Etrian Odyssey General

>>172869780
What's wrong with her face?

>>172867403
Map design and high difficulty interlock.
You get chased out of the dungeon regularely but thanks to shortcuts you can get back where you were easily.
That makes shortcuts natural breakpoints if you only want a short dive/session.

Many, many other dungeon crawlers have you "progress" through a floor based on trial and error - if you get chased out your great accomplishment usually is that you found a path that is a dead end so next time you don't need to look that way.
It feels less rewarding to me like this and if you find the right way on your first try it can get annoying to backtrack because you could have missed something important (but you rarely do).

Skill points make a huge difference.
Every point is a small progression and reward and the control about your characters just feel great (although better insight as to what skills actually do would be nice).
While most classes are played a certain way there are small variations and you can decide what you go for first.
And the system that TP costs or negative effects only increase at certain skill ranks makes it so that not every level is a hard decision. Instead multiple levels are bundled into one "I'll go for that next" which keeps you form experiencing decision fatigue.

Besides this varied classes, the bind/ailment system is interesting, buff/debuff limits and interactions keep you from stacking math in every party and encounter.
And of course great music, nice but not overpowering visuals and cute girls. Lots and lots of cute girls.

>>172869913
Just as empty inside as the fans of the series

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>>172869986
Thanks man.
The reason I asked is because I haven't picked up my 3ds in three months now, and was looking for some inspiration to play again. I'm more than halfway through EO4, and I also bought EOU for a christmas present to myself last year.
I feel like I'm ready to tackle Yggdrasil once more

>>172869986
>the bind/ailment system is interesting
Yeah, I've always really appreciated how ailments in EO have such a major part in combat, instead of being a minor annoyance sprinkled on top of the usual staples of attacking and skills.

That very first time you take poison damage, and realize you are not going to survive another round of it if you don't get your shit together NOW, is awesome.

>>172870663
>realize you are not going to survive another round
more like die right away, i'm looking at you Chimera

>>172870636
You don't explore Yggdrasil in EO4 though.

>>172871061
You still deal with it, even if this time it's an asshole

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>>172870663
Also works both ways. Putting points in ailment skills feels like a worthwhile investment.

>>172871061
No, you literally tackle it.

>>172870663
I also like how binds and ailments stack.
Usually you either have effect like these be weak but you can stack as many as you like or they are strong and you can have exactly one.

Having binds and ailments run parallel makes classes like Hexer so much more useful and makes Hexer and Dark Hunter a strong combo instead of rivals that compete for the same slot.

>>172871460
>I also like how binds and ailments stack.
I like how it gives multiple paths for dealing with enemies.

Some fucker has impossibly high AGI? You could buff your team, or debuff him, or paralyze him, or leg bind him. Someone about to OHKO you with a skill? You've got blind, fear, the appropriate bind, or the usual buffs/debuffs.

It makes team comps more interesting and personal strategies more unique. I liked watching everyone working on the U2 Artelinde/Wilhem battle and coming up with different ways to counteract their Burst/Break attacks.

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What if now you can chart your map in DEEP SJ?

After taking a short break Solo Fortress went ahead and attacked the Heavenbringer.
I am actually happy to report that the damage was too much for me and I got slowly whittled down over a just a few turns.

Which means for the first time since the very beginning of the game I will actually go grinding.
Not that I enjoy grinding but its good to actually have a challenge instead of just bosses that die on the first try (and Logre).
I might actually need to use different equipment for this fight - but let's not get ahead of ourselves. First I want to get to 70R70 then I will see how to proceed from there.

>>172874301
The game would instantly be better.
But maybe not enough to actually be considered good.

If we are lucky they add an anti-story mode that cuts out all the boring story crap and just lets you actually explore instead of calling you back every five minutes...

>>172874579
>even autism loli can't remove trees

EOV in the west when

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>>172875725

>>172874726
What is with your hate-boner for Strange Journey? I know you're butthurt they announced it instead of EO3U but jesus fuck man.

>>172875725

After EMD2.

I find it funny how the le 4th april meme guy stopped memeing for a few days already, like it's going to help him anymore

>>172874917
Soon.

But actually, the tree is currently removed.
And killing the Heavenbringer will make a new tree.

So, for what song did you guys vote?

>>172877010
i didn't

>>172877010
Misty ravine EOIV


Don't judge

>>172877010
No Twitter but this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJcrGnoY34

>>172877010
septette of dead princess

>>172877010
#sqvote141

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>>172877010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMgBcR43dws

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>City of Radiant Ruin is not Lost Shinjuku's theme

>>172877010
Abyssal God boss theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0TeykT5NA

>>172877010
Cyclopean haunt theme

So many EO3 titles...
I wonder if the orchestrated versions will be able to stand up to the originals should EO3U ever become a reality.

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Can't wait for the day to see Neners as the OP image.

>>172881069
>EOV localisation announced
>New EO thread
>Bunny waifus as OP image
>Nenefag gets BTFO
I'll bet you

>>172880917
3 has some of the best FM synth tracks, so I highly doubt it. That said, I hope this one gets a similar treatment to Destruction Begets Decay. It had potential but the original is a shitty loop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsRITXDBxk

>>172867403
The classes having more individuality and the focus on sinergy. EO skill system is kinda like Wizardry 6 ~ 8 but in these games everyone can basically learn everything and by endgame you have 6 or 8 hybrid units that can use several
spells, hide like a ninja and dual wield. EO is a lot more limited but your party composition is actually important.

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>>172881207
That won't stop neneposters.

>>172881069
Nenever ever

I want to rape a Masurao [female(male)]

What do I miss for not playing story mode in U1?
Can I at least do the 6th stratum?

>>172884017
>What do I miss for not playing story mode in U1?
The Gladsheim stratum, the Gunner and Highlander class, some enemies, enemy drops, and chests (so you can't get those badges on your guild card, and you can't buy a few items such as the strongest katana).

>Can I at least do the 6th stratum?
Yes, that's available in both modes.

>>172884017
treasures medal
maps medal
codex medal
items medal
story mode medal
amenohabakiri
Hi/G
action boost

Is there any DLC for EO2U in Yurop?

>>172884474
the europe exclusive dlc(nothing)

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>>172883832
Maauraos are for gentle cuddling, not for rape

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>>172884537
>No highlander
>No onsen
>No Mediko & Friends

>>172884474
All dlc is in download tab in main menu

>>172884017
Unless you're an autist who cares about medals nothing really.

You do miss out on the gunner's action boost, which is probably the best dps skill in the game, sadly.

>>172884905
Haven't even checked that one so disregard me 'cause I'm a turboautist

>>172884840
>wanting medico

>>172884689
It's not rape if they crave it

>>172885161
Does it make you feel better if I say I like Lolihexer better?

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>>172884689
Masuraos are for

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>>172885603
DELET !!!!

>>172885603
Stuffing?

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>>172885603
That's why EOV in the west never

Sand Leviathan has fallen to the solo Fortress.

It took only 83 turns because I could spam abilities instead of constantly defending but I actually came close to dying twice because of his many multi-hit attacks.
One time I only survived with 8 HP and was only saved because I evaded his last hit.

Basically the same thing that made bunnies so horrible: multi-hit TEC based attacks don't play nice with Fortress.
Ain't I lucky that Heavenbringer has one of those?

Aside from sheep what other FOEs can I turn golden with food for late game grinding?

>>172881207
>EOV localisation announced
Let's not get carried away here

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qt

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>He has a headcanon

>>172886323
most of eo4's postgame bosses are ridiculously easy. dragons, sand leviathan, and hraesvelgr in particular

warped savior would also be pretty difficult, probably on par with primevil or abyssal god, if it weren't for burst skills and chemicals

>>172888014
Wait, Sand Leviathan and Hraesvelgr are supposed to be post-game bosses?
I thought they were just quest bosses like the Baboon King.

If they are supposed to be tackled after the Heavenbringer that's just sad...

>>172887796
>manface
>qt

>>172887796
>freckles
ew

>>172888682
You have a weird concept of men.

>>172888682
I'm not sure if I see the same picture as you do
You've looked at one too may trap doujins if you see this as female(male)

>>172888640
yep. If I remember correctly, iwaoropenelep, sand leviathan, hraesvelgr, the dragons, fallen one, and warped savior are supposed to be the postgame bosses. hraes and sand can be fought before beating the heavenbringer but you fight them so close to the end of the game when you're almost done with the 5th stratum unlike chameleon king who I believe can be fought before cradle guardian so I think they're just rolled into the rest. sand leviathan also has higher stats than the heavenbringer which is pretty kekworthy but also probably another indicator you're not meant to fight him in the main game, despite him being super easy

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>>172887914
>not having a cannon on your head
plebmaster

>>172889105
Trapshark is a better girl than this disappointment
Make Niralda great again

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>>172889330
Legit made me laugh

>>172890000
sleepymaster cannot laugh

>>172890347
she'll laugh after I've broken her mind and hymen with my enormous penis and killed her entire explorer party

>>172890523
Apologize to me for making me read this

Any good way to petrify stuff in 4? Don't feel like wasting formaldehyde on a fucking ice bulb

>>172891274
There's no easy way to do it.

You basically have to get a character with high LUC (arcanists work best for this), ailment boost, a weapon with a lot of petrify slots (I forget where the hammer is, I think it's in hall of darkness b3f, sadly enough), and then on top of all that you have to make sure it doesn't accidentally kill.

seeing as you need a lot of setup that requires late game gear and the fact that you may not want to grind up an arcanist from level 1 formaldehyde is actually probably the best option. nightmare rams aren't that bad

>>172891654
I miss grimoires desu

Why are all therian males fuckbois?
Is it nature?
The females are stronger like cheetahs and sheeit?

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>>172892814
Cute fluffy ears

>>172891816
Fuck grimoires.

>>172893407
How would you fuck a stone

>>172888789
freckles are the best

>>172894283
wrong

big brown girls are the best

>>172894956
Like Cestus(female) big or Cestus(hulk) big?

>>172895236
Like Hannah(innkeeper).

>>172895486
That's a good big

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>>172894956

>nobody on /v/ likes EO
http://www.strawpoll.me/12664849

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>>172896319
>/v/
who cares about garbage containment board

>>172896319
all those choices are memes including sekaiju

>>172896319
>/v/
Those retards don't play games

why can't I alter class into an awoo
this is racist

>>172896676
This

>>172896676
At best they play western shit

>>172896319
>>172896676
They play Social Justice: The Videogame

It's not coincidence that when the whole SJW started, the raise of /vg/ posts increased.

>>172891274
>Get a Nightseeker
>Sub it Dancer
>Pump points into Blade Fury and Sword Dance
>Equip 2 swords with a fuckton of petrify forges
>Got to town on it with normal attacks.

>>172887295
>Golden Goose (Omnihunter)
>Happiness Hare (Ice Pincer)
>Dragon Carp (the birds, Omnihunter, Death Mantis)

But they don't respawn daily like the sheep. If you're really lategame you should just grind dragons and postgame bosses like Iwaopenelope.

>>172900495
I rested my niggas and need some easy foes to get enough levels to kill the dragons

>>172901109
if you have spread throw venon or poison circle I'd just go to the sixth maze

>>172901109
I would just stick with the sheep then. The fact that they respawn every day saves a lot of time. Or finish up the 6th strat if you haven't yet.

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You'll cowards don't even fuck fish

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>>172902498
I prefer plants

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ded

Etrian Odyssey V (世界樹の迷宮V 長き神話の果て Sekaiju no Meikyū V: Nagaki Shinwa no Hate, "Labyrinth of the World Tree V: The End of the Long Myth")

>>172907885
does fafnir even really care about arianna outside of protecting her?

he's a broken man with few memories who needs purpose, but doesn't seem to care about settling down and just wants to fuck niggas up and wants an excuse. she on the other hand is more likely to go with someone like flavio or chloe

>>172908720
arianna is more likely to already be engaged to a fat faceless royal from a foreign land

>>172908720
She is literally too stupid to be in any relationship.
She cockblocked herself in her own game.

>>172908720
fafnir is literally (canonically) engaged to Regina

>>172909263
only as a stand in for the player!

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>tfw made yandere with kaishaku

>>172910489
And it didn't work because Berserk's vow triggers kaishaku.
fug

Why can't nobody on fedorafaqs play the game properly?

Do dragons really give more than 500k exp apiece to be worth grinding over sheep?

>>172914569
properly?

They're too busy tipping their fedoras to non-existant women or autistically grinding out some shitty headcanon with their self inserts.

>>172915691
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/826296-etrian-odyssey-2-untold-the-fafnir-knight/73533221

>>172917871
So you get triggered because they don't play the way you like to play?
I think the fedoraguy is actually you

>>172918010
no I just think they suck

Do retirement boosts apply if you transfer units to NG+? It doesn't seem like the level cap carries over but if you reset to level 1 do you get the 10 extra stats/SP?

>>172915317
yes, with holy gift. killing foes for xp (in IV) is a meme, just autobattle. unless you enjoy being a sleepymaster

>>172918242
retirement boosts always stay with your units unless you retire them again (in which case they're overwritten by the new ones). if you want to go to level 1, you have to rest repeatedly. level cap alays stays once you kill the dragons

Quick question, What would heal paralysis: treat, refresh or recovery? Or can it not be healed?

>>172921336
Is she THE canonical slut?
Hangs around shota ninja all the time. Dyes her hair for him. Has to wear her Zodiac dress wide open because her boobs are too big. Gets gangbanged by a school of monster fish for shota ninja's viewing pleasure.

>>172922314
Paralysis is an ailment so Refresh it is.

>>172922610
Thank you!

>>172918196
Then don't visit gamefags holy shit wow it was hard

>>172918360
>autobattle
autobattles don't give 40k xp per 1 turn battle unless in higher halls of darkness they do?
>>172922525
probably, she has a ridiculous amount of porn

>>172925715
>probably, she has a ridiculous amount of porn
All by the same guy. I wonder how Fubuki Poni felt after watching the last Atlus stream.

>>172925896
Who is that and what happened at the last stream?

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>>172902498
>>172902749
i want to fuck both

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I'll never finish a post game.

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>>172926231
>never finished a postgame
>don't give a fuck
feels great

>>172925936
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:fubuki+poni
What didn't happen, you mean. That being EO3U.

The EOU story team is so cookie cutter, what the fuck where they thinking?
Why didn't they just let us recruit other classes?
Should I experiment with reclassing, or is it a waste of time?

>>172926424
>what the fuck where they thinking?
Thinking about a team which lets you beat the story without bothering much, it's not like classic mode is still there
>Should I experiment with reclassing
I dunno, should you use an option because you're autistic and care about story team composition? Decide that for yourself

>>172926648
Hi, Rickyfriend.

>>172926424
Since Reclassing in EOU is only available at level 30 and costs 5 levels it's really not worth it.
In EO2U it's available from the start and since level 1 characters don't lose any levels it can actually be used.

If you wanted to reclass anyone it could be Arthur into a Hexer (since in EOU TEC is more important than LUC for landing binds/ailments) or Simon into a Troubadour.
Highlander and Ricky are overpowered as is.

>come back after months looking for eov localization news
>eomd2
literally why? Did japan like it that much?

>>172928094
Foosheegee danjon has a huge following to it apparently.

>>172928094
Why not, are you some sort of a fag who hates mystery dungeon

>>172917871
>almost a year ago
Holy fuck anon what a thing to sperg about.

>>172928094
It's not like the same teams working on EMD2 would have localized EOV in the first place.

Rather weep for the shit AtlusUSA is localizing instead of EOV.

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Just one day before fran/dark hunter autist gets BTFO

>>172929965
what ARE they working on?

>>172930221
shitsona and shitsona accessories

>>172930221
Caligula Effect and Underwater Ray Romano.
https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/839949012924952580
https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/839545906097610752

One dungeon RPG one Virtual Novel/tactical RPG.
Both sound like huge amounts of text to translate so they will likely bind the localisation teams.

>>172930562
I can understand utawarerumono but why the other thing over EO, fuck.

>>172930685
persona writer

>>172930562
>implying they even planned to translate eov in a first place

>>172931031
y-you don't know that!

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>>172931215
>not even a small mention of "yes we're gonna localise that shit"
Deal with it, EOV in the west never

wew
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=512134

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>>172931785

>>172931031
Even if they wer planning to do it they would only start in June at the earliest.
So they probably figured: Let's just ignore it and move on. EMD2 looks like the way more profitable title.

>>172931936
the west hates EMD though

>>172932057
nenefag pls

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I got in an argument about game design the other day, and it got me wondering..

Do you think backstory/lore is content in a game? You know, gameplay wise?

>>172932374
>is a usually important part of the game content
dunno

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I want dick hunter to sit on me

>>172932374
you can have a game without story but you can't have a game without gameplay

>>172932461
But you don't play the backstory, it's not something you do. Is it really content then? I don't deny it's very important, but does it enhance the gameplay?

>>172932906
The entire RPG genre is built on story? RPG gameplay is usually just repeating the same actions over and over and story is the actual reason why you even bother outside of maybe autistic achievements.

>>172932374
I dislike the idea of "content" in the first place, as it's so easy to pervert and use as an excuse for actually bad ideas.

>>172932374
Interesting question.

Let's look at the Ubisoft games - a lot of content without any backstory. Enemy camps and towers sprinkled everywhere but none of them have any thought or reason behind them.
You do the stuff that needs doing and then you move on and never look back.
It's like a potato chip. Tasty for a short while but ultimately not filling and empty.

On the other side you have things like Dark Souls. Every boss and most enemies are where they are for a reason.
Item descriptions hint towards things that happened in the past and other bosses are connected to previous ones.
You can dive deeper and you can have a moment of "oh, so that is what all that was about."
It is more like a properly crafted small meal. Sure you can force your way through, gourge it down and move on. But there is a possibility to disect it further, take in all the different flavors, savor the experience.

Or let's ask differntly: Are optional bosses content? Sure they are but not every player will experience them.
Lore is similar. It is something you do with the game that is both part of the game and more but you need to want to experience it.

>>172932789
>>172933091
>>172933374
>>172934718
Thank you for your answers!

Explain me how linker works? You use vanguard, improved link and then desired link along with lots of hits skills from other party members?

>>172936772
I don't like using Vanguard because setting up two buff constatly is a pain in the ass.
I just give all my Speed books to my Linker as well as some AGI Forges. Rapiers often have AGI forges to begin with so they are good off-hand weapons (you take them just for their forges but they are more useful than shields).
Unless you have a Nightseeker just a few froges should be enough though and the rest can get to STR.

After setting up Blood Surge if you want to use it you simply use Improved Link and then have everyone use either multi-hit attacks or multiple actions.
The difference is huge.

Multi-Hit attacks like the Sniper's Squall Volley can activate 1-4 Links and for each Link the chance of activating another one gets reduced.

Actions will always activate one Link.
Each attack of Blady Flurry and/or Sword Dance counts as an extra action.
So D/N or N/D with both can activate a complete Improved Link on their own if they are lucky.
Each attack through the Dancer's Counter Samba, Chase Samba, Trick Samba, Rush Dance or beat Dance counts as an extra action.

So in short: A Dancer with Attack Tango (for more damage) and either Sword Dance and Blade Flurry or some Sambas is the Linker's best friend.

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Stop fucking dying you little shits

>>172939940
post the rest

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>>172939995
spam incoming

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>>172939995
>>172939940

L/M was a mistake

>>172939940
>>172940236
>>172940365
>>172940521
>>172940632
I wonder which one of these is canon

>>172941006
All of them?

>>172941125
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>>172941006
Well, we know what the other one wears and they have pretty much the same clothes.

Dragons suck
Cap unlock after the fight was also an ass move

Is medic sub supposed to heal like shit or i'm missing some vital stat?

>>172942225
Medic is supposed to heal like crazy usually way more than you actually need. They usually are pretty slow, though.
What game are you talking about, what ranks are your skills and what weapon are you using?

>>172942225
What did you sub into medic?
You will need some TEC to make it work so either Runemaster or Archanist are the best choice.
Dancer might already be a bit low and the rest should really not even try it.

>>172942560
4
Subclass max, 3-4, 5 line heal on medic and max party heal, both are the same level
Some random crap i can build for now
I just mostly want to know what is the reason that medic main heals like double the amount of medic sub - skill levels or the fact that it has like 20 more TEC. Seems like the latter because line heal barely differs and it still heals more on medic (although this may be proficiency at work or whatever)

>>172943092
Higher maximum skill levels, proficiency and TEC all come together to make a pretty big difference.

In EOIV there is a check for healing that compares your TEC to your level and if it is too low you heal less.

>>172941125
You mean you can change your underwear?
That's a new concept to me...

>hurr dragon elemental attacks
>deal 1 damage with charm and rune while normal attacks kick ass
How do i force them to spam elements more in 4?

>>172945179
What's your team?
The best strategy against dragons is to go all out damage.
Use the Burst skill that negates elemental attacks on turn one, Blood Surge and buff your team and kill the dragons before they use their breath again.

Or you could arm bind them to disable some of their physical attacks and cut the strength of the rest in half.

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I sure love how adventurers can have 1 hour of sleep per day and still perform well

>>172948786
Sounds like my life, except without the performing well.

>>172948786
You can be awake for 2 days and still perform well, anything after that will make you insane though.

>>172949621
what if your guild actually never achieves anything and just goes mad from sleep deprivation, and everything you do are just the delusional fantasies of junkies spending their days in some back alley of the town

>>172948786
>needing sleep
Solo Fortress is way ahead of you. She restores HP by dancing, smiting enemies or defending and gains TP when monsters try to murder her.
All sleeping does is wasting Burst gauges.

>>172933091
Anon, the gameplay of any game is repeating the same actions over and over again.

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>>172951480
>mfw giving tree dick to solo fortress

>>172951806
levels of repetition vary

>>172951806
So you're saying story is the component which ties the whole game together, and gameplay is just there to have the player interact with the story?

>>172952154
Not really, you could remove any semblance of story from many games and that wouldn't really change how you play. While it might make the experience more enjoyable I doubt anyone plays DMC or R-Type for the story.

>>172952597
Cool now remove story from Chrono Trigger or FFT and see what happens

>>172952706
Aren't these games mostly linear (never got far in CT)? Since you don't need the story to point where you need to go it wouldn't change how you play.

>>172952154
>There is only one type of game and no variation between different games

>>172952154
Story is a vehicle that allows games to move along.

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Leave the thread to me!

>>172953963
You look pretty trustworthy. Think you can handle the front line?

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>>172953963
no

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>>172953963
I'll be taking over the thread now!

>>172953963
EO3 had some high tier redheads.
Remake when?

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>>172953963
>you will never protect her big meaty front mortars

>Replies 220
>Posters 35
I swear there were more of us before...

>>172956347
that's what happens when THERE'S NO FUCKING ENGLISH EOV WHERE IS IT REEEEEEEEEE

>>172956347
It rarely gets higher than 70-80 posters before bump limit is hit. Getting less than 10 posts per poster is sadly a good run.
/eog/ has been shitposting on life support for quite a while and AtlusUSA blatant disregard for anything EO is not helping.

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>>172956347
tfw EMD2 made the general more lively

Is sand leviathan the most disappointing boss ever?

>>172958652
i never expected anything from him to begin with

>>172958652
Not nearly as much as Cernunnos.

>>172956347
That's IPs, not posters
Now you have an idea why atlus doesn't give a fuck about EO

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What's your favorite boss fight? For me it's pic related.

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>>172917871
>I can understand your frustration, truly. You shouldn't bother with Ur-Devil under any circumstance; that boss, in all honesty, only exists for people like Enfinete, Dr. Fetus, and myself. That creature of that design doesn't really have a place in Etrian Odyssey.

I-is he right? I'm about to fight Ur-Devil

>>172960153
>gamefags
Just fuck Ur-Devil up, senpai

>>172960153
What's your team?

>>172960153
got him with the story party on my first serious try with his turn order document open in front of me

he's just a beefier ur-child. the only main difference is you need a means to block the party wide elemental attacks when you destroy his adds

>>172960340
wow, F-A-M is filtered to senpai. Cool.

>>172959721
Boss fights are usally the low point of EO for me (especially post-game bosses, especially especially when they get fired at you in rapid succession).
So I guess... Berzerker King?

It's one of the bosses with a gimmick you have to deal with but its easily disabled, properly telegraphed and you were already teached about it in the Bloodbear fight.
All in all it's too easy but that's par for the course for a first boss.

There are other interesting gimmicks like Juggernaut in EO2U but it's really poorly telegraphed that he goes apeshit because of your buffs.
Too many gimmick just outright kill you if you are not prepared and bosses without gimmicks just plain suck (case in point: Cernurros).
Big piles of stats are either easily controlled or frustrating gear checks, there is very little in between.

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>>172960845
cernunos has a gimmick

>try to new game+ into classic mode in EOU
>can't change the name of my guild nor can I remove the story party
What the fuck man?

>>172960153
Every few turns you will need to blindly guess which pattern he starts with so there is a lot that can go wrong.

Also waiting for him to restore your Force is even more annoying than with Ur-Child.

>>172961037
You could have not transfered the story mode characters.

But not being able to change your guild name is strange. I am fairly certain Marion asks you if you want to make a new guild even in NG+ classic.
If you say yes you will be able to choose a new name.

>>172961245
EOU, not EO2U.
Classic mode in that game was handled like utter trash. EO2U also needs some adjustments though.

>>172960991
You are right. How did I manage to forget that?

Shows how forgettable he is, I guess.
I probably arm bound him in my last playthrough which turned him into a pretty big joke.

>>172959721
cursed prince with imperials in your party

>>172961372
My bad, I did not know it was different in EOU.

They really managed to fuck up nearly everything in that one, didn't they?

>>172961518
It could be more fucked up if there was no NG+ or classic mode.
Which I'm pretty sure was close to happening.

>>172961518
I thought they hastily added classic after the fan reaction

>>172961245
Talking about Untold 1. And I didn't try to transfer the story mode party. I specifically chose NOT to transfer them over, yet it does anyway. All it did was make every story character go back to their default levels. I'm really starting to hate this game. I hope Untold 2 is better.

>>172961612
Untold 2 is better in pretty much every regard.

Bosses are a bit more annoying since they overly rely on summons and iun general much of the difficulty comes from punishing you for doing things wrong (without telling you how to do them right beforehand of course).

But both doesn't come into play that often and besides this EO2U is smoother, better written and generally more fun to me.

>>172961594
>>172961596
It certainly feels that way in many aspects.
That thought makes it even more stupid that you can get the best katana only in story mode...

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>>172959721

>>172961937
>a bit more annoying
>a bit

>better written
arguable, gladsheim was more interesting than "dude rituals", "dude flying castle" and "dude calamity"

>>172961596
>I thought they hastily added classic after the fan reaction
Pretty much this. They added classic mode was added way further in development.

And this is why I actually like EO developers, they actually take feedback and improve the next game. Because most of the errors were fixed in U2

>>172962209
Gladsheim is shit.

>>172962209
Gladsheim spoiled the story twist of the fifth stratum at the very beginning of the game.

And while we get more interesting lore I am almost certain most things we learn about the Fafnir ritual are false or at least not the whole truth.
We have no being from another time in our party to tell us the truth and see the world purely from the eyes of those that inhabit this world with remnants of the past.
They look like run of the mill magic because the technology behind it is too advanced for us to understand.

EO3U needs to happen because I need to know if the Fafnirs actually just imprisioned the calamity or if they were actually powering the entire Yggdrasil network around the world.

>>172962838
>implying they won't just go further the sea aliens road

>>172962838
>Gladsheim spoiled the story twist of the fifth stratum at the very beginning of the game
And in doing so gave it some meaning instead of just some random shock value with no further consequence.
Besides, from a newcomer's point iof view there was no reason to think that the futurepast was OUR world, just some random technologically advanced civilization as long as you don't notice the Ontario comments, eh

>>172963698
>And in doing so gave it some meaning instead of just some random shock value with no further consequence.
It was suppose to be shocking moron. Something you wouldn't have expected.

>>172963808
Oh, yay, weehee,I was shocked. There, let me proceed with the game and kill the random demon-tree as if it never happened because it really doesn't matter.

>>172963998
>There, let me proceed with the game and kill the random demon-tree as if it never happened because it really doesn't matter.
You do realize your characters are blank slates you insert a personality into, right? Just because they don't ever react in-game doesn't mean you can't imagine they did or not. It's all up to interpretation. Also the NPCs react to the 5th stratum as well.

>>172963163
Sea alien is actually a big part of my theory about the lore of EO.

In EO3 we learn that a hundred years ago Gutrune ate the flesh of the Eldest One, went off to somewhere and when she came back half of Armoroad sank to the bottom of the sea, her brother was missing and Yggdrasil stopped talking to the people.

And at the same time, half a globe away some courier entered Ginnungagap which is off-limits to anyone besides Fafnir and the Lady of the Mark with some tragic but ultimately not urgent news.

My theory is that this courier was Gutrune and she deliberately hindered the Fafnir ritual being controlled by the Eldest One and by proxy the Abyssal God.
The ritual ultimately failed which again half a globe away triggered the tree near Tharsis to awaken and attack everone around it.

As a reaction the Armoroad Yggdrasil tree created the Deep City, closed all labyrinths (in both Etria and High Lagaard we hear how the labyrinths only recently opened but there are documents, legends and contracts that clearly show they were both open at least once before) and had to shut down most of its higher functions to have enough energy to contain the different tree cores all around the world.

I won't get all Matpat on you and bore you with my entire (most likely wrong) fan theory timeline stretching from over a thousand years ago to the defeat of the Calamity but those are the aspects I would love to learn more about the most in EO3U.

>>172964613
nice headcanons, shame if they get crushed by "dude sea alien go kill it"

>>172964534
It's not that characters react or stop reacting, it's that the story and the world don't react AT ALL.

The revelation changes pretty much nothing. It marks an origin point but that's it, it doesn't explain how or why everything happened nor does it give any insight on how the world or Yggdrasil work. If you changed Shinjuku with some generic fantasy ancient civilization, let's call it Athosia, nothing much would change.
Heck, even the NPC's reactions would be pretty much the same, only that they would be talking about Athosia instead of our Tokyo. Nothing in our current world explains, justifies or is linked to anything about Etria and Yggdrasil, unless I'm severely misremembering stuff and there were mentions about pollution, its consequences and how they tried to fix it with Yggdrasil.

Even shit tier stories have twists that alter incoming events. In EO's case, the twist itself is shit tier.
Mind you, I didn't hate it being there, I was just a bit disappointed. But this twist is certainly not worth protecting.

>>172962838
>Gladsheim spoiled the story twist of the fifth stratum at the very beginning of the game.

Only if you played the original. It didn't really spoil anything for me, and I was still surprised about the fifth stratum and came to love it a lot because of that.

Would've loved to play the original first though, but I wasn't aware EO was a thing before the 3DS thanks to its almost non existent advertising on the west.

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>>172964818
Eh, I'm not too attached to my random thoughts. I just would like to know.

Btw. if my theory is correct most of the things we have done were "Dude, sea alien! Go kill!"

Because I think what made the world nearly inhabitable was not some normal pollution but instead Abyssal God spores.
The trees collected them to keep the atmosphere clean but while it prevented humans from mutating into alien servants (like some random fish that became the Deep Ones) it also clumped them all together creating new life.
If that's true Yggdrasil Cores would be baby Abyssal Gods.

So instead of some hippie enviromental message it was aliens all along.

>>172962838
>Gladsheim spoiled the story twist of the fifth stratum at the very beginning of the game.
Gladsheim is way more futuristic than Shinjuku.

Why would anyone expect the same twist in a remake? To what end?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWODOpJsfY

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The day of reckoning is near
Soon we'll purge fran memers off this board for their transgressions

>>172968201
cute team

>>172963698
>And in doing so gave it some meaning instead of just some random shock value with no further consequence.

What more meaning did Gladsheim add?
Visil always told you about the enviromental changes because of evil science that destroyed the planet.
What had Gladsheim to add?
The incredibly insight that they had plan B "Should the tree fail blow everything up?"

That barely adds any depth.

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This request sucks

>>172969236
>worst gunner

no

>>172969365
>meme hairpin blonde

>>172969517
the dudes are also better

>>172969351
Why did it take so long for adventurers to realize that setting up tents is a thing?

>>172969645
Don't expect basic congnitive functions from people unable to walk diagonally.

>>172969645
>can't walk diagonally
>can't sidestep
>can't get materials without fucking training
Adventurers are braindead

>>172970351
>>can't get materials without fucking training
Are you implying that chopping wood and mining doesn't require a modicum of skill? "Taking" is pretty dumb admittedly.

>>172962838
How did Gladsheim spoil anything?

It's a weird building you walk around in that looks tech-y, but that's par for the course in most jRPGs (having ancient civilization that's far more advanced than ours). There's nothing to indicate that the ancient civilization was the real world. And even once you meet MIKE there's still nothing to suggest that.

If anything the 5th stratum thing still hits pretty hard because you realize Etria is actually Tokyo and that this is the real world, not just some madeup fantasy planet.

>>172970351
>>172970537
You never buy any tools. It's hard mining ore just with your nose.
And depending on how you map they try to chop trees either with their bare hands or with art and craft scissors.

>>172970807
>Not using pickaxe to chop

>>172971057
>using a pickaxe to cut little branches

>>172970667
In the original EO there is no indication at all that there ever was an ancient civilisation.
You walk around with medieval equipment under a medieval city.
The only things slightly off are the Geomagnetic Fields and the way the Alchemist and Medic look since they are not quite your usual black/white mage.

But really, overall nothing seems amiss. So you completely unprepared go from your standard sword and sorcery setting straight into the (post-)post-apocalypse.
That is a way bigger and less often used twist than the wannabe Planet of the Apes "The destroyed world was our world all along!" EOU offers.

>>172970537
usind a damn sword or magic takes more skill
you must be special kind of braindead to not be able to pick some herbs, chop some branches or hit rock with a pickaxe because "hurr i never trained for this gathering is for fags"

>>172971864
While I agree with picking herbs and chopping wood mining ore needs at least some skill.
If you use your pick wrong all you get are tiny little chips and most likely a broken pickaxe.

But it takes like ten minutes to be somewhat able to do it, way less than it takes to be able to hit something with your sword and not lose your grip on impact.

>>172971864
You need to know what branch to chop, what herb to pick and what rock to pick though, you can't go into a forest and pick up absolutely every little herb.
And in addition to that, you cna simply destroy many of such materials by not cutting them off in certain ways.

>>172972398
>what branch to chop, what herb to pick and what rock to pick though
It's not like craft shop can describe how they look or something, and they are adventurers anyway, it's their job to know what stuff to grab as well
>you cna simply destroy many of such materials
And still get some undestroyed, which is what gathering skills are about - the higher you get it the more stuff you get in workable condition

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>>172972270
>needing skills to gather stuff
plebs

>>172973715
Are monster hunters the true ubermenschen?

Seriously the MH protags make every other protag ever look like pussy fagboys

>>172973715
At least Etrians don't take a full day to swing an axe once.

>>172974236
they take a day to move one damn floor instead

>>172971801
It's a lameass twist, though. It comes so completely out of left field that it just seemed to be an afterthought and like "haha guys you know our other series es em tee? you know how that takes place in tokyo and shiet? well this game takes place in tokyo too!"

If more on the geomagnetic fields had been elaborated and there was an idea that 'something bigger was going on' it'd be perfect, but as it stands EOU did a better job of presenting the big twist. Worldbuilding, even if its not great, really helps with these kinds of things. I get that the original EO was trying to be as barebones as possible and that you were trying to project yourself onto the world but then don't try and have some big plot twist

>>172975103
when did you play EO? that's a pretty jaded reading.
i don't think SMT has anything to do with it.
especially when niinou did something similar for his next game away from atlus.

What amazes me the most about EO is how such a minimal and barebones story manages to be so shitty and inconsistent. It's a tiny miracle.

>hurr i want a story
>but i don't want a story
make up your damn minds

>>172975620
What is supposed to be inconsistent about EO?

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>that guy from a few months ago who was spamming that something is gonna happen tomorrow has gone
There's really no hope is there?
Time to learn nipponese

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>>172976784
Hope was never an option

>>172976784
Desperation gets us all eventually.

>>172974175
Aren't they descendants of super soldiers or some shit like that? So yeah, literal supermen.

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>>172976784
>Franposter was a dedicated troll for a while and he'll be laughing today because nothing is going to happen

>>172977246
not this meme again

>>172977505
>not laughing at his memes instead
fucking defeatists

>see all these videos of super interesting unique party combos in EO3
>everyone just uses the same cookie cutter Hoplite/Ninja, Monk/Princess, and three other damage based classes with Gladiator sub for Charge
What a shame.

>>172978282
That's what you get when the class balance is shit

>>172978282
EO3 has pretty bad balancing.
Yggdroid and Farmer are outright trash, Zodiac falls off after the early game unless you go for Meteor, Ninja is pretty much useless as a main class since Daggers suck too much and Gladiator and Arbalist have horrible TP issues.

Unless you want to basically sabotage yourself you don't have as much freedom in party building as you have in the 3DS games.
But I agree it's a shame so many people go full cookie cutter.

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>>172978691
It's absurd how much cookie cutter parties are the norm here. Anything that deviates from the optimal is scoffed at, mainly including whole classes. Including combinations that are actually stronger than the recommended ones, but to realize that they'd have to make their own parties in the first place.

>>172980663
How old is she?
What's the story explenation for lolis exploring a deadly dungeon? Autism?

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>>172980950
12 years old
why the fuck not

>>172978282
eo3 is boring outside of sea quests

>>172981216
bad taste

>>172980950
If Arianna with ther submissive personality and radiant naivety can help the party by giving Orders then Chloes autism is enough to explain her healing skills and her Ailing Slash damage.

>>172981462
>Chloes autism is enough to explain her healing skills and her Ailing Slash damage.
It's like I'm reading a light novel.

>>172981345
my favorite eo is V :^)

>>172981731
I'm from the future and I tell you: EOVII is the best.
Just kidding, there will never even be a EOVI.

>>172981917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Hg1IqhRr8

>>172980950
Himukai says he drew her as a 14 year old in mind.

>>172982221
what is this wubwub shit

>>172982838
A 14 year old that looks like an actual little girl?
I thought in Japan all girls that age look like they are carrying water melons under their shirts. Unless they are the resident Tsundere of course.

>>172983178
you need to watch more chinese cartoons

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>>172983178
Yes. Also Komori says they left it up to Himukai to come up with a girl magic user, and even though he might be imagining it, he thinks this type of drawing Himukais specialty

Here's an idea for an EOIV build, trying something a bit different

L/F M/B I/N
M/D A/R
thoughts?

>>172984572
Sure why not? It's IV, anything that interests you will work.

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>>172983178
Here, have more 14 y.o.

>>172984342
>this type of drawing Himukais specialty
Not anymore

>>172984572
You almost have every class once but take a second Medic instead of a Sniper?

>>172984572
Is that a combat medic on the front line? You don't see that foten.

>>172985048
I want to try out a super offensive medic and see how it pairs up with a blade flurry maxed imperial

but then I want a more traditional medic that can buff as well as heal

>>172985207
Really? People mention it here a lot. Though it's usually M/L.

>>172985229
What is that arcanist trying to do?

>>172985328
I usually see L/M instead.

>>172985437
>I usually see L/M instead.
L/M a Star Drop Landshark, M/L is a Combat Medic.

>>172985437
In my mind i see the arcanist serving as a sort of runemaster who can also lay down binds or ailments if needed

didn't want to go full one way and make it A/N and didn't want to actually make it full out offensive like R/A

>>172985229
You mean Follow Trace Imperial, right?
Blade Flurry does nothing for Imperial - it only works if you are dual wielding and Drive Blades prevent dual wielding.

With how little damage your party will do a full heal medic might actually come in handy...
Looks interesting but pretty damn slow.

>>172985681
>In my mind i see the arcanist serving as a sort of runemaster who can also lay down binds or ailments if needed
If all you care about is having a qt Arcanist then do whatever you feel like.

But both are very skill point expensive classes, so you will end up with a unit that's pretty terrible at both jobs.

>>172985684
yeah, meant to say follow trace, and that should be N/I. i want to get the satisfaction of ripping through bosses with multiple drives per turn, even though that's an incredibly shitty strategy

>>172985893
I've never tried anything other than A/M, so I just want to see if arcanists can do anything at all in a more offensive role

>>172986441
>in a more offensive role
Maybe A/B would boost the damage dealt from dismissing circles. Or if you're set on A/R, get Runic Flare to increase the untyped damage from dismissing, and don't waste points on the elemental runes.

What level is Ren and Tlachtga when you fight them? What level is Artelinde and Der Freischutz when you fight them? What level is Kujura and Olympia when you fight them? What level is Logre when you fight him?

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>>172974831
>they take a day to move one damn floor instead
Define floor

Why don't you guys ever talk about EOV party builds?
There's some crazy stuff you can do with them.
Hell everything's already translated in skill simulator

>>172987860
*raises paw*

um I did?????????

>>172987885
Because most people here doesn't know moonrunes

>>172987885
>Why don't you guys ever talk about EOV party builds?
Because you weren't here when the data was first mined, I guess.

>>172987885
we're all cookie cutter sanzufags

>>172987885
>EOV
never ever

>>172987717
Ren and Tlachtga I don't fully know. I believe I remember something like 48 or 50.
Artelinde and Wilhelm are 40.
Olympia is 53 and Kujura 57.
Logre is 44 (which means he instantly gains some levels when he joins you).