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Behead those who insult Li Li Edition

>What's new?
HEROES OF THE STORM 2.0!
https://youtu.be/YpNkFA7gAHI
>Cassia, D2 Amazon (Now Live)
https://youtu.be/NZkdtQ1fOZY
>Hero Mastery Taunts
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20638785
https://youtu.be/RAEDd4nES_M
>2.0 Beta Patch Notes
https://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20638783
>Veterans get some good loot when 2.0 drops
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20653218

>For new players:
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE
>Which heroes should I buy?
Play all the heroes on free rotation or try mode and see who you like. Don't buy heroes just to get into ranked, you'll regret it.

>Current Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20638786
>Current Weekly Brawl
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20673819
>Latest Patch Notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20673818


Hero Rankings, various Statistics, Talent Calculator:
http://www.hotslogs.com/Default
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator

>Current Tier List
http://www.robogrub.com/tierlist

>Where do I find you Plate of the Whale pickers?
"/join /vg/" in game chat

>Tips and other useful resources:
http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Heroes_of_the_Storm_Wiki


Previous meme: >>173251514
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When's 2.0?
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My waifu!
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>>173480840

Release timeline for the next month

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes20/
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>>173480906
>every 4 weeks instead of every 3 weeks
screencap this
also tyrande has the best butt
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Against all odds, two people from different countries and cultures were able to find each other and create a love story for the ages. I've been playing Blizzard games since WC3 came out in 2002. Never thought I'd find the most amazing and beautiful woman on the planet on bnet but it happened!
In Feb 2016 I played a HL game (as KT) and one of my teammates was a Malf named Venus1812. Just happened to add her to my friends list after the game, didn't even know she was a girl!
We played more games together and started chatting. We even lived in different countries so we didn't really have expectations besides just being friendly at first. As time passed and we played together and talked more often, we both started to feel real chemistry between us. We then took our conversation offline, talking for hours on Skype/Whatsapp every night until finally..
We finally met for the first time last summer and our relationship just took off from there. We visited each other every month or so for the next several months until she moved here a few months ago.
We got married last week! I just feel like the happiest, luckiest guy in the world.
Even though you didn't want this on your own forums, thank you Blizzard for making such great games and making something like this possible. We never would have found each other if it wasn't for you.
-SadJetsFan and Venus1812
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>>173480974
fuck off reddit
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>>173480873
Heres a better one

On another note, if you click prime evil diablo enough she adpots a womens voice and screams for help, its pretty fucked up yet kinda cute
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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
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You're walking into botlane with your minions when this mother fucker comes down and ults your minions on the ass. What do?
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>>173480906
>17th
>it's currently the 9th
>Cassia feels like yesterday

Time flies.

is it Genji or is he the one after
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>>173480974
I can't believe someone managed to fit in so much cringe in one post. It's like cringe poetry. This is art. Future generations will be studying this and cringing as hard, if not harder.
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>>173481891
How does he ult them on the ass, when Lava Wave always swallows them from front
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>>173480974
>Venus1812
>didn't even know she was a girl
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>>173481978
All your minions turn around and let it go right up their ass
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>>173481960

>new map
>new event
>launch event
>nexus challenge 2.0

it's genji
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>>173482450
Damn it.
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Is Varian the only viable hero to soloq in QM with?

Since he counts as an assassin sometimes the enemy team won;t have a tank. So you can just spec taunt and pewpew
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when's challenge 2.0?
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>>173482986
see >>173480906
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>>173481891
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So my only 10k heroes are lucio and artanis. Just got 10k and about to buy probius, please convince me to not do that...
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>>173480906
>>173482450
>>173482986

Who will be in 5-fre-heroes haul this time? I'm hoping for Rag, Gul'dan and Morales, since they're all 10k and I would hate to get them in a box later, instead of delicious 400 shards
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>>173483572
Somehow I doubt they'll give away that many Heroes again.

Wouldn't mind Valeera, though, or any other 10k Hero
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>>173480974

What happened in 1812?
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>>173483572
idk but im gonna kirr myself if its heroes i already have.
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Why isn't there an Omnic Probius skin for 2.0?
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>>173482946

Most brawlers are pretty QM viable.

>go Sonya, don't need a support nor a merc taker
>go Artanis, can 1v1 most heros and have some clutch pulls/ults
>go Zarya, watch the enemy team fail to kill anything thanks to your bubbles, get full charge and melt assasins without supports
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>>173484625
Still too new.
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>>173484540
last Nexus challenge was half heroes I already had and half heroes I despise and have no interest in playing ever

At least the mount was decent, even if a bit on the edge side
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EotS battleground when?
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>>173485842
>we finally get a wow map
>it's Ashran
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MAIEV WHEM?!
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>>173485842
Would that work?
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>>173487006
When Blizzard buys Ubisoft.
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>>173480613
asking again from last thread
what do I do to prep for 2.0? do I need to save my golds or should I spend them on heroes? is it a bad idea to play the game before 2.0 comes out?
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>>173487153
The layout would
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>>173487403
buy 10k hereos duplicates of them in chests give like 400 shards
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>>173487403
Uh, looks like it'd be best to wait until the 25th of April here to see if they're giving out free Heroes with the Nexus Challenge 2.0

after that>>173487538

Until then, just clear out dailies. Brawl, too.
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>>173487735
is brawl still forcing people to play people 1v1? I mean, 1 player + 4 bots vs 1 player + 4 bots?
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Where's my Lady Hanzo Tyrande skin?
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>>173484540
Don't they give you at least some coins or something if you already had them?
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>>173489850
They didn't for the last Nexus Challenge, unless I'm mistaken.

Perhaps it'll be different this time around with the new loot system, though.
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>>173480958
there are actually people who think she doesn't
i don't understand
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>>173480613
Li Li is a shit.
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>>173480958
>>173492358

For now anons. For now.
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>>173480613
This is going to be a comfy thread, I can tell
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Am I retarded? Didn't know people could target me in stealth and just shit out an auto attack to break it. Just had a game a bit ago where a naz turned around and hit me once with an auto attack and broke my val's stealth. There wasn't anything nearby to give him vision either. Did they add some bs that allows people to do that?
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>>173494090
You can tell when you've been spotted if there's an eye icon.

If you claim there wasn't, post the replay then.
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>see someone on my team with 20 yuro skin
>oh wow he must be really good at that hero if he spent so much money, that means he plays it alot, nice
>he is so bad at the hero it seems like if he never even played it in the TRY mode or at all
literally how? how do you spend 20 yuros on a skin and be worse than beginner AI?
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>>173493814
Why do you like Lili, anon?
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>>173494151
I can't right now because I left for work, but I'll check it out when I get home in about 12 hours and see about posting it in thread if it's as fishy as it seemed. There was no eye over my head.
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>>173494373
What the fuck is a yuro? Some kind of African currency?
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>>173494431
Yeah it should be interesting to see what could cause that
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>>173494431
>I can't right now because I left for work
Way to rub it in Bro
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>>173494373
>Yuro
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>>173480974
yall are gonna laugh at shit like this but fact is, hes got a girl and you dont
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>>173494373
>literally how? how do you spend 20 yuros on a skin and be worse than beginner AI?
disposable income?
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I need healing
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>>173494373
>yuro
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>>173484445
You made me laugh so hard I got curious, and this is all I could find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS7uz-CnK4Q

Maybe Madison was her favorite president or something? Fuck, what a mystery.
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>>173484445
She was born obviously.
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i remember filling out a heroes of the dorm roster challenge or something

it was obvious arlington was going to win because of kure

question is, i cant remember the rewards. what do i get?
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probius, cassia or valeera?
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>>173496387
kel'thuzad
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>>173495935
portrait and if you manage top 100 or something the cheerigan bundle for free.
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>>173496460
>portrait
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>>173494497
It's slang for the euro currency you fucking rural villager
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>we actually somehow won this
>our probe didn't even know what the fuck he was doing and even missed his own warp rifts
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>>173496891
that guy was legitimately slightly more useful to the team than you
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>>173496580
>eurocuck
>calling others rural villagers
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>>173496970
>burger
>has to take out 3 mortgages when he gets a cold to pay for his medical bills
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>>173497031
>for getting shot by a nigger for being white
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>>173497031
lol you mean

>has to start a gofundme
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>want to buy boost for one week for 4€
>after i bought it i see a bundle with 8 heroes i dont own + a week boost for 3,74€
I hate everything. Does it stack if i buy that too?
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>>173497736
6 Heroes i mean, had 2 already.
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>Keep making auto-attack heroes
>Follow up with another hero that flat out fucks over AA heroes
>Repeat cycle

Jesus christ, Cassia never had a fucking chance.
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>>173497802
It doesn't stack, it prolongs, so you're sitting on a two week booster.
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Thank you, Blizzard!

Against all odds, two people from different countries and cultures were able to find each other and create a love story for the ages. I've been playing Blizzard games since WC3 came out in 2002. Never thought I'd find the most amazing and beautiful woman on the planet on bnet but it happened!

In Feb 2016 I played a HL game (as KT) and one of my teammates was a Malf named Venus1812. Just happened to add her to my friends list after the game, didn't even know she was a girl!

We played more games together and started chatting. We even lived in different countries so we didn't really have expectations besides just being friendly at first. As time passed and we played together and talked more often, we both started to feel real chemistry between us. We then took our conversation offline, talking for hours on Skype/Whatsapp every night until finally..

We finally met for the first time last summer and our relationship just took off from there. We visited each other every month or so for the next several months until she moved here a few months ago.

We got married last week! I just feel like the happiest, luckiest guy in the world.

Even though you didn't want this on your own forums, thank you Blizzard for making such great games and making something like this possible. We never would have found each other if it wasn't for you.

-SadJetsFan and Venus1812
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>>173498289
Well i didnt buy that bundle yet. Should i wait until i have wasted that one week boost? Will this bundle come back or is it a standard bundle?
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>>173498370
I just saw this fucking shit in some other thread, get the fuck out you stupid cunt.

>>173498395
If it's the Nexus Challenger/Conquerer bundle, that one's been in the shop for half a year now. I don't think there's an immediate danger of those disappearing.
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>>173498370
Post the image you fucking faggot.
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>>173494373
>he doesn't know about Rylia
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Did they do something to Misha's health pool? She just fucking melts. She can't tank a single fucking thing. What the fuck, man.
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>>173499032
>Rylia
hey i think i remember that guy
didnt he get drunk on christmas and threw like 6 games in a row
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>>173498395
There's also a $18 bundle that includes the $10's worth stimpack and heroes at 2 bucks each.

>>173498437
Actually there wont be bundles of this sort in 2.0 at all. We'll read more about it in the actual patch notes a day before.
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Do we know when the 2.0 hits live? I am so incredibly hyped because i love loot and lootboxes.
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>>173499176
Damage and burst in general has been going up while Misha has not gained any health
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>>173499262
God. These shitty devs, man.
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Do I have to level him to 7 to actually keep all my colour variations? Would be retarded if I bought the skin but wasn't even allowed to keep all the variations I've paid for, but should I make sure and level him to 7?
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>>173500302
1 you need lvl 9 to unlock all variations
2 you dont need to do it, you will get all of them
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>>173500302
current bought or master skins get all three. the base characters also now have their 2 variants at level 1 for everyone with no leveling.
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So how's the Amazon?
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>>173501207
its not a master skin, its one I bought
>>173500669
so that applies to normal skins too? Good, thanks
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>>173501345
a lot like try mode
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>>173501909
Oh yeah, Try Mode lets me now how she's faring so far against the majority of the roster.
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>>173483483

You're going to be rather disappointed if you expect a hero as straightforward and awesome out of Probius, no matter what his current winrates say.
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>>173484445
A bunch of French cucks died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8
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>>173483483
Probius is garbage, don't buy him
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>>173483483
Probius is amazing, buy him
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>>173501345

I think her big damage combo has anti synergy. Her damage outside of her combo, piercing,and her bouncing ult is not top tier
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>>173501345
really fun to play if you have a spotter like arthas or sonya who can lock down a target for you to W-R-E it to death
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>>173496891

>nova player

laffin @ u m8
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>>173499176

You send her in to make people run away. She can block some damage but isn't invincible. Positioning still matters even though you have to micro a dumb bear.

Damage hasn't really gone up, Misha just got more stupid to control.
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>tfw
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>>173508440
kinda fucked, but not really
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>>173508643

>no gorillian pleb chest
>5 veteran chests, 55 epic chests

i can live with it
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>>173508713
You're probably gonna get 6 or 7 veteran chests after conversion.
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>>173508440
Wow great work! Your parents must be so proud of what you are doing with your life
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>Have 2 pylons set up
>Enemy nova reveals herself for a split second because turret has true sight

>Press R
>Dat noise
>Dat fried nova

Feels Good Bruhs
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Why is Sonya so fun to play? No other bruiser seems to compare.
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Is there an active effort to disconnect QM queue into oblivion? I'm finding teams, but the past 6 have disconnected, with either one or several people dodging out.
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>>173510703
Her autohits and her W blend so well into each other, and her passive also helps
Maxing the spear makes it really satisfying to land
Whirlwind is such cheap satisfaction if you time it right
ult rewards you for being aggressive

Such a great hero
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>>173510703
>>173512017
yall niggas just convinced me to give Sonya a try

th-thanks
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>>173512396
np bro
max her spear, it can deal great damage, save your ass, and is your main source of fury
Don't use your whirlwind as primary damage source, its your most reliable self-heal, good for finishing off but also easily countered by CC, so its mostly just best to wait it out in a teamfight
don't pick the jumping ult, pick the other one and abuse its low CD and the fact that dealing damage prolongs it. You can have it on almost all the time
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these two slap your ass at the bar and ask you if youre up for a threesome, wat do
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Sonya is super fun, my only gripe is that Leap is so much fun but is outclassed almost always by Beserker.

HotS has a dire need for more ground-targeted leaps, especially not as ults.
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>>173512668
>>173512396
I prefer to take Follow Through and Focused attack at 4/7 since you're gonna be using her W a lot. The only really worth it Spear talent is the one at 13 for escape.
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>>173512892
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>>173512937
true, although sometimes Merc Lord is the better level 4 choice (some Garden games, Haunted Mines, BHB if youre not getting into many fights)

Follow Through is just a beast of a talent on pretty much every hero that has it
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>>173512914

Tyrael my guy

Sorta
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>>173512914
Leap needs a lower cooldown, that's all. Once you're HOooaoaaahHAhOOOOHHH-ing every 45 seconds, you'll get sick mileage out of it as an escape and engage instead of having to conserve it.
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>>173480958
>Valeera is cuter than Tyrande
>Valeera has literally no ass

It's not fair.
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>>173513279
>white girl has no ass

water is wet
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>Not playing Kharazim
What are you doing with your life Anon?
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>>173513862
Playing Probius instead.
In time, all will be Protoss.
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>>173513862
Playing Anub.
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>>173513914
pro toss is just another way of saying nice throw
which is what you are doing by playing memeius
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>>173513936
That's not kharazim
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>>173513862
Playing the Butcher.

>FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
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>>173514158
He sure isn't.
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>>173514190
>tfw level 17 meatboy
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>>173514190
>Butcher
that's like Playing junkrat in Overwatch, yeah you're doing a shit ton of damage but are you REALLY doing anything else?
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>>173514190
>free week butcher vs cassia

this is the best week ever
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>>173514410
>so many Cassia players
>have never seen even one of them pick the auto blind at level 4

I don't get it, it's basically DESIGNED to blue ball the Butcher in particular. How are people so bad at reading tool tips??

>>173514373
Damage kills people. Heroes that are killed can't do things until they respawn. This is a good thing for your team. Also the Butcher's animations alone are enough to make the game worth, he's so well made.
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>>173514767
I notice that too and they dont use the trait when he lambs them.
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What sorta rewards am I gonna get when we change over to 2.0?

I've "played" for years but I probably only play in long streaks for a couple days once every month or so
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>>173514946

a couple of legendary boxes and a few epics.
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>>173514886
It's the funniest shit. Butcher is the perfect hero to play if you want to notice how much of the game is essentially cyber bullying.
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>>173515074
I would say that hero is Valeera but the butcher is good for that too.
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>>173515313
Of course, Valeera makes people angry and lose their shit, but with Butcher it's this element of "THIS BIG RED MONG DOESNT EVEN HAVE STEALTH OR ANYTHING HOW THE FUCK DID HE GET ME THIS TIME" and the sound design.
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Why is guillotine so fun and not viable?
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>>173515756
It's viable. At high level HL I see it mote often than the other ult.
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>>173514946
converted, you'll be like 210 player level or something like that, so you'll get a handful of epic boxes and 2 vet boxes

eh
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>>173515619
>and the sound design.
God yes the sound design.
>FRESSH MEEEAT
>STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP SLAM!
>horrifying brand noise
>meaty fucking whacks
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>teammate Zarya feeds solo lane early game
>disconnects
>keeps trying to reconnect for for the remainder of the game, never succeeds
>the bot was an infinitely more useful teammate than the human even if they kept bodyblocking me
>actually shields teammates (e.g. me)
>actually uses ults
>actually lands nades
>actually stays with team when pinged
I hate people who pick tanks/warriors thinking it's a license to not die while they fuck off solo lane. Then there are the ones who keep diving 1v5 thinking they can handle it.
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>>173515619
>>173516687
leoric has some amazing sounds too
honestly i feel that ragnaros's sound effects are really weak compared to those two guys
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>qm
>playing thrall
>enemy li-ming 1 hp
>ally kerrigan misses her pull
>mount to chase
>right before li-ming gets behind gate i get in range for Q and kill her
while chasing, ally nova asks what the fuck i'm doing

what did he mean by this? we might have been 20, but even if we were i chose earthquake so i couldn't sunder her across the map
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>>173516070
Really, everyone tells me to get the other ult.
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>>173512914
I never get value out of Wrath against decent oponnents since I get kited to death and it eventually runs out.
Leap on the other end combined with a teammates CC or stuns and I'll get a pick 100% of the time especially against fucks like Lucio
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>>173496891
>Nova player
All of my wew, lad
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>>173516827
You just know the Diablo boys are the ones Blizzard really loves
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>>173515313
>>173515619
>tfw you counter-bully Valeera
I don't know what was up with that random pause in pathing near the end. I guess I clicked on Valeera instead of the ground when she poofed?
Also half-tempted to enable minimap clickthrough these days.
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>>173513562
I dunno m8, Google Iskra Lawrence.
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>>173517798
>nova player
I play a lot of different heroes, just happened to play Nova today since she is level 10 and it was a starcraft quest

>inb4 level 10 nova means I'm a nova player
I got like 10 level 10+ heroes
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>>173518517
>Being this defensive
>Inb4ing your own post
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>>173518517
>thinking having other lv 10+ heroes excuses having a lv 10 Nova
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>not playing The lost vikings
God you all are pathetic
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>>173519703
But I do.
They fucked up viking swapping this patch and it's annoying as fuck.
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why do people waste their ults when they get ganked out of position?

like, it doesn't matter how good of a maw you pull off, Zagara, you're across the map and no one can get to you in time to save you. just hold onto the maw and wait for the next team fight,which you can do immediately after respawning, but now we're down an ult for another 2 minutes

oh look, the enemy is pushing, they're on our core and you just respawned, wouldn't it be great if you still had your maw up instead of having to wait another 40 seconds??

JUST FUCKING SAVE YOUR ULTS IF YOU'RE GONNA DIE
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>>173520061
>playinf The los Vikings
Ha.... pathetic.........
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>mfw i get "play 8 games" quest 3 days in a row
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redpill me on Nova
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>>173520594
She's shit and the Nova player on your team is likely going to lose you the game.
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>>173520594
If your teammate Nova takes Triple Tap, your chances of losing shot up to 99%.
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My current level is 452 but using that reddit program shows my level will be lower on 2.0, 439. Is this normal? Are we supposed to lose levels?
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>>173520994
That program is not working because your lvl will go up.
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>>173520994
You cannot lose levels, but I imagine the tool does not account for that.
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>>173520508
Yeah I got it too
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>>173520594
Orbital Strike is actually one of the best ults in the game. Shame it's on one of the worse heroes

Also, Grubby's stealth ranking
>Zeratul
>Valeera
>Samuro
>Nova
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>Never played hero league before
>Finally get last hero to level 5
>"Highest ranked player does bans"

>Oh thats cool so at least I can let someone who knows the meta and shit ba-
>"ANONS BAN."

>End up banning lucio because I play overwatch and hes an op nigger in that game
>Ban murky on 2nd phase because someone asked me to and I vaguely recall him being good since rework

>End up picking sylvanas and taking the merc buff talent at level 1
>On Towers of Doom

Well that was terrifying

Won tho
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>>173520686
>>173520881
>>173522134
Why has Nova been shit for so long now
Why doesn't Blizzard buff her at all?
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>>173522993
Because stealth heroes, in general, are the most un-fun things to play against.
They're not interactive at all and if Nova (or any stealth) got buffed it would be horrible to play against especially in something like QM where you can't counter pick.
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>>173522993

It's not that she's undertuned, it's that her kit is worthless in a team oriented game like HOTS.

Her only contributions are a targeted slow and precision strike. Her damage sucks compared to other AP damage dealers that can do things like take solo lane, self heal, wave clear, etc.
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>>173521190
is that how it works? the spreadsheets been telling me my 364 converts to 303 or so. hopefully i actually gain levels up to 400+ instead.
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>>173520994
Yes, it is normal if most of your heroes are lvl9 and below.
Right now if you have 65 lvl 1 heroes your total hero level is 65. In 2.0 you gain your first player lvl going from lvl 1 to 2
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>>173522993
they prefer the general community stay retarded.
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>>173522993
Nova is annoying enough in pubs.

If she becomes good enough to be say, comp viable. Imagine how fucking infuriating games will be at all levels.
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>>173523162
>It's not that she's undertuned
>lists reasons why shes undertuned

I mean you said it right there, if her base damage was increased and anti-armor shells was baseline, along with making her decoy explode or something after the duration(waveclear), she'd be in a much better spot.
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>>173523558
Poor design is not the same as undertuned.
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>>173522993
Before her rework she was really strong. Anything that wasn't a tank would die instantly if she landed her abilities(anyone remember double decoy+decoy damage+rewind? 5 fucking novas shooting at you)

But that was unfun as fuck for anyone that wasn't Nova, so they changed it and now she's kinda useless because the ONLY thing she does is hero damage. No wave clear,no obj securing nothing. She does have a bribe but that's not good enough
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>>173523650
not being the same as everyone else isn't poor design
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>>173523650
That doesn't make sense. She's not poorly designed, she's literally undertuned. You could keep her kit exactly the same and change some numbers around and she'd be better.
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>>173523948
Let me expand on my point before you go "durr well u can buff anyones numbers and they'll be gud"
Nova doesn't have a bad kit, but her kit is undertuned in that she lacks a lot of features within her current kit. Decoy's exploding would be an addition to the decoy, not a new skill. Making her base attack the same as with anti-armor shells doesn't change her kit and it's something that's already there.
Those are two simple changes that would fix 90% of her problems
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>>173520508
s-source?
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>>173523948
She's poorly designed because:
She brings no CC other than a moderate slow (upgradable to a conditional heavy slow)
She brings no waveclear (at all)
She has no mobility (upgradable to conditional mobility--a bad condition, at that [only when stealthed])

She can kill and only kill and her entire life is killing--Valeera can do all her effective assassinations and clear a wave or two, and she has a stun or silence on demand, and an escape to boot. Valeera replaces Nova.

Things I'd do to help Nova? Make Triple Tap slow its target by 40% for its channeled duration, allow a talent for extremely small knockback(/daze) on Snipe, maybe make the armor-down on Pinning Shot baseline while lowering its damage so at least she could fucking help an objective before 16.
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>>173524942
As another anon suggested I'd like to see a decoy like Loki's from Smite implemented. It taunts non-heroes, and after a while or when its hp are depleted it explodes for minimal damage and a lot of damage to non heroic targets.
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>>173523558

Her not being able to sustain, escape, clear waves, solo lane, self heal, and the rest are not a tuning issue.
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>>173524942
She needs some kinda talent rework too. You get so much damage from one in the chamber it's unreal and it's totally unavoidable. Snipe mastery is shit because none of your talents synergize with the extra damage and it means you're locked out of using your only damage skill against boss/objectives/camps for the rest of the game. Anti-armor rounds just aren't good since you have to stay revealed a lot longer more often to deal any auto attack damage.

Holo decoy's talents need to be a lot better too. They only show up for 2 tiers and they're far and away the most useless options on both. Bribe is super good on a character that can't help take camps and 40% of your damage is kinda pathetic when it's running around like a chicken with its head cut off instead of shooting.

Ghost Protocol as a level 20 talent is absolutely shameful when every stealth character gets revealable by default these days. A 60 second cooldown when Samuro and Valeera get theirs every 9 seconds?
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>>173523467
seems like they are already infuriating at all levels.
so instead, let's imagine how quickly it would improve with a competitively viable nova in charge.
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>>173524942
>>173525953
You're guys are listing things she doesn't have, but she wasn't designed to need those things. Nova was meant to be an assassin, that's it. Pure damage stealth assassin with little utility. She did that VERY WELL, so well that she was nerfed for it and never recovered. The whole point of Nova not having those other things was her drawback, which Blizzard apparently didn't take into account when they nerfed her.
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>>173526996
>but she wasn't designed to need those things
Too bad the FUCKING GAME was designed to need those things.
The closest hero I can think to name that lacks all these things would be Azmodan, and Azmodan's waveclear is godlike after some progression talents and he also has the third fattest HP pool in the game to compensate for his immobility.

>Pure damage stealth assassin with little utility. She did that VERY WELL
And now we have Valeera, a high damage stealth assassin with a lot of utility. She's trash.
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They should make all Nova attacks and skills do splash damage when they hit non-hero units and make the copy also attack and deal damage to minions
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>>173526996

The game doesn't have a spot for a damage dealer that can't be flexible, at least competitively.

Nova is absolutely fine in QM though.
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>>173480613
Is it bad that the only person I am good with is Jimmy?
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>>173528705
>Is it bad that the only person I am good with is the most simple hero in the entire game?
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>>173528838
Kay, fuck it. Fuck Moba's, gonna stick with red alert 2.
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>>173528705
I don't know much about the game yet but it feels like Jimmy is literally never a bad pick, so carry on.
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>>173527240
>>173528423
the game literally had a spot for her
what the fuck? she was strong and got nerfed, how is that hard to understand?
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>>173528705

Go learn Valla, then Falstaad.
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>>173529390

She was OP and got fixed. Also, heroes got added to the game that do what she does, but also other things.

Nova kills heroes, her inability to do anything else is what keeps her from being competitive.
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>>173529390
She wasn't that strong, you just don't really remember properly. Nova has been a limited, stifling character that the party has to compensate for for the past two years.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9XbDIJRLuQ

I have never heard like half of these.
I have never heard the ones with the distorted voice, were they in the game before? I have only played this for like 2 months.
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>>173530269
They record an hour of voices and put in just 4 lines just because
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>>173530269
The distorted ones are probably for a skin they planned to do and then dropped.

For some reason the dev team ends up dropping alot of stuff, we still don't have mekkertorque even though they showed models for him 2 years ago.
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>>173530849

DROPPED
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>>173530269
It just means you're not playing enough AI matches.
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>>173531201
I can't believe we are getting shitty Genji before Kel'Thuzad even though we already have Illidan who shitters can flock to
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>>173532774
The shitters whose first fps game Overwatch was can't attach to Illidan when they're coming to play HotS as their first moba style game.
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>>173526630
She's infuriating in a manner that has nothing to do with how shit she is.

You can't counterpick in QM.
You can't rely on teammates to not be blind idiots.
You can't use her against competent people.

Making her strong would just make the first two issues even worse than they already are.
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>>173528705
>>173528838
Simple kit doesn't mean the character itself is simple. You still need to stutter-step on position properly, its not that simple
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>when people threaten to report you for not filling
Neat.

>>173528705
Nope. Especially if you're having fun.
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>>173532974
This is definitely the biggest factor

Kel'Thuzad is a character from Warcraft 3 and ten year old WoW content. He has a card in Hearthstone I guess, but it's not particularly relevant or iconic. He means fuck all to the average """"Blizzard fan""""" in 2017, aka a guy who just played Overwatch and HS for a while and decided to try this other f2p game on the bnet client. That's why even most of the Warcraft heroes are HS/nuWoW characters that most people don't even know or care about.
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>>173533146
right clicking twice a second is extremely simple sorry
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>>173533506
So valeera is the hardest hero in the game because she has 8 buttons?
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>>173530269
>>173530849
The distorted lines are for when Abathur makes a clone of Brightwing...
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I swear to Christ if you blizzard fucks are here and read this garbage I'll drop 1000$ on your stupid 2.0 loot chests if you add kel'thuzad. Just fucking add him.
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>>173533506
Sure, but there are more than a few people who'll never make Masters who still think simple Heroes are below them.

Anyways, it all depends. As a standalone Raynor is quite easy.

>>173533598
She's probably up there.
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>>173533598
yeah that's exactly what i said retard
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>>173533713
People don't even know this, right?
Abathur clones have seperate voice-over for every single hero
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>>173533146
Actually, it's one of the more basic functions of the game and you have to do that with literally every other hero also. Raynor is the simpliest hero in the game.
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>>173533876
More or less, at least thats the logic you operate on
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>>173533463
I wonder what percentage of OW players, the game that's audience they so desperately want, has ever even heard of WC3 let alone played it. We'll probably get at least 4 more Overwatch heroes this year.
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>>173533745
I'd be sort of surprised if they didn't eventually add some exclusive skin/mount that just had a 1 in 2500 chance to drop from a chest, or something. Couldn't be directly crafted/purchased.

also Kel'Thuzad never
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>>173534164
>I wonder what percentage of OW players, the game that's audience they so desperately want, has ever even heard of WC3 let alone played it.
Barely any, I'm sure. Hearthstone is a fucking Warcraft card game and 90% of the big players don't know shit about Warcraft and just play it because it's the biggest online card game.
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>>173534027
no surprise someone who's satisfied playing jimmy is this dumb
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>>173513862
Playing the best character blizzard has ever created
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>>173534317
Which is really sad. Not gonna lie I'm just playing WCIII for the first time right now, but I've known about it since it came out. I know the characters, and some of the story, I played WoW for a bit way back when too. It's really sad that even people who play HoTS have no idea what their favorite characters are all about.

Also WCIII is fun as fuck.
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>>173533463
They added samuro which most will recognize as being the literal who character from a small questchain in nagrand during BC. Why is it such a stretch that they'd add the final boss of one of the most iconic WoW raids?
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>>173534608
>most will recognize as being the literal who character from a small questchain in nagrand during BC
anon...
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>>173534608
>Samuro
>literal who
Phantom Lancer from Dota wasn't a donut steel you know.
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>>173534468
I don't even play him dude I'm just pointing out how stupid your reasoning is
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>>173531201
So what do you want this guy to do once he's in the game? Is he going to summon a bunch of creeps like Azmodan or Nazeebo? Is he going to be a winter wyvern kinda ice dude with mana bomb as his primary ability? Is his ult going to be crying to Arthas for help and will they have special voice lines when they're in the same match together?

>>173534164
I think a lot of people have heard of WC3, but I doubt many people have played it. RTS games just aren't very popular and I don't think they ever were. Even when I was younger people would get those games to play online against other people and probably never touched the story mode.
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>>173534895
random sentences you make up have nothing to do with my "logic" or "reasoning"
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>>173534719
Literal
W H O
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>>173534608
I'm not saying it's a stretch, just lower on the priority list than all the popular Overwatch heroes. No idea why the fuck they would add a generic Blademaster as a hero though, so I guess they might not be 100% driven by sensible business decisions.
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>>173535404
wtf i hate wow now
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>>173535128

I want him to be a big imposing raid boss style hero like Ragnaros or Cho'gall.

Probably a mage, unlikely to be summoning anything.
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Red Pill me on tracer talents

What are the must haves, what are the noob traps, and whats the fun shit?

Is there level 1 recall talent as good as I think it is? Im often finding recall not taking me as far as I need it to
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>>173535812
>Red Pill me
Post disregarded
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did probius seriously get buffed so hard to jump almost 10% in winrate? i know he got buffs all over but they all looked small enough to not push him into top tier
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>>173528705
nah man, lost a game today because their Jimmy was amazing
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>>173535875

Sorry

Gimme the rundown
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>>173535812
Tracer is a melee hero.

Take all melee talents.
Get the Risk of Rain reload talent.
Get extra damage for Pulse Bomb, status effects ain't worth shit.

I think that's about it.

Oh and take the heal-on-recall talent when it comes up.

Then after you lose more than 2/3 of your games, realise that she's a shit hero and stop playing her.
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>>173536265
You take melee on 20
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>>173530269
is she voiced by tara strong?
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>>173536085
what rank are you, i haven't seen a jimmy contribute anything meaningful to a team in forever at diamond/master, valla is just so much better
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>>173536403
Oh, I swear the Recall talent was like 13 or 16. It's been a while.
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>>173535812
Pretend it says "Tracer talents" on it.

The level 1 recall talent is basically like the mana-regen when below 25% talent on Li-Ming, it exists so people who don't know how to play the character have a crutch to rely on.

At level 1, the melee talent is the go to unless it's a map with a lot of smoke, in which case Tracer Rounds makes it so the enemy diving into cover doesn't break her AA.

At 4, if you're doing QM you also usually want the "Is that a healthpack talent" if it's not QM you only draft her when you have shields, especially Tass shields which turn you into an unstoppable god of destruction. In that case you either want the bombs on recall for picking off squishes, or Untouchable so you can feel like a total fuck-up when you lose all of your stacks.

At 7 it's based on your team comp and the enemy comp. Typically the bonus jump charge and the charges on kill are best, but if the enemy team has no real way to punish you for getting infinite hits in, then the aa reduces cooldown can be great.

At 10 it's typically the Giant Killer bomb. If you're able to get free AA hits in, then the more bombs talent isn't the worst, but it's not good. Sticky bomb only exists because the enemy team has a lot of shields/protects so it's better to secure a chase/kill than to go for an immediate one.

At 13 the melee talent is neat, the ricochet rounds talent is monstrous but requires that tassadar/zarya, the heal talent is your QM talent.

At 16 locked and loaded is the best but requires knowing reload timings. If you find that too demanding then typically you go for the reload faster talent, as the "unload an entire magazine on one target" talent is inconsistent as fuck.

At 20 the melee talent is mostly used for the reduced cooldown, and sometimes for the knockback effect. The total recall talent turns Recall into a heroic in terms of impact and cooldown. The second bomb talent is because you're already 5 levels ahead and just fucking around.
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>>173535812
never tried the extra second recall, but i'm sure often times it won't be any more helpful in escape and sometimes it'll be worse than the 3 second timer for escaping, i would suggest just paying more attention to where you've been 3 seconds ago
melee charge rate on top of the level 10 additional charge rate means you can ult multiple times in a sustained enough teamfight
reveal is fine if they have an invis you want to annoy, if valeera hits vanish after you've auto'd her you will reveal her after the first second's up
also good if it's a fog heavy map so you don't have to waddle facefirst into a bush to continue autoing

parting gift is solid extra damage if you use it properly. get on top of someone, melee, bomb, recall
takedown talent is less reliable

extra blink charges is the one i've always stuck with so i don't have to do anything to get an additional blink

aoe melee because your waveclear is fucking trash, leeching spray maybe in qm with 0 healers or something but even then it doesn't do quite enough to warrant it imo

i imagine locked and loaded is the theoretical best but having to keep an eye on that while playing the rest of the game can be a hassle, faster reloads is the best of the remaining two options
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>>173536519
Holy fuck this guy got triggered hard.
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>>173534873
What? Samuro was Juggernaut's model. PL was literally a Final Fantasy character's skin applied to a WC3 model.
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fnatic btfo

first hgc and now this
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>all these cool auto attack heroes/reworks coming out
>meanwhile raynor gets outclassed and gets nothing in return
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>>173535539
They'll probably base him off the WC3 lich.

So frost blast, Death and Decay mage style. maybe some shit with shackles from Naxx.

>>173535413
He was the WC3 blademaster hero altough he has no lore compared to any other wc3 hero. HoTS devs are known to prioritise WC3 over WoW.
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>>173538942

Raynor still has Stun counter talent and more range, so while he isn't crazy strong, he will always be a safe pick.

Banshees need buffed though.
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>>173533463
My first Blizz game was WoW in 2013 and I still know Kel'Thuzad because the Scourge are the best fucking faction in all of WoW, gimme my KEL'THUZAD HOTS DEVS REEE
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>>173494090
Okay off work and was able to watch the replay of what happened here. Looks like I was spotted for half a second when naz turned and auto attacked me. Was it the spirit there on the left that did it?
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>>173540486
Do you see that big fucking red eye above your head?
You know how that big huge eye is white when you're in a bush and they can't see you?
Well guess what the big huge RED eye means?
Fuck me.
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>>173540486
Okay it was the ally. I'm not used to anyone taking that shit, but then again, that team ended up destroying us and their entire team could see me a mile away without it.
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>>173540717
I know what it means, retard. It was up for less then half a second when he turned and auto attacked me so I didn't see it. Calm your fucking autism.
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>>173539671

>First blizzard game was wow in 2013

This makes me feel old. I feel like a newfag to blizzard games because WoW was my first game (Before wc or diablo or sc) And I started playing in 2005. Fugg
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>>173540781
What was their comp?
Tass has that shit built into his kit.
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How to play Sonya? I feel squishy as fuck for a warrior and her kit basically says "FUCK THEM IN THE FACE WITH YOUR SWORD"

She feels like an Assassin/Warrior combo
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>>173541005
I mean I've known of Blizzard long before that, including the general idea of the Scourge and the Lich King, but I'm not the ARPG, MMORPG, or RTS type so it took me quite a long time to get around to playing any of their games

I still remember the stupid fucking Mr. T advertisements on TV with the fucking mohawk item
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>>173541005
I'm 25 and playing with a few 16 years old

I used to be the youngest one in any gaming group I've ever joined

Talk about feeling old. I don't know how those 30+ gamers feel
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>>173541212
Play her like a bulky Assassin pretty much.
Whirlwind as much as possible for the heal, don't forget you can use Whirlwind as an escape too since using an ability gives her 10% movement speed boost.
Q into people and fuck their faces with Slam.
Take Stoneskin and Ignore Pain at 16/20.
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>>173541246

I remember that ad coming out when I was in school and me and my buddies and my brother thinking it was the funniest shit in the world to our 14 year old minds

And getting the mohawk grenade in game that turned people into the Mr T elf.

Now I log in on occasion and see my achievements for getting every xmas present every year stopping in 2009 and the game reminding me of the time I did a certain achievement in a certain raid in like 2010 or some shit

Where is the time
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>>173541090
We had the tass. Was hero league. They had kaz, naz, valla, diablo and alarak.
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>>173541591
Like you said, Kharazim has his ally with detection.

Also you're not completely fucking invisible, that's why most pro players stay out of vision.
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>>173541745
yes if its a goddamn slow lane gank from out of cover

QM valeera's think theyre hot shit and they like to skirt around prefight when they should just stand still

They end up getting revealed, having to pop their ult early, and running away/dying
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>>173541745
>>173542558
I typically only play QM. In reality I should've played a specialist or tank instead which I'm much better with. Didn't help someone selected medivh from the start and never switched when he was last pick.
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>this awful brawl 2 weeks in a row
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>>173543176
I found it pretty ok. Even won more than I lost. Massive snowball either way.
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>>173541362
>tfw you play on a community server for CS and realize you've been playing CS longer than some of these kids have been alive
feels..weird...dude..
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>>173541362
Same here. I feel like I get tired super easy now and my reflexes aren't that good anymore either.

It fucking sucks.
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So are they removing master skins from hitting hero level 10 in 2.0? Because they're doing away with hero levels altogether and basically just mimicking overwatch's loot crate system albeit with specialised "Hero specific crates"?

So if I wanna keep a master skin I should earn it now before 2.0 hits right? Otherwise I'll have to craft it/uncrate it/buy it
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>>173536902
I don't think so, I think they just got an actress to do a MLP style voice over I guess.
I can't find who her VA is for some reason.
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>>173544086
>Otherwise I'll have to craft it/uncrate it/buy it

I guess so, but doing it is significantly easier than leveling a hero up to 10 and spending 10k gold.
For reference, if you ever get a 10k hero duplicate in your crates, you get 400 shards.
That gets all 3 tints of a Master skin and you get 100 extra for another one.
Or, you know, 4 tints of 4 different Master skins.
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>>173544808

Wait, you have to spend 10k to unlock the master skin after hitting 10 too? I had no idea.

But a single tint of the master skin is only 100 shards in the new system? Sheeeit that does sound easier
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>>173545221
It's why only retards who cares about having a "symbol of power" buy Master Skins (Or they own every hero in the game already). It's also why Reddit is bitching that Master Skins mean shit now because they can't have their little "Look at me I'm special" skins now.
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Grom Samuro skin when?
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>>173546279
>thinking grom wont be a hero himself
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>>173546494

>Grom before Garrosh

We got enough Green skins now

Lets see some red love
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>>173546692
There's a red Grom too, if you like.
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>>173546279

Grom wasn't a blademaster, kill yourself
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>>173533745
>>173533463
Whaz would Kel'Thuzads skills and abilities even be? I mean Arthas and Xul make him pretty much obsolete
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So like
Why is the Jaina in HoTS the old Jaina and not the current Jaina?
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>>173547767
Because new jaina is a meme.
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>>173547038
Anon...

>>173547767
Same reason why Uther isn't a corpse. The nexus cherry picks particular incarnations of the heroes from anywhere in their timeline.
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>>173547767
devs were better people back when jaina was added so they picked the better jaina
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>>173547872
Undead Paladin Uther skin when?
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>>173547872

>warsong
>axe

he's not
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>>173548353
Anon...
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>>173548579
To be fair he is right, he was just a blademaster for game balance purposes.
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>>173546102
>because they can't have their little "Look at me I'm special" skins now.
I consider it a mark of fucking shame when we get BTFO because masturd nova needs to show us how amazing she is at poking down a support
And besides horny valeera is cooler than master valeera
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>>173548928
>And besides horny valeera is cooler than master valeera
factually wrong.
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>>173549339
>preferring muslim valeera
jeeeeeesus
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>>173548928
Only Master Skin I actually like is Li Li's because it's normal and not overblown armor or some stupid bulky shit like Tracer's. Not her best skin by far though.

Bonus point for Li-Ming's because it's kinda lewd.
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>>173549657
Is a better armor in every single way.
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>>173549719
I dunno m8, Demon Hunter Valeera has slightly less stupid shoulder pads, that alone is enough for me.
Also midriff
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>>173550106
I said better not sexier.
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>>173550149
>I said better not sexier.
>implying those are strictly mutually exclusive
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>>173550149
I just really hate the shoulder pads in the original and Master, I guess.
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>>173550636
I just hate Blizzard's giant fucking shoulderpads in general
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>QM
>all assassin game
>we have varian
>he goes twin blade of fail and throws

cool game
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>>173551080
>Twin Blades

like
why
what's the point
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What's Genji' s 2nd, better, ultimate going to be?
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>>173551080
that's why these 5 man games feel like a farce
it just takes one fucking idiot to fuck 4 people over

If only there was someone who could soak in unoccupied lanes and could do everything well, even pick up the slack of the fuckups in a teamfight
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>>173551351
Teleporting behind people and unsheathing his katana.
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>>173551351
>hanzo's ult
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>>173551351
maybe something that enhances his ranged capabilities

I hope they make bleed on dash a talent, he used to cause bleed with it in the OW beta
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>>173544210
its Andrea Libman Fluttershy's VA
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>>173551835
No wonder why it sound so familiar.
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>>173551443
>a moba without teammates to blame

Sounds like it wouldn't be very popular, desu.
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>>173552307
>a moba without teammates to blame
Don't fucking put words in my mouth

I was implying that abathur is fantastic because you can outperform your assassin by cloning them and doing their job correctly when they cant
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>>173552836
Abathur isn't fantastic, thankfully.
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>>173551835
Oh, I get it, that's why she has that "Flutter, flutter" voice line.
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>Kel'Thuzad won't be the next hero
>Naxxramas won't be the next event theme
>the next map won't be from the Warcraft universe
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How do I build Falstad?
I usually go for everything that improves his auto attack and I pick the lightning attack Heroic.
It works pretty alright but I'm not sure I am exploiting his full potential.
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>>173553538
>filename
Are you trying to trick me?
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>>173546903

Will probs be a skin for grom, or maybe the main grom we get will be the alt-timeline grom we see in WoW now. I guess he is more recognisable nowadays than "Another green orc warrior dude"
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Just did ranked for the first time ever today after finally levelling up that last hero to level 5

How'd I do.

How many "divisions" are there per tier, and 5 is bottom and 1 is top, as in 1 in the last one before you move onto the next tier?
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>>173554538
Nice. And yeah, it's five.

>Diamond V
>Platinum I
>Platinum II

That sort of thing.

>>173553989
I wouldn't dream of it.
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>>173551351

Q: Summon Zenyatta
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>>173554538
>he didn't place diamond 3
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>>173554890

You only have to hit plat for the end of season rewards right? Good enough for me, but then I still wanna work towards diamond
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>>173555026
Yeah, you'll get the (unarmored) mount at the end of the season, regardless of your end rank.

>>173554890
>tfw did this on all of my vulture accounts
Sort of feels like cheating, desu. Tempted to tank at least one of them into Bronze-Silver.
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New Dwarf hero when?
2 are not enough, I want to have a 5 Dwarf party.
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I feel like Cassia's Q damage should be buffed, and she should gain spell armor from her shield instead of physical armor, as she's casting her E.
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>>173555327
>vulture accounts
Is that what the kids are calling smurfs these days? I'm not really hip to moba lingo.
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Is there anything worse then butcherfags?
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>>173555461
No, it's just that somebody on here always gets flustered by the term.

>>173555437
Feels like we'll be getting Moira soon.
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>>173555461
people made em for the vulture mounts so yeah
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>>173555750

>Getting Moira
>Right after we lose her husband in Hearthstone

For some reason this makes me feel happy.
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>>173555943
>only play Raynor
>actually have a lot of fun
>tempted to make vulture smurfs for vulture smurf

send help
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>>173555686
>Strategist
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>>173555943
Ah, I see. I had no idea that was a mount.
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>>173556163
naw man you play raynor
and if you play raynor you play safe

and that's volumes more valuable than allahu illidans and melee bruiser alaraks

Just like with Na's poor as fuck LoL scene, alot of NA games have players throw more than they "get outskilled"
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>>173480613
Why is this "Blizzard App" so fucking retarded ? Why the fuck you required to know battle tag to add person to friend list ? I forgot to add dude on post game screen, and that`s it, he lost. Fucking blizzard
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>>173555437
Who would be some good candidates? Off the top of my head, I'm thinking Thaurissan and Hemet.
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>>173556439
Can't you add them from the replay?

I think you can still add them via stat screen in a replay.
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>>173556519
I don`t know man, they keep trying to shove teamspeak into "Blizzard App", yet dont have simple way to add friends.
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>>173556397
Yeah, exactly.

>>173556375
Mhm. It's similar to the WoW recruit a friend system.

>shoot referral to friend
>they use code and start playing
>also works on accounts up to level 5, I think?
>they make it up to level 10
>repeat with three other people
>receive vulture bike mount

So, yeah. It mostly just lead to a bunch of people making smurf accounts.
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>>173555686
>butcherfags
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>>173558551
>basically a melee creep with a stun until quest is finished

Funny how some of them seem to forget this.
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>>173547183
Bump
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>>173558996
This was the play that started it all. I said "don't charge to your death please". Then he got incredibly defensive, and started running down mid killing himself until we were 5 levels behind, then left the game.
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What is the date limit to level up Total hero level?
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>>173559925
Well, that's unfortunate. I had a similar thing where a guy in draft warned us he'd feed if anybody was toxic.

like
wut

>Dragon Shire
>one guy was AFK
>ping danger/retreat in that bush everybody tries to 5v5 in
>only Rexxar runs into it
>dies instantly because 1v5
>"LOL TRASH"
>he proceeds to complain about toxic players and runs into towers
>muh teammates

Sometimes I just wonder.

>tfw no report punishment notifiactions
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>>173559925
>Butchers expecting to get solo kills at lv 1
Butcher free week is suffering.
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>>173560321
it can drive a man to commit first degree murder, it can
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>>173559876
maybe an ability that puts up some kind of aura that debuffs enemies around him. he will be invulnerable while channeling it but he can not attack or cast anything else while channeling.
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>>173559925
>"team???"
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>>173558551
>>173559925
Friendly reminder to report people for abusive chat regardless of cause because Blizzard doesn't punish anyone for anything else.
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>blizz finally admitted murky was too squishy in the powercreeped meta to be playable
>they buffed him to the heavens
>meanwhile, TLV haven't been touched in ages
rework pls blizz
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>>173561679
Meanwhile, Nova, Kerrigan, Uther, Leoric, haven't gotten shit. And Gazlowe's "rework" was absolutely fucking nothing.

Makes me wonder what the fuck goes on in their heads.
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>>173561842
"we should get paid more if they want all these heroes fixed"
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>>173561842
I don't know why Kerrigan is an assassin. She should get reworked as a warrior because all her spells focus on sustain and displacement and her ultimate is a big "focus me immediately" button.
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Valeera so annoying despite being easy to spot she can always disengage without much effort then go back in then disengage then go back in and still take a good chunk of your hp. She isn't that squishy either so she can afford to be a bit stupid.
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>>173563413
So what would fix her? Zeratul-tier health?
I could get behind that, but give her damage-resistance charges, maybe say 15-25% for a few seconds
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>>173563782
Either take away a bit of her health or give her less ways to run away if she is revealed. At least with Zeratul if you reveal him he is forced to use his escape and its easier to kill him if he gets revealed again during that time. Sadly that isn't the case for Valeera who can still fucking fight your ass even if you found her several times.
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>>173563782
She already gets 3 charges of block for 50% damage off eviscerate.
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>>173562858
Definitely too much of a glass cannon to be a warrior.
>Friendly reminder that Kerrigan's Maelstrom ult only does 15% more overrall damage than Lucio's Reverse Amp on twice as long cooldown
wew lad
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>>173564110
>>173564096
so yes, zeratul tier health

I would frankly prefer damage-healing over damage mitigation in that stupid cloud thing

Or hell, remove the UNREVEALABLE and replace it with a .5 sec blind/silence so it makes it that her target can't reveal her, but assisting teammates still can re-reveal her, because it's fucking frustrating seeing her restun someone who almost survives a gank

Also I feel like her UNSTOPPABLE ult is too shit by comparison (or at least I'm assuming that because I only see one in ten do it)
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>>173564481
what if the damage and shield generation scaled with/inversely with her assimilation shields' health?
So tanking ability if they're focusing you
But more damage if you manage to activate it at high shields?
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>>173564497
The other ulti is only good for hard countering something like Chromies loop ulti
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>>173564706
Interesting concept, would even pave way for a 2nd multiclass hero which we definitely need.
Hate seeing varians in qm because he can go tank while your team may not have one.
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>tfw you take animal husbandry and never die the whole game
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>>173564885
>Hate seeing varians in qm because he can go tank while your team may not have one.
More like you feel you need a tank
You think you're going to get a tank
and he YOLOs in with his akimblades

Because you know, it's like mm is trying to disappoint you at every turn
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>2.0 still not live
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>>173564497
It's kind of like a Gul'dan situation where both his ultimates are pretty cool and fun to use but the one is just outrageously overpowered.
Cloak of Shadows is a low cooldown cleanse that also gives you greater spell shield and makes you invulnerable to new CC. It's the best get out of jail free card and lets you stand and fight against teams that have a lot of AoE burst. The only problem is that it's competing with smokescreen, your own personal sanctification that lasts 2 seconds longer with half the cooldown and gives energy regen so you're working at maximum efficiency the whole time.
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>>173565170
I still can't understand how people honestly pick fury Varian.
Smash Varian has a place, sure, but Fury is absurd.

That said, those who don't pick Taunt Varian are typically fucking their own team.

Also there is something stupidly satisfying to hitting Ctrl+1 during a fight, where some DPS is thinking they have you dead, getting a massive health boost, then NO POTIONS-ing them while a teammate arrives for the kill.
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>>173565582

>cant control flow of time
>cant make updates come fast enough

feels bad
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>>173565960
Gul'dan's rain ulti is literal shit tier
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>>173567947
>tfw can't just go to sleep for a week or two
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>>173567954
I was going to try to make an argument for it while trying to think of when I last saw Rain used in a masters game, then I realized I couldn't remember when.
Literally 1.2% pickrate in masters.
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>>173568349
You can deal more damage spamming Q than channeliing your ulti, it's only good for area denial and even then it's not much better than Raynors ulti even though it stuns you and reveals your location
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Why is there a tracer in every single game I play
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>>173567775
Is varian the only "assassin" with literally every counter in the book?
>anti heal
>anti shield
>anti DAMAGE
>anti dashes (because he can dash spam)
>anti poke (several ways to sustain)
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>>173568590
Just wait until Genji comes out.
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>>173568076
>>173567947
>your life is such a drag you'd give up weeks of unrecoverable time from your lifespan to get ethereal gratification from virtual treasure chests
I can't relate
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Redpill me on Kerrigan /hotsg/
Is she good?
Is she shit?
Why is she good?
Why is she shit?
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>>173568937

>Redpill me

end this meme right NOW
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>>173569051
Think of it as the actual matrix.
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>>173569051
Redpill me on this post
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>>173569051
>>173568937
>used to say I liked redpilled girls a couple years ago
>now /pol/ has completely hi jacked the term and it's become a meme
>now I look like a big faggot when I say I like redpilled girls
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Can someone please give me a reason to take mind control over wailing arrow?
I really want to think mind control is useful in at least one situation.
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>>173570303
If used at the appropriate time, it can turn a 5v5 into a 5v4.
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>>173570303
>towers of doom
>have enemy run into death barrage at maximum velocity
>have lucio run into the middle of your team/away from his team at maximum velocity
>have enemy backline running where they shouldn't be
if your team isn't retarded there shouldn't be a case where this isn't going to work, especialliy in sieging situations
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>>173570303
>Enemy player runs away
>MC them into your team

You can also use this on a team fight and make the carry die fast.
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>>173570303
If the enemy hero has something that increases their movespeed, like sgt hammer's mount or probius's mount, you can run them full speed into your team or dangerous situations, its also useful on escaping heroes
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>>173570460
>isn't
meant is*

I want to say that ult is like a safe stitches ult
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>>173570303
>Greater pick potential.
>Significantly reduced team fight effectiveness.

Like, it can be great if used to catch their Li-Ming, Jaina or Valla out of position and assassination prior to an objective, or just in general. Issue is that if you don't make these picks then you'll be less impactful in a head-on 5v5.

Keep in mind that improper usage can easily lead to death. Similarly to that ability Gul'dan has that nobody takes it's basically a self root/stun. Be careful.

>tfw no hots splash art
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>>173570810
>assassination
Assassinate, rather.

Basically >>173570412
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>>173570810
For a second I thought that was BW but I can't not recognize that shitty LoL art style.
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>>173570963
Take it back.
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>>173480613

So why do people not like Cassia? I've won almost every match I've played with her.
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>>173568937
>>173569051
>>173569557
>>173569959
>>173569969

OK, please ignore the meme, let me rephrase my question:

How good/shit is Kerrigan? Why?
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>>173571875
Probably because she's one of the blander Heroes we've gotten. Not that I mind.

Maybe people find the passive tedious.
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>>173572236
I think she makes a great off tank when paired with people that can combo. If she is the main tank she will die pretty fast.
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>>173571875
>new hero with a skill that causes an insulting amount of allahu ackbar incidences
gee i wonder why
>>173572236
her 'better' heroic right now is one where she summons a dinky summon because the other heroic prevents her from using her strong kit
that should tell you quite a bit

On the other hand I daresay she has specialist-tier waveclear with that one cleaving talent
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>>173572345

I was just happy to have another D2 class hero, and she's a lot more true to her OG version than Xul was. Also Harrogath background means more D2-specific heroes.
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>>173572345
>forcing oneself to take advantage of the trait and not just living with the fact that it works when it works
that sounds about as stupid as relying on Tyrael's pass
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>>173572498
>>173572345

I just see her passive as
>stutterstep and you'll take less way less AA damage
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>>173572498
lmao this fucking bronzie
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>>173572498
Ye, I originally thought it was interesting until the counter came to mind.

>just CC her lol
like
gee

>>173572540
Of course. Another reason might be that she's a tad less "versus all" than, say, Probius or Li-Ming. Not that it stopped Valeera, but we all knew she'd be hella popular.

I hope they give out more Heroes in the 2.0 Nexus Challenge.
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>>173572734
>Another reason might be that she's a tad less "versus all" than, say, Probius or Li-Ming.

True, tho I usually take charged strikes and go full AAs and top damage almost every match. I've heard people bitching about her AA range but I usually play melee characters anyway so it probably hasn't bothered me as much as people who use actual long range heroes.
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>>173572921
Oh, that's another thing. It feels abnormally short relative to all other "ranged" Heroes, with the exception of Probius and *maybe* Tychus. I haven't played the latter since it was reduced.

I wonder if Genji'll have some niche, like Tracer.
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>>173570303
It's funny with the level 20 talent, makes even the slowest of heroes into sprinters
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>>173573117

>Genji

I'm kinda annoyed Blizz has been rushing out these OW Heroes into the game while Fenix, Malthael, Baal, Maiev and Kel'thuzad keep getting put on the backburner.
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>>173573329
They didn't burn Overwatch's lore to the ground like they did Starcraft's.

Except Starcraft doesn't have a couple decades' worth of OC to randomly shit out for easy money.
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>>173573329
Probably because OW has very little added to the game so maybe this might be compensation. Other reason might be due to not having a lot choices yet for their game. I still find it funny they bring in every Overwatch hero I despise first. If Hanzo and DVA come then I will probably stop playing hots.
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>>173573791
>f Hanzo and DVA come then I will probably stop playing hots.

I heard D.va was leaked to be the next hero after Genji and I think one of the hero trailers had someone dodging an offscreen Hanzo's arrows so...
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>>173573687
>They didn't burn Overwatch's lore to the ground like they did Starcraft's.

And Diablo and Warcraft's

Also because OW started with meh lore anyway.
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>>173573791
>>173573915
not gonna lie, i want D.Va in hots just to hear her interaction with starcraft heroes, since she's supposed to be a pro starcraft player according to Overwatch
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>>173573915
We'll inevitably get both, Anon.
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>>173573915
If they bring in Symmetra so I can microwave genji I will be happy.


>>173574019
All starcraft heroes should just laugh at her every time she tries to bring it up.
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What part of the april fools joke was true? I really wish we got talandar and co-op missions.

Also I'm pretty sure I spotted Imperious on the video.
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I've never played any SC game, but fuck, Warhead Junction and Braxis Holdout have the BEST fucking music. So fucking good.
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>>173568628
Both Varian and Kharazim represent the best parts of the talent system, in that both characters are shells with basic semi-decent abilities whose talents take them in radically different directions based on the builds and enable several different playstyles and counterplays.
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>>173574323
I sort of hope we get another form of PvE mode.
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>>173574163

I don't really mind that they're adding OW heroes to the game, it's to be expected since it's been such a fucking huge hit. I'm annoyed at the frequency. Like, barring an event we never get 2 Diablo or Starcraft heroes in a row, and now we're about to get two OW ones in a row for no reason. We're probably not even gonna get another Diablo hero for its anniversary and are gonna get another 3 or so WC ones.
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>>173574450
I'm more hyped for Imperious desu.

Although I feel like the true joke from this april's fool is that only the zerg skins and the invisible mount are actually fake.
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>>173573915
3rd hero is female and part of the Overwatch event, thats all we know but personally I would love D.Va.

Mengsk and Overminde cant come soon enough.
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is this mobashit satisfying?
if I play battlerite/dota 2 will I do good?
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>>173575113
>>173574323

Wasn't that whole thing made by some Korean dude and not even Blizzard? I don't even think it's on any of Blizz' channels.
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>>173576006
>3rd hero is female
Spiderlady, please.

>>173576087
If you have any prior moba experience you'll probably start off just dumpstering nerds in hots.
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>>173576087
Game forces you to do objectives as a team to win the game more then just doing your own this. You want to spread to get maximum exp but group up once an objective opens up. Its a very simple game and it has a lot similar shit like dota just without the items.
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>>173576226
I think it would be the best thing if they released Azmodan's spider slut before any of the big deal primevals.
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>>173576087
Generally if you have experience in dota, you're used to the game not really starting until like minute 20.
In HotS the game starts about 40 seconds in.
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>>173576282
so I cant skill dumpsterfuck people by outplaying groups? I need teamplay or its a loss?
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>>173576509
You can't 1v5 the whole team unless they are they brain dead. You might be able to take out couple but you should be trying to win the objective since most of the time that helps push harder then slowly pushing. Unless you are a specialist that can push hard and get the fuck out when needed. Talents help but without items you can't go super in depth with it.
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I feel like I'm plateauing fucking hard. I keep losing and it feels like no matter how much I play I just can't get better. How do I get over this?
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>>173576956
Watch replays of matches where you lose and look at what you're doing from an outside perspective?
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>>173576683
so hows snowballing in this moba then
if you win every fight what do items do for you
i assume we're not talking dota 2 taking away options from the enemy team since theres only 1 option being "current objective"
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>>173577174
There are no items only talents and everyone has shared levels so there no need to fight for it. If you win most team fights which usually are for objectives you will get more ahead in the general level. It's still possible to turn it the game around. One good way to to do that is get camps/boss before the objective which will make a pretty good push and force some of the enemy to fall back to defend.
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>>173577174
Instead of items you get to pick a talent every couple levels. Being ahead of the enemy team means you have your ultimate and they don't or if it's a mirror match you just have like 30% more damage or 100% more range on your move than the enemy does. It becomes super difficult if not impossible for them to contest you at the objective and if they don't have characters that can do solo pushing stuff they're shit out of luck unless they can get a couple kills against your team.
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>>173529390
Literally just pick Covert Mission and shit out camps.
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>>173576956
try watching professional video gaming athletes on twitch.tv and learn from them and what they have to say personal coaching only $130 dollars for 4 hours before taxes buy razer or be a noob
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>>173577174
The real objective is always: Destroy the enemy Core/Ancient/whatever.

The rest are all technically optional but they all help.

Merc camps (HotS' equivalent of jungle camps) don't give you farm but cleaning that camp sends that camp down a lane to push it hard if unchecked. The ranged mercs usually have longer ranges than the towers so they are very useful in pushing.

The main map objectives are always about pushing towers and cores, never about killing people better. Dragon, Garden Terror, Punishers, Immortals, etc. are always there to help the winning team blow up a building or two minimum and they get stronger with time. That's why the periodic objectives matter but are worth ignoring the early ones if you can do better without them while the enemy team wastes time on the objective.

There are no items. Imagine Dota with no items where the only thing you do is farm exp while sitting in lane and get levels. That's HotS.

There are no items
There are no turn rates.
There is no last hitting because the only thing matters is sitting in range of the dying creep.
There are no wards - though there are some talents that could reveal invis
There is no dust.
There is no true stealth - Every invis hero shows up on your screen as a blur/shimmer so you can skillshot them out of stealth and/or just kill them outright if they are Unrevealable in that brief moment you hit them.
There is no Roshan or Aegis but there is a Boss merc camp on most maps that let you send a massive merc down the lane to fuck shit up.
There is no variance in roles except for the obvious multiclassers (e.g. Uther can't memecarry like Omniknight would in Dota) so a healer will always be a healer, a pusher will always be a pusher, etc.

The same MOBA principles apply. Don't feed, farm when behind, farm when you have nothing better to do, take objectives if possible, don't feed.
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>>173577174
>>173578412
I ran out of space but:
>so hows snowballing in this moba then
Some maps like Tomb of the Spider Queen are extra snowball-y and everybody here bitches about them. You'll figure out which ones eventually.

Game is very snowball-y because of its emphasis on teamplay over individual skill but also has strong rubber banding mechanics. As long as you try your best in trying to keep up with the enemy team, there is always a chance you can bounce back and turn a 20 minute loss into a 21 minute win. It's a low chance but it's always there.

Also, never ever buy a hero until you tried them out in the demo version at the shop and/or played a few games with them during a free week rotation.
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"SELAMA"
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Will we ever get Blackthorne?
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>gather Tribute
>face Curse

Why do so many people struggle with this choice?
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>>173578975
*muffled salami*
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>still no gifting
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>>173578707
just played it
is this for ipads as well?
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>>173580041
Yes
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>>173580513
thought so
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>>173551351
>R2 : Mada Mada
>For the next 20 seconds your basic abilities have half the cooldown, no longer cost energy, gain an additional 20% movement speed, and you ignore unit collision .
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>>173480613
How are you guys so sure that the next hero will be genji?
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>"We wanted to rework Gazlowe to make him more competitively viable "
>Give him jack shit, buff turret range and Robo-Goblin but in return fuck with Lazor synergy and nerf turret damage. NERFED. TURRET. DAMAGE.
>Still not competitively viable, rework failed
>"We really think Uther and Li Li should feel more impactful! Also Leoric needs some love too!"
>Absolutely fuck all for all of them
>Continue to do nothing for Nova or Kerrigan, and their absolutely horrible talents, spend a massive amount of time fucking with Warriors as if they're what's wrong with the game
>Keep making AA heroes, and for every AA hero released, two or three more heroes that AA are absolutely horrible against for a variety of reasons
>And have just recently nerfed the Warrior best suited for playing alongside an AA hero by removing ETC's AA group buff, despite saying a while ago that he's basically a bard and should feel like one.

Honestly, I think any of you people here in this thread would make better HotS devs than these guys. I genuinely believe that. I feel like they don't know what the fuck is going on with their own game.
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>>173580782
It was leaked in another language and in some newsletter along with the Overwatch Battleground.

It was also leaked in this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scc3UmLmoIs&t

It's also confirmed that the hero after Genji will be a female thanks to the other language thing again.
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jesus christ
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>>173581321
how horrifying
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>>173580980
theres this weird feeling where dev's all over the place dont seem to be balancing games effectively
i dont get it, the only thing thats consistent is Fun is being dropped
SFV is a shitshow
Overwatch is bonkers
League changes jungle every damn season
and heroes just fucks with talents way to much

i dont understand
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>>173580782
They played him at the event alongside an Overwatch themed map.
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>>173579612
Thanks for making it extra funny
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>Not even a duoqueue on our team
>Get teamed up against a duo AND a 3-man stack
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>shitty butchers all day in qm
>hotsg talkin smack about butcher all day
>"time to show everyone how butchering is done"
>queue pops
>3 level 6s on my team
>other team is a 5man group
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>>173582635
>fukn noob butcher report pls gg
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Wait will all the master skins no longer require level value to purchase in 2.0?
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>>173584421
Nope. Just shards for individual tints.

>log onto ptr
>open chest
>Duplicate Dehaka! +400 shards!
>each "Master" tint is 100 shards

I'm diggin' the new system.
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>>173584649
So then how am I suppose to show off my dominance and expertise in all of my Ragnaros mirror match-ups?
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>>173584758
>master skin
>dominance and expertise
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>>173584421
Yes. No more level requirement. Just need enough shards or whatever currency you can buy them with.
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>>173584795
Do I at least get sometime for owning the skins before 2.0, so I didn't just waste 10k gold and time grinding out to level 10 on Tassadar for nothing?
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>>173585037
>Do I at least get sometime for owning the skins before 2.0, so I didn't just waste 10k gold and time grinding out to level 10 on Tassadar for nothing?
You already got your 1250 gold, what else do you want you entitled prick?
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is it just me or is cassia kinda bad
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If forced 50 isn't real then how do you explain THIS?
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>>173585132
>spend days leveling up a character and 10k gold for a really special skin
>blizzard takes away everything that made it special and makes it the cheapest skin
>"Here's your 1250 gold, what more do you want you entitled prick"
How about not making the skin I worked so hard for completely fucking worthless. Nobody would have ever bought them if they knew all meaning would be taken away from them in the feature.
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>>173585694
Who said it's not real? If anything, Dustin said it's real.
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>>173585746
You got to pose with your "skin" you """"""worked hard for"""""" before the patch hit.
>bu- but muh investment should be eternal
Oh fuck off bitch. I paid literal money for skins, money I actually worked for. Now everyone can get them. So what? I'm not gonna throw a bitchfit.
God, I hate people who play games for anything other than fun. Completionists, elitists, bronzenists, you all fucking suck.
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>>173586269
What point are you even trying to make? Everyone who earned the original skins are now getting fucked over. It was a nice reward for someone who was dedicated to any specific champion. Now everyone who earned it had their reward turned useless. And I think that's stupid. At least have something to replace the reward instead of just completely getting rid of it.
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>>173585746
its worth a couple of shards though.

>>173586829
it was a gold sink, you fell for it. suck it up.
nobody complained when blizzard suddenly released a blizzcon exclusive mount for a week costing 20k gold.
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>>173587019
>nobody complained when blizzard suddenly released a blizzcon exclusive mount for a week costing 20k gold.
Yeah no shit because everyone wanted that. I'm sure there are a handful of people who are upset their exclusive mount isn't exclusive anymore.
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I want a tv-show were grandma Cassia and grandpa Reinhardt go around the city and beat shit up.
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>>173585694
>team league
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>>173587710
>not playing team league with your pals
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>>173587187
Are you the type of person to complain about hero prize reductions, too?
I mean, you "worked hard" to get those 10.000 gold, it's only right that you get something back when the cost goes down to 7.000? If not, everyone should have to pay your prize for it, it wouldn't be fair otherwise!

Ignoring that you got to play that hero for longer than those that had to wait fir the reduction.
I wonder if this applies to master skins too, hmmm...... ....
...
..... mmh.. it
does...
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>>173576087
In addition to what >>173576282 and >>173576502 said, it's kind of a halfway point between LoL and Dota, but goes off in its own direction. Damage output is more on par with LoL but CC durations are closer to Dota, save outliers like Doom and shit.
Definitely a lot faster-paced though, the laning phase is nominal and people will three- to five-man roam even 1 or 2 minutes in. There is benefit to being in lane though, having at least one person in range gets your team XP, much like individual XP in Dota/LoL, except having 2+ heroes doesn't really harm anybody outside of them not being off the map or ganking people. It's very similar to current Awesomenauts if you've ever played that, maybe a little slower than that.
You can't really 1v5 in this game, but at the same time there's somewhat more outplay potential if only due to the fast turn rates, lack of huge cast points, and better micro controls. Also very hero-dependent because of talents and mobility skills, but not to the degree that it is in Battlerite where a character with no sustain just auto-loses 1v2 whereas something like a Rook, Ruh Kaan, or Pearl can make a comeback.
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>>173581659
I can't even be jaded after going through Dota's fucking shitstorm of patches over the last 2.5 years or so. All of those games have a lot of bad patches but Dota 2 is "Throwing the Baby Out with the Bathwater: The Movie: The Game" at this point and it's getting really fucking old when they turn it into a completely different moba every ten major versions, then quickly diarrhea out 5 more patches in a month to put out the fires they started.

It's like looking at the US state of affairs after living in North Korea for 20 years.
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>when ur soaking your lane to hit 10 and she hit u with the RAWR :3c

I wanna like Oddish cuz she seems like a cool gal but THIS SHIT HAS GOT TO STOP
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>>173587262
Cassia is Sonya's sugar mommy and you know it. Shes rimming that ass and milking that dick on the daily.
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>>173578975
>>173579612
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>>173590281
He's quite the homo
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>>173591051
>check her twitter
>pic of her next to some kind of latino manlet

How is she so tall
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>>173590412
I will never understand why people pick that spell that easily can get fucked over.
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>>173591109
S-she just got l-lucky, s-she's a beautiful girl at 6'4
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>>173591312
I want to get on a chair and kiss her on the cheek!!

>>173591284
dude free 1.5K damage lmao
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>>173591284
not every hero can evade it, some are straight up fucked
its more of a qm pick though
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>>173585694
Recently won 5 Teamleague games in a row, 6th game we got a godlike Vikings on the enemy team, and we had 2 teammates who literally started suiciding 6 minutes into the game
I'm glad I don't take ranked play seriously, I just want to finish my placements and be done with it
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It just occurred to me Xul's problem is the same as Gazlowe's. Shit teamfight potential.

Poor fucking Xul. Power creep is fucking garbage.
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>>173592821
>Bursting Bones
>Giant's Curse
>Executioner

flat out kills any tank that isnt Johanna
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>>173579591

Knowing when and how to contest can be tricky. With the right comp you can "let" the enemy take one while you push lanes/take forts and give yourself a neat exp advantage so the next tribute team fight goes in your favor.
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>>173592821
Xul's problem is that he got nerfed
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>>173591284
I'll take it anyday just because it's so much more fun to use. Phoenix is technically better but it's so flaccid, you just throw it out and and it's projectiles have as much force behind them as a ranged creep.
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>>173593937
Fun is fine but its still very easy to negate the ult with most heroes even if they don't have a way to evade they just stun you or have a healer bring them up enough. With Genji he will probably be able to reflect it back at you.
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>>173594875
>Genji reflects a lvl20 Pyro back at KT and kills the entire enemy team
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>>173594875
If he reflects pyro that's fine, it's one hit and you can block it with mana shield. But if he reflects phoenix that's 8 seconds of area denial.
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>>173535905
I don't think you understand. Probius was teetering on the edge, he was actually really strong before, too, but he required a lot of effort to pull through.
Now?
Oh, man. The people who were learning have learned him, the people who pick him up get an easy ride, and the enemy team can't do anything but cry.
It's not that he was "buffed so hard", this is the power of a solid kit. You can see similar things in many other games, in which it will always either be "too weak" (requires effort) or "too strong" (slight buffs put it over the edge).
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>>173595101
Well everyone should know to bait his reflect if he can even reflect phoenix then cast it.
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I don't get why shitters and newbies play a hero on free rotation and beg for buffs.

It happens every fucking week with a different guy.
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Besides a 2k gold reward, do you get anything else for getting a character to level 20?
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>>173592821

Not every hero is or should be good at team fighting. Xul does what he does great, and what he does is not 1v5 cleave everyone without a heavy frontline.

That being said, Xul is better at teamfighting than most specialists, but he should really be utilizing trait in two lanes at any given point or you are wasting your potential.
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>pvp
>expect to see "top in game" in all three normal categories like usual
>first is top siege
>second is top damage
>third is top heal
>top heal
12% of my team's healing provided by shield pylons, of all things.
No fucking idea how that happened.
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Is it true that they're adding Superman to this game?


-Steve
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>2.0 upcoming incentivizes not accumulating XP
>finally start playing my level 20s again
>have a blast because I leveled these guys to 20 because I fucking loved them
Shit, XP caps are gay.
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>>173595720
I think stitches should get some buffs. Been playing him all week and I find him fun to play but there's absolutely no reason that Slam should be such a garbage skill that it's not worth the mana to cast until you put 5 talents into it. Late game when you have crippling mega slam that infects people for like 500-600 total damage a swing it's really good. But if you don't pick up slam/vile gas talents it's like 200 damage every 6 seconds and you can't clear minion waves at all.
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Reminder that this is EASILY the most underrated hero in the game
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>>173592821
>literally guaranteed 1.75s root
>"shit teamfight potential"
Dude he's setup supreme. He protects his allies with attackspeed slow crippling heroes like Illidan and Butcher, and his scythe hits for appreciable damage.
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>>173596807
He's garbage. His entire kit and damage tuning is balanced around Black Pool, making him awful all around.
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>>173596880
Which sucks since demonic invasion is pretty good. It'll push a wave like lava wave and soak up tons of shots like the zerg, if you leave them unattended they melt through forts. But then orb does less damage than a single auto attack from someone like Thrall or Alarak.
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>>173595993

I once got "top heals" as Tyrael.

There was a Tassadar in our team.
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offtopic question, why /sc/ is so autist and mods allowed?
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>>173596731

Probably not

- God
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Rag, yay or nay?
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>>173599250
more like gay haha
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>>173599371
excellent post
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>>173599250
Even after repeated successive nerfs, he's still a strong, versatile hero with flexible application.
Of course, having an ultimate-tier trait helps a lot.
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>Enemy Cassia completes her Q quest by level 10
>I usually can't complete it until level 16

Jesus Christ
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>>173602262

>enemy kt completes his flamestrike quest 5 mins into the game
>our kt never completes it, still goes full flamestrike build
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>>173602925

>picking convection ever

laffin at both of them
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>>173603605
It's decent if you can land your fucking Qs and your enemies, for whatever reason, lack adequate dive to interfere (necessitating Mana Addict). Gives him a serious mid-game power spike.
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>>173603769

Sear Flesh does the same effect and gives Kael defensive capabilities he wouldn't otherwise have, as well as freeing up for you to take a Gravity laspe talent instead of Mana tap.

Convection is a shitter pubstomp "win more" talent that makes you near uselessly passive in the early game for a power spike that falls off.

Flamestrike damage is great without it, there is no need for the greedy talent at level 1 making you a huge target for hard rotates and ganks.
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>>173604391
>literally everyone in Diamond and above is stacking Convection
>HURR DURR ITS BAD CUZ I SAY SO
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>>173604501

You'd be surprised just how mindless some talent choices can be at every level.

Pickrate is not always indicitive of talent power.
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>>173596731
literally after maive who is after genji

t.janitor at blizzard
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>>173604689
>actual grandmaster players are wrong and stupid, unlike me, the enlightened plat 4 god
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>>173604391
>mana tap
lol
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>>173604756
nice try jani but my dad, working for activision, told me it's going to be someone nobody expects.

Natalya
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>>173605593
I'm never going to clean your dad's work space now so she will never be finished
psshhh... nothing personnel... kid
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>>173605593
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>>173604898
>GM indicating being good
Tell me about these great Butcher meta picks, About the thousand of GM Medivhs never completing Master's Touch.

In shitter league that is everything below masters, where Kael gets forced to solo lane because nobody drafts a solo laner when needed, combined with a map like warhead junction or meme bay you might as well ignore the talent you are not going to complete anyway.
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>>173606161
Heroes of the Storm doesn't have an established 'meta' that's well understood by the community

League of Legends has it's Top, Mid, Jungle, 2x Bot
each player has a generally well understood role
>top is tanker duder
>mid is burst duder
>jungle can be tanker/burst duder as needed
>'marksmen' kill towers
>support keep marksmen alive until fed


DotA has it's established lanes, as well as a roster of hero that fulfil those lanes
>Short/Safe lane
>Hard lane
>as well as roles for heroes like 'offlaner' with good escapes

HotS doesn't have that clearly laid out (and the important part) NOR DOES IT CARE TO TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT IT
at least with the League or DotA community, they will flame you until you fall in line and follow those lanes/role set ups
in HotS, it's pretty much whatever the fuck goes, and no one bothers to improve or make it better, because if everyone is a shitter, they can continue to blame others instead of their lack of skill
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>>173606801
Yeah, it's something I've grown to enjoy about League. The structure, even if people occasionally deviate from it.

Outside of the solo laner (which often isn't even drafted at low mmr) everybody just sort of goes wherever. Match starts, everybody goes mid, plays aram for 30 seconds before hopefully going to soak lanes.

Feels like a bit of a disorganized mess, even if I l like the rest of the game.
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What retarded shit are you even talking about. GM KT it's a tossup between Convection and Mana Addict.
Nobody ever picks Mana tap.

The build is always flamestrike with e on 4 and either talent on 1.
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>>173606161
This.
Anyone else who thinks otherwise is actively defending the ideology of mindelessly following icyvein guides. Which is real strange because doing so is constantly claimed to be a terrible thing.
Blizzard's idea of a carebear mmr system is fundamentally fucked but that makes it easy to spot any faggot sucking the dick of their grandmaster friendo.
>>173606801
This is a good post. It outlines one of the main reasons why this game will stay casual in comparison to those two. It's not a bad thing to be different but there are too many players who expect the same.
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>>173604391
>Sear Flesh does the same effect
Sear Flesh and Convection don't compete. In fact, they stack additively, creating devastating overall flamestrike damage.
>and gives Kael defensive capabilities he wouldn't otherwise have, as well as freeing up for you to take a Gravity laspe talent instead of Mana tap.
All of which can be totally meaningless in a decent game where you zone properly and manage your MP like someone who's not retarded.
>"win more" talent
Fundamentally impossible, as it just adds damage to your kit, thus resulting in more and faster kills both player and computer. How is it win more to kill units that would survive otherwise? You could conversely argue that Mana Addict is a do-nothing talent because you position excellently and nobody ever injures you enough to benefit from the shield at all.
>Flamestrike damage is great without it
And reaches absurd with it completed and Sear Flesh, allowing Kael'thas to fling blasts that approach Chromie's output at a much higher pace.

Jesus. It has its fucking place for a Kael who wants their long range game to be that much deadlier. Just because some shitters can never finish it doesn't make it a bad talent.
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>>173607215
Icy Veins guides are terrible because they are written by Kendric, a massive shitter with no idea about this game.
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>>173606161
>Tell me about these great Butcher meta picks
Okay.
Butcher is a stellar hero who suffers from many glaring vulnerabilities, but when those vulnerabilities are not in play, he feasts and destroys like the rioting demon he's meant to be. He's a very strong hero who is very easily countered. Thus he has his place as a very potent last-pick in draft, when the enemy team has left the gap for his selection.
>About the thousand of GM Medivhs never completing Master's Touch.
What, you think they don't? I see it completed every other game with Medivh, and obviously, when they don't complete it, they're usually the losing team. The Master's Touch is a dangerous gamble that can and does pay off.
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>>173606801
everybody can learn the meta of a single map but we got 12 which all require a different meta and a different draft.

now add a players who don't know what role their hero plays like solo lane sylvanas on infernal shrine because muh split push instead of doing what she should really do. help win immortal to snowball with it.

climbing HL is a grind, not a feat of skill once you've read how the game works.

>>173607726
>butcher is a stellar hero
yeah when the enemy is incapable of moving because his mouse batteries died.
>no survivability.
>no escape.
>pathetic single target stun which your support can never miss to cleanse because it telegraphs as badly as xuls bone prison.
>needs to farm for 3/4 of the game to become viable while nazeebo destroys with half the effort.

>>173607702
the fact that he manages to reach GM every single season should tell all you need to know about Grand Masters.
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>>173608223
The lower your MMR at masters the easier it is for you to reach GM.
t. Master with bad MMR
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>>173600215
stop sucking up to me it wont work
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>>173608223
>yeah when the enemy is incapable of moving because his mouse batteries died.
Or, perhaps, they cannot move because they are hooked on a tether. Or because the Butcher moves faster than them when they're branded. Or just because they're fucking dead in a split second, as Butcher's job is to utterly delete squishy heroes who are out of position.
>>no survivability.
Except his W. You know, the core of his entire gameplay.
>>no escape.
He's a do or die hero.
>>pathetic single target stun which your support can never miss to cleanse because it telegraphs as badly as xuls bone prison.
Good thing it has a lower cooldown than cleanse, huh? And if cleanse is baited out on a typical stun, that sets them right up for the ult that traps enemies in a tiny arena.
>>needs to farm for 3/4 of the game to become viable while nazeebo destroys with half the effort.
You and I play Nazeebo very differently since he should be farming just as much as Butcher if not moreso, as his stacks don't end. Also, a quick and efficient Butcher can easily finish their meat quest by 9 minutes or so with only a handful of lucky kills.

So, in other words you clearly only have experience with Butcher as an idiotic first pick (which GMs don't do) or in QM (lol).
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>people defending convection
>people thinking playing without a level 1 talent for 10 minutes is okay
>people thinking the risk of playing so passively is worth it
>all the while theres a quest talent on the same tier that you can: 1. complete faster 2. grants stoneskin 3. doesnt reset progress on death 4. gives you more mana regen then you can spend

to top it off, using the argument of
>filter hotslogs by master league
>but look at the pickrate, dont look at the winrate pls
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>>173609412
>convection is bad
Guess what retard you aren't supposed to pick a talent every game.
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>>173609412
>people thinking playing without a level 1 talent for 10 minutes is okay
You get damage for every stack :^)
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>>173609412
>>people thinking playing without a level 1 talent for 10 minutes is okay
Good players can finish it faster than that.
>>people thinking the risk of playing so passively is worth it
In most cases, playing cautiously on a low HP mage with effective poking ability like Kael'thas is much better than playing recklessly because he is hilariously easy to obliterate.
>>all the while theres a quest talent on the same tier that you can: 1. complete faster 2. grants stoneskin 3. doesnt reset progress on death 4. gives you more mana regen then you can spend
Mana Addict doesn't give mana regen (it gives sum total mana) and if you need a stoneskin then you're admitting you cannot trust your team to keep the enemies away from your supple anus.
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>>173609637
He makes shit arguments but so do you anon.
>if you need a stoneskin then you're admitting you cannot trust your team to keep the enemies away from your supple anus.
t. bronzie
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

When is 2.0 coming out
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>taking flamestrike talents when you could be going all out on bomb
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>>173609986
Kael'thas is one of the best heroes at zoning out others and laughing as they burn to ash while trying to approach him. The entire reason to play Kael'thas is to fuck people up while steadily walking in the other direction as they scramble in your wake.
Sure Li Ming can beat him at his game and some too-nimble heroes like Illidan can ruin his day, but those are games where you don't take Convection. Talents are not some set in stone thing.
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>>173609489
i didnt say it was bad, its just significantly worse
in every game, no matter the map or comps
>>173609637
>Good players can finish it faster than that.
like what, 8 minutes?
>playing cautiously on a low HP mage with effective poking ability like Kael'thas is much better
and then you have to be even more passive and useless, because you absolutely must stay alive. also, kt isnt a poke mage, hes a stun mage therefore good luck landing a stun from a screen away.
>you cannot trust your team to keep the enemies away
have you ever played hero league? can you ever say that youre 100% confident people know how and will try to save you?
>>173609986
if my arguments are shitty, show me yours
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>>173610139
>when you could be going all out on bomb
But... but you can't. There's like 5 bomb talents, and 3 of them share his level 13 tier.
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>>173609986
>>173610198
I missread, made it sound like you should never take Mana Addict because if you play properly there's no reason you'd ever need it.
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>>173610098
2 weeks
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>>173610205
There's situations where you don't need Mana Addict.
As in there's 0 chance for the enemy team to dive you except when you lose the teamfight.
Guess which talent you take there.
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>>173610205
>like what, 8 minutes?
Fastest I've seen it cleared was at 4:30. That was a hilariously short game as a result as +200 damage is a huge chunk at that point.
>and then you have to be even more passive and useless, because you absolutely must stay alive. also, kt isnt a poke mage, hes a stun mage therefore good luck landing a stun from a screen away.
KT is a stupendous poke mage. Flamestrike has a mere 7 second cooldown! Yes, his stun combo is the meat of his killing blow, but that's to be used at enemies coming your direction anyway.
>have you ever played hero league? can you ever say that youre 100% confident people know how and will try to save you?
Certainly, you cannot completely rely on others. But sometimes, you can. Sometimes that Dehaka will properly be in front of you, stun dragging people into your killbox, or that Malfurion will be pumping you full of mana juice letting you cast with utter impunity. And guess what talent helps you more when they do?
>>173610316
Not so much as never take it, but at the acme of skill (mythical) you would have no cause to take it. Obviously, there's times where you want to lean towards offense, and lean towards defense. Talents are fully intended to change with the circumstance.
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>>173610691
There's no level of kill where you'd never take Mana Addict. There's comps where you aren't fully safe, no matter how well you or your team plays.
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>consider your flame... extinguished!
>we should recruit these mercenaries... HAHA!

I honestly don't remember much from Warcraft III or WoW, did Kael'thas always sound this goofy?
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>>173606801
it's because there's like 50 different maps and laning lasts at most a third what it does in other games and you have to rotate to the first objective and then back in the middle of laning

you try and figure out what's "correct" through that mess
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Did they ninja make Samuro clones smarter in any recent patch?

I've played him again after a while today, and I swear they did try to focus whatever I was attacking; like, they'd chase one guy when I was just moving around juking, but the second I attacked a different hero, they all backed up to attack my target. And it happened several times, like scripted.
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>>173610691
My record is 3.05.
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>>173610954

>not already using illusion master

wew
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>>173610916
MERELY
A
SETBACK

I think WoW turned him into a walking meme.

>>173610985
Nice.
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>>173610985
the fuck
did 1 idiot just sit there and let you blast him back to back or what?
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>>173610916
He was extremely grim in WC3 because he was fresh from the destruction of Quel'thalas. He was much more spirited and bombastic in WoW.
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>>173611231
>Samuro clones
>Azmodan's fat arse
>Brightwing probably cuddling with the above

I could see it.
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>>173611231
Samuro and Thrall mostly.
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>>173611231
Samuro's a hell of a drug to anyone who has "hit X heroes with Y" quests.
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>>173607384
It should stack indefinitely after quest completion imho. Like Hammerang, Runic Blast and so on do.
Alarak's Q quest should also stack indefinitely.
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>>173611330
>samuro
oh that explains it

>tfw getting ganked by samuro as sonya
feels so fucking good
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>>173611529
>phantom pain
>way of illusion
>out damage the spin

niceu
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>>173610985
>samuro
I love taking the W quest on Chromie when I got a Samuro in the enemy team, only way to really get the quest done in any reasonable amount of time
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>>173610515
i must admit i was wrong, im sorry
there is a situation: samuro for easy stacks, in additon to an immobile tank like johanna, and 0 stealthers on the enemy team. i would consider it.
>>173610691
>Fastest
why are we talking fastest? thats not an argument. its not a measure. its a record youve seen. the average isnt even close.
>KT is a stupendous poke mage
he really isnt. you can poke on a hero without him being a poke hero. he is much less mana effective than li ming or chromie. even nazeebo has better poke.
>Certainly, you cannot but sometimes you cant
i just want to win the game, be present without having to back for mana, and overall have the red button to press if zeratul jumps me, and im not willing to take chances. using your example, it will still help because malf could D someone else.
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>>173610916
His mercenaries line always sounds like a 60's salesman to me.
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>>173611915
Look, nobody's saying you're wrong for valuing caution and emergency options, but unless there's a clear (5% or more) winrate gap there's no reason to inanely hate on a perfectly viable talent selection. There's times and places for both, hell, there's times and places for Fel Infusion too (when things are just too hectic and you need the uncompromising +damage however slight).
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Are the Lunar skins gonna be in 2.0 boxes or are they forever stuck behind $10? They look great but fuck the price.
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>>173612302
except at the people were actually trying to prove me wrong
>dude you can finish it fast
>dude throwing your D-Q from the backline is good
>dude the tanks will peel for you
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>>173612657
Are we going to continue to get those weekly 50% off sales?
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>>173612657
Yes they will.
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>>173612657
I just realised we need a new li ming skin, how many does she have with 2.0, like fifteen? We need more
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>>173612701
Convection CAN be finished fast, Kael works out perfectly fine as a poker like that even if he drains mana faster than Li Ming, and having faith in your teammates in a team based game is just something that you must hope for sometimes.
So all in all, nobody's wrong here. If you believe you can finish it, and then make use of it, take the damn quest. If you don't think you'll finish it, or make reasonable use of it, or you fear the reprisal of the enemy team, don't take it. Talents are not a gun held to your head.
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>>173612814
We need a super lewd Li-Ming skin. Seeing through her Star Princess dress is kinda close, but we can go lewder.
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>>173612657
Why did worst girl end up with the better Lunar skin?
Jaina would look much better with this one.
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Nice balance jizzard
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>>173613094
>worst girl
Say that in the Nexus fucker and not online and see what happens.
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>>173613194
You shitter have by far a better comp and you lost vs monstrosity lmao.
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>>173613261
*gets a reset off of him*
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>ragnaros player disconnects as soon as the game starts
>baby sit the bot with valeera
>it constantly over extends and baits people to attack it
>once even pulled 3 heroes after him from enemy keep to our fort and got them all killed when rest of our team came
>literally win the game by ganking people who come to try to kill ragnaros
I bet the bot was better than the player would have been
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>>173613261
>tfw no good Li-Ming porn
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>>173612782
No. But you can buy a single tint for 33% off the current price if you're poor, so it depends if it's better or worse for you.
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>>173612898
anon, im not trying to get advice here on what to pick at level 1. i already know what to do.
im making an argument that you should not take convection in 99% of the situations. you cripple both yourself and your team if you die, its harder to complete, and it might be worth it if it wasnt competing with mana addict.
you can repeat `but muh special circumstances` as many times as you want.
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>>173613194

>losing against that enemy team

Its not blizzards fault they literally cant match you against worse players
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>play Valeera
>get evi talent at 20
>delete full hp Valla before the stun even runs out
Valeera is going to get hit hard with the nerf bat soon, right? That's happened to all heroes I found fun to play
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>>173613904
>Its not blizzards fault they literally cant match you against worse players
it literally is
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>>173613964

If thats happening often then youre in QM or playing with downies
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>>173613194
You seem to be under the impression that
1. Blizzard cares about QM balance
2. Blizzard SHOULD care about QM balance.
3. Anyone here cares about QM balance.
Dont complain about eating shit if you do it willingly
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>>173613824
Then you're just fucking wrong and you're arrogant as hell about it.
Here's the truth of the matter: you should never plan to die and if you complete it in a timely manner (which is eminently possible) you become a flaming overgod who tears bloody chunks out of any non-tank who dares to get within your blasting zone. Some people enjoy a good offense as their defense, and that's an entirely valid strategy in a game about killing to win.
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>>173614058

Maybe bots are more on your level? :v)
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Anyone else having trouble starting the game? (EU)
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>>173614364
no just booted mine up
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>>173614154
you need a counter argument to prove me wrong. saying stuff like `offense v defense` means nothing, your Q still deals good damage, and having more mana is certainly not less offense unless there is a hidden meaning behind that meme of a phrase you keep using.
you seem to think that by using words that a child would use like `le flaming over good who tears bloody chunks` makes a good argument, but it doesnt.
also, no one plays to die, but its a game where you can die, and its reasonable to count on dying as a fragile mage.
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>>173613731
>tfw theres solid 3d pron done by the guy that does overwatch 3d porn, and I usaully don't even like 3d pord, BUT HE NEVER DOES FUCKING CREAMPIES BECAUSE FUCKER CAN'T BE ARSED TO LEARN SOME FUCKING MAYA nPARTICLES!
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>>173614364
Can't connect to Blizzard servers to log in.
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>>173614757
>your Q still deals good damage
But with Convection your Q will deal BETTER damage, therefore securing more kills or winning more battles by the most basic of logical conclusions.
>and having more mana is certainly not less offense
How about the concept of "front-loading"? By loading your damage into a more compressed timeframe (which you do NOT do by accumulating damage over longer periods due to having an enlarged mana pool), you deny opportunities for enemy supports to heal your enemies of the damage you have dealt, and you lower their opportunity to disengage and slip away where your expanded mana becomes meaningless as the fight ends with a failed kill attempt.

>you seem to think that by using words that a child would use like `le flaming over good who tears bloody chunks` makes a good argument, but it doesnt.
And you seem to think semantics will reinforce your own position. But it doesn't.
>also, no one plays to die, but its a game where you can die, and its reasonable to count on dying as a fragile mage.
And yet, you should try not to, and if you have any confidence in your skill, you should trust your own damn self not to. Are you faithless in your own ability?
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>server go down
it's fine we weren't gonna win that team fight any ways
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>>173615402
>Servers down mid game
>will probably be placed in shitter que anyway
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>37 minutes game
>28 to 29
>very close game
>last team fight
>one of them down
>ruskies gotta rusk

fucking hell
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How the fuck do people spot stealth in steam vents? Nobody walked at me to notice by collision and I was stood still
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>>173614990
You gonna give a name?
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>>173585037
>>173585746
>>173586269
>>173586829
>>173587019
You get a better taunt now.

Now all leoric mirrors will know i played him loads when he was op at release.
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>>173615510
Some people don't "spot" you, they just predict you or are otherwise just checking a bush in case you might be near.
Being cautious when the enemy has stealthies is just habit.
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EU servers died?
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>>173615905
Hell, it's dead in general. NA here, can't log in.
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>>173615905
i think all servers just died
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>>173615535
some guy made lewd rigs.

ellowas, tumblard.

Other animators did fappable animations.
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>>173615905
na here, think blizzard in general just died, can't do hots, sc, ow, or hs
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>>173616764

Blizz getting attavked WW3 has begun
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>>173616764
at least wow is working :^)
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>>173615201
>deal BETTER damage
but his damage is fine, its the survivability and mana efficiency where hes lacking, because he has a low health pool and no mobility.
>logical conclusions
you make it sound like its convection vs talentless, and not convection versus another talent. its more damage NOW instead of even spread damage during the whole fight. plus a shield.
>front loading
i believe we are both adressing this all the time in our replies, you just gave it a name now. frontloading versus less strict resource management and survivability. is 200 points of damage really worth it?
>And you seem to think semantics will reinforce your own position
it doesnt at all, i just dont want you to try to appeal with me by telling me that convection is good because it makes you glow red or something
>And yet, you should try not to, and if you have any confidence in your skill, you should trust your own damn self not to. Are you faithless in your own ability?
are you memeing? are you literally saying that you dont die at least once per game, and 0 death games are pretty frequent in your match history? or are you saying that by me chanting `i will not die, i will not die` will make that muradin hiding in a bush from stun locking me and zeratul finishing me off, even in front of my own gate, because the Q range is shit?
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>>173616764
Is it another DDoS from a group of banned babies?
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>>173617084
>-600

Please tell me this isn't a thing. I thought it was just for dodging draft.

Not that the dodge penalty isn't way too fucking high.
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>>173617702
maybe an intern tripped over a power cable
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>>173618505
Yes it is a thing.
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>>173617164
its not
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>>173617554
>but his damage is fine, its the survivability and mana efficiency where hes lacking, because he has a low health pool and no mobility.
And upgrading fine damage to excellent damage is inherently worthwhile nevertheless. It is entirely valid to not compensate for weaknesses, but instead amplify strengths.
>you make it sound like its convection vs talentless, and not convection versus another talent. its more damage NOW instead of even spread damage during the whole fight. plus a shield.
That's even-loading damage, though, which only matters if the enemy team has sufficient sustain to withstand your hypothetically boosted onslaught.
>i believe we are both adressing this all the time in our replies, you just gave it a name now. frontloading versus less strict resource management and survivability. is 200 points of damage really worth it?
That's subjective. As far as the numbers go, it doesn't really matter. It barely affects his winrate at all. Both are extremely viable selections. It depends on how far you want to excel at the damage dealing role.
>it doesnt at all, i just dont want you to try to appeal with me by telling me that convection is good because it makes you glow red or something
I'm using flowery dialogue to emphasize how it improves Kael'thas's ability to secure kills and therefore perform his primary task as an Assassin. Convection emphasizes his killing potential above everything else. Take the intended meaning over the specific words used.
>are you literally saying that you dont die at least once per game, and 0 death games are pretty frequent in your match history?
Or, perhaps I'm saying you should play to avoid dying. Yes, 0 death games are pretty frequent in my match history. It's not that fucking hard, knowing when to back away, when to just cut your losses and not chase a kill, these are all things you need to perform at a Master level.
As is predicting your enemies ambushes.
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Holy shit i can't believe my DOS attack actually worked and brought the battle net down.
I did it to protest the way they want to rip off vet players with the new loot system.
I fucking did it, take that blizz jews.
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>>173619861
They improved the veteran rewards system last week you silly billy. Vets now get unique guaranteed-legendary boxes.
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>>173480613
What do you think?
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>>173619942
Yes, you will get one legendary item for every 100 hero levels. This is a mockery. By the time a new player reaches 100 hero levels he will have like 10 legendary items
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>there's people who find this overedited garbage funny
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>>173619985
Nice.

Any word on when she might be getting a rework?
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>>173612657
They're going to be in boxes but only during those events,
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>>173620105
That's not guaranteed at all.
Also you probably have half the legendary library in the form of heroes already.
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>>173619985

its shit, just like your fetish.
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>>173620305
wait what? heroes are considered legs? what the fuck?
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>>173620462
10k heroes are legendary. 2ks are common, 4ks are rare, 7ks are epic.
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>>173620462
Yes. They are. I bought 2 legendary skin (1600 shards each) just from the amount of owned heroes in legendary boxes the game gave me.
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>>173620462
Yeah, the 10,000 gold ones. And Kael'thas, for some reason.
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>>173620154
Ugh, not soon enough.
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>>173619985
>>173621053
Hey, somebody colored it.

I can't wait until 2.0
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>>173619985
I'll let my dick do the thinking here
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>>173621332
>covered tummy
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Do we know the exact date of when will 2.0 be released?
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>>173621614
Well, it is Rebbit.

>>173620663
Sounds great.
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>>173621725
Does Lili like animals?
This is important.
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>>173621332

>not summer fun

Laffin
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>>173621332
Goodness
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>>173621701

yes we know.
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you inbred furrfags ruining this general since the open beta.
why cant you just fuck off
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>>173622267
Sort of surprised we haven't gotten a "Pool Party" or "Fun in the sun" skin line, desu.

>>173621929
I don't see why not.
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>>173619942
Veterans are still getting fuck all though
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>>173622267
This.
The disappointment is palpable.
>>173621929
She had a pet raccoon for a while. Named it after her brother because she was homesick. It was a complete douchbag to her because the sha was like "this is my nigger now".
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>>173622480
>>173622687
Yes but does she like big animals?

Specifically talking big dogs, horses and pigs here.
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>>173622267
Didier did talk about it a year ago.

Maybe this summer.
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>>173621332
What does the heal target icon look like? The one above your allies' heads
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>>173619942
Veterans are still missing out on a lot of easy to get gems
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>>173622986
A pom-pom of course.
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>>173622816
She had a pet ram with her for a while. Mastered how to ride it in no time.
Also had a pet crane that flies her places out of sheer contempt.
She's not a fan of big cats though. They almost gutted her.
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Is it still down?
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>>173624073
Just like my penis without any lewd lili posts on /hotsg/
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>>173494373
Which character?
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>>173610938
This is partly why I like playiong Dehaka. You can just lane all the way on the other side of the map from objectives, when possible, and keep soaking exp, then just go to the objective when you're needed.

Then the other team loses out on exp, or gets outnumbered at the objectives.
>>
What the fuck am I supposed to do while servers are down?
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>>173625274
Just sit silently on your chair and wait for them come online again. Don't even do anything, just pure, unfiltered waiting.
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>>173625274
Realize you are an old child, denied a toy.
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>play 8 games quest
>servers die after the second game
I guess I'll rush AI games after servers come up
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>lili posting
is she actually fun? never played her
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>>173626143
She is incredibly sexy.
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>>173626143
change her keybind so her W casts it on herself, then all her abilities doesnt require targeting (other than positioning yourself)

Makes her very easy which in turn makes it bearable to play her for 3000 games in a row

Also she is so adorbs
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>>173626143
She's got a fantastic... kit.
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>>173626143
You spam Q for 20 minutes
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>>173626143
Why not find out yourself?
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>>173626143
>>173626143
If you want blinds and both Jo and Artanis are banned, you have lili.
She doesn't really come online until you get W gives Ability Power, and her 1,000 Bullshits was nerfed into a minor inconvenience for the enemy team instead of endless healing.
She rewards good positioning more than other supports but even then doesn't put out enough healing to warrant her as a healer unless you're getting serious value from her blind and/or water dragon.
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>>173626446
Gonna need some proofs on that bold claim
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>>173626751
>If you want blinds and both Jo and Artanis are banned, you have lili.
You have Cassia.
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Who has the highest attack speed in this game, Tychus with that completed quest?
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>>173627452
Tychus with Abahat and Morales Stim.
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Would you a Kerrigan? Serious question.
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>>173627843
ofc
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>>173627843
And gladly die in the process
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>>173627605
and attack speed talent Auriel crown?
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>>173627605
Tack on Rehgar Bloodlust and Auriel Will of Heaven.
With an attack speed of 4 per second base, he'd be getting:
+25% (Master Assassin)
+75% (Stim Drone)
+40% (Bloodlust)
+25% (Adrenal Overload)
+20% (Will of Heaven)
Reaching over 11 attacks per second to a maximum of 8 seconds before Bloodlust wears off, then Stim Drone two seconds later.
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>>173628230
Does a Brawl Bloodlust stack with regular Rehgar's Bloodlust?
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>next overwatch hero is genji

gonna be great to bring more players to this game, but it's gonna suck having to deal with edgy genji mains
>wtf no healer report cant carry shit team
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>>173578975
SHAMALAMALORI
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>>173628702
>he wants the OW audience
wtf anon i hate this game soon
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I just waited literally 30 minutes

How are the servers still down?!?
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>>173629268
post at least the source man
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>>173629268
>implying that's not exactly how I would want it to end
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>>173629268
I was good until the end
That ending was sonic fandom levels of stupid
>>
what do you like to do when waiting for servers, /hotsg/?
>>
Servers seem to be working
>>
>>173628702
He better have "I need healing" as a spamable 2.0 voiceline
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>>173629965
You can't fool me
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>>173613194
Nice PC
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>>173629902
crying that im lonely
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>>173630016
Literally playing right now
>>
https://twitter.com/BlizzardCSEU_EN/status/851538863931740160

>The technical issues we were experiencing earlier have been resolved. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. #BlizzCS
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>>173631003
Nope
fool me once
>>
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>No we lost because you picked Azmo
What did they mean by this?

Also guess divison
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>>173631351
Wood
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>>173631351
Gold

>No we lost because you picked Azmo
I'm going to say that Varian said this.
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>>173628702
I'm just super underwhelmed with the idea of Genji and the overwatch characters have some of the most boring talents in the game. They're all just more of what you already do, there's nothing that changes the way you play or how your abilities work.
>>
THE SWARM INDOORS
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>>173632059
It's Diamond, but you were correct about Varian
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>>173628712
ASS-ANAL-LORE
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>>173632059
>>173633914
He was right.
4 backline against Anub and Artanis + super weak early thanks to Varian and Azmo combined. If you last picked Azmo it was your fault you lost and your numbers don't mean shit.
>>
who here /armchairgeneral/?
>>
When do they award loot boxes based on accout level? Im trying to level to 500 before then.
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>>173634387
I firstpicked ;^)
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>>173631351

>my numbers are high so it wasn't my fault

this is what bronzies think
>>
>win 5 games in a row
>suddenly enemy team has 2 and 3 man parties versus your 5 randoms
>get rolled
Forced 50 still working I see
>>
>>173635806
>be so bad you lose
>forced 50
>>
>me and 4 friends are playing against another 5man
>kinda losing early game
>their auriel picks res
>start getting better
>eventually she overextends way too much to res arthas
>we kill her and arthas and then win game
>all vote her MVP
pretty funny
>>
>>173635987
>implying it's possible to carry 4 retards in this game
I had a Tyrael getting value from his trait all game and Gazlowe getting killed by Valeera while bitching about not being told Valeera was coming for him

Obviously nobody in the team could spot stealth while everyone in the enemy team could, typical forced 50 game
>>
post more lili
>>
Someone link me to Anub'arak and Zagara porn please.
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>>173638250
>>
>>173635987

>dragon shire
>bad fag doesn't ban dehaka, falstaad, rag and lucio
>nobody in my team could play them, I had dehaka but was 4th pick and they 1st picked it
>enemy team composed of dehaka, falstaad, rag, lucio and tank varian rapes our ass for 18 minutes

It may not be forced 50 like in OW, but the MM system does know when you're going to lose, that's why it gives you more points if you somehow win those matches.
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i was playing with masters and gms in my placements and it was nice and all
now that they're done and i've been put in diamond 3, it's half platinum, half diamond and all shitters

what did i do to deserve this and how may i redeem myself?
>>
>>173588140
Once again you miss the point. The point was it's a reward for playing the same hero for a really long time. The gold it cost to purchase is irrelevant.
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>>173638969
Diamond 3 is the highesr you can get. I get GMs and Masters in every single one of my placements as well. You have to just play and grind out games. Fuck Ranked, that shit got tiring and old seasons ago.
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>>173639185
>The point was it's a reward for playing the same hero for a really long time
The point is who gives a shit? Why do you need a trophy for playing the game?
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>>173639547
>if I don't give a shit then no one else can
Arguing with people like you is pointless.
Also the point is FUN. It feels nice to get that skin. Just because you take it as literal as it is doesn't mean it's impossible to see any joy in it.
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>>173638250
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=51420735
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>>173639898
Not that Anon but are you implying your joy of getting master skins is diminished since they are more easily available?
If so, that's petty as shit.
Tough luck.
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>>173634452
i've been trying out Tychus a bit, but I haven't really gotten the feel of him yet. He's not like most ranged assassins I've played.
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>>173486982
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>>173640105
decent
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>>173640673
Do you not understand the enjoy of earning a reward over just buying something cosmetically?
>>
>>173641497
In this case "earn" is a bit generous. You grinded just for the right to pay 10k for a cosmetic skin. I don't see the joy or reward of this.
>>
>>173641497
I would if they rewarded you for skill, not just for sinking hours into the same character.
You can literally lose all your matches with a certain character and you would still end with a master skin eventually.
>>
>>173642609
Pretty sure people are just hating it because they actually had to play the game to get it when all the other skins you just opened your wallet for even if you were level 1. Earn is a stretch, but it at least took some effort to obtain rather then collecting some loose change lost inside your couch and using that for a skin.

Personally, I'm not too salty about the change in 2.0 because I only bought amzodan's master skin.
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>>173643431
I never bought a master skin but I still think it's dumb to get rid of an item like that
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>>173644129
it's ok because in return we get special snowflake taunts instead
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>>173632059

t. Gul'Dan
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>>173642631
I don't think they should reward you for skill because it's pretty difficult to measure. A character like Lunara or Stitches/Dehaka can top the damage charts every game because of how they spread around their poison but the vast majority of that is worthless damage that doesn't mean anything or contribute to getting kills. Wins don't mean anything because you can get carried by better players while being a weight around your team's neck. Awards are random, sometimes you'll be on fire all game but the end screen is filled with losers like revenge kills, escaped deaths, or Probius getting those clutch heals.

But they need something way better than mastery taunts if they're going to try and replace the current system. Maybe instead of unlocking a mastery skin you could unlock a master tint for your spell effects or an alt graphic for your ultimate ability or something.
>>
>>173644129

They aren't going away, they are just pleb skins now.

I'm sure we will get some other special snowflake autism medals other than taunt bullshit at some point, just stay tuned.
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>"You thought you were so clever. That you'd outwit us all. One by one, our bretheren fell into your trap. But not me. I deny feminine benis."
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Valeera is cute!
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>>173645861

butt!
>>
i actually hate all of the supports in this game wtf

i guess li li is tolerable but apparently if you aren't playing lucio or malf you can't win
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Who is your favorite support and why is it not your best frand?
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>>173646392
Auriel, because I love to slap people with ribbons and tie people up.
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>>173646119

Rehgar is great
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>>173646119
>not playing Auriel
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>>173646834
NEW
>>173646834
NEW
>>173646834
NEW
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>>173646392
OH
LET'S
BREAK
IT
DOWN
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Is the average Abathur this bad?
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