/fhg/ - For Honor General

Alright you cunts, I am SICK AND TIRED of you fucking naysayers shitting on PK mains, saying our character takes no skill. You know why PK mains always argue with you? BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE PLAYED HER ENOUGH TO REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT SHE ACTUALLY IS.

If you think PK is easy, go win a duel with her. Right now, I can wait. Oh, a Warden? Better just plant your guard lower left for that zone, then. Oh fucking WAIT, you have Reactive Block now! That attack that's free damage on you normally? Gonna have to learn to block that.

Okay, your enemy is a Lawbringer or Raider. You know they're just gonna sit there and parry everything. What do you do? Fucking NOTHING, that's what: he'll parry all your 500ms attacks because somehow being a low tier character justifies also being a turtling cuck. Best start whiffing that first light and trying to poke around his guard. But guess what? It takes like 15 of those to kill him, and he only needs to parry 3 OF THOSE TO KILL YOU. Easy, right?

Oh, a Warlord or Conqueror now? Great, full block actually makes him invincible. Have fun trying to get damage off on them when their entire movesets are based on LMAO BLOCK FRAMES. Sure, these defensive pieces of shit weren't 'Babbys First' enough, so now almost everything they can do will trade in their favor. But no, YOU'RE playing the easymode class, right?

You ever look at the difficulty rankings on each character? EVER NOTICE THAT PK IS LISTED AS 'HARD'? Wonder why that is? Because her moveset is garbage. She's a worse Orochi: at least when Orochi lands hits he shits out damage. PK is low damage fast attacks, and thats all she has going for her. You slow her down to make fighting her easier for the shitters? Congratulations, you just removed a high skill character from the viable pool. Hope you enjoy your tourneys with Shugokis running in circles for the entire duel, because that's what you're contributing to.

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>>173198968
>this is what PK mains actually believe

This game has a significant amount of fundamental flaws, heaps of bugs and almost no dev support other than putting dab emotes or whatever in.

Shame really, if this game had anyone working on it who actually cared it could be great.

>>173198968
>Takes skill
A vast majority light smash, GB for bleed effect, etc. Although i will give you the high rep PKs are pretty skilled and i mean like rep 10+.
>Raider fight
Gonna stop you right there. I am a Raider main and have the absolute struggle playing Pks. Where is this meme coming from non-raider players? even with a parry the PK can dodge so fast you cant hit them fast enough, cause they side dodge out of the way. don't counter argue with GB, because sometime the parry moves them so far away it gives no time to GB

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Reminder that revenge is balanced and if you disagree you're a no honor piece of scum

I mean look a lot of actual fighting with weapons IRL is staring. You want to minimize risk to yourself so you either try to psych out your opponent, try to get them to commit to a certain option that leaves them open or try to look for your own opening. IMO the number one thing to do is to make defense harder to do, make it just as, if not as hard as, attacking. Something like have blocking be it's own button input or something maybe? Idk, I'm not a game designer and that's probably a shit solution, but imo the problem in this game isn't offense, it's defense. Specifically defense being way too simple and easy to do while also being incredibly passive, which anyone who's ever used a weapon can tell you makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

>>173199423
it's pasta

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>>173198968
>Orochi
>he
>reddit spaces
commitu sudoku yourself yourself

>>173199597
*teleports next to u*
outta my way, kid...

>>173199553
And PK players gobble that pasta up like they're about to run a marathon

>>173199553
Either way, my statements are true. i want to end the Raider is PK killer meme

>>173199358
you could remove warden's shoulder charge entirely and he'd still be one of the better characters in the game

just removing the GB cancel shouldn't be an issue for anyone except warden mains who rely on it because they're complete trash

>>173199597
Orochi's duel partner must have been so sad :(

>>173199728
Yeah somehow I really don't buy that lmao. Exactly what does warden have besides shoulder bash mixup guessing games? Best way to bring shoulder bash under control is to remove the option to cancel into guardbreak, just cancel at beginning, regular, or charge. That and maybe get rid of the stamina damage on it, that never really made sense that people run out of stamina for trying to defend themselves, like, what?

>>173199646
Not pastafag but what's this
>reddit spaces
meme? I've been posting on this site with the same style as always for 11 years now but people have lately started
>reddit spacing
me

>>173199553
It's pasta that's not even a day old, unless I missed it's actual first posting.

>>173199928
Lets see, a fast as fuck zone that can punish a lot of things on reaction, a fast as fuck top light that's also a parry, strong guaranteed follow ups off just about everything, light into light, zone indicator bug, an unblockable.

Try playing a non top tier fucking faggot warden main.

>>173200165
>Update
The zone is unsafe, the top light his only 500ms standard attack, this is a good point, this is an alright point because 600 ms lights are parry bait, every class has this but only a few can abuse it, warden has the most "Balanced" fast zone, fair point.

>>173200165
Warden is a worse Orochi without his shoulder you goon.

Orochi has an upper light that is just as fast, and guarantees a second upper light
Can get Crushing Counter damage off a normal parry because his parries always confirm upper heavies.
Has a zone that's just as fast and is safe on block, unlike Warden's

Also, Warden doesn't have an unblockable without his shoulder bash, unless you're talking about Crushing Counter which is just a fucking parry.

Also, assassins can parry Warden's crushing. That makes Orochi even more of a better Warden.

>>173200165
I'm a lawbringer main lol but okay, fair enough, I see your point. Honestly don't fight enough wardens or play enough of that class, but most wardens I see never really react using zone. What guaranteed follow ups are you talking about? Zone indicator bug isn't something I really count as a strength of the character personally since it's not something that's unique to the character and also not really an intended thing. As far as the unblockable, shoulder bash in my opinion needs to be something you can either cancel into nothing at the start or charge to try for a read for heavier punish (something I only wish LB long arm could do). the fact that he gets armor for charging is also dumb imo, not sure why they thought that was a good idea, but that needs to go too imo. that and a whiffed shoulder bash really needs to be punishable with free GB. look, i'm not saying he's a bad character without guessing game meta, i just think if you actually bring his shoulder bash into line, and fix zone bug, i'm just saying i don't think he shits on the entire cast in a multitude of ways if you do.

>>173200662
also sorry that was a shittily formatted and grammatically horrible reply to read, i don't english all too well.

>it costs 500 steel to change your looks at high gear levels
>and theyre gonna nerf different stats making the insane investment in high quality items even more inefficient
your company is a fucking joke, ubisoft.

>>173200985
>Playing modes where gear stats matter
>Not sticking to superior Brawls

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>>173201049
How long does it take you to find a match? I swear it takes way longer for me then dom or duel queues. maybe its the times I play at.

>>173201632
Never more than 2 minutes.

>>173200453
Crushing counter does more damage than an orochi top heavy.

>>173199675
>>173199714
true enough my friend

>>173200038
idk i'm pretty sure i saw it in the last thread or two, could be wrong

>>173202087
You caught me, Orochi's upper actually does 5 less damage.

>>173202218
I think last thread was the first.

>>173199939
reddit copied your posting style cause you're too cool granpa.

>>173202354
Where did you get this information?

It's been a while since I've played Orochi, so of course, I could be remembering wrong, but I'm fairly certain Orochi's top heavy does significantly less damage than crushing counter, not just 5.

>>173202515
I'm sure you can find a chart if you google it, but I just know the numbers. CC is 40 damage, the same as Warden's top heavy. Orochi's top heavy is 35.

>>173202817
I guess you're right, I just tested it in game, and it does look to be about a 5 damage difference. My bad.

>>173203105
It's fine man, I wasn't holding it against you.

if warden throws his zone out from neutral it's unsafe, yeah, but that would be stupid.
If you do a zone as soon as someone does a heavy you will hit them and cancel their heavy, even if they feint they wont react in time, or at least I've never seen anyone react in time. you can also use it after feinting a heavy and 9 times out of 10 they won't block it.
Top light can punish other peoples bashes and heavies. as well as having crushing counter.

Overall, if they just make it to where Warden wiffs his GB if you dash back away from his bash instead of him sliding 15 meters It would be fine, then if someone dashed back too early you can charge longer and get the top heavy punish. It then becomes skill to avoid it instead of luck

>>173201049
>brawls
>where you run into memelords running Warlord/Shugoki teams and camping the ledges that are literally unavoidable in brawls
No thanks

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Can we nerf revenge already? I'm sick of getting one shot by Wardens because my teammate decided to stand next to him.

I just cant seem to do the wardens shoulder bash. using Kb+M, any tips. i got it to work once

>>173204639
W, Space, Middle Mouse.

>>173204639
GB after a dodge or light attack, hold if you want to charge the bash

>>173204621
If someone uses revenge, just run away man, hahaha, wait for it to go down :^)

>>173203561
Their zone is only as fast as your top light. Every single direction of a peacekeeper or alk attack is equally fast.

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>Be Rep 1 Raider.
>Go into Dominion.
>My team is all sub-rep 1 characters.
>Their team is a Rep 10 Orochi, Rep 1 Shugoki, Rep 8 Peacekeeper, and a Rep 29 Conqueror.
>This is balanced matchmaking to Ubisoft.
>"It goes by skill, anon, so it must mean we suck and you guys are great! xD!!!"
>Mfw

>>173205570
>Tfw there are people who unironically think you can easily run away from people in revenge
>>173199517

>>173205860
I don't get what you're point is

There is no audio but I made a vid of it anyways.
6-0 brawl as Ledgelord
https://youtu.be/AsjWBvM41Mk

>>173205896
I firmly believe ubisoft designed their matchmaking around having the players be in queue for as little time as possible. I've gone from being matched against feint/ parry/ tech GB gods to "m-my first match :D" toddlers right after the other.

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>>173199517
>Wow this looks like absolutely shitter tier cancer.
>Read the Post Edit at the END of the post.
>He literally lists out what Revenge should be and what I would be fine with it being.
I don't see the issue anymore.

>>173206390
You would be fine with revenge mode defense being buffed by 50%? Because right now people are already unkillable fucking tanks in revenge mode thanks to it

>>173206138
I think he means warden's zone isn't any better for interrupting heavies than most light attacks are

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Fresh PK pasta courtesy of the official forums

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1623869-The-Cold-Hard-Truth

>>173200662
>I'm a lawbringer main lol

That would explain why you're such an insufferable retard

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>>173206486
I'm fine with that as long as they're not just murdering people with a single heavy attack. Honestly, it should allow people to be tanky so they can try and defend so their team can get to them. At least I'll know if I go to parry him in revenge, he won't wreck me if I miss my timing. What he proposed is fine, maybe the number's a bit whack, but raising the defense, removing the power boost and knock down on ridiculous things like shoulder bashes and headbutts would be fine. Then remove it completely from duel and brawl and we'd be set.

>>173206613
this is true, LB truly is only for the most retarded of stubborn people. but am i wrong?

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>>173206612
>10 hours in one sitting.

Oh my.

>>173206708
Revenge defense is already overpowered as shit.
>Playing elimination
>It's 3v1 right now, the enemy is a Lawbringer
>We spend a solid two minutes just gangbanging the shit out of him trying to kill him
>He keeps getting revenge over and over and his defense is so high we barely take down his shield before he gets revenge again
>He also uses his healing feat during this
>Time runs out because we literally cannot kill him thanks to revenge defense being broken
It was fucking ridiculous how he was barely taking any damage

>>173206909
Then we should make it that you can only use revenge a certain amount of times. Like once or twice per life. If that kind of limit were put into place, that kind of infinite life shenanigans wouldn't happen either.

>>173206896
Actually, yeah. Lawbringer is for the people who just want to have fun but hey, I don't think you understand what that means.

>>173207063
?? lol when did this turn into a discussion about whether or not i know what fun means. look man, either argue against what i was pointing out about warden guessing game meta or fuck off lol nobody cares if i main lawbringer or if you think it's fun or if you think i know what fun is

>>173207063
I use LB to counter revenge bullshit.

Just pancake flip them until that shit wears off.

>>173207027
The problem with that though is that it would create a new meta of purposefully ganking someone to give them revenge, then both teammates run away and then come back, repeating until they run out of their revenge limit

>>173207163
I'm not even the same guy you were talking to lol bro u need to take a break, way to triggered.

>>173207315
>Just pancake flip them until that shit wars off
That is if they're not intelligent enough to dodge, it's pretty funny when they don't.

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>>173198912
>Ledged thread

>>173207315
>Playing elimination as Lawbringer
>It's 2v1
>Find the last guy alive
>Pancake flip him
>Holy shit he doesn't know how to escape
>Flip him over and over
>Where the fuck is my teammate?
>Teammate is just watching, refusing to hit him so I'm just wasting stamina doing this
I fucking hate honorfags so goddamn much

>>173207354
That's true. It's a tough matter balancing Revenge. Take away too much and it's useless, take away too little and it doesn't change, and if you add stipulations to it, it just makes it abuseable.

>>173207885
>that was me
>im not an honorfag I just dislike you

>>173207989
It's fine by default, but any gear that alters revenge fucks with it too much.

>>173208058
>>173207989
Revenge was fine, the gear just makes it pure fucking cancer. I wouldn't even mind you two shotting people with it if you didn't gain it at such an insane fucking rate.
Also revenge by injury should have NEVER been a fucking stat on gear. I'm so fucking sick of nearly killing a Roach when he didn't block anything during the fight and he gets revenge and kills me. You're literally being rewarded for taking damage

>>173208047
You cut me deep anon

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>>173208047

>>173206905
Peace keeper is a slut! A SLUT!

>>173207567
If they're in a gangbang and you position right, chances are they won't see you coming. Shugoki and Lawbringer really shut down revenge builds hard in a gank.

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>will have 15000 tomorrow
>Want the weeb-ass petals for my orochi
>Also want the sweet moth hat and green pink colors for orochi
>Also kind of want the new burb hat for my raider
>various emotes and executions for my law, orochi and raider

WHAT DO?

>>173206905
>lewdfics and porn came to a grinding halt
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>173206612
What's hilarious to me is that people were trying to so hard to make the game competitively viable but ubisoft's all but outright refusal to communicate, balance or even fix bugs ended up killing it anyway.

>>173208551
Executions first because they effect gameplay.
Longer ones give more health, and shorter ones leave you less vulnerable to interruption (obviously)

>>173208551
Buy steel

Fem berserker has a nice ass.

>>173209094
>longer ones give you more health
N-NANI?!

>>173209305
You didn't know? I dunno if it's total length that gives health or just length until you stab them. If it's the former, lawbringer's impale is the best execution in the game I think because it gives you a longass execution's worth of health way up front.

>>173208551
afk over night?

>>173209416
I think it depends on how long until the victim is considered executed,

>>173209560
nah, i just will have it after the missions tomorrow. I am at 14607 and could probably grind it out if I wanted to, but im getting tired.

>>173209416
>>173209572
It corresponds to total length (which is why LB's impale is considered the best by people who care) but I'm not sure if it's a 1:1 correlation

>enemy wont fight in the open
>stands near a ledge and waits
>go over and ledge them
>they rage quit
fucking retards

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>tfw enemy fucks up enough that my law light-heavy-unblockable combo actually connects and kills

>>173210510
>Enemy insists on fighting near a ledge
>They don't even attempt attacking, just trying to GB
>Tech every single GB
>They just try waiting for a parry now instead
>Don't attack because it's fucking obvious they want to parry for the free GB
>Quit because it's just a staring match
>Get hate mail calling me a pussy for quitting
I don't get turtles. They do nothing and then get mad when you don't want to keep playing with them

is assassins not getting knocked over by revenge shoves a feat or class trait or some nonsense
because it keeps fucking me up when I move in expecting a free downed hit

>>173210909
There's a bug right now that assassins can abuse to not fall over from revenge throws or throws when they're out of stamina

>>173210909
It's a glitch. They say they'll patch it.

>>173211082
>They say they'll patch it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Jesus Christ I hate and love shugokis at the same time. Fuck them in the ass

>Playing brawls on xbone as Lawbringer
>Enemy team has a rep 1 PK
>Decide I'm not dealing with light spam, ledge them every round I get them
>Final round they quit after I ledge them and send me hatemail "you're so petty"
>Point out that they're the ones who quit
>"I quit because people like you ruin that game"
>Tell them that PK is literally so OP on console she's banned from tournament play, so of course I'm gonna ledge him instead of dying to light spam
>No reply
Fucking PK players man

>>173211570
why is pk OP on console?

>>173211764
Console framerate is low enough that her attacks aren't visible for long enough to react to.

>>173211430
I know the feel dude

>kicking a shugoki's ass, feel sorry for him because he's a big fat teddy bear
>shugoki is kicking your ass, landing lights and headbutts and demon balling you like a pencildicked manlet

watching a shugoki get mobbed by the enemy team is a sad sight though

>>173211764
We have less time to respond to her light spam due to the frame rate difference

>>173211957
B-But muh cinematic 30fps!

>>173211394
I'm right alongside you laughing. Then I look at the hole in my wallet this fucking game left and I get somber again.

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What music does your main listen when taking a break?

https://youtu.be/7IkvAb6THQY

>>173213068
I almost forgot that Red Dead 2 is coming
HYPE

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>>173213068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRAod-m9s9Y

>>173195284
What's S6's playerbase like compared to FH?

As far as I know PC has more than 90k (not concurrent, during event which is couple days in duration), so not AS dead as people say. And each console has +100k each, or so I've heard.

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So bets on the DLC heroes Ninja and Centurion.

>Which will be broken?
>Which will be OP?
>Will they both be broken or OP?
>Will they actually be pretty well balanced, aside from obvious bugs, but people will call them broken/OP?
>Which will be more popular?
>______ mains will switch in droves to centurion.
>______ mains will swoop on the ninja like flies on shit.
>what moves will they have?
>what executions?
>what ornaments?
>what gear parts?
>what class will they be?

>>173214238
we don't know because we don't know their move sets and play styles.
If either of them has a stun or bash that is relatively safe and guarantees a hit it will be top tier.
the ranged GB on the ninja might be good or it might be just a normal GB that can punish kenseis nobushis laws gokis and valks after a heavy parry
orochi mains will prolly play ninja
knights will at least try the centurion
ninja will be assassin, cent will be heavy most likely

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>>173214238

I'll bite
>>Which will be broken?
Ninja, they will want to avoid another super strong assassin and maybe go to far the other way
>>Which will be OP?
Centurion, probably something seemingly mundane will be really exploitable in the current defense meta
>>Will they both be broken or OP?
Nah
>>Will they actually be pretty well balanced, aside from obvious bugs, but people will call them broken/OP?
No matter what people will bitch I expect a million posts about how one or the other is useless or overpowered, true or not.
>>Which will be more popular?
Centurion, I already feel like I see less assassin types. Lot of scumbag PK players but that bitch is broken for now. The other two are actually harder to use well Zerk more so than Roach, so they don't seem to be as popular as heavies have been lately. Centurion looks like a vanguard or heavy and warden and heavies are popular choices.
>>______ mains will switch in droves to centurion.
Warden, probably a similar play style, but lots of warden fans out there play for the cheap wins on their vortex, if the new guy does it better somehow they will flop right over.
>>______ mains will swoop on the ninja like flies on shit.
Roachi, I figure they went to roach in the test phase because it was beyond broken, now all they have is flicker zones and the top light. If the Ninja offers more for them to abuse they will jump on.
>>what moves will they have?
The suggestions in the leak seem likely for a start. Ground pound and ranged GB.
>>what executions?
No clue
>>what ornaments?
Centurion is easy, lots of plumes. For the Ninja maybe headbands.
>>what gear parts?
Blade, hilt, gauntlet and blade, handle, chain
>>what class will they be?
Vanguard maybe or hybrid, and obviously assassin for the ninja.

>Berzerker gets mad at me for playing defensively and counter-attacking as LB
>Gets mad and tells me to be aggressive
>Point out LB is a fucking counter-attacker with 900-1000ms heavies
>He says I'm wrong and quits

What the fuck did he WANT me to do? Also, is it actually possible to "reliably" parry lights as LB? Blocking them is fine, but the stance penalty is really disabling.

>Playing elimination
>Absolutely destroy a Kensei as the Law
>He doesn't know how to counter GB, end up killing him in a single chain of nonstop GBs and side heavies
>He quits during the execution
>The bot that replaces him has a revivable body even though I fucking executed
>That body later gets picked up and we almost lose because of it
This shit has happened several times now, when are they fixing this bug?

>>173215163
I have trouble parrying things like zerker lights or orochi and PK zone if I'm not prepared to switch at that moment aka predicting it. For the most part as long as they aren't across the pond I can parry 500ms attacks with a decent amount of consistency

>>173215163
you dont have to parry all of them so yes, its working as intended, 3 parries and you kill an assassin, while it takes lie 30 lights to kill you, so parrying 1/10 shouldnt be too difficult

>>173215163
berserkers side lights are his fastest attacks so always keep your guard either right or left. Don't go for parries until you've figured out the enemy pattern.

If he's a feinter it's especially important you don't go for parries until you see him follow his feint with an attack. They don't feint twice from experience so try to always parry the attack that comes after his feints.

>>173215529
>while it takes lie 30 lights to kill you
nope

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>Go against another Berzerker as LB
>He also rages at me for playing defensively when all he is doing is waiting to counter attack my lights with a side dodge jab
>Manage to beat him
>He quits
>Get him again
>He picks Warden this time
>I pick Kensei, anticipating a Berzerker pick
>Destroy him the first round
>He beats me the second round because I fuck up a parry
>He mentions how he can't get his Vortex off
>Absolutely destroy him the third round
>He quits as I am executing him

Why do people do this? Even when I am getting creamed I stick around for the most part, unless the person I am playing against is doing something like just standing there guarding as Conq.

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What is the relation between Conq and physics memes? His body and stuff always freak out the most

>>173215846
Probably the flail.

>>173215945
yeah, that makes sense. I don't know if it still does it, but in the betas the flail was effected by normal physics during the dramatic jump scene before games and would just dangle awkwardly

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>Play Dominion.
>Shugoki on the enemy team just exists to charge you over in the middle of every fight and charge heavy you when you're guard broke.
And people say Warlords are shitters.

>>173216312
>Shugoki on the enemy team just exists to charge
Just like any other shugoki

>>173215826
I mean, I quit when im not having fun. Ill be real. I bought this game to have fun not suffer.

>Rep 30 Orochi in elimination
>Abandons every fight the second the round starts for buffs
>Only ever fights if he has teammates to back him up
>Has max sprint speed, he was outrunning a fucking Kensei with the speed boots
Why are Orochi players such fucking faggots?

>>173216554
To be fair, quitting the second you lose isn't leaving because you aren't having fun, it's leaving because you don't want to take the loss. If you quit round one that's one thing, but if you wait until the last round and quit the second you die you're just trying to avoid the loss on your profile

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>>173216754
I see what your saying, It depends on the matchup on when I quit, but Im not going to lie and say I dont rage quit, or quit mid execution. I dont give a fuck about my scores though.

A month later there still hasn't been another balance patch?

I wanna come back to this game, but not in the state I left it in

>LB mirror
>all my light parries fail or are queued into heavy after block
>all my lights get parried
>Feint to GB but doesn't cancel his parry attempts
>his GBs cancel my parry attempts
I'm certain my timing isn't off, but I still feel shit. I don't know if it's lag or the game just fucking me over.
The few times I do parry the lights I go for ad mortem and it sits there for half a second and then does a normal heavy that gets parried.

>>173217556
It's coming "soon" according to Ubisoft.

Don't come back. This game is dead, and they're not even trying to save it.

>>173218056
shame

at least I had ~200 hours of fun around release. I knew why I got into For Honor rather than playing Nioh or Nier at the same time, these are single player and I just finished Nioh and just now getting into Nier.

Or maybe Stellaris: Utopia

What the fuck is with Wardens trying to justify their character, and why is it that 90% of the time Warden is all they can play? I went against a Warden who talked down to me and tried to offer me "advice" when I was Kensei because every single match would go the same way.

>Warden only charges and does zones
>Manage to beat him down to a single bar
>He starts turtling
>No way to finish him off with a heavy because he's turtling
>Eventually he gets a lucky light or zone on me and wins

When he changed to LB and Kensei, I fucking reamed him, and he tried to say he was "rusty". Fucking hell. Why do people who play OP characters INSIST they are fine, and everyone else has to "git gud". The fucker told me "just block the zone lmao", then he couldn't even block the Orochi zone, which has far less range and doesn't have a fucking teleportation module attached.

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>Play a game of elimination
>Recognize one of the players on the enemy team
>I carried his ass in a game last week, I only remember him because he started harassing my friend telling them "return the game and give the money back to your mom" because my friend had zero kills, even though they only had two kills themselves
>Ledge him twice, knowing he'll be salty as shit
>Final round kill him in a fair fight so he has no excuses for losing three rounds in a row
>Sends me this when I refuse him a rematch
What about this game attracts turbo autists?

>>173218251
If they admit that Warden is OP it means that they're accepting that he's going to get nerfed, that and they're accepting that they're playing a crutch character.
So as long as they deny him being overpowered they can tell themselves they're super good at the game and their main totally won't get nerfed

>>173218251
>>173218381
if they admit that the warden is op
then they are trash, like you

>>173206905
Did I miss something?

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>orders changed

What did they mean by this?

>>173218785
This change had the highest priority

>>173218630
Warden isn't inherently OP, but in a matchup like Kensei/Warden then all the Warden needs to do is not try to parry, except the unblockable on reaction, and occasionally throw out a zone/charge light. There's essentially nothing a Kensei can do if he turtles. Other characters, like Conqueror, Warlord, Valkyrie, and even Orochi can punish him way better.

What am I supposed to do against Nobushi as a Lawbringer?
>Parries confirm nothing on her since she's a fucking mile away from me
>All my attacks are too slow for her not to block/parry
>She's countering every GB
Is there actually a way for a Law to beat a good Nobushi, or is it just a bad matchup?

>Daily orders unavailable
Excuse me whaaaat
Do they have to make up for the days where people got more steel by not giving them any daily steel for a few days?

>>173218930
orochi, no

that's why kensei and everything without a charge or some gimic to break defense are considered trash, they have no tools to do anything

>>173219025
You can parry into a light riposte. That's about it, really. If you parry a light I think you can confirm an ublockable off it, though most Nobushi players know that they are nearly invincible if they only use random heavies against Lawbringer.

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>>173218293
I don't know but basking in the salt is hilarious. If people get annoyed at me for throwing them into hazards, I start going out of my way to do it to them.

>>173219071
Orochi is basically Kensei in the situation against Warden, except he can get a double light for a punish against charges instead of a single light.

>>173218293
It's a fighting game. Fighting games attract biggest degenerates the world has to offer, see smash bros, street fighter, MK tournaments and general communities.

>>173219609
smash is not a fighting game

Why are there no dailies today?

>>173218129
He's wrong, they're actively trying to save it. Siege was just as bad on release. Give it a few months and then come back is my advice. They're being a lot more open since people said they didn't communicate enough, now they're putting out weekly "state of the game" letters on their website. I watched their dev stream from about a week ago, and honestly there's not a single problem I could think of with this game that they didn't acknowledge and at least outline a plan to fix. They said right now they're focused on connection issues and making the game stable, but the next patch will still have things like the PK nerf (side dodge attack damage reduced, going by the data it was 20-30% of her overall damage output, also zone being changed to a light so she can't spam it) the giant LB buff, slight buffs to Kensei, Zerker, and Raider, and the nerf on Warlord's headbutt.

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>Posted this screenshot from the official forums earlier, knowing it was a PK main pretending to main Law to claim she's balanced>>173206612
>Actually fucking run into them in game as a rep 9 PK
>PK mains are so fucking desperate to claim she's not broken that they pretend to main low tier heroes and claim she's easy to beat
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>173219912
Smash bros community has all the shit that other fighting games have, while also consisting of nintendownies man-children and everything that comes with them.

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>>173220253
For future threads

>>173219912
>>173220615
Smash definitely has autismos. I've always wondered what would happen if you could send hatemail on smash 3ds. But because you can't people just do weird fucking shit
>Playing ranked on smash 3ds
>Absolutely trash someone
>He rematches
>Instead of fighting he just jumps to his death
>He does this over and over again, for like 10 games in a row
>In his mind he probably thinks he's taking my fun away, but I'm just watching as he inflates my win/loss ratio
That and people will just try running the time out by running away if they think they'll lose

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>>173220797
>pk
>rep 9
>yellow bar

>>173220797
>>173220253
i hope you replied with this image in the thread

>>173220956
You bet your sweet fucking asshole I did anon

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1623869-The-Cold-Hard-Truth/page4

>>173221019
you're doing gods work Anon

>>173221019
the very next reply
>pk is only op because x
>BUT WHAT ABOUT WARDEN???!?!?!?!!?

why is it always warden they pick on to call op
but not warlord or conq that can actually beat pks?

>>173219972

HELLO?!

>>173221071
I'm just so fucking happy I recognized the name in time. I immediately turned on my capture card so I could get these screenshots.
>>173221143
Everyone knows Warlord and Conq is OP. I wish they would stop their bitching and join me in mocking the PK main.

I'm honestly tempted to message them on xbox and tell them to check the thread, but then they'd have my GT, posted in the thread from an alt

>>173221246
really good job anon
every PK main needs to be exposed

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Goddang. No idea how that happened. I didn't feel like I've been doing much more than my teammates at all. Shuggie hugged them, we raped them.

>>173221312
I just find it fucking hilarious the lengths they go to trying to pretend she's not broken. It's one thing if you play her and admit she's broken, it's another to pretend it's just you being super skilled and literally lying online to try to make her seem not OP

>>173221521
>Valkshitter thinking 20 takedowns is good
As a Valkshitter you should be getting at least 100 kills per game considering your leg sweep meme near enough a one hit kill and your javelin meme IS a one hit kill.

>>173221676

Yeah, no.
I also can't spam sweep in skirmish unless I want to lose because it fucks my teammates up as well when we fight together.

>>173221676
It's the current month and you still can't dodge that shit? What class are you playing?

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PK is overpowered.
>Light attack spam, ZA spam, stab meme does FAR too much damage + bleed.

Valkyrie is overpowered.
>Leg sweep spam, far too much damage for simple attacks, meme feats are overpowered and cheap, can kill certain characters in three hits in a duel.

Warlord is overpowered.
>Throws are far, far too strong and abusable, headbutt spam > ZA can't really be stopped, fullblock is broken, etc, etc.

Warden is overpowered.
>Overheads do far too much damage, crushing counterstrike does far too much damage, Vortex is bullshit.

Conqueror is overpowered.
>He can block a lot and does the least amount of damage in the entire game.

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>>173221941
See it the other way around Mr. Shuoki main (because you didn't mention him) maybe, these classes are fine and the others are pure shit and lack the tools a character should have in this game and are not even worth trying until they are fixed.

>>173221823
Not him, but sometimes I literally can't dodge the sweep because of the hitstun from the previous attacks

>>173222086
Oh yeah I forgot Shugoki is bullshit.
>Literally broken overpowered glitch attack on release.
>He runs past you and knocks you 300ft towards the nearest magnetic cliff.
>GB > Heavy does 60 damage and also knocks you off edges.
>GB > Revenge Heavy does 140 damage.
LOL

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>>173221676
>leg sweep meme near enough a one hit kill
Your health is pretty low then? Am I smelling a PK main?

>>173222416
If by "main" you mean I played her in story mode then yeah.

ru semua main konek

>>173222638
What?

>>173206314
>m-my first match :D
this is me.

>>173218930
>There's essentially nothing a Kensei can do if he turtles.
This applies against everyone, not just Warden. It's why Kensei is F-tier right now, he's one of the worst characters at opening up defensive players.

Daily reminder that it is entirely possible for the Warden's opponent to just be underpowered. The game is far from a state where every character except Warden is balanced.

Kensei will be able to use his unblockable directly after a dodge attack today once patch hits

>>173223482
Patch is today? What?

>>173221019
>Keep pointing out in the thread that you literally cannot respond to PK light spam on console
>This bitch just keeps ignoring it and claiming you just have to practice a bunch, even though they're a rep 9 PK themselves
There's no fucking reasoning with these people

>>173223567
it is yes

>>173223736

notes where?

>>173223736
Source on this, other than your ass?

>>173223782
still being finalized
>>173223796
can't get cleaner than my butt

>>173223736
I would believe you, because everyone likes updating to steam at the same time, and an EUIV update is dropping right now.
But as >>173223796
said, give me that sauce nigger

>>173223930
got dev connections

>>173223886

of course Reddit

can always tell a reddit fag or truetalent subscriber by how much they bitch about enviro kills and other "cheap" things

>>173224073
oh yeah? did they tell you about the huge assets bug?

How many hours until devstream?

>>173224279
>no
good source

currently there's a bug with the "deploy all assets across territories" system, its not taking your current assets lets say 1200 and spreading them over evenly, what it is doing is adding 1200 to every territory.

its why when factions get pushed back it gets a huge surge in territory.

>>173224572
source and I aren't talking anything but balance really

sounds like a fun bug but who gives a shit about faction war

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Ded thred, post mains.

I wish we had more three-color paint patterns.

>>173224928
I wish they just let you pick your own goddamn colors

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>>173225000
Would be cool as a Rep 30 reward at the very least.

>>173224702
screen cap the post

they'll be "revamping" the faction war/assets at the end of season two/start of season 3, this gives them time to fix stuff as they're and i quote "using season one as a test round to find issues and fix" season two is where shit will get done

the person didn't going into balance, i asked about bugs with the game and s/he said that this asset bug is annoying the fuck outta the devs, that and the connection issues with the game, but they already said that on stream.

take with a pinch of salt i guess

>>173225042
nah fuck that
I wouldnt want to grind out the equivalent of 900 levels just to be able to pick a not disgusting color

>>173225081
screencap this post

heavy parry no more GB
chip damage huge increase
light attacks no bounce
out of stamina = no parry and dodges slow

>>173225201
no parry on oos makes no sense
the whole point is to bait out a parry that they can't feint and knock them over

>Just started dom match
>Inventory is full
Fuck. I have to learn to get used to dismantling every trash I get right away. I bet something awesome drops now just because I can't pick it up.

>>173225276
no one parrys when out of stamina because of that
also chip damage son, it will become a real proper thing

>>173225359
you can get into the hero menu from the rewards screen tho

>>173225201
>light attacks no bounce
This is bait, they wouldn't make the game For Assassins intentionally.

Would they?

>>173225359
>He doesn't only ever have like, ten items in his inventory at a time.

>>173225397
if chip damage becomes big
then there is a point to parry
you shit, stop lying on the internet

>>173225415
it allows you to actually use chains
it's a good change
also you can already make light attacks not bounce with unlock tech

>>173225483
heavy parry will become more like an interrupt
light parry will stay actual parry

>>173218694
Lewdkeeper was a guy who played a Peacekeeper and acted like a super power bottom in duels. He didn't fight back or anything, he just begged for opponent's cock in increasingly raunchy lines of text.

He got banned from here so he stopped bothering and went to the Knight Discord, where last I heard he actually managed to get a boyfriend as a result of the persona.

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>>173225813
>boyfriend as a result of the persona.

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>>173225813
What the fuck is wrong with this game's community?

>>173225556
this buffs PK

>>173225923
You would honestly think someone so desperate for attention they become a slutty persona online and get dozens of dudes off would be a massive red flag for a relationship. Like I can understand just roleplaying because that's just getting off, but why would you want to be in a relationship with someone like that?

>>173225923
>>173225979
Also his boyfriend was like nearly 7' or something, musclebound as fuck and only lived a couple hours away from him. LK literally living the gay bottom dream.

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>>173226356
Well, if he's happy, he's happy. Hopefully having his boipucci smashed on the reg will keep him from lusting in-game.

>>173226350
LK was actually pretty normal in the KD chat. I saw him talking about weapons and armor one time in great detail.

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>>173226350
>>173226356
>>173226417

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>>173226606
I love these.

>>173226448
That doesn't change how attention starved they are. It's a massive red flag for a relationship

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>>173225813
>>173225923
>>173226350
>>173226356

>>173226680
Meh, LK barely even posts in Discords anymore. Any time he does and people ask where he's been for days, he always says he's been chatting with his bf.

I think the whole LK thing was just a fap persona of his that grew out of hand, and now he doesn't really bother with it.

>>173226795
Of course, the meme got stale and he stopped playing like everybody else, because the game is not fun anymore.

>It's a LK posts about himself episode
Seen that one before

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>>173226743
>>173226662

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>>173227106
>I am the one who asks who he is each time
>Each time I get roughly the same answer, with similar syntax and use of the approx. phrase" "who acted like a power bottom in duels. He didn't fight back or anything"
>It's clearly the same anon replying each time

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>>173227303

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>>173226350
>>173226356
>>173226417

>>173227341
>>173227106
I am the same anon who responds to the question. People want to know so I tell them. What's the issue? Not like anybody here plays the game anymore, so we may as well dwell on shitty memes.

>>173227484
>Not like anybody here plays the game anymore
I play it.

>>173227523
Don't lie anon, it's bad for the soul.

>>173227594
I main Warlord and spend my time purposely ledging and cheesing people to generate salt.

>>173227628

thas it mane

conq/LB here. love that shit. i dont even try win as LB on no enviro kill stages

>>173227484
Speak for yourself and fuck off to your discord then, no need to bring then pseudo eceleb shit to this thread.

>>173227732
It's not like I can't outfight maybe 65% of the people I play against in straight up duels. I just enjoy making people mad and punishing bad positioning/an inability to counter GB.

>>173227742
Oh don't worry I post there way more than here, because those people know how to have fun.

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>>173225813

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Does anyone else have a bad habit of ledging themself in duels? It's like I forget they exist when I don't intend on using them.

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>>173227905
>Talking about a literal faggot that came out thanks to a game
>Fun
Anon just stop, are you even reading yourself?

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>>173227905

>>173221019
>>173220253

not that I'm defending the PK, but the LB is the dudes main, being rep 12 over the rep 9 PK.

>>173227846

same except its more like 90% for me and the guys i couldnt beat fairly 99% of time too good to do some unsafe bullshit near an ledge to get killed

i dont even see anything wrong with enviro kills. i just like how it makes salt. to me enviro kills add another very interesting layer of gameplay and presence of mind to give more consideration to your attack and movement options, for both players, when theres a ledge or spikes nearby

getting salty about it accomplishes nothing. its a fair punish for a bad option, you might as well play SF and get mad for being punished hard on a whiffed super art or getting rushed down and killed by an smg after missing an awp shit in CS.

you go for a bad option and it doesnt work - in any game - you should expect to be punished as hard as possible by your opponent. unless youre a redditor muh honor fag in FH, apparently

>>173228557
>unless youre a redditor muh honor fag in FH, apparently
Oh Christ, I can't fucking stand them. Had a low rank Nobushi in a Dominion game who kept whining about 'no honor opponents' whenever he got 2v1'd.

>>173228048

I intend to use them and it still happens to me

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>>173228557

>>173228694

i convinced people do honourable things in the 4v4 modes purely to be annoying. like living team mates spectating duels during 4v4, complaining about gang fights etc

its a broken fucking mess of game in every aspect in every 4v4 mode. why would anyone bother to roam around duelling in that garbage fest

>>173227905
>>173227742
I've literally never seen people on the discord actually playing the game.

>>173228828

i swear ive had this exact conversation a few times. the assumption that after 200 hours of ignoring the environment that they'll somehow magically stop losing to level 1 lawbringers that can catch a wild heavy or side dash near a ledge

>>173228943
That's why he should fuck off there to /soc/ with his gay friends there because it has no connection to this general

>>173223482
Assuming this isn't b8

what are the Raider buffs

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>want to bind guard left/right+heavy to Q and E for FAST parrys
>can only bind a key once

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>Kensei in my elimination team is a shitty honorfag and we lost because of him
>There is one other guy in my team who understands how this shit is played
>Win all following rounds because we decide to work together
>Enemy Kensei, their honorfag, keeps crying
Kenseis can fuck right off.
Don't play that shit guys.

>>173229364
Not strictly true, it's contextual. You're not allowed to bind outright macros like that, but even the default keybinds use one key multiple times (E and Q being feint and guardbreak, as well as executions)

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>>173229403
>That one teammate who knows how to help you in group fights by keeping other enemies off of your back and bashing/stunning the enemy if they're about to land a heavy on you, but who doesn't feed them revenge unnecessarily.

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>>173229403
Don't bully Ken-sama, he has a hard life as it is.

>>173229403
>playing Orochi
>Kensei shittalking other team, getting them mad
>assume he will suck ass and be an honorfag or something
>he actually just fucks with the other team and baits people into sprinting into his unblockable by attacking 2 times with heavy from afar
>when I'm fighting a turtling warlord he comes over and just unblockables him over and over while the Warlord tries to shove me around

>>173229508
>Go nuts and give enemy guy that is currently in a fight against a teammate revenge accidentally
>No problem because I am a valk
>Shieldbash him until he is out of revenge
Heh

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>>173228557
honor fags are the worst

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>>173229403
>>173229508
>when your teammate focuses on crowd controlling the Revenge build enemy instead of mashing heavies

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>>173229632
>teammate comes and """helps""" you against a Shugoki
>he gets revenge by turtling
>he starts swinging wildly and kills you
>your teammate was trying to shieldbash him down but he has the perk that makes him immune to falling from bashes

>>173229673
>tfw only friend who i play with has loads of work and classes this week
hhhh

>>173229673
>Teammate gets thrown towards an environmental hazard
>Put yourself between them and the hazard so you both get knocked back, but not far enough to kill either of you.

AAAHH
I WAS MISSING1000 STEEL FOR MYTHIC
AND THERE ARE NO DAILY ORDERS
WHAT THE FUCK
WHERE ARE THEY

Are the duel orders even worth it if you don't like duels in this game? Seems like I can get both steel and xp faster by just playing elimination or dom for the same amount of time.

lawbringer should have hyper armour on unblockables

>>173215432
>bragging about shitting on the worst hero in the game
Lol

>>173230049
yea, just realised that. what up with it?

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KENSEI BUFF INFORMATION TODAY?

>>173230498

We got 100 extra steel for a few days already, they have to deny us daily orders for at least one day to stop our steel progression.

>they changed how orders work
>now you can do any of them in either AI or regular matches
PRAISE UBI I CAN PLAY THIS DEAD GAME WOO

>>173230736
>>now you can do any of them in either AI or regular matches

AI modes confirmed for dead.

>>173230736
>not doing the shit ones like
>300 minions
and
>duel 5 times

>>173230845
>playing AI matches with other players

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>>173230967
>People do 300 minions in actual Dominion matches
>I get to sit uncontested on flank points the whole match.

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>15 Skirmish takedowns as a daily order

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>people calling exploits "tech"

>>173231339
>not wanting the free steel and exp

>>173231674
Oh, I kill them whenever I actually end up on the middle lane. I meant more that people are far less aggressive because they're farming minions and it's an easy win.

patch will go live at 11est
get ready

>>173232757
Across all platforms?

Let me give my Warden a quick spitshine: gonna have to be ready to stomp all these Lawbringers that think he's suddenly viable in duels.

>>173231441
That's 1 match unless you play a loser class.

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>high activity
>can't get a match

>>173232890
I think that's 1 match even if you play a loser match: Law and Raider excel at ganking, and you don't need to land the killshot to get the elimination.

>>173232865
no PC only of course

>>173233135
>Blizzard can coordiante patches to be cross platform
>Ubi is just 'lul you get it when you get it'

Okay

>>173232940
Deathmatch? Same. I got an old elim contract I can't do now.

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>>173232890
I managed to get 14 now I have to play that shit mode again just for 1 kill

>>173233313
Either everyone gets it late, or PC gets it early and consoles get it late.

You prefer Blizzard holding back the PC patch to avoid hurt feelings?

>>173233404
It's your own fault for not getting 15 kills in one match.

>>173233547
I feel like it's not that hard to maintain a consistent patch schedule that leaves time for console certification.

I'm on PC, and I would prefer just getting every patch on a Tuesday. Better than having to check in every day and see if its happened yet.

>>173232757
What's the patch notes?

i want more femroach lewdfics

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Why did no one tell me how fun Nobushi is I think I finally found another character besides Kensei

>>173233820
https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-us/news-community/detail.aspx?c=tcm:152-288027-16&ct=tcm:152-76770-32

>>173234239
The only time when I lose to one is when they endlessly spam their ZA in 108 gear revenge mode.
>360° instakill

>>173228736
I find that you must give the ledge it's due respect, if you specifically try to ledge from the very start, you get ledged as a result but if as you're fighting normally you see an opportunity to feed that uncaring beast, the stage hazard god, then do so and the ledge beast will be satisfied and reward you with either victory or
a few more seconds of life.

I sure love this turtle parry meta!
So much fun!

>>173234436
b-but its okay to turtle im playing law haha
being a low tier character makes it okay haha

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>>173234239
Do it mane. Got my man Ken to rep 8, then switched to nobushi. NOW I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE LIGHT ATTACKS, NOT JUST THE TOP ONE. Also unexpected kicks open turtles pretty good, unless they are super collected and focused. Also kick into a wall gives you a top heavy, remember that.

>>173234538
>heavy attack
>cancel
>heavy attack
>cancel
>heavy attack
>cancel

Until someone runs out of stamina and/or parries their attack. Literally every 1v1

>>173234538
Do you think lawbringer feels embarassed when he ledges someone if front of Kensei haha
Also I wonder what lawbringer farts smell like haha
I wanna smell them, just for laughs haha

>turtle Warlord
>I spam shoulder bash the whole fight
>he gets mad
I'll spam the shoulder until this meta ends.

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>>173234436
the game is literally bullshit. no wonder it's literally fucking dead.

The meta is turtle, parry spam and running away on low stamina. Trash game

>>173234261
How good are those kensei buffs

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Give me one reason to keep this game installed

>>173235260
Mediocre imo

>>173235260
pretty fucking spicy

means you can now actually attack with him and you can start your mindgame mixups immediately

>>173233135
>on console
>getting a 'scheduled maintenance in 15 minutes' message

Are you SURE?

>>173235416
it looks like ubi is somewhat listening to the playerbase

>>173235416
there is none. I doubt the devs even have the game installed

stream when?

>>173235443
yes it's just maintenance.
consoles will get patch in 2 weeks or so

>>173235509
>"ubisoft is listening"
>he says after the """"buffs""" are mediocre at best
>peacekeeper and warlord are still broken
>the meta is still meme turtling and parry bullshit
Yeah, they sure are listening

>>173235416
https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-us/news-community/detail.aspx?c=tcm:152-288027-16&ct=tcm:152-76770-32

>>173235680
see>>173235630

>>173235680
>helmspitter can chain into the finisher
oh baby

>>173235630
the turtle meta will be gone in the next two months

>>173235630
The ken buffs look good!

Side lights sped up by 100ms and you can now initiate the top heavy unblockable after helm splitter and side dash attacks.

>>173235832
>takes them nearly 5 months to fix the biggest problem of the game

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>>173235680

>super armor after 2 hits for zerker

Oh shit

>>173236157
>Can still get parried
worthless

>>173218251
im a warden main but im forcing myself to play with the normal attacks and im also playing law atm, can you forgive me anon

>>173235630

Headbutt is very much dodgeable now and he can't even 50/50 it into something else. Warden is more broken now.

>>173236183
this

>>173236157
wank buffs

she cant open anyone unless she just use lights

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>Kensei can now go into the unblockable/mixups directly after a side dash light or a forward dash light
>Side dash lights now safe on block
>Side lights 100 ms faster

THE TIME HAS COME

WHILE YOU LAUGHED AT US WE STUDIED THE BLADE

>>173236748
>she

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https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-US/news-community/152-288027-16/release-notes-for-v105
Cleaner URL for when it's added to the next OP
You WILL add this to the next OP, whoever makes the next thread, right?

>Conq nerfs mean that conq is now worst character by a long way presuming the LB buffs will be good practice
>As a result of any character with a bash -> light combo having guaranteed follow up on bash, Warden and Warlord are now, by a long way, indisputably top 3 along with the as yet untouched-in-any-meaningful-way, PK.
>shugo still can completely ruin any game he entered with dash knock down spam

"we didnt wanna overnerf PK by fixing her light attack spam just yet guys, but we absolutely fucking ruined conq and threw the balance of the top end of the roster completely out of wack as a result"

nice. great game, great devs

>>173236894
>he

>>173236894
>>173237032
Assuming genders whatsoever

>>173237130
sorry xir

>>173236803
the mind games that this will cause, it's beautiful

>no fucking Raider buff
fuck you, Ubisoft

The maintenance is adding the new content of the week: Free Roam Emotes. They're already live.

>>173228524
they literally just play 4v4s my dude, their "main" is superfluous

>>173236971
But they explained PK's nerfs plenty. Zone attack can now be stuffed, is more reactable and can't be spammed in revenge (you are literally locked out from doing a zone cancel again for .6 seconds). Side-dash stabs do less damage and are more unsafe on block because they were clearly the PK's best defensive option for protection and damage. Combined with the deflect stab buff, the gap between the two attacks is wider and offers a more meaningful choice: do you want the raw dodge, or do you want the riskier deflect for a bigger payoff?

I get that people are still miffed they haven't nerfed LL yet, but these nerfs are a good first step.

>>173237245
>Shugoki got his singing emote
O U R T I M E I S N O W