>173652867
The only game I play with tiles is DCSS.

>>173653096
anon, w-why are you hacking that computer?

>>173653245
>playing DDA

>>173654424
Nothing wrong with DDA

>>173654364
i have to get the files dude
the files

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>>173652867
What about roguelikes with loli pedophile anime graphics?

Roguelikes

>>173658294
Tummies!

>The Destroyer

fffffffuuuuuuuuccccccccckkkkkkkkk

>>173656113
tiddies too big for loli

>>173659124
>doesn't resist tele
destroyer is only annoying if there's a vault you want on the level because he will keep tunneling back to you

if there isn't any tantalising loot you can just -TO him and recall out before he gets back.

>>173612749
Instructions are still vague even after downloading CMake and codeblocks.

>>173659604
fuck i could have sworn he was immune

don't know how i missed that

Alright playing again the same shit
Ordine on underhound

>>173659487
What kind of game do you think this is? You can obviously adjust tiddy size. You just need to reach the church.

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>>173612749

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>>173626460

>>173659764
Not my problem you fucking Winblow$ user.

There used to be a really easy way to crosscompile for windows on linux, but when IADev switched to CMake he got rid of it and I'm not sure how he compiles for windows any more.

>>173664520
The solution is to install gentoo.

>>173665186
Yeah, those were the days. Now you've got to install and learn entire operating systems to compile a single fuckin game.

>>173656113
ROLAND IS NOT FOR SEXUAL

>>173667403
Unless you're bad.

>>173667403
i will just go ahead and nonsexually get raped by goblins and get nonsexually pregnant and then give nonsexual birth and get a nonsexual permanent buff inscribed on the inside of my nonsexual womb

>>173667515
How did you know what I did last summer?

>>173634934
Yeah but then you come back 5 levels later and clear the floor

>>173668093
i was the goblin

>>173667515
Anon none of those things are meant to happen. In fact it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that the whole point of the game is to prevent any of those things from happening.

>>173670145
you don't die when you fug a goblin once though
you die when you fug a goblin like 5 times and your vitality hits 0%

i mean there's a good chance that the game was designed with the strategy of intentionally losing to monsters so you can see your crusader get fugged by them in mind

>>173671187
The game does reward you for remaining a virgin though. It seems pretty likely that pregnancy/inscription stuff is more like the game giving you a leg up for actually surviving the massive disadvantages of pregnancy and/or the very high risk in being fucked, since if a single summoner walks in on you in the act you can lose right then and there.

>>173671187
>>173671471
It's not like VH where there's actual quests that require getting fucked and giving birth and/or collecting semen samples, at least.

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...what does vh stand for

>>173671648
Video Home (System)

>>173671648
Violated heroine

>>173671648
if a VN is a visual novel, then a VH is a ....

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It's like I'm really playing Poschengband again.

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>>173667403
Fortunately, anal doesn't count.

>>173664838
Can you not

>>173673240
Such bloat. The game should start automatically deleting items that are a direct downgrade from what you're wearing. You know, to remove all the bloat from the floors.

>uses the arrow keys
>holds them down to move

ask me anything, /rlg/

>>173674385
Most games have run commands, you should try them

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>playing adom
>go to put on ring
>"not without gauntlets"

who came up with shit like this? nethack is a plague on the genre.

>>173674314
There seriously should be a "ignore_orc_no_ego" option to deal with all its crap. It's basically unbearable with it being just 2 floors.

At least they changed the search menu to flatten uninteresting items.

>>173626460
Cataclysm:DDA has a few options.
Convict, scoundrel, gangster and burglar are all good starting professions. Take low INT, and however many racist traits you want. The obvious ones would be illiterate, ugly, terrifying, skilled liar, psychopath, fleet-footed and cannibal, but feel free to pick others if you think they fit the theme.
You might also consider increasing city size and NPC spawn rate, to better pretend you're trying to survive in contemporary Detroit.

>>173675925
>Cataclysm with increased city size and NPC spawn rate
That's literally just Detroit but with less wildlife roaming the streets

>>173675417
wouldn't gauntlets interfere with the magical power of the ring? wouldn't gauntlets make the finger too big for the ring? what the fuck shit game is this?

>>173675925
>Convict, scoundrel, gangster and burglar
and crackhead and basketball player.

>>173674385
Have you ever won a roguelike? (dcss doesn't count)

I am about to go to ZoT for the first time in my life. Any noob traps in there I should particularly watch out for as a Berserker?

>>173676201
it just means that you have to take off your gauntlets before putting on a ring you silly billy.

>>173676628
read mapping and dive every floor, teleport repeatedly until you land in the orb vault then zerkwaltz out

>>173676628
>read mapping and dive every floor,
do this
>teleport repeatedly until you land in the orb vault then zerkwaltz out
do not do this

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>>173627938

No sign of life of Dicku
In floods of tears we cried

All hope's lost it can't be undone
He's wasted and gone

Save me your speeches
I know (He charmed us all)

What we want
You will take it away from me

Take it and I know for sure
The light he once brought in
Is gone forevermore

Like sorrowful seagulls they sang
We're lost in the shitpost
The summer cloud brought
(A wailing when the spaniard was gone
Come take a look at the thread)

"Ded" posts covered the shore
Fearful into the unknown
Quietly it crept in new roguelites
Insanity reigned
And spilled the first blood
When the old thread was slain

Tum-Tum
Quietly crept in and changed us all
Shitpost
Quietly crept in and changed us all
/rlg/
Immortal thread lies down in agony

How long shall we
Mourn in the dark

the bliss and the beauty
Will not return

Say farewell to sadness and grief
Though long and hard the road may be

But even in silence I heard the words
"Cblink is bloat"

By the name of the gargoyle one
Until the thread's end
It can't be stopped

Just wondering how
I can still see these posts inside

The doom of the Aralgeeans drew near

The words of a banished king
"We're getting that Orb"
Filled with anger aflamed our hearts

Full of hate
full of Edain pride
How we screamed for revenge

MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Immortal king, endures the agony

"Come hell or high water" that's what you said
Then your oath's been sworn in vain

(But) freely you came and
You freely shall depart

Always trust the spanish winds
Never turn your back on friends

"Oh I'm heir of the high lord!"
"You better don't trust silk"

The enemy of mine
Isn't he of your kind and
Finally you may follow me

"Hope you had a good summer"
He said

MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Immortal king, endures the agony

Just fucking kill yourself already.

>>173676725
the quote is "not without gauntlets"
literally stating that you need gauntlets to wear the ring and you can't wear the ring without them
implying that you're wearing the ring on top of the gauntlets, because if it could be worn in direct contact with the skin, why would you need gauntlets to do so
you goofy gary

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>>173676973

Tough titty said the felid
>>173676994
Anon, I've played adom to death and I can tell you that you just need to take off the gauntlets to put on rings, then you can wear them again.

>>173677091
I've never played ADOM so I don't know but >>173675417 says
>go to put on ring
>not without [sic] gauntlets
so he tried wearing the ring without [sic] gauntlets, and the game refused

>>173676887
you are supposed to pog out, silly billy

>>173677257
Then either anon is an idiot who can't into sequential reasoning because that's just not how it works

>>173676891
this is the greatest autism i read in a while

>>173677263
>zerkwaltz out
>you're supposed to pog out
Retard.

>>173676994
were you a mist elf?
their delicate elv skin can't deal with direct contact with nonmagical metals, so if the ring wasn't mithril/adamant/eternium you'd need to put it on over top of your gauntlets

i'm pretty sure normal races can wear rings underneath their gauntlets just fine though
heck, cursed gauntlets can even prevent you from removing rings that are worn underneath them, can't they?

>>173677375
limp elven wrists *can* wear iron rings, they just get 1 damage every turn they do so
The game allows it though since you can take a feat that lets you ignore 1 point of damage each turn

>>173676628
Orbs
of
Fire

You *need* rF++ at bare minimum because they will rape your face off with their fire magic. And you should make it a practice to press A to check for mutations, since they'll malmutate you. Depending on the version you're playing, you're just going to have to accept a lot of the mutations you get -- but teleportitis ("You are ... teleported next to monsters") and berserkitis ("You lose your temper in combat" or "You have an uncontrollable temper") need to be cured ASAP.

As a berserker, your antimagic weapons (hopefully Trog has gifted you some) will be a godsend against Orbs of Fire and ancient Liches.

You should be careful of Curse Toes, which are usually the only torment users you might find in a 3-rune game (besides tier-1 demons and Pan Lords on the Orb run itself). Curse Toes can be nasty the first time you see them.

Zot itself can be handled many different ways. You can read mapping scrolls every floor; you can clear out the entire branch as you might any other place. You can focus on clearing out the fastest path from Zot:5 to Depths and ignore every other part of Zot.

Regardless, Zot:5 should be handled with care, especially as a newb. If you have a wand of digging, try to create a safe hallway to fight outside the large Orb vault -- you'll have to lead enemies out, since the vault is entirely stone. Whether you use a tunnel or not, shouting will be key to not getting overwhelmed: shout near one side of the vault, back away, and engage enemies safely. If there are permanent teleport traps by the entrances, it's not a terrible idea to re-explore the non-vault areas of Zot:5 to be sure your backside is safe. That raises another important point:

Even if you don't clear out all of Zot, you should *definitely* clear out all of Zot:5. Clear the non-vault areas, then slowly take on the Orb vault.

But that's getting ahead of things. Try to not to get gangraped by Draconians. And ***do not ignore moths of wrath***.

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>tfw you accidentally type 'without' gauntlets
>tfw you were just talking about how it's irritating and nethacky to have to take your gloves off to change rings

>>173678336
nethack4 fixes that by auto-removing the pieces of clothing in the way, but a shitton of forks don't.
You get used to it in the long run but it's really annoying.

>>173678514
Muh realism!
It doesn't make sense to put on rings on gauntlets!

>>173678769
They're magic rings. They change size to fit the user. You didn't think all your characters had the same size fingers, did you?
The actual problem is that rings lack malevolent intelligence of their own, and won't randomly slip off your finger.

>>173678981
>The actual problem is that rings lack malevolent intelligence of their own, and won't randomly slip off your finger.
You should write a roguelike and be second the Amy.

Is there an updates allowbuild unlock pasta that includes the DLC stuff?

>>173679572
For Tome 4 I mean.

>DLC
don't make me say it

>>173679040
Time to implement sapient weapons/rings for R.

Dicku Longed (for) Constantly

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>>173680304

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>>173680304
here's another

>>173680035
Don't worry, I got it for free.

>>173680343
>>173680467
>you will never receive another of dicku's long thick mumo vods in your gaping hole of a life while he whispers sweet-nothings about tactics into your ears

Surely if another pharaoh gathers the six runes of legend we will be able to summon him

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>Sonja with wand of paralysis and distortion short swords
Taking bets on how many hits it's going to take her to abyss me

>>173683575
2

>>173683672
All bets are off for the moment, sorry. I managed to get away due to a lucky distro-blink.

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Everything's going rather fine at the moment

Found early AC, a ring of RF, a double dex statup at level 5 and level 10 (!!!) and a shield right before lair.

What I'm missing now is a ring of Sinv, which I might be able to grab in orc if I'm lucky, and to find shoals+ snake or shoals+spider even, since Swamp is not a viable rune for a <xl20 mumo.
Oh also I have to stay away from Sonja and Gastronok is awake on the first level of lair, which are both really horrible things.

>>173678514
SLEX very recently made it so that you can wear rings, shirts and similar stuff without having to take off the item that would go "above" it!

But heaven help you if it turns out to be an item you didn't want to wear and the one on top of it happens to be cursed.

>>173684308
grat
dont forget those apple bites for surviving

>>173684308
also if you don't want your apple or whatever to brown instantly after biting, cut into slices and dip in lemon juice

>>173685741
>>173685825
Great advice.

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>>173685741
>>173685825
Thanks for the tips!

>>173686243
HARAM

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>>173686279
possibly the harammest item in mumo

>>173627362
I refuse to participate so long as the contest requires that I place PCB you masochistic madmen.

>Guy with 1k games
>Not a single win

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>Swamp & Spider

>>173687427
inb4 lerny

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>>173687427
>Shoals & Snake

>>173687889
>doggo prepares to attack

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>>173687889
>Shoals & Snake