/edg/scg/ Star Citizen Elite: Dangerous general #147

>4/6/2017
what did he mean by this?

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>>172626212
They're probably hyping up another sale with some in-fiction bullshit.

>drake announce a new space bike
>$90 LTI token
>thanks for buying, stay tuned for more updates from around the verse
o7

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>>172626302
They already announced at least one more space bike but I don't think it's made by Drake.

>>172626212
>what did they mean by this

pic related

>>172626567
Still don't know what im looking at.Is it the new hornet f7a or just UI upgrade for f7c.

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>>172627437
I think it's the new F7A.

>>172626567
>one more space bike but I don't think it's made by Drake
Why wouldn't they make a bike? I bet it's legit.

>tfw no cruiser motorbike

>>172626212
It mentions the Terra Gazette TAKE DOWN, Terra Gazette is one of the Lore fiction things so it'll probably be about the change in Cutlass design.

>>172626567
The new space bike will be either MISC, RSI or Origin. I am leaning towards Origin because it might be attached to the 600 series ships. Although RSI is short some ships so they might be used for a more generic one. MISC I only think would have one for the Drake MISC rivalry.

>>172628720
Drake already makes a space bike the Dragonfly so it'll be a new manufacturer.

>>172626212
That the next ATV episode is about the Cutlass.

Up

PTU is now public.

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Star Citizen will have skintight bodysuits right? RIGHT?

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>>172633279
What we've seen so far doesn't look particularly great.

>>172633409
That's a marine armor, though, we've yet to see the flight suits

>>172633409
I want to see non lesbian hair cuts.

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>>172633409
Female explorers suit

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>>172633936
Got some bad news for you on that count.
The reality of helmet seals and practicality of long hair in a working environment means its gonna be dyke hair all day erry day. Have long hair is gonna be like a mark of someone who either never flies or is wealthy enough to fly with enough protection in a large enough vessel to not worry about having to wear a vac suit.

Jokes on you though, I have a tomboy fetish and love chicks with short hair.

>>172634236
Thats still an armored Hazardous Environment suit

In particular Im thinking two things, one being the Class 1 vac suit, the "don't die if you lose atmo" bag. The other being extremely slimline/minimalistic body armor suitable for wear UNDER street clothes while doing whatever planetside where you might still encounter a gunfight but dont want to draw attention wandering around looking like Master Chief.

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>>172634282
>tomboy fetish

>>172634573
It's not gay if her dick is feminine.

So, we are 5 patches into this PTU and they still don't have megamap for the PU. I guess that basically confirms that there is another minor patch coming.

Are we going to see 3.0 this year?

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>>172635053
HUE.

>>172634573
No.

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>>172635305

>>172635417
I think you're projecting. Liking women with short hair is a matter of taste, being unable to see the difference between a woman with short hair and a young man is a matter of perception. You see them as the same because in your mind they are both attractive.

>>172635797
To each his own. If you think >>172635305 is attractive, then you like masculine features. I think that picture looks like a boy. Seeing a female form with short hair is much different than liking dyke looking boys.

>>172636025
wait, are you that weebposter who kept posting anime characters and JRPG shit years back as example of what SC females should look like?

>>172636204
no, i don't post anime. i don't give a fuck what the females look like, I'm looking at the dash of my ship.

Average ED player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7X_7jZLByQ

>>172635219
Probably be a 2.7 patch where they test PG with the 3 moons around Crusader. Now if they were sensible they'd announce it to backers that way "Hey guys we've done a lot with the PG tech but before rolling out 3.0 we want to do a small interim patch with the 3 moons. If the servers are stable and nothing blows up we'll look to roll out 3.0 soon after"

Yeah you'd get people bitching about no 3.0 but not nearly as much if they leave it to the last minute again.

>>172637386
I really don't give a fuck about landing on a moon like in ED with nothing to do.

They need to finish cargo or fucking something with it, the PU is bullshit.

The devs are asking people to sign on to the PTU and play for the next 4 hours, but they are only playing SM. I hate that they only care about that shit tier fps and said fuck off to AC and the PU.

>>172637818
Yeah, I'll never understand why SM and even AC are even a thing.

The PU and SQ42 should be the only focuses they have

>>172637643
I'm torn on it, it'd be nice to see PG tech in Cryengine oh sorry Lumberyard lul. But also it would make a lot more sense to test it on something like that before launching into 3.0 Stanton system and having some easily tested features of PG tech suddenly become the focal point instead of the achievement.

but yeah cargo and mining need to come online.

>>172637940
AC was promised in 2013 as the dogfighting module which turned into AC in 2014 and SM was promised in 2015 and we all know how that turned out. However the mechanics from those 2 game modes being easier to spawn into was more beneficial than using the PU since traveling from Port Olly to Kareah just to get into a fight was too annoying.

>>172637940
SM is just a feature to make the game have replay value. I find it difficult to believe it serves any purpose beyond a few bug passes before it has to be tested in the PU for any further progress to be made anyway.

>>172638150
I just want the megamap on the fucking PU, which is what I thought was the case for 2.6.2 up until I saw the patch notes. They wrote it like they left themselves an out in the 2.6.2 main notes in case they figured it out, but 5 patches later and the reference to the PU is gone from the notes.

AC and SM exist as the games Esports portals for MLG fags who like combat but don't like risk.
Also as a way to git gud without the risk of gitting ded in universe and as a timekiller minigame on long trips, the whole "simpod" idea is to ahve those installed on the decks of big enough ships and be playable in flight. Megamap will actually make this easy to do.

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Fresh leak.

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>>172639070
"BAH GAHD! VAN VADER JUST SUPLEXED THAT SHIP THROUGH THE MOON OF TRIKOR VII! GOD IS MY WITNESS IT'S BROKEN IN HALF!!"

>>172638884
>Esports
The next dot com bubble.

>>172639070
Is that paki still a mod in r/starcitizen?

Is there a heat generation simulator/calculator for E:D? I want to engineer a ship, g5 dirtys and more, but I'm afraid of having heat issues after the investment.

Do you just gotta hope it works out or is there a way to predict how much heat you'll normally operating under?

>>172639630
>Next

>shield booster and hull hardness changes will not be in 2.3
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/340389-2-3-Shield-Booster-and-Ship-Armour-Changes-Feedback-Thread-Pt-3

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Who /skeptic/ here? The more AtV episodes I see, the longer I think this shit is going to take. Like another 3 years at least. I just don't know how many more of you autists I can argue with before completely losing interest.

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YAY

I guess...

RIP Quince.

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>>172643768
So two weeks to make some creds.

>>172643726
me. and ive spend over 3k on this game
they show the same shit on every atv. im bored of seeing the same rocky moon and modular station.
last weeks javeline and reclaimer sneak peek was ok but feels too like too little

>>172643768

>that fucking art

Why does that remind me of Battleborn?

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>>172626567
>Designed so you can see all your cockpit elements
>As long as you're not looking where you're going

This is the view you get when looking at your vector.

fucking terrible

>>172644035
COMMANDOS N SHIET

>>172644165
>ive spend over 3k on this game
Join KWA and let them steal your ships.

>>172641991
You fucking wot

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>>172644950
I've always thought the UI/HUD/cockpit stuff was bad. It's partly why I got rid of my SuperHornet and upgraded to a Sabre, the slight increase in firepower also helped.

>>172644323
Battleborn still has more players that CQC, though.

>>172644950
>CIG in charge of HUD design
How do they keep fucking up the same things over and over again?

/ss/ - straight spacesims when?
Evochron, IW, and other various games are too small for their own threads and these threads are dying too

>>172647043
We should appropriate the name of dead space general.

Any chance of Saitek HOTAS getting cheap now that MadCatz is bankrupt and shutting down?

>>172647268
Now just owned by Logitech who aren't honoring the returns policy, so you'd have to be insane to touch Saitek stuff

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We wont get meaningful height sliders, this is all but certain, but I'm wondering if were gonna be getting sliders at all. So far the modeling their doing seems to be very focused on "the model" and not a word about variations. like, what If we end up getting stuck with either male or female, paint bucket, and that face blender thing. It just seems like it would be a massive letdown and a heinous miscarriage of "fidelity" but I can totally see it happening.

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>>172647043
>>172647191
Fucking no.
No merging, fuck all those other games. thread is diluted as it is, we don't need like 4 other conversation making it unintelligible. SC and E:D are similar games with similar mechanics from similar developers, a largely shared playerbase from the exact same period of time, and even with all those intersections we annoy each other and out conversation are both segregated and completely incompatible. Adding yet more titles will make the general tick faster but thats it, and it will cause even more disjointed non-conversation and shitposting than there already is, all the general needs to be is alive.

Also Star Citizen is not dead, fuck you, It's in development still. E:D is dead because of dev incompetence, SC hasn't been born yet because of developer incompetence.

What do you think is the biggest engine you could possibly put on an Avenger? I think you might be able to convert most of the cargo bay into one of the smaller TR6 engines and an expanded powerplant and heatsinks to run it, then use the bed area and whatever is left of the cargo bay to carry high value cargo and VIPs.

>>172648434
TR4.

Not that it matters because thrust:weight is handwaved entirely

>>172648434
At this point nobody even knows what the TR designations/sizes mean because they changed everything like half a dozen times and never bothered to explain it properly.

>>172648995
Engine / Component / Weapon size systems are different, and they've all been explained m8

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>>172643768

>>172649450
Weapon and component sizes, yes. But even component sizes are kinda wonky, with them saying that there are 'small/medium/large/capital' components, but the specs on the website aren't reflecting that properly.
Thruster size ratings so far seem completely arbitrary. Looking at the game files, there are size 1 to 10 thrusters, but the sizing isn't consistent. Somehow the Caterpillar main thrusters are S3, but so are the Hornet and 300 series. Freelancer main thrusters are S2, same as the Gladius or Aurora.

>>172650102
The specs page has never been right and they never update it properly. Its never reflected changes to the system, and often isn't even right on basic shit.

TR is thrust rating, not a size, so the assumption is you can have a tiny TR4 but it'll be horribly inefficient, or a larger TR2 and have long legs.

>>172650304
The TR system has been removed from everywhere, except the holoviewer. I chalk that up to Turbulent being incompetent again, because even there they call it "Max size TR2" for example.
As of this point, there is only the arbitrary thruster sizing system, see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k66yHsb2-bPn6kFrzeG4o_E7U9eMbXST1rhoUUl-xaE/edit#gid=1232096432

>>172651041
I have been outspreadsheeted

yeah they're clearly going to have to clarify that, and I'll assume it'll come when we can actually swap shit out again

>>172651193
I'm kind of confused as to how they're going to make that work. In one of the recent videos about flight balance they mentioned that in the past they used to define a thrust value on every axis etc. for every single thruster on a ship, but that got too complicated and they switched to another system. Currently they're just punching in numbers for speed/jerk/turn rates/time to max speed and the system then makes the thrusters however powerful they need to be to meet those performance goals.
To combine that with the ability to switch components they'd need to manually define ship speeds for every possible combination of thruster types on every ship, which seems like a pain.

Hup

Post new cutlass

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>>172658786

>>172645005
What is KWA?

>>172659801
STOP

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>>172645005
>>172659801
An org ran by a literal cuck who sucks muslim cock.

>>172652021
I imagine they're doing a hybrid between punching in numbers and dynamically calculating thrust, programming a curve of how fast a ship can move with a given amount of thrust on a certain axis, so that it looks like a graph.

>>172625840
As someone that doesn't keep up with Star Citizen as much as I'd like, haven't checked it out for about 6months.

Have they implemented any cool features yet? Is cargo/transport/jobs etc in yet? Planetary landings?

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>>172659801
Kawaii With Attitude, it's a bunch of homosexual anime fans who talk about how liking trannies isn't gay, in discord. The premise of the org is stealing "whale" ships from people who invest a lot in the game. Their theme is nazi anime shitposting.

Except it's rather liberal, and the nazi thing doesn't make sense.

>>172660994
I don't even know what to feel about the fact that I honestly do not give a shit anymore

These small incremental patches bringing nothing to the game are cancerous

>>172658786
>>172658873
Any news on when we're getting this?

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>>172660872
Will we be able to throw commies out of airlocks? Are there even any communistic factions in the game?

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>>172661740
The room pressurization mechanic should be in 3.0, so you can eject people that way.

Why does FDev like flying triangles so much?

>>172663214
aerodynamics in space!

>>172663214
Why does cig like jet planes as drawn by an 8 year old so much?

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>>172663214

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>>172665334
>>172663214
Both are bad, REAL men like space warships that look like tin cans with radiators.

>new dank thruster sounds in ATV
please for the love of jesus christ rework the weapon sounds

>>172663214
I bet you haven't ever seen a floppy disk in your life.

>>172667101
Sure I have. They look like big plastic save icons.

https://ptu.cloudimperiumgames.com/comm-link//15793-Star-Citizen-Alpha-262f

>>172668357
>We're all the way to F already

>>172668430
Eh, 2.6.0 went to like L.

>>172668643
Let's talk about the next version number. What Chris is going to decide which is going to be release after 2.6.2f? I would say 2.6.3a or is it too early for such massive jump?

Anyway my wife wasn't that happy when I announced I spent my spring bonus money for new ships. I like to invest for grandiose ships and wait until they release the final game. They will skyrocket in value. I have a catalogue all the way from the initial kickstarter campaign.

>>172668357
literally what is the point? Burn another 20GB of data for the same exact experience? What is this patch supposed to do?

>>172670710
this
haven't bothered since PU initially came out; waiting for 3.0

>>172665973
>>172667101
Ah, so nostalgic perpetuation of and era in which the technology called for simpler designs or something like that? I wasn't necessarily knocking the designs, but I just thought it was kinda funny that ~80% of the ships are variations of the one shape.

>>172671039
Gotta fit through the mail slot, yo.

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>>172665990
>pewpewpew

>>172671695

Is this supposed to be a flying box? I thought the whole "struts" thing was just a meme but holy shit, is this the final design?

>>172675258
Its real. They could at least be assed to make the struts thinner.

>>172671039
the entire game is nostalgic perpetuation of an era

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>>172671695
Why are they so bad at their own game?

Is Dual Joystick a meme? I have a T1600M and Im not sure whether to buy another one or a throttle.

>>172662584
Can we shoot a man before throwing him out of an airlock?

>>172676084
This is pretty common among game designers

>>172677095
Modern game designers.

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>>172677016
god damn it I hope so.

>>172677213
look up john carmack and deathmatchs

>>172670710
They haven't learned how to actually make a deployable patch but insist people download bulk of the files again. What a sorry bunch of losers.

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>>172678553
>What a sorry bunch of losers.
Says the transfuckboi posting on 4chan. Time to take your whoremoan pills, Zer, you're getting trigger too easily.

>>172678971
What the fuck are you talking about? You seem very confused.

Has there been any news of Squadron 42 in the past few months?

>>172679950
"we're workin on it"

>>172679950
last AtV vertical slice soon tm

>>172677016
>>172677215
His body should persist the same as if he was waiting for rescue. As long as you don't chop his head off or explode him or something like that, then you should be able to move him like any other item in the game, cargo, guns, things having to do with mess halls and meals, etc.

I'm going with a very confident plausible here. It seems like they would have to make a game feature to prevent you from doing just that.

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>>172677016

>>172678184
Everyone knows John Romero was the one with game skill. Carmack was a dork who did all the havy programming while Romero was all up in Stevie Nicks.

Are there cargo missions in SC yet?

>>172682241
just your own disappointment and failed expectations. as always

>>172634282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7iMv2GXHI

astronauts NOW can have long hair in space. Why can't they 900 years in the future?

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>>172682168
Romero was a wannabe vidya game rockstar filled with batshit thematic ideas.
Carmack was a nerdy programmer with an autistic genius mind for memory addressing shortcuts.
Decent deathmatch was a mistake of programming (circle-strafe acceleration was an accidental byproduct).
Go figure.

>>172626212
What's happening on the 4th of june?

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>>172634282
I'm too gay to admit I am gay so I declare I have a fetish for chicks who look like guys.
>pic related

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15807-Star-Citizen-Alpha-262-Is-LIVE

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2.6.2 is LIVE

If you are in the recent PTU, you can just copy your folder.

>>172684815
>>172684885
>>172684998
Who bother, another patch will be out in a few hours and you'll have to download the whole fucking thing again.

>>172685113
Maybe, they are just trying to start the Drake sale so they can go for the weekend. This is probably it though.

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15805-Drake-Sale-The-2947-Lineup

>>172687701
fuckin forklift truck randomly on that raised platform with only stairs

>>172687701
Muh

>>172688007
The forklift obviously landed on the platform just like that Vanguard did.

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>>172688007
That's an elevator numbnuts. It drove on from the raised position above.

So if I upgrade from a 300i to a caterpillar, do I get the bigger hangar and the longer insurance or I stay with the small hangar?

>>172689153
fuck no dont do that
exchange your ship for store credit and buy a better game package and upgrade that
your insurance is the package you buy

>>172689139
The raised position is on top of the Javelin hull. I have difficulty believing that you could drive a forklift on there.

>>172689325
but the 300i bounty hunter package has squadron42

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https://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/17-2173/index.html

Finally, I can play SC on the go.

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>>172689465
ooh. you may be stuck. how much is your package worth? It will tell you if you click exchange. you have to use your password to actually melt it so you are safe to click it.

>>172689463
the gaps where the stairwells are in the lowered position are where it crosses in the raised position.

>>172689959
its 55$ so I guess I have to buy another package

anyone try trackIR in new patch yet?

I kinda want to use it again but it's such a pain in the ass to set up

>>172689515
wtf I actually want one
would be sick for SC my fellow citizen

>>172690027
You'll effectively lose $5 on it. Get the connie andromeda and upgrade it, since that's the best ship package you can have. SQ42 is an extra $15 on top of all that.

>>172690346
do I buy without VAT or the guberment gonna get me?

>>172690705
I don't know about that. No VAT for me.

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>>172689515
WHAT A BARGAIN

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>>172633279
I fucking hope

>>172644950
what are you basing this on
>>172645329
anon, that is literally an ms paint 5 second edit.

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>Fdev walks back on Big3 hull hardness changes and shield booster effectiveness falloff

if i ever had an iota of faith or hope for this game i do not remember it nor should i have held it

how 'bout dat 2.6.2 bois

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>>172660608
all planned for 3.0 there's videos of it in the op, but it's not yet public. we to have improved fps though, and a mode to do it in.

>>172692131
>tfw no canister rifles in game

>>172660994
>friday releases
why the fuck do they do this?

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>>172647482
They should have gone full Tiger Woods and just rolled with it. Ever play a Tiger Woods game? The character creator is insane, it puts Elder Scrolls to shame.

Maybe it's a Cry Engine problem, I don't remember what engine those Tiger Woods games used.

>>172689515
This makes no sense to want and I want it

>>172693619
>a simple sports video game in which a character mostly just stands and swings a golf club
versus
>a complex Space-FPS-Hybrid in which characters have to interact with the environment, with each other, have to fit in seats, etc
Do you see where I'm going here?

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>>172694114
I understand the difference and the complexity involved. But it's also been like 10 years since that character creator was out, on a console, with sliders.

>>172694527
And guess what, some things simply can't be solved easily. It's also been more than 10 years since I've actively modded for games, and some of the hacky modeling techniques from back in the day are still relevant today.

>>172647482
I guess if theres one thing that looks good in 2.3 for E:D is the Character Creator from what I've seen is pretty solid.

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>>172694704
>modeling techniques from back in the day are still relevant today.

Thank you for making my point.

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>>172694910

>>172695015
>your point
m8 you said they should have gone "full Tiger Woods" then proceeded saying it might be because of the CryEngine, you literally have no idea what you're talking about

>>172689515
>tfw the future of scifi foldout multi-panel screens on portable devices has become just a joke to people even though everyone wants it to happen

>>172695059
I feel like I'm just looking at the disabled man of the future and not the clipping error that this is actually is.

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>>172695059
The faces I mean but yeah

>>172695059
"My face is tired"

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>>172695103
>literally
Ugh, one of you. I said "maybe" it's a cry engine problem, I didn't say I knew for sure one way or another.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath, calm down, and go fuck yourself.

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>>172695263
>implying we need space legs where we're going

>>172695263
>have to be rooted to the spot to be on a spaceship with no legs
>the future is LESS wheelchair accessible than ever before
his face begs for death

>>172696016
"One more trip to Hutton"

>spend half an hour downloading update
>log in
>still can't fly most of my ships
>stuck using cutlass
>pyroburst cannon still sucks ass, takes like 10 point blank hits to blow up another ship.
>fly to asteroid belt and check out derelict starfarers
>killed by another player inside after 1 second long gun battle
>quit game

>Another fucking Cruise Liner slated for 2.3
Frontier please stop. Just give me the Panther Clipper already as the ultimate "fuck off" choice.

>>172697929
Another cruise liner? Christ.

>>172697773
Try the pyroburst in single player PS or VS. It works there and is very satisfying.

>>172697929
The panther clipper can be a cruise liner for 2000 tonnes of slaves.

>>172697929
>>172698060

They can't stop yet. The Dolphin is Small but both Orca and Beluga are Large. They still need to release at least one Medium cruise liner.

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>>172697773

>only half an hour

y-yeah... heh... they t-take a while huh?

>>172697773
>log in
>game still isn't done
>quit game

Hello everyone,


We have identified the problem causing the Drake Buccaneer to be missing from accounts and have found a solution.

However, in order to implement this fix, we're going to have to suspend the live service for no more than 10 minutes at 2100 CDT / 0200 UTC.


For players encountering this problem, we recommend you perform the following steps before logging back into the game:

Completely close your game and launcher.
Delete your LoginData.json and USER Folder located in your "\Cloud Imperium Games\StarCitizen\Public\" directory.
Open the launcher and log back into the game!

We thank you for your patience as we were investigating this issue and hope everyone has a great weekend in Star Citizen Alpha 2.6.2!

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>>172699260
>log in
>remember it's been 5 years
>quit game

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>>172700454
Hello everyone,

We are incompetent and suck at our jobs.

Therefore we need you, the end user, to do work to use the product you paid for over 4 years ago.

For players encountering PTSD, we suggest you perform the following steps.

>Go fuck yourself
>Cry in a corner
>Contemplate suicide

Thanks for giving remiss to our gross incompetence.

>>172703730
>Bug popped up
>Immediately discovered the issue and have fixed it
Sounds pretty competent to me.

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>>172703730
>Hello 4chan

>We are mad as fuck that CIG continues to update their game and make money.

>Therefore we hope for you, the end user, to change your mind and debase the product you paid for over 4 years ago, and have continued to play and discuss since then loyally.

>For players encountering fun, we suggest you perform the following steps.

>reconsider whether the fun you had was 'real'
>spend time agonizing over whether you've gotten your money's worth yet from a pre-release product
>contemplate a refund to spend $10 instead on an SA account

>thank you for your complete lack of moderation as we are investigating better ways to infiltrate and sow pessimism among your ranks.

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>in bounty hunter conda
>distress call
>"threat 2"
>3 pirate anacondas
>powerplant ded in literally 3 secs

well there goes 17mill of unsufferable grind on quince
gg fdev

>>172708442

I think the reason that happens is because the game levels the threat to your rank and ship. So "threat 2" might be like a Cobra or two to someone who is new to the game, but it extrapolated that to 3 Condas to your bountyconda. Or something, who fucking knows.

How were you not able to run away? Did you try to high wake, or were they on top of you when you dropped into the signal?

>>172708442
WHY ARE YOU NOT THRILLED CMDR? YOU WERE JUST BLESSED WITH MORE GAMEPLAY!

>>172709001
typical 'give me your empty cargo' shenanigans
>high wake
and there's my mistake

still i don't even want to know what's on a threat 4 signal

>>172709637

Piracy should be non-existent in Elite. You get so little back for stolen goods that it isn't worth it. Those pirates are better off mining.

>>172709825
>>172709637

They're psychopathic griefer pirates, its not about profit, its about ruining your day.

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If you guys don't bump with content I'm just gonna buttpost about bodysuits and how much SC needs to have them. I'm a serial buttposter and feel no remorse about this whatsoever. I've been 3day'd for it repeatedly and keep re-offending.

>>172713218
I can get behind this post.

Anyone want a space autist to fly their SLF when 2.3 comes out?

>>172714609
for a whole 3-50% cut of bounty vouchers?

you'd do that?

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>>172714451
It's really too bad the Cosplayers never took note of PS2, probably just due to lack of con events.

You never see anything PS2 related anywhere and never really did.

>>172715403

The way they scaled it is so fucking stupid that it really makes me think that they don't play their own game at all. Even if I think it's a terrible idea, I can see where they're coming from with the whole scaling thing, but 3 fucking percent for a newbie? Fucking why? Why even have a payout for them at all? It should be 100% for people Dangerous and above, and it should only go down to 50% for Harmless, or maybe a bit lower, but single fucking digits?

Frontier should just come out and fucking say it: "We have absolutely no idea how to balance anything in our own game. Please excuse our incompetence and have a nice day."

>>172716412

Especially considering they could just wing up and follow you in a sidewinder, plink the target once before it dies and get 50%.

>>172717412

100%, anon. After the patch hits, wing bounties will no longer be split and will be replicated evenly across all members that contributed to the kill.

So, with this move, after 3 fucking years they have finally fixed Wings, but killed multicrew before it even hit the ground. Maybe in another 3 years we'll have multicrew members sharing bounties.

>>172692430
>what are you basing this on

By centering the forward direction/vector indicator in the middle of the screen, and using the same FOV around it.

Entirely possible that the teaser screenshot they took was at a weird angle, but I doubt it.

Quick! What's THE loadout for Buccy?

>>172720189
combine, bullet and your mouth

>>172720189

Doubleshot frag cannons.

>>172720189
There is no good loadout for that trash ship

>>172720826
Buttmad SH pilot detected. prepare to spend your life being out turned and shot in the ass.

>>172720929
>2 x S1s on wingtip
>2 x S3s underwing
>1 x S4 on top

3 sets of pips, one of which is totally useless and will never EVER line up to the rest. Feels like you're flying in a box.

T R A S H

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>targeting pips are offset
>missiles cannot hit their target
>weapon groups don't work

As if I didn't need more of a reason to avoid this game until 3.0.

>>172721103
>broad flat ship hampers weapon convergence as weapons are spaced too far apart
>mixing gimbaled and fixed mounts
>needing to run a total fixed setup to maximize dps
>massive critical hitbox in the form of that ridiculous canopy that takes up the entire nose of the ship
>hardly any defense outside it's impressive speed

any pilot worth a shit will blow this thing away before it even closes into attack range, it has an even a worse design than the avenger

>jump into maia in newbie viper
>6 guys waiting to gank me in huge ships
>surrender, boost, silent running, high wake
>too easy
>log into single player and finish my mission
>look up what pvp is like on youtube
>2 ships spend 5 minutes shooting at each others shields until one runs out of ammo and the other runs away
>apparently the same ships can afk in conflict zones
so is combat in this game basically a massive joke without any challenge ever?

>>172724451
>so is combat in this game basically a massive joke without any challenge ever?
Now you're thinking like a dad!

>>172724601
He's right, though. Current pvp is a shitfest of meta FDLs engineered to hell and back.

>>172725845
I don't think that anon was saying that he's wrong, just that dads like PvP being a joke

>>172725932
it feels more like a pve game where people can mildly inconvenience you

>>172726278
>it feels more like a pve game
>Has solo mode

You don't say

>>172707369

Thank you, Fiddly.

>>172721103
S1 Bulldogs on the wingtips, S3 panthers on wings, 2xS2 badgers on turret.

Ez unified pips or near enough. There are planet of good S2 Options.

Why does my patcher keep on trailing off down to like 100 kbps, I Get 50 megabit service, which is like ~4.8 megabyte REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I start the launcher it jumps up to like 3 per second then just slowly goes down to 100kbps and sits there unless I fuck with it again then it goes up.

>>172727298
>I Get 50 megabit service, which is like ~4.8 megabyte
It's 6.25, so you might want to yell at your ISP a bit.

>>172727114
I wanted to call you out on that not being unified at all because S3 repeaters travel like they're flying through honey in comparison to S1s

But it appears as though they've completedly 180'd on their decision to make larger weapons fire slower to balance them, and now projectile speed increases by 25m/s per size

CIG

pls

Pleas make MC completely useless, non-existant rewards are not enough!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/330112-Why-mutlicrew-should-not-give-two-extra-pips

>>172727441
Weapon velocity spreads in general have been getting a lot closer together and its really not hard to make a unified fixed gun pip across several weapon sizes now if you're willing to read the SCDB spreadsheets, lately Ive been trying to keep all my builds within 50m/s

>>172727412
we'll I usually only get about 4.8 our of any given stream, but my speed tests all come up on the money for the package. I pay for 50megabit service and I usually actually have ~55 available the issue is usually available data on the other end.

SC patcher in general is just so shitty, breaks your net regardless of the speed you set it to, doesnt work like half the time hang for no apparent reason, and just fucking dumps bandwidth like its doing now, like WTF I thought they were using amazon and google for servers, its fucking dead o clock at night, where is the datas?

>>172727896
The reason they made larger weapons slower was to make them harder to hit smaller/agile ships with them, and they were pretty vocal about doing so

Makes me wonder if they're planning to balance them another way or if my S5 will now be travelling lightspeed and able to knock out small ships without them ever entering range, rather than what they were doing before, which was forcing smaller ships to manouver out of the way of giant, slow slugs

>>172727896
>breaks your net regardless of the speed you set it to

Need to do the ini edit so it doesn't do that, anon.

>>172728042
Maybe they realized that making bullets slow is a terrible balance decision and came to the logical conclusion that the difficulty in hitting a small agile ship should come from the pilots skill with said ship and his ability to fly erratically/evasively/make use of his maneuverability and not just be a mechanically difficult thing to do by virtue of weapon stats.

>>172715403
I'm Elite so I get 100%.
Also, money became irrelevant to me a long time ago in this game, I have something like 7.5 billion total assets.
I just want to have fun shooting things in a space fighter my man.

>>172728582
Whatever you say dad

>>172729234
Nothing about his post was daddish my man

>>172729234
>t. circle strafer

>>172729695
>people still don't know how to fix this

>>172731145
13 years in development and we still have newfags

Does user.cfg not work or what? I've disabled bloom and motion blur, but shit's still horrible in AC. Especially when I zoom in; can't see shit because everything's blurry.

Has anything happened in the last 3 months to make you more or less confident in the reality/quality of Star Citizen's release?

I've lost all interest, but I still hope my minor investment pays off.

>>172733193
>Has anything happened
the absence of anything happening

I probably won't even be playing video games when if Star Citizen gets released at their current rate of development

>tfw I bought a reclaimer like a good goy

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Inane text.

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Massive enclosed bulk freighters when? There exists no option for bulk cargo in unsafe space. Even with an Escort a Hull E is too vulnerable and it's cargo to easily destroyed. What If I need to move entire prefab base structures into a vanduul held system?

>>172720189
Quad neutrons for quick ship disposal
2 Mantis + Combine cannon on top for fun

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>>172733460
This. I was just passing by this thread in a surge of curiosity and I feel like I got jewed to the bones.

>>172643768
Tell me it's a fucking april fool.

>>172733460
>>172740030
it'll be fine, eventually its the when and the wait thats gets to us.

What was the SC April Fools joke last year?

>>172742275
3.0 scheduled for December

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>>172742478
hue.

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Spaceship porn.

>>172744345
Lads I'm so fuckin excited for 3.0. It's the moment Star Citizen becomes muh dream game. I wonder if they are going to stagger the features and release a 3.0 with not all of them,because it seems like such a huge step up from what we have now.

hi where are the space legs

>>172744456
Speak not such heresies! Don't give them any ideas.

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>>172745953
May be no space legs ever.
t. Sandro

>>172746063
I'd much prefer that desu senpai, just give us one out of trading/procedural planets, we don't need both.

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>>172746191

how

what

why

tell me now

NOW

>>172746676
The most recent answer was "not soon, if ever"

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>>172724451
yeah people who take pride in pvping with the title in its present state don't have a terrible lot going for them. the game is a complete joke through multiple prisms of viewing and thoroughly broken in several others.

what they entered the testing with was perfectly fine and could have changed all of this but nope, pander to dad forum whining and revert changes that you wasted time bothering to explain and take five steps back when you could have taken ten forward were these stupid fucking people given the intelligence necessary to play their own fucking game

>>172746191
fuck this guy. hope someone kills him in his home.

>>172746676
you'd better believe that's the caliber of non-commitment and disjointed roadmap we're dealing with

3.0 when because 2.4 is january 2018

>>172746395
no, 4 planets, all the moons, all the asteroids, all the stations, anything less will be a shitstorm and I will PERSONALLY take part for the first time. This shit has gone on too long for alterations. there are no fucking excuses. there has been nothing significant added to the alpha in a year.

3.0, ALL of 3.0 by the end of June, or fucking riot. that will be 18 months from the launch of PU alpha, 9 months from the announcement of 3.0 and 6 months past the projected launch date of 3.0 a date which they STILL have not acknowledged, despite there being a mountain of evidence about it and it being posed in a completely unequivocal way, in connection with a sale that made them a ton of money, If 3.0 is not fucking soon then they flat out fucking lied to us about it for profit.

Class action fucking lawsuit July 1st.

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>>172746880
>>172746913

but.... the space legs

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>>172747253
No

>>172747253
>>172746913
>>172746880
>>172746191
>space legs never.
Stop giving them money foggats it is the only language they speak. Fdev are dads and I bet Braben is secretly one of (((them))).

>>172747457
yeah i was jazzed to buy some dumb cosmetic shit because i legitimately believed some of these changes would prove fucking rad for the game but they've kindly given me the opportunity to vote with my wallet here.

dumbass fucking shallow game

>>172747457
But I don't want to be raped and abused by npcs and players with new upgrades introduced in 3.0, so I'll have to buy it too.

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>>172739382
I'm 100% with you, even a Cargo Variant of the Starfarer would be appreciated but afaict we've heard nothing of Massive Enclosed Freighters

>>172747647
m8 just stop playing, there are other games. It's dead, let it lie. There is no future In E:D it will never be a better game than it is, just longer with more drawn out mechanics to extract time and money from you.

I'm saying this as someone who just quit WoW, after 12 years, becasue finally, in my eyes the game had no future, and the Devs had no intention of giving it a future. Just stop playing, there is no better tomorrow to hold out for in E:D. SC as much as I froth lately has a future, E:D just doesn't because of whole is in charge of it. I honestly think that EA could eat FDev and it would improve the game, but thats not going to happen because E:D is a dead game and EA only likes money. The only thing you can hope for in terms of the Franchise is that some publisher buys the IP and makes a game out of it since half assed space games are thing publishers do now to cash in on SC's wake.

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>>172747912
Starhauler actually confirmed, one of the reasons I have one. Hopefully it will get rigging to carry vehicles and maybe even prefab building modules.

>>172748209
Confirmed when? Isn't this done by a fan?

>>172720189
>online compatible loadout
NN-13 on wings
NN-14 on gimbal and spine mount
No problem locking the gimbals and hitting anything with this.

>single player fun load
NN-13 on wings
Pyroburst on S3
C-788 on S4

It is unreal how strong this is, but the rounds from the PB and 788 pass through in online against NPC, so single player modes only.

Are E:Dgoys actually getting completely cucked out of spacelegs?

Can I see a source to that? Because I'm pretty sure I've heard of more than a few people clinging onto the game heavily because that was going to be one of the features.

If its just a commander-maker.. wow

>>172748298
>lock gimbals rather than just putting them on fixed
>putting S2 on the spine mount

maxmium hmmmm

>>172748408
You can't mount size 2 on the wings. they are size 3 only. You have to use a gimbal mount and lock it.

Monoboating S2 keep the pips converged, you can gimbal just the 4, but I found locking them and using the 2 s1 guns also was a little more effective. You can still turn inside a hornet, even fixed.

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>>172748289
Not thats official CIG concept art from Starfarers store page.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships/misc-starfarer/Starfarer 5th page of concept art.

>>172748321

2.3 was only ever meant to be a commander creator, space legs were planned for the next season of updates

But now they've gone and jeopardised the entire thing.

>>172748321
It was never announced officially, they said that it'll probably be added at some stage and people were guessing 3.0, but it looks like it's not going to happen.

>>172748616
>concept art

Yeah, rejected concepts they didn't use.

>>172748616
You know what else is on the Starfarer store page? A mention that the Starfarer G has less cargo and maneuverability than the regular variant. I'll believe it when I see it. Same with the refueling boom that was supposed to be added in some update, but we've never heard anything new about that either.

>>172748851
>>172748930
What will really happen is it'll get a module that replaced the six fuel storage tanks with a set of the External cargo magplates the Hull C uses. So it'll have a largeish internal bay and a larger external rack to clamp crates onto.

you know, I don't want to defend E:D. They could cancel spacelegs and I would be completely unfazed. But I do feel compelled to point out that it's April first, also known as the worst fucking day of the year. The day when everyone is a shithead and think they're HILARIOUS while doing it.

>>172749542
this isn't unfortunately the case anon

fdev is this incompetent and laughable in their ability to stick to things

just a company full of flakes

>>172749542
The question about spacelegs was asked on one of the recent Q&A streams, iirc. They are not canceling it, partially because they never announced it, but they said that it won't be added any time soon, which probably includes season 3, which is at least 2 years from finished.

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>>172749838
>implying it won't be midway through 2018 by the time season 3 so much as gets a beta
>implying they'll finish the first update for season 3 by new years
>implying there won't be three more worthless shitpatches between then and season 4 there won't be a season 4 each taking another six months
>when season 3 takes three years to end

>TFW SC releases before E:D fags get legs. but hey at least you get a vanity cam and a character creator that is a literally a decade behind the one EVE had a fucking decade ago.

>>172750087
They won't deny shekels for themselves, season 3 will start with the next update after 2.4, and at current pace 2.4 will be in July.

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>>172750581
>at current pace 2.4 will be in July.

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>>172750581
>Implications.

Well since you're here I have a Bengal Carrier Im looking to sell and It can be yours for the Low Low Prices of $45000 USD, cash, non-refundable.

>>172747215
>4 planets, all the moons, all the asteroids, all the stations
They've said from the beginning the Stanton system would be rolled out gradually over the course of 3.x.

I think E:D is being punished for raising a shit storm over the too numerous to list here reasons there have been non stop shit storms recently.

They were fine in the past having space legs be the common knowledge of planned features. So much so, that the two biggest memes here are "3.0 when" and "space legs when".

Now that there is open revolt over their continued hamfisted approach, they are saying maybe, if ever for the single most desired feature in the game. What a disgusting, vile developer Frontier is.

>>172751036
NO THEY FUCKING HAVEN'T YOU SHILL.

"The stanton system" was 3.0. It would not be full, but it would have 4 planets with major LZs and several moons and stations and a bunch of floaty space rocks. They have since rolled mining into 3.0 too because it has taken them so fucking long to get it out the door that some of the devs who actually work most days haven't been fucking around Mo-capping 300 variations of the vanduul mating dance, and actually built a system.

>>172751242
You're gonna get loot boxes soon. You're gonna get rng loot boxes with your next tier of upgrades, just like Planetside just did.

someone edit the honest trailer and blur out all the walking.

>>172750981
Are you doubting their greed or something? Why the fuck would they release free updates that are not hotfixes in between seasons?

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>>172751313
>tfw the mining system will start out as well thought out and designed as the golf-swing sensor ping mechanic that was showed off before even reddit raged the fuck out

>>172747457
>>172751242
>>172749798
You know, I went to look and see if Braben was Kike, and while I haven't got an answer; I didn't realized he was the guy behind the Raspberry Pi, I hate him a little less now, so he's not entirely evil, just mostly.

>>172747286
>>172746191
He's got this smile like he's just been tortured and they're forcing him to smile for the photo on threat of more torture.

>>172708442
Same exact thing happened to me when I was in a viper mk4, but I was just barely fast enough to get away

>>172751517
It wouldn't surprise me if that's how fdev "fixes" engineers by giving you the rare mats in rng boxes as a reward for logging in daily.

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>>172752337
It's because of all those bullies trying to get the innocent lead game designer that is sandro fired.

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>>172751313
>inb4 patch 2.7 with only the Crusader moons and some barebones planetside missions
Considering how much they've been showing off the moons lately and how far 3.0 is still away that's a real possibility.

Someone post Jim "CMDR Jim Peterson" Peterson

OK THIS IS SOME SICK LEVEL APRIL'S FOOLS JOKE

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5kXCm2ct0
>https://twitter.com/RebelGalaxy/status/848195215668019200

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>>172753864
sorry anon I can't find it. I may have lost it when I changed hdds. Have a fresh one instead

Chris is having dinner with Morgan Freeman now and he's giving him money to do some lines (voice lines that is...) later on.

>>172756429

>ITS NOT REAL ITS NOT REAL ITS NOT REAL ITS NOT REAL I WANT TO BELIEVE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I WANT IT!

>>172756429
kek bretty gud

>>172756429
FFfffffffffuuuck
I miss my Centurion.

>>172756760
citation needed

>>172746913
Sorry, but i 35+ and play with people over 100+ who are mainly 35+, and every single one us are for PVP, we just want the correct mechanics to the game. The correct crime and punishment...

The problem is the younger instant gratification generation (The millennials) that want god ships, no consequences to choices they make and think they are more important than everyone else, instant ship transfer because 5 jumps is to much hard work for them, so they must have game breaking mechanics to justify their laziness...

That is the problem... I want to kill people, with no consequences, because it's my right yadda yadda, woffle woffle... their arguments go on, then they cry like babies because no one want to play with them in open.

So don't go blaming the older generation. We grew up rocket jumping lava pits in quake, long before most the instant gratification generation was born.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

This sums exactly what is happening with gaming today, and FD are falling into the same trap so the arrogance of your post to blame the older generations, is astounding.

>>172747253
I was reading some comments. Some people are starting to think space legs are never coming.

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I know it's bait so no (you)s for you

>>172759141
>We grew up rocket jumping lava pits in quake, long before most the instant gratification generation was born.
You wot

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so what's best?
>picking up all available missions regardless of payment
or
>switch gamemodes constantly for 20 minutes and pray RNGesus for missions with bigger pay

>play star marine
>FPS are just as bad as sandbox mode

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>>172761823
Not playing Erectile Dysfunction.

>>172762005
>PU framerate is as good as SM
why you gotta troll?

>>172759141
The dad meme makes me giggle

>>172762841
Dads have the best jokes...

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>>172763357
Too bad they're serious

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I get the impression that we're not getting a new and original SC joke today.

>>172764148
Is 2.6.3 a good joke?

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ED: This Isn't Eve

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>>172764626
So ED is actually EVE. Are the Dads going to implode?

You want a joke? I have 700 hours in E:D. My life is a joke.

>>172764815
EvE actually benefits and requires spreadsheets

This is just autism

>>172764626
>You could have my excel spreadsheets, but you probably wouldn't understand them
>SUM:(A1:A10).. pretty complex

>>172763357
>>172763687

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/285096-Combat-logging-reasons-why-its-happening-and-solution?p=4437994

>>172764932
>This is just autism
But isn't half that shit required just to find Mats or whatever they're called? I stopped playing when they were introduced.
>>172765079
>And Solution
There will never be a solution.

>>172765138
>There will never be a solution.
Pay for actual servers and get rid of the p2p system. Also solves shitty instancing, random lags and other shit.

>>172765138
>But isn't half that shit required just to find Mats or whatever they're called? I stopped playing when they were introduced.

No?

>>172765303
>Pay
>FDev
best joke in the whole thread

>>172765303
I should rephrase, there will never be a solution under their current and most likely permanent network.
>>172765307
It always seemed like you needed a shit load of outside resources just to play the game efficiently. I was using various third party sites just to find best prices for example.

>>172765490
Trading tool is hardly an extensive spreadsheet

>>172767543
Hi chris, give me a ship for free

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>>172767543