Etrian Odyssey General

>>173168989
Oh, I wasn't planning on actually doing something like that (though it does sound kinda fun if I just rampaged through the game with the strongest drive blades and 5 imperials) I was just curious IF you could

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Let's start the thread off with class

>>173171759
You forgot previous thread
>>172869650

Has anyone ever tried to make a normal attack built in EOU work?
There are so many skills - two attacks, more crit, better crits - but it all looks like crap.

Also what the hell is Strike Chaser? How is that supposed to work?

>>173172542
My bad anon

>>173172562
If you want a legitimately pretty good normal attack build try EOU2's Landsknechts.

>>173173594
I did this with two double attack landsharks and a perfect chaser ronin for a chase party and it was really fun, though I don't remember the exact builds (I think the other two were sovereign and beast)

>run, Arianna, leave this to me!
>btfo the core
>hide
>shoot a laser off across the sea
>wait until party of retards run off after it
>emerge, relax and marry Regina

Fafnir and Regina look way to similar. They have both brown skin and bright hair. Everyone would think they are siblings.

>>173178146
why is there a boy in the right corner

>>173178146
One of them is not like the others...

>>173178427
It's a female(male)
That counts, right

>>173172562
Strike chaser isn't all that complicated in practice but it's pretty hard to explain so I'll just link this: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/709464-etrian-odyssey-untold-the-millennium-girl/68474886 , search for "Chase command".

It's very much a skill you need to build around but it's actually pretty powerful when your party supports it.

>>173183372
give ricky the dicky

Class from IV that EO3U's heroine should be rankings

1. Imperial
2. Nightseeker
3. Sniper
4. Dancer
---Power gap---

100. Arcanist

---Power gap---

100000. Bushi

>>173183979
Linkshark.

>>173183979
Switch NS and Sniper, put Runemaster below Imperial.

>>173183979
We all know EO3U's heroine is going to be Gunner again

>>173184440
Buccaneer exists you know.

>>173185032
But their gun skills were all shit

>>173185409
Well yeah but another point of untolds is to fix classes

>>173185409
True but at the same time all of their skills were shit except for Eagle Eye, Boost Up, Swashbuckling, and Pincushion.

Anyone know what I should level up on my EO1 troubadour next?
I got bravery and relaxing 10, divinity at 5, elemental buffs at 1, erasure at 3.

>>173177613
So you're a faggot because you look like one?

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>>173183979
>not wanting a bunny waifu
I'm surrounded by plebs

What is the skill that allows either bushis or dancers to regen TP on hit? Or it's some sort of equip that does that?

>>173188442
>bushis
The Proficiency line of skills.

>dancers
They don't have one. You can reduce TP costs with Energy Tango.

Use the skill sim.

>>173183979
>not ranking the obvious linkshark
>putting lolimperial first

I'll never understand why only the first 2 stratums of EO3 have shortcut indicators.

Like, what the fuck? Why not add it to all of them? Why does Fatlus want to force me to check things online?

Is it still like that for EO4?

>>173189660
>force me to check things online?
I was going to tell you to hump the walls like the rest of us, but maybe you should just kill yourself instead.

>>173189660
This is why you miss events

>>173186908
Anyone? Is the hp buff or the regen buff worth it or am I better off just going with Immunize + bravery + relaxing for bosses?

>p5 releases
>waiting eo5 news
>still hurting inside
>every day seems to never end
>suicide maybe only choice

>>173191429
Sorry anon, I've never tried a EO1 Troub before. It seems to me like Immunize/Bravery/Relaxing is all you need for boss battles, but the healing skills might be nice for improving the amount of time you can spend exploring.

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So why are you guys still bumping this general when it's clear Fatlus has no plans to localizing any of the new games because this is a niche series?

>>173183979
screw EOIV EOUIII should have DEEP ONES as a new class for dat third route

>>173193154
Love interest will be a qt Imperial girl.

MC will be a fish monster.

>>173188253
Fuck off, you disgusting furfag. EO4 was a mistake pandering to you lot.

Another question about the late game in EO1.
Is it worth retiring as soon as my characters hit the level cap?
It shouldn't take too long to powerlevel the characters back to reasonable levels with divinity.

>>173194473
not really in EO1
maybe if you can high speed grind or something

>>173194473
Max level is 70 in EO1

>>173195486
Yeah, and I'm 55 currently, finishing up side quest before heading to stratum 5.

>>173195625
Wait until you hit the level cap to worry about needing extra power beyond the cap.

>>173195732
Well I rather not waste any time sitting at the max level if the post game needs retired characters.

>>173195990
it doesn't unless the extra 6 skill points will break your build

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ded

>>173189862
(you)

>there are people who go Arbalist/Gladiator instead of Gladiator/Arbalist

why

>>173205258
>There are people who doesn't go Arbalist/Buccaneer

>tfw 3 was the last game to be be even remotely decent
Where did it all go so wrong

>>173205614
Have you played V yet?

>>173205614
>Where did it all go so wrong
EOIV and EOV are casual shit.
This is why people want EOU3

>>173205258
Giant Kill, but I still prefer Gladiator/Arbalist because it's a lot more tanky.

>>173205764
How was IV casualised? You don't have to play on easy mode.

>>173205318
Crit + Swashbuckling?

That doesn't seem half bad, actually

>>173205909
You are already on easy mode.

>>173205808
Would either of them be more effective with Front Mortar or Nine Smashes?

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>>173205764
>EO3
>Not casual

Come back when you can hang with the big boys, kiddo. Enjoying that sidestepping with your bottle and pacifier?

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Himukai is really good at drawing cute boys.

>>173206009
Cloudbuster and Lady Luck

>>173206474
Skills can't crit

>>173206358
Keep dreaming Teachfag.

>you will never be a novice explorer ever again

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>>173206646
>Skills can't crit
I seriously hate that vital information can only be adquired by datamining the game

>>173208406
How new are you?

>>173208805
I've playing since the first game

>>173183372
What is it that makes this creature so erotic?

>>173208406
Japs, my friend

Regardless, you should have noticed you weren't getting any crits at some point

How easy/casualized is EO4, exactly?

>>173209587
It's probably the easiest EO, not counting the post-game.
However, it's not casualised mechanically, besides sub-classing being even more of a balance disaster than in 3.

>>173210593
How exactly is subclassing even more broken than in 3? Isn't it why they limited the level of the class skills from the subclasses?

>EO5 has no subclassing

why

>>173210963
Because only some subclasses work with eachother.
Might as well just organize the different builds, to the players convenience.

>>173210593
Is the post-game in EO4 hard? Harder than EO3?

>>173211257
No at all. Postgame is a joke, except maybe for postgame boss without chems

>>173210872
The fact that most skills in 4 have sharply diminishing returns past half investment makes that less of a solution that it would have been otherwise.
Because of the way skill-trees are set up It's very simple to build a team that can cover every element, status effect and bind, those skills are more spread out over different classes in 3. There are also passives that make a class dramatically more effective for little investment, like Fortress with Fan Dance.

>>173210963
Subclassing was a mistake, the player should have to make compromises in building their party, not have everything available all the time.

>>173211257
I think Hall of Darkness is probably the hardest dungeon in the series. Most of the encounters have gimmicks that can wipe you in a couple of turns.

>>173211436
>the hardest dungeon in the series.

>No instakill-petrify normal enemies (the only one that petrify you are in an event only)
>One enemy can get shut down easily by killing it first
>Lions waste a lot of turns sleeping, they can be easily killed before they even have a chance to attack.
>Just 3 floors

Also, Origin Rune just destroy everything in that fucking dungeon.

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>>173210963
the game would be even more broken

>>173211436
Sharply diminishing returns is actually a very good idea.

>>173212248
It's good and bad. EO4's skill trees are more interesting than the other games' imo, but it means that skill points are much less meaningful late in the game when you start to specialise.

Nene is such a best.

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>>173209051
Because she loves the dicky

>>173211661
>No instakill-petrify normal enemies (the only one that petrify you are in an event only)

You can encounter the flowers outside of that one event.

>Lions waste a lot of turns sleeping, they can be easily killed before they even have a chance to attack

Only if they don't get woken up by Blood Pact. And the ones using Blood Pact are Hollows so there is a chance of missing.
Also you will not always be able to kill them first because:

>One enemy can get shut down easily by killing it first

You want to kill Thunderspawns first.
As well as King Dragonflies because their skill gets more hits the more enemies died and can one-shot most of your party members.
So an encounter can have three high priority targets spread over both lines - and a Lion that prevents you from spamming area attacks.


>Also, Origin Rune just destroy everything in that fucking dungeon

Unfortunately it also wakes the Lions and if you use Quick Step + Origin Rune you will waste the sleep damage bonus.
Which can be enough for you to be unable to take out the Lion that turn.

So yes - if you have the perfect team Hall of Darkness is easy. But that's the case in every post-game except maybe EOU.
But if you have a team that is lacking key components - an Imperial, Origin Rune, Quick Step, a Fortress - then it is one of the most interesting post games we ever had.

Since I was missing some of these components I had to make do with what I have and solve the puzzle encounters with sub-optimal tools.
Most fights were won by using Burst skills which felt pretty good.
imagine if EO2U's post-game encounters weren't a complete joke but sometimes forced you to use Force - just for random battles.
Sure, Burst reloads faster than Force but the principle is comparible.

>>173216931
Those are some expensive mushrooms.

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>>173213052
And as pointed out before, it completely wrecks the whole point of halving max levels for subclasses.
Since pre-reqs are so lenient and there were far less mastery 10-point sinkholes, there was really no harm on keeping a constant increase in efficacy.

>>173211661
What is so good in origin rune? Just the fact that it deals untyped damage so nothing is safe?

>>173218570
I think making the later half less powerful has some interesting upsides.
For example Runemasters are more about the shape of their attacks than they are about simply matching colours like Alchemists and Zodiacs.
So having more skills is better for them but since their passives are also really good (since most effect all their skills) you would spread your points really thin.
Being able to have most active skills at half max rank -1 without being a waste of space helps with this problem while also making their TP last almost indefinitely.

The biggest problem with Balancing is really just Blood Surge being the wrong way around.
If the HP and TP costs would sink as the rank goes up instead of increase x/B would be way less good while Bushi main class would get a nice push.

>>173211257
varies
dunno if hraesvelgr and leviathan are counted as such but they are piss easy. Iwaorofamalamdingdong is piss easy. Dragons vary wildly, with blizzard king being a total pushover, great dragon being utterly mediocre and storm emperor and fallen one being absolute cunts. Hall of darkness kinda varies as well - first floor is harmless outside of muskoid event and wrath bloom for lower levels (basically if you can't one turn it prepare for fun), second floor is kinda mediocre with thunder spawns being the only monsters of note and third floor is ass cancer.

>tfw I needed to play something so I picked up P5
>only made it the second dungeon amd already bored as shit

It's all style and no substance. A shame this is what Atlus has to rely on to make money. A shame that EO will always be that copy pasted shoestring budget game on an underpowered handheld, maybe it's actually a blessing

>>173219247
>expecting substance from a fucking persona game

>>173218912
Some things in Hall of Darkness take really low damage from everything but almighty (also called untyped) damage.
Namely Thunderspawns who sit around inactive taking single digit damage from every element (includding physical elements).
But as soon as one of the other monsters dies they become active and start spamming hart hitting area attacks that can one-shot many classes and two-shot all besides really tanky Fortresses.
There are a lot of dangerous enemies you want to deal with quickly but you can't since the Thunderspawn would activate and wreck your shit. And since they take so little damage they can be hard to kill quickly.

One of the FOEs takes similar damage to Thunderspawns and overall monsters tend take at least lower damage from many sources.
Except Origin Rune, Assault Drive and Silver Arrow - and of those only Origin Rune is area based.

>>173219410
How many levels in it do i need anyway? Around 4 would be enough?

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>>173219101
But that's a very specific problem endemic to runemasters. Basically too many good skills that require high investments. One way to fix it would be to further decrease how many points it takes to max them. Another would be to make scaling linear intead of the "milestone" system we've always had (although admittedly that was already softened). And the last one would be to keep this diminished scaling exclusive to such classes.
Compare with medic which has the opposite problem, where getting high skill levels is so utterly worthless that an A/M does a better job in every regard.

Although I agree that by far the main problem was with blood surge. They really didn't think that skill through and ended up emulating EO3's biggest problem.

>>173219545
I just looked into it.
Turns out Thunderspawns don't take single digit damage from everything, only from Volt.
They do take 15% from everything else though.
And the Trigourd FOE takes single digit damage from everything.

Anyways, dormant Thunderspawns only have 242 HP.
If you have the class skill and some points in Rune Mastery and Runic Flare even one point in Origin Rune should be enough for them.
But four points are obviously better.

>>173219247
>on an underpowered handheld
Sure 3DS is weak but I'm pretty sure that it can handle much more than what EO puts it through. Without EO5's egregious popping issues.

>>173219865
I think Medics biggest problem is not that their scaling is less good after the halfway point but that it is already too high at the halfway point.
Like all main healers they have the problem of healing more than a porperly built group should ever need while offering too little outside of it.

But if you lower the overall scaling Medics will start to feel utterly mediocre at every level.
And even if you only lower the scaling for early ranks and have them ramp up massively on the higher ranks your Medic will feel extremely weak in the early game and be a massive TP drain in mid to late game.

The only reason Monks were run in EOIII is the interaction between Form Qi and Protect Order giving you an incredible proactive healing buff and lots of free turns to use other buffs.
Basically you actually ran a Princess with another class skill (and bind removal and resurrect).

Main healers are just never good in EO since preventing damage is a better and more active strategy than healing it up.
Even in the original where Medics are king they weren't mainly healers - they were outstanding buffers and decent attackers with some healing attached to them.

What do you think of EO4 locking skills behind level gates? It made up for the fact there were no masteries, but simply raising the requirements on later skills could have accomplished the same thing.

Then there's the problem that Sniper has almost no good master skills whereas Nightseeker doesn't become useful until that point.

>>173220906
>but simply raising the requirements on later skills could have accomplished the same thing
Then you would have to redesign the subclass system.

>>173220906
The best thing that came out of level gating is that we got a poison skill that would not completely wreck the early game (since you could not take it early) but instead stayed relevant late game.

Although EOV seems to have found a better way by scaling poison damage with your level.

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I'm staring EO2U soon and I'm thinking of good party combos.
Are there classes or class combinations I should NOT use? You don't have to tell me a good combo, I want to try making one myself

>>173227592
Ronin is severely underpowered in EO2U.
They lost Slantwise Cut from EOU and instead their stance entering skills now are glorified normal attacks.
I'm serious - they start at 100% normal attack damage and leveling them up puts them at 210% at level 10 and 295% at level 20 (new Grimoire system).
Since the damage always sucks and you have to level up a different skill to make Stances better and last longer they are not worth more than one point.
So basically any fight you start without having a stance procc will start with you doing basically nothing - including random battles.
Also they are the only pure damage class with a Force Boost that does not increase their damage.
And overall their damage is pretty lackluster and their TP too high.

You should not stack Troubadour and Sovereign. Both are buff classes so they steal each others main job.
Similarely stacking Protector and Beast is bad since two tanks is too much.

Sword Dark Hunter has anti synergy with War Magus since War Magi love ailments on enemies and Sword Dark Hunters love to remove them - but why would you run Sword on Dark Hunter in the first place?

And then there is the edge case of you using Barrier on the turn someone uses Stigmata but that is a really special case.

For your team synergy keep the new diminishing returns on buffs in mind:
Buffs/debuffs that increase the damage you deal and buffs/debuffs that decrease the damage you take get less useful the more you have.
The strongest in each category is 100% effective, the second strongest 60%, the third strongest 20% and everything beyond does nothing.
The Troubadours Preludes and Fantasias adnt he Beasts Protection Vow don't fall under that system though.
Charges and effects that are only in place for one turn like the Troubadour's Crusade also aren't effected by this system.
(Or in short: Don't take more than one or at most two buffs and or debuffs that increase your damage. And at most one buff that increases your defence.)

>>173227592
Don't do beast+protector. That's it really. Stacking sov+troubadour means they run out of things to do quickly and you miss out on what another character would do. Also stacking the same kind of buff or debuff has diminishing returns so you'll want to mix them up. Everything else is like, whatever, do what you want

>>173227592
Literally pick the 5 cutest portraits then make it work.

You should be doing this for every Etrian Odyssey game.

>>173229496
That's my main criteria, I'm not a total newfag,

>>173229117
>>173229360
Also, thanks for these!
A bit disappointed that Ronin is not that great, it has great portraits.

>>173229694
Yeah well tell me which portraits you think are the 5 cutest and I'll tell you whether or not your party is any good.

>>173230456
The choice between bandaged Ronin and kimono Ronin is the most difficult decision in the whole series.

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>>173230497
How's my taste?
I'm willing to negotiate about troub and shiitake

>>173230807
The choice to not take either is pretty hard too.

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>>173231352
Missing several best girls but Hexer and Fang nets you a pass.

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>>173229117
EOU ronin shared the first problem though. For most battles you either spend the first turn activating the stance manually or using slantwise cut. Now I don't remember if slantwise cut was stronger or not than the new activators and it saved you a couple skill points, but on the other hand the new attacks fully activate the stance so in that sense we're better off with the trade.

Anyway, the rest is true: not all strong for a class that requires setup and their force boost while unique and useful just loses to every other offensive class.

At least they have it better than actually useless classes from other games.

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>>173231567
Fang is great
Post more Fang

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>>173231847

>>173231571
Slantwise Cut is only slightly stronger - but it's something since it's only a single skill to throw out in random battles so I prefer it.

In addition stances are buffs in EOU and while that means they take up a buff slot it also means the Troubadour's Taboo Rondo can increase their duration indefinitely instead of getting a three turn grace period in exchange for having no proper Force Boost.
And lastly Stances have a 33% chance to activate at the start of a battle at rank 10 instead of rank 20. So in EO2U you need a Grimoire slot to recreate that effect.

Overall Ronin is a bit easier to use in EOU and other classes are not that far above her since Force Boosts don't exist.

>>173231847
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=512134

>>173171759
>http://sq-atlus.jp/sfd2/
This is news to me. How much chance does this have getting localized?

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Who approved such erotic female portraits?

>>173232549
Higher than EOV :^)

>>173232656
Do you think Lunarians wear panties?

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>>173232656
good people

Is it possible in EO5 for a character of any race to be any class, or are classes locked to races?

>>173233390
unlocked later on

>>173233390
anyone can reclass to anything

>>173233435
>>173233441
That's great, I tried the demo but couldn't figure out enough moonrunes to know if I was missing something.
I find it funny that part of the sequel's innovation is readopting an ancient genre convention.

>>173233435
later on as the first floor

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>>173231847

>>173233767
Still not right away

Does insatiable pupa always explode or you can prevent this by killing it?

>>173215324
>You can encounter the flowers outside of that one event.
But they don't petrify outside the event, I tested it. 99 turns and no petrify

>>173234267
Bullshit because i got a few petrifies by random ones

>>173234431
What was your party?
I was using
Landshark/Imperial
Medic/Sniper/Runemaster

99 turns, 0 petrify. Then I tested the same in the event, and my party was wiped in 10 turns

>>173233603
You can reclass as soon as you finish the first mission (mapping out the first floor).

>>173234267
Did you damage them? Muskoids only use their are petrify if they are damaged but not killed.
On full HP they should use a single target petrify but there might be something in their AI surpressing this in certain group combinations.

>>173234717
N/B L/RM R/I
F/S M/A

>>173234879
>On full HP they should use a single target petrify but there might be something in their AI surpressing this in certain group combinations.
Maybe a bug or something? Because I literally was never petrified when I used to play EOIV, this is why I tested this after I completed the game.

>>173234267
The absolutely do unless they're headbound. I've seen game over multiple times in those encounters. It's a single target before they're damaged and an all target afterwards.

>>173235163
Probably either AI bug or you got really lucky because they keep spamming pollen and i can't switch to a better charm because of that

>>173235163
Same here. I always see memes and fan art about how fucking hard HoD is because of the encounters and the petrify flowers, but I've never been petrified by them and the rest of the enemies were total pushovers.

I really wonder what scientists did to the guy writing EO story that he hates them so much.

>>173237635
they went too far

>>173237758
too far in what
did they steal his waifu or something

>>173237808
They told him Santa Claus doesn't exist.

Why even make some complicated weakening compound instead of making something like acid or napalm

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I haven't been here in a while, and thought I'd check to see if there was any news on EOV since the last time I was here. ...I'm disappointed, but not really surprised.

drawfags when

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remove plants

Were Formaldehydes a mistake?

>>173240573
curse damage and instant death/petrify conditionals were a mistake
formaldehyde is the best thing ever

>>173234879
Or it might depend on the floor number. Some enemies have different AI routines they follow depending on what floor you run into them at.

>you can cheat yourself a cell membrane grimoire
i wonder if they playtested this game at all

>>173238878
Probably because normal shit doesn't work on the insect.
The scientists report talk about how they tested different stuff and nothing had any effect. They certainly didn't start with water and cotton candy to try and kill this thing but its natural defences are just too strong.
Nightseekers for example have poison able to melt some of the strongest monsters out there in mere seconds but it does shit all against the insect.

If you substitute the color coded chemicals for neurotoxins and other fancy stuff their research looks somewhat believable.
"First you have to use the neurotoxin to temporarely disable its reflex to flush dangerous substances out.
Then you can inject the acid to burn the fleshy insides of the chitin elements it uses to cover its breathing orifices.
But careful - if you use pesticides after the neurotoxin it will still cramp up and hold its breath making in invulnerable to further chemical attacks."
But our uneducated party that probably can barely read the thousand year old script (language evolves ans stuff) and has no idea about science all they get is something like: after blue use green but not white.

>>173242960
I still don't believe it would survive being burned to death seeing how you can kill this thing even without chemicals
Same as with "the tree will turn into abomination if it eats too much shit, instead of just making more trees so none will get a dose big enough let's make some nuke which doesn't even work"

>>173243815
They likely didn't have enough material lying around for this.
Whatever the trees are made of it's certainly not some everyday wood or dirt or something.

EOIV is a somewhat special case - in the Hall of Darkness it is outright stated that they build the tree after the apocalypse while they were actively starving because everthing was poisonous.
Even with the help of Vessels, Sentinels and Hollows before they turned rogue they barely managed to built one tree.
And by then most of their scientists that understood how any of that shit actually worked were dead and the rest formed the empire with a lot of dangerous half-knowledge.

For comparison Ricky comes from before the apocalypse so the Yggdrasil project was already underway in Etria.
But from the diary entries in the 5th Stratum and what Visil says its clear he barely made it in time while everyone around him was dying.

So I don't hink trees are just something you can make on a whim.

What level should I be for the 5th stratum boss in EO3?

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>>173240169

>>173245673
which one? 55ish

>>173245745
I actually have no idea, I don't remember which route I took, but I think it's not the neutral one(that's the one with the hardest boss, right?)

>>173245687
remove treehuggers

Just starting EO2U. Is there a point in picking a medic over a War Magus? I guess what I'm asking is whether the War Magus sacrifices healing capabilities for attack strength, or something like that.

>>173246657
War magus has incredible attack strength with one of the best attack skills in the entire game.
They also have Barrier which with some Grimoire investment is able to prevent any binds, ailments and even debuffs on the entire party.

Medic has better bind and ailment removal and the best panic button in the game (it revives, heals everyone to full and cleanses everything).

They heal in different ways.
Medic has your standard heal skill. Whenever they are able to act, healt will rise.
War Magus heals slightly less but still enough in my opinion - and their heal is cut in half. One half at the start of the turn one at the end.
Which means it's decent reactionary and proactive healing in one skill.
Also War Magus has Vampire which heals their line for a percentage of the damage they deal against targets that have an ailment. Since they deal so much damage and are so very slow it's often enough to keep your frontline topped of.

>>173246657
no unless you absolutely don't want grimoires or really need party wide status recovery

>>173249180
>paw pad
>>>/d/

>>173250216
>not liking paw pads

>>173249180
STOP POSTING NUDES THIS IS A BLUE BOARD

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>>173250391
nude dogs licking wounds at incredibly hihg speed

>>173250371
Paw pads are lewd.

>>173251176
furfag pls

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Did this just become a furry thread?

>>173252386
It's the natural EO progression.
EO: only humans
EOII: Beasts join in
EOIII: a class all about summoning many different animals
EOIV: Sentinels that are restricted to Bushi class
EOV: Therians that can be any class and on top of that have a class that fights with even more animals

The longer the series went on the more and more furry it got.
Although dogboys being so very attached to straight up dogs is a bit too much for me.

>>173252386
See these post. All of them are master1200. Probably a samefag, most likely a samefag.

>>173249180
>>173250741
>>173251084
>>173251781

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>>173252915
>implying anyone but you cares about master1200 for pics under 1200 pixels high/wide

>>173252885
nothing wrong with being attached to your pet, not like it happens in real life all the time

>>173253134
Why is that girl on the left so flat?

>>173253256
Because it's a girl (male)

>>173253134
I seriously hope Sentinels aren't that small.
Can you imagine Kibagami being smaller than you? He would look ridiculous...

>>173254790
that's clearly a kid

>>173231352
Good taste but lolidour isn't that cute

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>>173255280
LIES

>>173255280
literally wrong

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>>173254790
They look normal, but I didn't think Vessels were that small

>>173255625
>>173255510
dancer mode is better

>>173255734
They are even cuter now.

Also damn that Sentinel, having cute girls all over him.

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>>173255809
Well yeah, EO1/2 designs are comparatively lackluster to EO4.
But lolibard is still among the cutest of her bunch.

Why is the Armoroad tree so tiny?
Even if we assume it continues below the Deep City the Porcelain Forest is not part of it.
So that's four regular strate with 4 floors and the post-game stratum with 5.

That's 21 floors and so even smaller than the High Lagaard one with 25 floors. And that one seems to continue far underground if the Calamity in Ginnungagap is impriosoned by it.

>>173261901
devs ran out of money. like it's a secret EO runs on basically "keep the devs fed" budget
same reason why eo 4 maps are so tiny

>>173261901
Yggdrasil was divided by the deep city and Armaroad wasn't it?

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>>173261901
Tharsis' wasn't expectacularly big either... and it didn't really have any floors anyway.
>High Lagaard one with 25 floors
It was 20, the flying castle was a separate building.
Also, tree roots tend to grow very far, so much that their size often surpasses the tree itself. Which something you probably want to achieve if your tree has to clear pollution from a good chunk of the earth's surface.
Also I hope that's the Untold rendition of Yggdrasil and High Lagaard, because the EO2 one is pitifully small. Just how the hell is that a DUCHY? And how can the inside of the tree be so massive when the tallest tower in the "city" is like 10 stories tall and almost reaches the canopy?

Then there's Etria's yggdrasil. That thing isn't a tree buck a forest made from a clonic tree and I have no idea of how to quantify that.

>>173263728
>It was 20, the flying castle was a separate building.

Oh, right. So the Armoroad tree goes at least further down than the High Lagaard one goes up.

And in EO2 High Lagaard is really tiny. That's a military outpost at most, not even a proper Fortress.
But EO2U's High Lagaard looks pretty nice in the city development screen. And the shots you see of Yggdrasil make it look actually impressive.

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This fight was intense.
Too bad she just kept spamming the same skills though.
She's like those people who max out skills and keep depending on only those.
Stupid noob.

>>173255734
>ywn have a lolistick clinging on your back

>>173267494
When I fought her she varied her attacks quite a bit. It was pretty tough to quess right when she would use a her ice attack and when not.
Picking the wrong defensive skill could pretty quickly kill one or more of my party members.

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>>173267187
The art that includes Ginnungagap's ravine shows the city and the tree being a bit more reliable and less cramped with the tree still being impressive.
Then there's this Lagaard street view that I don't recall ever seeing in game. I wish they had used this for the city menu instead of EO2's pitiful depiction.

Still, High Lagaard's is massively dwarved by the one in Arcadia. Which to this point I don't even know if we get to climb at all in the old-fashioned way.

>>173269378
From what I read of translations we climb the tree in your standard fashion (so from the inside).
All the stuff around Arcadia is only used in the character creation screen to show where the different races live.
There are some rumors they originally planned to go the EOIV route with an overworld but nothing concrete is known.

Also afaik EOV goes with the same "the labyrinth was once open, got closed off and is now open again" we see in EO(U) and EO2(U).

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>>173269914
That's quite disappointing actually, kinda. When they showed us that massive tree, that massive and varied continent and those two moons, I knew they weren't going to be able to deliver a game fitting that kind of scope.

But i was pretty sure that the forest and the canyon were the forest at the middle of the continent and the rocky desert to the west. And I kinda recall a later stratum being that city to the north-east?

>>173270646
That might have been their plan but the lackluster EO2U sales probably put a damper on that.
They even revered back to the EOIII way of generating the dungeon while you wlak through it instead of saving it preassembled like in EOIV and the Untolds to safe space so they could use smaller cartridges.

Or maybe hiring forty voice actors for what amounts to background chatter was too expensive.

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we ded

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more brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeHMvnV5z-E
What's this wub wub shit

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>>173271480
There was just no way. EO2U sales were lackluster only on the launch window and recovered quite well after that.
But even disregarding that, the scale EO5 just made no sense. All the elements present in that drawing require a game that's about three times the size of the usual EO game. Not just because of the number of floors and dungeons but also several systems like travelling (EO4 style just wouldn't do justice to the scale), scaling the game, levels and skills to fit so many floors or constructing a critial path that goes both upward and away from Yggdrasil in a cohesive manner (again, the Gladsheim/Ginnungagap way wouldn't cut it). And then a story and script that can justify and wrap all of that up. Additionally, it should be engaging enough at advanced points that it doesn't cause player burnout.

This was just horribly ambitious and it would need to be a project on a scale unlike anything that's on 3DS. I bet the budget would be closer to Persona than past EO games.

On the other hand, it was brilliant. The finished game delivers just enough to satisfy EO fans since it's by no means a smaller or poorer game than usual and the gargantuan dimensions of everything on that key visual inflated hype enough for it to last a whole year with no news or updates. Win by feeding the buzz for a year with just one single hit, win by delivering a good enough game.


The cartridge thing is pretty shitty though. Specially if they intended to be fancy with the labyrinth design. Either keep using larger cartridges or tell art design to knock down ambitions by a notch but don't go for both, you assholes.

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>>173274695
brown is best

>>173275580
>but also several systems like travelling (EO4 style just wouldn't do justice to the scale)

Why even bother with that?
Gladsheim is a day's worth of travel away from Etria and you don't travel the distance yourself.

You could easily have smaller EOIV style lands that are not directly connected.
Just make sure to have Yggdrasil stand in another direction and maybe have some other viewpoints like mountains in the distance and it would still somewhat feel like a world.
You just don't get to explore every unimportant area of it.

Set the first four stratums in the homelands of each race and the fifth one (and post-game one) in the tree.
No need to get all fancy and grand.

EOU>EOU2>EO3>EO4>EO2>EO1

Prove me wrong, tip: you can't

>>173276789
Defend grimoures.

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>>173276858
Not that good actually, Line guard grimoires are better

>>173276789
EOU2>EO2>EO4>EO3>EOU>EO

>>173276364
I guess having the lands unconnected and accessed through a menu is possible but also pointless.
As for that division of strata, well, that's what I was going for with scale. The regions are big enough to require a stratum each rather than EO4's puny dungeons indeed but an Yggdrasil that is so many several times the size of High Lagaard's having just one stratum feels like (and would be) a cop out

What is the best EO arrange album, doujin or otherwise?

>>173276789
>>173277207
Literally any other game >>>>>> The entire EO series

>>173277207
EOU2 > EO3 > EO4 > EO2 > EOU > EO1

>>173276789
kill yourself.

>>173278578
*teleports behind you*

You wanna take that back, kid?

>>173193078
Well it looks like someone has been running around recently trying to figure out how to edit 3ds games to translate EOV
So there's hope especially with all the new tools.

Looks like he's looking for where the text is, judging from /hbg/

>>173278759
pssh...nothing personnel...

>>173278759
*stabs u in the neck*
heh...that's what you get for liking untold...kid

>>173251781
From the thumbnail, it looked like they were both pregnant.

>>173231352
Shiitake looks old as hell in comparison holy shit.

>>173274695
that's orange

>there are people here who play with automap on.

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World War 3 Started.

I will miss you all.

Sorry we never got to shitpost EO5 together.

P5 and voice acting really delayed the localization team on EO5. Was about 30% done when funds ran out. Really banking on P5 success.

Dear Kimonoroninanon,

you still suck

Goodbye.

>>173286767
have fun painting every tile every step you take

>>173287173
namefags should be all nuked to hell

>>173287795
We all will be nuked to hell soon enough.

Do you get anything for completing the other 2 routes in EO3? Aside from the class unlock and the drops that the bosses give(in order to unlock weapons)

Seems like it's not worth the time

Starting a farmer solo run. Wish me luck

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>>173288136
you complete the item and monster compendiums

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Well I figured out why we'll never get a fan translation of EOV
After extracting everything from the cia, you can see that the people that made the game decided to encrypt the most of the game's content behind a weird file type.
There was only one person working on decrypting it, and while he managed to open it up he never figured out how to close it again and dropped it almost a year ago
So unless someone picks that up its
EOV Never Ever.
If anyone cares, heres his github com/xdanieldzd/Tharsis

Now why couldn't someone have said this when i asked why we'll never get a fan translation?

>>173290903
>Now why couldn't someone have said this when i asked why we'll never get a fan translation?
Because people post the what you are asking every fucking thread

Question: after Eo4, what eo game should I play?

I think someone said untold but I wanna make sure I don't throw my money around

>>173291356
le millenom girl

>>173291356
Untold 1 is solid and a different experience from 4. Just don't touch story mode.

*classic mode

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>>173291356
U1, do it for Ricky

>>173291997
Who..?

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>>173292048
Ricky

>>173292191
I dunno no Ricky

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>>173292349
Ricky

>>173292349
Stay away from Ricky, it's for your own good.
Autism is highly contagious.

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Soon anon, soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhZT3vw7ab8

>>173288136
>>173288460
So, how exactly does the EO3 new game work? I thought that the map would be reset and shit, but it seems that I'll just have to redo the boss fights and missions? Everything else stays unlocked?

>>173293573
you need to reopen shortcuts

>>173293573
Nevermind, apparently the shortcuts all reset, it would take too much time just to get on the 20th floor.

>>173293685
is 40 minutes or so really that much time to you

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>>173287173
leave russia to teach

>>173293885
It's more about the repetitiveness and boredom, I won't ever use yggdroid and the boss gear won't be super useful to me, I 100%d EO2 but I guess I don't think it's worth 100%ing this one

>>173291103
really? I always got never ever, or no one cares enough when i asked.
either way, the kuriimu guy says "not too far off" to putting back edited files
So i guess i'll go figure out which files are text ones and how to read/edit them.

Anyone else preorder EMD2 Premium Box yet?

EOV IN NA WHEN

>>173291672
Wait.. Why shouldn't I touch story mode? Not worth it?

>>173296592
he's a purist, don't listen to him

>>173296748
true purist here, you start with actual EO1 and then and only then do you move on EOU story mode

>>173296592
It is worth it. Most of the new content is locked in story mode.

You can try it anyway, if you don't like it, just play classic mode.

>>173296592
It has some new content, but you're not missing anything except some endgame items if you've never played EO1 before.

I think building your own party is an important part of the experience that story mode unnecessarily wrests from the player.

>>173293885
>>173293685
fuck me, I will probably do all routes so I can unlock all the highest tier armor. I wouldn't mind a cheat to unlock all shortcuts and save me a lot of time, tho.

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Nene!

>>173297612
cute

Why is she Nene?

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>>173298063

>>173298583
Too bad New Game was shit.

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>>173298623
Then why did it get an S2?

>>173298738
Because people have bad taste.
Same reason we have EOMD2 on the horizon.

>>173183979
Let's be honest. It'll be a Runemaster or Dancer.

>>173299653
I hope it's a frontliner, since we already had a backliner and a support class.

>>173300610
We can't have the her take away the spotlight from the MCs stand-in donut steel though!

Which level is recommended for the 6th stratum in EO3?

>>173303119
story party can comfortably get to b29f if you spec for nuking and shell shock

you'll still be at the mercy of blindsides and FOES though, be prepared to rest multiple times if you want to kill the postgame bosses

>>173305364
nigga wat

>>173276789
put eo3 at the bottom and it'll be perfect

>>173306401
>shitposting this hard

Why the fuck is the 5th stratum boss of the Deep City route so much harder than the Armoroad route?

Because it's two fights back to back instead of two enemies at the same time.
Also the Armoroad boss has this nice gimmick where Olympia blows herself up, dealing good damage and negating you her drop unless you kill her first.

Quest: Get conditional drop
Condition for drop: Kill with curse damage
Reward: Formaldehyde
No Formaldehyde can be gotten before taking on this quest.

>>173310167
curse gas

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>>173299653
>Runemaster
No fucking way with zodiac being there.
Incidentally, just watch as they give zodiac splash fire, line volt and piercing ice.
>Dancer
Overlaps with princess way more than troubador did.

If overlapping were allowed, they'd bring fortress since she was the original blonde mascot for EOIV

>>173286767
>not only autistic retards are here
Wow what a revelation

>EO3U's MC is the blue bikini samurai from EMD2
screencap me, you heard it here

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Her name is Medica.
MEDICA

Did any western outlet pick up on this? Dengeki and Famitsu pics are artifacted to hell

>>173276858
Decent skills for instakill/petrify is already enough

>>173294152
We don't want your shitty blonde, send it to aussies or something

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>>173310167

>>173312875
So she is cheap and is unlimited in stock?
What a slut.

Victim Etria by Asanagi when

>>173313448
>blonde
>medic
>slut
what else do you expect

>>173312875
Did Atlus actually think for once and have himukai do EMD2's art?

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>>173313604
take that back!!!
Onee-san Medic is no slut.

>>173313749
said no one ever

>>173313749
She looks like a redhead. In fact, she just looks like medic worth long hair, same eye color and shit

>>173314101
>comparing onee-san to mediko
stop

>>173314249
What is wrong with comparing two sluts to each other

>>173314101
>>173314249
>>173314357
Since they look so similar, do you think onee-san is mediko's actual onee-san?
mind blown

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>>173313749
>no slut

She's provocative enough.

>>173314394
older, more experienced slut
quality over quantity

so EOV in western never ever?

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>>173314951
yes
you were a naughty boy so no bunny waifus for you ever

>>173315013
So there is only one course of action left: become a furry and embrace EOIV bunnies.
Atlus is forcing our hands here.

>>173315013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-0G_FI61a8

EMD and EMD2 artbook when

>>173315416
Literally nothing wrong with bushi
>>173317819
never ever

>>173320124
recolor of the same nightslut is better

>>173317040
>>173317110
I like those slightly improved versions of Farmer and Monk.
If only they were in a different game...

>>173322523
>hating emd

>>173317203

So this is where all the flat went from EO5.

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>>173322590
Besides how trash EMD is or isn't, it's a disappointment that this wasn't EO3U.

>>173323085
>not waiting for 20th of may to get disappointed even more

>>173323197
Why get disappointed once when I can get disappointed twice?

>>173320280
This.
Brown is best.

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Stop dying you little shits

>>173326930
Our motto

>>173327974
then change it
do you die so much in actual game as well

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>>173240573
THE DEV TEAM OF EMD SEEM TO FUCKING THINK SO

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>>173328860
>he has problem farming in fucking EMD of all games

>>173329052
yes yes I fucking do. The drops on the dragons are EO1-tier awful

>>173326930
My, what big hands you have!

>>173329137
it's to strangle you to death my dear

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What game is this from if any? Or is it just more of an inspired by?

>>173331035
it's EO3 fanart