/ndg/ - Nier/Drakengard General #XLV

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SURRENDER YOURSELVES TO LOVE
NO MORE FIGHTING

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First for low quality memes

Anyone wants to become as gods?

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>same edition as the last one

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DLC WHEN?

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>94% unit data
>All the ones left are rare spawns

>>172596492
The only thing I give a shit about is playing as A2 the entire game. Everything else can just fuck off already.

So does ending E only follow after ending D? Or can it come after C as well?

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2B and 9S ARE FOR LOVING!

>>172596146
>no mention of falling on swords
missed opportunity

Waiting warmly for DLC's.

>>172596271
Not really. I want to stop being a wageslave and start being a neet though. But it's impossible since there's no neetbux here.

>>172596637
Whichever ending you do last.
So both C or D.
In my case I got it after C.

>>172596627
AeiToo is CUTE, I love her banter with the Pod.

>>172596637

Also C. It probably makes more sense to follow after C since D can remove 9S from the equation.

>>172596716
>it's impossible since there's no neetbux here.
Thank Trump, you probably voted for him anyway so it's your own stupid ass fault.

>>172595580
>>172595269

Well that explains it.
I'm the idiot that almost always charged my pod abilities.
I'm stupid, mystery solved.

>>172596798
No one asked your shit opinion.

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Did I miss something? When the fuck do you play with long hair A2?!?!

>>172596917
I didn't ask anyone's permission for a reason faggot.

>>172596757
>>172596804
Wait, don't the pods say that they can only progress with the total data wipe after all YoRHa black box signals are dead? If so, doesn't that mean it has to come after D, because 9S survives C.

As an aside, which do we think is more likely: 9S choosing to go on the Ark or stay?

>>172596698
Fug, I completely forgot that happened for some reason.

>>172597071
Then stop replying to me, queer.

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>>172597046
Fuck I fucked up with the image.......... *.*
Here

>>172597046
You get the accessory for it after beating Route C.

>>172597046
you don't

Maybe theres like an equipable skin for it but otherwise its just short haired A2

>>172597230
>>172597232
Oh, the accessory...I'm dumb

>>172597358
I found it annoying that every time you switch characters, your pod resets.

I used grimoire weiss for all of A and B but when character swapping became a regular occurrence I just stopped because it was a hassle to equip it every single time I switch.

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>Want to play NieR
>Not downloadable on PSN Market
>Have to order physical copy from Amazon that costs 45 dollars and won't be in til Saturday
>Feels bad my dudes

>>172598029
>Not downloadable on PSN Market
What?

>>172598029
GTFO

Do you WANT to be spoiled you fool?

>>172598029
Why not just leave your shithouse and go outside and buying a copy like a normal person would do when they can't download something?

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>>172598185
>>172598217
He's obviously talking about the first NieR

>>172598367
Well if he doesnt' know the spoilers, he should still leave.

>>172598125
The first NieR. Not Automata.
>>172598185
I've finished Automata so I know a lot about the original NieR. I'm just playing it to get more Yoko Taro experience.
>>172598217
Well considering I'll be at classes all tomorrow and work all Saturday, it'd be better to just have it shipped on Saturday

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People here have mentioned they played it. What Stonebite upgrades do you want in Darksiders 2? Just bear Argul in the Crucible and am getting ready to close the book on this playthrough.

>>172597162
>because 9S survives C.
He's not the only YoRHa that survives but they all die.

For all we know ending E happens a few/dozen years after once all black boxes crap out without maintenance or Android Lluminati hunts them down.

>>172599132
I assumed that his blackbox died but his consciousness was uploaded to the rocket.

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>DLC announcement soon
>Persona 5 arriving soon
>Zelda DLC coming out
How can I handle this.

>>172599106
>What Stonebite upgrades do you want in Darksiders 2?
I don't understand the question.

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>>172599393
>was hyped for Ringed City
>now suffering from post Automata depression
I just want to play Automata again tbqh senpai

>>172599393
>DLC announcement soon
I thought Taro said they really didn't have the budget or man power to do dlc well story dlc

>>172599916
Yea he did.
They don't have budget to do meaningful DLC.
Doesn't mean they can't make DLC.

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>>172599581
Okay. Throughout that game you find these little crystals on walls throughout the world/dungeon. You can trade in 3 of them in a combination to upgrade your stats. With all of them obtained you can selectively pump to meet your build. Usually the common recommendation is to just pump up critical hit damage as high as it will possibly go. But some people will recommend Defense or Resistance or other random stats.

It's the one way outside of gear to pump your stats up.

>>172599916
https://twitter.com/SaitoYosuke_Z/status/846983046146506752
It's coming soon

>>172600097
well the game's already retardedly easy if one chooses to abuse possessed weapons, so pick whatever's fun instead of whatever's optimal

>>172598367
Same rules apply, Einstein.

>>172599916
Yoko wants entire fucking expansions for DLC because he thinks like players do.

Squeenix ain't havin that shit. We're getting skins and challenge rooms.

>>172600249
Eh, it's pretty easy and straightforward, though I've had a real issue with getting surrounded. Or elemental damage.

>>172598551
>Well considering I'll be at classes all tomorrow and work all Saturday, it'd be better to just have it shipped on Saturday
Then you aren't committed enough to be here anyway. That's the problem with you millennials: Can't commit. All you faggots can commit to, is suicide.

>>172600738
Jesus christ dude. I'm sorry I committed a horrible sin by ordering a game on Amazon. I'm sorry I'm apparently a leech on the planet for wanting to play the first NieR.
You really did not have be such a fucking prick

>>172600097
Darksiders 2 is so goddamn easy that you should never increase anything but defense unless you need to. It ruins all combo potential in a game with a combat system built for long, stylish, and fun combos.

>>172600738
Like seriously. "Not committed enough to be here?"
I'm sorry, what? I 100%d Automata, got platinum trophy and then Ending E'd my save data and am now on my second run of the game.
But I'm sorry that having a job and going to classes because I want to be able to support myself, resulting in less free time during the school week makes me apparently not committed enough to talk about video games on a video game thread.

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>get a strange call from Pascal at his village
>100% of machine sub-quests complete
god fucking dammit

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>>172600738
LOL what the fuck was that dude?

this is the only game i can think of where literally everyone dies

>>172600863
>>172601095
>>172601141
>>172601334
This is a general where people unironically recommend playing DoD1, so let's not act surprised that somebody is recommending suicide because another person ordered a game online.

>>172601429
Not really. Resistance is still there. /ourguys/ are still there. Pascal is still there.

>>172601429
None of them are alive so none of them die. If you want to count artificial consciousness as "alive" then the pods survive, the machines launched in the ark survive, 9S can go with them and survive.

There's no ending where everyone dies.

>>172600863
Well, at least you apologized. Just don't do it again.

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>>172601480
I know, it's so fucking rude but hilarious at the same time....

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>>172600863
>I committed a horrible sin
>committed

is there anyway to downgrade my pods? all these explosions are annoying

>>172601963
ending E urself my man

>>172596673
you're always in really fast anon.

How do you do it?

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Seems like this is the "being rude" hour...Can we at least treat each other nicely? Is not so hard you know....

>>172601480
>This is a general where people unironically recommend playing DoD1
Those people should actually kill themselves.

>>172601963
What explosions? When enemies die?

>>172602217
Pod A and C when upgraded launch bombs everywhere when charged up, it's pretty lit

>>172602103
Must be a hard life being a thin skinned little bitch all the time?

>>172601480
>>172602138
That anon was rude but, what's wrong with Drakengard 1? I really like it

>>172602556
>Tells someone who's trying to get everyone to be nice that they're a bitch
You are literally in the wrong

>>172602556
What do you gain in being angry and shitting on meaningless things? Someone told he wanted to play NieR and he got shit because of it.....

>>172602813
Not necessarily. He got shit because he wants to be lazy or not committed enough to go out and buy the game. To top it all off he posts the shit here like it's his personal blog.

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/ourguy/

>>172602983
Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself

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>>172603080
I was waiting for art like that.

>>172602983
Idk man you are putting too much thought in something trivial. Said he wanted to try NieR but no digital was available.Thats it. Where do you find the NieR anyway? I don't think they sell it on stores anymore.

>>172603290
Dude, just leave him. He'll carry on for ages if we don't

>>172603212
Is she going to spank Nines?

Is that 6O's voice in the towers?

Is Drakengard 3 worth getting?

>>172603457
I had fun with it, but I got burned out after two endings. I will start it up again, but keep in mind that the combat will get stale.

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I went to GameStop today and asked if they had a copy of Nier lying around. Predictably they did not but the guy went on to check and then tell me that no other store in the state had one either, nor did their interstate warehouse.

fug I hope those rumours of a remaster turn out to be true

>>172603457
Yes, maybe. Did you played the previous ones?

>>172603424
Maybe or maybe she already did.

>>172603452
Don't think so. Initially, I suspected it was Emil.

>>172603641
I want to, but don't wanna emulate. I also wanna play the original Nier but its not on PSN

>98% tutorials

send help

>>172603760
Dude same I dunno what's up with that

>>172601621
>None of them are alive

You shut the fuck up.
Those androids have more soul than you do.

>>172603760
Equip a taunt chip

Man I really hate speedrun challenges, even Nier can't solve my hate for them

>>172603631
When I went to pick up Automata I know the guy working at gamestop pretty well and he gave me a free copy of Nier with Automata because they don't give a shit about last gen anymore.

>>172603757
Well, if you really want to try them, then try them. There is no much to say apart from that. Try amazon. Why not emulate?

>>172603928
They have literally no soul.

Treating machines as living things is a mental disorder.

>>172603631
I'm glad I picked mine up when I did. Was around 13$ used like 5-ish years ago?

Not even sure what compelled me to buy it

>>172604051
How do I even know you're real? You're just text on a screen to me. Fucking piece of garbage.

>>172604051
>Machine lifeforms
>Living Machines
>YoRHa black boxes made from machine lifeform cores
>"not living things"

>>172604051
Being a heartless prick is a mental disorder.

>>172604051
Literally described as being surprisingly plant like (machine core)

>>172604209
>living machines
yeah nah

are you the dingus from the last thread who thought the machines were "biomachines"

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>>172604221
>>172604209
>>172604157
>queers in the thread beg me to be nice
>proceed to shit on and treat each other like they are less than trash
Keep it up kids and I'll singlehandedly rape each and every one of you with rude words.

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>>172603940
Not the original guy, but I did that and I'm still at 98%.

Why are there two taunts in the game (mash L3 and hold square), and what's the difference?

>>172604367
plants don't have souls

>>172604380
I"m just quoting the game.

>>172604442
A2 vs everyone.

Mash is worse because it's cone is smaller and it's just more cumbersome

>>172604492
How do you know, have you ever talked to a plant?

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>>172601621
>None of them are alive so none of them die.
Say that to my face, I will slap your ass.

>Dragon is in the game's name
>Dragons are pretty much irrelevant to story except for that one time they murder everyone in the world for giggles

Taro is a hack, you could literally tell exact same story without dragons.

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>>172604442
One is A2's special, the other is some jank substitute for 2B and 9S.

>>172604508
I don't think I've ever gotten the L3 one to work. Do I need to shine the flashlight directly onto the enemy?

>>172604492
>stray cat

>>172604428
You have to do it as 2B or 9S and play for a bit, if that isn't it maybe die if you haven't already, or ride an animal maybe? Those can be missed I guess

>>172604493
there's a special place in hell for equivocators

>>172604563
http://achewood.com/index.php?date=12082006
achewood told me so

>>172604678
Has achewood ever talked to a plant.
Check that mate.

>>172604563
Just because you can talk to something doesn't mean it has a soul.
See also: machines, androids.

>>172604621
Yup, enemy has to be in the beam

Operator 6O was to pure for this world

>>172604764
>Just because you can talk to something doesn't mean it has a soul.
Yes, but has a plant talked back?

>>172593995
Do the charge attack with bracers and after the rocket punch hits, press heavy attack again

>>172604892
Thank you.

>>172603940
What the fuck that's where they're hiding?

>>172604764
But you don't have to have self-awareness or consciousness to be alive. Plants have life but they don't have souls.
The machine lifeforms may not have souls or consciousness due to the network but they are lifeforms after all. And since YoRHa androids are made from the cores of machine lifeforms the same rules apply to them

Gonna buy a big ol' bottle of whiskey for route C.

Good thing I don't have a firearm licence.

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>>172604632
>>172603760
I might have figured it out, after a bit of googling it seems that there's a tutorial for dying while NOT connected to the network. I'll try it and see.

>>172605068
http://wiki3.h1g.jp/nierautomata/index.php?%E3%83%81%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB
This might help at the very least. Compare with your tutorial list in archives

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>>172605026
>firearm license

>>172604807
Yes! 6O is a miracle of the nierverse. She doesn't deserve her fate.

At what level did yall attempt Emil's first boss fight?

I was doing pretty well around level 60, got him half down then slipped and got one shotted

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>>172605134
Thanks. Turns out I am missing the "die with network off" tutorial, but I can't do that right now since I'm on C.

>>172605162
Not him but, sorry Texas, I have a firearms license.
>State of Commie Illinois

>>172605359
99
I fucked that nigger that with pod. I was very disappointed.

>>172605359
I did at level 99 and it was a joke, next time I do it I will try to be between 90 and 95

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>finally 100%
Swordfish machine took a long time to find, and the coelacanth too. Guess I'll repeat end E to finish it off properly. I'll pick stay this time for D since I didn't the first time.

>>172605359
66
he pushed my shit in

>>172605359
First tried around 70 and got fucked, tried again in the 80's and did it

>>172605502
>didn't pick stay the first time
What is wrong with ouy?

>>172605658
He's machine loving sicko.

>>172605502
I wish I had the patience for fishing

even in the original nier i didn't bother with that shit

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>>172604574
>A2 will never slap your ass and tell you to shut up
Give me one good reason to not Become a God

I just got ending E.
So, when I heard that the game was about the nature of existence, I got pretty excited. I'm a philosophy student, I've read and really enjoy Parfit, and even just today in philosophy of mind we were talking about Searle and whether machines have the ability to think. Especially when the main cast are androids, it would be really easy to analyze a lot of Parfit's questions of personal identity *because* androids can transfer consciousness, exist in multiple places at once, delete memories or have memories added to their consciousness, have the same sets of memories in two bodies have divergent experiences, and so on. Instead, I got a story about what purpose life has, and based on all the existentialist references I think Yoko Taro is pretty clear that he thinks the answer is 'existence precedes essence'. That's a story that could be pretty easily told without androids, and I get that this was always YT's intention, but I'm still a little disappointed with the direction it went in.

Additionally, I felt that the actual script was a lot weaker than the first Nier. I really, really cared about everyone in Nier-- Weiss, Kaine, Emil, Papa Nier, Yonah, Devola and Popola... I was absolutely bawling when Kaine was petrified, or when Emil was saying how scared of dying he was while he was dying, and I really really felt for Papa Nier trying to rescue Yonah with all of his being. In Automata, I didn't get that really at all. I was just sort of along for the ride, and when emotional things happened I went 'oh, that's an interesting development.'

That said, Automata is much more ambitious with its storytelling and use of the medium than the original Nier was, and that game already used the medium of games pretty well. This is definitely the most important game YT has made, even if it's not his best. It's not quite MGS2, but I think people may start to put its name up there when talking about games that advanced the medium.

>>172605658
that's the good end

>>172605891
>This is definitely the most important game YT has made
Pfffffffffffffffffft

Nier will be the crown jewel he carries to his grave. Automata is better at actually having entertaining combat, but that's it.

>>172606090
I ran out of characters, but I think Nier is definitely the BETTER game. Automata is the more IMPORTANT game because of what it does with the medium, but it is definitely not even close to as well-written.

>>172605891
>. In Automata, I didn't get that really at all.

That was the whole point, since everything they did was meaningless.

>>172606090
>nier
>not DoD 3

>>172606090
>Nier will be the crown jewel he carries to his grave
That's not Time Crisis 2.

>>172606171
I can agree with that. But I will say I enjoyed Automata's story most because of its focus on its characters and how it affected me

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>>172605887
Feels bad.
I don't have any, let's end it together

anybody know where giant eggs spawn? I already finished the treasure hunt at the castle quest and somehow only have 1 egg left...

>>172606396
Giant eggs?

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I didn't have any feelings upon completing every ending except y and E. [I've not completed E and Y yet] Could it be that I don't buy into the anime expressionism? (That is, over the top feelings/expression/acting/over-reacting/etc??)
You all seem like dainty flowers that can't handle anything.

>>172606342
That was sort of the problem I had. The characters (especially 2B, the emotional rock that she was) didn't really resonate with me at all. It's this whole story that's supposed to be really emotional and personal, and all I really ended up doing was watching it unfold as a neutral party. Compare that to the original Nier where I was crying my eyes out even just during some sidequests, let alone the important plot beats.

>>172606525
yes. giant eggs
nierautomata.wiki.fextralife.com/Giant+Egg

just need 2 more to max out my missile pod

>>172606573
I don't know but I think that the problem must be you. A lack of empathy I guess.

>>172606573
This anon's weird. Let's kill him!

>>172606590
Well I mean, I can understand it being like that. If you don't connect with characters it's hard to care about the story. But we're all different in how we react to a story

>>172606573
It's a pretty hollow story compared to Nier 1, but how the fuck was Taro ever gonna top that?

The "lol so depressing" thing is just leftover momentum for DoD1 and Nier 1 that people meme to fit in.

>>172606573
There IS fun in letting yourself get sucked into the world of the game, you know.

>>172606794
I disagree, I think the story was well done. I mean it shows that it made people feel emotions about it. And that's one of, if not the most important part of a story

>>172606590
Depends on the person. I really cared and connected with the characters and I found Automata to be overall better than the original, but I can understand your point.

>>172606913
And people cried when the last episode of Friends aired. The bar for making people feel things is remarkably low. I don't care whether it made people feel emotions about it, I care whether it made me feel emotions about it.

It didn't.

>>172607110
Well then that's your thing and that's just how it is.

>>172606794
I like Automata, yeah it definitely didn't reach Nier level of memorable story wise but it was still great, and in every other category (except for OST imo), they got better.

If there's ever a 3rd Nier, I'm sure I'll be just as hooked as I was for the previous 2 games

>>172606794
Well he did top NieR considering Automata is more polished/better and was so much better received by critics.

>>172606726
Those meme quizzes say I am a sociopath. Still, I do not believe it.

>>172606753
You may try.

>>172606794
I "FOLLOWED" the story but was never sucked in. It always seemed like that happened to advance the plot/story/quest.

>>172606847
I subscribed to this model up until the first ending (A). Once I realized that everything that I understood COULD NOT BE what I understood/////related too; My suspension of disbelief was further suspended.

>>172607186
Whatever fag.

>>172607278
I'd argue the climate for reviewers are a lot different now than it was when Nier came out, but they did definitely fix up a lot of the more annoying stuff

I'm starting a new playthrough after ending E, which side quests should I look out for in route A?

>>172607278
I only made a statement about the quality of the story so if you're referring to Automata as being "polished/better' in any other respect then it's completely irrelevant to what I said and are you seriously appealing to critical reception as though it's something I should give a fuck about?

Can androids get pregnant ?

>>172607335
Not him, but it's clearly obvious why you don't feel emotions. Getting angry because someone doesn't validate your opinion is clearly a sign. It's hard to believe someone like you felt something with NieR

>>172607625
Dude, don't respond to him, just let him be angsty in his own space

>>172607465
The quality of the story is subjective.

>>172607595
Only Jackass cause she's cuhrazy

>>172605891
Another thing:
I think one of the reasons I couldn't get into Automata is because it was really, really hard not to compare it to Nier as I was playing. And every step of the way I went 'oh, this isn't as good as Nier' and it sucked most of the feeling I had out of a given scene. It was like I was waiting for the game to be better than what is my actual favorite game narrative and it never did, so I couldn't ever get invested.

I almost feel like I ruined my own enjoyment of the game and as such I've deprived myself of something that would have been really, really good and I can't stop beating myself up about it.

>>172607625
Thanks for the really weak armchair psychoanalysis but his original reply to me was as much an expression of frustration that someone didn't share his opinion as what you're accusing me of. Likewise, his second reply to me was a blatant case of having nothing to say but needing the last word, hence the petty barb I sent him in response.

Now he's replying to you because he needs further validation by having someone else agree to end the conversation.

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>>172607692
I know but It's getting annoying

So I remember people asking about how many satellite bases there were and not knowing anything.
I got my world guide today and just started reading it and what do you know the answer was right there at the beginning.

"There are a total of 13 military facilities deployed as orbital satellites. They consist of 4 high power laser satellites and 9 military bases. The Bunker was designed as a military base exclusively for YoRHa units. Furthermore, it would serve as a communication relay server for the Council of Humanity on the moon.
Construction completed on September, 11938.
Entered operational service on November, 11940."

There you have it.

>>172607787
>critics like it and it's better in metrics that you weren't discussing
"wow those sure are some weak arguments"
>oh yeah well it's just ur opinion
k

>>172607595
how android get pragnent ?

>>172607938
He'll get bored and do something he actually enjoys with his time soon enough

>>172608032
Well... huh
You know... that thing adults do, "sexu"

>Emil finally gets to join Kaine and Nier in the afterlife

At least, one of his clones anyhow.

>>172608032
they must do way stain commander who kill their android who can't frigth back

>>172608008
Interesting. So at the beginning I thought there were multiple Bunkers, as the intro statement about a network of bases implied (or at least I thought). But this means there aren't multiple Bunkers?

>>172608494
That means there are 8 other bases floating in space.

>>172608726
But they aren't like the Bunker or affiliated with YoRHa?

>>172608395
So Emil, Vivec, and Kain walk into a bar.

>>172608395
That wasn't a clone. The real original Emil dies there. If the weapon story stays true then maybe the clones still continue to exist afterwards.

>>172608395
Read the description of the Emil boss fight in the unit data, the bike Emil was the true one.

>>172608494
Correct. There is only one Bunker and only YoRHa personnel are on it.
However there are 8 other bases as well.
They could be a full staff of non-YoRHa personnel or maybe a mix but it's not specified.
I'm willing to bet they're non-YoRHa completely though.

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>>172608489
I tried to find the entire thing online and wanted to appropriate it for the rest, but couldn't.
Laughed nontheless

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>Least Wrong Edition
The same as last one......OP pls

>>172608836
>The real original Emil dies there.

Emil didn't die. He just dimension-shifted to our Earth and made a game developer go mildly insane.

>>172609187
>mildly
Automata is easily his least insane game yet.

>>172608008
Any other cool stuff from the world book? Sucks it will never be offically translated.

>>172609019
>>>/f/3230102

>>172609229
I'm reading through it just now.
If I read anything interesting before I go to sleep I'll post about it.

Anyone have a link to the trainer? I've been fighting Master Servo for fucking 45 minutes. He's level 50 and I'm level 19 and this is getting my nowhere at all.

>>172609224
Well, by traveling to our Earth he caused everything to go insanely insane, so the mildness of Taro's insanity only seems less insane.

Our dimension has entered the Taroverse and established a paradox. We're doooooomed.

>>172609332
Just come back for him later. You can do it during route B and it's stupid easy.

>>172609301
Thank you, anon.

>>172609332
Can you not just switch to easy? I really don't give a shit about using trainers but this doesn't seem like a trainer worthy situation. Just come back later.

>>172609401
Yes the problem here is I don't want to die or spend hours killing him since I've already wasted this much time.

>>172609428
Its not difficulty its how much goddamn health he has and how little damage I do with the level difference. I can easily kill him if I spend a couple more hours just picking away.

>>172609517
How much goddamn health he has and how much damage you do seem like they are things that are probably altered by the difficulty setting, and in that regard it has quite a lot to do with difficulty, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

There's a lot of shit in this game that feels unfinished or not fully thought out. What's up with the Resistance in the later stages of the game? Their camp gets wrecked but then everyone's fine when you go back. After that they don't even give a shit about the massive tower thirty seconds away from their camp entrance.

What was the deal with A2 in the Forest Kingdom? Did she just sneak around following you the whole time so she could killsteal the baby? A2 in general felt like she needed more time. Why did Taro recycle that ball machine like fifty fucking times? Why does upgrading pods take farming so disproportionate to everything else? I only upgraded a single pod once by the time I finished the game but I had like twenty weapons maxed out.

The difficulty in the game makes no sense. In normal a boss is going to hit you for about a tenth of your health while in hard you're getting one shot without defensive chips or items. Not that any damage short of death matters when you can instantly heal to full health with cheap as fuck items from a pause menu. Then there's all this shit with 9S and his hacking that disrupts the flow of combat to let you trivially execute almost any enemy in the game. It's a shame that he gets so much time when his playstyle's so boring. All the shooter sections are mindlessly easy except for the literal end of the game, which also hands you a win button.

Back to the story, none of the twists seemed that surprising or crazy. Most of them were previous knowledge if you played Nier or readily apparent before they were revealed. Game was still fun though.

>>172609606
Well tried it and made practically no difference.

I just watched the play along with reading the translation here:

http://nier2.com/blog/yorha-stage-play/

It was a wee bit hard to follow since the translation shifted from having line by line dialogue and just giving broad summaries of the scenes, so some of this stuff is a little hazy to me. One thing that stood out however was this Seed character. She gets introduced as someone whom A2 cared for because she cheered her on during her training. Then there's a scene where the Commander catches Seed talking to A2 about the humans on the moon (keeping with the lie) and the Commander pointing out it's useless for A2 to be talking to an older model like Seed, who then suggests A2 should meet her again some time which annoys the Commander. Then we find out shortly before the Pearl Harbor descent A2 was informed of Seed's death, who died in an experiment where the Commander was basically blasting EMP at her until she died because "we have to collect data."

And this kind of confuses me. This Seed person claims to have fought alongside humans and having gone to Earth three times, so I'm willing to conclude the claim to have fought with humans is bogus because we know they never escaped Earth. Which would also mean that Seed is actually maintaining the front of humanity being alive, so I don't know why the Commander would suddenly snap and try to murder her in that experiment.

Do we know more about her? Did I miss some parts of the play that make it more clear or is the translation in that regard busted/incomplete?

Side note: The play also mentions the Androids being built with fake memories just like in Blade Runner. Is that also stated/implied in the game somewhere? I don't remember there being something like that.

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Does Taro retire now? Apart from SINoALICE, I don't think he will make another console game...

>>172609841
Can't you just accept that Taro is a hack

>>172609783
Summarizes my feelings fairly accurately, yup.

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>>172609783
>9S playstyle is boring

This is my way to spot someone who is not good at video games!

So the wiki's fishing page mentions certain fish being found in an "Underground Lake" in the City Ruins. Is it referring to the spot at the bottom of the caverns that lead to Emil's house?

>>172610126
9S playstyle *is* boring though. Hacking is far and away the strongest thing you can do to an enemy, and it's trivially easy. In exchange, they took away a button for melee combat and made his only actual attack button really floaty and unfun.

>>172610126
I agree with him, 9S fighting style is poor as fuck. You can't do the thousand combos you can with A2 or TB

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STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY GOD DAMN SAVE DATA

>>172610285
You do know that you can heavy attack as him, right?
His movesets are fucking god-tier and damage output is great as well, hacking is something you do if you're desperate or lazy.

>>172609841
Seed could be so old that she fought alongside replicants.

>>172610428
>9S is easier than 2B
>If you don't like him you're bad at videogames
????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>172610395
>Rimanah

This quote again, deja vu!

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>>172610428
You mean equip a heavy weapon right?

>>172610285
>>172610296
You got cucked by Taro. Taking away 2B and her fun playstyle was his plan all along.

>>172610431
>>172609841
Now that I think about it, she could be so old she fought against Legion. DevPop has been around that long.

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>>172610285
>>172610296
t. people who don't use spears or bracers on my boy Nines
Those weapon sets are some of the most fun things to play with in the game.

>>172610552
Dash + attack, my dude

>>172605162
What's wrong with that?
It ensures that legal gun owners know how to safely operate them.
It's not like it's a hassle to get one, afaik all you have to do is go to the police and answer a few questions about gun safety.
The real problem is restrictions on the guns you can own. I don't think you can own anything bigger than a hand gun unless it is manual loading.

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>>172610639

>>172610552
Nope! It's a combination of dash + attack button thing.

It sure must've felt dreary to just spam one button-combo all this time, eh? Try to experiment a bit more next time!

>>172610552
He has light and heavy combos for all weapons. Dodge then attack, or Attack, Delay, Attack again for heavy combo.

>>172610496
Not him, but yes. 2B is more fun. What I did was not use hacking. At all. Unless it was mandatory.

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Guys, I just got Ending B and I'm already crying. How fucked am I?

>>172610721
They literally mash square and triangle respectively and think that is more fun. They are missing out on 9S.....

>>172610815
Extremely if you continue to read this why the fuck would you read this

2B dies. The credits are the last boss.

>>172610639
Those also are my weapons of choices though.
But what I'm saying is that by removing the heavy attack by hack they took off many and many crazy combo you can do such as all the mid air combos.
Also nines doesn't wear the gloves, it's killing it for me

>>172610915
But you DO have heavy attack as nines, you know?

>>172610815
I almost wish I were as emotional as you.
Get the hell out of here before you get spoiled.

>>172610815
LEAVE NOW

>>172610579
She could, but then it seems like a waste to kill her. The scene makes it pretty clear that the Commander intentionally goes beyond what she could bear.

>>172610976
How?

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>>172604407
>Muh manly non-pc response
>Reaction image of a pretty sjw guy
That's like 3 or 5 levels of irony my man.

>>172610126
>>172610639
His attacks are boring, slow, and just waves it around in the air. Double bracers as 2B/A2 is where it's at.

>>172610976
I do yes but doesn't that still make one button less compared to the other?

>>172611139
It seems more like getting rid of a loose end. There's no data she has that the rest of them wouldn't know, she's outdated, and she's telling secrets. There's no reason to keep her around.

>>172611186
>Double bracers as 2B/A2 is where it's at.
My fucking nigga

So here's another thin I learned from the world guide. There's a line that implies that hacking isn't unique to S models but some consequences of it are the reason why only S models use it.

"Through a Scanner type's hacking function, one can access a machine lifeform, control it and destroy it. Using a remote controlled machine lifeform as an intermediary it is possible to hack another. During hacking there is a high probability of meeting resistance. In the case of failure there is a danger of the user's artificial body malfunctioning. Because there is a danger of logic virus contamination only S models are allowed the use of this function."

So that would explain why A2 could hack in the library. The restriction was lifted by Pod 042.
But I assume all the cool features like subjugation, detonation, and remote control would still be impossible for her.

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>>172611189

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>>172611186
Scanners are not made to fight. He still does a pretty good job.

>>172611186
I played the beginningng of the game with bare fists in both slots on 2B and holy shit it was fun.

>>172608836
>>172608857
I forgot to read the unit data for Bike Emil, but I remember the Emil Heads said that the original Emil disappeared a long time ago. Can I get a text dump for the unit data?

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Goodnight /ndg/ !

>>172611956
Good night

>>172611352
Haha, I didn't do double slot nor much of the game with bare fists, but boy did I enjoy it. 2B's barefisted animations are great.

>>172611956
Goodnight. I'll be turning in shortly, too.

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>just got ending E

I'm absolutely drained. Normally, this is the part where post-game depression kicks in for something that was so damn good but Persona 5 is right around the corner. For the first time in a few years, I actually don't have enough time for all these vidya gems.

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>>172611549
>but I remember the Emil Heads said that the original Emil disappeared a long time ago
Did you read it wrong? Its specifically talking about what happens in the sidequest and battle in the game. The vehicle Emil is the true Emil.

>>172612043
Level 2 of the Emil Heads weapon:
>[10/15/12422] "I was spawned about a week ago, so I don't have clear recollections of anything before that. Say, I wonder where the Original disappeared to all those millennia ago..."

It could also be likely that this "true" Emil is possibly the most complete clone left.

>TheDarkId started his last LP, automata.
Good man, looking forward to what his theories on stuff are.

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PLEASE HELP

I cannot get Emil to change his inventory no matter where I stop him.

>I stopped him outside the Desert Camp.
>I stopped him at the City Ruins: Near Factory save.
>I stopped him at the entrance to the Resistance Camp.

No matter where I stop him, he just sells chips. I have chapter select unlocked and I'm trying in Chapter 13. Is this a bug, am I doing something wrong, or is it completely random?

>>172612295
That entry is 500 years after the end of the game. The clones don't remember who the original is. The true Emil didn't realize he was it either. He passed away after remembering Kaine and what he was fighting for. There wouldnt be any point to calling him the True Emil in the intel record if he wasnt the original. This sidequest conclusion is basically letting the original Emil be put to rest after 8000 years of being alone.

Here's another nice tidbit. Gives a specific date for an event in automata.

"Human Heritage Preservation Record:

On July 7th, 11945 during local hostilities a section of the city collapsed. An underground cavern which had always been there resonated and collapsed due to the explosion of a Goliath class machine lifeform. Plans for rebuilding and a budget have already been completed. However because of the need for an underground survey the schedule has been postponed."

>>172613157
It's also equally likely that Bike Emil regained memories that are shared between all Emils, thus leading him to believe he's the true one. Plus, the fact that the original Emil disappeared thousands of years before the game even takes place makes it unlikekly that any one Emil is the true one.

Not that it matters much, considering none of them will have a rocking skellington body.

>>172613279
Oops I meant April 7th.
Sorry

>>172602078
He's fast!!!

>>172613087
Did you try talking to him twice? I ran into this problem too and after clearing out some chips (cuz my inventory was full) and talking to him twice, he changed his inventory

>>172613456
I'll try that right now.

>>172613087
It's also dumb luck, I had the same shitty chip loadout like four times in a row before he brought out the good stuff.

>>172613279
>>172613363
Notable events in WW2 on April 7th 1945:

The only flight of the German ramming unit known as the Sonderkommando Elbe takes place, resulting in the loss of some 24 B-17s and B-24s of the United States Eighth Air Force.
The Japanese battleship Yamato is sunk 200 miles (320 km) north of Okinawa while en route on a suicide mission.
Kantarō Suzuki becomes Prime Minister of Japan.

>>172613087
Talk to him once just in case, I doubt that's a factor but might as well, then save at the resistance camp and reload until he spawns on the route infront of the camp and goes super fast with very sped up music. It can take a while, but that's really all it is, dumb luck.

>game froze during Eve fight
God fucking damn it now I have to fight the giant testicle again.

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>>172601570
>Pascal is still there.

Maybe for others.

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are the artbook scans out yet?

Doesn't the ending imply that the network of machines have left Earth in the Ark? Does that mean that all the machines have either been deactivated or de-linked from the network like Pascal?

>>172613343
>thus leading him to believe he's the true one
He never says anything like that though. Only the intel tells the player that. There's no way for the clones to know if the original disappeared or is among them because of how many clones there are, even the original would probably doubt himself.

Anyways, read the short bits of translated material of his encounters with the aliens if you haven't yet:
http://nier2.com/blog/2015/12/13/nier-drama-cd-the-space-war/
http://nier2.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=124&pid=4024#top_display_media

It started with a silly story. From the first encounter he made 430 clones and forgot to merge back in to one. Then by 100 year after fighting the aliens he had already made 85,943,258 copies.

>>172614149
Yes, the earth is machine-free after endings C&D.

>>172614216
Emil Heads say that the network rebuilds some time in the future

Do you guys remember the Stamp collecting quest? There's one machine sexually attracted to them and he fucks them in front of you.

>>172601570
Who are /ourguys/

>>172614216
It's network free. The machines that are still there are still there; they're just not networked

But in about 500 years they're gonna manage to reform a new network, or the Ark is gonna return.

>>172614149
>>172614216
N2 destroyed itself and the consciousness of Adam&Eve left with the ark, but there is still shitloads of machines everywhere. It's really only a matter of time before a new network forms and everything starts all over again to be honest

>>172614286
There's no way of knowing what dimension accord pulled those out of though, so it's inconclusive as regards endings C and D.

>>172614337
Yeah I did it a few hours ago, that quest was hilarious

>>172607875
Not either of those guys but you're just a dickhead. It was clear you were a dickhead since you claimed that all the people who were moved by Automata are just conforming memesters. You're a prick.

>>172609937
Now he gets the the good will to make a shmup
then he flies back to his home planet

>>172614149
They are going to make a new network

>>172609937
After how well Nier: Automata did, he probably has a lot of goodwill in SE to do whatever he wants. Not like he wasn't doing that before, but I can foresee them giving him a bigger budget or putting him at the helm of their next AAA title.

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>all these autistic 1v1 fox only final destination combo vids
>90% of the combat in the game is against groups of mixed enemies with bullets flying all over the place

>>172605891
>It's another retard who was spoonfed how deep Nier was by Loremasters and will 180 his opinion in a year or two when Loremasters spoonfeed him again

Reminder the canon ending of Nier is a magic super computer going off the rails and being defeated by Kaine and Emil, and Kaine somehow pulling a new Nier fucktoy out of it and that the Shadowlord, Kaine, and Emil all met before the original Nier and Kaine just so happened to name her dog Shiro.

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>>172606351
I WANT TO WASH HER NOSE

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>>172607278
>Well he did top NieR considering Automata is more polished/better and was so much better received by critics.

>>172615134
>Shadowlord, Kaine, and Emil all met before the original Nier
Not that surprising desu considering Emil and Kaine were both valuable military projects and Nier only runs into Kaine in passing because he lives in the same city.

What are commander's bwh measurements?

>>172610815
Man, I felt really good about myself when everyone was congratulating me.

People LIKED me, I SAVED everyone.

We were gonna go save the WORLD THIS IS THE BEST NEW GAME+ EVER!

TARO FUCK YOU YOU SONOVABITCH GODDAMMIT

>>172615021
Most enemies die too fast to kill them with fancy combos, and most players don't play like that anyways and just go for whatever is easy or more efficient. Kind of wish enemies had double or triple the hp in higher difficulties. Maybe only playing with level 1 weapons would be better, and avoid leveling too much. There should have been a chip or debug menu option to stay at level 1, but the game has bad scaling and your attacks will only deal 0 or 1 damage if level difference is too high.

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>>172615440
enjoy

>>172615702
WEW
E
W

Man bullets are the purest bullshit on hard

>>172605891
>and use of the medium than the original Nier
I'm not sure I agree with that. Most of it was just retreading ground that Nier did better. None of the areas have the unique flavor of Resident Evil Mansion or Text Adventure Forest, and nothing is as bold as forcing the player to read a 30-minute long novel section about the childhood of a supporting character at the start of route B.

Not to mention laying the guilt of murdering the game's enemies at the player's feet, and reframing basically everything you've done in the process. "2B was actually sad" is peanuts in comparison.

The [E]nding of Automata is a masterstroke that will probably end up being Taro's legacy, but I don't think it's enough to call the game's use of the medium more ambitious. More seamless, maybe, but I don't play Taro's games for the polish.

>>172607856
I feel the same way, but the responsibility doesn't really fall on us. The game recycles powerful, evocative music tracks from the first game and plasters them on cheap thrills that blatantly imitate scenes from the first game. The game constantly sabotages your attempts to take the game on its own merits.

>>172616108

Eh, the first one was probably more novel, but Automata does its genre shifting so much smoother, and makes them fit better.

For reference though, I felt like the original fell flat a lot of the time. I appreciate it for its dedication to novelty, but a lot of its aspects, gameplay and narrative, felt contrived to me.

>>172616013
Like seriously. I think it might be worth it just to farm for ranged defence +8, but it looks like no one has any idea where to find the damn stuff

>>172616108
While I agree with some of your points, I also feel that Automata has its own unique merits and I feel one of its greatest strengths is in how compelling the antagonists are in Automata. Route B of Nier certainly does a lot to make you emphasize with the Shade bosses, but the Shades as a whole lacked the overall cohesion and theme of the machines. Most of them were just tragic people in tragic situations, and while that's sad and it's neat to be able to empathize with them, they lack compelling motivations beyond "we're monsters but not really, but everyone thinks we're monsters."

Automata does the "oh you feel bad for the machines now don't you," in route B as well, but it actually subverts the expectations of people coming in from the first Nier because emphasizing with the machines was never the point, and in fact a lot of the things you learn about the machines in route B serve to further detach both the player and the player surrogate (9S) from the behavior of the machines, and goes on to instead explore the nature of the machines and androids instead of focusing on "oh we're gonna make you sad now for killing these enemies."

N2, despite being a pile of Drakengard references, is probably the most well-developed and subtly characterized antagonist of any of Taro's works.

>>172616108
What 30min long novel

>>172617018

I feel like Nier 1 was just trying to be sad, and structured its story around that, while Automata took the time to introduce more interesting ideas, and the story developed from that. I guess neither is better than the other, but Automata certainly felt far less openly manipulative.

>>172616370
Fliers in the Forest. They are so rare you will kill yourself.

Why did the network send ten trillion robots just to end Pascal again?

>>172617523
Wanted to see how Pascal would react.

>>172617523

His voice was annoying.

Any descent nier 1 longplay with sidequests and shit?

>>172617018
>>172617257
Have to agree with this, Nier purposely went out of its way to be as depressing as possible, but it worked. Automata is more about the idea of the soul and existentialism in a trans/post-human post-apocalypse and is structured around that concept accordingly. It had more of a concrete theme rather than "Man ruins everything for his daughter / sister!"

>>172617380
Mmh. I think i'll be done with hard mode then, unless they introduce DLC with level scaling, enemies that need in depth combo to defeat and proper ways to farm chips.

Scrap Dragon at the end of A/B and bullet spam bipeds at the start of C suck all my motivation away, especially since hard is just a self imposed challenge.

>>172617523
Pascal's existence itself and everything that happened to him was just one of the countless experiments N2 had going. At the end they wanted to see what would happen if they forced him to betray his own beliefs and use violence

>>172616108
>The game constantly sabotages your attempts to take the game on its own merits.
Maybe it's a mistake with trying to make it more accessible for people who has not played Nier.
Which worked for me because I never really felt that I should know about something. Except the library. That was really obvious for some reason.
>>172617576
I hope you played the English version, because not liking Aoi Yuuki is just wrong, period.

>>172617871
>not liking Aoi Yuuki is just wrong, period.
This

>>172617850
Right, it makes sense thanks

Replayed some earlier parts of the game today. The on-screen text while hacking was unreadable. Noticed the 1.06 patch, the other day. Is this perhaps an April Fool's joke?

>>172616365
Which genre shifts did you feel were contrived or unfitting in the original?

>>172617018
No argument that Automata has its own unique merits. I would give it an 8/10 at the bare minimum overall. I was just agreeing with the other anon that it -felt- like a worse game than it actually was because it kept inviting unfavorable comparisons to Nier.

The idea that the antagonists in Automata are all non-characters that are meant to represent facets of a more complex character, N2, is something that I'm warming up to, but I don't know if that excuses how weak those facets are individually.

The Shades' motivations in Nier was to live. It's a simple motivation, but a powerful one. It's easier to imagine even literally who Hanzel and Gretel living day to day than Beauvoir or Whalebot who seem to just exist as boss fights.

>>172617257
Nothing in Nier was as openly manipulative and laughably "ARE YOU SAD YET" as the mass child suicide because the living embodiment of tragedy-bait TAUGHT THEM TO FEARRRR.

I think people oversell the level of SAAAD in Nier because of how striking some of the setpieces and the route B twist were. Nier was full of shenanigans and jokes and positivity.

>>172617689
Nier's theme was "why do good people do bad things".

>>172617871
I am genuinely jealous. I would have probably been blown the fuck away by Automata if I hadn't played Nier.

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>>172616108
>The game recycles powerful, evocative music tracks from the first game and plasters them on cheap thrills that blatantly imitate scenes from the first game.
So you're saying that the things in automata are just a pale imitation of a game that had genuine soul?

>>172618436
I was. But now I really want to play Nier, but I'd have to drop something like $150 for a used PS3 and a copy of Nier.
Maybe rpcs3 in a year or so.

>>172618436
Considering how much of the first Nier Automata does spoil you are way better off playing them as god intended

>>172618362
>It's easier to imagine even literally who Hanzel and Gretel living day to day than Beauvoir or Whalebot who seem to just exist as boss fights.
Actually I have no idea what Hansel and Gretel were even doing there in the first place. My guess is that they were stationed there as guards to keep any literal who replicant from running off with Weiss, but that begs the question of why Popola and Devola would even send Nier to the shrine to kill two of the humans the androids are programmed to love. It felt really videogamey, which isn't a good thing when you're trying to humanize these gatekeeper bosses.

It's actually really easy to imagine how Beauvoir lives her day to day life. She practices her singing in the opera house. She's hunting down fellow machines and androids and decorating herself even further. Like all machines, she repeats the same actions over and over despite never meeting success, and it's only by stripping away the layers upon layers of her false understanding of beauty that the inherent contradictions of her actions and existence dawn on her.

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>>172618436
>I am genuinely jealous. I would have probably been blown the fuck away by Automata if I hadn't played Nier.
I have never pre-ordered a full-price digital game until this one comes along, and I'm usually too tired/jaded for games.
Its amazing how Automata BTFO every single thing I've expected, it felt like experiencing fresh oxygen in polluted China mainland.

>>172618362
>TAUGHT THEM TO FEARRRR
This has to be something from the english dub, because there was nothing overblown about the delivery in japanese.

>>>/wsg/1618821

Just got the Engine Blade. This is probably the best Easter egg in the game.

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>got Automata ending E 5 minutes ago
I want my emotions to end

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>>172619314
Are you me?

I felt like I just watched Evangelion for the first time again, I wish I was 14 again to get full kick outta this ride.

>>172618362

>Nothing in Nier was as openly manipulative and laughably "ARE YOU SAD YET" as the mass child suicide because the living embodiment of tragedy-bait TAUGHT THEM TO FEARRRR.

Nah, plenty in Nier was equally melodramatic. Shit like Frya or the merchant brother's deaths are pretty dumb. The difference is Automata's melodrama also serves a far more interesting theme. There are only so many ways you can contrive a situation where good intentions lead someone astray, whereas exploring the nature of simulated consciousness gives far more opportunities for interesting scenarios. So yeah, the children's suicide felt somewhat emotionally manipulative, but it was an interesting development that added something new to the games overall theme.

>Emile goofy shop song has the same lyrics than Emil's Sacrifice
welp

>>172619663
>Emil sacrifice has the same lyrics as Emil Despair

>>172619621
Ehh. In my case taro was barking up the wrong tree trying to make me feel bad with dead robot kids. I just didn't care.

They're not actually kids they're just mentally handicapped robots pretending to be something they're not like a tranny or fursuit faggot.

>>172619764

I don't think you were really supposed to feel bad for them as much as you were supposed to feel bad for Pascal.

>>172619391
>M-muh XV Engine Blade
How is a simple weapon cameo the "best easter egg in the game"?
There is nothing special or interesting about it, it's just a reference to a kinda crappy game (that by the way did way worse than Automata despite having quite literally a hundred times the budget) the team was forced to put in by Square Enix.

>>172619764
>human hildren are actually just mentally handicapped midgets

>>172619840
>a kinda crappy game
No no don't worry anon they're gonna patch in a decent story any day now its all good.

>>172619764
Anon you weren't supposed to feel bad for the children, the sad part was the breaking of Pascal. The climactic part of that story was when he followed you out of the door stating in a very matter of fact manner that he would smash them to pieces and kill every single one.

>>172619887
here's your (you)

>>172619572
I unironically bought that game because 2B's ass though.
Regardless, at least I know I can experience something great for the first time again, and I know you can too. You just gotta believe.

>>172619204
Hansel and Gretel were in charge of guarding Weiss, but they came to make their station their home. They made friends with the other shades living there, and managed to find peace and satisfaction in their eternal vigil.
DevPop did it because they needed the book. Their priority numero uno was the Gestalt Project.

Further, shades are not actually humans. They are one half of a human. Without Weiss, there could be no unifcation, and without unifcation, there could be no humans.

>>172619317
It's not the delivery of the line. The entire situation just begs to have that screamed into the camera as the character shakes their fist at the cruelty of life.

>>172619621
This basically boils down to Nier having characters and Automata having a collection of individually named thematic devices. I guess it comes down to which you place more importance in.

Also, what was dumb about the merchant brother's death? It's been awhile, but iirc, he died because they were scavenging parts from an incredibly dangerous environment.

Fyra's death was sudden and shocking, but we later learn that it wasn't as sudden or random as we thought. I'm not sure what was dumb about it.

>>172619840
Unique moveset, changes your dodge, and changes your interface. It's pretty involved for a throwaway reference.

>>172619983
this, during that fight i was legit screaming STOP PASCAL STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

>>172619980
They already had that Chapter 13 patch. It was barely anything at all.

But don't worry, here, have an hour long shoddy Dark Souls rip off as DLC!

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>>172620048
>thought it was over
>he hijacks a fucking Engels

pvp dlc when
i want to kick the shit out of you faggots

>>172619983
If only Taro could have let that moment stand on its own two feet instead of throwing a room of dead kids at us to get those tragedy points.

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>>172605501
How do you get so high? Im lvl 66 right now and lvling takes time.