/domg/ - Dominions General

First for aboleths OP

Second for gib LA C'tis advice please, summod and magic enhanced are in use.

>>172835704
Is the pale riders summon spell good? Or should I use manikins instead?

>>172838009

1. Get many D gems
2. Summon tomb wyrms
3. Bless tomb wyrms with n9b9
4. Win?

>>172838089
If you need cavalry riders are good. Summon archers if you have the cross path instead.

>>172838135
Alright, thanks.

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Seventh for filename

>>172838135
Follow-up question though: Do I use tomb priests or kings to reanimate Wyrms?

Are Ziz good ?

>>172839121
Good mobile siege force if you have the paths and nothing better do summon?

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11th for the memes

>>172841071
wtf how? 5 crits in a row?

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What the hell I just noticed something. Does higher paths in magic give more research than equal amount of magic, but in separate paths? I mean it would make sense since it costs more to empower to a higher power than to a lower power, but not practically useful since the research output is not much better.

>>172842238
You gain +1 RP for each experience star.

>>172842019
There were 25 PD, but I wanted thread to move

>>172842373
Ah shit didn't notice that. Thanks.

Is E9 or N9 better for Ashdod if you don't take both?

>>172842778
They can also command more troops.

>>172843509
Which is handy for mages and priests with otherwise low leadership.

>>172843221
Nature synergises better with beserking, and i think the prot5 loses value with their units?

>>172843221
>giants

N9 so you can make decent SC/thugs later?

>>172843652

Reinvigoration is as or even more important for SCs than regeneration.

I guess making affirmative sentences with an interrogation mark at the end is a new meme ?

>>172845954
sure, but he's asking about a major bless. Its fine to take e4/6, but a nature bless also lets him craft nature items(such as reinvig items). Its more flexible to go n9.

>>172846434

It can be cost efficient to go E9 or even 10 with a good chassis.

See, regeneration costs 10 gems pre hammer for a living commander and there are a few ways of obtaining it (hydra skin armor, ring, spells etc). Reinvigoration is way harder to come by - feet slot, two misc items, a weak armor.

E10 is worth as much as an amulet of resilience plus you can stack it with other items.

While honestly N9 will be better in most cases an optimized SC bless would include very high E I think.

>>172846618
Adons have 3 misc slots so reinvig shouldn't be a problem for Ashdod.

>>172847214

Adons are trash and wont ever be real SCs, jew summons could tho. F2 Adons? HA! S2? Magic duel rip. E2 are usable but they can earthpower and thats another way you can get cheap reinvigoration.

High E bless is tailored for angels and other non E SC wannabes.

Is MAdman ever going to go?

>>172847924
I'm surprised it still hasn't started yet; as far as I can tell it's one of the only open games around.

>>172849143
theres too many meme games desu. the one nomeme game that started filled up in an hour

Noob here, is MA Eiru as shitty as it looks on the Inspector?

>>172849841

Yes. Abysmal win rate.

>>172846618
Thats fine and in general I agree, but for Ashdod, they don't natively have access to nature. Ashdod's SCs that need to be fatigue neutral can be E2 for earth power reinvig, w/e amount of fatigue you need in misc slots, and a minor earth bless is enough.

A Nature bless opens more options(including access to nature that isn't n1 indys) to the nation and is better on the sacreds troops with e9 getting diminishing returns.

I love ichtyids?

>>172850169

I know, its way easier to execute N9 that high E, I was just making my point for the sake of getting some discussion going.

Too many meme games killed the general I am afraid. We need normal games to keep it alive.

>>172850539
Alright, point made. so for the sake of discussion what nations do you think best benefit with choosing e9/10?

what are the paths on the summod abysia crossbreeding spell ?

>>172851206

A nation with all sacred mages (or the mage you use most in battle being sacred) and potential for SC. MA Pythium perhaps?

Hinnom with recruitable N mages and Melqarts? Berytos is also a contender what with sacred mages and summoned Melqarts.

>>172851206
I'll try LA Marignon

>>172851229
Blood and astral I'm pretty sure.

>>172851206
MA Agartha. Scaling E summons, sacred statues with no armor, sacred (also old and squishy) mages.

>>172852362
thanks

>Thaumaturgy Bonus: 20
Can I do anything cool with that site?

>>172854350
Cheap F/S/E/A searching, gift of reason casting, imprint souls, and raging heart.

>>172854679
>Cheap F/S/E/A searching
Those are 2 gems each, won't the cost just get rounded up?

Thanks for the other suggestions though.

>>172854350
Leprosy

How do you use Bane, Bane Lord and wraith lords?
Bane as a light thug, Bane Lord as a heavier thug and Wraith lord as the sort of thug who needs no items and doesn't care about dying as long as it's in your dominion?

>>172850032
Isn't TNN bad too then? They basically seem like Vanheim without Einheres, blood, or sailing.

>>172857096
Give them a brand and a shield? Optionally flying boots as well.

>>172857148
TNN kinda compensates it a little bit with A2 ethereal assassins (very powerful), and RoS ladies (without summod), but yeah, they're pretty mediocre. Also, fir bolgs don't wear helmets. That's why they don't survive MA.

>>172857453
>ethereal
two ages later m8

>>172857561
Bah, I meant glamoured, obviously.

>>172857096
mostly to capture-recapture provinces and semi-empty fortresses while real big armies are sieging/dancing around/battling each other.

theorically speaking your enemy can't afford to divert forces from his big army because if the big armies battle each other both players will want as many mages and good troops in there.
At most he can afford some regular boring troops, very few sacreds, a bunch of his most common recruitable mages and that's what thugs and minor SC are built for battling, in my opinion.

sometimes you notice that an heavier unit with better equipment would be able to defeat almost all the enemy could field or currently is fielding and has researched, so you can invest in more of that, but usually you aim for the cheapest you can get.

>>172857148

Also very low win rate so most probably yeah.

>>172857148

TNN has better researchers and doesn't have to buy a pony for every nerd that sits around reading books. Nature has some nice buffs and items but you are right that overall TNN is worse than Vanheim.

>>172859250
All other elves are worse than Vanheim.

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>>172835704

Trying to learn MA Asphodel, but it seems like my freespawn are generated really fucking slowly.

What increases that? Spamming those centaur commanders? Having different scales? Having more candles? Does anyone have a formula for how they're generated?

>>172859559

Growth and candles

>>172857345
>>172857882
No I meant the differences between those 3 thugs in their usage.

C'tis can we talk in the steam chat?

>>172860058

Bane = don't have access to bane lord yet.

Bane Lord = basic thug for doing thug stuff

Wraith Lord = overpriced

>>172859559
Growth and dominion strength increases the amount of freespawn
Magic increases the quality of freespawn
Temples maybe affect freespawn in some way?

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MasterTheCircle
https://pastebin.com/nTtgHER9

no memes just natgen

>>172860058
>>172862248
pretty much this.

but wraith lord does basically have regen on drugs against live troops with that d3 spell that leeches around him.

>>172859559
Take Magic 3, Growth 3, 9 or higher Dominion. Also put down a temple in your forest province and there should be a ton of freespawn from that forest. If you need more freespawn then spam centaur commanders to reanimate more freespawn

>>172862170
The mating call of wild Malakals

>>172862387
>no memes
>elenrus still in the game

pick one.

>>172862863
admin said he'd delete it right before game start. Leaving it in is to stop someone who actually wants to play from picking them by mistake and then not actually being able to play

>>172862863
this:>>172862991

>>172862863
>>172862991
What's meme about it?

>>172862991
Fair enough

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If you shit horrors into a fight and then flee, will the horrors continue to fight the enemy?

Jesus christ AutismWars finally ended, Man won. I'd post graphs but I'm just so fatigued

>>172865192
Ayep

>>172865192
Yes.

t. Reality fucker

>>172865198
I didnt get to summon even one balrog.

>>172866895
Sorry m8, I thought volcanic eruption would make a volcano in your cap

>>172867003
Ah well. Next time I'll make sure to look for any crazy terrain requirements before I devote my research to something.

>>172867363
Do you know what Man was doing anyway? I saw tarts at the end, but that was it

>>172867675
I looked at one of his fights where he basically army of fogged his entire army before I had falling fires and I knew I wasn't going to be winning this one.

If a stealthy mage teleports, do they appear sneaking?

>>172867969
Literally need 30 seconds to test it, so go and do that, and then tell us if it's so.

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>>172865198

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TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain RP game has finally started!
>dat Ragha pretender name
For fuck's sake
Oh well, not as bad as that other RP game.

>>172869203
>no walls on the part facing water
triggered

>>172869857
well, it is a world in which all large bodies of water are draining away to the caves so I assume attacks by sea are unlikely

>>172869203
finally. ill take my turn as soon as i finish baking my pie

>>172870373
sorry i was 2 hours l8 m8

>>172869995
SO THEY SHOULD BUILD WALLS BEFORE THEY DRAIN AND BECOME LANDreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>172869203
No restarts please, I have a really good starting position.

Let's kill Ragha first

>>172869203
>>172871121

Its easy - we kill the gryphon!

>>172862248
>Wraith Lord = overpriced
Sure, but wouldn't it be worth have have 1-2 in friendly dominions for defensive purposes?
A wraith lord can thug without items and you won't have to replace him when he dies.

Worst case scenario:
Bane Lord with Fire Brand + Vine Shield: 32 gems, gems are lost forever when he dies
Wraith lord: 40 gems, respawns upon death when in your dominion

>>172871121
Agreed. Buckle up, Ragha-sempai.

>>172869203
>>172871121
>>172872136
>>172872548
Shall we introduce the pretenders and play GUESS THE BLESS?

Sorry for the stale. Went out drinking last night and woke up hungover without my laptop.

Wont happen again. I apologize for going out vs playing an autistic pbem game with strangers

>>172873957

Loser

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Here's our autistic RP pretenders.

Rex has a pretty redundant title. Let's hope he's not so one-note in the thick of it.

Macha sounds pretty grim, honestly.

I don't think Alexandra is actually very awesome at all.

Orochi over here? "The Rice God"? Really now, that's kind of a mundane title. I bet his people really love it, though.

How can Mramorus be both "The Unmoving Master" and "The Far Traveler"? Make up your mind, you fucking one-eyed freak.

Behesh's Heart over here suggests by his title that Behesh was actually heartless.

Urd's probably an okay guy. He does get the "least titles" award, though.

Grainheart sounds like a cool dude. I'd live in his nation.

Mr. Mustache will be the first to die.

Nothing I can craft yet I'm afraid. Research has been tough.

I'd like to trade gems directly.

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>mfw dire potent

>>172876859
Should have said what you were planning Theorodos, I could have sent some death gems your way.

Marverni - I'm willing to make peace, but would like to discuss borders. Are you available to talk on Steam or Discord to make things go more quickly?

>>172878238
Whatever bats offer, I'll double it.
Who would you rather have as a neighbour? Honorable giants, or sneaky, backstabbing bats?

>>172878238
>peace
>with the bats
Marveni I really shiggy your diggy

>>172878238
Discord is fine

>>172878513
Great. I'm online now

>>172878513
>>172878392
>>172878238
>making peace with giants or bats as marv
I hope you like ded

>>172878513
Are you for real?

>>172878636
I was never at war with Marveni.
In fact, Bats drove Marveni nearly to extinction and now that bats are struggling, they suddenly sue for peace, which is more reason to keep going.

Himnom, I have 70 fertile young girls at your disposal. Send a number of death gems or nature ones and I'll repay you in a equal ammount of virgins. If you send them next turn I'll send the girls when I receive the gems, due to the going wars this matter is of urgence. I also accept gold, 10 girls are 150 gold.

>>172878836
Marverni offered peace.

>>172878941
Lily-livered cowards.
They better put on some clothes. They no longer deserve to be bare-chested warriors.

>>172878846
1-1 blood for gems sounds kinda bad
15 gold per slave also sounds kinda bad

>>172878558
https://discord.gg/7zRAf

>>172879591
I don't have blood. They are like regular gems for me. I can do 2 for 1 and 10 for 100 if you are willing.
But I'd rather have death than nature. Or astral over nature.

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Friendly reminder that bats are the biggest nation in the game now, tied with Mictlan, before Yomi and Sauro. And they're not even done eating Niefelheim yet.

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>>172881421
Also, reminder that a malakal plays them.

>>172879591

Bad? Thats an awful deal. Usually 1 to 5 is ok for slaves to gems.

>>172879591
I took a deal near 1-1 for slaves - it is a bad deal unless its breaking you into all sorts of things.

In my case it let me forge the black book, which broke me into vampires and tarts. As bad a deal 1 to 1 is for slaves, it was still more efficient than empowering in death.

1 slave for 15 gold is a decent trade depending on nation/time of game. Hinnom has far less use for gold, than say Vanheim.

>>172881421
That's actually reassuring. Can you post research/income too?

>>172881421
Post all the graphs you have plz

>>172883687
Decided to drop the roleplay as soon as you began to lose, didn't you?

>>172884327
I dropped it when I realized that no one other than Thero was interested in playing with it at all

>>172884412
That's super rude. Why did these guys even join an RP game if they didn't want to roleplay?

>>172884749
ikr

>>172884749
tell that to mr moustache

>>172884412
>>172884749
The roleplay was that we'd have fast turns

>>172885407
kek

>>172883687
>>172881421
But seriously, please do post the other graphs that you have

>>172885878
>Please post the other graphs showing how good I am at this game

>>172885878
no u

>>172886219
>>172886310
I mostly just want to see research too

>tfw people think you're Malakal

>>172874606
Since Behesh is from the Dominions and Dungeons and Dragons campaign, I can confirm that might actually be the case.

>>172888459
>Dominions and Dungeons and Dragons campaign
Going to need some elaboration on that anon.

>>172888672
It was a few months back when it got set up.

A reborn, a senator (Dropped), a van mercenary (killed by Asphodel, replaced by Ermorian captain), Just Fire-obsessed druid, and a pale one scout during the fall of Ermor.

Crux wrote a bit about it: https://cruxador.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/dungeons-dragons-and-dominions/

>>172888924
Neat.

>>172881421
LMAO
Who gives a shit? POEMS DUDE!

Theodoros did nothing wrong. Let the world burn.

>>172887437
>spineless and dropped the assault on bats as soon as things started to get hot
Yep, sounds like Malakal.

>>172888924
cool
>tfw no group to rpg with in a dominions setting

>>172889942
this desu

>>172889942
all I did was not siege his capital, the only province of his left in my view.

mostly because fuck sieging a capital full of dirt cheap fliers

>>172890285
>he said while LITERALLY bordering bets from the north and the south

>>172890285
Enjoy having all your empty palisades sieged by those cheap fliers in ~10 turns.

>>172890643
those were neifel territories when I stopped, and I moved all my armies to more profitable ventures following bats "demise"
>>172890867
that's kind of the point of having empty palisades, it takes multiple turns to take them instead of just 1

>>172891912
>it takes multiple turns to take them instead of just 1
Wow, you're so cute!

35 zotz is enough to crack an empty palisade in 1 turn.

Who up for /realulmhours/?

>>172892467
2=multiple

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Pray for me brothers, i'm going in.

can someone sum up MA Ashdod for me please?
How good are they in a meme oeridia game?

>>172893419
"good giants"
probably should be, they've got an awesome late game and good expansion

how the hell is jomon supposed to summon dai oni?

>>172897549
use your pretender, just like all the other nations.

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>>172893019
good luck~

For everyone who wanted to join that mod nations game but hated fighting against Sandeth.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EA_Zel

Page 9 bump

Keep it alive bump

>>172903468
kill it with thunderstrikes

>>172903498
phoenyx pyre blinking bombs

>>172903540
earthquake

>>172903638
horror mark, call horror

>>172903914
desura thug

>>172903914
Whats that one blood spell that can go wrong and summon a shitload of horrors?

>>172904026
The "your going down with me" last resort where you set all your remaining mages to communion slaves and have your master cast Hell Power?

>>172904026
hell power. its a really good spell, makes you better at everything. just if it goes on for too long it starts spawning horrors. spamming horrors for five turns then retreating is probably one of my favorite tactics since horrors are just so cool

>>172903998
communion master, communions slave, soul slay

>>172904560
com slaves can't cast spells :^)

>>172904492
>>172904560
That sounds about right. Does putting it in a communion summon horrors for each slave as well?

>>172904856
yes. Hellpower applies down just as all other selfcast spells do

>>172904762
the masters cast soul slay goober. if youve got thugs most nations with s access will have communions and at least mind burn if not soul slay

>>172904856
you know im not sure at all

>>172904913
thats good to know

>>172903638
mass flight

>>172905292
five bat armies take all your provinces while you fight 5pd

>>172905413
20 PD

>>172907859
100 PD

>>172907985
Truly an impregnable defense

Prepping for a land and naval war with Atlantis as MA Agartha. What are MA Agartha's best option for powerful regular units, recruited or summoned?

>>172908712
IT DEPENDS
Do you have a bless?

>>172908712
sentinels and shard guards are by far their strongest options even unblessed.

other than that they're essentially a heavy armor human nation

>>172908712
If you took N9 any of the sacred statue summons should get the job done for you, high prot, 0 encumbrance. Umbrals are good too

>>172909028
>>172909179
>>172909095

I took W9 and E3 on the giant worm.

>>172909450
for what purpose would you do this as MA agartha? is it an innovative strat?

>>172910128
It's because I'm playing against bots and I'm not a minmaxer.

>>172910221
In that case, just overgear a marble oracle and it'll kill everything

>>172910323
>>172910221
or, heck, overgear a recruitable oracle and it'll kill everything.

>>172910128
tbf w9 shard guards are sicknasty. 1.5x glaive hits, and the ap boost does them a ton of favors for closing

>>172910439
>>172910323

Okay. Gear recs?

>>172910542
Lots of armor (even the AI uses water elementals), vine shield, cold resistance, fire or frost brand. For the living oracle, use a ring of regeneration. If you can make Bone Armor, putting that on the marble oracle is good since it can't regenerate without a bless.

>>172910504
A single shard glaive attack on a size 3 unit with only 10 attack is not going to do much even at 1.5x speed. They also aren't going to catch up to anything even with the major water bless.

is enlarge the only spell that increases troops size/hp?

>>172908712
If you took N9 bless, summon Lamias. The summon death mages. Have these death mages cast soul vortex with the Lamia's on guard commander. This will give the death mages effectively infinite reinvig.

Then spam all the skellingtons.

>>172914450
Don't need N9 to do that

>>172914765
If you took N9 bless, recruit Ancient Stone Hurlers. Then get death mages. Then have death mages cast soul vortex with blessed Ancient Stone Hurlers on guard commander. This will give the death mages effectively infinite reinvig without having to research all the way up to conj 6.

Then spam all the skellingtons.

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>ElfingAround: Inactive game will be removed in 1 week

I didn't want to join more than one game since I wasn't sure my schedule could handle multiple midgame turns in a single day. Could someone please either end this, or end me.

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Don't let the elves die Anon!

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

>>172917180
Elfs are for ____

>>172917293
Forcing to fight and die in your wars.

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>>172917293
F U N

ded

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>>172924490
not as ded as elfingaround

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>>172924682
You know nothing, boy.

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I'll miss this old guy.

F

>>172924682

No surprise people hate elves and hate playing elves, generally.

>>172926375
I'm SP shitter and noticed once going through my forces that I still had 1 guy from my starting army still alive in late year 5. He had been fighting all the time on front lines without much rest.

>>172927969
He should feel honored for being able to serve his god for such a long time.

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>>172924751
And this is a meme that has ascended over a meme. You can call it a Lukas meme.

>>172928750

Business as usual for Lukas

Actually I think Lukas may be responsible for the current domg situation. He single handedly killed dozens of games.

>>172846618
>See, regeneration costs 10 gems pre hammer for a living commander and there are a few ways of obtaining it (hydra skin armor, ring, spells etc). Reinvigoration is way harder to come by - feet slot, two misc items, a weak armor.
A lot of those ways to cast regen rely on a friend who can buff you. Many times SCs will be teleporting or flying places where you can't easily give them allies.

In that situation you have 4 reinvig items vs 2 regen items, and the reinvig items are generally a lot cheaper too.

Also, rainbow armor is amazing not weak. It gives decent amounts of both MR and reinvig in a slot which usually gives neither.

>>172929690

Sure but you can never have too much reinvigoration because of stuff like phoenix pyre.

Regen is cool and all but it doesn't really synergize with spells like reinvigoration does.

>>172929859
Most SCs don't get any benefit from more than one (or in a fair number of cases, zero) reinvigoration items.

Phoenix pyre is amazing, but most SCs can't cast it and there's few reasons to stack reinvigoration outside of it.

The majority of SCs want regeneration, and unlike reinvigoration there are few cases where more regen is not a significant benefit.

>>172930339

The easiest way to deal with a SC is either instant kill spells (neither helps against those) or fatigue spells/weapons. A simple axe of hate can kill an overgeared SC if it doesn't have enough reinvigoration.

Also good luck regenerating the crits you will get when fatigued out. Even a square of militias can do 40 dmg per turn to a knocked out titan.

>>172930603
Lets say you don't have access to instant kill spells and the SC always has mistform. How do you deal with it? It's the standard variety vine shield & brand guy.

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In today's episode of humiliation, my beautifully organized flaming arrows army gets ground into mince by an overgeared traitor queen renamed "Red Sonja".

I am switching some Brides from flare to sleep cloud, throwing some vine evocation Voices of Lion into the mix and I'm branching into thaumaturgy for the fire bond/prison spells.

But, apart from that, what the fuck do I do about these guys? Another one lost a fight with my pretender (lightning evocations), but he's my only guy with air and Red Sonja has some shock resistance anyway.

Any ideas?

>>172931982
Mistform is countered by a single damaging magic attack like lightning bolt. Some nations have magic weapons on their troops as well.

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>>172932085
>3 lich queens

>>172931982
Also no fatigue spells, asking for a friend

>>172932169
Which paths does your friend have?

>>172930603
Both are good ways to deal with a SC, but neither are regularly used unless the army is expecting a SC. Anti-army spells, elite troops, or off-script spells are far more likely threats, and regen helps against most of those.

Ignoring save-or-die spells because, as you said, neither reinvig nor regen will help most SCs against it. (though reinvig stacking with phoenix power is a very good counter if you can use it)

There is no amount of reinvig sufficient to counter an axe of hate. You cannot get 20 reinvigoration without heavy use of artifacts, and it is likely an axe of hate counter-SC will be quickened for 40 fatigue per turn.

An axe of hate strategy can, however, fail if the enemy simply lacks the damage to punch through the SC's regen, which gets a lot more likely with higher regen values. I've seen tarts winning battles multiple times simply by sitting there while paralyzed or fatigued out and regenerating through everything the enemy dished out anyway because they are just that tough.

>Also good luck regenerating the crits you will get when fatigued out. Even a square of militias can do 40 dmg per turn to a knocked out titan.
If you're not using a vine shield, you've made a pretty poor SC. If you have a vine shield, all but the most elite troops will spend the majority of their time sitting around doing nothing, which reduces their damage considerably.

What protection did that titan have? I find it hard to believe that militia, even with crits on every attack, managed to get 40 damage per turn off on a titan with decent armor.

>>172931982
Countering SCs is usually very specific to the SC as you need to find a gap in their formidable defenses.

Could you elaborate on what specifically you're facing? That sounds like an elf thug, not a SC, and there are many ways to deal with elf thugs.

>>172932167
Lion Queens, for flaming arrows and evocation spam.

>>172927969
I've noticed this has happened in some of my MP games too. For example, I tend to expand with Centaur Cataphracts as LA Pangaea and I had a bunch of them alive from turn 1-3 recruitment by the end of a game I won.

Is there a list to see how much a province defence is from rough estimates like "seems quite well organized"?
Asking for a friend.

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>it's another "/domg/ let's bats win"-episode

>>172935331
Seems quite well organised is 6+, I think very well organised is 20+.

>>172936051
Thanks.

>>172935864

Bats are very very strong and hard to counter so its no wonder

>>172932284

Fire evo spam? Why not have more skeles or bane fire?

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>>172926375
like tears in the rain

>>172932207
death and sometimes nature
>>172932281
Yes, elf thugs.

>>172942227
Skelespam is your friend. If it's frost brand, you literally won. If it's fire brand, you can cast shadowbolts/bolts of unlife to break mistform and let skellies finish the job. You can also craft bows of botulf to permanently make a thug useless while he's engaged with skellies.

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i vote to kill ThatGuy first

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>>172944362
>Those spelling mistakes

>>172942227

t. C'tis

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>>172944362

Why is there no /v/anheim discussion for MAdman? Anyway I joined as Asphodel, in case the game ever starts.

>>172947326

Game is ded mate, ded

>>172945519
Asphodel, I'm in a private game with three other people. I'm allied with yomi and am figthing an elf alliance of Ys and TNN. Yes I know, I'm fucked
>>172942492
I'll try that.

How to fix the black screen when alt tabbing the game?

>>172949585
Play in windowed mode.

What's the most OP faction and era? I want to cheese the AI.

>>172950357
MA Ermor.

>>172941401
I probably should, I've hesitated from skeles due to the boudas slowing down my dominion spread, which sucks for my meme immortal pretender.

>>172950402
thanks m8

>>172950892
Consider playing a real nation at least several times before you play MP though. Ermor teaches a lot of bad habits.

>>172951015
>Ermor teaches a lot of bad habits.

Like playing Ermor.

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>>172951073
Like winning easily.

>>172951015
I've played as most of the 'real' nations, I just wanted to see if there were any spicy meme ones I was missing

>>172950357
>>172951917
Also EA Xibalba and LA Ragha

So any tips and tricks for EA Hinnom? Like what are their strengths and weaknesses? What startegies should i use and what strats could counter me? What nations should I eat and what nations should I avoid and why? Thanks guys.

>>172952025
Placed it in my notepad of cheese nations, thanks lad

>>172952508
As far as I've been led to believe, their strengths are chariots and easy access to thug/SC chassis'.

Their weaknesses are everything else. They can't even bloodhunt effectively. If you see a Grigori in a game, something has gone horribly wrong.

>>172952801
Well, horribly wrong for everyone else. If you have Grigori, you're doing very well.

>>172952915
If you have Grigori, you wasted your wish :^)

>>172952508
Beware the hungry hungry rephaits or they'll ruin YOU.

>>172952915
I didn't even see a Grigori in the one game Hinnom won where I was present.

Also I'm fairly sure all three recorded wins on that nation are due to the player being a diplomonster.

>>172953043
>diplomancer
ftfy

>>172953152
One of them was Malakal, so I think monster fits.

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How fucked will I be if I use this?

>>172954010
Too unfucked. Drop all scales to minimum but keep Luck 3 Magic 3. If you're going for a heavy bless go with majors (like D9B9N9 on a dormant or imprisoned demilich). If you're going for a rainbow make an awake or dormant lich queen with paths you need.

>>172953043
In summod rephaites all have blood sacrifice and blood searcher.
You use the white robed ones to blood hunt, Ba'als and Melqart go in waste forts with low pop.
They don't starve, you have to separate your ba'als and melqarts unless you want +1 blood melqarts.

Don't even bother with armies, they're shit, you only need a few units for expansion.
Then shit out melqart and ba'als, summod also makes melqarts recruitable outside of cap.
Grigori being blood 9 is a bitch and fucking retarded because you will probably win the game by then, but if you are lucky with indie sages and what not then its very possible.
160+ blood slaves is easy as hell to get in EA.
Many players are blood retarded so many players think its hard.

>>172954174
Also, I recommend dom8 minimum for skelly generation. I won with dom6 rainbow, but players were total scrubs, so that's not an excuse.

>>172954242
Yup you don't even need more than a few blood hunters to get third of that in one turn.

>>172954242
How do I be not blood retarded?

How can I use a Huli Jing ?

>>172953226

I got gang banged that game tho so it definitely wasnt a win thanks t my diplo skills.

>>172955229
Use them for hug

>>172955229
Buy black hearts from a blood nation.

Now you have assassins who can cast charm, which is fuckhueg.

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It's true that what's left of your cap income is proportional to the amount of losses I took.

You might think you are some big shot memer but matter of fact is your bane venom strat did fuckall to my commanders since I got a healer from a lucky event. You would have dealt more damage if you had just raided me.

I rate your memes 3/10 better luck next time, Trippical.

>>172955043
Blood hunting is so simple.

You get blood hunter, 2 path is best.
Blood hunt in 5000+ it really only has to be 5500 around to be effective.
You patrol with the cheapest commanders and cheapest units.
If you have reanimation your reanimate while you blood hunt, then summon mound kings to patrol with the undead if you want.

Eventually make blood finding sticks.
Rule of thumb.
5000 pop one 2 level blood searcher.
7000+ pop 2-3 level 2s.
9000+ go crazy

The minute you see unrest increase you need more troops patrolling.
For scales, some blood nations get more blood when in turmoil or with unrest so take turmoil scales and luck.

I usually always take turmoil+ luck, you get more events if they are off rare and usually pretty good.

Growth is a must but you don't need much just one growth will offset much of it, later you can cast blood fecundality to increase growth further and 30 blood slaves keeps it going for 2 years.

>>172955713
If you are playing Lanka, blood hunt is 2nd most important right after expansion.
I would argue its as important for them as it would Mictlan.
Learn Blood 3 and conj 2.
Those are your priorities everything after is up to you.

Blood hunt immediately after turn 2, your beginning army is trash patrol with it instead.
Send a priest with your demon troops which if properly blessed will only need 4-5.

Take two blood 1 80 priests to every province over 5000 pop. Blood hunt with one reanimate with the other.
Build patrol monkeys in any nearby forests, the small monkeys are good patrollers and cheap.
They also fuck up elves surprisingly well when they try to rush you.

By the end of year one you will have hundreds of blood slaves and every dead person in your nations from patrolling will be replaced with a soulless.

Summon elites with blood use souless to tire everything down.
Crossbreed when some nig finally figures out banish spam.
Laugh.

>>172955229

>touch fluffy tail

can you stack dragon master ?

>>172957441
tried, you can't. would have been lovingly overpowered. oh well.

>>172957441
Yes.
I'm not sure if you can stack it multiple times from the spell but you can add more with items

>>172958416
> would have been lovingly overpowered. oh well.

why? dragons are shit, even with a huge bonus they wouldn't be worth it.

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How you like my pretender /domg/

>>172958957
Looks like the pretender I took in that all sacred game.

>>172958957
I wouldn't use it. I understand the rationale behind it, but it's just suboptimal for monkeys.

>>172958889
Anon. If it stacked with the spell, I could have ended up with a caster that could summon like 26 wyverns for 5 gems per turn after a year.

It's midgame, I have a surplus of nature gems as Kailasa, I'm up to Conjuration 5, what do I spend them on?

>>172959142
How monkey troop line is shit, you will be depending on blood summons all of which is sacred.
Research is not really a priority for them, storm, thunder strike, ganas and important blood are all low on the ladder.
The MR helps more then it hurts you re-invig when communions are tired.
Death is countered with blood fecundity which several mages can cast.

Out of all the pretenders I've taken this gets me the most reliable results.

>>172959534
Yeah, that drain 3 will surely help your cheap mages reach high research levels.

>>172958957
Drop the death bless for better scales?

>>172959820
But then it wouldn't be tribless :^)
>>172959590
The cheap mages are for blood hunting tho?
Lanka isn't research based anyway, you need conj 2, evocation 4-5, and then the rest in blood, you'll get to blood 9 eventually.

>>172959281
But only after investing 100+ N gems into Dragon Mastery and, like I said, Wyverns are pretty shit.

>>172961723
how are wyverns shit ?

>>172962393
I guess they're around the same level as Vine Ogres actually, passable evo catchers if you need an A gem dump instead of an N gem dump.

>>172959372
As diplomacy leverages. Or wolves if you have no imagination.

>>172962896
you can script them (meaning you can buff them before they attack), they're flying, have 35HP. if you could summon even 10+ a turn with only one caster they'd be more than viable methinks

>>172959372
25 gems for W3+ and E3+ mages is a pretty good deal even if you can recruit them from your cap

>>172962896
Hell no they are not comparable to Vine Ogres. Vine Ogres don't exert themselves by flying in battle, are lifeless, amphibious, won't rout and have resistances that make them great chaff and useful for gimmick strats.

Wyverns wouldn't be this good even if they were as easy to summon.

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what do I do against it?
I am thinking about bane lord wielding 2 duskdaggers and quicknes shoes
What else can I do?

>>172969952

smashers

Frozen Heart spam, Shatter, Shock damage

>>172970561
intended for >>172969952

Is the shadow brand good?

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>>172970490
>>172970561
>>172970714
nice, nice
thanks
what about this pic related?
I want to take control of it
is S9 enough?

>>172970907
More AOE but weaker dmg than the other brands also more expensive.

If you are shitting death gems then it's a good alternative.

>>172971143
Does Enslave Mind even work on mindless enemies?

Also, remember that when you take control, it becomes a unit and loses all it's items. You will have to GoR it to use it as a mage.

>>172971504
You will have to Divine Nae it to use it as a mage*

>>172971504
Banes and their default baneblades are magical right? They can fuck up mistform?

>>172971504
>Does Enslave Mind even work on mindless enemies?
it is also magic being, so control spell I hope.
It deserves to stay a little bitch, my pet slave
mwahahaha

Does poison stack? I was wondering if using a few serpent fiends as a solution to high protection pretenders would work. Thanks.

What's a good way to kill an Omar?

>>172972843

its all in the game yo

>>172972843
water elementals

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MasterTheCircle
Hoping for at least 9

If immortal "dies" does he keep his items?
Also can I "cure" blindness with eye items?

>>172977337
it depends
"it depends"
it depends

No for the first question, and for the second one I'll remind you that when you equip eyes they take the eyes out, so if you equip two items your guy is literally blind. So technically if you equip 2 eyes to a blind guy you arent getting the malus of eye items but you get the bonus (also eye of aiming gives you precision). But no, you can't cure blindness' malus with magical eyes.

>>172977934
Ty for the answers. Does this mean that if I equip eye of the precision on blind guy I would have -1 prec (eye of precision gives +8prec while blindeness is -9), -9attack and -9 defense

>>172967687
>exert themselves by flying in battle.

I mean, they take fatigue from many things (natural enc value, being cold blooded) but where did the meme that flying costs fatigue come from?

>>172978492
Yes, I think so.

It's been two years since Illwinter talked about a rework of water nations and asian water nations.

Instead we got Conquest of Elysium 4, Illwinter floorplan generator and Therodos was hit on the head during its birth.

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is this fucked up enough?

>>172981512

Its a shitty supaya bless honestly.

>>172981145
>Implying we didn't also get redheaded lesbian elves taking a bath

>>172974375
>>172975892
What if it has 20% regeneration at a rate of 75 hp per round?

>>172984047
quickened, high strength thugs with dual duskdaggers

or more water elementals

>>172984229
Why not both, quickened, strength buffed water elemental commander with dual dusk daggers

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Should I be worried? I feel like I should be.

This probably gets asked all the time but has anyone had success playing a pirated version over VPN?

Buying it isnt really an option for me right now and even if it was the asking price is about 4 times what I'd consider reasonable

>>172981145

I think the Dragon Kings nation had only been hinted, not stated to be 100% going to happen.

I'm more worried about the lack of Uruk and Rus after so much time...

>>172986474
Dominions 5

>>172976278
There's currently 4 entries, since Elenrus is a placeholder

>>172984820
yo, the price is reasonable. The game is way deeper, funner, and worth it than you think
That said I've been in your situation - I think there was a cracked build at some point (when Coe4 was hacked too I think, maybe some anon has a link)
>>172987430
Is Elenrus OP ?

>>172987684
Ethereal 8 atk/square mounted units (8 atk on the charge, 6 atk/square afterward). These attacks do passable damage, and unlike other ethereal sacreds they come with prot too.

>>172988648
Sounds scary. Literally uncounterable until Conj1.

>>172989030
People keep saying that, but when I see it actually occur in a game it turns out that no, tangle vines is not enough.

Because guess what, they have mages too. And because they have more research that you from not needing their mages in the field to literally survive, they have a lot more than conj1.

>>172987684
>the price is reasonable

if you say so...

and yeah I think I remember when CoE4 was hacked because I do have a cracked build of 4.04 that works in singleplayer at the very least

>>172989319
>they have mages too
No, they don't. Their sacreds cost 100g a piece and need priests to bless them.

Tangle Vines and Earth Meld absolutely destroy those cat riders if they attempt a rush. And later on ethereality isn't scary anymore - a 14hp 9prot unit dies to pretty much any spell that deals damage. Or elementals. Or flaming arrows. Or any shitty, much cheaper unit with a magic weapon.

>>172935864
I should play bats one of these days.

Just to prove to /domg/ that they can be beaten.

>>172990818
I'm never going to play bats, birds or elves, because those are for literal scrublords.
I'll rather git gud and win with an honest nation.

>When you watch your major battle that determines if you'll remain a trash nation or have a competing chance to win and you grind out a 50 turn route with minimal losses that sets you up to pop the fort but then see the battle report where half your mages and troops are dead and that you've retreated scattered off their capitol.

>>172994912
post buttle rapport

>>172994912
Aw shit this actually reminds me that I didn't create a backup plan for in case gem spending didn't trigger.

Trying to mix Abysians and indie mages is suffering.

>>172994689
Depends, in order to win with Eriu you need to git gud.

But they're like the shitty chinese (irish) knockoff elves.

>>172995329
Seconding this. Also what game?

Are celestial hounds for EA TC any good?

They have great stats and are flying, but seemingly the only people who can recruit them are the masters, who I would rather have in battles or summoning demons of heavenly waters/fires. They just cost a ton of air gems that could be used for other things for how many you get / turn

>>172997764
They're decently statted. The flying on them opens up options with raiding or hitting the back in battles.

>>172997764
They'd be good units if they didn't cost air gems. You will never have enough air gems as TC

>>172992361
Is it the april fool's joke?

>>172997764
They are good but I never managed to get enough air gems. I usually skip them over the next summons

>>172999784
>>172999870
>>173002001

Thanks. TC is fun, but without heavy gem income, I really can't see how to make them work. Everything costs so god damn much.

>>173003283
Supersacreds and wide path access in the era of many gems means that you can overexpand and then search your lands for a variety of gems, which then gives you a lot to use. Your mages out of cap suck, but your mages from your cap are good. You can make an early game push with spooky spam, depending on your bless, and if you can kill someone early then you have even more gems to spend (both on sacreds and things that let you transition out of human-only armies, like Golems and troll kings).

>>173003797
Your Wushus can carry you in a lot of situations.

>>173004049
Meant to quote >>173003283

>>173004049
While on the subject, what chassis gets F9W9 the easiest? That's what I hear recommended for TC, anyway.

>>173005151
A guy wrecked my shit super hard with D9W9 once. Plus it gives them and your ancestors a little health boost.

>>173003797
>>173004049
>>173005151
>>173005301

I went W9S4 in a game against friends and have done well in expansion. Had the cap mages sitesearch 18 provs after the first year and found 4 sites in a game with normal sites.

I'm pretty sure this is just heavy bad luck. Been mostly negotiating with others for gems with gold.

Non meme game when

>>173007920
theres already one that exists, you gotta join fast anon

>>173007920
MAdman has no memes

>>173008718
i think you should look again, it uses summod

>>173009171
>summod
>meme
I bet you think crossbows aren't OP

>>172955713

what the fuck did i just read.

No, do not bloodhunt with level 2s. Get the dowsing rod, and hunt with b1s with rods. Effectively b2s that aren't better served in combat.

No, do not bloodhunt your super populous provinces, since those are probably give you your best income. Hunt 5000+ provinces with low income, such as mountains.

Mound kings are alright, but wolves are so much cheaper, better, easier and use nature gems versus death gems.

No, do not go turmoil if you plan on bloodhunting, unless you're lanka. Bloodhunting increases unrest, which reduces both income and the chance of finding blood slaves. Order decreases unrest without killing pop, as well as providing you more income.

No,do not take growth 1, take growth 3. Blood fecundity isn't a good enough justification to miss out on a bunch of income early game until you get enough slaves + research + b2n2. I think the only time i'd recommend that strat is if you are playing the memest mictlan.

No do not use your beginning army to just patrol shit. Never patrol with anything with upkeep if you can avoid it. Use those fucking monkeys to screen or as arrow lures.

No, do not use b1 priests to reanimate, get some indy priests to do that shit.

No, crossbreed is pretty niche, and definitely isn't viable for raising a useful army.

>>173009637
What do you do as TurmoilPan?

>>173010372

I'd urge against it. Maenads are cool and everything, but pan REALLY REALLY needs the money. Pans are awesome, and not cheap, and White Centaurs are fantastic and not cheap.

Blood is also pretty sideline for Pangaea since only the pans get it, and even if they're recruit everywhere, they're stupid expensive blood hunters and maenads take a malus to patrolling.

Take at least O1. You'll still get maenads in gross amounts since you'll want tons of pans, and still get some unrest reduction.

What's an effective counter to Air Elementals?

So far the only really reliable way I'm seeing off the top of my head is a brand wielding Size 6 thug with shock resistance. But I can't think of any non national size 6 chassis that would fit the bill.

Can you cast Storm inside a cave? Nothing says you can't, but it also seems retarded you can.

>>173012114
fire elemental

>>173012114
more air elementals than them

>>173012168
Could be a really tall cave with an atmosphere. With all the crazy shit that can happen in this world why not?

>>173009637
Order is false economy for bloodhunting. Order provides two benefits: Gold increase and unrest reduction. It provides a swing of 6 from turmoil 3 in unrest reduction. That's pretty minimal in terms of poploss from bloodhunting, and requires only a few more patrolers.

As for gold - for every province you bloodhunt, you're not getting that extra gold, and its wasted.