/twg/ - Total War General

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Sigmar > ze Lady

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>>172976391
Pleb.

I like both Warhammer and Historical Total War games.

im going to have an empire general go on a quest for elf pussy as a reenactment of the Mark of Chaos campaign

>>172976589
get out.

>>172972747

>>172976601

>>172971664
i dunno anon i dont play much anymore, and when i do its usually soloing

i member i used the cheat engine tables to get the weapons with the traits i wanted

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Stop playing Fantasy

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Rate my cabinet, /twg/. My monarch sucks dick but my military minister has great traits and I'm about to take Rome which has Barracks and an artillery factory so I'll be able to research and outfit proper armies instead of cav/inf spam. I'm playing 4 turns per year so these ministers will be alive for quite a while.

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>if you're walking around with less than 1000 troops, you are going to get immediately raped by overwhelming hordes of skeletons or empire troops or beastmen

It sucks

>>172976971
Looks like a pretty sweet cabinet to me. Are you going to be able to deal with those okay-but-not-that-great finances?

>tfw you post here but you don't even know the game yet
I can stay right guys

>>172976971
Avanti Savoia/10
Are you allying with the Most Serene?

>>172976998
git gud

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>>172977251
I meant OWN the game yet
fuck my life

>>172977251
Do you like fantasy warhams and or history.

Then yes

>>172976998
that's one thing i've noticed, more the most part armies that aren't 20 stacks in the campaign are largely worthless besides agent stacking like vc

i forgot about all the battles i fought in rtw that were mostly 10v10 or so and 20v20 were huge af

what do you think the intro cinematic will be like for warhammer 2?

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You're busy killing undead when this man comes up to you, slaps your ass and asks you to fight alnogside him against chaos.
What do?

>>172976998
playing as?

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>literally just bought warhammer
>172976971's pic makes me want to play Empire instead
I wish warhammer was less shallow desu

>>172977583
i go fuck a sexy femSkaven

what now

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I've got a challenge for you.

Kholek with all abilities and items, and nineteen rank 9 Shaggoths.

Custom Battle, normal difficulty, use whatever you'd like.

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Gobbo archers are _____

>>172977573
For the game it'll be the trailer we saw, just as the intro to Warham 1 is the cinematic trailer for that. For the individual races it'll be the in-engine trailers we see of them like Warham 1.

Unless they change things for some reason.

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>>172976281

>>172977561
Armies less than 20 can be useful on defense. Especially bretonnia where you might not want to build a Garrison

>>172977762
Unfiled, unbased, left handed.

>>172977583
Join him in glorious battle and then ask him to slap my ass again

>>172977583
Cry of joy because I am important enough that Emperor KARL MOTHERFUCKING FRANZ asked me to come with him and destroy those chaos shits

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>tfw

>>172977762
green and based

>>172977980
LME?

Is there any reason why i shouldn't pick Reiksguard over Empire Knights?

>>172977132
I got a trade agreement with France and Great Britain. I sent a trade fleet of sloops to get a trade node so hopefully they make it to an open one before the money runs out and I have to start increasing taxes. I took Naples and Milan from the Spanish and peaced out so I haven't gone bankrupt yet.
>>172977329
I'll probably conquer them soon. Ottomemes and PLC completely ate Austria so I'll probably turn eastward and "liberate" the balkans.

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>>172978114
But of course

>>172977747
it would be more of a challenge to win as kholek vs an ai with all anti large like demis or halberds

what the hell kind of challenge is this

>>172977980
S A C K

>>172977980

fuck me, i know that's napoleon but this makes me want to play empire again. what was so shit about that one anyway

>>172977747

TWENTY GOOD MEN

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What skaven unit is this?

>>172978487
some degenerates idea of a grey seer

>>172978487
clan eshin dicc runner

>>172978487
I think that's fan art. Reminds me vaguely of Pathfinder art, or MtG.

>>172978487
/mtg/ general is this way

>>>/tg/

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>>172978729
>>172978890
that's MTG bros

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=896599120

Has anyone played this yet?

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Has there been a mod made yet to help differentiate the different Damsels? Different color dresses, different staffs, something?

>>172978487
one of the rare females that is save from becoming a brood mother thanks to her white fur

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>>172978338
Franz is small time.

>>172978448
ultra-bad ai and unresponsive units

i will get you if you need it that bad senpai

>>172979756
see
>>172976743

whats your steam

>>172979725

oh yeah. well ill bite the bullet, terra incognita sounds promising

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The Horned Rat smiles upon us, another human city will be mine this day.

>>172977747
Run away with Gelt+demis, charge up plague of rust+transmutation of lead. Fly in and face fuck them then disengage when the effects are over.

Why doesn't the empire have pegasus flygunners?

>tfw had a dream they released two new lords
>One was a female tree like Durthu
>The other was a necromancer who started to the south of Vlad

Was weird but I thought they were both very cool.

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In their only mention in the modern fluff, female Skaven are described as mostly essentially mindless giant sky-scraper sized living wombs that are blind and have severely atrophied limbs, do not have the intelligence to speak, are covered in lactating breasts, are bought and sold as particularly valuable slaves, and only exist to constantly dribble baby Skaven like a faucet and to eat thanks to the Skaven tendency to "improve" on nature artificially. In one of the Gotrek & Felix novels, a Skaven is rewarded by his superior by being given permission to mate with one (the implications are mind-boggling).

>>172980359

> Why doesn't the empire have pegasus flygunners?

Hello Radious.

>>172980357
If 1.5 doesn't come out this week I swear to Sigmar

>>172980502

>Imperial Demigryph Flygunners [Grenade launchers (Female)]

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>>172976391

Sigmar saves you!

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>>172980357
The slight elevation around the city allows my Jezzails to demonstrate superior Skaven firepower

>>172979678
Try to beat a full stack of wolfriders

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>>172976024
>implying ASOIAF is inferior to Tolkien
This faggot keep getting better and better!

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Karl Franz owes his life to the Wood Elves. If you aren't allying with them and helping them conquer Bretonnia, then you are a faggot.

>>172977763
AND THEY'LL BE MAGNIFICENT TRAILERS.
Like best race
https://youtu.be/vUjtF0YYZ1c

>>172976998
UNFF that fuckin model is so sexy. I hope he's in game eventually

>>172980604
>Imperial Demigryph Flygunners [Grenade launchers (Female)] - Lore of death

>>172980761
He rules an empire, he has to put their needs above his own.

>>172980761
>Get Non-aggression pacts with elves
>One faggot hates it, goes to war
>drags them all into war with me
>They all sue the next turn
>Elf marches to Helmgart
>ends up enslaved after my captain assaults her army and body repeatedly

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I'm going to be dominated by a best elf!

Fuck me blasting charges are so powerful for how cheap the unit is

>>172980760
even harry potter is superior to got
it's the bottom of the barrel low fantasy garbage
even the eye of argon is superior

>>172980978
>Malekith and Morathi get the same sort of bonus as Vlad and Isabella, when reinforcing one another

>>172977641
why them feels nigga

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>>172980725
My warriors make it atop the walls. They must clear out the defenders who would rain deadly missiles down on us otherwise.

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>>172977641
I was expecting incest

Where did you hide the incest

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Out of all the base factions in warhammer which is the hardest to play?

>>172981348
empire

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>>172981167
The gates are broken and Skaven rush-scurry into the city to claim it for the under-empire

>>172981348
Kemmler or Azhag is a pretty shit time.

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>>172981118
confirmed for shit taste or troll. No one could possibly be this autistic right?

>>172981518
keep going anon

>>172981256
Anyone else dislike the slann model? Doesn't look frog-like at all. Doesn't even look toad like. Does anyone have reference art to how they may have gotten this idea for mazdamundi?

>>172981918
at least eye of argon is funny m8
there's nothing good about got.

Of all the low fantasy series, it is the worst. They should have made a series about the black company or wheel of time, or literally anything else.

Does anyone else rename their units after a heroic victory or extended campaign in a region? For example if I conquered the various states in Italy in Napoleon after multiple battles and sieges with the same 1-3 stacks, I would name the units in the stacks something like "Italian Wars Veteran Foot" or "Italian Wars Veteran Horse". I like it because I often mix my armies up so in one battle I would have veterans from campaigns in Italy, Germany, and Spain all fighting together.

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>>172981518
Here our advance is checked by a human formation. Yes, their pikes do make a somewhat decent defense.

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Help me out, bros, what is a good army composition for the last quest battle of Bretonnia?
The one in the Badlands, against the orcs.
I don't gonna there until I'm confident, but the bar always indicates that I'm fucked, so no point going there only to have my ass kicked.

>>172976589
I like history and fantasy and you.

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>>172982074
Tens of people agree with you im sure. How is GOT worse, you have to at least have an argument in there im sure. I'm looking forward to how you can pedestal both harry potter and tolkien above warhammer and GoT

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What kind of buff do you think it would be fair for Kemmler to get? Hopefully something loosely based on the lore.

Since he starts out with some Hexwraiths and Cairn Wraiths, I think it'd be cool if he had some perk like, 'if Kemmler has X amount of Ethereal units in his army, the non-Ethereal units get a 10% physical resistance buff.'

>>172982163
I do, based on surviving a long campaign or performing above and beyond in a battle.

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>>172982192
my plan-plan is simple

PREDICTIONS PREDICTIONS FOR FACTION RATINGS
Lizardmen > High Elves > Dark Elves > Skaven

bets on skaven being fun but worthless and half their shit will be bugged or as useless as chariots

honorable mention to tomb kings perhaps being lower than them for that reason

>>172982269
full stack of royal peg knights, grail knights, and grail guardians. The main challenge of the greenskin battle is the aracknarok spider.

>>172982432

NO DON'T DO IT YOU FUCKING RAT BY SIGMAR

>>172982332
not that guy but tolkien shits on any of those.

>>172982163
In warhammer I rename units based on banners

so If I put a group of knights with the blazing (or whatever is the flag that gives you fire damage) banner I call them the knights of the blazing banner or something

>>172982192
>Averland
I was wondering why I couldn't tell the attacking and defending forces apart

>>172977762
The world's strongest race.

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>>172982332
>ASOIAF and warhammer are better than tolkien

>>172982332
>pedestal
you're missing the point
I'm not saying potter is good

I'm saying got is shit

also not the same guy, so I'm not arguing about warhammer at all

>>172981348
Kemmler's mediocre
Azhag is a whole other kind of rough
Even bare-bones, you can't unlock all of his 'good' skills, so you have to split between
>Melee buffs (Including Waaagh! AoE)
>Magic tree (Not even available until his hat quest battle)
>Unit buffs (Makes your army not shit, also Stand Your Ground)
>Blue meme tree for lightning strike (Which since he's a bit more tacticool you'd expect him to use)
You can't even pick three of the above and expect it to work out properly
Also Skullmuncha eats another point instead of being a quest or something

>>172982489
It's worth it to bring a few Mounted Yeomen Archers to the Greenskin battle imo, seeing as Greenskins have little armor.

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>>172982269
>Luen Leoncuck
>damsel lore of life
>4 royal pegasus knights
>4 hyppo knights
>5 grail guardians
>5 grail knights

t. Karl

>>172982332
M8, I love warhammer, but Tolkien shits on it any day of the week

The fact that you think GoT is comparable to either is absolutely disgusting, GoT is utter trash. The prose is shit, the fat hack likes to say it's "realistic" when it's about as far from the medival period as you can get, the "I'm going to kill anyone you get attached to" gets dull and uninspired after the first couple of times, and the fat fuck will probably die before finishing it, because he's to busy stuffing his mouth with food instead of writing.

GoT is utter shit.

>>172980458
>(the implications are mind-boggling).
They are? How?

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>>172982432
DIE-DIE

>>172982605
sorry, these are actually some Tileans, but they get all kinds of crazy fucking flags, the crested helmet below the sun gives them away

Can I get a Copy of Total warhammer.
Money has been really tight lately and really would love to play it.

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>>172982960
IMAGINE

This looks like a Total War clone for the mid 18th century on sale on Steam. Don't know if it's good (mixed reviews) but some may like it and it's like $9.

"The Seven Years War".

http://store.steampowered.com/app/400470

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>>172982332

>Warhammer & GoT better than Tolkein

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>>172982979
I think it's supposed to be the flag of the Leopard Company, but for some reason they have a sun instead of double-headed leopard.

>>172982383
Krell.
Kemmler may choose a mount selection that insteaf of giving him a mount makes him a duo fighter like skarsnik.

KRELL WRECK HIS MASTER'S FOES.

>>172982642
confirmed comfy boi

>>172983191
buy it and review it for the thread

Question for people who know about Warhammer Lore.
How would a Night of blood event work for Dark elves in Warhammer 2

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>>172982063
I think they nailed a good interpretation after all.

I blame most of the disagreement on the fact that the headpiece doesn't really allow to see the elongated and bloated head the slann has which by itself is one of the key characteristics for the model's reading.

I'm a bit dissatisfied with the stubby arms and the very long feet (to not mention the navel), but despite that I'm liking this alternative version, has something of the first fat slann inspired by jabba.

How do you deal with missiles/missile cav as Dwarves? Slayers just get kited to death, same with miners, do I need to get charge miners? Should I just get more cannons?

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Post Lizardmen music

https://youtu.be/Bo-qweh7nbQ?t=4

>>172983113
it was 12 dollars on humble bundle 1-2 months ago.

>>172983528
Why does a giant frog have a pancake ass?

>>172982163
I do stuff like naming Vlad's Blood Knights "Vlad's Impalers", or if a warboss of mine beats up Grimgor in a battle he becomes say, X Grimsnik, 'coz 'e snikz Grimgor real proppa.

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>>172982979
Truly I am the greatest and most cunning of warlords, to think of such an effective strategy. Dozens of man-things die in seconds and the way is quickly cleared to the town center.

>>172983202
well, there is a Leopard Company unit, and it's not these guys, will look it up later

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>>172983635
Fuck I missed it

How do you deal with missile cav/archers as Dwarves? Im having a hell of a time keeping my slayers alive from them, and 3 Throwers don't seem to be enough, maybe I should get many cannons?

>>172983710
adherence to the miniature

>>172983486
If you have more than x [slaves/resource] : good things happen (Witch elf unit buffs, economy, whatever) + Subtract an amount of slaves
if you have less than x , bad things happen (army attrition, negative population growth, etc.)
It's a matter of who gets killed

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>>172982950
>>172983193
Fair assessment about GoT but still man, I've never read a book in the LoTR series or earlier that didn't have a boogieman syndrome.

While the tactics of GRRM may get tiresome, at LEAST he has gray morality characters most of the time. Both GoT and Warhammer deals with subjects that LoTR wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. LoTR is the safest fantasy out there and barely takes a risk in the entire lifetime of it's franchise. Ignoring the nostalgia of LOTR for a second, Warhammer dives deeper into its races and pushes them further (while sometimes comically) than LoTR does. Most races are ambiguously aligned at LEAST and don't follow a tacked on biblical complex.

>>172983635
Lemme just fire the time machine up, thanks.

>>172983795

Quarrellers AKA best archer unit in the game

>>172983795
Why the fuck don't you have quarrelers to slaughter them?

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>>172983812

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Are Lizards the only good guys.
As in they are uncorrupted able

>>172983940
>>172983948
Thank you.

>>172981256
As a proud Pizza Burger this Italian meme is officially pissing me off.

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>>172983528
Yah, maybe your right about the head dress. I just dont see frog at all in this though still and I think its the arms like you say. which I hope they don't lose considering the lizardmen are a coalition of different species. They should look like this:

>>172984115
Orcs are pure.

>>172983557
With your own better missiles

>>172984115
Yeah, the only ones that get weird are ones that get carried away

>>172984396
Can you explain?
I don't understand

>>172984115
No race is "good" in this series. Lizardmen are very neutral but still have genocidal tendencies.

>>172984006
nothing about that model looks the same as in game lol

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>>172983746
Elsewhere, all man-things are either fighting to their last or run-fleeing to town center.

>>172983202
game says they're Alacanti Fellowship

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>>172982950
>it is old therefore it is good
>it is new therefore it is shit
I'll agree that ASoIaF is not exatly great literature, but when looked at in isolation LotR isn't exactly the best book ever, and actually had to go through two revisions to become fully coherent and internally consistent.

Comparing these two and Warhammer ultimately ends up like comparing apples to oranges to bananas, though.

You'd have an easier time comparing Star Wars and Harry Potter, pic related.

>>172984115
well Sotek is the beginnings of corruption in skinks, but being cold blooded means their minds are too slow to comprehend enough to do any different.

>>172984115
They are inextricably good but not competent enough to be the ultimate good guys. HElves are not as good but still really good and has a bit more going on for them but in serious decline. Empire is good but not nearly as other 2 depending on leadership but unlike other 2 isn't in decline.

>>172982332
As a fellow lotrfag hater I commend you for the tears I'm getting to drink without even posting

Why do Vampire Cunts want to rule the world? What the fuck are they going to do with yet more dilapidated castles and poor villagers? I don't see what's in it for them.

>>172983862
gray morality doesn't make a good setting, much less a good book.

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Guys how do i Empire?
How can i improve the set-up i have right now?
Who should i swap for Greatswords?

>>172983862
>Thinks morally ambiguous characters are necessary to a good narrative.
Georgie Porgie even fails at that, with the main moral dichotomy of the series being essentially "Evil vs. Stupid".

>>172983528
That might just be for Mazdamundi, and the other slann will look a bit different

>>172984115
there's the story of a slann that meditated in the wrong direction and ended catching up the influence of a daemon prince that was infesting an abandoned temple, getting crazier and more contradictory as time passed.

the deal with chaos corruption it's not that it can't happen to lizardmen but that it is incompatible with their overly ordered psyches and causes death rather than a change of mind.

the younger races were supposedly specifically created to allow corruption to coexist, one can theorise that it was so to allow them to seek balance between the stability of order and the power gained from chaos.

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How do you make the skaven not broken?

>>172984165
what reference am I missing here?

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>>172984492
Looks about right from a google search.

>>172984538
You gotta remember that Warhammer is primarily a wargame setting, while the setting of LotR and ASoIaF is based around the novels. They're going to end up different, especially since the latter doesn't even have a wargame adaptation.

>>172984774
Make their shit explode.

>>172984613
Thats just the von carsteins. Necrarch want to be the magicians and are secluded in their towers studying and researching to be like Nagash. Blood Dragons want to become so good at fighting that they no longer need to drink blood like Abhorrash. Strigori are waiting to reform the old Strygos empire and refuse to create new vampires.

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>>172984492
Clan Eshin warriors try to storm the plaza quick-quick, but the way is blocked. This will be done the old fashioned way then

>>172984774
dunno, i want them to have their own corruption like chaos and vampiric.
Just make it "disease" or something

>>172984774
Have it so their machines have a chance of fucking them over aswell as the enemy.

>>172984613
Vampires are a product of Nagash, and Nagash was a gigantic narcissist and megalomaniac, with a bunch of other psychoses thrown in for good measure, so some vampires tend towards having the same personality traits. They can't help themselves.
Apparently.

>>172985035
But vampires hate Nagash

>>172984573
Good guys ranking is something like this
High elves > Empire = dwarfs > lizardmen
Right?

>>172984613
Yeah, just like chaos. Why would the gods order their followers to destroy the world when constant war and struggle are more fun to them and maybe even more profitable?

>>172984871
Normie meme where people shop an image of a hand doing an Italian gesture into random activities.

>>172984165
It's ok, I'm italian too

>>172984651
well clear black and white makes a worse one no doubt about it.

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>>172984919
All of Skavendom will marvel at such a victory, the day is ooooourrs!

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>>172983862
I'm not either of the people disagreeing with you but I think the discrepancy or disagreement here is about GRRM or the WHFB writers versus Tolkien as opposed to settings. Tolkien as a writer had his entire life combing things like Beowulf and lecturing on fantasy and storytelling from people before him. At the time of his writing fantasy wasn't even in the minds of anybody, and something even as entry fantasy as D&D hadn't even occurred it was so "underground". Tolkien's got his pitfalls as a writer but I'd mostly chalk that up to how hard he tries to emulate the style of Beowolf and all those folk legends he wanted to write.

Most of the WHFB writers are held back by GW watching over them, time constraints due to being consigned to write for an event, and inconsistencies between books because of how fucking many there are writing for the setting. Often times outside of the top ones like Gortrek and Felix it doesn't seem like they even want to be writing for the setting but have to anyways.

Though I really liked a lot of the End Times novels, Lord of the End Times especially.

>>172985126
Are you Northern Italian or are you Arab?

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>>172984774
>Skave can move everywhere and anywhere in the world
>They suck in a 1 on 1 fight with all the armies unless there jacked with machinery which can kill them as well
>you can hire ninja rats to kill off key targets
>Slave skaven are so shitty if you auto resolve with them they all just run away
>They don't conquer cities but tunnel underneath them stealing stuff from the city/ infecting them with the plague
>The player can waste resources trying to remove the infestation/ The longer the infection the more resources you gain
>Most of your powerful shit can explode or backfire
>They can fire on their own troops to keep morale high
Anything else I missed?

>>172984774
Lots of machine fuckups, most of their basic infantry has leadership problems as bad as/worse than Bretonnian peasantry. Could even take a risk and have mechanics so that their monsters can sometimes go in a mode that does more damage, but you can lose control of them and they run on AI, or even attack your own troops.

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Stop giving CA money

>>172984665
guise respond pls

>open Rome 2 after a year of not playing
>vomit

>>172985102
If you are talking about the time at which the game takes place probably Lizards are greater than dwarfs as they are too entrenched against the Greenies to really do much else and like the Lizards have been in decline for centuries since the War of Vengeance against the HElves that also in turn, put them in decline. HElves have a lot more plot armor though. Lizards can also impact the entire world with magic, mostly positively but with some backlashes.

>>172985256
Romano

not a shitskin

>>172985315
>All the other skaven are enemies if you can kill off the leader the other skaven will all run away and join you free of charge
>Gatling rats are really strong at medium range but can hit your own troops.
I also feel like if you try to fight the dwarfs it would be suicide

>>172985416
I meant on a moral level rather than power level. Although all of them are fighting the bad guys out of necessity mostly so I guess they are kind of even

You think CA is going to be ballsy enough to added the implied incest relationship between Morathi and Malekith?

>>172985243
Fair, but him being the first doesn't necessarily make it "good fantasy" as we know it now. While he certainly deserves credit for pioneering so much, I don't think he writes the stories in a way that have humanity as ironic as that is to say about fantasy.

WHFB was written by many teams over many years, some archaeologists and historians, some fans and authors. I think this serves to make WH a better series personally, it is written as the history of different fantasy cultures as they relate to real world cultures. I don't think we should shortchange the authors because they are multiplicitous.

>>172985256
>it's a Lega Nord episode

>>172985227
>well clear black and white makes a worse one no doubt about it.
wrong.
There is literally nothing wrong with a story having black and white morality. Morality is not what makes a story good or bad.

>>172985463
That's pushing it.
Just joshing, but my grandfather was Venetian and he had some choice words about Sicilians. He got stabbed by one during a fistfight.

>>172985102
The Chaos Gods aren't really individuals who can choose freely what to do. They're completely limited by their natures, and can only make decisions regarding how to best further that which they embody. Khorne embodies bloodshed to some 98% with a tiny bit of martial honour thrown in there, so he perpetuates bloodshed. Considerations like less bloodshed now for the sake of more over time are beyond him, he simply craves more, and the other Gods are the same. Tzeentch may seem different because he makes long-term plans, but that's just because change is more complicated to stimulate than bloodshed.

>>172985646
Why not, they've done it before.

>In the Family
>Some people lack the traditional number of grandparents.

I miss the snide remarks and sarcastic comments on traits and tech trees, like Shogun 2's not all thoughts are good thoughts

>>172985641
oh a moral scale. Lizards would be top as they are hardwired to let everyone else live out their existences and destroy chaos. HElves generally want the world to be a better place as long as they are still top dogs. Same as Empire but again their leaders have been absolute shit from time to time.

Dwarfs would be on the lower side since they care more about themselves and their grudges. Everyone else is second tier to them and their needs. But higher than Empire under bad management.

>>172985809
I don't know, a clear cut morality is less prone to character developments and related plot twists.

not that they are inherently good additions to a story, but having more tools to work with is better.

>>172985943
This still have some in Warhammer.

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>>172976281
Has there been any information about when will they reveal a gameplay or something?

>>172985243
>Most of the WHFB writers are held back by GW watching over them
More like they only sell anything at all because they're allowed to write for a popular setting. If they could write good shit that sold without needing to rely on Warhammer fans, they would.

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>>172985809
A badguy who does badguy things "becuz am evil" is the laziest bullshit ever.
A goodguy who does goodguy shit "becuz love will prevail" is so fuckin tired.

Someone who is good but conflicted with evil actions, or a bad guy who must be bad because of circumstance despite wanting otherwise is infinitely more interesting.

This is the difference between mature storytelling and immature storytelling. You may say it's wrong, and while that is your opinion, it is an easy one to make since the black and white distinctions are more easily digested.

is this where u paint miniatures

>>172984613
The Von Carsteins want to rule the Empire and beleive they are the rightful emperors. Nagash wants to force everthign t submit and put an end to life since life has the potential to rebel which resulted in his defeat a couple of times.

Warhammer 3 will be Age of Sigmar as a final fuck you to TT fans, screencap this

>>172984908
>and refuse to create new vampires.

They have no problems making more Crypt Horrors though.

>>172986036
For the story tolkien was telling, gray morality wouldn't have added anything.

>>172984908
don't they need to drink dragon blood to quench the eternal thirst?
Zacharias kinda did that.

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>>172986157
Oh and how's Brettonia? Havent played the game for a few months.

>>172986157
I wouldn't expect anything until E3, I think the game will be Q4 so the pacing should be extremely slow between now and summer.

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>>172984115
They can't turn to chaos but chaos can still mindrape them.
That's why most of the slann are sleeping, because they mentally wrestled with chaos for ages and they're all exhausted.

Ogres and Greenskins are pretty uncorruptable.

The one true ultimate enemy of corruption is the best character in the setting though.

>>172986374
I didn't intend to argue about anything in that sense.

>>172986391
They need to kill something really strong. A dragon will do it no problem, but potentially eating Archaon can work as well.

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>>172986297
>final WH title is Age of Sigmar
>upcoming history title is based on an alternate history ala Sunset Invasion

Would TWcenter AND /twg/ explode?

>>172986220
>mature storytelling and immature storytelling
Lol if you think there is such a thing

even more hilarious is if you think either warhammer or got are "mature storytelling"
got couldn't be more juvenile if it tried

oh wait yes it could, somehow the tv series manages to be even more juvenile. Side note: I wouldn't call the books as "edgy" but the tv series, my god, they went full edgy tryhard mode.

>>172986391
I read Ahborash's story and that is the thing I didn't understand
Do they need to just drink dragon blood or do they need to find the meanest strongest fucker they can possibly meet then feed on him, so as to achieve Golconda?

>>172986216
this. The old setting writers had plenty of freedom to write within the loose lore set before them. I happen to think they did a good job.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....WHERE IS KRELL

>>172985903
>He got stabbed by one during a fistfight.
What a dick.

>>172985903
>Bring fists to a knifefight

Got what he deserved.

>>172986635
OLDU
FURIENDO

>>172985903

>Venetian
Your grandfather was probably a cunt and deserved it

>>172986469
Think we'd get something before then, though the 'we'll see you at E3' probably means they want to blo their load then.

>>172986659
>>172986731
>>172986824
To be fair he won.

>>172986374
and that's why it is milk toast fantasy case in point.

>>172986549
Wew lad, both warhammer and GoT are by definition more mature, literally more mature, dealing with mature subjects. You're either a troll or an autist no doubt.

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>>172986220
>This is the difference between mature storytelling and immature storytelling

>>172986583
>The cave was the home of an ancient Dragon who returned from a period spent hunting in the lands to the east whilst Zacharias slept. When the Vampire awoke, his thirst was tremendous, and he fell on the Dragon like a newborn on his mother’s teat. Over the course of a month he drained the Dragon dry of every drop of blood. In doing so, he discovered the secret previously known only to Abhorash and his Blood Dragon kin. Zacharias became free of the thirst for blood and was filled with unholy power.

It would seem they just need to drink a whole dragon to death?

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>>172986948
>warhammer and GoT are more mature

>>172986872
Don't know about that but maybe some trickling information but nothing substantial. Interesting if the faction intro trailers will flash both LL's although we can assume 6/6 for the 3 revealed factions at this point. 2 HElves are confirmed, the rest have an overwhelming favorite.

>>172984538
>but when looked at in isolation LotR isn't exactly the best book ever, and actually had to go through two revisions to become fully coherent and internally consistent.
Oh don't get me wrong, LotR is far from the best book ever written.
But it's better than what ever the black library puts out for WHFB, and most definitely better than the trash that is GoT.

>>172982950
>GoT is utter shit.
so are many things, shows, and hobbies, but people still pay attention to them because it's fun

let's not go full /v/ here

>>172986220
Don't agree, characters that act altruistically for the sake of goodness or honour are regarded as the most interesting, like Eddard Stark, Gandalf, Frodo or Obi Wan. Being good isn't easy and has no reward, so it is quite mysterious that people should act in a good way and usually comes from a strength of character. That character can come from a close family, past trauma, regret, hope, idealism. There's a lot more to it than being bad, which is just self-indulgence 90% of the time.

>>172986635
I'd love for the old friend trailer to open up like this
my runner up idea is
>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>Goblins
As a prelude to the CG action of them getting stomped

>>172986220
It depends on the type of story you are trying to tell.

Nuanced characters with deep reasons for being good or being evil will not work well in traditional myths or fables. And while you might think that's just kiddie literature, that's arguably the basis for the 'epic' stories that are seen in games like Warhammer.

You also have to consider if the greyer morality is done well - a good writer can make a great series of flaws and important moments for a character, but sometimes a writer won't be able to handle it, and a character will come off as weak. Or occasionally, in making other characters more nuanced, one might end up being the character who's mean for seemingly no reason, with another character stuck as a 'punching bag' just so you know they're definitely bad, guys. Such a thing can get in the way of the story that's supposed to be told.

>>172984665
>remove both outriders
>remove mortar
>remove 1 crossbow
>remove all melee infantry
>switch lanc demys for halb demys
>get greatswords and halbeards in equal number as your melee line

>>172983862
>While the tactics of GRRM may get tiresome, at LEAST he has gray morality characters most of the time.
Not really. It's not grey morality, it's "SEE HOW BAD EVERYTHING IS? THE MEDIVAL PERIOD WAS JUST RAPE AND WAR YOU GUYS." Both misrepresenting the period (which is what really pisses me off, he likes to say it's realistic when all he does is make normalfags belive the dark age meme) and sacraficing quality in the name of shock value.
>Both GoT and Warhammer deals with subjects that LoTR wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.
True, though that doesn't make one better than the other.
>LoTR is the safest fantasy out there and barely takes a risk in the entire lifetime of it's franchise.
I disagree completely. At the time LotR was published, fantasy was not a common topic, certainly not the type of fantasy that LotR is. It was one of the first entries into the genre in modern literature, that's already groundbreaking and "risky".
>Ignoring the nostalgia of LOTR for a second, Warhammer dives deeper into its races and pushes them further (while sometimes comically) than LoTR does.
Oh, most definitely. But that's because LotR is a narrative, while WHFB is a setting.
>Most races are ambiguously aligned at LEAST and don't follow a tacked on biblical complex.
Eh, not really. All the factions fall into 3 main categories: order/good, chaos/bad, or neutral. I could crack open the rulebook and show exactly how GW splits them up. Are there exceptions and nuances? Yes, most definitely. But that doesn't change the fact that almost all factions fall one way or the other.

>>172987878
but thats really boring

>>172987186
Warhammer has it's moments, but it was really, really cheeky when it was first made.

It was made to meme in the 80s, this is coming from someone who loves it

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>underway battle
>my reinforcements and enemy reinforcements spawn on the same place
>this happens

kek

>>172984115
Lizards are immune to corruption but died by the billions to demonic fuckery during the early storms. Undead are also pretty immune to chaos, seeing as how they are antithesis to everything chaos stands for since they are immortal and unchanging. Making Nagash their ultimate enemy. But they are evil since they want to kill every living thing.

>>172988173
It's beautiful.

>>172987337
>so are many things, shows, and hobbies, but people still pay attention to them because it's fun
They can pay attention all they want, It's not my time their wasting. But it's still shit. They may enjoy it, but that doesn't change that fact.
Enjoyable is not the same thing as good, and good doesn't mean enjoyable, so many people seem to forget that.

>>172987878
Reminds me of the good old deck reviews on /wgg/

>>172988173
Now that's what I call a meeting engagement.

What is this Old Friend thing I see all the time?

t. newfriend

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>>172988173

>>172988310
Those were good times my comrade.

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>>172988173
>mfw I flank the enemy but he takes the opportunity to flank me but I surprise him by flanking him but he reveals his hand and flanks me but I go all-out and flank him but he-

>be new player
>open up TWW
>go to start new campaign
>get overwhelmed by choice
>close game after clicking between races for 10 minutes
hlep

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>>172988784
thats some creed vs tzeentch shit going on there

>>172988796
1-2 - Empire
3-4 Dwarfs
5-6 Greenskins
7-8 Vampires
9-0 Bretonnia
I have chosen for you, now go balls deep

>>172984006
Gonna say I like this more.

Game Slann looks like Fat Bastard.

>>172988983
Dwarfs it is I guess.

How does one into dwarf?

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>>172988173

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Shamelessly stolen from /tg/s warhammer general

>>172989060
make half your army Quarrelers, other half the toughest melee troops you have access to.

>>172989197
Okay. It looks like the capital starts with a barracks. Should I move it asap? Or can it wait until after Greenskins get fucked?

>>172989157
>dragon isles
>chaos dworfs getting raped by dinosaurs from the South

i would be dying if that happen

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>>172989157
> Invade Araby in TWW2
> Their armies of sand colored greatswords and mortars sally out to defend their noble lands

>>172989060
Hold the line, be an unmovable piece of shit, shoot everything with quarrelers and grudge throwers before the enemy gets close
Keep one or two units off the front line to protect your ranged units from cavalry
Be nice to other dwarfs and get that sweet trading income
Settle your grudges

>>172989295
I'd say leave it until you control the whole province of the three settlements, then you can place it in a minor settlement.

>>172989295
You can keep it there for the time being. Rush your northern province to get some tasty goldmines and a brightstone mine for loads of dosh, then haul ass back south to take out Grimgor's province. By that time you should've moved the barracks prolly.

>>172989060

Checkerboard formations when the numbers are even, kill boxes when they aren't.

I wanna start a chaos campaign tonight, any mods out there that make their campaign actually fun to play?

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i tried so hard...

This is definitely the hardest of the quest battles I've fought so far. The Greenskin equivalent was basically effortless. Any tips?

>>172989530
How exactly do you killbox?

retreat backwards your melee troops right before they engage the enemy melee and have ranged on the sides? I struggle doing that with all the with how slow dwarves are, is there a trick to it

>>172989457
>>172989524
>>172989490
Thanks lads.

>>172989530
What does that mean

>>172989617
Yes, Beastmen DLC

>>172989703
You are baiting, right?

>>172989703

Ditch the archers for royal Pegasus knights. Non AP ranged is almost completely useless against WoC

>>172989834
n-no
>>172989893
i figured the poison effect would make up for that. might just cheese it and build an army of 19 hippogryph knights.

>>172989973
>n-no

Then why the fuck are you using shitty peasant infantry instead of your fucking knights?

>>172989739

Build your formation as a wedge pointed at the enemy rather than a line. A Thane or Lord at the tip to allow sieving to shoot can also be great.

This will cause the enemy line to bunch up hard towards your center, and you can pull your shooty dudes around either side to lay into the blob. Artillery with ground targeting will also get real messy in this sort of situation.

>>172989973

Poison arrows can effect your own dudes too. They're only really reliable in ranged duels or on the approach to soften charge bonus.

Anyone else feel like the Empire is extremely underpowered?

>>172990305
No.

>>172980761
BROTHERS ACROSS THE GREY MOUNTAIN

KNIFE EARS HAVE TO GO

>>172990329
I can't do jackshit against end game chaos and warherds stacks, I just autoresolve my way to victory.

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So how do you think Skaven special weapons teams will be implemented? Special ability attached to regular Clan Rat regiments? Or smaller weapon sections like with Irondrakes?

>>172990479
Have you tried using good units?

>>172990524
more like their weapon missfire or are not precise a lot , cause in lore their weaponery are unstable as fuck

>>172990479
>has the hands down best artillery, cavalry and one of the best combat lords in the game
>backed up every single lore of magic except chaos/undeath shit

Maybe you just need to get better. That's not even meant as an insult. Demigryphs demolish anything they come in contact with, Steamtanks completely murder anything in range, and Karl on Deathclaw can 1v1 most things Chaos can throw at you.

>>172990591
Halberds and greatswords die like chumps against chariots and minotaurs. It aint working son.

>>172989157
so how the fuck will they include Southland if the map frame is rectangular?

>>172990757
Good units dude. Halberds are chumps.

Protip: None of the Empires good units are infantry.

>>172990524
Probably like irondrakes, small teams of dudes, since that's easier to make and more convenient to play with, maybe some units with inbuilt poison wind globadiers that act like blasting charges

Since skaven are going to be in do you think they will include Skavenblight or the Hellpit when they release the combined map?

>>172989157
So wait, how does TWW2 fit into this?

>>172988080

Aye

Moreover you don't need cheese max to kill shits as AI

IIRC my final few battles vs Chaos in a legendary camp my main couple armies were;

Lord, Wizard
Swords/Halberds
4x HGs 2x Xbows
2x ST 2x RG

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>>172990109
aight I'll give it a shot.

For a while I was arranging my units in a V shape at the enemy, the tips where melee and the center was handgunners, the AI with charge the ends and you have line of fire from the center into their flanks.

Stopped cause cheesing the AI makes for lame replays.

>>172990942
We're getting all of that in 2, minus the chaos wastes
We'll probably get the wastes in 3

>>172989157
>that straight as fuck mountain-range in the southlands
They just didn't care, did they?

>>172990851
There's no point in playing them then.

>>172990757
Minotaurs? When the fuck does one fight minotaurs?

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>>172989157
suppose the this is warhammer 2 map, that is a lot of water with no naval combat

>>172991101
???

The more I play Bretonnia, the more I notice how lazily they were implemented.

>Only one quest battle per lord; most items they get on the TT are passive buffs which are simply unlocked when levelling
>Alberic is simply a generic lord
>Reused voice lines, resulting in peasants shouting "God help us"
>Foot Squires description made by someone who never read Bretonnia lore

In b4
>but it's free!

>>172991148
>fey enchantress heals some peasant
>"the witch casts its spell on us"
really fire my neurons

>>172991420
Its more effective than you'd think
That shit wont work in multiplayer but the AI will rarely have enough anti-large to take on all of your cavalry

>>172984883
That was my point, LotR is one set of books in a whole universe Tolkien thought up.

WHFB is another such universe, and ASoIaF a third. WHFB has shit tons of books and bits of background, ASoIaF only has one series of books and a TV series that is at this point probably better known than the fucking books ever were in the first place.
Much like the LotR movies.

>>172987295
>But it's better than what ever the black library puts out for WHFB, and most definitely better than the trash that is GoT.
I can't really comment on fantasy black library books, I only ever read Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn.
ASoIaF was OK and even good for the first few books, but the quality appears to be dropping. Some chacaters are pretty good.
But my point was what I said above, comapring books is pointless since we're looking at whole universes/settings here.

>>172989432

>open diplomacy
>its the Empire guy with a turban and a tan
>"We may not be the Empire....."

>>172991420
Well you can throw in a handful of squires if you feel like it, but that's the gist of it, yeah. Grail Knights, Grail Guardians, Royal Pegasi, some hippogryphs.

Do i even need crossbowmen (or any ranged infantry/horses) in my army as Empire?
Any artillery seems a lot better, especially Steam tank or Helstorm.
Guise?

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>>172989157
i don't deserve such happiness

Why is the Rome 2 campaign/ui so fucking awful?

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>when you quick save before a battle and then remember the last save for your other campaign had been a quick save before a battle as well

The last save before that was twentyish turns ago, and I'm not sure I feel like trying to retrace my steps. On the other hand, I don't want to start another campaign of that faction yet again, I had actually been making progress...

Fuck.

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Fucking campaign doesn't end. I took out Chaos but had to take out the VC to get victory conditions.

First Tilea (my best ally wih Bretonnia) went to war with the Dwarfs and vice versa and I had to choose. I picked neither, Tilea was mad but Dwarfs went to war with me and didnt' send anything. However that went in Sigmar's will of grudges and all that dead space in the mountains used to be dwarf territory before I came along (Except the far north, Dwarfs never helped against chaos and they seem to have lost that territory during some part of the war).

Before I can provide a buffer to deal with VC, Bretonnia goes to war with my wood elf allies. And after an initial shakiness I have them on the ropes.

Then the Varg and Skaeling sought a peace treaty from me and now just march through my lands to raid the southlands. I accepted the peace because it was tedious putting two stacks up north to deal with their incursions. And the VC have stacks meandering through my land towards either bretonnia or the Norscans or Dwarfs which means I need to have my stacks on the Bretonnian front ready to serve.

And for some reason the Dwarfs are really obsessed about digging here in the mountains north of Tilea. Perhaps they are fighting the skaven.

AI Becomes real fucking stupid after the chaos invasion.

>>172983586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAVGo2Kw7jQ

>>172992008
How will the Dark Elves early campaign work, looks like they have no immediate enemies, guess you'll fight other DE like a greenskins campaign?

>>172992258
they have nobles houses
so you probably will fight and confederate the different houses

>>172992258
there will probably be Delf secessionists, chaos maurauder in the north, and you can have some early raid to the human settlements down south or helfs to the east. Pretty solid challenge desu

>>172989157
One can only hope for a complete map overhaul once game 3 is out.

CA will just butcher Ulthuan, Naggaroth and Lustria by shrinking them all and rotating the latter two.

Or maybe they'll actuall go back to the Theatres from Empire.

>>172976998

My late game had doomstacks. Everyone rolling in 2s or 3s if they could manage it.

>>172992258

Chaos raiders (or you raid Hung or Kurgans), perhaps beastmen of the interior or I'd imagine some orks exist in naggaroth.

I feel like they ought to have done daemons in this because you'd have reason to feature Slaaneshi daemons with the dark elves or with rebel high elf cult of pleasure rebellion, daemons trying to interfere with the vortex if the skaven or dark elves weaken it, ect.

>>172992525
>chaos maurauders to the north

fuck yeah, murdering and raping Maurader fucking shits as Delvs sounds satisfying.

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Guys does this look okay?
I am playing Empire first time, ranged infantry looks way worse than just slapping artillery in.
Am i right or artillery is just a meme?

>>172992679
there might be some deamons spawning from the vortex though. we have a Lord of Change in game 1 so it shouldn't be too far fetch

>>172992919
Luminark is kinda hit and miss. Get rid of the halberds and put some more greatswords in, aswell as some handgunners/x-bows depending on enemy type. Get rid of the standard demigryphs and replace them with halberd variant for all your monster and cav killing needs.

Artillery is generally good, but requires proper positioning and protection from enemy cav.

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>>172992919
That's a very powerful army comp for sure, you might be underestimating Handgunners though, they are extremely anti cav and large units like giants etc.

tbqhwy I like to take a more themed and weaker army so it's funner, a tip top army comp just sucks the fun out of almost all battles cause you can steamroll so easily. Minus even more points if you grabbed Lightning Strike.

>>172992258
i feel like Helf would be the most isolated. Ulthuan is like Athel Loren, so the they shouldn't fight among other, so you will have to take to the sea. There might also be pirate horde factions though.

>>172992425
>>172992258
this , they most likely will be noble houses fight cause its in the DE nature to backstab each other

but my question is how will the high elves early campaign will work , they are supposed to be the most unified race , like all of ulthuan is just them and theres no inner conflict like you would see in the empire

>>172993223
Luminark is godlike after the buff imo. Says fuck you to any single/small unit, and does more than decent damage to larger units as well.

>>172993427
As I said, hit and miss. Against large heavy armies it's excellent, but against more well rounded armies a steamtank will most likely perform better.

>>172976998
Having the whole game revolve around 20 stacks sucks

They need more mechanics, either generals levels limiting how many units, or new army types like patrols or something other than what we have now

>>172993427
Yeah you can two shot lords with it, plus its fun to micro it behind enemy lines during the fight.

>>172993351
>tfw High Elves Secessionist/ Ulthuan Mutinous Host

Miners with blasting charges are so much better for supporting infantry lines than quarrellers.

>>172993879
ok

>>172983586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyzVmx41O-A

>>172993427
Only the regiment of renown one is worth it.
FREE nets are absolutely insane

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Holy fuck. Beastmen VH as Morghur is actually fucking fun. A campaign that really makes you plan and think every move and a unique playstyle.

>>172982950
>but Tolkien shits on it any day of the week
Thats the funniest thing iv read all week

There is literally nothing LotR offers over Warhammer as a video game. Absolutely nothing.

>>172993223
>>172993301
you mean standard handgunners or Outriders/pistoliers?


Also i try to min-max as much as possible because i suck dick at this game and only being a tryhard MIGHT save me...
I won normal as VC but now i am playing hard as Empire and Varg,Skaelig are already pushing my shit in and actual Chaos is still not here yet

>>172993920
well it's news to me Anon, 3 campaigns in and I've just realised I've been using them completely wrong.

>>172994134
>+40% upkeep cost for Minotaurs

Blegh.

>>172994134
the fuck are those green empire units?

>>172994216
Soundtrack, but that's it.

I wish CA would get their soundtrack together, it hasn't been the same without Jeff

>>172994312
You just gave a fairly general statement without explaining much.
I actually disagree. They support in different ways.

>>172994462
You can play the LotR soundtrack while playing Warhammer so thats moot

>>172994425
Hochland

>>172994425
Huntsmen, I think they are from the 'Empire of man' mod.

>>172994079
Nah, the normal ones are more than good enough, it's just the RoR one that's absolutely incredible.

>>172994462
Attila had good music, Warhammer too. People need to get over "muh thunka thunka"

>>172993559

Generals should not count as part of the stack. I also liked the idea an anon had of the general + 1 agent not counting as part of the stack.

>>172994240

Make sure you get walls on em minor settlements, that makes the varg and skaelig more of a nuisance than a real existential threat. Means you can park a single stack in the north (and then double once you get to praag, if you get there, if not praag then fort von something in ostland) and they can just play 911.

Pistoliers are fucking garbage. Don't use em. Outriders are underwhelming in their utter glass cannonness. I am pretty sure my handgunners will survive longer against chaos chariots than a goddamn outrider.

If I had your stack I would nix 2 of those halberdiers. You have mroe than enough anti-monster with those 3 demi-gryphs. Halberdiers are good to hold the battle line and absorb casualties but lategame vs chaos and I find it's more efficient to have a smaller anchor and a larger flanking force of cavalry and such. You have more than enough cavalry so you are solid there, but maybe make 2 halberdiers become 2 handgunners and now you have assets that can hold off marauders on the flanks or form a british redcoat line with the gatling gun.

Perhaps those two gunners + gatling gun with 1 demi gryph and 1 swordsman (or 1 demi and 1 halberd demi) behind/to the flanks of your artillery section to charge ahead if chariots come for the gunners/arty.

>>172994539
Well until now I've just been putting them on flanks and keeping them in the normal miners role and just taking the blasting charges as a nice little bonus to throw at cav.

But since I've been playing Gelt + wizard campaigns and using magic pretty well I've found they're way better for mincing infantry if you get them to clump.

deploy as tight as you can to get the enemy to clump round you and miners with blasting charges will make their whole army route in seconds.

>>172994904
>Generals should not count as part of the stack. I also liked the idea an anon had of the general + 1 agent not counting as part of the stack.
That doesnt solve the core issue of 20 stacking everywhere

I feel like we need officers and generals. Officers being only 10 stacks and generals being 20 stacks.

>>172995040

You'd need to make sure there are ways to demand use of officers and not just generals whenever and however. That could reward a sense of skirmish mode vs big battle mode but how do you keep them from just using two officers? I see the AI doomstacking a lot, so now I'd see chaos officer stacks being 2-3 armies of officers instead of 2-3 of generals.