/sthg/ - Sonic The Hedgehog General

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Burning through threads on the daily.

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1mkKcaLGhCr

Reposting without the little diddly at the start.
I'm gonna remake this when my voice isn't shot and I can write better lyrics.
Until then, I'm gonna get some sleep before my presentation.

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>>172624171

>>172624171
Where is that pic from?

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Remember, anyone who declines Cream's invitation to tea is a monster

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>>172623916
Naw man, there's value in every character. And no matter who, someone out there is bound to like them

>>172624685
I'd decline tea with Cream.

>>172625226
You monster

>>172625004
How many times do I have to keep saying this: He is a pointless character. What purpose does he serve to the overall franchise? He hasn't been relevant since Rivals, and that was a vaporware handheld.

Nothing would change if he was scrapped like Fang, Mighty, etc. NOTHING.

>>172625381
That's nice.

>>172625285
You do realize no one's forcing you to repeat this tired shit, right?

>>172625434
Whoops, the second part was meant for >>172625381 I meant to say to

>>172625285
That's not nice. Tea just isn't that great to me. Besides, Cream a shit.

>>172625434
>tired shit
eh? I made a joke

>>172625536
That was a fuck up, that part wasn't meant for you. I got the posts mixed up,

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>>172625581
It's all good, my dude

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>>172625629
Good. Have a Sliver.

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>>172625728
I really should rename my all-purpose sonic folder to Silver, because pictures of him take up 80% of the folder

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>just want to write stories about a little blue hedgehog and his adventures
>reality continuously cockblocks him
Most JUST man for the last month or so.

>>172625813
Yeah, I should probably do the same with all my Sonic related images, since they're just in a general pictures folder & they take up a good chunk of it.

>>172624550
Fancomic, Sonic Eggs

>>172625381
>He hasn't been relevant since Rivals

You could say that for anyone not Sonic, Tails, or Eggman.

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Wake up you hedgehogs!

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>>172629308
fuck off Eggman, it's my day off

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Sonic Spinball is the best spin off game

>>172630329
>that 'comin for dat booty' face

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>you will never... take care... of a sonic girl that lives in your house

>>172626256
But now he gets to write for Jughead, Anon!

>>172632785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0VyRj2YE4

>>172632540
So if we're all agreeing that Sally has moved on to Nicole, who should sonic get?

>>172634460
Tails.
Sonic is gay.

>>172632540
Do you think Sally was always bisexual or did the super genesis wave rebuild her up as gay?

>>172634460
>So if we're all agreeing that Sally has moved on to Nicole
Fuck off, yurifag

>>172634634
>Do you think Sally was always bisexual or did the super genesis wave rebuild her up as gay?
Almost certainly the latter.

Sonic was also reconstructed apparently without a sex drive at all.

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>>172623850
Did you say sketch edition?

>>172634634
>>172634713
Which characters were effected the least?
Meaning, they were mostly rebuilt almost the same as their pre SGW selves?

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>>172634813
>Which characters were effected the least? Meaning, they were mostly rebuilt almost the same as their pre SGW selves?
Sonic and Eggman, which makes sense seeing as they were right next to the source of the Genesis Wave.
Besides being a few years younger and not being constantly horny, Sonic is essentially the exact same character as he has always been.
Eggman has changed even less and is essentially the same character even though he has a different origin story.
Because of these simularities, it makes sense that these are the two characters that were able to retain their memories of the old universe the longest.

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>>172634978

>>172635001
>space literally shatters like glass
Always looked kind of unnerving

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>>172634713
>>172634634
>>172634638
the wave probably just made her a little gayer.

>>172635343
Ain't nothin wrong with that

>>172635001
>"WHAT DID YOU DO?!"
i can't believe eggman was willing to fucking shatter reality just because he was too petty to let Sonic fix it

>>172635445
I think based on his reaction he was just trying to stop sonic or maybe make a last ditch effort to make his envisioned reality THE reality. I don't think he meant to actually shatter it. Either way he probably wasn't thinking straight.

>>172635445
It's all part of the MASTER PLAN

>>172635343
Cuties
do you think Nicole digitally alters herself in bed so that she has a dick for Sally?

>>172635841
No because Sally is clearly the dominant one in the relationship

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>>172635841
it's a possibility, Sally is definitely a top though

A little more realistically speaking, I imagined Sally kept a fair amount of rings by her bed so she could materialize Nicole for light and happy bedtime cuddles, until she falls asleep.

>>172636156
Bottom right is fucking adorable

>>172635935
>>172636156
>sally a top

my sides.

Either sally is a strong leader that is a bottom, or she's an incompetent leader that tops to feel better about being a shitty leader.

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>>172636336
I have always liked sonic when his quills are long and dread-locky.
Too bad pretty much the only decent art of that style was cover art.

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How much longer must we suffer this wait? This existence is riddled with holes that only the spiritual gaze of tomorrow can cover.

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>>172636527
As far as games go, his quills were probably longest in 2006 and I do have to admit I like the length of them there and the way they flow/react to movement.

Not a fan of the ears though. They seem too... prominent in 2006.

>>172636593
Freeze yourself until winter. Then you'll have two Sonic games to play!

>>172636527
I think you're pretty much the only one anon

>>172636527
I like long quills when they're drawn well.
Problem is most of the time they arnt.

>>172635445
>"That...that doesn't look right...."
He did it all by accident.. Pretty terrifying that one man erased a whole lot due to his pettiness by accident.

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>>172636527
Yeah I agree.
Ironic thing about the dark age is it has some of my favorite cover art in the history of the comic.

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can i drop this here again
https://pastebin.com/jELdT2i5

Sorry I know I've posted this before a month back but I've been looking for honest writing critique from anons who would appreciate such a subject and I didn't really get anything last time. thank you. pic related.

>>172636912
Eggman just like "GET THESE FUCKING FURRIES AWAY FROM ME"

>>172636912
Look how happy they all are.

PENDERED

>>172636912
Never really got the love for Spaz, he drew everyone really super ugly.

>>172636798
I get the joke, but your execution was poor. 7/10.

>>172635445
We've long established in the games that Eggman is extremely short sighted and never thinks or cares about the repercussions of his actions until they affect him. It's one of the core facets of his personality.

>>172637007
>yuri shit

It's already terrible

>>172637104
Then explain it to me because I don't get the joke.

>>172636527
>>172636698
I'm in the middle on this topic.
I do like Sonic more with longer quills, a lot actually.
BUT I'm not really a fan of the quills being "hair" like knuckles.

>>172632540
There's low-riding, and then there's just showing off your asscrack.

>>172636156
>Nicole being taller
How long until this fan extrapolation makes its way into official art, like Sally and Bunnie's relative figures?

>>172637085
I like Spaz but I understand that his artstile can be polerizing.

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>>172637157
Aren't you glad i warned you before you actually had to read it?

>>172637185
Penders.

>>172637085
To a lot, and I mean a LOT of people, more detail = better art. This is why 3D modelling and photoshopped pics have pretty much replaced painting and pencilling for covers, posters and the like.

Spaz has a great sense for three dimensional space, but he's frankly awful at posing, really stiff, and has trouble with conveying motion.

>>172637617
Agreed.
Spaz can do collage-pics well but the devil is in the details and positioning.
Take >>172636912 for example. A lot of people would probably say this is good cover art, and on some level it is. It's varied, colorful, and carries the sense of celebration that comes with the 10th anniversary well. Howerver, the framing and positioning doesn't seem to fit the purpose of the pic. The most prominent character in the pic, the one the reader's eyes are drawn to immidiately, is Vector. Hell, even Mina has a more prominent presence in the pic.

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>>172637850
>Hell, even Mina has a more prominent presence in the pic.
As opposed to Sonic I mean.
Don't know if I made that clear.

And to be clear I'm not one of these fags that just hates Mina. I thought her character was really improving towards the end of the preboot era and I was sad to see her go, but the point is there is NO reason for her to have a more prominent placement on a milestone issue than Sonic himself.

Now if we take a look at issue 225, 100 issues later, we see a much better example of prioritization. Sonic is the clear frontrunner (no pun intended) and what's more the plot details of the issue are also made somewhat clear.

>>172637850
Part of that is the coloring.

The colorist decided to give Vector a moderate green and a very bright yellow, but used dark, desaturated blues on Sonic. While in the inks Sonic still isn't immediately grabbing you, a proper color job would have drawn you right to him.

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>>172638143
I like the decision they made to start giving milestone issues lateral cover art
>tfw we came so close to getting the 4th one but will never get it

>>172637396
Oh.

>>172639253
Shadow is only fast on his feet because of his super special shoes, so I bet he fucks sonic nice and slow

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>>172639519
That's not how Shadow's shoes work.

Shadow has the athleticism and stamina to theoretically push himself to be able to move as fast as sonic but his physical body simply doesn't have the dexterity or reaction time to physically move his legs that fast.
The air shoes allow shadow to reach his full potential, which the laws of physics would otherwise prevent him from doing.

Sonic can do it naturally because he is actually the ultimate life form.

>>172639846
Fuck off Sparky.

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So what's going on with the comics. I've been gone for the past 4 days. Last time I heard was "In Talks"

>>172640013
Nothing new.

>>172640013
Comics are probably coming back.
Chances are it was just a legal issue over percentages of profit to certain parties for older issues being sold online.

>>172639937
I'm actually not Sparky, but I'll admit my post would register for on the spectrum

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>>172640128
>>172640157

K. That's good to know.

>>172640013
Legs are way too long.
Body is off-center/leaning unnaturally.

Try making a line of action and measuring how many heads tall you want a character to be when you start sketching, it'll help you get a feel for these things.

>>172640157
>Chances are it was just a legal issue over percentages of profit to certain parties for older issues being sold online.
Why would they cancel the current comics then?

>>172640157
There's been nothing to indicate what you just said.

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>>172640712
I didn't draw that. I found it on tumblr.

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>>172641476
It saved the fucking thumbnail? Really?

God damnit.

>>172641372
I noticed the filename, threw out the advice just in case.

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>>172641372

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>>172641806
I just love the irony that oozes from this

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>>172641930
>age 19 (mind 2027)

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>>172644342
Yes?

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>>172641930
What an obtuse "character"

>>172644686
Bump needs a redesign.
She looks like a discount sally acorn

>>172642442
She's ten years ahead of the curve, bro!

>>172644686
What is Bump's occupation?

>>172645810
College student

>>172645810
She's in college.
Sage is her roommate.

>>172645839
>>172645883
What do they study?

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>>172645839
>>172645883

Wait what?

Do Bump and Sageru experiment?

>>172645992
I vote Biochemistry.
I like the idea of them being lab partners and Bump keeps trying to mix chemicals for fun and sage is just constantly not amused

>>172646057
Bump gets drunk a lot and parties.
I've never seen art of sage drinking but I'd assume Bump has probably come home and tried to seduce her.

...I'm officially commissioning this

>>172646289
>>172636336
>>172635015
>>172634978
Cute. Also, I really like drawloverlala's stuff.

>>172646560
Lewd

>>172646560
Why is our mascot such a slut?

>>172646560
Goddamn, Bump is such a slut

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>>172646813
>>172646960
Bump is a little slutty for sure, but she's not bitchy. She just likes having a good time.

>>172646813
>>172646960
She craves bumps and (You)s

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Release the eggmen

>>172646813
Why do you think?

>>172644686
Is KORPS! still around?

>>172647325
If robots are so superior, how come Eggman hasn't roboticized himself?
Checkmate, mobianists!

>>172647553
Technically Eggman un-Roboticized himself

>>172647325
Alternate timeline where Robo-Robotnik chose the Hulk Hogan body when?

>>172647632
Wait, didn't aliens do that?

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Sigh

>>172647858
Perv

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"Heh, now what are you doing in a place like this? Maybe you should put that chaos emerald down and I won't put a bullet in your head"

>>172630329
That's not tails adventure

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>>172648030

>>172647827
Eggman unrobotocized himself with the Genesis wave, but pre-reboot, the Bem DID unrobotocize most everyone. Except Bunnie and Jules. Jules was explained, but I don't think Bunnie was

>>172648281
...No, anon.
Eggman got unrobotted before everyone else. He was forced to fight a robot Sonic and lost.

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"Robotnik, for the last time! I told you ______________________

>>172648510
Oh, right. The first time the Bem showed up

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Post good character redesigns

>>172648526
>"...we are not a pizza delivery business! Stop calling!"

>>172649038
Why is Knuckles a dog?

>>172649038
I threw up in my mouth.

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>>172649205
Ruffer than the rest of them

>>172635841
I go to Skinbark for those questions.

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>>172649038
Way past cool

>>172649038
>>172649604
I have never found a Sonic fan redesign that wasn't complete utter shit.

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>>172649038
this has some charm

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>>172649038

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>>172649907
y rouge so smol

>>172649715
There's a reason they're called fans and not professionals

>>172650062
She's a bat

>>172636527
I honestly disagree. Sonic's Quills should look sharp, not like long strands of hair.

>>172637007
That was some cute shit anon. Sorry but I couldn't see anything glaring.

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>>172650224
Rouge is a cute bat!

>>172649907
Based on these designs alone I assume they'd play like Jack and Daxter.

>>172637007
This was amazingly lewd
Please do a follow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXMj8WSS_PY

Dio you agree or disagree?

>>172653489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJD5oAruU_Q

>>172649907
Tails looks manic.

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>>172653489
Mostly.
This comment makes a good point.

>>172654310
but isn't that just 3d sonic in general, and the boost gameplay is just a more extreme version of this

>>172654310
This post will inevitably send the thread spiralling into a shitposting fest, but I agree with it

>>172654310
How is it that Heroes managed to have yuge levels then? I know they repeated them and that you had three styles of play, but even then, it was nothing too different from one another. Is it just a case of modern engines being too complex?

>>172654512
You're not going nearly as fast in heroes.

>>172654310
He's incorrect for the most part. The levels don't take any more time than any other Sonic game since they're stretched out into a mostly straight line. Of all the things to complain about and he chooses that.

>>172654703
The problem is you blur through them with little challenge

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>>172653345
Well, I wouldn't say it was THAT lewd, anon. Meant to be a little fluffy, really, but I guess my idea of fluff is very different. Thank you!

Do you have anything particular in mind for a followup?

>>172654703
The level assets probably take more time to make than the level design itself.

>>172654845
Anon I wouldn't dare try to interject into your creativity. You'll do fine on your own.

>>172654812
That's subjective but it is a shame that a lot of nice scenery just gets blown past.
>>172654870
Still doesn't take that long considering how most of the levels have you in areas that restrict your view to the rest of the level. Very rarely do the levels give you big open shots of a city or an area that would require lots of assets.

>>172654512
Ctrl C Ctrl V

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>>172649038
Got you covered, flamingo!

>>172654606
True, but maybe they'll surprise us?

Maybe LW was just something they did to fill time and this is something they've been working on since Gens.

Optimistic, especially considering the franchise but I do think Forces looks ambitious.

>>172654812
I don't know, the challenge comes from repeated plays to increase your score. Certainty in Unleashed there were some balls hard levels like the rescue mission...

>>172654981
I know that's being facetious, but that could work.

>>172655008
What is this fairly odd parents shit?

>>172655053
>I know that's being facetious, but that could work.

I meant Heroes tended to repeat sections.

>>172655096
typical bigdad schlock

You know, I can understand people arguing about the challenge of a Sonic game but personally, I don't mind Boost because it's fun to play. And at the end of the day, that's what I care about most in a Sonic game.

>>172653489
Haven't most 3D Sonic games attached some gimmick or secondary gameplay that just makes the game longer?

>>172655165
I know, but it wasn't a total copy-paste.

At least, I don't recall it being so. It still doesn't invalidate my point about Flintstoning the Boost levels if to add some artificial length. However wouldn't you rather just have a short but good game?

>heroes is the standard for 3D sonic games now apparently
Heroes is shit

>>172655368
It's just an example of a game which had long levels.

>>172655368
Who said that?

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3rd character reveled!

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>>172655565
Fake and gay.

>>172655096
The talents of Bigdad. A artist so creative his abilities go beyond western or eastern art.

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>>172655096

>>172655505
Wasn't a big complaint about Heroes was that the levels could go too long?

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>>172655565
The fuck is wrong with his ear?

>>172655667
Yes, which is why if you just made it go at boost speed, perhaps it would work. Providing you tweaked the design.

I'm really just saying it was possible for Sonic Team to build a long ass level

>>172655640
>makes fanart
>still has to shove his Poochy into it as if the piece couldn't hold up without it
So Butch literally is a deviantautist.

>>172655640
>that fucking dog
For what purpose.

>>172655723
It's just a cut

>>172655301
>Adventure
6 playable characters and 6 gameplay styles
>Adventure 2
6 playable characters and 3 gameplay styles
>Heroes
12 playable characters and one gameplay style, relies on multiple playthroughs to complete
>Shadow
1 playable character and one gameplay style, relies on multiple playthroughs to complete
>06
Fuck ton playable characters and gameplay styles
>Unleashed
1(2?) playable characters, 2 main gameplay styles
>Colors
1 playable character, 1 gameplay style
>Generations
2 playable characters, 2 gameplay styles
>Lost World
1 playable character, 1 gameplay style
>Forces
2(maybe 3?) playable characters, 3 gameplay styles

>>172656096
>>172655856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBOOQE0NKj4

>>172646813
>>172646960
S-she is not!

>>172656249
It's funny because this post completely disregards the quality aspect.
06 has the most diversity in its gameplay for instance but it's by far the worst game.

>>172656434
and shadow has 1 gameplay style and is shit all the way through

>>172656270
>so I decided to put Sparky in with Sonic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjjMH_PdCvI

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>>172656283

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>>172657162
What

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>>172655640

>>172639937
I just got home, that wasn't me.

Shadow's speed has been stated to come from his "powerful body", and in the end he is the dark incarnation of Sonic, the spitting image of him, sharing his speed and agility. Sonic and Shadow naturally have the exact same abilities, but for whatever reason, Shadow needs to have inhibitor rings and hover skates to control his power and speed, but Sonic doesn't.

>>172657162
These were made by someone who works on the comics. Thank god they aren't in control of designs or story.

>>172657629
Sonic is faster than Shadow.
Shadow is stronger than Sonic.

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>>172654845

>>172658258
False. Why does the Sonic fanbase always confuse Shadow for Knuckles?

>>172659415
>False
False.

>>172659415
Because 97% are just in it to fap to Rouge and her pairing is interchangeable

Sonic has a rival that is the "opposite" of him. Someone that's associated with red, being powerful and strong with an emphasis on combat abilities, and a more serious and focused personality in contrast to Sonic. This rival has the capability to harness the power of an emerald, allowing him to control the power of the Chaos Emeralds. He isn't as fast as Sonic (but he does come close), but he is stronger than Sonic. This rival is KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA. NOT Shadow the Hedgehog.

... maybe Knuckles should have been "darker" or something. But the only sign of that is his aversion to sunlight.

>>172637376
Handsome knave

>>172659471
>>False
>False
False

>>172658818
is sally kissing nicole's tiddy

>>172659990
Shadow is stronger than Sonic by the same amount that Sonic is faster than Shadow.
>Knuckles
>coming close to being as fast as Sonic
kek

>>172656249
>>Generations
>2 playable characters, 2 gameplay styles
should be 2 playable characters, 1.25 gameplay styles since the majority of modern sonic is just spent doing 2d platforming

>>172660262
Ehh even then it's more rush style then classic style

>>172660237
>Shadow is stronger than Sonic by the same amount that Sonic is faster than Shadow.
There is no amount. There is no difference. Sonic's speed is exactly the same as Shadow's speed. Sonic's strength is exactly the same as Shadow's strenght. If Sonic can outrun light, so can Shadow. If Shadow can benchpress a bus, so can Sonic. If Sonic can eat 1000 Chili Dogs in one sitting, so can Shadow.

Knuckles is 'close' to Sonic's speed, up to roughly around Tails' speed. Both of them can exceed the speed of sound.

>>172660487
Factually wrong. Sonic is faster. Gens and even SA2 proves this. Shadow is stronger. ShTH proves this. Knuckles is nowhere near as fast as Sonic and neither of them can break the sound barrier and nothing proves otherwise.

>>172660836
>Gens and even SA2 proves this
No, they don't. Not only is it literally said that Shadow shares Sonic's speed in those games, but they literally move at the same speed in gameplay.

Sonic Generations' Rival Battle is literally built around the idea that they are the same. I mean, in case you forgot, you can't beat the other without absorbing Energy Cores to temporarily gain a power boost over the other.

Shadow isn't stronger than Sonic. Not once has that ever been proven.

Tails and Knuckles are both nearly as fast as Sonic, along with Amy and Cream&Cheese.

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There is no canonical concrete comparison showing shadow to be stronger than sonic. We see shadow doing things in Ow the edge, but we don't get to compare that to Sonic doing the same.

There IS however evidence that Shadow is faster than sonic, as seen in Sonic battle:
"Shadow's running skill. With help from his Air Shoes, he can run faster than Sonic."

>>172661368
>There IS however evidence that Shadow is faster than sonic, as seen in Sonic battle:
>"Shadow's running skill. With help from his Air Shoes, he can run faster than Sonic."
Which is completely nullified by the fact that Sonic was "holding back" the entire game until he fought Ultimate Emerl. Sonic's full power is unrestrained, and he was using a casual relaxed amount of effort. Shadow's full power is restrained, and he was using maximum effort.

>>172661368
This.
Shadow is faster, but they are both the same strength.
Shadow wins overall.

>>172661545
When you fight ultimate emeral your speed is the same as it was throughout the whole game.

Shadow is faster than sonic. Period.

>>172661365
Sonic beat Shadow in their race-fight in SA2 and Sonic moves faster when boosting in Gens. Sonic is faster.
Shadow is capable of hand to hand combat with aliens and can flip objects weighing tons with ease with his own hands while Sonic has never been shown to be able to do the same. Shadow is stronger.
>Tails and Knuckles are both nearly as fast as Sonic, along with Amy and Cream&Cheese.
They aren't even half as fast as Sonic and you cannot prove otherwise.

Are you guys sczophrenic? There's 2d sections in adventure sonic games.

>>172661545
>Which is completely nullified by the fact that Sonic was "holding back" the entire game until he fought Ultimate Emerl.
You don't speed up against ultimate emeral, so there goes that excuse.

>>172661548
No, Shadow is stronger, Sonic's the fastest. What's the point o Sonic if Shadow's better? That's fucking stupid and makes the main character irrelevant

>using specific gameplay evidence that contrasts with other games in an attempt to prove some sort of universal canon fact
We've been over this. There isn't one. Stahp.

Fucking stop already. This argument over who's the fastest is stupid.

>>172661946
There are no facts to support shadow being stronger.
There are facts to support him being faster.
I'm sorry, the facts simply are not on your side.

Sage is a boy!

This just further proves that Shadow is a terrible character and should have stayed dead after the ark fight

>>172662009
You're right because it's obviously Sonic.

>>172662057
What facts? Stats from a spin off game? Sonic canonically beat his ass in SA2. He's better. End of story. If Shadow's faster, that makes Sonic irrelevant. Sonic has to be the fastest, that's his thing. He's the fastest best hero and the only one who can truly sotp Eggman. I hope Forces proves this even further

These arguments are getting really repetitive.

>>172662158
Sure, he's the fastest thing alive. You happy now?

>>172662249
>evidence that proves me wrong doesn't count!
Yeah, we're done here

>>172662302
HE'S THE FASTEST THING ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

>>172661368
>>172661545
What about boost, though? Can modern Sonic outrun Shadow with that? Or can Shadow boost too?

>>172662097
You have gone too far this time.

>>172662150
He should've been a villain to the very end. Or better yet, Maria's wish should've been that of revenge and his last act was defying that wish and sacrificing himself to stop the ARK from crashing

>>172651876
Agreed. I don't care if they're short or long, but I want Sonic's spines to look hard and sharp, not all floppy.

>>172662378
Shadow can Boost as of Gens but he's slower compared to Sonic doing it.

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>>172662302
>he's the fastest thing alive
But not the fastest thing period.

>>172661653
Sonic beats Ultimate Emerl in less than 30 seconds, even though the actual boss fight from the player's perspective is about 10 rounds. He was using more speed and power during that fight than he was the entire rest of the game. The rest of the game, Shadow moved faster than Sonic because he was using more effort than Sonic. Sonic was just jogging, while Shadow was actually running (skating).

>>172661657
In SA2, Sonic and Shadow move at the same speed. Same with Generations. Sonic didn't win because of being faster, cause he isn't faster than Shadow and vise versa.

Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream&Cheese are all supersonic in speed, and are nearly as fast as Sonic. Of these 4 characters, Cream&Cheese are the slowest, yet they have still been officially stated to be nearly as fast as Sonic. Tails is Sonic's Sidekick, in the same vain as Robin or Kid Flash, he was already capable of keeping up with Sonic when they first met and Tails has been trained by Sonic ever since. In the present time, Tails stands a chance in a race against Sonic because he is close enough in speed alone, and his flight allows him to take shortcuts to get to the goal before Sonic can. Same with Knuckles, he's roughly equal to Tails, and his strength, digging, use of shortcuts and/or knowledge of the area allow him to get to the end before Sonic.

Amy may have started out relatively slow, but as of Sonic Heroes, she kinda HAS to be faster than Cream&Cheese. This also means that Big is somewhere in their speed range as well...

Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream&Cheese all have Boost Mode in Sonic Advance 2, which is pretty much them breaking the sound barrier. In fact, that's even how the Boost Mode is animated at the moment you enter that state.

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OKAY, I'M FUCKING GONNA DO A FUCKING REVIEW OF SONIC 1. AND THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA FUCKING TALK ABOUT IS

>>172662402
I prefer them longer to be honest but at the end of the day as long as the game plays well I'm happy

>>172662667
HOW BAD SONIC 1 IS

>>172662667
The waifus.

Here's an idea: Nobody should be remotely as fast as Sonic, and have things besides speed. Shadow can teleport and has chaos spears, Tails flies, Amy has a hammer, Knuckles climbs and has super strength, Cream flies and has cheese. There. Now they're not stealing Sonic's thunder and taking what is rightfully his

>>172662656
>This autism
And the funniest part is none of it is proven. It's all headcanon.

>>172662378
>You have gone too far this time.
Are Bump and Sage the two faces of our depression?

>>172661946
The entire point of Shadow's character is that he is a dark version of Sonic. Every superhero needs to have a clone-esque copy of themselves to fight.

>>172662656
Sparky, just stop

>>172631240
What the fuck is this? Do we need to alert the cops to this kidnapping?

>>172662806
I mean, no one outside of Sparky thinks Sonic shouldn't be the fastest in the series.

>>172662843
No they don't . Just because it's tradition doesn't automatically make it good. Even by that, Shadow should've stayed a villain to the end. You don't see Zoom becoming a hero now, do you Sparky?

>>172662378
Shadow boosts in Sonic Generations. That entire rival battle emphasizes how Shadow is just "Dark-Sonic", and the only way to beat him is to absorb Energy Cores to temporarily make yourself more powerful. The difference between them is highlighted in how they use the Energy Cores. They are exactly the same, and the Energy Cores are exactly the same, but Shadow chooses to 'manipulate' that boost of energy into Chaos Spears, while Sonic simply just lets the power boost happen and he does what comes naturally.

>>172662656
Then how did he beat Shadow in SA2? How come he got the power cores in Gens before Shadow did since whoever is faster is going to get them first? Thanks for proving my point. Sonic is faster.
None of them are anywhere near as fast as Sonic. They can't keep up with him at all when he's at full speed. Period. Nothing you have proves otherwise. You're wrong.
>which is pretty much them breaking the sound barrier
First off, Boost in SA2 and Boost in the Boost games are not the same thing and do not denote breaking the sound barrier at all.
The Boost from the Boost games is animated to show him breaking the sound barrier, Advance 2 does not. They simply get nifty little afterimages much in the vein of Capcom fighting game supers.
How's it feel being completely wrong, Sparky?

>>172662892
>I mean, no one outside of Sparky thinks Sonic shouldn't be the fastest in the series.
Metal Sonic is faster

>>172663261
Metal Sonic a junk. Someone post the comic of Sonic bullying Eggman's robots

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>>172663325

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Has anyone ever tried this recipe?

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>>172663325
>Metal Sonic a junk
That's no way to speak of your master

>>172663546
Yes. I enjoyed it but I prefer traditional chili.

>>172663396
Thanks.

>>172663064
Your opinions on the trope itself doesn't change the fact that Sonic series uses that trope. They've used it multiple times, in fact. Shadow is just one example, and the most literal example in a way.

>>172663115
Go back and play Sonic Advance 2, and pay close attention to how the Boost mode is animated when it's activated. They break the sound barrier. It's shown, and heard.

In Sonic Generations, the only solid thing is that Sonic powers up at the very end of the battle, and beats Shadow with it. So this:
>How come he got the power cores in Gens before Shadow did
Isn't fact. What most likely occurred, is that Shadow got 2 or 3 Energy Cores and powered up first, shot Chaos Spears at Sonic (who dodged them all), then soon after Sonic got 2 or 3 Energy Cores and powered up, using it to boost after Shadow, ramming into his back and draining his ring count, winning the fight. Really, the only reason Sonic one is because, in his empowered state, he just let the energy strengthen him instead of trying to weaponize the energy itself, and he ran straight into Shadow instead of trying to shoot the energy itself at Shadow.

>They can't keep up with him at all when he's at full speed. Period. Nothing you have proves otherwise. You're wrong.
We SEE Tails keep up with Sonic's full speed since Sonic 2, and it's emphasized in Sonic Adventure cause we play as Tails while RACING Sonic, and WINNING. Look, on a straight line with no obstacles, Sonic and Shadow are the exact same speed, while Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream&Cheese are a little bit slower, but still close, at varying speeds. But in an actual obstacle-filled rollercoaster-esque environment, they all possess an equal chance at getting to the end first.

>>172663546
It's a pretty basic and generic recipe. Good for if you want homemade chili dogs for cheap, but you're going to want to tweak the recipe if you want something outstanding.

>>172655365
>it wasn't a total copy-paste.
Most of the levels are copy paste as fuck. Go replay Frog Forest sometime.

>>172664069
The fact that any of these characters can keep up with Sonic is a problem. They have their own traits already, why make them fast too?

>>172654979
You're still moving at least twice as fast as you do in SA2, and that game is hallways and coridors galore when playing Sonic. Seriously, look at the sheer amount of shit they textured and modeled in Rooftop Run alone.

>>172664069
They get afterimages and that's it. There is no breaking of the sound barrier in Advance 2.
>muh headcanon scenario
Sonic got more and won the fight. He has to be faster in order to get more. He's faster. There is no excuse for you left.
>since Sonic 2
More like we haven't seen Tails keep up since S3&K.
>b-but Adventure
The game where Sonic moves slower than a player controlled Sonic when you play as Tails because he pretty much lets you win unless you really fuck up? Nowhere near as fast. Fact.

All these words and you have proven NOTHING that you believe and as such, you are wrong. Get fucked, Sparky.

Thread got real autistic real quick

>>172664545
Gee, it's almost as if it's another "Sparky derails a thread with his bullshit, & people can't stop responding to him" episode.

>>172658203
>You cannot be trusted to ever design anything ever again if you go off model for funsies as a kid several years prior.

Ya'll are retarded. Do you hold Ian in contempt for writing Other M?

>>172662656
Fuck. Off. Sparky.

>>172664763
To be fair, a lot of people didn't really care for Other M.

>>172664763
Some would. A few spergs on /co/ certainly do.

>>172662892
What the heck are you talking about?

Sonic the Hedgehog is the Fastest Thing Alive. This is an absolute fact. It's a truth that I can say ith the utmost clarity and understanding even when if I'm extremely stressed, nearly driven crazy and can't think or speak straight.

But, the franchise also filled with characters who are his dark-incarnation, robotic copy, future incarnation, sidekick, rival, love interest, and the list goes on. Tails was created with the intention of being able to keep up with and share some of Sonic's speed. Knuckles was made with the intention of being Sonic's rival, with powerful strength, and was given at similar speed from the very beginning. Amy is Sonic's Love Interest, and endlessly chases after him day and night. Cream&Cheese...uh.... are Amy's sidekick. It's been officially said that Cream&Cheese are nearly as fast as Sonic, but why this is is unknown to me, at least from a character dynamic perspective. And the list goes on. Sonic is the fastest living being in the entire universe, but most of the most prominent people in his life are either nearly as fast, or a fullblown copy of him.

>>172658818
Every time I see this I can't not see Sally sucking Nicole's nip.

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>>172664871
...yes?
That's the point. We don't judge Ian for making something shitty before doing the comics, why should we judge the artists for their goofy drawings?

>>172664934
>but most of the most prominent people in his life are either nearly as fast, or a fullblown copy of him
You have yet to prove this. You're wrong.

>>172664934
Sparky, don't you come at me with this mess.

>>172658818
Is she supposed to be kissing Nicole's titty?

>>172662838
They are yin and yang, creation and destruction, life and death.

>>172664934
>It's a truth that I can say ith the utmost clarity and understanding even when if I'm extremely stressed, nearly driven crazy and can't think or speak straight.
>even when if I'm extremely stressed, nearly driven crazy and can't think or speak straight.
Sparky, you claim you're not autistic, but I'm convinced you have something.

>>172662667
THE CHARACTER DESIGN.
GOOD SHOES, GOOD QUILLS, NO BANANA NOSE.

>>172665096
She's blowing a raspberry, dum dum.

>>172664436
Your opinion makes it clear to me that you don't truly understand these characters and why they exist. If you did, you wouldn't have that opinion. Your opinion would be that Sonic needs an entirely different cast of characters.

>>172665223
Pretty sure if it's done on boobs it upgrades to Motorboating

>>172665223
Ahhh okay. The mouth looked like it was on her tit. And don't you call me a dum dum, stupid.

>>172665135
Why do you and people like you engage him instead of just reporting and ignoring?

>>172664436
Because Sonic has other abilities that accentuate his speed, which others do not have. Sonic's "speed" is not just about his raw foot speed, or at least that's not how it used to be. Hell, in terms of just raw foot speed Sonic is slower than Mario. What gives Sonic his speed is his other abilities, like being able to cut through enemies without stopping with his insta-shield, chain attack enemies with a homing attack, or swiftly get past obstacles by sliding, ground stomping, or wall jumping. Meanwhile, Tails can fly and Knuckles can climb but both are slower than running. Just because they can run as fast as Sonic doesn't mean they can get through a level as fast as Sonic.

>>172665224
Not entirely different, just take their speed away. Though we could do with scrapping a lot of them. They're kinda taking up space at this point

>>172665336
[spoilers]I gave up on reporting, since it still happens anyways.[/spoiler]

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>>172665354
>Hell, in terms of just raw foot speed Sonic is slower than Mario.
Jump off a cliff and drag that fag MatPat off with you, stupid.

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>>172664342
Bueno.

>>172665432
Then stop responding to these idiots.

>>172664436
>>172665384
>They're kinda taking up space at this point
What, do you want them to die or something? Most of them haven't shown up in a major game in years.

Nobody says Waluigi and Count Bleck are "taking up space," you nerd.

>>172663396
Classic Sonic is too cute

>>172665568
In my defense, I wasn't responding earlier. I'm usually not even around when the thread goes full autism.

>>172658203
>doing extremely stylized things occasionally suddenly means you aren't allowed to do anything else
holy shit

>>172665671
You could probably kill a few in Forces, show that Eggman is done fucking around. Worst case scenario you time travel them back to life

>>172665742
Fair enough. Wish other people would do the same, instead of responding to the exact same word for word shitpost every single time.

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How do you feel that the sonic equivalent of organization 13 is going to be in forces?

>>172665354
Tails' Flight is supposed to allow him to get through a level as fast as Sonic. That's why he was given the ability to fly in the first place, TO KEEP UP WITH SONIC. Yet for some reason, everyone forgets that Tails can Fly. Instead, everyone has convinced themselves that Tails doesn't fly, he floats. Levitates. Hovers. But that is completely untrue. Tails' ability to fly is simply a trait that his creator designed him with so that he has an excuse for being as fast as Sonic as the second playable character in Sonic 2. Tails' flight isn't just simply hovering. It's full blown TRUE Flight. Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5pRYuI3etc
Full on, complete, true Supersonic Flying. Flight is inherently similar to and closely associated with Speed.

>>172665824
That just sounds lame and hard to take seriously. Like shit, am I supposed to mourn Vector the fucking Crocodile? And again, what, do you think the same about Mario and its much bigger supporting cast? Should Bowser kill Daisy in Odyssey to show he's through fucking around?

You're acting retarded. Characters who don't even show up can't "take up space."

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>>172666154
Sparky, seriously, take your fucking autism and go somewhere else.

>>172666215
>That just sounds lame and hard to take seriously. Like shit, am I supposed to mourn Vector the fucking Crocodile?
Some people would, and people lke you would be happy that such a boring and insignificant character is dead. Also most Mario games have characters that show up only once and never again, and they don't have annoying voices

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>>172665671
>Nobody says Waluigi and Count Bleck are "taking up space," you nerd.
Thank you for saying it.

Look, even SONIC BOOM Tails is nearly as fast as Sonic.

http://www.canalj.fr/La-tele/Dessins-animes/Sonic-Boom/Personnages/Tails
>Its double tail allows it to fly like a helicopter and to be almost as fast as Sonic. When he does not use it, he drives a biplane named Tornado.

>>172666713
Yeah, as fast as BOOM Sonic, who's a lot slower

>>172666820
If BOOM Sonic is slower, so is Tails and Shadow and everyone else. Their abilities are scaled to Sonic's. Tails is always supposed to be almost as fast as Sonic. Shadow is always supposed to share Sonic's exact speed. Metal Sonic is always supposed to be built to be superior.

>>172666381
>people lke you would be happy that such a boring and insignificant character is deas
No, I'd be laughing at the fact that Vector the motherfucking Crocodile has been killed for shock value and to "clear the slate." That's some John Byrne shit.

>Also most Mario games have characters that show up only once and never again
Tikal, Commander Tower, Black Doom, Mephelis, Chip, Yacker, the Zeti...
>and they don't have annoying voices
Toad.

Mario's got more recurring characters than Sonic, some of whom are actual fucking recolors. Why isn't Bowser murdering Gold Mario? He's wasting space!

>>172664436
Blame people who whined about too different playstyles.

>>172667331
>No, I'd be laughing at the fact that Vector the motherfucking Crocodile has been killed for shock value and to "clear the slate." That's some John Byrne shit.
See, you'd find some humor in it. You don't care about him anyways, so what's the problem if he dies. They're never gonna have anyone but Sonic, Tails, Eggman, and maybe Knuckles and Amy be used anyways, and people hate the friends. Kill 2 birds with one stone

>>172665949
fuck off retard

> Knuckles is therefore the opposite of Sonic: he is stubborn, loves to take his time and especially very naive. He considers Sonic as his friend but can not help but be always in competition with him.
http://www.canalj.fr/La-tele/Dessins-animes/Sonic-Boom/Personnages/Knuckles

Well, at least they got THAT part right...

>>172667498
>See, you'd find some humor in it. You don't care about him anyways, so what's the problem if he dies.
The problem is that's stupid and edgy as fuck and death has never stopped Sonic characters from showing up again.

You're better off just not using them.

>/trash/posters & Sparky shitting up the thread at the same time

Remember people, report & don't bother responding to them.

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Why is Sparky the Hedgehog so autistic?

>>172666154
Hahaha, what the fuck? Tails is nothing like Superman.

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>wake up
>this thread

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While I'm very fond of the SatAM characters, if they reboot the comic again and have to remove them altogether, I'd be totally fine with that. They do kind of clutter everything (and aren't even written well enough to justify their continued appearances - while I always look forward to seeing the other OCs, like Honey or Razor show up, I've never once said "oh shit it's Bunnie/Rotor/Sally"), and as some people have said, there are existing Sonic characters that already do what they do but better.


As long as they don't get rid of Mighty though, I'm good.

>>172668747
Honey isn't a Comic OC, dumbass

>>172668747
>and as some people have said, there are existing Sonic characters that already do what they do but better.
YOu could fix that by making them secondary characters and actually changing them a bit (Like they should have done). I offered ideas that nobody responded to

>>172668867
>I offered ideas that nobody responded to
Probably because they sucked.

BLUE STREAK

>>172668938
SHIT STREAK

>>172668924
Could you at least say why they sucked or are you just gonna go "IT sucked because it did/because it's different"? Because I at least tried to keep some aspects of their characters while making them different enough from what they were before as to give them new ways to grow/develop (Except for Bunnie, because she barely has a character to work with. I had some ideas floating around about her being like a way to give the reader a look into the life of an Eggman grunt, or maybe make her a childhood friend with a different personality.) The only one I changed super drastically was Antoine, but I still tried to keep the cowardice but do something new with it

>>172662667
Labyrinth Zone if they beat the game, Marble Zone if they haven't. Every time.

>>172668225
I want that mug!

>>172669231
Because why change what doesn't need changing? That's exactly why it got ignored, me included.

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I said it before, and I'll say it again: The StaAM characters lack the charm that most, if not all game characters have. They're brightly coloured, have interesting bios (Shadow is the ultimate lifeform, Blaze is a princess from another dimension, Silver is from the future, etc.) and have supernatural powers (even cream counts with using her ears to fly). What are the freedom fighters? A bunch of bland nobodies all from the same non-canon kingdom with no discernible powers and often, muted color palletes (though that last bit was fixed a bit in the reboot

>>172668924
>making them secondary characters
Okay
>>172669231
Not that anon, but
>make Sally an incompetent ruler, or do a complete 180 and make her a spoiled brat
>make Antoine a manipulator villain even though that already happened in and it was shit
>make Nicole go through character regression and just be a regular A.I., completely missing the point.
And this is just off the top of my head. Those other ideas are shit, and have been posted multiple times already.

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>>172668829
didn't mean to rustle your jims, anon

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I want Sparky to leave.

>>172669421
Oh fuck not you again.

>>172668747
>While I'm very fond of the SatAM characters, if they reboot the comic again and have to remove them altogether, I'd be totally fine with that.
The comic is going to be cancelled period. Anything SatAM is going to be gone.