/fhg/ - For Honor General

>PK main also plays Shugoki and Valkyrie too
>Defends this as "I BOUGHT THE GAME DON'T COMPLAIN"

Do people actually enjoy playing characters like PK and Shugoki, where they just do the same thing over and over again, and whether or not they win is chance in their favour? Shugoki is absolute fucking nonsense and a pure 50/50 guessing game. Why is it that people who play these characters immediately get incredibly assblasted when you point out what a crutch they are using, even if you're just casually joking?

Repost

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New Executions:
https://youtu.be/Gjb268tpQlw

New Mood Effects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HoYDFKI3I

Pic related is Ubi's official winrate stats

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Really happy for the Kensei mains right now.

3rd for MORE LEWDFICS

>>173267346
>Fucked up the spoiler
>Deleted it
>Fucked up the number

End yourself

>>173267346
https://pastebin.com/QFJTviPf
https://pastebin.com/gaFehsTz
These are my two favorites, and they're never posted anywhere.

>>173267339
If you're on controller, his dash GB is functionally impossible to use reliably. You have to guess where your opponent is gonna attack from. Not a lot actually changed, he still gets creamed by mid-top tier characters.

>>173267065
>PS4 and Xbox communitys still aren't in the op
the bullying of metalkid neverstops

>>173267318
>crows

Fantastic, now uchiha retards can roleplay even harder

>>173267339
The one thing Kenseis asked for were more reasonable openers, and they fucking got them. More routes into their mixups, combined with faster and safer lights, makes this one of the best patches a Kensei could ever ask for.

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>>173267339
Same here, Ken-sama deserved a buff. I'm just worried it might not be enough against turtle players.

>>173267627
>Kensei gets clever buffs that improve his viability
>Lawbringer gets numbers buffs that just make him a bigger bully in teamfights, but just as useless in 1v1s
>Berserker gets essentially nothing

>>173267540
They're bats, not crows.

>>173267783
Shit, you're right, I'm retarded.

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Xth for LAW

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Who's the big winner of this patch?
>Kensei
>Lawbringer
>Berserker
>Nobushi
>Shugoki
>Valkyrie

Who's the big loser of the patch?
>Peacekeeper
>Warlord
>Conqueror
>Revengefags

>>173267749
>They have stated in the past that each character has a dedicated tester
>Lawbringers tester is retarded
>Kensei's tester is smart.

Sort of worried that nothing new will be done to lawbringer now

>>173268043
>Law player is retarded
>Ken player is smart
Sounds about right

>>173267472
What do you mean? his forward dash gb isn't anything special w/rt inputs

>>173268021
>zerk
>winner
lel

>>173268661
I'm asking, of those lists, who was the biggest winner and biggest loser?

>>173268708
Kensei got the best buff I think. Law is certainly stronger but didn't get a lot of really viable new options.

Warlord probably got the hardest nerf, headbutt is WAY easier to punish now.

>>173268708
>winner, kensei and law
>loser zerk

>>173268271
To do it on controller, you need to move your thumb from the stick, to A, to X, all within about 1 second. On reaction.

>>173268021
PK is the biggest winner. Her nerfs are are of absolutely no value and play players can just continue to light spam and zone as usual. She's the biggest winner because she has completely got away with it.

Yes I'm salty as fuck

>>173268817
Or claw the controller.

And even if you're not clawing, that isn't that hard. Move to proper guard, dash with the heel of your thumb, and then roll it and hit X with the tip. EZPZ.

>>173268817
agree that kb&m has it easier, but i'd still say that's easy to do with a controller
just use >>173269046 's method

>>173267270
I play mostly Kensei but I've been thinking about picking up shugoki on the side for 4v4s.
The *THWACK* that you get when launching someone is really fucking satisfying.
Also I have a higher chance of getting fanmail.

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>Lawbringer mirror
>This guy has beaten me before
>Beat him this time
>He quits as I fucking execute him

Jesus, the new Lawbringers are a buncha faggots, even compared to the flamingly gay old ones. They think their ability to shove into lights over and over then bait out a parry with Ad Mortem is some hot, big dick shit.

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>>173267065
>>173267491
>Leave for 1 hour to pick up my gf, anon makes new op.
I'll try again next thread -_-

Nobushi should not get a lethal bleed. Neither should PK, but PK still has to work for it. Bushi can hidden stance side dodge or retreat attack for instant bleed which kills you at low health (the point where your health regenerates, that 1.5 bars, she kills that with a fucking LIGHT ATTACK)

>>173270020
you know you can block right?

>>173269873
>>173267491
I dun goofed.

Post the pasta now so if you don't get to it someone else will. I'll copy it down just in case.

I cant fullblock warden's shoulder now as a conq?

>play on controller
>lose a lot
>people say I suck
>try M&K
>win 10 matches in a row, 3-0
lmfao

holy shit this is so much easier

why didnt you fags tell me

it took a few games of bots to get used to but jesus christ its so much fucking easier on my mind for reactions

Could LB always guarantee top heavy after parry for 45dmg or is it after this patch? Does he have the highest guaranteed damage?

>enter duel playing shugoki
>"orochimain1337" has joined
>herewego.jpeg
>million and a half storm rush cancels then light spam/zone flicker when up close
>not once do I use Oni rush
>keep landing light+headbutt slowly we are both down to 1.5 bars
>tries to flicker zone me
>let him
>super armor eats the hit and I take my free GB
>wallbang
>embrace
>"orochimain1337" has been replaced by not

It wasn't even the OHKO one he was low enough it didn't matter I could have wallbanged into a heavy or done the demon ball and he would still be dead.

People are so bitter.

>>173270171
Not on console.
You know she gets a free hit after her kick? You know she can do side dodge bleed from hidden stance? You can't attack her since she has the parry startup, you can't gb her because her attack is so fast it interrupts it and who the fuck doesn't know how to counter gb

>>173270441
The 45 damage guarantee is only if you parry a light.

>option to disable mood effects
god is real

since all the shitters are now playing lawbringer which class should i change too?

NO PK

>>173270501
You know you can block on console.
You know her kick is reactable.
You know her side dodge bleed is 18 frames on console.
You know you can hit her before she hits you.
You know there is literally no way she can open anyone up right?

>>173270746
Raider.

>>173270746
Kensei

>>173270816
just saying, Mouse and Key is an objective advantage lmao.

If you deny it youre either a retard, uninformed, lying, or a some sort of combination.

>>173270869
never heard of a "ray-dur" class, try again

>>173270746
none all the characters suck now

>>173270508
Oh, does parrying a light and heavy have different vulnerable times? Got any numbers?

>>173270924
thats completely subjective if you take off deadzone and use wired.

>>173270816
>You know you can block on console.
I play Raider and Law Bringer, fuckwad.
>play better character
Then tell Penisoft to get their ass out of there ass and make more interesting fucking characters aside from :Generic Gookweebs and Generic Redditknights.
>kick is react-able
Only sometimes, it also doesn't give you anything so you she can spam it without consequence.
>18 frames
That's faster than my guard switch. See also her long range poke which is faster still.
>hit her first
You mean whiff the 10 feet of distance between us? Or do you mean get parried because she's in hidden stance waiting for me to make a move with my slow ass character?
>literally no way she can open anyone up right?
Which is why she doesn't try and just pokes while running away, right?
Parries don't give me anything, not even as LB can i close enough distance on her ass.
And don't even get me started on how everyone and their fucking cousin knows Raider's overhead light.

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>only just now notice that Lawbringer rotates his pollaxe to use the hammer end instead of the axe end for top stance attacks
>realize that this explains the stun on his top heavies

Versatile...

>ken gets finishers off dodge attack
>I can actually punish wardens and warlords now

NOW WITNESS MY TRUE POWER

How exactly does Kensei's deflect work? Does he automatically guard in the direction he dashes like valkyrie and conqueror?

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>>173270992
>>173270746
Whoever this cuck is then.

>>173271575
He maintains his guard even when dashing. It means you can block an attack while dashing, avoiding the stagger frames you usually get from blocking, and GB someone during their recovery from the hit.

I want them to never ever touch Kensei ever again hes literal perfection

>>173271575
No, you need to manually guard in the correct direction.

All Vanguards maintain their guard while dashing, but Ken-sama has Superior Block as a special perk.

Can someone please tell me I'm still interrupted in revenge mode

>>173271871
Is that even listed anywhere. I know it's true from experience but fuck me if it actually says that anywhere in game

>>173271383
>I play raider and law
is that supposed to mean something?
>only sometimes, she can spam it without consequence
you can hit when she is doing the kick she cant spam it and its always reactable unless you suck and get hit.
>thats faster than my guard switch
you have no idea what you are talking about

Not having anyway of opening anyone up is terrible theres a reason why even tho she has one of the most damaging punishes she still never gets used in competitive.

>>173271936
You're still interrupted in revenge mode.

>>173271383
Is this a new spicy pasta?

>>173271102
No numbers, but parrying a light causes the enemy to have a longer recovery time which allows a guaranteed overhead. The heavy parry gives the enemy a shorter recovery time, hence they can dodge it or parry it. After the patch you could just riåoste impale since it's now guaranteed.

>constantly lose connection to the servers because shitty dorm wifi
>lose connection to the games I join because shitty dorn wifi
>shitty phone wifi is even shittier
just kill me

>>173270428
pretty sure they stopped it, yeah
he can't fullblock out of any bashes now

>Play Warden
>Keep getting low level people and shitting on them
>Play Raider
>Keep getting high Rep PKs and shit

THIS CANNOT CONTINUE

Raider buff when?
Varangian Guard outfit for Raider when?

Who do I main
Kensei
Orochi
Lawbringer
Raider will be mained when he is buffed

>>173272919
any good-looking armors for raider at all, when?

>>173271148
>take off deadzone
wait what?

How do I do that?

When im in controller settings on steam setup do i make the deadzone non-existent or just small?

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>Kensei buffed to the fucking MOON
>Nothing whatsoever for Raider

ok, so what are the main differences that the patch has made?

>>173272919
>>173273542
no horns when

>>173272741

If it's any consolation you are fucking up the game for a LOT of other people by trying to play at all.

>>173273590
im talking about console idk

>>173270434

Why didn't you know

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Who stuck on console without the balance patch and practicing new combos here?

>>173273739
my connection and ping are actually great, hell my download speed vary from 4mb/s to 6
it just drops all the time for no reason

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>>173273979
>tfw waiting for the patch like the console pleb I am

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>>173274175
>mfw reading patchnotes
>also mfw remembering i'm on console

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Post fashion

>>173274089
Can you switch to wired? I'm guessing not as that would be the obvious route to go.

>>173273598
all characters that were buffed are all still completely irrelevant in high level play

>>173274383
Kensei is usable now.

Other than that, yeah pretty much.

>>173274459
it'll be nice shitstomping scrubs though.

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>>173274321
Your lawbringer looks crosseyed.

>>173274559
you don't need eyes when justice is blind

>>173270434
your post inspired me to try it out
it's going well
parries are so much easier to do

>>173274356
Satan furnished this dorm room, the ethernet port is behind the closets across the door.

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>>173274321

I'm so glad PK got her side dash attack nerfed
It was so hard to block because it was so fast geez

Her normal light attack spam is really easy to deal with though so I think she is balanced now

Thanks ubisoft

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>>173274321
Which one is more aesthetic?

>>173275340
I like the green one.

lawbringer doesnt feel any better

>>173275340
Red, but green if you could remove those neon stripes

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>>173275320

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Tfw they still refuse to give all the non top tier players a single mix up or unreactable move

>>173275486
Cant remove the mint stripes: there is no solid option for paint patterns. That pattern is the smallest amount possible.

>brawl vs ai is still glitched and gives nothing/doesn't even count toward the order

>Lawbringer has a "are you entertained" emote now
truly the best patch.

>>173276048
I find his vocal bits during the emote to be kind of annoying though.

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did you like the patch /vg/?

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>>173276206
>tfw console pleb

Atleast my Kensei has a spammable emote now

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>Someone ragequits at the last millisecond
>Tries to reconnect
>But we can still move around and attack
It was frozen, but not
No one was kicked, no one could respawn, everything just stopped.

>>173276206
no
law is still shit and the other lowtiers other than raider all got better

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>Dominion as Conq
>Kill Berserker on point.
>Shugoki bowls me over and revives the Berserker.
>Get Demon's Embraced and heavy'd by berserker.
>Get revenge.
>Smash the fuck out of the Berserker, pushing towards a nearby ledge.
>Shugoki tries to demon's embrace me from behind again.
>Dodge, guardbreak, ledge him.
>Mfw
Remove fatties.

>>173276206
No they did a terrible job, basically only nerfed the little offense that was left in the game the buffs are useless

>>173276206
I like how they are happy as if they accomplished something

they literally haven't fixed even half of the problems in this game

>>173276713
>wah they made my free zone attack punishable, now I can't throw it out for free damage anymore
>don't take away my crutch

>white kensei hat brought in retards
>they kept feeding opponents revenge
>lost every game until people got bored of him

>kensei buff
>more retards keep feeding my opponents revenge
>lost every game

please stick to you mains or fuck off

>>173277289
>actually getting hit by the zone
whatever you say shitter

>>173276206

It addresses the Revenge issue.
Something that could have and should have happened within a couple days of launch.

The balance changes are mostly too little, far too late. It is a step in the right direction though.

>>173277504
I'm a day 1 Kensei main with that ornament though

I think zerk is now a top teir shit stomping class for 4v4. Noobs can't deal with this super armor.

>>173276206
You guys got the Kensei buffs and Warlord \ Conq nerfs right, but the rest of the balance changes feel lacking.

>>173278242
>I think zerk always was a top teir shit stomping class for 4v4. Noobs can't deal with this bear trap spam.

Dude I am fucking LOVING this shove into top guarantee. it doesn't always work, but for the 90% of the time when it does, G fucking G. I never played warlord,warden or conq but if this is what they had and still have then holy shit it's literally ez mode.

>why is it so easy for warden to solo 3 people with a maxed revenge build

tell me why it wouldn't matter and I'd still fuck on 3 people regardless of item stats

>try to config my controller to take off deadzones for this game
>all I do is turn down my deadzone
>entire fucking controller is muffed up when im in game for absolutely NO reason
>just give up and try to reset it to default
>..there isnt an option for that
>literally cannot even configure my controller now as no matter what the config is its all fucked up
>just turn off big picture controller config all together cause even when I unplug my controller and try a different its using my configs for my account that I dont know how to reset
nice meme xDDD

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Reminder that if someone claims PK is not overpowered they more than likely play PK

>>173278825
I dont main pk but i think she is definitely not the strongest character in the game.

>>173278701

PEBKAC

> patch says impale and zone is garunteed on parry now
>it's not
> only on light parries like it has been before
wtf is this shit?

>>173278989
She's not the strongest, but her light spam is literally too fast on console to reliably respond to

>>173279047
Nope. Steam's fault. Not mine.

>>173279091
I've been having that with bots where I parry their heavy and go for the imaple, but they dodge it or block it.

Haven't tried it with players yet so I'm not 100% sure.

Did anyone else lose their templar cross pre order symbol? I had my lawbringer decked out in them and now they're gone and not there for me to use

Still can't attack as zeker against any competent player. Mindgames and feints still.

>>173279223
havent been able to land it on anyone i've faced in brawl except this really bad roach

>>173279156
thats completely untrue just a myth from shitters.

The real problem is the online connection can effect the frame rate way to much and so all 15 frame moves can sometimes become unreactable if the player is laggy

>>173279523
she's the best class in the game, she's the only counter to warlord and turtles.

>>173279523
Every single PK I've ever faced on console has light spam too fast for me to keep up with. I'm literally resorting to guessing where the next hit will come from.
I've just taken to refusing to fight PK unless I'm near a ledge

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>>173278701
hmm

>>173279603
yes she has good offense but conqs offense is (was) superior and has better defense.

Warlords overall tool kit and mixups are much better than pks

Shes better than warden and goki

>>173279654
if its too fast for you then adjust your playstyle.

If you cant react in this game then get over being good every character has atleast one move or mixup as fast or faster than pks lights git gud shitter

>>173279523
you are completely retarded

do you know what guard switch speed is faggot?

>>173280130
It's not my problem, it's being literally too fast for console players to keep up with because of the lower frame rate. The indicator shows up far too late.
She's literally banned from console tournaments because of this shit, it's not a rumor, it's not everyone making it up, it's a known fucking issue

>>173280283
yes its 133ms for assassins and 166 for everyone else whats your point?
lights are 500ms plenty of time

LAWBRINGER'S IMPALE AND ZONE ARE NOT GUARANTEED OFF PARRY


UBISOFT'S PATCH NOTES ARE A LIE

THEY ONLY GUARANTEE OFF LIGHT PARRY LIKE ALWAYS.

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>>173279523
PK light spam is literally unblockable on console. Combination of shit netcode/p2p.
The only defense is to roll away.

>>173280301
No it is your problem because plenty of players on console can react to it easily.
Indicators on lights show up on time you dont know what you are talking about
she was banned from one tourney because of shitters losing to pk and her zone.
This is not a rumor and people are not making it up but its perfectly reactable people just like to make excuses why they are shit.

Fuck you TemplarValor, I know you're here.

>>173280410
What? Not only are your numbers wrong, your distribution is wrong: Raider, Law, and Shugoki undergo a penalty for switching more than once in quick succession, which is pretty much always in this game.

>>173280626
>literally unblockable
lol what?
>Only defense is to roll away
or have decent reactions and not play people with bad connection.

>Everyone says Orochi's indicator flicker is fixed
>Go against an Orochi as LB
>When he zones it still flickers

Fuck sake.

>>173280635
>she was banned from one tourney because of shitters losing to pk and her zone.
No, she was banned because the light spam on console is too fast to block.
You're either a retard or a PK main in denial

>>173280761
>console
fuck off, PK shitter.

>>173280735
You mean never...
all you have to do is react to one attack and block it not very complicated.
The differences in switches only occur when you are an idiot constantly switching your guard when the opponent is not attacking

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>>173280626

>>173279985
I tried that. Obviously it didnt work, retard.

https://youtu.be/b0OpitDvbV8

rate my crusaderism

>>173280839
If you read my previous posts i said i dont use pk

>>173280814
If she was banned for the light spam why wasnt warlord? why wasnt berserker? why wasnt nobushi? why wasnt warlord? why wasnt kensei? why wasnt orochi? why wasnt valk? why wasnt law? stfu every character has atleast one 500ms light, this is just a problem with shitters not specifically only pk's lights

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>Roach in chat

>>173280635
>t. pk main

>>173280910
They meant they cant block it so its op not no one can

>>173272089
Fuck me, I meant to ask WHY I'm still being interrupted in revenge mode.

Are heavy attacks still interruptible during start-up in revenge? If so, that's fucking retarded.

>>173281237
>t. shitter

>>173281146
He's right, you know

>>173281090
>Why weren't these other classes that don't have light chains that literally speed up on the second light also banned?
You're a full fledged retard

>>173281383
>didn't deny it

oddgirl pls go

>>173280872
The delay is for changing guard twice. The youtube video that everyone quotes to try to shit on stance delay is factually wrong.

>FIXED: Game sometimes gets stuck for 15-20 seconds on the “Exit to World map” pop-up after completing a match
Hallelujah

>>173280635
it's a guessing game when it comes to pk

>>173281090
Well, I'm glad you showed us all how autistic you are. Thanks.

>>173281467
>admitting that the first lights not the problem
whatever you say shitter. other characters have other things on top of the "literally unblockable lights" some with way better options after a light hit than just a sped up light

>>173280910
>shows webm of the shittiest pk ever for proof that pk isn't op

Alright, got Warden as my knight and Berserker as my Viking. Who should my weebmain be? 8 decides.

>>173281505
changing your guard once and canceling it with another is different from changing it once.
No move is faster than 133ms this literally never occurs unless your spamming guard and try to block an attack right after

>>173281471
>except i said twice in my other replies im not

>>173281621
Nice argument shitter

>>173281604
For you

Anyone else got a strict NAT since the patch? Was green when I last booted

>>173281843
And oddgirl said she didn't play peacekeeper before she was exposed to be a rep 9.

What's your point?

>>173281970
You're literally not worth arguing with. Here's your last (You) from me.

>>173281767
Nobushi

she'll be top or neat top tier now with hidden stance fix

>>173281678
You realize she can literally whiff the first light and hit you with an even faster light right?
Go ahead and post a screenshot of your character list right now. I'll bet anything you play PK. Have the selection hovering over Orochi so we know you're not using a random screenshot

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wut

>>173282130
Really convinced me...that youre shit

>>173281717
>shows webm of blocking spammed lights on reaction
>that pk was shit but other pks are shit because they spam lights on console and its unreactable.

>>173282187
>You realize she can literally whiff the first light and hit you with an even faster light right?
you realize that that wasnt the original argument and you can interrupt the whiffed light into another with any character?

>>173280505
source?

>When you condition your enemy to react on cue to one of your actions
>the moment you switch it up is the moment you land the killing blow

best feeling, fight me if you think otherwise

>>173280505
Are you sure about that? Im on console so i wouldnt know. Could it just be that its only confirmed for shorter range characters?

>>173280910
those aren't the second light in the chain lol

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>>173282003
>Tfw exposed Oddgirl and posted it in her thread
>She casually says she also plays PK but it totally has nothing to do with her being broken
>Retards in her thread eat it up and agree she's not broken even though she's played PK less than her main and has higher win/loss and k/d
Retards can't be reasoned with

>>173282482
>getting hit by the first light allowing the second to hit you

>>173282407
>believing that theres conditioning in this game

>>173282380
Wow really weird how you ignored the part where I asked you to screenshot your played characters. Do it to prove you aren't a PK main like you say

How do you cancel the top unblockable of kensei into a guardbreak?

I was fighting someone who would cancel it at the beginning of the animation (early enough to get the glow and warning) but then would instantly stop and go into guardbreak

>>173282848
Feint

>>173282348
>He doesn't know how to do the secret Fire Push technique

Fucking plebs. I bet you're not even a real Lawbringer main.

>>173282627
you can whiff the first light to land the second, or zone to land the second

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>>173282842
>>173282572

>>173281717
This is just what PKs look like when you block their lights.

>>173282916
Feinting causes it to cancel the animation way later. Like mid jump later

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>took away zerker's heavy>top heavy knockdown punish
>took away his stamina cost reduction during infinite chain
>only thing he gets is super armor on second hit now
>which is completely useless and doesn't fix anything
I was so fucking hyper for this patch. But as a zerker main, fuck this shit.

>>173283208
I never understood why Zerker should have stamina cost reduction on his infinite chain.

redpill me on the faction war
should I care?

>>173283203
This.
If you dont suck you can tell how bad a pk is because they just spam lights and look retarded

>>173282949
heh

>>173281995
I had to exit out of the game and relaunch.

>>173282348
If someone blocks up and you shove the top light it goes through their block. I did this a few times and wondered why it sometimes. Didn't know it was a bug.

Time for turtle meta to intesify.

>>173281970
>having literally one frame on some characters to react is a balanced thing

So is Conq shit tier now? I really don't want to drop my waifu but...

>>173283451
>literally the most wrong post i have ever read

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>shove light is broken in a warlord way
>make way and impaling riposte reportedly doesn;t work
>doubt duels are going to be any smoother


T-thanks...

>>173283295

I never understood why zerker had an infinite chain in a game where simple blocks put normal blockstrings into frame disadvantage.

It's the total opposite of useful.

>>173283208
he can still get top heavy knockdown punish but either than that yea all the buffs sucked

>>173283106
>I play the character that cannot be punished off heavy parries
>I know about balance
Top kek

>>173283796
Who do you play as that you can't punish an orochi when you parry them?

>>173283208
Wait what? I just did a side heavy top heavy punish on someone in duel. But i did knock them down pretty close. Does it not connect anymore on flat land?

>>173283875
I was obviously talking about his rep 10 Nobushi, who cannot be punished off of heavy parries.

>>173283208
You can still get the 96-or-whatever damage exhausted punish. You have to throw directly behind you, and you need to have your stance set to the side you're gonna heavy from before the throw finishes.

>>173283796
>trashing a player that mains one of the worst characters at opening up any opponent
>shes unfair because if you parry her heavies you dont get ridiculous damage

>>173283924
see
>>173283983

You can also still get it off if you knock them down by parrying them.

>>173284065
Oh that explains it. I parry knockdown into the combo.

>>173283619
guardswap time
controller deadzones
latency
input lag
all of these fuck with the timing making it next to impossible to react forcing you to guess

>Go against some bandwagoning Lawbringer fag
>Lawbringer into Lawbringer
>Fucking destroy him mercilessly
>He never feints or even tries to bait into Long Arms despite being Rep 2

It's fucking awful seeing this people playing Lawbringer. They literally only know how to do the dash into light over and over while praying it hits. I'm only rep 3 myself, but that's because I don't or can't play 4v4. When I go against another Rep 2-3, I feel like I am lightyears ahead of them in skill.

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>>173283208
>>173283745
>>173283924
Listen to
>>173283983
This man

>>173284208
>guard swap time
133ms or 166ms lights are 500ms
>controller deadzones
dont have to have them
>latency
barely anything, the effect is irrelevant
>input lag
what does this even mean wouldnt input lag be on pc too, if your talking bout controller than use wired

Best part is even with all of these plenty of actual good players can react block pks lights with ease you just suck

>>173283989
No, she's unfair because if you parry her heavies you get nothing.
>Worst at opening people up
You don't need to open people up when you have literal risk free heavies

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>>173282348
He's saying that LB push now guarantees a light attack if you don't switch guards. I just tested this out a bit against a lvl 3 bot and it seems to be true, which is fucking horrifying. Seems like the buff to the light attack speed on the middle attack of the Heavy-Light-Heavy chain made it fast enough that it lands before the push hitstun is over.

Ubi needs to hotfix that like immediately, guaranteeing a light attack after LB push is fucking broken as shit.

>it's a "you're 2v1ing some guys with an AI as a brawl mate and one keeps running away so you shove the other one off a cliff and they suddenly start calling you mad and try their hardest to kill you" episode
every time lol

>>173284557
>dont have to have them
you lying fuck there's no way to fix deadzones on console

>>173284560
You dont even get nothing unless you are using a short ranged character and even then you take off her stamina.
>you dont need to open people up when you have literal risk free heavies
lol what are you talking about chip is completely irrelevant in this game if thats what you are implying you cant even kill with chip and it would take perhaps 70 heavies to get two bars of chip damage health.

>>173284775
>you lying fuck there's no way to fix deadzones on console
lol what? no you can buy an elite controller or something to that effect on ps4. even then deadzones are such a small factor. sure its a factor but not a i cant block 500ms lights because my controller has a deadzone.

>it's a "guy is trying to spam deus vult so much he starts misspelling it" episode

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>>173284775

>console

You don't matter.
End of story.

>>173284603
it's glorious.

>>173283969
Oh the orochi in the pick threw me off, wasn't paying attention

>>173284930
the whole argument is about pk's lights on console

This patch just broke Lawbringer.

>garunteed light on shove
>no garunteed implae or zone on parry
>are you not entertained emote

t-thanks ubisoft

>>173283715
Because he's supposed to be a harraser type character where he gets up in you face throwing out attacks that you can barely react to, orochi and PKs are counter attackers and so I expect Ubi to have given them related abilities for them to be played as such.

>>173272031
>is that supposed to mean something?
means if I am facing one way, and a fast character is facing another way, I am getting hit.
>you can hit
No you can't.
>she can't spam it
Yes she can.
>react-able
That isn't the problem, the problem is there is no penalty for missing.
>never gets used in competitive
She won a tourney already...

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>>173285184

No.

>>173284917
>There's no way to fix dead zone
>JUST BUY A $150 CONTROLLER TO COUNTER PK
Fucking retards I swear to god

>>173285184
>harasser

Sorry for misspelling the word.

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>>173284528
How did I not know this?

>>173284917
pk's follow up light is 400ms
on console 100ms = 3 frames
the guardswap times are defaulted to 8 frames across all classes but that doesn't count the switch penalty which can be up to 24 frames for certain frames

>>173285536
no it doesnt your block is 166ms as long as you arent spamming it

yes you can she cant cancel it except into another attack

no she cant it costs a lot of stamina, she can only throw it out after a hit, heavy or hidden stance

why would it matter if its reactable? kensei has a very reactable zone that he can spam because it has hyper armor, does that mean that its a problem?
>wins one nobody tourney where nobody knew how to play her
>shes op

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>>173285539
Tongue may have been in cheek when I said that, but to a certain extent it's true, orochi and PKs are counter attackers that are better at just straight attacking than the so called harasser class.

>>173284603
It's not guaranteed. I have seen people block it, though that may be timing.

>>173285550
>literally said even with deadzones and all of the delay you can easily react to it and if you really have a problem with deadzones you can avoid it
>hurr durr i have to buy a $150 controller to block 500ms lights

>>173285998
assassins can block it. it only works on perma guard characters, so everyone else.

>>173286073
it's not the first light that people are struggling with

>>173285867
Ive already went over this a thousand times the switch penalty only occurs when you are spamming guard switch because the penalty occurs when you cancel one switch with another, since every move is not as fast as 100ms this will literally never happen if your not shit.

FYI, Dusk and Storm are properly unlocked for all players. You can now change your team colors and not be locked out of those two colors anymore.

>>173286097
I dunno, I have had a lot of people block it. Shit, the level 3 Valk bot I am facing right now blocks it sometimes.

>>173286293

And knight preorder skins are gone for conq at least

Another item in the litany of nerfs, intentional and otherwise, that conq received

>>173286210
if you dont get hit by the first light then you dont have to ever worry about the second

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TE SECABO

I think this is the best unblockable emblem I can make. If anyone has a better one, hit me up.

>>173286394
they can wiff it

How did they leave Raider alone?

>>173286394
You keep ignoring the fact that they can whiff it

>>173286401
I should call up dominoes and ask about their pizza combo.

>>173286449
>>173286489
and you can punish that with any character

>>173286532
They only offer that IN CHICAGO

so the PK "nerf" was actually just a deflect buff? That's what it feels like, I can still zone just fine, this really only makes it so it's not spam able in revenge as much. But anyone who spams it normaly, is bad.

>>173286384
What are you talking about? I got mine.

I've only played duel/brawl. Some friends wanted to play some 4v4. I legit don't know how to use revenge. Every time someone uses it against me, it's like they're superman. When I do it, I just flail about or they just get out of range. How do you use it properly?

>>173286487
Raider beat conq, a character who was previously 4th best(not top 4 as that implies conq had any chance of beating shugo or PK or warlord, he was solid 4th) but who is now completely irrelevant

I'm guessing that's why they left him be. He had a good match up Vs a previously good character that every scrub complained about way too much

>>173285998
Yeah, now that I've tested it a bit more against bots it seems that the timing is really tight. They can sometimes block it, and I've seem them side dodge it countless times. Dodging it seems like it might have been an option were it not for the fact that most LB players follow a push up with a grab.

>>173286674
its not plus anymore so if its blocked you arent guaranteed a light after. nothing was touched with the deflect. also the zone is easier to react to

Am I gimping myself if I'm using controller on PC? I've seen alot of people reacting and blocking lights so easy, but I have hard time doing it myself.

I actually did a bit better while using kb/m but it was really uncomfortable.

>>173286825
what? a light was never guaranteed after a zone, it was an ez parry if they did, what are you a console pleb?

>>173286293
neat, i was just asking about that the other day.

>>173286809
Yes Vs most of the cast, lb now has a far more deadly version of the mix up that all the shitters complained about conq having

It has slower startup but the mix up part is faster and the hitbox is bigger. I expect to see galahad94 getting a 99% win rate on his streams from now until whenever that changes is rolled back a bit or the game dies

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New berserker here, this hyper armor on second attack is really fun.

Can someone tell me what I get off heavy parry?

Nobushi is crazy fucking good now, holy shit. She's so fucking safe and deals crazy damage. Any attempts to break her are met by a kick that fucks you up HARD.

>>173287043
Not guaranteed hit just uninteruptable
What does console have to do with it?

>>173287324
Heavy parry > GB > Side Heavy or Wallbang Top

If they're out of range for the GB, you might have to take just a light. I don't know for sure what the best thing that guarantees is.

>>173287324
That's a shit conq.

>>173287076
Galahad will refuse to use it most likely, he hates shit like that and always get salty about people abusing things like flicker and unlock "tech".

Why do people play dominion and then just rush in to the closest enemy to fight? The point is to get points, not duel.

Is a Kensei top light not a confirm after a parry? I've had at least 3 blocked

>>173287440
they always call things guaranteed or unreactable cuz muh 30frames

>>173287324
that looks fun
>>173287432
everything she has is still easily reactable highly doubt just making her attacks 100ms less minus on blocks is that significant

>>173287324
>hyper armor on second attack is really

lolwut
it's completely worthless.

>light chain to heavy
>autoparried
>sidedash light to anything
>autoparried
>heavy to start
>autoparried

Even if it were somehow useful for trading, Berserker has a fucking assassin health pool. You lose every trade you make. Hyper armor is a worthless mechanic for zerk.

>>173287634
thats just shitters who like to blame everything but themselves

>>173287578
There's no glitch abuse involved though. Lb simply has a way of starting some serious offense off his push now. Way more than conq ever did

>>173287647
The issue is that she's fucking safe. She goes into hidden stance, you enter a gamble. You try to GB her? She jabs you with a light, every time. Somehow you manage to get in there? GBC. You do a light? Her lights are faster, she hits you. Her kick is nearly impossible to dodge 90% of the time. Dodge at the start? It zooms into you and she gets a free double hit. You dodge at the end? You get hit, she gets a free double hit. You dodge it somehow? Well, you can't punish it, because she can immediately follow up with a light. Or not. Who knows! She was annoying to fight before, now she's horrific.

>>173287625
Just GB into side heavy to get the mixup, you have a dashing GB for a reason

>Fighting Rep 8 Kensei
>3/2 him
>He leaves
>Get him again
>3/0 him
>He leaves
>Get him again
>He closes the game before we even fight a round

>>173287802

Your problem is that you are bad.

Try actually playing Nobu. She is pure gimmick.
Anyone who is willing to run you out of stamina before pressuring wins automatically.

>>173287728
you can feint you know
>>173287802
>She goes into hidden stance, you enter a gamble.
or you can just react to all of her options because they are all reactable and she can literally never hit you.

>>173287959

Hint: If your character has to feint to be useful, it is a shit character.

>>173287905
I play Kensei and Lawbringer, so I can't really pressure her out of stamina. As Kensei, I get nothing off parries either. The best you can do as LB is shove into her over and over, but she gets a free light every time you do that.

>Level 2 PK
>She already has the mythic outfit

Tiersluts pls go

>>173287764
This was clearly not intended. LB having insane parry punishes AND guaranteed damage off an unblockable that can come out instantly from a regular old block. Making light attack guaranteed off push could have been the only change to LB in the entire patch and it would have instantly made him top tier. Now he may very well be the strongest character in the game by a wide margin.

>>173288106
And she left after losing two rounds. At level 2. They sure learn fast, huh?

>>173288030
>if you have to actually try the character sucks
theres something wrong with this mentality

If I get this game for ps4 can I link the ps4 account to my uplay or will I have to start from scratch?

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I just might hit 30 before the patch gets out of cert.

>>173288159
I'd argue removing his stance penalty would have had a similar effect. It would make his turtling incredibly strong.

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>>173288089
This is more of a problem with kensei and law than nobushi. you see you are having the same issue nobushi has which is theres no way to hit each other if they just react to everything.

Side note: you can punish her heavies with kensei and probably can with buffed law

>>173288751
From my experience, all you can get as Law against Nobushi is the riposte, which is nice, but it won't win the match at all. As for Kensei, you can't even get a light out of it. All you can really do is try to parry her lights.

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>>173287494
Thanks senpai.
>>173287529
I think pre-patch my heavy would've been blocked on the startup of that shield bash. Was a rep 11 conq too.
>>173287647
It is fun
>>173287728
Berserker is the feint king. Its very hard to punish a good berserk with parry due to how often they can feint.

>>173288902
you can dash the heavies with kensei.
riposte is a punish thats all you were complaining about.

>>173288159
An unlockable with super armor*

:^D

>>173288978
>conq
>parrying
doesnt he know he gets free parries on his blocks?

>>173288252

I don't mind trying. I enjoy trying.
When I have to try and my adversary does not, I do not enjoy that.

>>173289102
they changed that too this patch didn't they?

Conq got absolutely destroyered, hes not even a one trick pony anymore.

Is anyone else having a problem with performance being utterly shit post-patch?

My game is incredibly laggy / choppy, but it ran fine a week or two ago when I last played.

>>173288978
Right, I forgot about that it's been a lil' while since I last played.

>>173289416
I agree with this but this is what we get i suppose

>>173289448
no hes still top tier and has his parrying blocks

>>173288978
>Berserker is the feint king. Its very hard to punish a good berserk with parry due to how often they can feint.

How does this make 2nd hit hyper armor useful for her?

>Trying to dodge Nobushi's kick as Law

This is nearly impossible. You do it early, she vacuums into you. Do it late, she vacuums into you.

For people on pc, how is the revenge nerf? I'm so fucking sick of getting a Roach one hit from dead just for him to get revenge from injury and kill me

>>173289749
Do it right on time then the law does not abide those who are incapable of being precisely on time.

>Hate every single person I'm dueling
>Keep requeuing after every fight

W H Y

>>173290610
What is the timing, then? She's the only person who gives me hard trouble now.

>>173290671
>Load into a duel as a Lawbringer
>Get paired against a Roach who's fucking turtling
>Literally can't do anything against him
>After I lose wait a couple minutes before searching
>Immediately find him again
I've just started quitting during duels against faggots, leaving them with the ai while I search for someone new

>>173290523

It's perfect.
Still happens if you really pressure people 2v1.
But if you just chill out and play smart it's no problem.

Is the game worth buying off a key seller or is it dying and not worth it?

How do you counter conq?
You can't punish his charge
He can block the side dodge attack if you're playing a character than can do that
If you try to bait a heavy with an unblockable he'll just feint into full block

Just fuck me I need help with this.

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hello /fhg/
where were you when america go to war with russia

>>173291117
Playing Duels.

>go 50-0 against level 3 bots perfect parry their lights and everything they do.
>play against irl person and they shit me over just by spamming lights.

>>173291053

I payed MSRP and have dumped ~150 hours into it since launch. No regrets.

You definitely do have to be willing to put up with some bullshit, but the core mechanics are solid gold tits.

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>>173289639
I just refuted your point that beserker attacks get auto parried. As for how useful it is in the long run? I don't know, I've only gotten lvl 3 so far. I do know it's been super fun in the handful of games played on beserk so far.

So, how's the patch boys? Friend wants to play this weekend and I'm really not feeling it unless the patch was decent. I read the patch notes and it doesn't really look like a lot of the stuff that needed changing changed.

>>173291390

I totally agree that zerk is fun, but as you get even slightly better you are going to find that she gets parried a lot more than anything else.

>>173291394

Revenge is fixed.
Character balance is not a lot better than it was, but it seems like there are fewer PKs playing anyway. Warlord and Warden are slightly less toxic.

>Parry Nobushi
>Can't confirm anything off it
>Nobushi parries me and gets a free heavy
Seriously, why the fuck is shit bullshit allowed?

>school internet doesn't let me host because they don't want to have people hosting torrents
>game keep trying to put me as host
>get so angry around the 15th time I rip the w key of my keyboard
>scare my roommate
I just wanted to have fun
Why is that always too much to ask?

>>173291390
this is useless if the opponent decides to not play the game (just sit there and block)

>>173291607
>Warden slightly less toxic
They didn't even touch Warden in the patch though

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How do I top heavy after max charge?

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>>173291607
>toxic

>>173291608
because she has no way of opening up anyone

>>173291774
You don't max charge.

Let go just a moment after the hyper armor kicks in.

>>173291809

t. Warden shitter

>>173291854
And that'd let me get confirm top heavy after bash?

>>173291941
Yeah. There's a sweetspot: charged enough to stagger them for the top heavy, nor charged so much it knocks them out of range.

You'll learn it. Alternatively, if you wallbang someone with a charge you get the top heavy.

>>173291837
And? As a Lawbringer I have no way of opening anyone up but I'm not given a retarded fucking handicap that makes me unpunishable on parries

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>>173292303

>my class is bad
>your class should be bad too

>>173292498
>Wow it's really OP that Nobushi can't be punished off of parries
>"No it isn't, because she can't open people up!"
>There are other characters that can't open people up that aren't given a retardly OP handicap
>SHUT UP IT'S FAIR IT'S FAIR IT'S FAIR

>>173292303
Have you tried bashing people and following it up with a light? I heard it actually is an okay move now.

>>173292676
Kensei can't be GB'd off of heavy parries
I'm pretty sure that Shugo and Law also cant be GB'd off of heavy parries against some of the cast.

You understand that it's completely matchup based, right? Shugoki can always land a GB.

>>173291607
Is the player base any better/larger?

>>173292771
Apparently its like a 99% chance confirm if it hits

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>LB duels still come down to poking the enemy to death.
>teamfight is stronger

Nice job there UBI

Considering how much LB can combo, what's the most damaging guarantee he can get off?

>>173292771
I'm on console, we don't have the patch yet.
>>173292831
>Kensei can't be GB'd off heavy parries
Yes he can, I do it to him all the time. And for some characters it's not on match up, any character I play I cannot hit a Nobushi after a parry