/domg/ - Dominions General

First for aboleths are OP

Second for MAdman will never start

Third for URUK AND RUS WHEN

>>173222360

Wasnt admin of that dead?

>>173223119
If he's dead in real life that would indeed be a problem.

>>173223251
if it hasn't started by the end of today, Imma send llama an email asking for the admin pw

>>173223340

Ah, an admin coup or as I call it "Lukas situation"

>>173223107
It's funny how Ilwinter doesn't care. Put on the manual that they will do Uruk soon, make some 3 new other nations and ignore Uruk

>>173224060

Well, Ur is a bad and a weak nation is its hardly an issue. Unless they have an idea how to make it interesting there is no point.

>>173223107

We already have plenty of ..rus

>>173226693
we have 2. Same for Machaka. We still need LA Machaka

>>173227554
But I already like it.

>>173221367
How does the axe even reach? The attack shouldn't be able to connect due to the reach limitations.

>>173224764

>Unless they have an idea how to make it interesting there is no point.

erf snek
erf snek-aided expansion into ebdw
good econ means lots of shamans
use d2 swamp recruits as the base to springboard into end game tart factory with GoH from massive N income

ur gudder than u realiz :^)

>>173224764
Ur's core gimmicks are great fun. With some de-goofed sprites, MA technology and more historical references they would be a favorite of mine.

>>173228823
The fossilized giant squats down and duckwalks.

dubs chooses my incomprehensible circle natgen

Air Elementals a shit.

Can there only be one of each Tartarian at the time? I have cast Tartarian gate three times in a row now but no Tartarian.

>>173229408
Someone needs to make a 'take me closer I want to hit them with my sword' for fossilized giants

>>173231549
They are a NetGen unit from last year, they aren't in the game by default.

>>173231495
They're not unique. What you describe shouldn't happen.

>>173231495
Are you arware that they arrive as units, and not commanders?

>>173231735
I know but they've been a meme for as long as Natgen has been around

>>173230282
unaboon or what it's called
trampling pygmies fuckyeah

>>173232730
not necessarily*

>>173223251
I'd like to jump in on the last player slot if he ends up removed from the game, i was on the fence about joining for a while and ended up getting ninja'd.

don't stale desu sempai 3
C'tis 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Tir na n'Og Waiting for 2h file
Ulm Waiting for 2h file
Yomi 2h file received


reeeeeee

>>173239985

All in due time

>>173234169

What

Bamp.

>>173235268

What are the odds anyway?

>>173234169
not on my list try again
if that nation had N, trampling flyers could be something

bumpu

>>173249318
The size 2 trampling fish with swallow on trample.

>>173254873
I hesitated so much to pick them.

>>173254873
I am thinking of either:
-the nation that can get b4 (either the EB giant nation or the DWB lizard)
-the lizard nation that has acid on every mage
-the hoburg nation with D3 and rec any fort ranged sacreds
-the monkey SD nation that has bandar-logs spells
-the centaur/vanir dual wielding centaurids AB nation
-rec any fort sacred tramplers and D4

help, how do I chose?

>>173256298
just pick one nigga, its a goof game anyway. i picked the invulnerable flying hoburgs because of how goofy it was. i think the recruit anywhere ranged sacreds would be neato. do fire/air bless for funsies and free flaming arrows, maybe add in death for even more retarded arrows

>>173258332
And then cry when arrow fend makes them all worthless.

>>173258921
my little niggas got 6 protection and 7 health, theres always a down side. its not exactly a balanced game

How quickly does curse of stones shut down an army, anyways?

>>173260564

Very very slowly.

>>173260564
>>173261360

Its best to stack fatiguing spells, rigor mortis, curse etc

Hey guys. Life got hectic and I won't be able to take my turns regularly for at least a month. I'd like to get a sub.
Mictlan's position is good, currently at "war" with Yomi (the player went AI as soon as the war broke out). Can certainly compete for victory, which is why I would prefer not to set it AI.
I'll do my current turn in a few hours. Good luck to whoever's going to sub in, thanks and sorry to all other players.

Also: I'm Ashdod in MAdman and I asked the admin to be removed from the game last week. I'd appreciate if he could do that, otherwise Ashdod will be chainstaling starting turn 1.

My PC just died (screen keeps glotching and then everything becomes unresponsive). He served me for a good 6+ years, but it looks like it had enough. I'm going to need a 24 hour extension while I sort this out.

Sorry that I couldn't hear you out Ragha. I generally agree, but we can talk specifics tomorrow.

I'm also Niefelheim in FastTurns. You can either give me an extension or set me AI (I'm down to just my cap anyway).

>>173263679

rip

Illuminati got another

>>173263679
>You can either give me an extension or set me AI (I'm down to just my cap anyway).
Marverni was down to nothing at one point too, and Xibalba and Kailasa were both down to a few provinces themselves. I'll give you the extension.

>>173263280
I definitely would appreciate a sub for this too.

>>173266127
What happened to Remove Bats? Did everyone leave you to fight them alone?

Postponing 4th for the Greeks, who said they weren't going to return to the battlefield until the 8th due to gay orgies.

Typical greeks.

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>>173269610
>EA C'tis vs EA Kailasa

Cripple Fight!

are giants as lame as birds,bats and elves?

>>173266127
>>173266127
>>173266127
What? You extended 24h yesterday, so I only did half my turn. Also, I said I'm leaving on the 8th, but I'll be able to due turns

>>173270395
no.
they're worse.

>>173270716
Meant for
>>173269475

>>173269610
Told you it was a bad idea.

>>173271216

It depends on who you are doesnt it

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How does damage for something like this spell work?

It says 10+ armor negating damage magic damage. It doesn't mention that MR resists it, so I'm assuming its just a straight 10+ damage something takes?

IE: this spammed would near guarantee a single giant thug would go down?

>>173271772
Yes. frozen heart is the #1 best way to counter thugs in my experience.

>>173271772
well, it does do cold damage so a cold resistant giant would take less damage from it.

>>173272009
>>173272028

Thanks. A game I'm playing with friends has devolved into me getting raided by kitted eagle kings every turn. I have a bunch of water 1 mages, but they cast mistform.

Will mistform reduce the damage for this down to 1?

>>173273237
The first casting, yes

>>173273847
Then mistform is gone and every subsequent cast deals full damage

are ice drakes the better drakes ?

>>173273847
>>173274254
What about BE?

>>173274254
I'm still a little perplexed as to how that is from the spells description. Mistform says it takes an exceptionally hard blow (25+ damage), a 1/100 chance, or damage from a magical weapon to be dispelled.

I'm assuming the frozen heart spell counts as the magical weapon, since it wont do more than 25 damage, and then from there it should be able to do full damage? IE: Mistform reduces the first hits damage to 1

>>173270395
I keep losing hard as giants, so no.

>>173271772
>>173272009
>>173272028
>>173273237
>>173273847
>>173274254


Longbows of accuracy are another easy way to pop mistform provided you have enough pd to do something with it once its pop'd

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For something like this, it states magic resistance negates. Does that mean that a unit with 20MR will still get hit by ~95 fatigue damage?

>>173277946
It means a unit with 20MR has a really good chance of completely ignoring the effect

>>173231495
they are not-commander units.
use gift of reason on the non brain damaged one to turn them into mages.

>>173277946
It means when you cast it on that unit, you roll 10+2d6+pen bonuses+1 per two levels above the path requirement.

Then they roll 20+2d6

A roll of 6 on either of the dice is 5 plus another d6, infinitely exploding.

If the attack equals or exceeds the defence, they get the full affect, otherwise they ignore it entirely.

All rolls except Magic Duel work this way, to my knowledge.

>>173278834
>equals or exceeds
Isn't there one roll where the defender wins ties? Might MR actually.

>>173278508
>>173278834

Alright, was a bit confused by the manual. Only spells that have MR negates are effected by this roll, correct? IE: There are a host of spells that completely go through it

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Don't die host

What good is pillaging ? is there such a thing as pillaging effectively ?
I'm wondering how to use my pillaging bonus...

>>173281225
Pillaging Bonus on a commander lets them use the 'raid' command. It's not very commonly useful

>>173281225
>>173281554
Only time Ive ever used it is when I knew for certain a prov would be taken back not next turn but the turn after. Kill off the pop, get some gold, increase unrest, then bounce out

pls remove nation 145 shizit from master the circle
It isnt as fun as i thought it would be even if raptors sailing on crocs is cute af

>>173285281
shit tits is removed

>>173281225
Causing unrest by pillaging / raiding can make Chaospower units stronger there.

Otherwise it's just a tool to fuck with that province mostly, when you don't have fort connection and won't get to keep it soon, so the player who takes it from you gets less out of it

>>173260564

It stacks with itself.

>Hello! The Dominions 4 game MAdman has just started, and your first turn file is attached.

>>173290789
>tfw its using worthyheroes 5.8

>>173223119
>>173223251
>>173223340
Yeah I'm not dead, and I don't know why it didn't automatically start as that option was on.
Anyway its going now so please enjoy the game etc.

>>173291046
do you have a link to the old version of worthy heroes its using?

>>173263280
>>173290789

>Also: I'm Ashdod in MAdman and I asked the admin to be removed from the game last week. I'd appreciate if he could do that, otherwise Ashdod will be chainstaling starting turn 1.

>Hello! The Dominions 4 game MAdman has just started, and your first turn file is attached.

>Ashdod Waiting for 2h file

Please tell me this is a new Ashdod

>>173291130
Being the clever guy I am, the latest version of WH includes a dm named WH 5.8 that includes the fixes. I did that so I could hotfix sprite links that popped up in version already in-use on Llama

>>173291697
hey, that is pretty clever.

>>173291046
By the way please be aware that the map download on llama is broken. If you are trying (and failing) to find the map:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4FvijWNFs7UMmVkQ2JoSXk5YWs/view?usp=drive_web
enjoy.

>>173294237
You also need to rename the .tga file from leakingland.tga to leakinglandv31.tga just as a heads up.

>>173294837
But did you delete Ashdod?

>>173294837
You could just fix the .map file

So FrogAndToad - how's life for the Final Three?

Do you like BLOOD? Of course you do. Do you like AMERICA? You love America! We need a sub for Mictlan in a very strong position. The game isn't won by any means, but you are in the top 3 at the very least.

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First Nations nation when?

>>173296218
To be fair there are only 3 real contenders left.

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>>173296729

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Is there a chart for Asphodel's priest reanimation anywhere? The manual doesn't list anything and just says that Asphodel's reanimation is random, so does priest level not actually affect it? Just Growth and Magic?

And if priest level is irrelevant what the fuck is the point of the Carrion Lady?

>>173296874
He's still a DEFINITE contender for victory, is the thing.

>>173296915
Priest reanimates mannikins equal to Holy Level + 1
Carrion Lady is completely pointless, you get better power to cost ratio out of Carrion Centaur reanimation and leadership and actual spells out of Carrion Lord.
The only point to summon a Carrion Lady is if you really need that Holy 2 regeneration spell next turn and don't have enough gold for a dryad or gems for a Lord.

>>173260564
Curse of Stones won't shut down an army in a reasonable period of time, and you shouldn't expect it to.

What it will do is give the enemy a significant penalty to attack, defense, and protection by the time they reach melee. It also slows down enemy units, giving you more time before they hit your frontline.

It's easy to spam and good for its research level, but you probably won't win the fight with just it.

>>173274414
Fire gems are less useful and fewer things resist fire.

I'd rather have fire drakes if I had to choose, personally.

>>173275442
Magical attacks ignore ethereal.

>>173275479
Yes. Most spells are magical attacks, as one might expect.

>>173279289
Yes.

>>173296729
I want centaur Commanches.

>>173313167

The what?

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>>173296729
There are some decent mod nations already based around this idea. Koatekw is Native American lizards:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2502

Haida Gwaii is based off the First Nations of the Northwest Pacific coast of North America:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2953

Sawaiiki - Eternal Sea is based on Hawaiian myths and has cure-as-a-button graphics by amuys:

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1577

How come my stone hurlers won't hurl stones?

I set them to fire but they mostly just sit there.

Occasionally 1 or 2 will break formation and get killed in melee.

>>173296874
What about Therodos, won't his BoT kill Sauro and Mictlan's guys?

>>173310754
what would you do with water gems ?

Drakonia is so weird.

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DSDS2 has ended with Asphodel winning! Congratulations!

I got fucked in this game, again. I tried a N9S5 pretender for eventual thugging, but oh my god my gem income was not conducive. Again. And the fact that I had 3 forts, one of which I couldn't build lab in, because I had to fight off a four way war at one point. I came back from it, but it was too late, everyone else had snowballed way too hard off the phenomenal amount of AIs. I had no mages, no income, no gems, and it was only the good quality of Caelum's troops that allowed me to survive to the end.

>>173318769
How do you script caelum's troops ?

>>173319750
Storm General with 3 squads, one with a bunch of afflicted spire horns set to guard commander in line formation so that they walk rather than fly back, then 2 squads set to hold and attack closest and rear. As for mage support, rush evo 5, then conj 5, then alt 7. Recruit high seraphs when you need storm casters, otherwise recruit caelian seraphs to cast stormpower Thunderstrike. When you get Air Elementals, recruit High Seraphs to spam Air Elementals and cast Thunderstrike without Storm. When you hit Alt 7, cast Fog Warriors with A4 high seraphs+the above mage support and you'll probably be fine if they don't bring lightning resist, elemental spam of their own, or magic weapons. All this assumes you have gems which I did not, so yeah, take it with a grain of salt

>>173317518
Water bottles are almost always a decent use of water gems.

At worst they're a free Summon Water Elemental every fight the holder gets into, and for assassinations they're invaluable.

If you have water mages, the +W ring is the most affordable booster in the game and worth using a lot.

Naiad and Kokythiad are very nice mage summons for their price, if you have the crosspaths. Green Lions are amazing for the few nations which can make use of them.

Saving up for a big Vengeful Waters cast can be devastating, and is a nice ace to keep up your sleeve if you need help defending your lands during a war.

Quickening is a extremely nice combat buff that can see you burning through a ton of water gems (or you can forge a few lenses, which also takes a lot of gems). Wave Warriors is similar but not quite as good.

Water elementals (especially living water) are amazing underwater. They're so good you can often trade water gems for fights underwater.

Hidden in Snow is a good way to burn as many water gems as you feel like spending, and it gets you a decent assortment of elite troops and mages.

I've almost never had issues finding places to spend my water gems, but fire are a lot trickier to make good use of.

>>173318769
>good quality of Caelum's troops that allowed me to survive to the end
How are Caelum's troops in any way good?

They're humans (which are already pretty terrible), but one size larger with no stat buffs.

>>173320169
Storm immune flyers with lances senpai. The mash indies and kill other units in their weight class pretty reliably. With fog warriors, they are pretty resilient

>>173320291
>mash indies
Not really an achievement...

>kill other units in their weight class
I don't understand what you mean by weight class.

If you mean price, that's completely wrong.

>With fog warriors, they are pretty resilient
Everything is resilient with fog warriors if your enemy doesn't have a way to easily break it.

quick mod idea :
Thinking of making national heroes appear when you fulfill certain conditions, depending on the hero (ex: capture a throne, build 2 forts, have your prophet die, etc) rather than randomly.
Thinking of either making new heroes work that way and leaving the old ones, or converting existing heroes and buffing luck scale to compensate.

Would that interest you ?
Is this even doable ?
I never modded Dom4 before, but I had this idea after realizing that some interesting strategies were opened up thanks to some heroe/pretender combination that were in no way guaranteed even if you went T3L3.

>>173320439
Mashing indies means more expansions means more mages means more gems means more everything. There's a reason why province count is the #1 way to determine a leader in Dominions.

By weight class I mean, what other 10 gold 7 resource unit is as good as a spire horn warrior? The low resource cost means that they are massable. Yeah, 10 spire horns are going to die against Agarthan infantry, but against Agarthan light infantry they win.

And once again, the more massable they are, the more value you get out of fog warriors. The fact that Spire Horns also have magic weapons means that they break FW themselves, which is another bonus

>>173320679
oh, also, they are shock resistant meaning they aren't worried about the AoE of Tstrike. And they are map move 3 flyers which makes them excellent raiders that kill PD losslessly.

>>173320679
Being good at expansion for non-sacred units is more a factor of how cheap your troop is than how powerful it is.

I've had a good expansion with units which were basically lion tribe indies, simply because they were dirt cheap in resources and I could use hordes of them.

Resources start to matter a lot less once you have forts going up, and there are a lot of troops which can beat equal gold of spire horn.

>>173320869
Seems like we might be saying different things.

When you say good quality troops, I hear "will beat things in a fight".

It sounds like you're saying they're useful troops, which I agree with. The tactical mobility is amazing and they're handy for expansion.

>>173321146
>tactical
Meant strategic here.

If things go well with we could have EA Ur (Sumer), MA Uruk (Babylon) and LA Whatever (Assyria). I'd really get my jollies up if LA Ur is full blood and gore human takeover Assyria.

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/vg/ advise no trust malakal
but he has point here
wat do

>>173323186

delet this

>>173323186
Is Malakal-sama making you flustered, anon

>>173321146
Tactical mobility is correct just as well. Flying is awesome a lot of the time, pouncing on and surrounding an enemy that hasn't been fully buffed yet, if you're on the defense side not even blessed. And forces enemy to position their mages inside troops lest they get sniped by the lancers.

Granted, other times flying is a liability, but at least you can do the line formation to make them walk then.

Caelums are really underrated, they're not easy to play but once you get it they can be great. With Summod MA Caelum is possibly the best nation of the era, since they get a new mage who's both a good caster getting you new crosspaths and makes 21! resources a turn. So that you can spam Storm Guards instead of Spire Horns.

>>173316537
A nation based on native north american tribes, made exclusively out of centaurs. Head dresses and all.

I might do a mod for it some day.

>>173322031
>I'd really get my jollies up if LA Ur is full blood and gore human takeover Assyria.
So it'd just be another generic LA nation then

>>173323186
Never trust Malakal. Continue to delete him

If you had to attack lanka or xibalba, which one is more devastating long term to have in the game?

>>173327803
Lanka

>>173327856

t. Xibalba

>>173327803

Bats are way way way more dangerous. Unlimited sacred flying demon works.

>>173328186
I think Lanka is more dangerous in the long term

>>173328904

Because of what, dakinis? Are they better than Onaqui? Do they make your forts UNSIEGABLE with thousands of beast bats like Onaquis do? I seriously doubt theyre anywhere near the bullshit that Xibalba is.

>>173327803
Whichever is bigger / better played.

But as a generic answer, Xibalba

>>173317494
He's killing my guys that's for sure.
I also have no thrones at all, and a huge waste in my territory. Which so far hasn't given me any fucking gems

>>173325252
>With Summod MA Caelum is possibly the best nation of the era, since they get a new mage who's both a good caster getting you new crosspaths and makes 21! resources a turn. So that you can spam Storm Guards instead of Spire Horns.
I agree that the mage is dope and that prod 3 awake MA Caelum is amazing, but you are on a clock. You have a strong midgame, but need to close the game out before Pan or Jotun goes full demon or one of the death nation gets to spam out tarts. You're also not particularly strong against skeleton hordes (which are hugely common in MA), since you lack EQ and fire elementals unless you break into those paths with inefficient, late-conj summons.

>>173330741
Didn't mean to leave my name on there.

>>173330741
Early late game Caelum gets a yuuge power bump when they start summoning their uniques.
They get DEEP access to every path in thuggable chassis for a pretty reasonable price.

>>173325252
>makes 21! resources a turn
Whoops. That was supposed to be much less. Im glad somebody caught it a year later.

>>173332680
It's not actually broken, since Caelum wants to spend all of its gold on mages anyways. It just lets them remax heavy flyers out of their cap or spawn an army on their border ala Yomi

>>173327803
Lanka of course.
once you find an answer for batshit bats stop having fun.

on a side note if the war goes bad xibalba can make you cry for 2 years with flying raids basically suiciding themselves into your provinces and making both lose, Lanka use regular armies instead.

why do mages sometimes go completely off script ?
Dai Onis and dragons looove to do that

>>173334523
>once you find an answer for batshit bats stop having fun.
What is the answer? Asking for a friend

>>173323186
Malakals always had the highest prov count in the game, and the highest research. Also,
>elves

Innovative diplomastering there. "Hey Yomi, go fight my fights for me because I think I've lost enough and stand to lose more"

>>173336227

False news! Sad!

...going S3 for philosophers is a terrible idea isn't it

>>173338541

Nah you can rely on your summons for troops.. right?

MAdman host, you've read this thread and seen that Ashdod wished to be removed right?

There's a reason why he's not ´turned in his turn yet.

>>173228925

Some Dominions sprite dumps show Enkidu using iron equipment, but still not having helmets.

Also I think Kristoffer said on Desura they would keep Sirrush & the ability to resurrect their pretender without pathloss.

Hey DSDS3 admin could you extend 24 hours please? I got some family issues going on.

>>173339025

Haha nerd

>>173338541

Yes. Philosophers are a trap.

>>173338541
Go P3 to shit Cardaces out

How are the other dom4 communities ?

>>173346335
Shit

>>173335327
More bats.

>>173335327
ros

>>173335327
Just invade the player fighting them.

>>173335327
storm. the storm global. more storm and rain of stones.
also decent SCs.

>>173348975
but what if only the AI is fighting them?

>>173320532
I love this idea
Don't know if it's doable

>>173352282
with events, anything* is possible

*a lot

>>173352282
>>173352449

Alright. I'll try then.

>>173352282
>>173352449
>>173352753
>>173320532

dominions 4 modding is very shit.
you can do it, but you will find very difficult or impossible to detect some conditions.

>>173323186
do.not.trust.malakal.

he is going to use you to fight his fight, he's gonna play the victim card and the trade card, while also setting up the backstab trap card. he's gonna play all the cards. The only winning move is to not let you or anyone else in the game accept any of his diplomancy.Give him no edge and remove him.

>>173355270
>t. Malakal

>>173355846
>t. Malakal

>>173355846
>>173355927
Hahaha. Seriously, though.
>t. Malakal

>>173355846
>>173355927
>>173356214
Sorry, forgot my name.

>>173356383
>t. Malakal

>>173357239
>t.Malakal

so if his last name is Malakal what names does he have that starts with t?
Trevor?Timmy?Tom?

>>173357332
Anon...

>>173357332
>Malakal Trump

>>173357332

Tyrone Malakal

>>173357332
t. Malakal

>>173357426
>Tito Malakal

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I thought picking on Malakal was meta-gaming of poor taste until I was Malakal'd myself.

Theredoa are you allright? well aside for being ded as usual...you don't seem to be expanding well in the big pond; what's happening? do you need help?

>>173361132
haaaaaaaaaa

Thed's dead, baby

Literally everyone is attacking him because he is dangerous. You should not listen to him. He is a backstabber and a usurper
t. c'tis

>>173361404
>>173323186

>>173361132
he sent me a message not long ago, i think hes biding his time for the inevitable innovative BoT cast

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MasterTheCircle
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=NoBatsAllowed
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EA_Zel

>>173366398
desu im just really tired of MA, both of the not mod nation games there are middle age

>>173361132
he declared war against berytos with just one army instead of moving onto xibalba

>>173325252
>With Summod MA Caelum is possibly the best nation of the era, since they get a new mage who's both a good caster getting you new crosspaths and makes 21! resources a turn. So that you can spam Storm Guards instead of Spire Horns.
I like Caelum, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that.

Their mages are amazing, as is flying everything, but lackluster troops and no blood isn't good for lategame.

>>173327803
Xibalba has more potential to snowball, Lanka has more potential lategame.

Remove whichever one you can get more allies to fight.

>>173338541
You could do it if you took an awake expander, but arco has amazing research and doesn't need them. Recruit Oreiads out of your capital instead.

>>173366398
>>173367532
that's fair.


speaking of Mod games,
I'll start MasterTheCircle on Monday morning (EST) if anyone wants to get in or edit their pretenders, I'll finalize map selection sunday unless we get a huge in flux.

>>173371781
Can you remove Pheaha please? Don't have the time anymore.

>>173372360
sure thing m80.
I'm sorry to see you go, but love to watch you leave.

>>173371582
>no blood isn't good for lategame.
What? Is this game so poorly balanced that using blood magic is necessary to be optimal?

>>173373449
Death very technically has the best lategame, but blood has the best army-esque summons by a wide margin

>>173373449
Blood magic has a poor start, but scales very well because you can scale up your blood slave production.

It's not unbeatable in lategame, but it has a definite edge over other types of magic. unless you're playing in a memegame where people genocide all the population everywhere long before the game ends

You don't need blood to be a good nation, but there are nations which perform well in early-midgame like Caelum, then also have blood/strong troops/SCs for lategame. It's hard to argue Caelum is the best nation in the era when those exist.

>>173373962
Death is a good lategame path too, but you just need a couple D7 casters for tarts so you can get there via summons. Blood needs a ton of mages to hunt slaves for you, so it's only really accessible to nations who have recruitable blood or good blood magic summons.

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OMG I can't believe I was actually the first to submit for Today_Local_Domg.

Rate me

>>173375536
>lightless lanterns not on mages
>half the treasury unsorted

>>173375734
I reset the turn. I made those last turn.

>>173375906
That's fine then.

That's a lot of items for a single turn. Did you just hit construction 6?

>>173376120
Ya, I think so, but honestly I can't remember it's been so long since the last turn. I think I submitted that turn on Mar. 20.

>>173375906

Where do you get that many gems from?

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>>173376801
I rolled T3L3 and got a fire mage from an event about 45 turns ago. Turns out Eriu is pretty strong when you have full diversity.

I'm only posting this shit cuz I'm not sure if this game is gonna make it. I was pretty excited to have a solid shot at winning as worse-TNN

Jesus take the wheel

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>tfw you do a false flag in Dominions just as jihadists do a false flag in the real world

What's your favorite pretender chassis /domg/?

Mine's virtue, I really love angels in general and she makes a solid SC later on with the big invuln and full slots. I wish she was available for more nations though.

>>173382284
I find myself using the Volla of Bountiful Rivers or whatever she's called sometimes. Gem generators are fun.

>>173382284
Man-Eater. Makes blood stones and is a great awake expander that isn't erf snek. Trades amphibious for flying, basically. Not a particularly interesting pretender beyond that (either mechanically or thematically) but a solid role-filler in my opinion.

>>173382792
gem generators are neat, especially on rainbow mages to help with casting spells you might not find sights for

>>173384105
I'm too autistic to usually use role fillers and end up focusing on something thematic rather than something that would really be better. the man eater is neato though

>>173382284
I recently played EA Ulm against some friends and LOVED taking a rainbow Eldest Dwarf who could forge every booster for their mages. Something about a nation that got bonuses to resources and crafting having a single dude who was badass at it and then naming him a god as a result was really cool to me.

Props to the maneater as well. My favorite awake pretender when playing Berytos.

>>173371781
can you delete Leirsund too? I want to switch nations

>>173387848
done my dude

You have no idea how shit my laptop is I'm using as a substitute. Nearly crashed while trying to send in my turn and took 2 minutes for that operation too.

But I guess the game goes on. Don't expect a doubleturn, as I've got to be in the lab soon. Will do it in the evening.

So are people planning to do something about BoT, or are they content with how it is?

>>173389519
That spell barely does anything. I'm not going to waste pearls dispelling it

>>173391089
t. Bats

>>173391263
>he thinks bats have pearls

>>173371781
please remove shezig or however its spelled, im probably not going to be able to play

>>173388872
You're Bogarus, right?

>>173393759
Yup.

When is Patroling to catch stealthy units/Armies resolved? Do you have to be patroling as they move into your prov? Or do you catch them on their way out?

Currently playing whack a mole with a friends stealthy sacred armies in my lands, and I cant seemingly corner them with massive waste in pd numbers. Manual only mentions patrolling in turn order for unrest reduction...

>>173399785
>>173399649
Here ya go, buddy - http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Turn_resolution_sequence

Thank the Pantokrator MAdman restarted, I was stuck in a corner with a throne, waste and a farm in my cap circle with the waste already being conquered

>>173399785
Stealthy units move before patrolling occurs. The section where it checks to find stealthy units is #29 - sneak discovery.

PD is a terrible way to find stealthy armies by the way, and I'm not sure how you'd expect it to kill them even if it managed to discover the enemy.

>>173400024
That's just a copy of the section he already said didn't help him.

>>173389519
BoT isn't great but I'll make it. Much more worried about bats now that they've eaten Niefel without anyone helping him. It's turning into another 'just leave Malakal alone' game

>>173325252
>makes 21! resources a turn
Is it a flat bonus or is it affected by scales?

>>173374208
>Blood needs a ton of mages to hunt slaves for you, so it's only really accessible to nations who have recruitable blood or good blood magic summons.

Not really. If you have time and resources you can jump to blood by empowering D4 mage to B1. Gather 77 slaves (It should take about 12 turns I guess) and summon wampire.
Then you can steamroll.
You can always look for the random indie blood mages.

>>173400309
Praise the madmin, i actually wrote a 7 lines message full of salt due to having started in the shittiest position on that awful map.

>>173409372
edit: just opened the new turn. i'll have to write a salt message again. it's even worse than before.

>>173407405
You can do that, but it costs you 77 slaves per blood hunter. Nations with national blood mages get blood hunters for 5 slaves and a (usually) meaningless amount of gold.

You also start building your blood economy much later than a standard blood nation. By the time non-blood nations can afford to pick up blood 7 rather than something more immediately usable, it's usually late in the game.

You won't be able to compete with a proper blood nation in volume of summons within a reasonable time. The things which make blood-focused nations terrifying endgame powers require a massive blood slave income (and often national-specific summons).

I've broken into blood in two games so far, both because I was left alone for a silly amount of time. Even with that much leeway, I didn't get anything even approaching a proper blood economy before the game ended. I don't see how it's possible either, the numbers just don't add up.

>Gather 77 slaves (It should take about 12 turns I guess) and summon wampire.
Your numbers are off - you need a D4B3 mage (so 50 + 30 + 45 slaves for three empowers) plus a vampire lord summon (77 slaves) for a total of 202 blood slaves before your first vampire (assuming you had a D3 mage already, which requires good death mages or a substantial investment into conjuration). That number is doable with scout blood hunting but it is very, very inefficient.

>You can always look for the random indie blood mages.
Getting those is basically luck, and they're very rare. They only seem to show up in a tiny fraction of games (below 10% in my experience, but I tend to play smaller games), and your odds of being the one who gets the province are even worse.

>>173409516
how about you play with what you get

>>173409705
it's not the greatest nation to get that depressing capcircle.If i have to play it i reserve the right to be salty about it.

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yes

>>173410454
Those turkeys are shapeshifted mages though right?

>>173410819
y e s

>>173410454
I still cant decide my build
how confident are you against a blessrush?

>>173411380
I am a very bad player. Don't worry about me.

Does anyone in the Warhammer game know if they fixed the issues with the Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings? I want to know if it's really MP-ready.

>>173412406
Not in the game, but interested to know what the issues with them are (were?).

>>173412620
I know that tomb kings replaced all the longdead, ghouls and soulless with tomb king longdead, mummies and skeletons. That got fixed but most of the freespawn the tombkings get are just regular undead.

The problem was that in the dom 3 mod tomb kings werent a freespawn nation and the dude who adapted it decided to make them one and did a botched job of overwriting MA Ermor to make them.

>>173409372
I'm so sorry anon, mine is much better now

>>173414368
Mine was fine, now its awful. so fuck you.

>>173418639
lmao anon calm down

>>173418639
What nation are you, out of interest?

>>173418782
shinuyama. ive got three borders: a waste, a fucking throne, and then a normal one.

>talks shit in Greek

>>173419226
Arco go and stay go

tell me how to win as LA Jomon. Now.

>>173421271
build sea forts

>>173421271
earth snek, go underwater asap
ryujin

>tfw you kill a fully kitted blessed golem with pd and two unscripted mages

>>173422473
Golems are trash

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Hey guys. I'm a beginner (I've only played one multiplayer game for now) and I'm going to enter a new multiplayer game as MA Pythium.

I'm doing diverse tests while waiting for the game start. I tried pic related as my pretender. I didn't select my magic paths randomly: I used dom4 mod inspector to see what items would be useful and what path I'd need to craft them; also, since this pretender chassis uses only 10 creation points per new path, it was a nice opportunity to get lots of gems through site searching.

So my plan is to expand first with a regular human army AND a hydra army separately, then start researching with theurg as well as creating one arch theurg to start site searching, then building two or three forts while my pretender awakes and starts site searching too, then creating only arch theurgs in cap while mass creating theurgs and theurg communicants in other forts.

I'd focus on construction and convocation magic schools so that my pretender could create boosters and SC items as well as summoning angel SCs. As for these SC items (remember I'm a beginner, I really don't know if I'm doing it right), as a start (can be improved with higher research/magic paths/gem economy) I'm thinking about boots of the messenger, robe of shadows, shield of gleaming gold, frost/fire brand, horror helmet.

Then, Wrath of God (hence the air magic path on my pretender), Stellar focus, and if possible Arcane nexus. Meanwhile, trying to find a good use for astral communion.

Does it all sound good? If you have any advice, that's why I've come, so I'd be happy to get some.

Anyway, I also have a specific question. While testing this strategy against AI, I found out that a misfortune 2 can apparently be a lot more annoying than I thought, even with order 3 and the theurg's and arch theurg's ability to somewhat counter bad events; so, I'm wondering, wouldn't it be better to just get misfortune 1 and heat 2? Are there any hidden really annoying heat effects?

>>173422473
I just casually Gift of Heaven´d a TC golem with that many artifacts
frag goes to blink-boots that teleported it into range
Granted TC is mega huge and eating all thrones
So long virtue armor

>>173422560
You want to go full scales with Pythium. A rainbow is fine on them, but an awake does even better. Spam out...leves? Velites? The cheap guys. Don't bother going for SCs, they won't be good enough even with that level of equipment. Instead, grab Thaum 1 for communions, then go for Evo until you get Stellar Cascades. Your early wars will be won by spamming out Theurg acolytes that do nothing but cast cascades. To further this aim, once you get Cascades, go for Light of the North Star in conjuration, then have an arch theurg cast it and have your acolytes cast it without needing to communion or PotS. Later on, you'll want Conj 5 for air and water elementals, alt for fog warriors and the big astral buffs, ench for mass flight, evo for t strike spam and storm, not necessarily in that order

>>173404470
Except unlike me, Sauro and Mictlan actually WERE left alone, though.

Honestly, I just want Kailasa to post all the graphs so you anons can get off my dick

>>173423389
er
>Light of the North Star in conjuration, then have an arch theurg cast it and have your acolytes cast it without needing to communion
Have your acolytes cast Cascades
sorry

>>173423389
>>173423640
What would the script look like for the mages?

>>173423804
For your arch theurg, LotNS and then nothing because he will be very sleepy
For your Acolytes that are beneath the arch theurg in the list in army setup, nothing but stellar cascades, for those above they can twist fate then spam cascades

Hey hosts for nomeme and ragnarok could you postpone please? For 24 hours.

>>173423804
everybody casts communion slave or communion master
one master casts light of the northern star, the rest cast stellar cascades
everybody casts stellar cascades till the end

if you have an e mage in there get them to cast summon earth power to give the slaves reinvig so they last better. as an s nation with a lot of communion potential as long as you can get 1 of a path on somebody, even a fucking indy deer tribe shaman, you can cast any battle magic in the game so long as you have a communion and the means to forge the matrix you need

>>173424550
>>173424769
Thanks, that helps a lot!

What pretender, magic paths and scales would you use for this strategy?

>>173425025
I'd have to see what is possible, give me a sec

GG sum1won, since people want you to win as well (like last time, your diplo remains hilariously above anyone else I've seen) I'm willing to concede the game to you if others are.

>>173368224
i think berytos is in the water.
are you guys going to give berytos the power to terrorize everyone with water capitals?

>>173425134
>>173425025
Divine Emperor, Dom 6, E3 S6 D4
O3P3C1G3Misf2

E3 gives you full access to earth, S6 gives you access to wish later on, and also makes your pretender a magic dueller extraordinaire, D4 gives you tarts with artifacts

Misf 2 is totally handleable, but you can go for O2Misf1 if you feel really strongly about it, or drop a point of production. This is the rainbow build, and is the one I would not recommend, but since you started with it I imagine it is the one you would be the most interested in.

Great White Bull, Dom 6, E5N2, same scales as above. This will turbo charge your already decent expansion and make it good. 17 prot isn't the greatest, but it will do, just don't send it into 60 barbarians and expect it to win. N2 lets you make thistle maces, but you probably aren't going to be breaking into nature in any big way. Aside from that, this is the build that will facilitate your nation's strong points, rather than by trying to backload your power. Later on, your bull can cast army of lead/gold, so that is always nice. If you're really attached to it, you can delay your evo research to pick up conj 3 for earthpower so that it survives longer, but eh, not really that important

>>173426005
Why nature 2 exactly? Just for thistle mace or is there something else? Thistle mace doesn't look very useful in this configuration since the bull doesn't have hands

>>173426587
leftover points senpai. A thistle mace on an N1 indie will get you a decent N income which can come in handy later on

>>173426673
>>173426005
Alright!

And since the Great White Bull is mainly for expanding, why not an Earth serpent instead? Isn't it better?

>>173426746
snek is lame
better, but lame. Less scales too

>>173426846
>>173426673
>>173426005
Thanks!

>>173425263
Chill Elf. Is S1W really putting that much hurt on you? All I've done is claim the choke points I told you I was taking.

>>173427535
Yes. You can have the choke points, but its really hard to fight someone whose around twice your size and likely more than double my gem income with other people nipping on you.

>>173427642
your fault for being nick then
protip, don't be nick

>>173423393
To be fair I may have been left alone but I'm actually suffering under BoT and I have no pearls.

>>173427881
Nah, its fine. I've accepted sum1won will win once the game goes long since people will literally never attack him, so I'll just need to make the game end before then obviously.

Since I'd rather him not with 2 Archaea's in a row, even if everyone else is fine with that.

>>173428607
>so I'll just need to make the game end before then obviously.
If you were able of ending the game, then he was right to attack you. Like, this makes no sense:

"Atlantis is about to win because he attacked me. Since nobody will help, you have forced me to claim victory instead."

>>173429784
Vanheim has 2 thrones and little ability to grab any more anytime soon. He has no ability to win.

Only people even close to maybe winning sometime soon are bats, Ur, and Atlantis.

>>173430057
Atlantis has one throne. Bats has 2 thrones, one of which is under siege.

Ur has one throne claimed, and two more in their territory.

Do preaching commanders with armies defend with the rest of their army that was set to patrol? I'm near positive they do, just checking. Nothing in the manual notes anything with regards to this under the "preaching" section

>>173430289
preachers don't patrol, so no

>>173430234
And when you combine that with the thrones they could reasonably take in the future, puts all of them way closer to winning than Vanheim, who has 2 thrones and 0 ability to get anymore at all.

'close' is relative here of course. But those three nations are the only three I can see pulling a win (Ur from throne rush, Atlantis from being the runaway nation, bats can never be discounted because bat blood lategame).

what are the biggest meme pretender chassis?

>>173431394
Great Mother. Fatty Boombatty for the win

>>173431394
snek

>>173430406
So let me get this straight.

There are 5 preachers preaching with no soldiers under them. 5 Commanders with 20 soldiers each patrollling. They are all in Prov (1). An army attacks into Prov(1) from Prov(2).

The preachers will not be at the fight with the patrolling armies and PD?

Same question about searching mages

>>173432275
If it's a fort they won't. If it's not forted, they will.

>>173432275
No they will if there is no fort. Preachers stay in the fort, patrollers are out of it. In a prov with no fort, everyone is considered in the province and battle ready. It is why you set site searchers to retreat immediately and waaaaay back

>>173432275
You just described a very testable situation

>>173432413
>>173432427

Thats what I thought. Have an army with 20 priest mages in it and am well aware the prov will be attacked next turn. Just wanted maximum efficiency. No fort on it.

>>173432527
>5-10 minutes to set it up and test it
>10 seconds to ask, keeps the thread alive in a dying general

I'm sorry?

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Ok, this is golden

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>>173433812
and then

>>173433991
Wait what?

>>173434074
crab general got hellbound, ended up fighting in the arena instead of illearth

how to effectively bless rush?

>>173434251
What happened to illearth then?

>>173434938
got back home and chilled

Due to the sudden out pouring of players I'll be putting off starting.
This means more time to test your crazy ass bullshit and more time to join with crazy ass bullshit.

>sorry not sorry :^)

>>173436250
hey
crazy idea
why not make 2 games with those nations?
one startint monday now
and other waiting to feel
feeling sassy enough with my strat but also too anxious

>>173428607
You shouldn't have been memeing it up with your golems in my turf, scrub. Your tactics and diplomacy are strong, but your strategy of vulturing around Europe did not pay off. Now, play nice and see if you can get Therodos to fight Atlantis with you, as I only border Thero, Ur and you.

>>173436925
Anon it will be okay.
No one will figure out your super secret strat in an extra few days/week

>>173437381
its not that
its that I am enjoying this nation so much, I dont want to play once and see my pantokrator go and never come back

>>173437062
>Get Lambert to attack sum1won

That's like trying to get Lukas to attack Nick.

>>173421895
why people keep saying that?
sneak cant build temples

So domg, what bless is best for Ragha? N9E4? W9E4? A fire bless? A blood bless?

A/S/D seem pretty trashy, so those can be thrown out, and E doesn't play nicely (the major, not the minor).

Just curious what other people's thoughts are. Is it worth it to run monobless awake expander, and if so what pretender?

>>173439980
because it's one of only two decent prets with UW acess,and the only one that can solo UW provinces.
go dormant erfsnek, you have enough W1 mages to craft rings for a fivefold monk to go with him UWbuild lab + temple UW

>>173439980
>>173440254
also, you just have to get him 2 points in air to make him able to summon dai tengus later.

>>173440160
N9 makes Zhayedans a real headache to deal with. W9 makes them blend like nothing else in LA. N9F9 is possible, but it tanks your scales and doesn't really bring much to the table. You could, hypothetically, go unblessed and still do fine. Zhayedans are just that good.

>>173440160
I have been asking myself long enough
the way I see, if you are talking gryphon blessing, you obviously take h3. They have 15 hp in first form, which is very little, so N9 is laughable (unless you plan to use the summons as thugs). W9 is solid as well as F9, F9 being the cheapest and pays well enough and the god can use all the surplus F gems ragha has.
E minor: (still talking heat3). Dastur is awesome, but they dont need e minor beucase they can just cast reinvigoration. They do like minor A and the path can give you booster if needed.
S9 may help your lategame.
The pretender choice, althought vast, doesnt help much.

Gryphons, in my opinion, dont need much more help from the bless. I do dislike their low att score, but they do hit 3 times per round.
f6 solar disc gives you excellent scales and helps thugging and gryphons.
N9(e4) I found too costly (so does W9)

>>173440914
Isn't N8 good enough for making shit beefier while being cheaper than N9?

>>173440160
N9W9S9

>>173440914
>They have 15 hp in first form, which is very little, so N9 is laughable
a) N9 applies to both forms
b) When a sacred has high prot/def but low HP, N9 adds a lot to its survivability

>>173440160
http://bsielski.github.io/bless-calculator.html

>>173442012
The HP component of N9 is meh as fuck. N9 gives regen, which is very useful. Nobody takes an N minor, not even N8

>>173443314
oh my god

>>173443491
>The HP component of N9 is meh as fuck
It matters on certain sacreds, like Knights of the Unholy Sepulchre. I'd go so far as to say that it's pretty noticeable on gryphon riders and elves too

>>173443314
greatest innovation since man invented fire.
thank you so fucking much!

Well I'm here to tell that our game is over. Because I fucked up something there won't be graphs but I will do a quick summary.
In the beginning there were 6 EA nations
Abyssia
Xibalba
Helheim
Marverni
TNN (me)
Ermor

Firstly Abyssia went AI before 5th turn because he fucked up his expansion.
Then after some time, after the expansion phase was over I, Ermor, Marverni and maybe Helheim went to war against Xibalba. I managed to blitz through 10 provinces and even get to the their capital itself, but since I fucked up some scripting and went with small but elite warriors I was not able to continue with siege so I retreated. About 5 turns after my retreat Xibalba went AI.

>>173449336
How in the name of christ did Abyssia fuck up expansion so bad they had to go AI? Thats like the one stage of the game where they are actually strong.

>>173449886
all you have to do is run into cavalry or thinking that since your starting army and burning ones are so good they can take 70 barbarians no problem.

there is always room to fuck up

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>>173449336
After that I got most of the UW territories that Xibalba held and 2-3 land ones. Other ones went to Ermor, Marverni and maybe Helheim. But peace did not last long.

After some turns I declared a war upon Marverni since they were closer to my army (at this point I have rebuild my army) and I made Helheim declare a war upon Ermor so I dont get fucked in ass. After about 15 turns and 2-3 big battles Marverni went AI. Helheim went even sooner.

Because of this I and Ermor have made a temporary NAP until we capture whats left of the nations (they still put up a good resistance). And with this came a time when I and Ermor went to war.

Well war did not last long. Since this was +75 turn I lost most of my will to play it. Also I made pic related so if I wanted I think I could have dragged this for pretty long time. This was my first game and I think I learnt a lot of things. It was also pretty fun.


>>173449886
I think he ran into Dark Vines and also some other shit.

>>173449886
I hit 3 provinces by early winter due to really REALLY shitty luck against indies. I'm talking 0 casualties inflicted, 75% taken on all parties I sent out. Unblessed burning ones worked fine in my test games but in the actual game I just got fucked by RNG

>FrogAndToad
>Atlantis and Mari just went AI
>Bandar to the left of me, Batfrogs to the right
>here I am, stuck in the middle with (You)

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>>173450656
Also this was my pretender.
Pretty retarded,

>>173452126
>E9N9 boar
>that's pretty okay, what's the sc-
oh

>>173452126
those scales are interesting

>>173452372
they are ball freaking retarded no matter what you are playing.

always minmax your scales.

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>>173450506
>>173451460
You dont even need burning ones, your regular starting army will face roll basically everything that isnt 80 barbarians or those three orb lightning casting fucks. Even if you loose your starting army it would take like 3 turns max to make another expansion party.

>>173454229
That;s what I thought too. Lost my first army blind expanding. Went "Oh well, that was bad luck, let's make another." In the meantime my assassin was taking a province, slowly. When my second party went out, it killed the first prov no worries, but then couldn't take the second, and the same happened to the third party I sent out. Eventually my assassin took the third, but by that time I could see Helheim so, knowing I was a perfect rush target, I went AI because hopefully the AI would do better than me

>>173454781
What the hell were you fighting dude?

>>173454960
Standard indies, as I remember. The dicerolls were literally not in my favour

>>173452126
cold/heat 2 sloth 1/2 and growth 3 would have done you wonders.

>>173450656
Also forgot to mention but every green fortress that you see is actually fortress. Not a single pallside. I even destroyed 2 pallsides so I could build fortress and then on every fortress in forest I built road.

>>173455481
lmao

>>173452014
They went AI several turns ago, my dude. It's been down to 3 players for a while

>>173427535
>>173427642
Literally all I've done is some raiding with parties of 10-20 low-tier units (ie, deep ones, icthyids, some free shades) or living waters casters (except for an earthking who sieged a fort for one turn). It's the least organized attack I've ever done.

The bulk of vanheim's losses have actually been from his partially unsuccessful counter attacks. I'm also skeptical of the "twice as big" claim, since he's eaten more nations than I have, even if those nations are smaller, and the fact that he has similar research to me (I have conj 8 and alt 8; he has Const 8, Conj 7 and B7).

>>173439870
I've played two other games with Lambert. He attacked me in both. One was an attempted throne grabagainst myself and another player (Bad Life Choices), and he attacked me turn 8 in the other with the power of sailing (some 300% resources memegame).

>>173437062
This is really the issue with the diplo situation. I have done very little until recently. Its that your diplo efforts rubbed people the wrong way as the game goes on, since you scapegoat whoever you are rivals with at that time. Like, against Arco, you scolded him for eating Marveni "because marveni promised to fight bats" - and then you vultured marveni.


>>173428607
Would you like to explain to everyone what you meant by this?

>>173459302
Also some earth attacks. Forgot about those. The big one failed, though.

>>173427642
>twice your size
wow lewd

>>173427642
Choking on someone twice your size with other people nipping on you

Sounds like my kind of hentai

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1 bump before bed

>>173475108
okay 2, but you fags better keep it bumped for me

>>173477235
ichtyids

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BURN HERETICS

>>173479801
>no fire elementals

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>>173480506
Elementals are cool, but a hundred screaming fanatics with flame weapons and twist fate do the job well.

I forgot to order them into that previous battle. Lucky those crossbowmen are actually pretty good in melee.

>>173479801
>holy pyre
>not fighting undead or demons
For what purpose? Just use falling fires or fireball, both are better.

>>173482936
Fireballs seems less consistent but I'll take your word for it

>>173483857
The thing with fireballs is that the heat shock fatigue damage is a huge deal, so a barrage of them will actually incapacitate a fairly large area and reduce the effective attack/defense/prot of the units whose fatigue gets nuked

>>173483857
Fireballs do much more damage to the targets they do hit and have AoE fatigue/burning. They're not ideal against low-protection chaff, but that's why I suggested falling fires.

Holy Pyre does only 7 armor-piercing damage, so even mediocre protection cuts its damage by a ton. A lot of those targets are wearing plate, which fireball (or even just falling fires) would be much more effective against.

>>173483942
Don't forget that heat shock can cause burning. Unless your enemy is regenerating or fire resistant, getting set on fire can do a nice chunk of their hitpoints before it burns out.

Since everyone seems to hate the 100+ turn micromanaging late game, what about a short 8 provinces per player 2/3 lvl 3 throne easy research game?

>>173485592
blitz in chat

Would anyone happen to have screens of battles/battle results/endgame stats/whatever of Dalkrin?

I love Dryads!

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>>173494207
t.pan