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Sybil is broken as fuck - Edition

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Old thread >>172505530
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>sybil is broken as fuck
What happened to all the retards when she was first announced?
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>>172514478
>expansion got alot of control support
>now there will be even more dshift

wooooow
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>>172514564
Sybil being good relates to how ramp dragon now has insane amount of healing
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>>172514564
>dragon is absolutely broken
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So i have been gone a while. Whats the buzz with the new cards?

I have been playing for honor and diablo 2.
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Neutral ramp dragon has better selfheal than fucking elana. What the fuck?
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>>172514597
Dshift got some stupid good support in Lou as well
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>his favourite girl isn't Eris
>he won't main Haven this expansion
Might as well kill yourself
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>>172514564
I remember when I said that people was retarded for ignoring HEAL AND RAMP in a single card, and what the general did?

>LOL DRAGON
>LOL INCLUDE ME IN THE SCREENCAP XD
>LOL DRAGON GETTING GOOD CARDS

Bunch of retards wouldn't recognize a good card even if it slaps their face
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first for broken cards
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>>172514671
Eris is the worst girl by far, and I refuse to every play with her again.
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>>172514640
Nothing out of the ordinary
It's just that I've become IMMORTAL
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>>172514648
it also costs like billion vials to make.
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>>172514564
Shadow shitting their pants.
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/ourguy/
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>>172514564
Waiting for winrate stats to come out before they start having opinions.
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Didn't get any replies from last thread. These are my pulls, and I have 35k vials. I also have most relevant cards from previous sets. What decks and cards should I craft?
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>>172514640
Too early to say. Expect more one sided matchups though. Either meta will derange into a new broken deck outshinning sword unga/roach win% or it will be full on rock paper scissors.
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>>172514564
>>172514605
>tfw Dragon has more healing than Haven because of Sybil, Oro and Israfil
Should I become a Dragonbro?
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Aegis is completely fucking broken LMAO /svg/ is LITERALLY NEVER FUCKING RIGHT
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I HAVE ASSEMBLED IT


THE FORBIDDEN ONE
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What the fuck am I supposed to do with this shit?
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>Shadow is totally dead guys


Never believing any of you.
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>>172514564
No Dragon player said it was bad. The general consensus was that it was a good card that every ramp deck would play, but at the same time it alone wasn't enough to make our bad match-ups good.
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>>172514760
>dropping hot opinions long before card sees play
>NOW they are waiting on the stats
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Roland confirmed broken. Allows sword to survive One Punch Man.
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R8 my pulls, this is from 76 packs.
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>>172514807

EXODIA!!!!
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>>172514803
Turn 9 do nothing dies to nothing
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>>172514803

I dunno brah. I've been applying the /svg/ memes and hitting the face to win via burn. Cyclone is a card you know. You don't have to drop on curve if you're not faced against a deck that spews storm.
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not today tribunal
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Has anyone actually managed to win a game with deepwood anomaly? It seems kinda niche.
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>>172514605
i can't think of any good reasons for sybil or ouro to have so much free healing other than cygames trying to force dragon into the meta

im playing mid-range and there's no way to keep up with them at all, they heal when you get the big dudes out, or get enough empty points because you can't get any dudes out fast enough to even ping them


does cygames envision a future meta consisting of d.shit and aggro proof control decks that 45/65 against d.shit?
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>Ramp up and build my mammoth board
>Ramped my neptune earlier
>Play pucewyrm and Neptune together
>They smash dat mf concede button
This is your seacraft t7 for tonight. 25/28 in 5 bodies.

>>172514226
Neirid gave curve neptune consistency, Rahab gave a better t3 play than leviathan, sibyl gave more consistent ramp and much needed healing, nest gave draw, heal, and pp filler, mammoths let us sock pp away for the tempo swing, scyther gives cheaper removal that's more reliable than serpent's wrath, Pucewyrm is a toss a nest to force the opponent to blow removal or it builds behind wards to get them into lethal range
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is Otomeme viable or dust?
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>>172514887
Bloodfags need to be culled. They are even worst than Albert now
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>>172514935
Supposed to.

Roland stops him however.
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>>172506472
>>172505613
Shit list. Mine is better.

>no Fervor
You need fervor. Maybe even 3x fervor rather than 2x. Fervor is your only card draw

>ivory over BB
man, you're really gonna regret it when they play Alberto and you can't clear his board.

BB is just more flexible as a 1 drop anyways. A 1/2 is not going to make or break the game in this style of Ramp.

>Date
I used to run him but now Scyther is better.

>Forte
This isn't storm ramp, your goal is to outlast the opponent. Forte is irrelevant. Might as well grab Zeus instead, or genesis.

>Dragoon
The only reason you ran ID in old Sahaluci ramp decks was to clear the board for Baha to hit face. Now we have Grimnir for that. And Ouroboros. And Zeus. No reason for ID anymore when there are better options. Sure, you can't one-shot people with 7 card ID into Baha, but it also means you have burn options besides throwing your whole hand away.
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>>172514998
Wait until Gawain is fixed. Then we'll see whether she'll see play again
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>>172514708
Oh, is it that egg amulet? i saw a deck that had that and mammoths. He still lost to my hybrid blood deck from last expansion.


Btw, did blood get anything cool?

A lot of the new stuff looked weird, but i read it rather quickly, so i probably missed it.

So far saw moon+baphamet and snakes, but it looked clunky.Death mask looked like a cool insulation against burst while you set yourself up in vengence, but I feel like with 3 copies it is probably pretty inconstant.
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Would Roland and Ouroborus be safe cards to craft?
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Did anyone else get an inordinate number of animated cards this expansion? I opened around 25-30 packs.

No animated legos, though.
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>>172514821
We expected people to run aoe to melt boards. They have not
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Havenbros, your take on Aegis?
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>>172514965
Even DS can have a hard time against Dragon because of all the storm and they can generally afford to just play nothing and ramp because it's not like you're threatening them early.
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>>172514998
With the ease of getting 4 tokens with Catacombs I think he's legit
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>>172514803
I called it, at least against Dragon. I don't have enough experience playing other crafts to know how it'd be against them.

As Dragon you're fucked as soon as it hits the table. In general, the slow ramp decks can't pressure the hag enough to make her use her removal, so when you do ramp and start dropping your big followers, they just get themised and banished every single time.

And then Aegis evolve kills off your non-Bahamut big follower and you lost.
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one roar is worth a thousand words!
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>>172514764
pls respond
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>>172515059
Yep.
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>>172514935
After 7 games I managed to pull the dream combo t8 wolf into t9 AFD, Anomaly and elf butler. Opponent had no aoe removal so I won.
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Fucking hell these blood combos
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hi reddot
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>>172514816
Use it in Guardian Sun and watch her become a brick as you never draw the amulet.
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54820

Concede pls for mission
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Need a concede senpaitachi 24201
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How long until the Dragonhipsters switch to Shadow and post images of crying Luna and mordecai memes?
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>>172515128
It's fucking day 1 of the expanion
Do you really expect answers?
Just get what you feel is going to be good and play memes until the meta is set.
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https://twitter.com/sv_Shino/status/847342517926285312
It seems Ginger has some potentials.
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Private match concede 20474

Don't forget about me because it's release day pls :3
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>Got half of all the cards for the more expensive deck types.
now to craft sibyls/ouros and one Isra, 2 Belfegors and blood moons, or 3 Gawains.
Think im gonna wait day or 2 though.
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So guys, what deck can I make :^)?
Fucking 57 packs of fucking nothing. I should probably just quit the fucking game and self myself the pain.
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>>172515248
concede me after
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>>172515218
Thanks fellow Vampy.
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>>172515304
Aw, I would've loved an animated Mage of Dragonlore.
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>>172515246
The downside of storm not working goes away when she dies?
Lmao
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>>172515220
How about never? I play the crafts I like no matter how bad or good they are.
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Winning with ouroboros is the slowest shit ever.
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>>172514803
>>172514916
>>172514923
>>172515119
you can use it as a win condition for Heaven Control
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>>172515002
I don't think that there is anything that matches the cancer that was Alberto Barbossa except for D-Shift, which is still hanging around, and Daria vomiting followers left, right and center.
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Wait, did they just give everyone free 750 dust? AGRS is Wyvern Cavalier, so no point in ever keeping that card.
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>>172515248
thank you golem vampy senpai

>>172515318
no probs senpai, and wish me luck with my 4k gold im about to drop on this expac for some juicy legos
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>>172515238
*sigh* Fine, I'll just farm brewers with Daria until the meta is established.
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>>172515304
Wow
Hit you even worse than me
I just ripped 20k vials
Gonna unpack the legos in later packs not gonna cry over it

>>172515210
Someone pls
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>>172514792
Haven is far better. The only thing you can lose to is D Shift.
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My lego haul from 48 packs, not bad.
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>>172515429
>*sigh*
Fuck off back to wherever you came from
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>tfw don't get your neptunes

>>172514851
How's control forest working?
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Memesters of /svg/

I decided with the power boost Atomy decks have gotten that I should make an image about that. Only problem is I am not creative enough to think of what the replacement for Elana would be.

Any suggestions?
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Well it's by the hush, me boys, and sure that's to hold your noise
And listen to poor Paddy's sad narration
I was by hunger pressed, and in poverty distressed
So I took a thought I'd leave the Irish nation

Here's to you boys, now take my advice
To America I'll have ye's not be going
There is nothing here but war, where the murderin' cannons roar
And I wish I was at home in dear old Dublin
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>>172515021
You need Dragoon for a finisher. Ramp Dragon often end up with 7/8 card on it's hand because you can only play 1 card per turn.

Also, Saha Luci isn't good anymore. I just use Israfil for board clear and Zeus for single target.
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i could use a concede or play it out and concede when you win, or just play it out until I win, idc

86336
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>>172515448
>Gonna unpack the legos in later packs not gonna cry over it

I don't have any reason to believe later packs will be any better.
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>>172515545
We get it, you're a weeb who can only listen to dubs
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Orthrus is so good.
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>>172515002
Blood is nowhere as cancerous as current dragon
Hang yourself
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>>172515528
It's not really control forest. It's plain tempo with JKWolfbolt as a finisher.

Didn't have vials for Aerin or WoTF,but Vist is annoying to deal with.
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>>172514998
She's still a meme card but there may come some interaction we didn't think of.
As-is, you can be a spicy memer. Play castle on curve, gawain ramp your leonidas to get him out t7/8. You can then otomemer for 17 face, 19 with evo. If you have a cd and an evo to spare, you can play swordsman to kill a ward and OTK when otomemer pops it.
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How the fuck do you get your dailies done if you're new and didn't stay jerking around at rank D?

I can't even get any wins in unranked with the crafts I don't have the current T1-T3 deck for. Fucking Christ I've used up my cellphone battery trying to get 4 wins and I HAVE ONE FUCKING WIN AFTER TWO HOURS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>172515665
>t. blood player
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>>172514803
>aegis
>broken
>ever getting to turn 9
>ever getting to attack on turn 10

Catacomb is a straight up better bone chimera, also.
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Is discard Dragon viable yet?
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>>172515740
full blown control deck
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>>172514702
This animation is hilarious. But holy fucking shit does it completely cuck aggro.
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>>172515763
No. Still a lot of fun.
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>>172515624
You have 3 damage overkill, wouldn't you have gotten him killed regardless of orthus?
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>>172515763
See >>172515624
Nope. It's getting closer though.
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Is Nepnep now completely gone? Can I vial Nep now?
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So how dead is shadow right now?
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>>172515665
>>172515413
Blood is uncounterable because they are too consistent. They are strong against aggro and faster than ramp dragon. Mid Blood is essentially ramp Dragon with no ramp so it never brick
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What's the best control deck atm?
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>>172515797
>>172514702
it could possibly be the best animated this expansion
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>>172515846
Super fucking alive. Midrange with Eachtar as a finisher is sick as fuck
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>>172515721
Consider rerolling. If you already clocked in too much time on your account to make rerolling worthwhile, then uninstall. If you are still unhappy then, commit sudoku.
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>>172515840
She just mulches on 20% of her matchups. She's basically dshift lite. Still fine
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>>172515586
Thanks!

sorry i didn't rush you down faster. did they fix it so you cant concede or did you need the 20 unique players still?
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>>172515840
It still wins just as much. It just has a hard match againts dragon.
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>>172515814
He was at 10. An evolve and Mimi give me 9 damage. I attacked the follower with a ghost to open up space for Orthrus, thus giving a ghost another +2
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So I'm not sure if this is intended behavior, but when Luminous Mage is played with Support Canon while there is an enemy in play then it won't trigger support canon twice if the enemy dies. In other words, it won't hit face. However, if there's still an enemy in play or if there aren't any in the beginning then support canon will go off twice.
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so, does aegis counter wards? i still got no answer to it from anybody

>>172515846
they enjoy prince catacomb's stuff into eachtar
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>>172515910
It's been a month but in a game like this that's still rather new. I wouldn't have legendaries for most crafts yet, just the 2-3 I like playing.

Oh well. This fucking blows.
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>try out aggro shadow with prince and orthrus
>go 6-2 only losing to haven
breddy gud
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>>172515721
What decks do you have? also do take 2
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>>172515950
Open a support ticket
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>>172515721
Just switch out the mission for classes you don't have decks for. Taking the 20 gold mission is better than something you can never finish.
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>>172515808
Requoting for new thread, bunch of cards have extra voice lines now, but I don't know how they're triggered.
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>>172514965
Dragon is just broken now as i expected.
Heals through any kind of aggression while deleting everything and warding up until they can play turn after turn of bullshit while having a answer to pretty much any scenario.

The powercreep in totg is insane, it's not just dragon.
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>>172516091
I had a 20 gold mission for a class I never play and rerolled it into a 4 win one. Kill me.

>>172516039
Fair point now that we're done saving for the expansion again.
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Returning after a break. Pulled this from what I had. Did this set do anything good for Sword? Last thing I played was Daria or something.
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>>172516104
Ah that's why some old cards suddenly have english voices while others are in japanese.
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>>172515878
Anything with Dragon. Ramp into turn 3 Rahab to fuck over aggro decks and then play all your big shits and eggs while healing at the same time.
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>>172516192
>Daria
>Sword
Just go back on the break.
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>>172516192
>all these bronze and silvers
literally who cares
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>>172515530

Nobody responded so I went with this. Now I feel like I should've tried more, but eh, I doubt anyone would care either way.
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>play a few games
>remember why I dropped it in january
Private arena is the only thing I'm going to play from now on
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>>172516192
>Did this set do anything good for Sword?
We won't know until Gawain gets fixed.
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is Luminous Standard the new Royal Banner?
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>>172516192
>Did this set do anything good for Sword?
Yes they got what seemed like the best legendaries actually, but one of them is bugged and is not playable atm so we need to wait and see until that's fixed.
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Ehehehe
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>>172516318
I wish to see the return of otomeme,
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>>172516152
That just isn't true. Dragon still loses to D Shift and other combo decks, and it went from having a 50/50 with Haven to autolosing to it.
All dragon really got is smoothed out ramp and anti-aggro. If you're playing a scumbag aggro deck (i.e ends at 5), try something else.
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>>172516154
I have been playing for 2 months and never used real money. Right now I have 3 competitive decks completed and I can craft another deck if I want to(I'm saving it up for whatever the new meta brings). I played mostly take 2 for a long time, you get tons of stuff with ti.
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>>172516104
Yurius also has one which refers to "Dancho-dono" which means boss or commander. It probably refers to Albert.
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Do I craft Hector or is it a shitty meme card?
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>tfw you clutch the win thanks to second best girl

>>172514640
blood moon is cancer
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>open 53 packs
>get 3 legos

fucking kill me
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>>172515784
truly a broken deck
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Dragon pretty much has everything now.
>massive heals
>7 damage storm
>card draw
>unique ramp mechanic
>multiple full board clears
>giant wards
>AoE banish

Forest was pretty overloaded too, but will of the Forest is no where near as good as breath of the salamander and needs to combo to do insane damage with Roach or silver bolt.
Dragon can just plop down Forte and boom over 1/3rd of your life is gone.
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>>172516374
Dragon loses to the most basic aggro decks, even heaven storm. It has become better againts control and mid range though.
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>>172516404
I have a theory that might trigger if you're playing bloocraft versus sword or vice versa and one guy has Yurius in play and the other guy plays Albert

Someone should test this out in private matches
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>>172516523
You're out of your fucking mind
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>tfw you aren't even playing an aggro deck and you lethal Haven through their Grimnir, Cudgel, Lion Spirit curve

Catacomb is the best Shadowcraft legendary.
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Ramp dragon is probably still not the best deck, but it is the dumbest and easiest.
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>>172516487
And is still shit, I wonder what is lacking.
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>>172516401
I'm doing fine outside dailies too but there are still three crafts that make me want to kill myself with their dailies.
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He finally did it.
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>>172516104
>>172516404
Azazel has one I don't remember hearing before but it doesn't refer to anyone. Maybe Lucifer?

"You and I are different. Allow me to prove it."
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>>172515857
You might be right about that. Baphomet is pretty much the Gobbu of this expansion.

>tfw just got snek'd
>tfw I had no more aoe clears
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/svg/ post them win streaks.
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>>172516523
>Dragon loses to the most basic aggro decks
>with a shitton of healing that has now
Yeah. No.
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So to recap the first day of this expansion

>Sibyl is really good for ramping up

>Ramp Dragon basically heals more than Elana at this point

>Sibyl, Irasfil, Ouroburus, Lucifer, Fervor and Eggs healing makes the aggro match ups trivial and one sided

>Midrange/Aggro Shadow got amazing an amazing finisher with Eachtar

>Blood Snakes also is one sided versus many decks, Blood Moon is really good

>Forest, Sword and Haven seem to be the least exciting classes right now, everyone is testing other shit

>Haven Aegis seems to be a great match up versus Ramp Dragon

TLDR;

If you hate Daria/Sword, play ramp, you will win 9 of 10 times, your healing is absurd.

If you want to prey on ramp, Haven and Dshift seems like great options

Blood and Shadow are balanced and really good decks all around, truly midrange and not """"""""mirdrange"""""" sword type

If you don't have many vials, probably your best options are Midrange Shadow, Sword, Daria and pray you don't run into Dragons or Havens.
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>come back today after i see the update
>haven't looked at new cards much
>fuck it, I will just run my old bloody mary deck and see what the new meta is shaping into
>play 5 games, see one new dragon deck that uses egg and mammoth amulets, but it seemed wildly inconsistent
>the rest are old haven decks, only one had new tech cards
>go 4/5

What should I expect down the road?
I play mostly blood, haven and dragon, but a little of the others on the side.
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howd i do? about 70 packs
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kinda funny how 24 hours ago every shadowfag had given up and expected to be shit tier
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>>172516634
He directly refers to Lucifer in the Japanese version, so yes.
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>>172516523
Dragon is actually pretty weak against the best control decks now. It basically occupies a combo niche where you can try to kill people a little slower than real combo decks (like shift or roach) but before turn 9.
Blood will sometimes autokill you at 6, and Haven WILL beat you at 9 every time unless you kill them before then. Dunno why you think dragon is good against control, if anything its control matchups got worse.
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>Bloody Mary into double Soul Dealer for 20 damage
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>>172515996
>so, does aegis counter wards?

No. I half expected it to just ignore wards, but has no choice but to slam through wards if it wants to get to the face.

>mfw I thought the aegis could ignore wards
>mfw it can't
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>>172516718
How many Hectors do I need for a midrange shadow?
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>>172516637
>Try snake deck
>Bapho cost 2pp
>Gobu now in the deck
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>>172516612
Runecraft is one probably as if you don't have either merlin/d-shift or daria it is unplayable.
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>>172516767
Wards really don't matter for haven. They're always going to have more removal.
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>>172516718
I never gave up, just switched to aggro. You can't play your big ass aoe banish if you don't get to turn 10.
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>>172516718
I thought I'd be playing Minty combos
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>Go for the Hulking Giant dream
>three earth sigils
>Buff him the turn after with Pascale
>Lightning Burst'd

Yeah dirtrune is fucking dead
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>>172516523
No fuck off
I was playing Unga Blood earlier today and most dragon players wrecked my shit
You have Rahab and retarded amount of heals, there is nothing you can do against dragon as aggro blood at the present time.
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If there was anyone here playing aggro shadow and played a spartoi Ward and unica, I suggest removing it in favor of something else.
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>>172516670
By the time healing comes they lost.
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>>172516860
You should be hitting them with it on 6. Unless they have the ramp they get like 1 every 50 games, they won't have enough to LB right away.
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>>172516329
i'm trying to make something like it, but the problem is that you can't draw Luminous with Maid since it's an amulet without trait
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>>172516759
>5 cost baphomet to reduce cost to drop 2
>somehow throw 2 baphomet before taking any damage before turn 7 at the earliest

I don't see this beyond memeing, man.
But i did just look at the new cards, so i might be missing something
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>>172516815
Forest is one as well. I don't have any of the golds.
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>>172516718
I looked through that thread where the interview was posted, and I'm convinced half the bitching in there actually just came from a single autist.
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Is Atomeme great again?
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>>172516759
i had this happen to me earlier i laughed and thought fuckin nice well done
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>>172516824
post dick
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>>172516767
i see, ty!
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>>172516329
No. Can't fetch it and commanders have iffy statlines with there being better alternatives to standard
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>>172516238
>>172516257
Why what happened?
Never really tried Sword, or Dragon wanted to try something new.
>>172516318
>>172516351
Oh that sucks. I just want to build a new deck to be honest.
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>>172516674
It's not even possible to test all of Sword's stuff because of Gawain but with Dragon actually being good now Sword might be shit this time around since you won't be able to ignore all the healing to just go face and Salamander Breath will still clear all your shit. Rahab stops any early offense and Roland just gets shit on because of Bahamut and Lightning Blast.
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man its going to be a pain in the ass doing dailies
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>3 animated Owlcats from packs
If only he wasn't a meme. He's adorable.
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HOLY FUCK not even bahaumt can destroy the heavenly aegis. wtf do you do against that card??
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skeleton rush
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can I get some advice on what I should do to this deck please
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>>172516927
that neutral gold card that draws amulet??

I mean, is not the same as maid but its something
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>opponent is just playing an unchanged aggro sword deck
>lethal on board for me, his only out is to topdeck albert
I don't even need to finish this post
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>>172516943
Desert rider is still a shit card. Eachtar is the one that carries shadow.
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>>172516446
Eachtar is shoving people over. It's like tempo elf, as long as they don't run a hard coutner deck at the cost of their other matchups you're fine.
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>mfw master rank is nothing but dragon right now
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>>172517062
Nothing
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>>172516905
From what? When I'm dropping Sibil with healing you're still around T4. Fuck some aggro didn't even get me under 10 health.
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>>172517058
>tfw octomeme
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>>172517062
Nothing
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>>172516487
>massive heals
I'll give you that
>7 damage storm
Not quite IKUZO though
>unique ramp mechanic
That's worse than spellboost
>multiple full board clears
Literally every class has that though
>giant wards
Rahab is Giant now?
>AoE banish
Yeah, pretty great too.

Dragon isn't that great, just not garbage tier anymore. It does well against snake blood, but loses really hard to Heavenly Aegis.
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Siegfried got a new voiceline, anyone know what triggers it?
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>>172517062
You lose? It is not different to the other "I win" cards in the end of the game.
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>Dragon became the cancer
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>>172516718

I'm not gonna lie, I did give up. Then I pulled an Eachtar off of my very first pack ToG pack and he was like

"I know you want to meme with Death's Ledger, brah, deep down in your heart, so that's why you're going to pull all three right now"

So I got back up on my horse and started memeing. Ledger is actually pretty legit sometimes. It's not top-tier insanity, but I wouldn't be surprised if it became the face of budget decks for shadow dailies like Otk Newt is for dragon.
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>>172517062
The best is when they use that card that forces you to fight it or you can't go face with aegis.
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>>172516759
15 you mean
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>>172516718
Were those actually shadowcraft players? I assumed they were just shitposting dragonfags. Nobody who actually plays the class could look at a card like Catacomb or Orthrus and think it's bad.
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>>172517135
Play him when the other guy has Fafnir on the board, probably.
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>>172517093
japs are off work
dragon was the most hyped up deck for the expansion
just run them over with demonlord
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>>172516487
As a Dragonfag I can't help but worry that Dragon is going to end up on the chopping block now.
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>>172517183
Dragon really isn't the cancer
Once people wake up to what aegis can do (especially with test of strength), they'll realize this
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What is the best Forestcraft deck around this time?
Is purgatory fairy still playable?
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>>172517204
its 20, happend to me earlier i was very suprised
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Ayy, only needed around 40 packs for this. Wouldn't liked a Ginger or another Big Guy, though.
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>>172517062
Real answer: Ward and go to face, hopefully before it is able to do anything else. Kill Eris before Turn 9 is a thing, snek memes, d-shift shenanigans, seraph lapis glory be.

Otherwise, pic related.
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>>172517119
>Lose really hard against Aegis
It's 50/50. If you can't ramp obviously you gonna lose. If you can drop Oro on turn 6 they lose.
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>>172516905
>8pp on turn 5, play lucifer
there goes your aggro
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>>172517235
Why? It's getting run over by everything but aggro
Or are you saying everyone plays aggro? Yeah, fair enough
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>>172517246
shh dont tell them that
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>>172517119
>Rahab is Giant now?

Well from my experience on Masters today, basically versus Sword I drop Rahab on t3 (after ramping) and my opponent either sacks all their early game or gets denied 5 damage and proceeds to get cleared anyway the next turn.

Aggro/Midrange Sword is really fucked against Dragon this time, stalling till turn 9 albert does jackshit because your opponent will be over 10 always because of the healing
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>>172517183
who is surprised
this happens in every ccg
>class/color/decktype is underpowered to the point of being a joke
>devteam doesn't know how else to balance it if not by giving class/color/decktype a bunch of broken shit
only wozards has gotten significantly better at this
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>>172517292
nvm
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>>172517329
Because they can't just banish it with their millions of banish options?
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>>172517329
>drop Oro on turn 6
>they banish it
???
Even assuming they don't have a banish, Oro is 3 damage a turn with removal, which haven always has, if they can't handle that level of damage until 9 they're a pretty awful player
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> get 2 of each dragoncraft legendaries
> main forestcraft

kill me
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Thanks Rowen for not realizing that I was 1 damage off.
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Is test of strength needed in every control deck? Storm followers make me tilted.
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Quick, I want to Atomammoth! Send list!
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>>172517246
Nope, it's cancer. It's an autopilot deck for retarded monkeys.
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>>172517070
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>>172517458
Well if you're losing to it you're worse than a retarded monkey, then
It has a number of very obvious counters. It won't be a top tier deck.
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Post your legend pulls, boys.
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>>172517329
I'll say this as someone who played the Haven/Ramp Dragon match up as the Havenite, beware of banishes. Baldy and Bible Black are able to banish it away before Complete Global Saturation could be an issue.
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Can someone check Fangslayers voicelines? i get a feeling that Him and Date have an interaction.
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>>172517438
>Not realizing
The fuck do you think he could've done?
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>Only managed to get 1 lego out of 20 packs
>It's deepwood anomaly

JUST CUT MY LIFE TO PIECES
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>>172516991
I did in the last thread, but i'm still switching cards around. Netted an 8 winstreak and got to A2 with it.
Hidden cards are 2x DoD and 3x Cerb.
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>>172517408
Oro is unique because he is hard to banish. They need to ramp something with less than 3 attack into Oro and those card can easily be cleared with Oro fanfare. If they use an evo to ramp Oro then it is dead. You can also drop Israfil/Poly Roar and they will concede. Just drop a big minion every turn and it will stall their Aegis forever
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>Control sword will dominate the meta
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>>172517496

I have no clue for pure aggro blood in this current environment. Chaos ship is an insane card though. Makes your field scary and makes more of your topdecks burn cards.
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Any changes you anons did on Nepnep Shadow? Aside from ledger.
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>>172517183
That's a funny way of spelling Blood.

Ability to tutor sneks is real. Good luck trying to get rid of five bodies that collectively have 25/25.
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That windraider zeal card is actually really good defensively and offensively. It gains 4 4 and you give storm to a 2/3 drop when you just get your evolve to clear. It probably replaces dragon warrior
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>>172517581
>Poly Roar
What rating is this? D?
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>>172517438
you had one more evolve to use you autist
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>>172517528
>all those animated legos
>only six total
How?

See >>172517302 for mine.
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>>172517408
Dragon doesn't need Oro to defeat Haven now they have Zeus and Forte. They just storm your ass before they even put Aegis.
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>When you steal a game from a guy who deserved to win thanks to a topdeck
Orca's really pounded the board. Motherfucker cycloned the turn before a simalacrum showed up. Salty as fuck
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>2 full rounds of Arena
>8 Shadow 2 Sword
Remind me not to play during jap hours.
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>aegis to bahamut

Fucking cancer.
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Snake blood is genuinely Dorothy tier shit, possibly fucking worse. I even see people doing Soul Dealer on fucking curve for the ideal pull. You can run 3 Soul Dealer AND 3 Belphegor, then all you need is that tutor fucker and you have a turn 6 full board. Only thing that beats this is Themis. Jesus Christ.
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>>172517621
>just themis it, bro
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>>172517329
Seems easier said than done.
Every Haven deck I've played against today has had Acolyte's Light to deal with Ouroboros, or even just suicided an evolved Snake Priestess into Blackened.
They can also easily run a bunch of cheap wards that won't die to Salamander, and can easily deal with the Ramp style of dropping singular big guys every turn.
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>>172517528
90 packs.
Please tell me belphegor is usable. At least I got all bronze and silvers for TotG.
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>>172517431
>maining a craft

you deserve to die bitch
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How many special ineractions are there

all i know of is Siegfried and Jeno
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>>172517519
>Well if you're losing to it you're worse than a retarded monkey, then
No, because in addition to being braindead easy the deck is also very strong.
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>>172517581
>Just drop a big minion every turn and it will stall their Aegis forever
Literally only Bahamut and something like Servant of Darkness can do that.

Otherwise you're just going to have an evolved Aegis coming for your booty after killing it off.
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What is the best Forestcraft deck currently?
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>he doesn't play KElana
>he doesn't main Eris
explain yourself
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Will bloody mary still see use or is she outdated now?

Here is a topdeck lethal from today
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>>172517649
>storming
>against haven
Have you never heard of guardian sun? Hell, they even run Test of Strength now.
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>>172517687
Jolly Rogers and Simone. Someone try it with Simone and Alwida's Command.
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>>172517661
Forgot to add Blood Moon works too, of course. So you can optimize your deck to have 9 vengeance activators out of 40 cards if you really wanted to. Rest in peace the rest of you who aren't laddering with snake blood
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my stuff from opening 52 packs

not bad, but i wanted to pull blood cards and pulled dragon ones instead/
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>>172517621
Why do they keep making tutor cards? Didn't they learn from maid leader and goblin mage that giving a deck TOO much consistency is a horrible idea?
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>>172517681
good with serpent decks
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>>172517431
>> main forestcraft
you think that with the new lego control forest
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>>172517528
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>>172517619

>ledger

I thought that it not be an applicable card to all nepnep builds, specifically the ones that run a lot of shadow cards in their 2-drop and X-drop curve?
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>>172517687
Masamune also says "A Dragonslayer? this will be fun"
Not sure if that's directed to Fangslayer or Siegfried.
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>>172517645
I was blown away too, man.
The only shiny legos I had before this are luci, dragonsong, and fafnir.
My SO did most the rolling. They got that mad luck
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>>172517767
I gave your mom's pussy too much consistency
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>>172517615
You mean this thing right? I want to get it in, but I don't know what to replace for it. As much as Lancer bricks for me sometimes, it more often than not is a crucial 5 points of damage.
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Why did I get only 1 legendary from 30 packs? Fucking Jew company cygames
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>>172517693
But it isn't. That's the point. You want to beat it every time? Play haven.
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Well...just played against a p2w faggot who had that "Oh hey, every fucking legend possible from new expansion." neutral dragonshit deck.

Good fucking luck with that. It's broken as hell.
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>>172517681
Serpent seems pretty obnoxious right now. Haven and Dragon can deal with it pretty ok, other crafts kinda get fucked.
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>>172517754
You're basically listing off every ideal scenario as if they happen all the time. If you ramp and get out followers early they can't play Aegis because they'll have to keep healing or clear the board with Themis. Dragon was actually favored against Elana in previous expansions and Guardian Sun is a shit deck that only works if you draw right.
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>>172517875
>He thinks I didn't scrap my entire collection to make luci ramp.

jokes on you. Nuthin personnel, kid.
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>>172517635
AA, I like Poly Roar because nobody expect it

>>172517694
You are not suppose to drop them on turn 9. As I say, if Dragon can't ramp up and drop their minions early they lose.
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>fine tuning Luminous Standard memes
>go into a game
>its a Bahamut at turn 6 episode
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>>172517754
That would be problem for any other class but Dragon. But Dragon can always drop Baha before you can drop Aegis unless they Brick.
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>>172517801
Yes I don't see how can I fit that card unless I want to break.
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This kills the blood moon shitter
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>>172517767
My guess is that in their attempt to minimize the role rng plays with tutoring, they went too far in the other direction and made it too consistent/strong. That or they didn't really catch how consistent the tutoring effect is in the first place.
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62 packs is this good?
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>>172517528
I just got elf queen and sibyl waterwyrm from 10 freebies.
Is sibyl any good for dragon?
>>
http://shadowverse.nge.io/

Are we finally e-sports?
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>>172517987
Crown on top of already insane amount of selfheal.
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>>172517619
Don't bother. Try out an aggro shadow or mid range shadow deck. Orthrus, Soulsquasher, Prince, and Eachtar are great cards.
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>>172517848
>But it isn't. That's the point.
Yes it is you sub Masters retard. You probably haven't even played against correct builds of the deck.
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>>172517925

This was literally in Beginner 2 nigger :-/

Either this games matchmaking is shit or that's sum fucking bullshit.
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>>172517062
You kill the hag?
>>
We need more alternate cards so I can use a deck full of waifus instead of icky yucky boys.
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>>172517687
Vania and Veight have unique interactions now.
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>>172517959
>bullying Vampy
Fucking asshole
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I'd need a concede please.

55414
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>>172517964
10 legos for 62 packs is pretty good, m8. It normally takes about 8 packs to pull a lego, theoretically.
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>>172518017
Well looks like it's time to melt Nep for Dragon cards then.
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>>172517070
Airjammers, Baphomet and Temptress.
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>>172517964

>nothing for neutral dragonshit ramp lifegain

Might wanna reroll your account bud

>>172517987

It's fucking great for it.
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>>172517841

Like I said, no clue. The scary decks that I've seen that aren't GOAT into Sneks.dek seemed to have more of a vengence-based midrange vibe. Since I haven't seen it firsthand I can't offer specific deckbuilding, it's also a little pricey unfortunately since I saw at least x2 bel.
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unevolved animated simon is pretty funny
>>
GUYS

OUR /GUY/

Envybaer is streaming RIGHT NOW
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cute! CUTE!!!!
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>>172517528
>animated Bel and Snek
Im so jelly.
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>>172518065
What the fuck? I've never, ever come even slightly close to that average in any expansion
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>Dragon flute is literally tier 1 this expansion

WHAT IS FUCKING GOING ON?
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>>172518019
>correct builds
>day one

anon pls
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>>172518001
10k prize pool!
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>>172517767
Everyone gets one except for shadow
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>>172518001
|The NGE Shadowverse Open will only be available to players in the North American region.


I HATE BEING A YURO
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Ambush sword is the way to go.

Vagabond Frog is so obnoxious.
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>>172517959
>vampy
no wonder he lost. he was aggro playing pretend.

Only Urias can control control blood.
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>>172518056
Thanks old man.
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>>172518134
How does she looks? has she ever posted a pic of her?
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>>172517932
Just show me a webm where you do that.

For the most part it goes like this
>You ramp
>No minions apart from Aiela that may or may not banished, or maybe an Unica or some other useless shit like that
>Fervor/Sibyl
>You're 3 mana ahead
>Meanwhile they opened with plea and whatnot and are sitting at 9 cards
>Drop big minion
>Themis
>Drop big minion
>Banish
>Drop big minion
>Themis
>Drop big minion
>Oops it's Aegis time
It doesn't work unless you have pressure, and you don't ramp AND have pressure without playing something like storm ramp. They have nothing to spend their removal on and are just waiting for you to drop something to spend it on.

Turn 7 Bahamut does nothing when it just gets Themis'd every single time.
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>>172517270
>can't clear 4 5/5s
>can't dps through 20 points of healing by turn 10
>can't compete early against crafts that don't spend all their resources producing 1/1 tokens
forest is trash.
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Is this game turning into rock-paper-scissors?
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I hate how now even rune can counter poor ambushcraft
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>>172518223
I always wonder why no one on his Twitch chat ever says he's a fucking crazy tranny

I'm convinced a ton of its viewers are only there because they assume it's an actual girl
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>>172517904
Could I please get some help? I'm pretty much out of vials and stuff to vial, I can maybe liquefy 1-2 legends and some animated silvers, so mainly just sticking with Silver or Gold cards.
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>Play nep for dailies, win 4 shadow
>Win them easily, only lose once
>Against another nep

So this... is the power... of /svg/'s predictions... wow...
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>>172518238
It already was one since last expansion
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Patrician Tier

>Miko Dragon
>Blood Snakes
>Eachtar Shadow
>Haven Aegis

Fun Tier

>Ginger Explosion
>Atomeme Shadow
>Cannon Pantyhose Sword
>Anomaly Forest
>Fate Stay Night Haven

You're don't have vials or imagination Tier

>Daria Rune
>Albert Sword
>Seraph
>Roach Forest
>Nep Shadow
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>>172518205
Post dick, my dude.
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https://twitter.com/darkness_mare/status/847348458071572482

Dshit in style.
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>>172518271
She has a girl voice, doesn't sound like a guy at all.
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>still 2 hours of work
REEEEE
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>>172517528

>Double Dark Jeanne

Well fuck.
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3 Thanes 2 Hectars or 3 of each for midrange shadow?
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How outdated is this?
Just created Roland cause she's waifu material.
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Feels good stylin on snake nerds
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>>172518349
>Miko Dragon
I like how that sounds.
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>>172518349
I'm playing Tyrant shadow aka No Vials Eachtar
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>>172518349
How do I eachtar shadow? I want to be a patrician.
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>>172518172
Neither have I, but I think that some anon crunched the numbers a few threads back and, mathematically, for every 8 packs, you should be able to pull in a lego.

That wasn't my experience and it looks like it wasn't your experience either, but that's how the numbers break down.

With how some of the other anons are able to pull in more legos than the calculated average, I'd say that luck and favorable probability plays a role in their pulls.
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Sums up my experience today.
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>>172518349

You didn't include my Tyrant's Ledger deck.

Where I use Ledger to pull Tyrant and then put him in hand with Rise of the Dead so I have 5 cards that can translate into a Tyrant.
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>Rune and Forest are the only decks people AREN'T complaining about now
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>>172518349
What's Miko dragon? Ill play it i don't care how bad it is.
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>>172518259
Just glad another solitaire deck is getting shat on.
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>>172518509
Dickshift is still aids.
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>>172518521
Is just ramp dragon because Sibyl (the miko) is basically their single best card in this expansion
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>trying to have fun with some new decks
>keep running into D-Shit

That's fine; I didn't want to do anything with these new cards except sit here and watch you play solitaire for five minutes.
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>all those vials I spent on SahaLuci
>not using either of them in my deck right now
I don't mind a single bit though. That deck was so fucking boring, I'm happy that Ramp is moving away from that completely reactive play style.
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>>172518486
It's honestly just really depressing, my RoB pulls were REALLY bad, probably even worse than this expansion, but to have a repeat of that again is just really stupid. Honestly I guess 6 isn't so bad for 68 packs but I got none of the legendaries I wanted to try besides the 1 miko.
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>>172518441
This is my list right now. Others are more than free to critique
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An Aegis deck is basically something similar to sunlight Satan right? Anyone mind posting a list?
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>>172518606
I have never played dragon, fuck it give me a list I don't really care how expensive please
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>>172518509

They haven't made me instantly tilted on sight, like it was with Rune. I have no idea how long that will last though.
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>>172514656
Anyone who plays this or thinks its good is a complete shitter
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>>172518441
Forgot the fucking image
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>>172518259
>how many layers of solitaire are you on?
>like maybe five or six turns right now, my witch
>you are like a little babby, watch this
>dariassssss
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why are serpents so fun
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Balls, vial cost for new stuff for dragon deck is over 20k. did the price of the deck just double? And it was already the most expensive shit there is!
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Is this competent enough to climb ladder?

I feel I need I Sibyl to Fervor, but at the same time Fervor is good for drawing shit for Satan.

I tried it in unranked several times, but of course I got run over by sword after usual dragon brick
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>>172518653
You can just play it with Elana too.

All you have to do is survive until you can drop it after all.
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>>172518223
>she
>her
lmfao

>>172518271
Your average Twitch user is under the age of 13 and dumb as bricks.
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>>172518693

>no reaper
>in a token spam deck

You what
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I just need 10,500 vials for 3 Gawains. Thankfully he is not allowed now anyways.

10,000 packs and no pulls I needed.

How many Rolands are you guys playing? I just put 1.
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Actually worse than Seraph mirrors because at least you can play Odin if you go 2nd. I got Aegis in mulligan and kept it. Hard mulligan for Aegis will probably be a thing in mirrors for a while.
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>Curve is clunky so I have to blow evos trying to not die
>Manage to scrape out to the end of their deck
Jesus
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>>172518661
Yes you do. Total cost is closer to 70k vials.
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>>172518380
that's the same thing I said before I found out.
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>>172518639
Sorry to hear that, m8. I have terrible luck with pulls as well and this expansion was 5 legos for 62 packs.
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>>172518798
I don't like him. He's never worked particularly well for me. When the lists all settle out, I may put him in if that's the standard, but as long as we're still experimenting he's out.
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>>172518805
I don't know how to use Roland to start with. Frontguard does his job well enough.
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>>172518751
Saha and Luci are probably goners now, replaced with Miko and maybe an Ouro or two. Most people seem to like Ouro so far but I wouldn't craft shit for now. Sibyl is a guaranteed include so that's pretty safe to do if you're going to be playing Dragon anyway.

Similarly, Odin is gone now too, so that's 3-9k vials off the deck, replaced by 3x silver in the form of Lightning Blast.

It's cheaper now, really. Or at least it's looking to be but we can't know how it'll be a week from now.
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>>172518693
Looks pretty rad, let's take this one for a ride.
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>>172518613
Ramp Drag still uses Sahaluci, what are you talking about?
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>>172518226
This is my most recently match against Haven. I brick a bit but drop Oro on turn 7.
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>>172518840
I only have 54k if you have a list though that'd be cool/
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>>172518501
lmaoing at your life
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>>172518864
Sahaquiel is definitely still in because Israfil is the best card in the deck
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>>172518693
>Wight
Surely there's a better 2 drop that can go in there?
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>>172518864
Saha Luci is still in ramp. What are you smoking?
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>>172518280
Stop fucking liquefying and go grind arena. If you have dickall, you need to get back to arena, not gut you ability to play anything else when the meta is shifting to shit on sneks liek it's the second roach-o-caust
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Pretty decent free packs. Very few animateds, though. Gonna start actually spending gold once I'm able to take a goddamn shower.
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As someone who just beat up a Roland user with my super retarded CBlood deck, I can tell you that Roland is quite shit.
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>>172518942
Probably, I just slotted him in for testing five minutes ago
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>>172518509
don't worry, forest always bounce back
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>15 packs
Animated ginger and snakes

should I just hang myself?
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>>172518905
>He used no evolve points before Aegis
The fuck.
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>>172518768
Where are your siegfrieds?
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>>172518932

>The hag is defeated

We did it shadowbros, we made it.
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>>172518693
You auto-lose to Snek. Shame Shadow doesn't have a good board clear.
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>>172518936
>tfw few vials to craft 1 more Saha, 2-3 Sibyls, 3 Lucy and 1-2 Israfil
Saha Ramp is too fuckin costly
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>>172518613
>Not playing the new and improved SahaLuci now ft israfil complete with zell and oroburos memes
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>>172519000
Ginger is going to get forever better as more end of your turn gets printed.
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>>172518428
Please respond
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>>172519000
You beat the odds you retard. What are you mad about?
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>>172519006
Complete board control. He has 2 cudgel but there is nothing to banish
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>>172519036
If I'm not fast enough and they get all their draws, yeah.
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>>172518864
You realize that you can also use Saha with Israfil and papa Zeus?
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>>172519009
Should I chuck 1 egg and 1 Fervor to Siggys?
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>shadowfags
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STOP LIGHTNING BLASTING MY BLOOD MOON REEEEEE
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>>172518693
Is that aggro or midrange?
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How do you use ginger?
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>>172519141
It's a little bit flexible in that regard. I mostly play it aggro, but Zombie Party is great for keeping up a flow in the midgame
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dragon is so fucking homo to play against
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>>172519103
Why would you run either of those cards? I really fail to see what they have to offer, and what you'd replace with them. Neither of them are wincons and the deck already has plenty of healing. Israfil+Saha is just a 7 pp BotS, and the fuck is Zeus even doing there.

I can see SahaLuci staying but I can't see Israfil of all things having any place in that deck when you already have so much board clear.
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So what are the good cards that shadow got this expansion? Goblin princess and zombie party seem p good. I still have not its legos.
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too many decks i want to try. Dragon would cost all my vials alone. Blood seems super fun. Already puleld 3 Rolands so getting gawains with her would probably be worth. Haven ill leave for later.
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>>172519141
It's aggressive midrange like people said the decks were going to shift towards. flat out aggro is more or less dead thanks to nonstop heals and Grimnir
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Anyone got decklist that use Forest Warden?
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>>172518864
>He hasnt done the hot new Saha Israfil + zeus combo

Bonus points if its a T9 saha bahamut with zell evolve

Saha isnt going anywere from ramp, israfil and zell and even oro have become stables.
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>>172514816
I pulled two of these cards. Really, I find kinda garbage for a gold card. Slighty over the curve and with a horrendous drawback. And don't tell me it is to reach vengeance with bloodcraft. This card is trash.
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>>172518661
This is what I been playing in the last few hours.

I didn't open Isra, has anyone tested her? How good is she? Not sure on spending 7k vials on her yet
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>shadow gets another legendary silver
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>>172519352
What was the last one?
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>>172519425
Kiwi
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Based Cygames made Luna happy. Laughing my ass off when i remember "pro streamers" said shadowcraft is dead.
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nee nee nani shite asobu noooo
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>>172519140
STOP PLAYING SNEKCRAFT THEN REEEEEEE

>>172519221
Welcome to what dragon had to put up with for two fucking expansions faggot. Two fucking expansions of DELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETDELETYOULOSE! Enjoy your fucking stay. There's bleach in the cabinet, heroin and whisky over the fridge, a and a noose on the balcony
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>>172519320
Me neither, but playing vs a few Isra decks, I think Zeus is better in most situations. That's the nice thing about ramp dragon though, you can give it your own flavor. It's not cookiecutter like dull Daria shit. It's actually kind of fun to make up and try out new, creative decks.

That said Olivia is a weird tech, and I'd probably trade 2x forte for 1x Zeus.
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Gonna be a rough expac for Dshift.
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>>172519503
I JUST WANNA USE DARK GENERAL I DON'T HAVE VIALS FOR SNEKS
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Why did I start playing these card games
They just try to milk my money or suffer with shitty decks
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>>172519352

>Reminding people that they have skeletons inside of them

Truly a based card. Shame I can't fit him into a Ledger deck.
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Hear-
Polyphonic Roar truly the best wincon
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May I have a concede, friends?
95554
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>>172519320
>>172519528
Thanks, Ill start sorting what I have and reading everything. If being able to move and shift stuff is true, then what are the core cards I need, besides Miko?
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Which fucker told me that aegis would counter me lmao
Easy match up
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>>172519620
You getting it to work even with the added amulet destruction?
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>>172519227
You realize you can just play Israfil and evolve it and it 100% wins you the game? It clears their board, hits their face, threatens lethal next turn and heals you for 4. It's the best card in the deck.
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FUCK THAT FROG
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>>172518349
Hardmode Tier
>Luminous Sword
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>>172518349
>Fate Stay Night Haven
The fuck is that supposed to be
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A T O M E M E D
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>>172519681

Post dick.
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>>172519654
I was talking about THIS aegis

*unzips*
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>>172519320
Israfil is actually reall good. shes a free 2 damage aoe to all enemies including enemy leaders face as well as have 8/8 stats allowing you to kill pretty much anything once played. Although imo to get the most value out of it you need to run zell in the deck since he can give storm any follower. Thanks to sibyl i really dont need lucifers heal off saha as much so dealing some extra face damage and board damage with israfil is welcome. Shes not a guaranteed finisher but honestly i use her to replace satan whom ive found to be to slow in pretty much all cases in this meta.

Though i wouldnt run her and zeus in the same deck and I would add one more oro and possibly tech in a zell. Zell is basically Urd+Forte but better since isarfil, oro, and bahamut can net you 11-13 face damage easy on turn 9/10
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>>172519637
Thank you, master chef Rowen!
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>>172519352
They also got a gold bronze with zombie party.
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Feels good dragonbabs
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>>172519227
I don't know about Zeus but I use Saha Isra Zell for 10 face damage and board clear. It's 2 function in one, especially when you want to remove some sticky minion or kill their unica
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Two Orthrus and a prince is an amazing combination when paired with reaper.
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>>172519671
Just Themis bro.
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Just got around to open some packs and craft some cards.. What the fuck is this shit? I just wanna play my new cards REEEEE
>>
https://twitter.com/Newt_o/status/847261430952869889
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>>172519773
I want to lick her ear!
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>>172519663
I only have 1 Poly Roar for Haven. They don't run anti amulet cards at all and it avoid their Themis. Against other deck, it is a 50/50. Against Dragon then it is a brick card
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>>172519781
Shadow is the king of cards that look mediocre, but are extremely amazing in practice.

Also Reaper is carrying Shadow on its back for another expansion it looks like.
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>>172519825
It just works
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I can't believe people were all doom and gloom about shadow. Seeing these combinations makes me want to try the decks out
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>>172519825
>OTK elana
Not Aegis. This is the shit for Haven this expansion.
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>>172519825

>Elana otk

It has begun. Soon this will be the budget deck that everyone does in unranked for dailies.
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how long until people start using amulet removal?
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>>172519990
It doesn't matter too much. People have already started playing Belphegor/Soul Dealer on curve to prep for snakes which have no counterplay at all beyond Themis on 6.
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Hey meester
I am MAD CYCLONE
It's so coooooooool
sunuvabitch
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>>172519990
>let me waste a turn using 5 mana to counter the 3 mana amulet that likely already got value.
the card feels pretty broken desu
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>Veteran Lancer's voice is fixed
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How much am I going to brick with this?
Should I go with a more aggro focused deck?
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>>172519990
How can the Dragon doesn't have their best card with them?
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>>172519739
still a work in progress
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>>172519647
Depends, but for a defensive SahaLuci deck your core is generally

>Unica/Dong
>Oracle
>BotS
>Aiela
>Rahab
>Reimu
>Fervor
>LB
>Saha
>Lucifer
>Bahamut

Then there are tech choices like Grimnir, which is common but IMO not mandatory. Forte is viable but can kinda fuck with your curve, and has poor synergy with Saha. Notice that most of Dragon's upper curve is Neutral for Saha Synergy. Ouroboros is also a neat tech, really helpful in control matchups and Dragon mirrors, I've started running 2 for ramp mirrors. You can also go with Israfil or Zeus, but choose one or the other. Their abilities are a little redundant. Go Israfil if you want more clear and some healing, Zeus if you don't plan on stocking Evo and need a Swiss army knife at turn 10.

>>172519746
Eh, I'd say it's a choice between Isra and Zeus. Both are great Neutrals, but Zeus doesn't need Zell for storm, and has a lot more flexibility when played on its own. Neither are AS great as Luci when pulled by Saha, though. Zeus is just gilgamesh with bane and Isra is a overcosted Salamander.

Zell is also Evo dependent, and if you're against aggro you're probably spending Evo on other things. Dragon in ToG doesn't need a huge storm finisher like baha in most cases, save for the Aegis matchup. There's a lot of burn damage between Israfil, Grimnir, and Boros. You're better off using Evos for tempo.
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>Test of strength makes haven unattackable while Aegis is on the field
that's completely retarded.
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>>172519990

I honestly have no idea.

I initially teched in executions in first new deck I made, but they're so bad in every other matchup. Even when used in the snek matchup, I ended up getting blasted since I had to give up 5pp.
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>>172518349
>>Seraph
well fuck you, and I only have 1 Seraph, so fuck you twice
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>>172520123
ironically, the best answer for t6 sneks is t6/7 revelation since you can still play a 2-3 drop.
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So does Sybil only ramps you up in your fifth TURN or does the effect still procs even if you ramp up early?
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>>172520118
Are Khaiza and Thane necessary? I feel like you would get more value out of Soulsquasher.
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If they could just change his voice he'd be perfect.
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>>172520204
Specifically says turn and turn it is.
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>>172520078

It's really like I'm back in DE
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Oh this poor fucker
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>>172520152
Grimnir is way too good to not having him in deck. He's like Unica of this expansion.
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>>172519352
>>shadow gets another legendary silver
who, the faggot that buff Eleana??
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>>172520118
You may as well run Skull Beasts instead of Deadmoon.

You don't have a Tyrant in there so it's not like you'll have a decent target to use her on.

Your highest base attack card is Eachtar at 5 with everything else being 4 or less and your only storm is Howl which are 1/1s.
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>>172520317

The prince of sketal reminding. He makes the field super sticky and meshes well with reaper.
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>>172520309
Grimnir is Fantastic for Dragon because he functions like an ID without discarding your hand, opening the way for baha. However, if you ramp on 2 and play Rahab at 4, that might be all the anti-aggro you need. Grimnir also competes with Aiela for that critical 3-drop slot.

Aggro hasn't been too common so far in ToG anyways, so I think you can make dragon work without Grimnir.
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>>172520317
The Bone Bro
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>>172520317
Prince is an amazing shadow generator with followers that stick. Even better, the effect stacks.
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>>172520118
i'd probably run reapers for the synergy with the extra skeletons from catacombs.

your minions can trade in twice essentially to buff the reaper.
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>Zoe
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>>172517062
Play around it bro.
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>>172520419
Grimnir feels too good not to run. A pseudo board clear that does face damage is just way too strong.

I can't imagine running a control deck without 3 copies.
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>>172520272
Problem is, blood can literally do shit other than sneks, like spam 1 pp Diabolic Drains, nuke the board for 4(!) or just draw a fuck load of cards with Bond/The new leggo. Good luck if he gets the (tutorable) nut draw.
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>>172520454
>effect stacks

So is Tyrant now possible?
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>>172520317
It is pretty much impossible to clear a Shadow board if you let it get going now.

The only thing that could clear is Lightning Blast, but if you take the whole turn to do it, Shadow can just set up a new board again.

It's really disgusting in TT.
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>>172520542
Guess who pulled 0
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Man, I'm just not getting any animateds in those packs.
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>play ouroboros
>half the players quit on the spot
is it too powerful or do i just run into a lot of shitly players?
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>>172520419
Is there even a difference between aggro and non aggro if either player is defeated turn 6/7?
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>only rolled anomaly from packs
Hold me /svg/
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>>172520323
>>172520459
>>172520208

How about this then?
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What is cy's excuse for sneks
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>>172520419
Versatility is what makes him too good. He stops aggro at 3 turn or he's a board clear with 4 damage to face at 10 turn.
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Did Jungle Warden end up not being stupid broken somehow
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>>172520651
They need all games to last 5 min.
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>>172520563
>Reached 22 shadows against haven, thanks to Saxton and Prince.
A little more viable, yes. The 1 drop that lets you ignore ward also helps.
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>>172514478
Thursday T2 Tourney is up.
New T2 mode, single elimination.
Signup: http://challonge.com/en/tournaments/signup/n0zH5XBSAr

Also, weekend tourney will happen on friday this time.

Has anyone tried the new mode? how is it?
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>>172520558

Oh I'm aware of that. It's just funny that this thread is back to where it was 3-6 months ago.

Complaining about a 3pp amulet that makes an enemy's board dangerous in an instant, and how execution isn't a viable option or other amulet removal for that matter. Imagine if we end up getting cudgel-tier shitposting about RD or Wardrobe in the near future.
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>>172520712
what is the point of playing him when silver bolt exists?
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>>172519773
[awoos externally]
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Who's laughing now? Bitch
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Can you taste the sword player's rage?

Now if only I can make it consistent...
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>>172520712
Probably not enough tests with it as everyone is playing sneks, dragon and aegis.
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Here I thought Dragon would be top dog but then I faced Snake Blood.

Do they always bust a nut all over the board or is it if they are lucky.
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>>172520738
That nep player needs to move on to the new shadow decks
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>>172520727
you can actually play the cards in your hand
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>can't play forest craft until I get 500 gold because I don't want to play as a girl
FUCK
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>>172520558
the nut is nearly impossible to lose with, it's like playing a more consistent daria.
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>>172520086
Best quality of life fix, imo. Playing with or against sword, that one card always had the dubious honor of having the worst voice acting done.
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Is there any way to get Japanese on android?
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it's hard to put into words how fucking disgusting this card is
by itself it's a strictly better bone chimera that makes your board immune to clear but the synergy with your other cards like eachtar, orthrus, and reaper really makes it ridiculous
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>>172514564
I was among the people who argued that it was amazing
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>>172520738
BLUE EYES- BURST STREAM OF DESTRUCTION!

pretty thematically cool that you get the most benefit out of it after a bahamut board clear
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Holy Shit Luminous Mage is cancer, especially late game when you get combo'd by Monika
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>>172517687
what special interactions
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>>172520771

Moon is the safest way to do it, but if you're not a bursty deck, they'll drop Bel and just be at 10 health.
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All you aggro shadow fags experimenting with your decks should give up. Grimnir will be run by every class.
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>>172520835
This card + windgod/eachtar
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>>172520868
Well, not Haven.
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>>172520858
gawain fucking when
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>>172520651
I have no idea how to play this deck
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>>172520738
GOY- I MEAN GUY PLEASE REMOVE THIS IMAGE RIGHT AWAY OR I WILL CONTACT MY LAWYERS.
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>>172520903
>wind god

Why didn't I think of this? I'll have to try her out.
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>>172520934

>play goat at 5pp
>be at vengeance when using sneks, or don't, it doesn't matter
>win

It shouldn't be too complicated my man.
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>>172520625
It's not great compared to snek but it fucks the shitty aggro decks right in the ass
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I JUST NEED TO WIN ONCE MORE WITH HAVEN FUCK THIS SHITTY CLASS GOT NO GOOD CARDS BESIDES AEGIS
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>>172520812
What do you do against this if you're not playing control?
t4, draw 2 cards, summon a 4/4 (6/6) or just nuke the board/drain the fuck out of everything.
Aggro can't do shit against it, midrange gets rolled over by sneks, only control can deal with it.
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>>172520835
>tfw you ran Bone Chimera before the expansion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgFtxHhCQ0

>now you run both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-ZGAGcJrk
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My pack opening luck is less than poor right now. One gold and two animateds in twenty packs.
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>>172520903
People tried windgod in previous xpac with chimeras, it was alright but usually you never draw it\it is too slow
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>>172520835
I'm playing an aggro shadow with this card and it seems like I only win if I draw this card early on. Anyone got any lists? I want to compare it to mine.
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>>172518134
>>guy
>>
>f2p mp game
>retarded community

HMMMM really makes me go :thinking:
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R8 my first take two deck in the new expansion
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>Mfw Shadowshits keep crying about their class getting nothing this expansion
>Turns out that shadow is stomping both in rank and T2

Clearly they don't understand their own class. I am waiting for them to apologize to Minthe.
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>only deck i was looking forward to playing in new expansion was cblood
>still need 12k vials just to finish crafting the new lego's
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>>172521091
Stomping with what exactly?
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New Wyvern is voiced by Sugita. Felt like Sugita voiced a bunch of cards in RoB but none this expansion. Just when his class gets out of meme status.
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>>172521054
This is what I'm testing. No Eachtar because RNG. Out of 20 games, only lost ~5
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>>172521003
run test of strength, win game.

test of strength affects every follower individually with a have to attack followers flag. Which means if the enemy drops 5 bahamuts and you have aegis then drop test of strength, even if you never play anything else you will never take any hits to the face until test of strength is removed or runs out.
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>>172521021
>tfw had a streak of gold card every 2 packs for 30 packs

I thought they glitch the system and accidentally change the rates.
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>>172521127
Midrange with Eachtar looks pretty spicy.
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>>172521127
le gay skeleton man
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>>172521003
Storm haven is pretty cheap
Sun guardian is also somewhat cheap at the budget level and shares many expensive cards with other decks.
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>>172520042
>snakes which have no counterplay at all beyond Themis on 6

revelation
calamitous curse
[mutagenic bolt]
[winter's caprice]
cyclone blade on a follower with 5 attack that survived on turn 5 because baphomet couldn't kill him
[conflagration + jo crystal dropped earlier]
etc
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>>172520832
yes, qooapp app store got both eng/kr and jp app.
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>>172521091

>Minthe

Nigga, when has anyone in thread been talking about how awesome Minthe is. It's Prince and Eachtar. All them.
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Whale up for good decks goys
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Tripping fucking balls, breh.
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>>172521141
>>172521054
Forgot pic related

>>172521091
Haven't yet found a use for Minthe. Any ideas?
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This is one cool as fuck animated.
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>>172521174
Dunno. Got stomped with it by Saha/Irasfil dragon into Bahamut into Zeus. Literally couldn't do anything even though I had constant board.
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has anyone been able to win with cannon memes? I only got 50% win rate with this test deck. besides the fact that you need to get away with turn 5 do nothing there's a lot of problems with how it works. for one thing your board gets full real fast. I lost a game because I had 2 cannons, a banner, and durandal out and couldn't actually do anything else. between the banner and the cannon, the banner seems more useful too. also if you have two cannons out and your opponent has a follower, the second cannon won't hit your opponent even if the first one kills the follower.
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>>172521161
>37 packs
>25 golds
this felt strange, shouldn't the percentage be around 15% or something?
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>>172521209
I tried QooApp earlier, but it's stuck loading at login so I figured it didn't work. Maybe it's because I already linked my account to the non-Japanese version.
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THIS MOTHERFUCKER RIGHT HERE
>8/7 worth of stats that floats into a FREE 4/5 ward with bane
>makes their WHOLE BOARD INTO RABBIT NECROMANCER
>with eachtar they can burst for almost 20 with TWO FUCKING CARDS
cygames?????
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What a goddamn waste of a high roll.
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How should I change up this deck?

Selwyn's Command is good for early aggro or in late works to bind down threats. Lily has been helpful but I can definitely lower her to 2.

Roach is nice for getting some damage in but he is a bit awkward since my deck doesn't generate big plays for him normally so he is kinda just there for pushing or killing off things I don't like.

What do you guys think.
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Airjammer feels too slow. It hits 1 or 2 drops without haste unless you're lucky enough to get a blood wolf, which just get removed next turn. Yes it forces trades but it feels like it's alot of effort for not much board state unless your opponent is dry on removal or something
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>tfw you get an unanswered 1-2 curve into skelton reminding man

Zoe for one of the most horrendous downsides in the game gets 3/4 stats on 3.

Catacomb if there are two other followers on board gets 4/4 across 4 bodies.
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should I reroll?
elf, vampire and ouroboros are animated, if that makes a difference.
also, what should I aim for while rerolling?
bloodcraft looks the most interesting to me right now.
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>KElana with Kaguyas vs Aegis Haven
almost fucking won if that faggot didn't Themist my board three times when I had Kels, Elana and Pegasus on board
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Anybody else deleting all their decks and building them from scratch when a new expansion hits?
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>>172521254
How is 3 soulsquasher working for you? I feel like 2 is plenty.
Minthe feels a bit too slow and shadows arent used as much in this deck I feel.
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>salamander
>lightning blast
>grimnir
>bahamut
>4 more unused board clears if they ever need it
Why the fuck does a single class have easy access to a bajillion board clears what the fuck
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>>172521324
check premissions, otherwise I don't know. Also had trouble with black screen on eng android client but don't remember how I fixed it.
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>>172521205
>[conflagration + jo crystal dropped earlier]
Literally a do nothing turn into a card that no one runs because it's fucking awful. And the do nothing card is pretty fucking awful too outside JO memes.
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>>172520954
Too slow. You're basically cashing out your board early.

>>172520801
>Throwing away 1/6th of your monthly welfare
Get over it. Leader when your library is done or you can eternal arena

>>172520304
>Neutralcraft can play inferno dragons on t4
T-Thanks....
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Fucking enhanced Grimnir ruining my win streak.
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>>172521345
he is adorable~
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>>172521415

I delete some, other decks like JO or Aggro Shadow that just get a touch up get to stay.
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>>172521420
t. aggrocuck
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>>172520801
Why the fuck does this matter? Just turn off the voices and you're good.
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>the emblem for the blood sneks is the ONE calm snek in the picture

kek
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>>172521417
I felt like having 2 made it less likely to draw if I needed a threat answered quickly. Though since I replaced gobu with her, I run out of steam pretty quickly.
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This is kinda pretty.
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>>172521332
>Great -_- another shitty do nothing card fucking cygames hates shadow
-/svg/ a week ago
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>>172521490
t. retard

Why would an aggro bother about lategame clears?
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>>172521452
ok, you can use dragonslayer's price :3
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Currently on a 9 game win streak in masters with this, if you have lurked on svg for a while you are probably familiar with my deck building style. (aka humpty) Enjoy the free wins.
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>spiderweb imp will never suffocate you
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>>172521458
>Get over it. Leader when your library is done or you can eternal arena
lol fuck off fag
>>
This game keeps throwing vlads at me, jesus christ..
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Animated mask of death looks spooky.
I'm making a webm once i get home
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>2017
>not playing OTK Bishop
https://twitter.com/axel_tewi/status/847266766145282048

This is one spicy meme.
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>>172521545

Did you get to see how Candelabra and Seraph interact yet?

I imagine it's one pop only, no matter the amount of copies on field.
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>>172521545
>Deck literally has one (1) follower that's ever played as a follower and even that's uninteractive bullshit
Can we just delete Haven?

The whole fucking craft is as antifun as anything ever comes in this game.
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>>172521545
Why not use two Aegis in case Seraph gets banished?
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>>172521517
Gobu is important imo.
I always ran into an extra soulsquasher when I ran 3.
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>>172521537
Say thay that to my turn 4 8pp, not online and see what comes about.
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>>172521513
the coolest one

wanna scratch her chin!
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>>172521013
realistically? you have to hope they're greedy and keep cards like baph instead of removal and you have to be playing something that can burst them down. good luck with that though when blood moon gives them cheap removal and the mask gives them ridiculous amounts of extra hp, that stupid thing has soaked up 13 damage from bahamut multiple times today.

im up 2k master points and the only decks that can really beat it are the occasional aggro deck that nuts when i brick or haven/dragon that draw the right removal. im afraid of what an optimized list will look like, right now if 3 serpents hit once you've essentially won the game because of grimnir burst on 10, you just have to buy time until then which is usually incredibly easy. i can see a midrange list with snakes being a lot stronger than the control variant and ending games on t7 consistently if they use goblin mages to tutor baph and add a couple storm followers.
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>>172521534
>>172521332
I don't really like this guy, Eachtar is great but Thane feels very slow and bricky.
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>>172521627
>her
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>>172521402
Just play the game. You're so far behind that it doesn't matter

>>172521452
It's gonna be swinging back due to all the stuff salamander can't pop and before blast expands dong

>>172521552
Go ahead and throw away 2 golds and half a lego, it's your library.
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>>172521609
Yes it pops 1 but 1 only. Even if you have multiple on the field.

>>172521614
Not my style personally, but this could work too.
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>>172521610
t. aggrokek
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>>172521415
I had a more than a full page yesterday. Only two new decks for now though, since my packs weren't very good and I only had so many vials.
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>>172521616
Yeah, I'll have to try again with two Soulsquasher and possibly add a gobu or two.

Crafting Eachtar will be a priority once I see if a deck like this is viable.
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>>172521610
>complaining about lack of interaction when all those SMORC decks exist
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>>172521367
>Forest deck
>With no ancient elves

??
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>>172521415
I did.

made a dirtrune deck for a mission then snek and that's it.
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>>172521415
Shit ones like Aggro Dragon that I used for missions are gone. The rest I just keep and change a little bit.
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>>172521689
Quite the opposite. I play Dragon. From what I understand, fucking "mid"shadow of all things is the one deck that shits on Haven right now.

>>172521761
Just heal bruh
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>>172521420
Remember when people used to whine about Themis?

Good times.
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>>172521770
CAN YOU FEEL IT BROTHER?!
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Why the hell Haven still has no Evo point recovery, how else can I banish things with baldy and later suicide Kaguya into their Bahamut's/Aegises to turn them into 1/x
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>>172521778
Ancient Elves are nice but don't do as much later game as Grimnir.
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I missed the thread where everyone posted what they got cuz I was sleeping
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>>172521681
>You're so far behind that it doesn't matter
should I reconsider playing this?
I'm willing to reroll quite a bit for a great start but if I'm still fucked either way it's probably not worth it.
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LOOK AT THIS CARD!
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So /svg/, do you lile the expansion so far?
Do you think that immortal dragon is going to se a lot of play?
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>game starts
>we greet each other
>your opponent has disconnected
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Its Commandercraft viable now?
the core card is locked...
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>>172521851
Use baldys big brother or run Olivia.
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>Turn 5 Goblin Princess
>Turn 6 Prince Catacomb + Skeleton Knight
>Turn 7 Eachtar
MAKE IT STOP PLEASE, /SVG/ YOU TOLD ME SHADOW WAS DEAD
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>>172521808
Forbidden ritual 3x + 3x candle kind of destroys any chance of that being true
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>>172521852
>how should I change up this deck
3x Ancient Elf
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Aegis is literally impossible to beat, especially with the amulet so you can't attack face. Who the fuck came up with this shit? Haven has always been cancer to play against but not it's somehow even worse.
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>>172521420
Nearly all are one sided too unlike Themis and Revelations. It's kinda ridiculous at this point.
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>>172521770
>Card looks good
>It's shit
Every time.

Applies to girls and cool cards alike.
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Has anyone else noticed that people are greeting more often now? Must be because of all the fun testing out decks.
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>>172521865
I just got buttfucked by a ramp dragon playing sybil turn 4 -> israfil turn 5

anyone post any good new decks?
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>>172521851
have you ever heard of olivia?
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>>172521545
Damn I wish I saw this after going for a 7 losses in a row with my shitty seraph deck. I'd rather use the lion than humpty dumpty though.
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>>172521420
Because ramp is tempo loss and without board clear they can simply throw up cheap wards while smorcing you to death. It used to lack healing and sufficient draw as well which lead to a lot of bleeding out.

Due to the curve of its library, even the ones you can ramp generally leave little to no other possible play which pushes the game further towards satan kills from hand

>>172521894
THESE BLACK WINGS ARE UNBREAKABLE!
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WOW NICE BALANCE BLIZZARD
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>>172521950
Right now is the best time on Ranked. Only free spirits playing who don't mind losing a few hundred score to test out new tech.
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>>172521894
It was pretty obvious shitposting.
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>>172521404
Post Kelana deck.
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>>172520738
>nep in 2017
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>>172522008
>Want to be a boring piece of shit and just play and old deck with no-brainer improvements slapped in
>Don't want to get too much score so I can actually get some rewards next season too
Oh well.

Maybe it'll still be going on in two days.
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>rowen smells the triple dshift coming and pulls the plug
kek
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Atomammoth is fun
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Anyone got any spicy dirt memes?
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>>172521970
keep in mind using lion in a deck with zero two drops, is very dangerous. the reason I use humpty is to "catch" up from a the lost early board state of 1 drop, 2 drop, 3 drop, 2 drop, 2 drop, its scary but happens quite often actually.

Humpty is pivotal to the deck since you always hard mull for him if you are going second vs aggro and is quite literally your win con in that situation. if you are going first you can safely mull him away though since you will be ahead on mana the whole game.
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>excited to try out a bunch of new decks
>run into nothing but Dshitters
>already burnt out

When are they going to delete Rune? It literally stops you from playing the game unless you're aggro.
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>>172521906
Besides the bouncing bit, ancient elf is dealt with much too quickly and Grimnir at least isn't a brick late game.
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>>172521914
>literally impossible

Uh shadowbabs?
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Thank you based Orthus.
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>>172521860

He's not wrong that you would've been better off starting earlier in the game's life, but I don't see why you can't try it out a little, decide what craft you really like then run a reroll script on an emulator until you get a roll that heavily favors a strong start for your chosen craft. It's not impossible. Just don't be a tryhard and chose the strongest deck for the sake of it being the strongest. Otherwise you're going to rank up too fast and be boned when you get a daily for some other craft.
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>>172522002
>Flamewreathed faceless all over again
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Anyone else faced a bug where after the start where the game determined who goes first/second then neither players draw from their deck?
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>>172522101
>Dshitter finally wins a game after 8 losses in this meta
Grats :^)
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>>172522131
She's such a good card.
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>>172522117
Rune is everything that is wrong with SV, since the devs are too lazy to create a balanced meta by creating diverse and good cards they need a class that plays Metapolice
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>>172521860
It's fine. There's a lot of affordable decks and if you focus on 1-2 crafts instead of going wide you can easily do a lot with it. As to reroll there's a couple things to consider. If you're a veteran card player that knows what they can settle down into, then you can liquefy aggressively to play basically the deck you want within the month. If you don't, just play the game out. You'll accumulate cards and be able to play more decks as you jenga lists together. As you get better, you'll be able to reliably break even or profit from arena. This lets you grind it to fill out your standard card pack library which lets you play many things in addition to becoming a vial factory to craft whatever the fuck you want.

If you don't mind spending the time, you're looking to reroll for 2 legos your deck will use and a couple neutral or playable other legos in a roll with at least 7 legos unless you get 3 from your deck. But it's not a big deal as you're only going to be opening 40ish starter packs then from the early game shit you're going to get about another 70 packs

Aggro blood is 5 golds for 3 vania and 2-3 vampire fortress
Cursed storm royal is 1-2 golds. Shadowed is really only there for if you get stalled you can clear and re-cloak. Banner memes is pretty cheap as is aggro royal using fangblades for a closer.
OTK disconewt dragon's 5-6 golds but the 3 breaths are core dragon and the 3 altered fate are core ptp neutralcraft
Aggro forest can drive on 3 gold roaches
Storm haven is 5 golds for 3 garuda and 1 valhallan
Tempo spellboost rune can get by with just 3 Levi's
Budget aggro shadow has 0 golds and tries to close out with cursed soldier+board on t7

Neutralcraft's really just the 2 gold wind gods. The 2 uriel are for spear consistency which is important but you'll live for a week to get the vials for them
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>shadow now wins by human wave tactics
>eachtar looks like stalin
>orthrus is wearing a commisar cap
are we the soviet class now?
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>>172522153

>3 mana 3/4
>4 mana 7/7

Haven is the designated Shaman class.
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>tft you crafted 2 lord atomy instead of sybil right after unpacking
Who /memelife/ here?
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Grimnir is amazing
Board clear+face dmg+storm protection
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>>172521860
Completely false.

You get showered with free shit in this game. Each day your dailies give you at least one pack worth of gold on average. You can practically make any deck by just dusting the useless shit you got, and it should be safe to do that again in a week or two once the meta stabilizes a bit again.

I started a bit over a month ago and I have some expensive meta decks crafted with dust to throw around.
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>>172522232
Aegis is new meta police, no need for Dshift anymore
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>step 1
>accepting your fate
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>>172522107
So the trigger goes off before he destroys the Amulet?

Noice~
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>Play ramp Dragon
>Draw no ramp
I swear this game is rigged. Half my deck is ramp but I draw none
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>>172522258
>Recycling the dead
Yes

>>172522002
Congratulations, you played a worse lightning behemoth. Enjoy your DoD next turn.
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>>172522117
My deck maintains a consistently positive win rate vs d-shift since you can heal there chip damage, and control without providing minions on the board for merlin targets/windblasts etc.
Often times a seraph on turn 8 will be met with a concede from the d-shifter unless they get a better than average draw.

>>172521545
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What the fuck did they do to Tsubakis voice in the dub?

Sounds like its someones voice playing at 3x speed or some shit.
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>>172522178
t. rowen


stay cucked my dude
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>>172521627
>her

You must be a sage then.
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>>172522327
i don't recall the soviet union ever having a policy of recycling dead bodies
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Frogbat is the best animated card in this game
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>>172521867
What was their points? May be sandbagging or just drew bad

>>172521856
You missed literally nothing of value.
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>>172522272

>Pulled 3 Death Ledger when I was messing around with the idea of using it for memes.

I didn't choose the memelife, the memelife chose me.
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50441
Need to win, no concede.
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>>172522258
i find to be insulting to my race and nation ><
grr
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>>172522282
>>172522107
Post dicks, I want to defreeze some mammoths.
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How the hell does one deal with Heavenly Aegis?
It made Bahamut even more effective in Haven than it already was.

On an unrelated note, does Deepwood Anomaly seriously one-shot the leader on attack, or am I somehow misinterpreting the description?
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So this expansion dshift only really got Library and mayybe enchanted sword.

But library isn't a spell and merlin is more likely to pull one of your dshifts. And you already have enough draw between insight, magic missile, kaleidoscopic glow, sorcery cache and fate's hand.

And enchanted blade only works on your actual combo turn, in which case it may as well be a blade mage that you can potentially evolve on the turn you play it for 8 damage over two turns with dshift.

So is anyone else actually just running the exact same list as they were pre-expac? Though I did add a third petrify for the the blood moons and such.
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Fuck, now I have to craft some Alberts.
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>>172521860
Open a private match room, put your user name in the 4chan post name field, make sure your sound is on and you can hear it then post the match id Play 20 private matches without conceding to get 2000 gold
Play the story mode for free cards and experience with each deck
Beat the practice match elite difficult AI for each leader for 2800 gold total
Look up budget deck lists and look over what you have and put together some crapass deck and play some ranked to get your dick wet
Play your take 2 arena tickets out for ~14 packs

From here it depends If you reliably went 3 wins 2 losses in arena, you'll want to turn your gold into arena tickets to get +50-100% more of your value Keep updating a deck for each leader as you unpack cards and do every daily Turn that gold into more tickets Log in daily for the login reward You should be getting 10-20 packs a weeks Buy some DE and a few Baha packs at some point If you want, save up some gold for the Bahamut ticket arena reward event at some point to rake in and clear out the cards you need from that set If you can't reliably 3-2, do NOT buy tickets You'll just piss away your dosh and time. Or just buy straight packs cause you hate yourself

Don't liquefy your cards in general Between your welfare packs and the ez grab packs followed by all the added tickets and packs from getting 3-5 wins per ticket you'll have enough for about 4 budget decks from liquefy extras that you glue together with golds and silvers to do ranked Every week between cheevos, levelups, score rewards, dailies, and winning arena to double your money to buy more tickets you'll get about 10-20 packs a week Within a month you can play knockoffs of about 12-ish decks and have most of a couple good decks on rng Once you fill out most of your card pool the vials will start pouring in from the extras From that experience you'll know what you want be able to craft from your liquefied extras while still being able to play a bunch of budgets
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>>172522364
The person who did Tsubaki, Jeanne, Veteran Lancer, and a few others got replaced by Arisa's new VA.

Most of them are an improvement but her Tsubaki was actually good and the new one isn't tomboy or antisemitic enough.
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>>172522124
With the amulet yes. You'll be forced to attack aegis and it can't be killed.
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>>172522258
>human wave tactics
You mean albertcraft?
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>>172522391
what do you mean?

>>172522453
what about moe fresh"man" lou?
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Is dirt rune top tier yet? Is Ginger the new Daria?
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>>172522258

>Shadow was the jew class in RoB
>Hitler accused the jews of being communist
>The banishoclaust was in DE

It's like the events of WW2, but jumbled up in the wrong order. What does it mean shadowbabs?
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>>172522449
This is my pile of trash that only works once every 5 games, but when it does it's pretty fun. Meming in masters is living the good life.
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>>172522501
i guess it's more appropriate to call it "zombie" wave tactics
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>>172520272
>they even added more healing cards
Jesus.
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>>172522451
It deals the same amount of health the leader has when attacking face. So yes, unless the enemy has some card that decreases the damage dealt to his leader like mask or that new sword lego, you win.

Good fucking luck getting past removals, wards and everything tho.
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>>172520086
It had kind of grown to me but the new lines are pretty good.
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>>172522491
Does it really work? I suppose aegis can still attack whatever he wants, since he doesn't even get ward from guardian sun.
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>>172522140
>>172522251
I'd consider myself a veteran card player, I like bloodcraft so far so a good reroll for them would be ideal, but after getting a solid deck I'd rather go wide and play everything, not going to go full esports on this game.

I just thought the three animated legendaries were pretty good, but I guess I'll look up some bloodcraft decklists and reroll until I get most of the staples, thanks for the help.
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>>172522528
Nope, its dragon, haven, and sneks.
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>>172522258
Shadow new leader is Bison, it's the Mookcraft.
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I'm dry, how long do ya'll think it'd take me to get 20,100 vials. (Less if I slowly pull all 6 legendaries)
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>>172522545
Dude where are your balanced silver reminders of inside skeletons? That card is pretty much "I always have 5 minions on board no matter what"
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You see this, what do?
I still won tho
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>tfw catacombing a board full of skeletons that previously popped out of catacombed dudes.

Who would've thought that this card was actually this good.
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What's a good site for finding decklists and shit for this? Kinda like liquidhearth but for this.
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Thoughts on Aegis?

I'm usually dead or pressured into healing on t9 so I can never even play this slow ass card
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>>172522574
It does, I've lost to it a lot playing as ramp dragon. It's basically autolose when they play Aegis. You know the amulet is landing next turn.
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>>172522652
What deck are you running Aegis in?
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>>172522620
I-I'm not a good deck builder.
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>>172522650
Game ai
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>>172522640
really makes my horde hunger
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>>172522652

Never play him at 4 health going 2nd, or you get cycloned
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>>172522705
gimme the lips!
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>>172522574
it was in teh QA session. Aegis is not affected by ToS. so he can still go face while everyone else has to try to kill him (sure)
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>>172522415
Thanks bud!
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>tfw all the people that vialed their atomemers
Who's laughing now

>>172522394
The meme of 1 rifle for 4 ruskies

>>172522117
DELETE

>>172522258
>tfw no fafnirs and other key pendant cards to assblast your board turn after turn in anudda shoah
>tfw no animated pendants
>tfw wont have a vials hoard for two months to afford wasting gold on trying to draw one instead of buying packs for 2 months
>tfw no smug, this pendant is way too fine for an ordinary person BM

>>172522640
Hit a matriarch shoah yet?
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Lightning Blast is a real pain in the ass.

Reminds me of getting ground into dust by Themis's Decree
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>>172522521
>what about moe fresh"man" lou?
I haven't tried it to be honest. I'll say that's because """he"" isn't a spell. But now that I think about it magic missile is 2pp draw a card, and I often just use it to shoot face for the cantrip. But mm is sometimes effective for shooting blood wolves and other 2/1s.

Again it's iffy and I'm not sure if it's worth running.
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>>172522794
I got 3x pluto instead of him, I couldn't even meme with her
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>>172522002
just Dance of Death it bro
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>>172522794

>1 rifle for 4 ruskies

I thought it was 1 rifle for a squad.
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>>172522685
>>172522545
Put in some Elta's to see how it goes. He prevents atomemer from melting your board and because they have to jerk off all over atomeme, Elta survives for more atomemery if you need more atomemers pack 2-3 rise of the dead for 8-9 memers per game which with Elta makes up for itself by not slaughtering your hand.
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>>172521545
>no fun allowed
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New player, just opened my free rise of bahomet packs and I only got two legendaries. Albert levin sabre and daria the dimensional witch. Should I just start playing on a different steam account and hope for some better rolls?
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>>172522258
i knew
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>>172522861
>tfw no orb dragons
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>go against a swordcraft deck with support cannon
>literally a turn five do nothing card
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>still 90 packs to go
Am I gonna get the set?
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>>172522683
Elana kel
>>
I'm convinced that Kel OTK can be a thing on its own, not just as a tech in Elana.
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>>172522451
Win before turn 10. Rev up those DShifts.
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>>172522906
Nah, its a western meme that Red Army won only through sheer numbers and was so underequipped that they had 1 rifle for 4 people.
Which is wrong, but Cold War heritage stuck around.
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>>172522954
those are legendaries from two of the top rob decks, so it could be worse.
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>>172522989
I want Gawain and Albert to spitroast me.
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how did atomy get better again? is it frozen mammoth stuff only?

i met two a couple of days ago, both reliably summoned their memes on t4 with bone chimeras, both died one to blood aggro another to albert sword
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>have an absolutely unfair deck
>roll all 4 matches with no opposition
>Is the dream real? Will I finally fucking get 5 wins?
>go second against swordcraft and just get rushed as I brick my hand

Wew lad
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>>172522913
Hold on a fucking second here, Atomy's fanfare gets negated by this card? For some reason I thought that it was only for enemy fanfares. That's rad as fuck.
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>>172521545
I actually switched out a couple of the Gospels for Iron Maidens and they work like a charm. Saved my ass a couple of times already.
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>>172522101
how do you win with that? the third one will cost 11 and you don't have enough pp to play the golem at any time.
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So glad I avoided spoilers and went into the pack opening blind. Had a hearty chuckle at this.
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So Dragon's Nest is actually pretty good.
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>>172522453
I tried out pretty much the same list but took out one Kaleidoscope and one Trail of Light to make room for two Rites of Exorcism because of amulets and Dragon. Should probably just make those Petrifications later. Lou doesn't really make sense since you're already using Merlin. Library will just mess you up a lot because you're holding 7-9 cards at the end of your turn most of the time. They really didn't give DS much this expansion, or the whole class in general.
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>>172521894
>falling for the dragoncuck shitposting
Literally only them and Haven can mass banish your enitre board realistically and only with ramp, everyone else has to deal with 10k skellies
>>
what are seer globes?
>>
14841 help a waifu out?
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>>172521545
Literally Hitler. Beautiful.
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>>172523067

Yea, he cancels stuff out like Roost's fanfare discount which means that if you play him then drop Roost it's only the newly drawn cards that get half off meaning you could Altered Fate then blow up roost next turn and the only thing your opponent got out of it was any new cards drawn during his turn were half off. Only problem is that it takes a lot of set up, for something that would be used as a set up for some other combo.
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>>172523164
Drop the flame destroyer.
Play the 4 PP, drop the 10 to 9 and 13 to 12.
Next turn, Golem, play the 8 pp, 12 -> 10
3rd turn for win.
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>>172522327
>>172522901
>Just use a 5pp spell on this 4pp follower
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>>172522258
Skeletons count as humans now?
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>>172522983
Run it with ironwrought fortress. It's much easier to build value to mitigate the tempo loss and immediately wrestle back on top with a board clear from Monika then never let up.
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Fuck Black mask
Fuck Blood moon
Fuck Belphegor
Fuck Baphomet
Fuck Hungering Horde
Fuck Grimnir

Fucking can't do anything against blood. they just keep healing and take no damage from their own shit.
Whoever said shadow is good is delusional.
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>>172523335
>hurr I can count to 5
do you have lead poisoning
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>>172523365
Just Aegis bro.
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>>172523049
Catacomb keeps giving you a bunch of skeletons too. Makes turns 4-6 Atomy's better along with the Mammoth's. There's that 1 cost follower that lets you ignore wards also.
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>>172523003
That's what I'm going to test when I get home.
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>>172523365
ok
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Actually kinda tempted to put this in my Eidolon meme deck.
Also, Haven seems to have gotten even more countdown reduction cards and less actual countdown amulets, so with the removal of Basic in T2, they might just become straight unplayable in that mode.
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>>172523310

You'd have 9pp when you try to play the 2nd shift.
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>spend hour vialing bronzes because the new deck thirst is real
>wind up with about 6k
Worth it.
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27 packs
from 1 to 10 how cucked am I? be honest, bros
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Thoughts on Support Cannon?

I feel like I can never play it early enough to get good use out of it.
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>>172523310
on turn 9 your second dimension shift costs 9. if you play the golem you'll only have 7 points and dimension shift will cost 8.
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>>172523465

That's straight amazing.

All useful cards too.
>>
>>172523465
>8 legos
>bad
Some guy opened 63 packs and got like 4 legos so your not cucked at all
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>>172523465
Amazing pulls from only 27 packs.
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>>172523465
congrats, you can play sneks with minimal investment.
>>
YOU LITERALLY CANNOT FUCKING BEAT DRAGON ANYMORE AS FOREST. THEY HAVE SO MUCH FUCKING HEALING AND BOARDCLEAR AND GAY ASS FUCKING WARDS
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>>172523465
just make a snek deck

you're practically there already
>>
>all these control decks
>honestly considering building seraph or dshift

aggro has no way to win now, its pretty ridiculous
>>
>>172523231
People that have actually played Dragon knew it was good. It's 1 card draw along with good healing. Having it activate on the next turn isn't actually that bad since it's 1 cost. On average you're into overflow by turn 5 and it also gives you something to play when you have leftover PP.
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>>172523049
Basically, Atomemer got an easier time building a board, a stickier board, a board that had more impact, mammoth value closing the attack power gap after he gets blown the fuck up for the 5th time by removal, an easier time rebuilding the board, a way to negate the board destruction, and a second source of ward pierce

>>172523254
Read the news post

>>172523335
>Why would you spend your t5 removing his evolution point advantage with a removal while advancing the game towards your win con
>>
can commissar orthus give +2 pp to herself if she is played on an empty board? from her text it seems she can
>>
>>172523471
It's shit. If you have 3 out and play Leonidas, and your opponent has 1 goblin, they will kill the goblin and then do nothing. If your opponent play aegis you lose instantly.
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>>172523562
holy shit my sides the fucking irony
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>>172516696
Exactly average.
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>40 packs
>ZERO tempest legos
>3 Animated Frogbats
Jesus fucking christ.
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>>172523562
>not playing control forest
Serves you roght roachfucker
>>
>>172523365
Shadow is gud though.

I fought a shadow that had a solution to literally everything I did as snek blood. It was the only time I ever got shut down so hard with the deck and I was legitimately impressed.

It was a long ass match and there were points where if he played any less cautiously I could've OTK'd him, but he took it slow and careful and beat my ass.
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>>172523568
Aggro shadow got some new toys.
>>
>>172523471
I posted my results so far earlier
>>172521297
I'm going to keep working on it but at this point it seems like a worse meme than cursed general.
>>
>>172523471
Needs Gawain so you can actually combo cards in later turns with it. Even then it seems pretty hard to use since every midrange and aggro deck gets their stuff going turn 5. Dragon shits on it now with Lightning Blast too.
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>>172523614
kek wills it
>>
Is albertcraft dead?
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Making a new thread.

>>172523459
Nerfs in 2 months, star all your cards and grind arena if you need vials

>>172523471
Great with ironwrought fortress

>>172523562
Literally nothing can stop forest
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>>172523596
forgot the pic/
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>>172523614
This made me laugh.
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Albert can't save you now, swordshitter
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>>172523690
Vagabond Frog aggro is actually really good
>>
>>172523691
>Nerfs in 2 months, star all your cards and grind arena if you need vials
Yeah, lemme just not play anything interesting for two months so I can get a dozen more vials per vialed, nerfed bronze or silver card that there'll be maybe 3 of.
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>>172523343
Guess they already have something in common with commies then.
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[banishes externally]
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>>172523702
She can't.
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>>172523453
... Summon Golem is a spell, senpai. It spellboosts your spellboosts.
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btw, mythological orthus is a two headed dog

where is her second head?
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>>172522258
Catacomb: I want you for the shadowcraft
Orthrus: comrades, onward to your noble deaths
Skeletons: URAAAAAA
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New thread: 172523785

New thread: 172523785

New thread: 172523785
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>>172523792
2 weapons
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>>172523792
On her shoulder.
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>>172522258
I tried my best, Eachtar's head is so small in the official art.
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>>172523606
To frank, letting braindead Dragon monkeys autowin against Forest is not remotely the same as letting Forest have an advantage against Dragon. It feels fair to them maybe but it makes the game worse.
>>
>>172523769
it's pretty shitty

then the text is worded poorly "Then give +2/+0 to a random allied follower" should be "then give +2/0 to a random other allied follower"
>>
>>172523787

See >>172523506
>>
>could live with the english dubs
>these recent changes

welp

time to change to japanese
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>>172523837
>>
>>172523843
huh, indeed
but it's lame
>>
>>172523792

In her pants, if you know what I mean.
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>>172523837
Okay, maybe I need sleep instead of weaboo card gaming. I'm sorry.

New thread: >>172523785

New thread: >>172523785

New thread: >>172523785

New thread: >>172523785
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>>172521297
Why use both the cannon and banner?

Part of the benefit of the banner is having an ever-present commander, but you'd be constantly churning out commanders anyway to make use of the cannon.

It's not surprising you'd be maxing out your board all the time.
>>
>>172523792
she has a penis
>>
>>172523934
>>172523934
>>172523934
new thread
>>
>>172523738
list?
>>
>>172523850
don't fanfares activate /before/ the follower hits the board? I don't think it's worded poorly at all
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>>172523919
hot
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>>172523465
>52 packs
>6 legos
>no snek or snek related memes

fuck my life
fuck your mother
>>
Do I need 3 Eachtar for Midrange Shadow or will 2 work?
>>
>>172523465
>8 legos out of 27
how the fuck do yo dare to cry??
>>
>>172524043
You opened on rate you little shit.
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>Lightning Blast is balanced

This is after I've dealt over 30 damage to the leader.
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>>172522002
>4 pp (mana)
>7/7
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>>172523724
>mfw made an Atomy deck before the expansion

At first I just wanted to meme.
But now I can kill with memes.
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let me guess, all 4 legos i pulled from 40 packs are unusable garbage?
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