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Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

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good new shit, not soon
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=905
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=903


Previous Thread: >>172223293


>Latest "Patch Notes":
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=899

>Events:
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=869
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=900

>Can I play the game now?
International version available on Steam RIGHT NOW. The Korean and Japanese servers are non-steam (Nexon)

TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.

https://github.com/Excrulon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager

>Cards List:
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/list-boss-cards-and-effects/321599

>Extra Stat Points
http://pastebin.com/6Y3R7aYt


>Servers
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA) Fedimian(EU) Silute(SA) Telsiai(SEA)

>/tosg/ Guilds info:
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena/Orsha, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a Templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.

>Klaipeda
Futureproof (ApplyAFineHorse3)
CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)
cute (Merigolds)

>Telsiai
Comfy (Katzenberg)

>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse(Capyba)

>Silute
Lewd (Nanaumi)
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/Uoyaho/ when?
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Have you seen the discords? These people really have no lives or friends. Seriously, their only friends are a bunch of random posters in a discord. This is how they socialize. They live and lurk in discord constantly talking about how lewd they want to be to each other with their funny anime avatars and s-s-stuttering. Even worse, they get on their mic and you can feel their fat, stuttery breath creeping into your ear as they whisper reddit memes and talk about how good they are at tos and mobagames. The illusion that they have friends and people in their lonely lives spirals out of control, suddenly they're ditching what little real life responsibilities they have to run instances every day to be the very best like no one ever was (they aren't). It becomes a circlejerk hugbox that is, ironically, diametrically opposed to the anonymous general they spawned from. It's all about namedrops and the tight cunny clique they want to lick. Absolutely disgusting.
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Can I get away with Barb 3 Lancer for mounted pouncing? I like the idea of a mounted fighter but Rush twirling the spear above your head looks lame as hell compared to charging forward slashing with your lance.

Also not sure how the new savagery stuff works but maybe you can do like 30 second silences via joust or something stupid like that with stacks?
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So I kind of went ahead and started making a hopgoon, but I've read the previous thread saying it's kind of boring and a dead class. Did I just waste my time?
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>>172493760
please respond
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>>172499960
Klaipeda
Futureproof is recruiting
PM ApplyAFineHorse3
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>>172501248
Paladin 3 Monk Inquisitor, reset stats to mixed dex/con I guess? I'm not sure how guardian saint works exactly, but it says it increases stam regen so if you can use it on yourself you can double punch more.
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>>172501153

it may work. but warcry +10 sec is only 1/3 at the pvp arena
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Yo Runecasters, make yourself giant and take a picture while riding a giant pet.
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>>172501574
Thanks, just got Paladin3 and MonkInquisitor seems really to be the most solid choice, though Oracle seems really fun to mess around with change and conversion, when the latter decides to work
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did you make your pyro yet

also dont make doppels, not worth

also new features to DKP are dumb, basically instead of "kill X amount to get drop" it will be "kill more to increase % drop chance"
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>>172503468
>doppels, not worth
one of my fav new memes
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reminder you still have time to reroll if you main a doppel as your class will become worthless after the combat rework they're announcing next week
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>>172503468
Reminder that drops per kill means the number of items you get from killing a mob. The system they're using is counting drops.
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>>172501456
The game just crashed and blanked out all the whispers, so if you tried to send me a message recently, send a friend request or whisper me, ApplyAFineHorse3, again. If there's ever a message I don't reply to it's because I didn't get it.
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>SILVER GALOK
>Galok Leather and MOTHERFUCKING NODACHI
>Kill other nearby Galok afterwards
>ANOTHER FUCKING NODACHI

aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>172504656
Why is that?
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>>172504656
ksymm
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Is hackapelle actually worth going for?
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>>172515301
yes
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This game has had my attention for over a year. No other MMORPG has been able to do that since the older times. Regardless of what you feel about it, I feel it was a success. I've played it long enough to just quit out of being tired of it rather than anything else.
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Is archer3-ranger1-fletcher3-mergen okay?
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>2017
>Still planning builds
>Not just making gud builds and having fun
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>>172514629
I WANT TO FUCK HEALMAGE'S BUNNY ASS
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>>172518594
>mergen
LOL

Also, take a circle in Scout somewhere. Remove Archer 3 I guess.
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IT'S STILL AT 4 OUT OF 12 HOLY SHITTO
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>>172524463
?
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This is so dead. Just give it up. No one wants to play this shit game with your shit discord.
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>>172524827
Don't bump the thread then. This game is much better without constant doomposters whining this game didn't die 11 months ago.
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>1 / (set DPK value – current no. of monsters defeated)

So they say they will implement this in a couple months. But isn't it the current system?
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>>172525794
Does kToS have it, or just kTest? They probably can't keep track of what they implemented where.
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>>172525794
>But isn't it the current system?
Current system seems a bit different.
After a drop you usually get multiple in few kills.
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>>172525976
Maybe it's not properly resetting the dpk after the first drop?
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>>172525961
I think it just got to kToS.
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>>172526639
Yes, sounds like it.
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>>172525976
If it doesn't reset until it hits its number it'd make sense. You kill something and get the drop at a 1/20 chance, there's still 19 more before you get the drop again. You get another at 1/5 and then you hit the number
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Is this how you build wugushi?

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#3666.1121314f5a657c
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>>172524762
!! 4/12 SHITTO
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>>172527578
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#3666.2f4f5a65
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>>172528021
Is needle blow that good?
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It's literally your main skill.

What builds go well with Wugu3?
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>>172529274
Builds that use 2h weapons, so you get high physical attack.
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>>172529575
Good point.
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>>172506185
silver and gold mobs don't drop the old DPK drops
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What's the difference between a special monster and an elite one?

What makes special monsters special when every monster in a map is special?
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>>172533592
Elites are like minibosses.
Specials are like Materials but with more HP and def and are immune to memes like Conversion and Change.
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>>172535152
>Specials are like Materials
?
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what's a good daily slave build that is not pyro? one that can easily solo or carry saalus/290 without having a practo weapon or considerable investment.
I already have a pyro
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>>172535319
THE DOUBLE-FORK MOBS RTRD
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>>172535804
A fletcher 3.
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>read DPK
>brain always translates it to
>DEEE KAY PEEEE
>DRAGON KILL POINTS
THAT'S A 50 DKP MINUS
OK EVEN GROUPS LEFT
GROUPS RIGHT

my brain is ruined by the internet... and I'm getting too old for this
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>>172536495
how would you build it? I have never played an archer
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>>172535804

krivis miko taoist. melts dailies with a 5hammer
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>>172537262
I quit before IMC finally fucking added Miko.

I hear their hidden quest is fucking obnoxious to do, even with no competition.
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>>172537240
Archer2 Scout Hunter Fletcher3 Hakka
or Archer2 Scout Ranger Fletcher3 Mergen
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>>172537395

I've done it twice and it wasn't really so bad. You can replace the Miko with something else but it won't be as good.
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>>172537395
You could cheese most of the quests with a macro. If you feel uncomfortable about it, you can also go Druid2 or Priest1/Oracle1
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>>172537543

Yeah I think Druid2 is the best choice if you're not gonna go Miko, if you're okay with looking like an ugly frog all the time.
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>>172537543
>>172537727
Nah, go Priest1Oracle1 so you can get carried in ET if you want.
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Last time I played only Mishekan Forest gave a cube. Did they add in a 2nd and a 3rd one yet? I read on forum there's a 290 insane quest line for one. Is that the only 2nd one? Also it needs a fucking flower branch hat that is insanely rare... fucking Koreans.
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Can I have two practonium cubes in my inventory? do they share cooldown if so?
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>>172537501

I forgot to mention that you should macro the Klaipeda and Orsha spirits. Then the only annoying one is Manahas. The rest are really easy.
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>new patch in Korea
>blessed shards can no longer be traded AT ALL even with token

hahahahahahaha

*breathes in*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

This game is fucking done bro! Even before the April "big changes". Holy shit yo!
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>>172538513
>I can't read
Retard
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>>172538513

Retard!
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Where were you when IMC finally nailed the final coffing to TOS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszSbHF2ALA

Right, you were blindly defending it here: >>172538608
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>>172538775
You can't trade TRANSCENDED EQUIPMENT, and was always the case.
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I'm quitting ToS for now. I'll probably be back when and if R9 comes out. Until then, I'll be elsewhere.

If any new SEA players who would like to join Comfy, please PM neshoi instead.

I also won't be visiting this thread anymore until R9, so this is goodbye for now. It was a lot of fun to be part of /tosg/. I really enjoyed my time here. I hope we'll meet again perhaps in another general or in-game in another MMO.

Good luck everyone!
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>>172538860
it clearly shows the gems you retard
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>>172538979
See >>172538608
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>>172539043
see >>172538775 (image)
also >>172538608
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>>172539105

please no one else bite this bad bait
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>>172538775
Welp, time to quit this game once and for all. Also the fact that they aren't just removing transcendence is the biggest cancer. Now I can't even use alts to farm Saalus? Fuck this game.
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>>172538947
Thank you for everything. I guess it's also time for me as well.
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>>172538947
Where will you go now ?
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>>172538775
Great move. Now I can end it all.
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>>172539487

Dota, Don't Starve Together, FFXIV

>>172539462

Stay in discord faggot
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DINA
BEE
AFK
BOTTING

[ ALLOWED ]

LESS THAN 2990 PLAYERS
SCATTERED ACROSS 4 SERVERS

1/3 OF 2017 GONE
>he still plays this train wreck of an """MMO"""

Hello /tosg/, I came here to laugh at you again.
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>>172538775
>>172539342
>>172539626
>초월이 적용된 장비
>Transcendental equipment
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>>172538775
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>>172539873
I know this image, come back
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>>172540020
>>172540180
so basically that video shows... nothing fucking new?

just a fucking UI updated?

wow....
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>>172540435
Not really, most untradeable items bar transcended stuff will become tradeable with team storage.
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>>172538775
So this is the transcendence improvements they were talking about.
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>>172540415
No! I'm not who you think I am, most likely.

Miss ju guis
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how to distribute skill points for archer2 ranger scout fletcher3 mergen? I have never played an archer before and I honestly have no idea what's good or what's bad
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>>172542990
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#31418bbb.1a234a5161.1545.15213445.1f21315a65
No idea about Mergen
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>>172542990
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#31418bbbh.1a234a5161.153545.153545.1f3f5a65.254555
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>>172538775
>>172539342
>>172538979
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>>172545185
>cockatrice feather
I thought Koreans didn't rtm?
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>>172545185
It's still not april 3rd
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Should i put 10 points on Daino or just 5?
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>>172550687
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4333.1323394f5a65
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>>172550993
>Divine shitma

fuck off
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>>172551472
What the fuck you you rather take?
retard.
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>>172551707
rather max aukuras than take shitma
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>>172551802
>HP recover
>-% accuracy to mobs in a small aoe
Waste of points
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>>172552047
>implying it wont be THE shit when they overhaul combat and HP and SP recovery become godlike stats
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Futureproof is recruiting.
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>not abusing aukuas 2000 magic amplification animus

you only need to cast it once to snapshot
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>>172523264
Goddamn this is beautiful.

>>172530579
Wasn't Nodachi DPK too though?
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Why aren't you playing Wugushi, anon?
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>>172550993
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4333.1f3a4f65

Zalciai and Divine are useless
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>>172550687
15 if you think you will ever participate in gvg
10 otherwise
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>>172553726

post a true wugushi pic before asking
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>>172553726
give me a good wugushi build then
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Is this the optimal Miko point distribution for an INT Cleric?
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>>172553636
Pretty sure the silver mob drops are just fixed and manually set by devs.
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#21344466e.1321354551.14253541.1f23334d516575.1a213141516a7185.1135435185

So, what about this ultimate pvp sorcerer for 2x2? Raise now removes enemy evasion, riding now gives a gorrilon damage to templeshooter plus, you're immune to targeting with clonned bats (that also hurts) and well, templeshooter deal with infinite mdef people.

thoughts?
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>>172554749
Is hamayas hit count affected by levels? I think maxing kagura is super important.
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>>172555065
It affects the duration by 3 sec per level
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>>172538775
wtf are you bitching about? all they did was made the chat system to the was you retards wanted all along and the the item statues display more clear. It's always been that you can't move or tread trans items since day 1.

This is literally the same tier of fake news as what shillary did to think it will make trump looks bad.

>>172539342
either you are the same faggot or you are just as retarded as the guy above. it never said that you can't farm shards on the alt

fkin crybabies logics
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>>172555065
How do you exactly use Kagura?
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>>172555285
>This is literally the same tier of fake news as what shillary did to think it will make trump looks bad.
Healmage is that you?
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>>172553726
Because of obnoxious wuguposters like you.
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I WANT TO PASS MY TRANCENDED ROD VIA TEAM STORAGE

SO I CAN PLAY MORE THAN ONE WIZARD

WHY I CAN'T HAVE FUN, MR KIM?
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>>172554749
clerics are a support dps, not a main dps
you should max kagura as giving 60 to 160% damage to a doppel or two will outdo any damage you could possibly put out

you want max hamaya for yourself, 1 gohei is fine so the remaining points of clap/sweeping are preference just keep in mind clap only works on diev statues so if you are not a diev it'd be only used to clap on someone else's statues
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Healnigga is probably the one spamming WMAF racemixing threads on /pol/
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>>172555834
Make another rod. hheheheh
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>>172556970
TOOK ME SO LONG TO REACH STAGE 5 LMAO
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>>172554749
>2/5 Kagura
Might as well not skill not at all
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>>172557173
Do it again as Kim wills it!
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>>172555834
Make the mace.
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>>172557404

the mace is shit desu
can't even hit >3k mdef players

but yeah, purely for pve after the r8 mobs nerf it will cut, I'll eventually do it for my monko and well, new wizards
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Rate my cookie cutter supports

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#411333ifh.1a2a3555.1f3a4f65.1121354355.153545.155585

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#411777i55.1a2a3555.2a3a5a6a75.1121354355.1a2a5565
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>>172557556
It's not much worse than a stage 5 rod.
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>>172557638
Post full picture first.
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Redpill me on the sage class.
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>>172563727
It makes all archer classes useless with a single skill.
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>>172566379

lie. hunter still chew you no matter what
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>>172557638
UNCROP
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What is Corsair 3 good for?
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>>172567690

farm materials and recipes
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>>172567832
How?
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>>172566379
Hackapells, Rogues, Hunters, Sappers, Falconers, Wugus and Fletchers give zero fucks.
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Help me decide, /tosg/. This is purely for minigame.

I'm thinking on using this sage skills offensively more since they are working on raised unit. There are some faggot 25k HP archers with bazillions of mdef that take like, 50~120 damage/tick of psychic pressure lol. Currently I have both sage skills LV 1 at 0% attribute and 4 spare skill points (ruined my build with blink lv 3 but it has some uses since the distance if bigger but a little bit overkill for kino 3).

Anyway maybe this shit can help me deal with nuaele abusers

LV 5 MICRO DIMENSION
6870 attack, 3 overheats
LV 1 Ultimate Dimension:
1775 attack, 4 hits.

VS

Lv 1 Micro Dimension:
4038 attack, 3 overheats
Lv 5 Ultimate Dimension:
2947 attack, 4 hits.

My current MATK: ~3800 on glass moles.

I'm more towards ultimate dimension because of the larger aoe but one can't ignore Micro dimension huge 6k base damage and well, three overheats. Ultimate deals four hits against the 3 from the Micro, it's sure an advantage but remember mdef gets applied to both of those 4 hits too...
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>>172567896

Pillage LV 3. Each hit has a random chance to steal stuff from the mobs, sometimes a little bit of silver, sometimes that monster material you're looking for or even that fucking recipe. If you manage to kill mobs on a decent speed while also doing some pillage procs here and there, it's the best farming build in the game.
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>>172568894
>hackapells
literally two of them in any server
>rogues
see above also >landing backstab in pvp
>hunters
you got me, there is only suffering to be had
>sappers
you can literally just ignore their traps and even tank their broom tickles
>falconers
They can cc you but it's not like they can deal any damage so nothing really changes
>wugus
autopot.ipf, antidotes
>fletchers
broadhead can be removed super easy now unlike in the past, and there are so many skills that prevent it to begin with

>>172569313
Doesn't matter, both skills are SO slow that you could only ever land them on a heavily cc'd target and due to their small amount of hits they'd barely do some scratches on a nuaele nerf since they always have like 60k hp to go along with it
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>this general is still being made
I admire you /tosg/
you really do love this game
just wanted to pop in and say that despite quitting
I'm glad TOS has you guys

hope you're having fun with the game despite its' many, many flaws

peace
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>>172569947

Dude, I have Raise. 80k hp 5k mdef monster are a lost battle, but I need to kill that 5k mdef 20k hp dex Hunter...
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>>172570085
>5k mdef 20k hp dex Hunter
something that does not exist, almost no physical class players ever go for nuaele and the magic classes that do usually go full con

also, can you even hit things in raise with the dimension skills? remember they don't hit flying and raise cucks a lot of skills that cannot hit flying targets
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>>172570380
Does Raise proc Archer's 2-handed bow mastery?
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>>172570380
>I haven't seen it therefore your argument is invalid
kek
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>>172570380

You don't know how advanced is the current 2x2 meta on my server, lol. Archer goes full dex + nuaele, cucking every wizard that have less than 4k matk.

Dimension skills fails to work on Flyong mobs and Raised mobs, but it works on raised players (and some skills bugs, like flesh cannon).

>>172570556
It should work after this last patch.
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>>172570035
t. doppel
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What caused the huge inflation on tokens over the past few months?

Any new ways to make money other than afk at Dina?
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>>172572567

clear the 170 dungeon solo, anon. if you do it once a day you get the money for a token in a week
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What's a good Templar build?
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>>172572865
Clearing shit solo gets you more silver/xp?
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>>172572309
>People legitimately put Nuaeles on Archers instead of glass moles solely for minigames

This offends me on a deeply personal level.
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Not that it really matters but Pierce or Synchro Thrusting for Hop1?
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>>172572567
Huge inflation like what? from 2mil to 2.5 mil or from the ~700k just after beta when people had dozens of tokens from IMC's 98TP per token compensation and GvG TP?
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How do I fix this build?

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#113444
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>>172573104
pet Niggas dont need more dmg, but want to be immortal.
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>>172573104
>glass mole on hunter
This lowered my IQ by 20, now I'm at this general's average level of intelligence.
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>>172573019

Less exp, but full silver. It's like 300k/run.
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>>172573528
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#113444888.23334355.3541.1f213f516571.1f2a3151718a95
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>>172573603
No shit hunters are purely a minigame class.

Hunter players are imo the most retarded players in the game, choosing to specialize in the least relevant pvp mode in a game that already isn't good for pvp.
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>>172573528
Sword 2 Dragoon 2
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>>172573104

Archer 1 -> QS 1 (pavise/stone shot/caltrops) -> hunter 2 (ultimate cancer CC, reveals invisible players) -> finish with Musket 2 / Canon 2 (arguably the strongest now). But there's even Mergen and Hakkas rolling (yes, you can use hakka skills if you mount your pet after he's biting someone and kill sages faster)

Options:

Sapper c1 (detonate magic circles, punji for protection, stockades to wall homing shit like malleus)

Rogue for extra crit chance/steal magic circles, C2 for backstab, evasion and gas.

Scout c1: invisibility, barrel, flare shot (hunter pet + flareshot = missile hole gone in a few refreshes of the pet's CC)

Wugushi c2: pet CC + poison pool (can't spam antidote fast enough) = anything dies, also bypass missile hole.

Fletcher: Bleeding to bypass missile hole (but get owned by SPR memers), can also remove subzero shield (that totally destroys DEX hunters when coupled with missile hole). c2 for even more power but not really worth.

Falconer: c1 falconer incredibly kit is VERY annoying at 2x2. Hovering keeps other hunters pet at check and also keep people without pain barrier way, Pheasant does an almost full screen (cast pheasant, mount your pet -> coursing the KD'd player) and Hanging shot makes you immune to melee (time it well and you can avoid a full Rush).


Archer is S tier for 2x2 on the hands of a good player.
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>>172572567
Was a million when I quit a few months ago. I think I bought my last one in late november or early december.
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>>172573928
>hunters are purely a minigame class
[citation needed]
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>>172573928
T. cucked by a hunter
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>>172574993
they are shit in pve, so yes
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What's the best farming build?
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>>172575537
>for solo 170s
scout3

>for afk
necro

>for farming mob drops
Pyro2,Link2,Thaum2
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circle jerking general
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>>172575917
redundancy
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What guilds are recruiting right now?
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>>172576995
FP is
CnL not really (maybe if you'r stronk gear'd big dick DPS)
Cute maybe
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>>172577137
Is FP as boring as I hear it is?
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>>172577209
game is boring as fuck

FP probably barely has members
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>>172577267
What's the point of being in a thread of a game you find boring?
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>>172577484
I like some parts of the game, sometimes.
Other games i play dont keep me that much.
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>>172577484
to laugh at you
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>>172579634
>no Chocomancer yet
Fuck this game.
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>oh cool rank 7
>we can mix and match previous circles
>make unique builds
>exciting!

>oh cool rank 8
>we can- wait
>oh, we have to pick the new ones
>monsters too strong
>need meta builds
>oh transcendence? why?
>oh... all circles from 1 to 6 are worthless now

>oh rank 9
>same old shit huh?
>just C2's to overpowered circles
>more fucking transcendence farming
>more random cubes
>more random 0/3 drop chasing
>only meta builds work
>457 days to make stage 10

yeah, no. no matter what April news are, they won't save it.
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>>172580627
April news are literally about rebalancing transcendence and the damage formula anon.
They could fix a lot of things
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>tfw procrastinated using the reset tokens
>they all expire in some hours
>can't get myself to do dungeons a billion times
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>>172580989
>2.9k players online at prime time spread over 5 servers
>next week they're revealing their plans for an update that will likely take months to reach kTOS, let alone iTOS
>he thinks the game will live that long
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>>172582110
>gam ded soon
yeah true, only hear'd that like a dozen times, sure m80
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is this game good yet?
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>>172580627
Are we remembering the same r7 because almost everyone ended with an r7 class and relied heavily on those skills, wasn't all that different. Maybe not to the same extent but almost everyone ended on Fletcher 3/SR2, Warlock/Chronomancer3, and Plague Doctor.

And then there was lolswordsman.
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>>172582465
Try again next year.
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>>172582442
and each time you heard it another 200 players left the game
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>>172582542
Will it still be alive next year? Still top 50000 on steam?
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>>172582668
top 50 steam next year!

>>172580137
chocomancer in rank9 soon!

>see choco pizza when buying stuff earlier
niggers please
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How many Artilonium do you guys usually get per 3 runs?
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>>172569947
You failed to list a single one that's affected by missile hole. You just admitted you're wrong.
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Not played tos for a while
I have some questions

Is it even more ded than it was a couple months ago (don't worry I know the answer to this one)
Why does new FP leader have such a retarded name
Will the whole server merge until CnL now that guilds can have more members than players on a server
I guess that's all
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>>172584264
Yes
Its a meme alt account of a old member, but good leader (i guess)
No
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>>172584264
New FP leader name is a joke from Korean beta when the original leader's name was changed to something similar for being inappropriate twice. I doubt CNL merger will be a thing, it probably SHOULD happen but it won't because people are stubborn and guarantee they'll just try to snag strong people over the thread guilds.
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>>172582509
Plague doctors didn't really take off until they got c2 skills, and clerics were all over the place. Musketeers and cannoneers were common. Necro2's were around. Cryo3Kino3 was a standard build. People still made swordsmen even though they were cucks.
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>>172583714
You're defending a skill that completely nullifies one of the main attack types of the game without any sort of drawback.
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>>172583071
post that dev on facebook saying it's growing
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>>172584264
FP's founder and leader in the korean server was Lolipantsu, later becoming Lolipan in the steam server because someone took the old name first.
One day while playing in korea a random korean person whispered Lolipantsu telling him his name was offensive, and he didn't care if that was acceptable wherever he came from but it would not be accepted in the glorious land of Kim Jong-Un, so he was going to report Loli to Nexon. Loli thought it was funny and posted a screenshot in this general.

Some time later, when nobody was actively playing kTOS anymore, I happened to log in to check some update and noticed our guild leader's name was in korean. After warning Loli he logged in and confirmed he had got a warning message from a GM in his inbox and had his name force-changed for being offensive. The new name when translated through google translate would result in something like "apply a fine horse 3".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxVBokpH7U&feature=youtu.be

How do you think TOS will end?
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>>172584774
If you mean in PvP yeah that stuff was commonish but the game was new and people were a lot more willing to experiment, realistically Musket and Cannon were inferior to Fletcher and SR for world boss/ET respectively.
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>>172585437
glorious days

Thanks Nexon
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>Commander Load Phail actually ran away from me

Kinda spooked me, it hasn't done that any of the times I've beaten it up so far.
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>Found Golden Galok
>Oh booooy
>Got 3 fucking nodachi and 8 leather
>No Battle Bracelet
T-thanks Kim.
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I just hit rank 8. How should I level now?
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>>172585593
Probably with the same obnoxious tooting. Also the end is coming, that's the big announcement in April.
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>>172584264
>Why does new FP leader have such a retarded name
I made a meme team like >>172585437 >>172584618 said. I hope you're also aware that I'm a highlander peltasta rodelero squire2 templar.

As for merging, the niche for things like bullies will still exist regardless of guild sizes, but it's up to CnL to decide what direction they want to head in. We don't know when the patch will be, so chances are the game will die several hundred times and everyone will quit, come back, and quit again before the change.
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>game is dying
>i'm still alive

someone kill me
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>>172586253
Part of me wishes they'd do a hard reboot similar to what final fantasy does. Not because I actually want a reboot or am under any delusions that I'd be a top player in a remade server, but because it'd piss off all the RMTers, Chinese don't give compensation.
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>>172584864
Yeah, which is pretty average for this game's balance. It's barely in the top 10 list of bullshit skills.
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>>172586110
same as before

quest, missions, grind, maps
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>>172586780
Honestly, I think a private server would run the game better than IMC, but there wouldn't be any new content unless IMC kept it going.
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How do I make friends in this game? It's getting pretty dreadful, leveling by myself.
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>>172585638
Hardly anyone did ET and world bosses were dominated by a small mafia. You started off saying "almost everyone" and now you're talking about 2% of the population, and those people often had alts with different builds.
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>>172587019
You don't, they'd have to be on the exact same quests as you, and at the exact same level. There's only a 1 in 400 chance that someone's the same level as you, even lower that they're on the same quests, and there's only 1000 players left in this game on your server, and that's without removing the Chinese bots.
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>>172586972
No, I trust private server runners less than developers because players are INCREDIBLY biased.

>>172587229
ET and world boss were literally the only end game content for PvE and there was no Rexipher/Mirtis/Helga/Marnox mafia, any build is viable if you just want to fuck around outside of those and don't care about efficiency even today.
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>5.1. Black Hole Gimmicks Removed

We understood that black hole gimmicks, being virtually inescapable, were becoming a nuisance for innocent players walking by and a stressful interruption to hunting and questing. As such, we decided to remove these gimmick and make their rewards obtainable from other gimmicks in the game.

We’ll be removing black hole gimmicks from the following regions: Alemeth Forest, Kalejimas, Elgos Abbey Main Building, Salvia Forest, Maven Abbey, Grand Yard Mesa. The rewards you could only obtain from the Grand Yard Mesa black hole will become available at the “delivery recharge” gimmick in the same region.

Thank fucking god.
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>>172587413
Do I just move on over to WoW?
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>>172587908
Come play tera with me instead
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>>172583701

Also, does every monster in there drop it or a specific one? I only got 1 artilonium in 4 runs, but I'm not killing the mages that fucking fling you around everywhere
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>>172587908
You have a better chance of catching up in this game than you do in WoW. Also, don't make any alts on WoW or you won't even have a chance of catching up. Oh, don't get the wrong legendaries either, or you'll have to delete the character and remake it.

>>172587817
I normally don't trust private server runners, but this game would be perfect for someone like me who just wants to do very slight balance changes and fixing shit. Too bad I'd have to remake the game entirely, which probably would't be that bad of an idea considering how shit the Korean code is.
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>>172518412
I know what you mean. It's like. Yeah you can get burned out of it if you play too much. But what game can't? I played skyrim for 200 hours before bruning out.
Compared to ToS where I was able to play for 2000 before burning out. Taking a 4 month break AND then going back to ToS again.

I say this game will be my MMO for life if they can improve it more!
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>>172588014
>p2w weeb pandering lolitrash

no thanks
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>>172588348
>p2w
lol
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>>172538008
You can share the flower branch hat. It can't be that you don't have a friend or a guild mate that doesn't have one right anon? Someone that trusts you enough to let you borrow their hat.
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>>172588450
>didn't dispute the rest

Also the combat is too slow for me after playing Black Desert.
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>>172588737
Why would I dispute the rest? Retard.
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Will tokens from the chest event be deleted next tuesday despite having a longer expiration date?
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>>172588723
That's not a cat
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>>172588723
I hate entrusting people with my shit, so in turn I hate borrowing other people's shit as well. Because later on they will expect the same of you, and they could well steal your stuff.
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>>172586082
silver and golden mobs don't drop old DPK drops
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>>172588834
>come play my shit dead game!
>wtf why did u call it shit and dead
>r-retard!!!!
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>>172589090
>lying about p2w
>no remarks about dead game anywhere
Okay, anon!
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>>172587817
The most popular PVE endgame was farming for profit, and if you didn't have heavy competition on demon lords, all kinds of things got cubes. Lots of people were building for things other than endgame PVE. We're talking about what people actually played, not what's technically optimal.

Today, the only reason you don't need to care about efficiency is they nerfed rank 8 mobs and buffed players. Back when it first came out, a lot of builds that were subpar but playable in rank 7 were having serious problems with questing and farming.
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>>172589398
I don't know anything about it other than it's dead because it had to go from buy2play to free2play, and that all the new classes are lolionly for maximum pandering.
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>>172538008
that quest line isnt that hard, but only gives material to craft it. not the recipe
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What's the quickest method to level at mid 90s? I'm level 94 and I want to hit rank 4 (level 126 around) by the end of today.
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>>172588723
So is that the only 2nd quest? I don't care about the hat part or friends. Only about the cubes.
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>>172589951
One entry reset voucher from the chests to go for another run in the lv90 dungeon. Then go to Fedimian and start doing merc post missions and lv110 dungeon runs.
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>>172589951

queue for the 80 to hit 100, do your missions at 100, use a reset voucher, queue for the 110, queue for your missions again - that should do it
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>>172588996
Jesus christ anon. Find him. I'm an atheist and I have a way to trust people. You start small. Trade small stuff and increase the value of the stuff you trade and over a long period of time build the trust of each other till you can trade the largest stuff.
Also being able to be in a guild for a long time would also bind even some people with sleezy thoughts to bunker down since they want to be in the guild as well and remain receiving the benefits of being in that circle.
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>>172590137
Is there an alternative to the 110? I remember it taking like 50 minutes the last time I did it.
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>>172589685
Going f2p doesn't mean dead.
First the p2w and now this. A new class coming out in april is non-elin. Female nonetheless, but oh well, it sells costumes.
Stop talking if you don't know anything about the game.
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>>172590259

quests, but just use a megaphone and people will queue in my experience
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>>172590451
How in the fug am I supposed to know about a game I have no interest in? Going f2p does mean it's dead. It means they were hemorrhaging players so much that they had to literally give the game away for free. And I wasn't even wrong on the second point, which was that all the new classes were lolipanderers?
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>>172590226
What is it with atheists and needed to announce their religion to everyone? It's like fucking vegans or something. It literally had nothing to do with the rest of your post.
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>>172590682
Don't spout misinformation like all new classes are lolipandering. A simple search will tell you you're wrong.
2/5 new classes tera has had are elin only and 3/5 are non-elin only.
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>>172590947
*tips*
Hmm myou're right it kinda didn't doesn't it. Worked it in the sentence since I said "jesus christ" and the whole argument against atheists suually saying that atheists have no morals since you know no god and stuff. Kinda felt it was necessarry to tangentailly place that there to hopefully reduce the views on athiests as non-moral monsters.

But I get you, don't worry. There is quite a large section of atheists that are quite insufferable.
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>>172591148
Oh, so what race do you play?
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>5v5 tbl rankings has 5 pages only
and people say the game isn't dead
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>>172591350
s-s-still t-t-top 30000 in s-steam
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>Realized I forgot to use my anniversary firecrackers

There went a cute photo op with my characters, dammit.
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>>172591437
kys stutter erp fag
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>>172591295
That's beside the point as I don't play any of the new classes.
The game's costumes do sell more for elins, i'm sure, but to say that all new classes are elin only is wrong.
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>>172591778
I would, but you need all the players you can get in this game. weet weet
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>>172591913
nah, no, we dont
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>>172590682
You're supposed to stop pretending you know if you don't. Fuck off. Going f2p makes games more alive. You shitposters really do use "dead" to mean "alive."
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>>172592253
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Are there any melee magician classes? Like solely using a sword as a magician.
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>>172592494
>Civ V is 7 years old, has a sequel and still has 10 times more concurrent players than TOS
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>>172592631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAQo8kQDUXU
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>>172592631
Yes, you can be a cute dagger wizard!
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>>172592631
Don't be dumb, this isn't the game for cool and original classes.
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>>172592494
like 75% dont play Tera on steam. and they gonna release it on xbone and ps4 soonish.

its shit, but not as dead as TOS
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>>172592710
To be fair, it's more played than the sequel. Civ games only get good years after release.
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>>172591913
stop summoning me you fato, we don't play this game anymore.

No but seriously what went wrong with this game ? it was really fun back then, i blame trascend and rank 8.

Still it's very nice to see people who keep playing this game i really hope this game at least get sucess in asia market, this game was too cute for this world.

weet out.
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>>172593260
I blame the 3 month early release. iCBT1 and iCBT2 were the prime time.
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>>172593520
I grealy enjoyed ICBT1 with party events, old school grind parties, and the heavy emphasis on upgrading your weapon early on, ICBT2 was really boring though they had started transitioning from grindy game to questy game and it showed.

Also bring back the cute little faces next to the chat boxes I'm so mad those are gone now.
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>>172501456
Why would you make a recruitment post with THAT webm? Are you trying to hurt me?
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>>172593814
iCBT2 still had highlights with places like Demon Prison, but it needed some alternative grinding spots so everyone wouldn't be stuck in the same place.
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>Healmage ERPing in guildchat
damn, i want to fuck that slut. what do
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>>172594656
She posted a picture before, you won't want to fuck that slut after seeing it, guaranteed.
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>>172594842
tosg would fuck a penguin if it talked like an anime girl
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>>172594842
i will.
actually i'd fuck anything that breaths. or did breath recently
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>there still isn't a pointy witch hat in the game
>every hat just looks like it flops on a characters head, not even centered correctly
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>>172595187
It's just like my 2hus.
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Possible death causers.

1/2

iCBT
>this test had less than <1000 participants!?!!?!!?!?!
>you had to grind as early as level 40

iCBT2
>lag, couldn't complete quests, dungeon crashes
>botters everywhere
>hacks already in development
>utter shit class balance and only R6 so we had no idea wtf to expect

iTOS release
>lags
>nothing fixed since iCBT2
>nothing implemented by suggestions
>shit server release (overflooded servers)
>no EU server on release
>quests didn't work
>dungeons didn't work
>exp curve was relentless
>pay to win hat enchants implemented despite outcry not to for iTOS
>world boss mafia was 2 fps hoglan shit fest
>getting to R7 was behind 3 or 4 grind walls
>non-meta builds never found grind parties
>streamers hit R7 and quit 'cos attention whores always do

Juny-July death march
>servers still bugging, weekly bugs and glitches
>forum outcry for shit performance and no patches
>weekly patch notes abyssmal lists of 3 items one of which was a proof read fix
>kTOS meanwhile on suicide watch getting patches and more p2w
>pay to win hats deeply in the game economy and players cry it should now stay this way
>nothing is fixed, content is shit and upon hitting R7 you had nothing to do but Maven grind and ET
>ET was a clusterfuck of meta elitism shit eating fuckfest

August-September nails
>Transcendence implemented
>already 4/5 of population gone
>no content fucking again
>more restrictions
>people quit as early as level 90 because boredom
>class balance fucked up again
>classes that were underpowered nerfed for no reason
>people now locked to farm a saalus, every, fucking, day - for the rest of their lives
>forum outcries against it once math is revealed how much shit you need
>IMC ignores all pleas
>faggots here defend it because they get too deeply invovled
>later gems become tradeable
>now it has affected the economy so can't remove it outright
>Economy = token sales

1/2
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>>172595429

2/2

October-November
>Here comes R8
>it's fucking BRUTAL
>people dying like flies with BiS gear
>no gear can be crafted to match the content
>only cheesy invinsible clerics can effectively solo it
>kings of ET and grind parties, Elememe's are now absolute shit
>monster mdef goes up the roof so fast you do 1's with decent gear
>some R8 class quests are near impossible (see alchemist, murmillo)
>guild system still fucking garbage
>gvg has been exploited so far it's now impossible to reverse the effects
>IMC goes ahead and nerfs some swords and calls it a year and holidays beginning
>few more shit events and people find exploits
>suddenly some faggots have hundreds of lvl 7 and lvl 8 gems in a day
>content still fucking NOTHING
>people find out about practonium and how limited it is
>more Korean pay to win gacha news make people want to quit
>they fucking ADD IT INTO iTOS
>pay to win necklases
>cute outfits RUINED with some shitty medallion system
>gacha shit FORCED ON PLAYERBASE DESPITE HUGE OUTCRY AGAINST IT
>shitty fucking hats flood the economy
>it becomes rooted into the marketplace economy
>it's now too late to remove it
>faggots here accept it again and life goes on
>gems buffed to insane levels and so far PAY TO WIN hat enchants
>effectively making pay to win hats the norm
>IMC gives out 1 stat reset to accounts with 8 characters
>tells people to fuck off they don't care
>IMC calls it a year

DECEMBER
>HERE'S AN EVENT

JANUARY-APRIL
>HERE'S AN EVENT

Truth be told I quit hard after October so I have no idea what the fuck was added in December up to until now other than nothing fixed, swords nerfed again probably, a Miko class to the most overpowered class in the game and more practonium shit and pay to win gacha WITH practonium inside of it.

As far as I can tell, the game is already dead and IMC is just planning it's funeral with minimal costs.

2/2
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>pay2win hats
>pay2win cubes

I love this meme.
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>>172595429
>>172595591
You missed the day guild neutrality was implemented. Overnight, a couple guilds just disappeared. Over the next two weeks, maybe 1/3 of all guilds in Klaipeda were gone. Futureproof hadn't lost any players at that point, lost about 2/3 of the original founding members over the next month.

The reason the game is shit is because IMC completely lost sight of what they wanted to be. Compared to what they promised the game early on/during development, what we have now is just another daily chore simulator that doesn't even have good enough customization to justify calling it a cute game.
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>>172595591
>Truth be told I quit hard after October so I have no idea what the fuck
swords are OP
agny is OP
migo is OP
no p2w pract gacha
mob nerfs

there was not much or no grind before rank7 in release
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>>172595429
You didn't really need to write all that out. Easily the biggest cause of death is the poor optimization. Even super shit games can do well as long as they run well, but they have to run WELL. Just look at WoW for example, that game hasn't improved in years, but even in Vanilla that game ran like butter even on the shittiest of computers. A better example would be MapleStory. No story, extremely repetitive gameplay, but your character did what you told it to and lag didn't impact much.

This is one of the problems with Black Desert, the game is amazing in terms of combat and the scope of life skills, but the constant desync even when doing basic shit like FUCKING WALKING OR JUMPING is enough to piss off anyone. Not to mention it takes up a fuckload of RAM. Same issue with Dragon Nest, which died because of p2w trash, but it also had a major desync issue that constantly bothered players.

I swear, you could make the shittiest most boring MMO ever, but if it runs at a good framerate, doesn't wreck your RAM, and doesn't have desync issues, you will have a playerbase.
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>>172595591
Can someone fill in December, January-February and March-April? As far as I know in December the game had 4000 players and today it's 3000, so during those 4 months the game only lost 1000 players.

I'd like to see someone fill these in. Thanks. Just focus on what IMC added that was wrong and be critical. Don't sugarcoat it because you're afraid that someone might just realize how bad things are. Try to include multiple points of view from different classes and perspectives like: a whale vs a casual OR a sword vs an archer OR a cleric vs a wizard OR a necrobotter vs a legit farmer.
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>>172596547
no, i cba
why? what for?
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>>172595429
>>172595591
To summarize:

>Players ask NOT to implement something
>IMC implements it anyway
>loses players

>Players ask IMC to fix performance
>IMC claims there's nothing they can do
>loses players

>Players ask for the removal of transcendence for months
>IMC ignores them
>loses players

>Players ask for removal of trade restrictions
>IMC mumbles about botters and ignores them
>loses players

>Players ask for class balance
>IMC buffs clerics and ignores the rest
>loses players

>Players ask for PvP balances
>IMC removes GvG, Open World War and Introduces Inquisitor cancer
>loses players
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>hurr durr game is dead
>game was always meant to be a whale/neet paradise niche game for a small community

consider every single aspect to the game and tell me what chance it had to work with >10k players
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>>172596547

Why do you care so much if you think the game is shit and you stopped playing half a year ago? I don't think anyone still playing here has any delusions about why the game is the way it is.
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>>172596794
add
>Players ask to implement something
>IMC implements it
>Playery QQ
>loses players
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>>172596797
B-but muh RO
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>>172597020
specify
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>>172597624
ppl ask for more quests, more dung, less grind
they get it
still cry

and other shit
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>>172597704
I don't call the disgusting things that asked for more quests and dungeons "people".

All we needed were more grinding spots.
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>>172597869
true, but IMC listening to these 'people' also did part to ruining TOS
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>People making up all these reasons for why the game is "dead" because people naturally quit when the release hype wore off

Ffs you guys are dumb, all MMOs go through this unless they are from a big name company that normies can latch on to.

>>172597869
This was never going to survive as a legitimate grinding game RO successor, in the first beta test they had to give out extra keys within the first few days and extend the beta because "waaah you have to grind too early".
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XD
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>>172598072
The reason people were complaining about having to grind early was because you literally didn't have a single skill worth using other than auto attack up to that point, unless you were a Pyromancer, then you got to use Fireball sometimes.

That's still a major issue with the game, skills don't feel rewarding to use because their range is so small and the mob density is also small. All they had to do was make cute Diablo.
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>>172597123

game never meantto be Ro, it was just a PR stunt. It's another ERA and the game still deliver the ROesque feeling class/skill wise. Kim is really a genius, but he know his business, unfortunately the lacks a proper management and fucked up on the direct 9 shit, rest is fine, but forget this billion players idea
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herro we got new patchu soon, apriru biggu thing

ooh u tink its r9? oooh

ooh thank you haf a good day
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>>172597704
>more quests
oh you mean those 5x repeatable quests for 5x exp cards

more dung? no new dungeons have been added since last october

less grind? exp curves are still exactly the same and no new quests have been added

wtf you smoking?
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>>172599801
DELET THIS
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Don't bully Kim and his autism.
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>>172593845
>74.62% tax
Jesus christ brazil. Please vote out your shit government officials.
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>>172599801
you really that new?

they added tons of new quests but its still not enough for crybabbys

almost everyone wanted 5 entries like ktos had. and they give ~double exp now.

you literally dont have to grind anymore

>since last october
or are you that quit-half-year-ago fag that does not know shit? fuck of fag
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I member.
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>>172600857
why are you so aggressively defending a kusoge?
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>>172600857
Are you trying to ad hominem attack on an anonymous image board by identifying the habits of anonymous posters to serve as your counter argument?

In any case, yes. And no I won't.
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>>172601196
im not defending shit. yes game sux. but that fag should stfu if he has no idea what hes talking about
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>>172594656
>>172594842
STOP SPREADING DISINFO ABOUT MY WAIFU
REEEEEEEEEEEE
SHE'S PURE MAIDEN AND NEVER DONE THINGS YOU SAY
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>>172602082
I've seen you're waifu's cunny. It's gross and fat
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>>172602082
well, your 'waifu' is having 'wedding night' with pretty much everyone
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The game is dead because IMC has made endless blunders. This game had the potential to be the weeb MMO to rule them all, but they dropped the ball.
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>>172602082
>She
You faggots really make me laugh
Thanks I guess for making my day just a little bit brighter
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>>172602152
>>172602262
SHUT UP DISINFO AGENTS
I KNOW MY WAIFU AND SHE WOULD NEVER DONE ANYTHING LEWD
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Is the red revolver any good or did the cube just meme me? I'm trying to get a pike.
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>>172602414
Not really. The MMO market is pretty saturated right now, even on the weeb front.
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>>172603105
Name me some more top down 2d sprite based mmo's that are popular right now
I'd honestly like to play some
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>>172603818
>2d sprite based
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>>172603818
Why not play a real MMO? 2D sprite based games only exist for people with literal fucking toasters, and ToS doesn't even manage to fit that with the shit optimization.
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>>172603818
>2d sprite based
You realized that the whole game actually 3D with locked camera ?
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>>172604597
Except your face!!!1

and everyone's face
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>>172603818
Ragnarok Online
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>>172603818
>>172604824
RO is still fairly popular in japan, as dead as this game everywhere else.
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>TOS has 3 streamers, 12 total viewers on twitch
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>>172603948
>>172604597
Well whatever it is, chibi animations or something I don't know what you call it

>>172604824
Old as heck and already played it to death.
There must be something else like RO and ToS that isn't RO or ToS

>>172604046
They all feel like WoW clones
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>>172605256

thank god, 99% of streamers are pure shit
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>>172605280
>There must be something else like RO and ToS that isn't RO or ToS
ロードス島戦記オンライン
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>>172603818
Not top-down, though.
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play Tibia, retard. A fine german MMO.
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>>172600827
Brazil is a lost cause. Someone please invade us. Independence was a mistake, democracy was a mistake.
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>>172605256
>>172605443
im a streamer and I get average 200 viewers sometimes

I almost streamed this game but /tosg/ made me realize its not worth it
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>>172608125
Ever wonder why BRs are so dominant on the PC, but not as much on consoles? Here's the answer.
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>>172608125
Does that mean 144/199 is the tax or there's another 144 tax on top of it?
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>>172608330
>The guberment which does nothing to add value to the product gets 63% of the final box price
kek

And what do the guberment do with all those money? Take a guess.
Hint: It's not creating jobs or more products for other people to buy and enjoy
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>>172605280
Trickster O.. wait.
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>>172610020
It's for building a giant Mary statue, right?
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>>172611089
and building soccer stadiums, which will be used 2-3 times for worldcup, next to starving kids
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>>172612047
Illegal immigrate those kids like the Mexicans and rent them out as maids.
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>>172612223
This sounds like a doujin.
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>>172612223
The problem is that we only border shittier countries.
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Calling it now, stat and skill rework will be even more poorly thought out than the current system but will make the game significantly easier so people will praise it.
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Anyone got a item with HP recovery awakening? How's the range?
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>>172614325
It's bigger than what https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ry-wk544z3NJ0RGjAUKzE_3BADKUzb3Us6JdlB73vAg/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 says, but no one will update anything. It's like 3 times the listed values.
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>>172615129

yeha, I saw the spreadsheet and realized it was much lower than one item I saw a guy using ( ~170 boots). thanks anyway
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>>172615507
Well here are some values.
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>>172616134
These values on HP recovery will give Agny a run for its money on non-fire magic users using Animus.
Imagine all your armor having HP reco.
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>>172616713
I wish my everything had hp reco. I have over 1k now with the purple 315 staff already.
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What're they announcing in April? What're your hopes /tosg/?
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>>172617872
Announcing the move to ToS mobile
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>>172617872
ROGUE becoming GREAT AGAIN!
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>>172617872
Announcing the spiritual ToS successor
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>>172617872
r9 class previews
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>>172618301
Was rogue even decent ever?
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>>172619279
ICBT2 when there was only 6 ranks.

Vendetta was a skill-shot buff that added +50% of weapon damage as STR for the whole party.
IT GOT NERFED TO THE GROUND.

Seeing there are a lot of self buffs now that easily go to +100-+150% with NO SKILL requirement to activate. It should be reverted back to its previous form.

Also karacha set multiplier was x4 before.
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>>172619424
>+50% of weapon damage as STR
>+50% of 8k as STR
Yeah, no.
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Is there a place to see which skills have what modifiers, (t0 t1 t3)? Is it from the enhanced skill addon, because when I install it my skill descriptions get wiped
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>>172619778
>t. dopell
>t. fencer

+150% of ALL PHYSICAL DAMAGE increased.
x3 of ALL CRITICAL damage DONE. (Note not just critical attack stat. THE WHOLE SHEBANG)

Both having 8k weapon damage.
Both easy to apply buffs/debuffs
Both not requiring any "last hitting" to do.
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>>172619929
And you want to make that even stronger.
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They changed the event by the way.
You can now open one chest at lvl 330.
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>>172620325
Ah I see where you are going with this.
Then just make the Vendetta a self buff.
So no sword cucks become too strong from it. Or give out a nuetered version for party members 10%? Not sure.

The last hitting mechanic is really really weird though.
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>>172620327
Kek. So my lvl 321 still can't open that last chest. Bravo IMC. Why not just go all the way?
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>>172620496
>leveling a bad build past 317
retard. At least they gave you the TP to buy the skill reset.
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>>172620442
just share it with archers
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>>172620737
I like this plan.
So an archer team would want a rogue 3 with them for max leveled vendetta. Sounds good actually.

Some neat combos that can arise are Necros. with their dirty pole. Vendetta for the last strike with enough practice should be doable to get the vendetta off on dirty pole.
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>>172620737
And make swift step only shared with archers too
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>>172620846
Would an archer even be able to kill dirty pole?
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>>172621159
>Feint barrage is 30 hits in total point blank
>Flare is 30 hits at lvl 5
Yeah I think so. Got to be smart about it though. Basically you are trading enemy damage to buff your team mates.

Timing it will be a bitch though. Vendetta is a single 1 damage on dirty pole. Got to literally bring it down count by count blind.
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>>172621289
Do they proc dirty pole? You can only kill it if you proc it as far as I know, and that's done with melee attacks.
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>>172621385
Nah. You can damage dirty pole with your own magical projectile. I don't see why it won't be killed by a physical projectile.
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>>172621441
>You can damage dirty pole with your own magical projectile.
Not happening for me.
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How much exp does a lv6 red gem give?

e.g. How many lv6 does it take to make a lv7? Thanks.
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>>172622456
Each gem gives enough exp to take a gem of the level below it to its level. e.g. a level 6 gem gives the exp it takes to get a level 5 gem to level 6.
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>>172622676

I see, thank you.
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Look at this.
Look at this and despair.

This is the average forum poster trying to influence the IMC devs in the forums.
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>>172597704
>more dung
>they get it

But the number of available dungeons and missions is literally shrinking.
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Ok /tosg/ This might be a really important time so they hear our voice and not the bumbling masses of idiots from the forums.

Go here. This is going to be an important event.
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>>172626349
>Ok /tosg/ This might be a really important time so they hear our voice and not the bumbling masses of idiots from the forums.
>Go here. This is going to be an important event.
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Is centurion a shit class?
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>>172626540
No, but its not ingame.
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>>172626349
>hear our voice and not the bumbling masses of idiots from the forums.
/Tosg/:
>Remove all forms of PVE and replace with PVP. Leveling and silver gain is done by killing players and killing higher level ones drops blessed shards.
>Class resets purchasable from the TBL shop
>Remove neutrality
>Make it so people not in guilds cannot level except with exp cards from TBL
>People not in guilds may also be killed by people in guilds and drop talt on death
>Bring back GVG TP
>Move heal up to priest and make it scroll-able again
>Remove quickcast, missile hole, raise, joint penalty, levitation, frost pillar, and magnetic force
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>>172626639
And will never be.
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>>172628034
I'm sure some would mention some of this, but not all of this.
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>>172614185
I honestly can't picture a worse system than what it is now.

All they have to do is blatantly copy pre-renewal RO. It can't be difficult, right?
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>>172628812
>All they have to do is blatantly copy pre-renewal RO. It can't be difficult, right?

Oh yeah, the system where if you even put one stat point wrong accidentally, you fucked up your bonus and your build and need to remake.
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>Team Skull
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Ummm...so running shot will triple wugushi puddle and poison damage? Is that right? Because it sounds broken as fuck.
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>>172629637
No.
Running Shot only works on auto attacks
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>>172629417
Yeah, it's much better to have a "pump it all into a single stat" system.
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>>172629691
Are you sure? I'm seeing a lot of people making QS3Wugushi3, even though they forfeit an r7 class for wugushi. There must be some trick to it.
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>>172629723
Like you'd do anything else. Name a game where it's good to have your stats spread even over most in one or two stats or full on min maxing.
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Some hoplitegoon 10 levels below me outdpsed me in siauliai
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>>172629843
>There must be some trick to it.
Both QS3 and Wugu worked better with full STR, so people just put both in the same build.
It's basically an outdated build that was even before.
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>>172629987
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks.
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>>172629857
Pre-renewal RO.
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>>172630154
In pre renewal, pre extra levels too, RO, it was a good idea to have your stat points spread evenly among all your stats and not in say, dex and int or whatever?
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>>172630585
Not evenly, but it was a good idea to distribute among various stats, depending on your build. It was even impossible to stick to a single stat because of the 99 cap and diminishing returns the higher your stat was. Distributing evenly would be just as bad as pumping a single one, I want to see better variety in stat builds, not everyone having the same works-for-all one.
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>>172630742
The game is like that now. It probably just needs a stat cap, which as you mentioned, is the reason you wouldn't just stack all in one stat, because you most certainly would. were you able too, diminishing returns or not.
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>>172630974
>The game is like that now
Tell that to all the full dex/full con builds around. Also the game favors investing a lot into a single stat, as you have incrementing returns instead of diminishing returns.
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>>172630974
To elaborate, stats are both worthless, yet people can't bring themselves to stack more than one of them. But there's plenty of skills that suggest taking high spr or high str or high dex or whatever. There are some dumb decisions like spr making summon defense go up but summons draining sp by % instead of a fixed number that will probably be changed.

>>172631141
>as you have incrementing returns instead of diminishing returns.
Consider this, once you start getting like 3 points per 1 point, you can put 2 points into something else instead of putting in 3 points to get 3 points in a stat. In the diminishing way, you'd have to put more points into the primary stat and have less for secondary stats.
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>>172631417
Er for the first, I mean there are opposing skills in classes that suggest taking more than one stat in your build.
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>>172631417
>Consider this, once you start getting like 3 points per 1 point, you can put 2 points into something else instead of putting in 3 points to get 3 points in a stat.
While that is true, getting so much more for each point tempts you to go even further which would put you at an exponential advantage on the effects of that stat over people who chose to distribute more.
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>>172631583
Like I said, they probably just need a stat cap.
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>>172631759
And change how each stat works. DEX is just retarded right now. Stat cap would probably be a percentage of your current level.
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>>172631843
>Stat cap would probably be a percentage of your current level.
Just cap it by class rank.

A couple more stats would be good but they could also just make certain things (like evasion and accuracy) be entirely on your equipment, like with defense.
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I have not played this game for a decade. Red-pill me on why this game still exists.
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>>172633348
It's fun.
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>>172633524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmpM4lRt3FA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5QDtnojAL0
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>>172633524
I bet you never had the pleasure to having to deal with him in your party, he can't literally play with anyone not sucking his mighty Doppel dick, never seen a man caring so much about his epeen.
Initially he used to RMT his shards or ET reroll funds but for some reason he had to roll enough alts for 30 Saalus/day, thinking someone cutted the credit card
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>>172617872
shutting down servers
cross realm dungeons
rank 9
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>>172620737
why are archer players this retarded
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>>172617872
Luchador and Matador!
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>>172635110
Do you think the luchador mask will conflict with the murm mask or will count as it?

When will Mages get a mask wearing class too?
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>>172617872
Shepherd so that I can finally have a dog.
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>>172635281
Just think, you could have had a giant dog during this event if IMC hadn't dropped the ball.

Also think of all the shit that's getting nerfed before new classes are een released now. You know they had all the classes ready back when they were idealistic about the game.
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>>172635263
I think it will conflict. It's probably the same mechanic of a skill equipping the mask.
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>>172635373
I hope we do get another giant pet event in the future, but it seems unlikely.
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>>172635073
kys swordstrongman
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>>172633801
What is with BRs putting unfitting shitty rock music to every video?
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>>172636493
He is russian
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>>172636541
literally the same thing
russians are snowBRs
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>>172635829
he literally wants a buff that has no down sides that gives fucking 50% physical (deeds) that instantly gives 50%, has no build up and 100% uptime shit AND is shared

like why the fuck do archers of this general say they want the most retardedly overpowered shit and none of you faggots even call them out on it and you go

>"durr huuhh uuhhh.......... YEAH we need dis LOL"

kys archershitman
>>
are blue gems good on your shield if your class doesn't benefit from the offensive ones? is the block you get from them significant?
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>>172636867
melee damage has
>taoist rain
>kagura
>serpentine
>many debuffs that increase specific melee damage

Why can't archers get some kind of way to help themselves sword"loved by kim hakkyu himself"man? it also requires you to kill something to get the buff which means it wouldnt be that incredible for bossing, though would still happen in scenarios. though i do agree it would be fucking ridiculous since it would be a buff that could be extended by melstis. If it couldnt be extended by melstis at all and had like a 5 or 6 second duration it would be incredible and more in tune to the current state swordfags get.
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>>172637635
deeds has a downsize of -----MINUS-----1 0 0 % O F A R M O R

Serpentine ONLY LASTS S E C O N D S limited AoE

fuck off
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>>172637635
>>172637635
you gotta get hit 14x times by an enemy before you're at full stacks of deeds while having 0 armor, this is not even doable against physical dps mobs if you got high evasion and mage mobs just kill you since 2h sword means no insane mdef shield

that's fun in ET or 300+ maps for sure

no but nah give archers a deeds equivalent ez-modo buff like swiftstep, with 100% uptime and no downsizes

this general, seriously. get off my dick archerkunt

now please, do show me the EUROPEAN whale McLaughing spinning for 199k crits in full solmiki gear
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>>172637963
>deeds -% armor mattering at all when ausrine and melstis exists
>10 seconds of +100% physical damage on a skill with like a 20 second cooldown

I tried to reason with you but i see you are still strong like retard.
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>>172637963
>deeds has a downsize of -----MINUS-----1 0 0 % O F A R M O R
Only if you play in a dead server that never gets updates
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>>172637963
It's not like both f those drawbacks are easy to overcome with a party.

>>172638169
Just eat a mushroom, retard.
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>>172638587
>retard
you couldn't be more plebbit than this
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>>172638761
retard
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>>172638761
retard
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>>172629987
Ausrine should block a limited number of attacks based on some kind of multiplier of skill level *0.X spirit and give limited charges per lap around it, that would make using it more strategic and require investment.
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>>172639927
Ausrine should last 5 seconds at all levels and have 5 charges per level.
Melstis needs to last 10 seconds at all levels and have the SP drain scale down with skill level.
Sterea Trofh is a glorified safety zone, they need to give it something unique like preventing debuffs or whatever and lower the duration.
Mackangdal needs to be reworked just like Bokor because they're both hot garbage.
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>>172640820
Macalacadingdong is really good it just requires too much coordination and is outclassed by Ausrine.

5 sec is way too short though, the goal should be to make it balanced not make it borderline useless without melstis.
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>>172636867
>Vendetta
>Not having the most awkward way to activate its buff Mechanic

>Deeds is not a one button self-buff hurr durr

Kill yourself +150% dopellcuckner.
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>>172639927
>>172640820
You mean in pvp only right?
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>>172641719
No, mostly thinking of pve. There are too many skills and classes that are outright useless because "lul perma invinc." It's to the point that people don't even really acknowledge that dopple has a downside.
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>>172639927
>>172640820
Thanks god you're not in charge of balance.
How does it feel to know even IMC is more competent than you?
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>>172642027
>perma invincibility+glass cannons only is fine
>all clerics that aren't diev 3/Kriv 3 being useless is fine

Nah, diev in particular has been way too OP for too long.
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>>172642304
>let's solve things by killing 2 classes completely
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>>172642368
The 5 and 10 sec suggestions weren't me, I'm only advocating for limited, stat dependent charges on Ausrine.
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>>172642027
>invincibility based combat
As competent as the retards who try to defend this shit
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>>172641879
Perma invince never comes up outside of like safety zone except in one specific circumstance though.
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Which is the best blue tini to get their horns from?
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>>172643074
What? Guild raid boss, Solmiki, and Blut are literally "Ausrine+Melstis: the movie starring dopple"

Basically the only time you don't use it is random matchmaking and solo play.
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>>172637963

>100%

People used to read the patch notes before shitposting on this general

someone, please, bring the brs back
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>>172643263
The ones in the snow map.
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Is there a five hammer equivalent for archers? Even if it is crappier?
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>>172644335
4 socket pistol
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>>172644335

chapparition shooter has 3 slots iirc. a gemmed one + arde will do, but you'll miss the bonus vs flying shit
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>>172644335
Even Eye with 4 sockets roll
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>>172644970
>>172645124
Thanks!
>>172645327
Wait, can you roll 4 sockets for it?
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>>172643339
You really spend a significant part of your time doing guild raids and blut?
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>>172646109
Not him, but the only other content there is in the game is just daily shit that any alt can do or farming where you have to use specific farming builds for efficiency
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>>172645980
All main HG weapon can roll 4 sockets with the appraiser NPC
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>>172647019
Thanks!
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>>172646562
It still makes up the majority of the content along with the actual process of leveling. You don't need to kill classes because of a tiny portion of the gameplay.
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>>172647141
Diev is OP in all forms of gameplay, it's not going to be totally useless just because you give it a hit limit to prevent infinite invincibility cheese and it's existence discourages people from making many builds since once you're done leveling them they end up having no niche.
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>>172647535
Yes it is. Just redesign the content.
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>>172645980
No it can't, max is 2.
To check max socket just check on tosgbase and multiply socket number by 2.
https://tos.neet.tv/items/163301
Harverster, a famous 4 socket weapon, has indeed 2 in tosgbase.
https://tos.neet.tv/items/103302

>>172647019
Lies.
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>>172648345
sugoi monogatari aniki!
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>>172649530
Nice photoshop skills there anon.
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>>172649740
You can miss out on it if thinking you're right makes you sleep better at night, I'll go ahead and make use of it.
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>>172649912
>no proof anywhere except your screenshot
>no 4 socket or even 3 socket guns anywhere in the market
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What the FUCK are these archers hitting me with that does 6k a tick every half second? Can that shit be blocked with dispellers?
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>>172651227
broadhead
use gohei, prophecy, dispeller, bloodletting
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>>172638761
retard
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redpill me on ignition
why people still buy that shit

isn't the only use for this on chaplain inq?
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>>172652398
It used to have the best SPR bonus on main hand weapon, it's worthless now.
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>>172652398
Is there a way to make use of ignition and blood dagger? It seems like it'd be nice to have things procing burn and bleed but there's no way to make them do significant damage, is there?
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>>172626349
I went to one that happened literally 5 months ago and begged for Corsair buffs, and they never happened.
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they increased the spawn rate of grim reaper in dina bee farm, necro afk farming is finished, when did they change this?
there's two grim reaper in every dina bee farm channel right now in klaipeda
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>>172652861
>and they never happened
but they just did?
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>>172652519

I see.
>>172652724
That's why I said chaplain inq... High SPR blessing = nice burn procs, plus, malleus debuff = target's matk as bonus damage on any damage source you have (be it autos, extra lines, skill or proc'd shit).

Blood dagger... ticks too slow, I don't know, you'll be giving up 225 elemental damage from the dagger to use that shit so I'm not sure.
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>>172652972
Just because I decided to make a necro. God damn.
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>>172652986
What buffs did they get? Surely you're not talking about the flag change or worthless skill pistol shot buffs.
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>>172653171
>worthless skill pistol shot buffs
Have you seen that shit in action?
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>>172653171

1000% damage ricochet on 10 mobs is bad now

>/tosg/
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>>172652972
What grim reaper?
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>>172652972
They can just move to dp2
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>>172654071
there's reapers in dp2
that said they were probably manually spawned by gm and after maintenance will be gone and they won't be put back unless gm is bored again
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>get automatched into mission 20 levels over mine
>all bosses one shoot me
>didn't get any exp
>all equips broken

THANKS KIM
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>>172653685
>1000%
That's not how it works.
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>>172654441
100% * 10 = ????
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>>172654329

exp tolerance now is 30 levels, but the one shot shit is still real, lul
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>>172654572
That's 100% ricochet on 10 mobs, not 1000% ricochet on 10 mobs.
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when will they sell potential fixing anvils at the tp shop
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>>172654840
Hopefully never.
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>>172655506

you don't want a red glowing stage 10 sarkimis? :O
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>imc killed dina bee farming right as i started to level a necro

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE SILVER NOW?
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>>172654840
>>172655506
>>172655589
Anvil enhancement rework will be announced in 3 days
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Who /$rogue/ here?
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>>172655680

after the changes to mobs (everything was nerfed, even truffles) I'm surprised people aren't afking stronger shit
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>>172655680
lol just give up, the people that afk necro farmed already have billions of silver
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>>172656075
Dina Bee is the eternal meme.
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>>172656075

then they'll just add reapers to that too
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>>172656427

after another year
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>there are players with all attributes max and 1,000,000,000 silver in their banks + over 20 tokens and in full solmiki with stage 10 weapons

Money = Everything.
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>>172658470
And what's the point?
Now they can dominate the daily chore end game content?
Now they can participate in the joke that is PvP? Oh right, even this was turned into a daily chore at preset times.
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>>172655680
no they didn't
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>>172655680
fix practonium and blessed shards
aka remove it

game saved
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>>172655680
souce / video / picture / webm? I can't play right now to check.
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>>172658470
Okay, but there's literally less than 1000 players on your server, so who gives a fuck.
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>>172658897
>nothing to do at level cap besides daily chores
>remove daily chores
>literally no point in playing the game
aka excellent plan
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>>172658470
>there are people with the finest education and 1,000,000,000 dollars in their bank + over 20 sports cars and full designer dress with their own private jet
so just like real life
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>>172659820
>anon defends daily chores
this general
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>>172659820
>hit level cap
>get bis gear after doing daily chores for years
>literally no point playing the game anymore
aka excellent plan
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>>172659127
Why are you celebrating? It's terrible news.
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>>172661258
If the game went years without an update it's dead, move on.
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people are only now realizing that pvp is the only endgame of any mmo

funny
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>>172662424
Right, that's why we have like 0 (zero) 5v5 games and maybe 2 or 3 2v2 matches per day.
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>>172658787
>>172659127

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/finally-imc-is-taking-action-against-dina-afkers-good-job/352718
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>>172662310
You mean like... now!?
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>>172662720
what, don't tell me you're still playing this...?
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>>172662579

only on your rotten toxic server
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>>172662142
t. jew
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>>172663493
Retard
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>>172662605
NICE!

This is actually a fucking good thing. Too bad it's too late. People have been AFK botting for like 7 to 9 months now.

Remove practonium and blessed shards and this game is golden.
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>>172554030
>Korasai isn't a true Wugushi
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>>172664003

If she doesn't wear the Wugushi outfit, she's not a real wugushi, just a poser.
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Dina botters deserve bans.
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>>172664230
>botters
yeah, the botters do deserve to be banned.
necros aren't bots however.
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>>172664536
you are
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Is the game down, already running it as admin
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>>172664536
In video games, a bot is a type of AI expert system software that plays a video game in the place of a human.

That's literally what your pets are, therefore yes you are botting. Get banned.
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>>172664203
That's why I'm going to wear my wugushi outfit proudly.
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AFK farming is even against the TOS. You should be banned for it. It's not botting because no third party programs are involved, but you are branded by users as bots because you are no different from them. It's a shame word, not to be taken literally and if you argue that "we aren't bots" you're clearly moronic and missing the point.
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>>172665727
>Get banned.
That's why no necro has ever been banner irght?
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>>172665727
If the bot system is provided by the game itself, should people still be banned?
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>>172666061
If they ban the 3 people who play the game, it's done.
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>>172666567
Good. They should. You can't hold an MMO hostage by botting in it. Even RO has less players but actively bans people. Why is TOS such a pussy about it?

The more they let you AFK farm in this game, the more legit paying customers they lose. Do you really think an AFK necro farmer pays or buys anything from IMC?

No. You're a leech. A disgusting piece of shit leech who doesn't deserve anything he has. You should be banned.
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>>172664230
Is this CnL
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>>172666061
>AFK farming is even against the TOS
no it's not
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>>172666567
>people who play the game
>AFK farmers literally avoid playing the game
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>>172667405

How does it feel to be so wrong?
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>>172670125
>vague shit
This doesn't anything
>abnormal AI
>abnormal
Retard
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>>172670517
Doesn't matter if it's vague, necro AFK farming falls into all those categories ergo it's against the TOS and always has been.

Kill yourself retard. It's not up to you to decide, but IMC.
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>>172670991
>AFK farming falls into all those categories
According you your interpretation.
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>>172670125
Necro farming improves the other players' experience, it also enhances the natural progression of the game. It also tests the limits of the AI so that it can be further improved.
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>>172671150
According to the Tree of Saviors Terms of Service, AFK farming and destroying the games economy in the progress destroys the natural progression of the Game, and hindering other peoples questing is hindering their gameplay in the progress. You exploit and abuse the spawn mechanic in one specific map for illicit gains.
There's no room for interpretation here.
I'm sorry your low IQ has a hard time with this.
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>>172671728
>According to the Tree of Saviors Terms of Service
That's definitely not it, since NO NECRO HAS EVER BEEN BANNED
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>>172671895
This is the fault of shit staff and one of the big reasons this game died.
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Afk farming isn't against the rules but it's really fucking gay that people make alt accounts specifically to do it, they should have put a stop to this shit months ago.
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>>172671993
There are tons of tickets that state how a0fk farming doesn't break any term of service as long as no 3rd part software is used.
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>>172671895
That's like saying murder is legal because a murderer hasn't been captured and prosecuted.
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>>172672272
No, it's like saying murder is legal because no murderer EVER has been prosecuted, which is obviously not the case.
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>>172671895
Wasn't there that one chick who got banned for farming, and showed herself on video ignoring one of the GMs repeatedly asking if she was afk?

There was a big stink of it on the forum and everyone making fun of her, I don't remember which GM it was but they went on a spree of asking people if they were afk and tempbanning if they didn't respond.
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>>172672485
Perhaps because law enforcement in real life is actually efficient compared to this garbage. I've personally exploited several flaws and bugs for my personal gain and never got banned, neither did anyone who abused the same exploits, so by your logic exploiting bugs isn't against the Terms of Use either.
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>>172672757
She was a chaplain and was obviously botting.

>>172672829
Again, it's not some or even most were left unbanned, it's ALL.
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>>172672226
You just confirmed what I said. It's why this game died.
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>>172673884
Yes anon, 47k people left just because afk farming
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I remember when I recorded 30 minutes of a video of a botter. IMC refused to ban him, because the bot responded to me whilst doing his macro. I recorded over 60 minutes of video of botters who didn't respond, and they got instantly banned the next day.

IMC is shit at their job.
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H-Hey guys, I'm sure other people asked this tons of times but I hope you guys can answer me:
I used to play ToS when it was first released but had to stop playing a few days after. I'm thinking of downloading it again, is it still fun? There's still a lot of bugs? The community is comfy?
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>>172674498
All mmos have bugs that come and go, but it's far, far better than it was at release. Early game has become more streamlined and there's a leveling event right now that speeds things up more.

Half of the community is bitter, the other half just play the game.
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>that evil laughter that the necromancer girl does when casting flesh cannon

BEST CLASS
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>>172675046
Thanks for answering, anon. One last thing: most of people in this thread play on Klaipeda, right?
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Whats the best PVP swordsman class?
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>>172675567
Yes, but keep in mind some classes are unplayable with high ping.
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>>172675046
>half and half
lol
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>>172675567
Yup, but it's also like midnight in EU so you're asking when most EU are not here. Go to the server that is closest to you as ping is everything in this game.
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>>172675578

cata dragoon/lancer for mounted, corsair 1+ rodelero2ragoon / rodelero murmillo for foot
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>>172676308
Dragoon 1 worth it?
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What do I play for Corsair C3?
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>>172676456

no. Always go dragoon 2. In case you go lancer, go sw 3 cata 3 corsair 1 lancer
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>>172674498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgYyGQiv5HQ
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>>172671728
How is it illicit gains though? We leveled a necro to get more resources.

What's topping people from making a necro fo their own?

Read pic related. People are just jealous I think and want the guberment (IMC) to stop these borgueias cabeetalist from earning money.

They will claim it's because it's "Damaging" the economy when in fact the impact is lower than the 290 rushes in terms of silver flooding silver in the market on even the most conservative estimates.
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>>172677851
The fact that you share your farm with other afk farmers doesn't change anything. It impacts the game economy anyway, no matter how thin you stretch AFK gains among other exploiters.
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QUICK. WHAT'S THE EXP RANGE FROM A LV 249 BLUE MOB?
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>>172678475
+/-20 levels for max exp.
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>>172678671

oh shit, the character I want to lv is 201... I'll bring another one
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>>172678187
Pardoners and Alchemists impact the economy too, what's your point?
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Sissel or Phada for a full DEX swordlet?
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>>172678954
Sissel
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>playing tos in 2017
>>
>Skull Smasher
>Vienarazis Mace
or
>Heart of Glory
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Holy shit some people.
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>>172678928
Pardoners and Alchemists trade with other players, sharing the economy's gains. They also pay % in their earnings in taxes.

Necromancers don't pay any % taxes. Necromancers don't trade with players. Necromancers basically print money ad infinitum with no material costs and no down time.

Necromancers simply inflate the value of silver. It's destroying how much money is worth for other, ACTUAL crafting classes. What's the point in making a pardoner, alchemist, squire or even an appraiser if a necromancer makes far more profit with far less investment and time with no costs what-so-ever?

What is YOUR point anon?
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>>172679697

>Vienamace

It's a luxury five hammer. has enough matk to compete with a windia rod stage 3 buffed by a squire. I suggest red for it so you can use on 3/4 of your 315 characters, also, takes only one pract.

>SS VS HOG

HOG might me good for pve for the extra def, but pure dps and possible for pvp (SPR) you should go SS, but HOG is the official magical girl weapon and SS triggers me, it's a beautiful blunt weapon that serves only to...cast magic basically...

IMC literally hates Monk, They should invert SS stats: Main physical damage and raw matk since well, Magic has two orange options already (staff and the HOG), Skull Smasher was a big mistake
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>>172679726
>Necromancers don't pay any % taxes
That literally doesn't matter, the tax is just a way to disrupt money, it doesn't benefit the economy at all.

>Necromancers don't trade with players
What do you think necromancers do with their money exactly? Store it in their team and masturbate at how much they have?

>Necromancers basically print money ad infinitum
retard

>with no material costs and no down time.
double retard

> far less investment and time
Necromancer is the only class between the ones you mentioned that needs to be r8 to afk effectively.

Again, you seem to have missed >>172677851 completely.
The silver a necromancer can make is limited and far less of what you're apparently thinking.
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>butthurt necro niggas on suicide watch and full defense force
hilarious
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>>172680440
Uhm mate. I know I made a long post but I am on your side. Read the thing again. >>172677851

Including the picture.
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>>172680940
I was posting for the first anon I quoted, not you.
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>>172680440
>it doesn't benefit the economy at all
Oh but it does. Same way attribute costs do too. If silver is constantly used and drained out of the economy, it keeps is stable. If you could max attributes 100% without any real silver sink you would have billions of silver right now. Silver sinks actually DO benefit the economy and hence why there are taxes. Otherwise people would circumvent trade restrictions using shops.

>What do you think necromancers do with their money
Irrelevant. It's the method it's gained. It's not gained. It's exploited into the economy. Necromancers then use these illicit and unfair silver to essentially rob the economy of anything of value and return nothing to it but silver that is now worthless.

>Retard
Not an argument.

>Double retard.
Not an argument

>Necromancer is the only class between the ones you mentioned that needs to be r8 to afk effectively.
What the hell does this even mean? Alchemist C3 need R8 too.

>read this about dungeon silver gains
It's irrelevant entirely once you realize that dungeon runs are a limited resource. Once you run a dungeon for silver you cannot run it again. It's limited by the game and thus it's not an unlimited resource as is a necrofarmer.

Thus running dungeons is a natural course of affecting the economy and it has it's limits. You pay (in dungeon runs and time) a price for these gains. Necromancers pay nothing.

You also have to actively do the dungeon runs, requiring the person to actually play the game and invest another resource of their own (time).

Necromancers also can easily farm Dina Bee at R7 and have done so for a long time. C3 necromancer is not a requirement to do this.

What is your point other than name calling like a faggot?
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>>172681086
Oh tehee.
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>>172680359
Heart of Glory it is then.
>Vienamace
>It's a luxury five hammer.
That's actually a very nice idea, I'll do it if I ever get a third prac, thanks.
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>>172681149
>Oh but it does.
I'm sure upping the market tax to 30% would bring nothing but benefits then?
Draining the market of liquidity is not always a benefit.

> illicit and unfair
Says you.
Killing mobs is the only way to generate raw silver, in case you didn't know.

>It's irrelevant entirely once you realize that dungeon runs are a limited resource
Good thing so is silver generated by necros then?
Great, you just said their silver is irrelevant too to the economy!
Pro tip: both are relevant.

>You pay (in dungeon runs and time) a price for these gains. Necromancers pay nothing.
You really have this weird idea that once become necromancer you somehow gain access to an unlimited and unending source of silver, which is far from being reality.

>Necromancers also can easily farm Dina Bee at R7 and have done so for a long time. C3 necromancer is not a requirement to do this.
Except their silver/h will be beyond those of pardoners and squires since actual necro c3 will cuck them.
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>>172681149
>>What is your point other than name calling like a faggot?
His point is to defend his shit with all kind of shit he can pull out of his ass.
Just dont argue with these retarded necro jews

They dont exist in ktos and its not worse there (ded too ofc)
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>>172681914
>You really have this weird idea that once become necromancer you somehow gain access to an unlimited and unending source of silver, which is far from being reality.
Why not? You literally need no gear or anything, just move to that map and afk 24/7
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>>172682062
Great, now take a pardoner and afk 24/7 except the 10 minutes needed to restock.
Is it unlimited silver?
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>>172682176
No you retard because it's subject to player demand and the money comes from another player so it doesn't cause inflation.
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>>172682176
Yes

And why do you even compare a afk class that provides some service to other players to your shit money making machine that does nothing for anyone?
You are are a jew, right?
>>
What's the best Swordie right now, and what's the best build for that swordie?
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>>172681149
>Oh but it does. Same way attribute costs do too. If silver is constantly used and drained out of the economy, it keeps is stable. If you could max attributes 100% without any real silver sink you would have billions of silver right now. Silver sinks actually DO benefit the economy and hence why there are taxes. Otherwise people would circumvent trade restrictions using shops.

Actually the way this game works with its insane amount of silver sinks in terms of attributes, having more sources of silver is a good thing.

Would you rather have to be able to sell your battlebracelet you farmed for 8m or just 2m?
It took you 3 hours to farm it for example.

The way attributes work in this game makes it better to have more silver in the economy to work with.
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>>172682630
Something something doppel 3
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>>172681914
>I'm sure upping the market tax to 30% would bring nothing but benefits then?
If you don't understand how MMO economies work you shouldn't comment at all.

>Says you.
Says the Terms of Service and says most of the remaining population of this game.

>Killing mobs is the only way to generate silver
What does this have to do with AFK farming being a legit method of acquiring it? In case you didn't know, this doesn't counter anything I said.

>Good thing so is silver generated by necros then?
No. It's an unlimited resource gain that inflates the value of silver. Google: inflation.

>Great, you just said their silver is irrelevant too to the economy!
No.

>Pro tip: both are relevant.
No, they aren't.

>You really have this weird idea
Who am I actually? How is that even relevant to my points? Attack the points anon, not me personally.

>weird idea that once become necromancer you somehow gain access to an unlimited and unending source of silver
It's a fact. The monsters spawn endlessly and your pets kill then endlessly. This is the reality.

>Except their silver/h will be beyond those of pardoners and squires since actual necro c3 will cuck them.
Of course a Necro C3 farms more efficiently. That's however completely irrelevant. You CAN AFK farm in Dina Bee as early as R7.

I destroyed your earlier argument where you claim that it's legit because "oh no I need to get to R8 to do it". You have a short memory span or you are twisting what is actually being talked about here.

Alchemist is a C3 and Rank8 class. Your argument was flawed and you're only making yourself look stupid by trying to twist what is being talked about here.

>His point is to defend his shit with all kind of shit he can pull out of his ass.
Just dont argue with these retarded necro jews
I'm more or less arguing here and on the forums (if you go to the thread on the general) simultaneously to get the most argument in favor of it, so I can counter them all in front of the developers.
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AWAKENING TRIGGERS ME SO MUCH LOL

MINE GOT 55 POISON ATTACK
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>silver gained by necros is unlimited
It's simply impossible to argue with someone who has no idea what unlimited fucking means.
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>>172682560
>You are are a jew, right?
You got me
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>>172683336
Yeah we literally mean "infinite" as in "necros have literally unlimited money" and not "the silver gained/effort invested ratio close to infinite"

Jews playing semantics doesn't surprise me.
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>>172683175
>55 poison atk
Which is better, no? I'd buy that bow. Not only it's +8, but it also has 2 level 7 yellow gems.
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>>172683590
>the silver gained/effort invested ratio
lol
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>>172683656

55 poison = 55 damage

73 PA = 109 when crits and can be boosted by glass mole
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>>172683803
Isn't elemental damage affected by crits too?
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>>172683761
Yes? Would you rather make $10 doing nothing or $12 an hour working a real job? Sure you make more working, but working requires mental/physical exertion.
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>>172683974

Nope, just a flat bonus. Only Fencer's Epee Garde crits multiply elemental damage.

At least +% attribute works.
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>>172684087
Are you sure fampai? Ele damage is normallyjust like physical damage except that it's mitigated by ele defence.
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>>172683803
Wait. You're not a Wugushi?
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>>172684175
>(((((Skill Attack + (Effective Attack * (100% - Level Penalty)) + (random(0% ... 100%) * Magic Amplification)) * (100% + Base Modifier)) - (Effective Defense + Elemental Resistance)) * (100% + (0 or 50% if crit)) + (0 or Critical Attack) + Extra Elemental Attack + Enemy Specific Damage) * (100% + Skill Modifier) * (100% + Common Modifier) * (100% + Target Modifier) * (100% + Enhance Modifier) + Bonus Damage
Yes, he's right, E.attack gets added after crit multiplier.
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So is it possible to kill this Grim Reaper or is it too strong? MIght be fun but apparently it's level 500 and normal Grim Reaper's disappear after 5 minutes don't they?
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>>172684416
Grim Reaper doesn't give anything. It's not worth your SP potions.
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>>172684416
Yeah, I killed it once when a low level (160~) spawned it.

Nothing particular happens and it doesn't drop anything.
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>>172684416
0 exp
0 drops
0 silver

It's meant to kill AFK farmers and botters.
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>>172684552
True but this one is level 500 and seems to have been manually spawned, you never know maybe they screwed up and put in the ET version.
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>>172680440
>Store it in their team and masturbate at how much they have?
I do this but I'm not a necro
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>>172684780
I think they just changed the code so instead of spawning of the level the nearest player is (or whatever method they used before) now it always spawns at lv 500.
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>>172684313
This formula is all kind of bulshitty especially regarding crit damage.
Like crit attack is normally boosted by the crit bonus too.
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>>172594842
healmage don't even use 4chan, so how can she post anything here?
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>>172585593
the ride never ends
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>>172685291
>/pol/mage is not using 4chan
toppest kek
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>>172685163

Pardon me? Crit attack is not multiplied by 1,5. You crit your physical attack then CA gets added later and THEN multiplied by attributes.


100 attack skill + 100 physical attack +50 crit attack + 50 elemental attack, +25% attribute skill on 0 def/resist =

312 damage on a normal hit

500 damage on a crit
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>>172685725
I bet the uses the other chan
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this thread is filled with anti-necrotism. remember the 6 gorillion levels you gained at dina bee goyim. imc owe necromancers because the rank 8 was the shoah and you're responsible. you don't want your greatest allies to quit do you?
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>>172686048
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>people pretending necro are relevant in anything
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The current event that gives the chest, are all the items you get from it timed?

I have a level 320 character, but haven't logged in for like 2 months. I heard there's a chest event.

So in short: If I login now, get the chest on my level 320 = can I open it for all the rewards if I want to use them later? I don't have a max level character though so the TP is out of my reach.
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"Whale" Musketeer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpapcTzY1LA
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>>172686750

You'd have to actually level to get any rewards. You open a chest per level.
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>>172687308
Ok thanks, guess no reason to then.
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>>172686750

You can level this character to 330 and enjoy 120 free tp.
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>>172687395

They're pretty good rewards. 320 to 330 is pretty easy unless you've used all your quest cards already somehow, and if you stopped playing cause you fucked your build up, stat and skill resets are in the rewards.
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>>172687545
I'd need a class reset, not stat.

>>172687495
Think cards alone would take him to 328. 120 TP isn't that much.

Thank you both tho. Just heard of the event and looked at the rewards which were cookies, vouchers and such but they look to be temporary so I think there's little reason to login to get those only to find out they're gone if I return at R9.
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>>172687212
>charge Covering Strike
>get swiped by Poata
The reason why I dropped my Musketeer, the only good skill takes forever to cast
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>>172687817

Use cards to get cookies/statues, then run the 290 dungeon+mission a few times, card to 330. or just do a few quests. 120 is really something
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>>172687212
>scout ranger rogue
retard
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We should just name and shame necro scum and heckle them of the server
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Doppels are cute!

CUTE!
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>>172689839
You mean sluts?
Yes, they're exclusively for dickings.
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>>172689839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsqixPyFp8

;_;7
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>>172689387

wut

this build is nice. what you want? qs 3? LOL
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What would a build like:

Highlander C3
Corsair C3
Doppel C1

Look like? Well this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcYdIaKq2I

Looks like: Suffering., but then again it looks more fun than being a pyro linker who uses 3 skills.
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>>172690843
Corsair is pointless with the dpk changes. You'll just be killing things 10x slower for almost no reason compared to a pyrothaum.
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>>172690949
>corsair
>slow
Have you tried not sucking?
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>>172690843
>losing half health and 1/3 of sp to kill 4 (four) mobs
That's pathetic.

>>172691026
You HAVE to be slow with corsair so pillage procs with every mob, or there's no point in being a corsair.
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>>172682560
Those extra silver gives people more money to work with for attributes. That's a good thing.

Also when you park a necro it's not unlimited silver.
Try to understand this post again.
Read the pic. >>172677851
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>>172691026
retard
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>>172691103
>That's pathetic.

It is. Swords have always been.
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>>172691179
Read the post: >>172682976
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>>172691340
>fencer can kill them with 3 casts of composee
>dragoon can kill them from half a screen away with dethrone
>doppel basically need to just look at them badly

One retarded build =/= all swordmen are bad.
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>>172691179
Stupid argument, necro farm is not magically for attributes only, silver is silver. Also the argument ignores the key issue that not only are necros making money for not playing the game as opposed to dungeon rushes which require player input, but the design encourages players to use an alternate computer to simply leave an afk Necro making money for their real account.

Stop obfuscating the issue with "but it doesn't make that much", it makes far more than it deserves to for the time investment.
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Doppel is weak.

>290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99p7hGi8G-A
Pay attention to when he has 4 or more stacks of Deeds and suddenly starts taking 2,000 to 5,000 damage. Nearly dies multiple times.

>290 after mob nerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7GKpLEy9S4
lol, 290 will now be piss easy for everyone

>crystal mines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs-Pm8ZpdzM

Don't make one, especially a highlander one like the shitter in the videos. Not worth it. Pyro does all this faster and gets 2x loot + doesn't need transcending.
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>>172692209
We already got the nerf, a PD can kill an entire room in 290 dungeon with 1 vapors cast and pandemic then afk for a few seconds
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>>172692209
What a shit class.
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>>172692209
>solo farming 290
who cares about that
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>>172692209
We already have this nerf, a Pyro can kill an entire room with one fireball.
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>>172692209
>PyroThaum is better farmer
old new buddy

Doppel is still best DPS
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>>172693145
What do we care about now?
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>>172693346
>Doppel is still best DPS

No it isn't.
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>>172693518
what class does more dps at high wb/et?

>pyro maybe 70k's
>doppel 199k+
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>>172693145

I do. The billion artiloniums I need to open meme cubes because no one fucking sells the recipe I need aren't gonna hunt themselves.
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>>172693660
They nerfed Doppel again. Cyclone doesn't do 199k now anymore. Go watch the video.
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>>172693725
well then.. if you want a farmer... Agny or maybe Cleric
if you want top dmg, doppel
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>>172693763
oh, they nerf doppels each week?

good gear'd doppel still do 199s while good wiz do 70s or so
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>>172692564
>and pandemic
Don't even need that, since that patch the spread range and speed of vapors is stupid, I cast it at the orb and when I leave it's already reaching the other room.
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>>172693968
They don't. Not after the nerf.

WATCH THE VIDEO.
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>>172679720
>Jews(Necros)
Seems accurate.
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>>172694036
i dont see a high ET/WB video posted

at these places they do 199s while other classes do half or less
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>>172694161
>I want to compare the ultimate whale doppel VS a pyro with tradeable/non-transcended gear.

Doppels cannot reach 199k anymore. Not solo and not in a group.
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Does anyone know how Cannon's bazooka interacts with running shot? I want to make an appraiser cannon for overvalue+transcended cannon shenanigans but I'm not sure how those moves actually interact.
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>>172694339
no
>I want to compare the ultimate whale doppel VS ultimate whale pyro
and in that case >>172694161
>they do 199s while other classes do half or less
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>Pardoner needs 3 circles
>Squire needs 3 circles
>Alchemist needs 3 circles and R8

>Appraiser is a 1 circle hidden class

Fucking bullshit.
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>people arguing over which class has the biggest DickPS in a dead mmo
only in /tosg/
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>>172694530
I don't think the shop part of it is that interesting, I think accessory share, improved subweapons, and the stat debuff ability are the actually good parts of that class.
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>>172694530
Pardoner needs 2 circles for shop, but still it is shitty of IMC to cuck other job classes.
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>>172694659
no, not only in tosg. in most generals and also forums for these games and probably at leddit too. its what people do.. if they play the game
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>>172694452
Doppels do not reach 199k damage limits anymore. How many times do I have to say it until you understand?
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>>172691856
>Making a business makes far more than the time investment
>Studying to become a doctor/engineer takes farm more moeny for the investment
>Pyrothaum earns more moeny for the time investment
>Corsair2 pillages more than the time investment.

Yes and this is a good thing. Different classes being good at a thing.
necros excel at afk farming.
Pyrothaums and corsair excel at DPK item drops
Oracles for the super rare spawns

This moves the economy. With more silver in the market prices can increase so people can get more silver (for their attributes) for the things they farm.
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>>172694802
>How many times do I have to lie until you believe?

nice try, but no
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Even Cata C3 farms the new 290 faster than a Doppel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA-6vvIru3Y
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>>172694530
Hunting grounds items are barely relevant. No one will make money with appraiser.
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>>172694938
>How many times do I have to lie until you believe?

nice try, but no
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>the standard measure for how good a class is is how fast they can finish their daily chores
jesus christ this game
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>>172694829
Except you still have to work an actual job after you study you shit, and the money saved on attributes from "more silver in economy from necro" is just converted to "I have to spend more money to buy my gear".
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>>172695264
>CHORES CHORES CHORES
>Solo farming a dungeon? CHORE
>Doing ET/Solmiki? CHORE
>Dungeon rush instead of solo farm? ALSO CHORE
>Farming your 330 weapon mats? CHORES

Chore is becoming another "whale" term that doesn't mean anything in the context of this game, if you don't like just killing stuff what the fuck did you ever play the game for?
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>>172695574
ERP and cutes
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>>172694829
but DPK is gone
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>>172695574
If this game is all about killing stuff it's doing a terrible job.
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>>172695303
Attributes in this game is much more expensive than gear though.

I say having more silver is a net positive. Just tell me if it doesn't make sense yet. i'll make a graph if so. I may have some time later this day.
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>>172695574
RO didn't feel like a chore.
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>>172695942
Dude you aren't going to "logically convince" me or anyone else that isn't themselves a necrojew that players choosing to afk 24 hours a day as a viable way to make money is in any way reasonable.
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>>172694802
Only if they now bypass the 199k limit.
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>>172695828
>>172695574
It's good for the health of the game if it's NOT only a game to KILL stuff. More variety is good. As much as it can help it. More variety in ways to earn silver is great.
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>>172696112
T-that's not good. Are you already closed uped and set in your ways without a way to discuss this issue?
How can we have a conversation then if you are already dead set on your thoughts without opening up to possibilities of changing your mind on the discussion?
I personally am open to being changed from a necro lover to someone that can compromise a bit more.

We need to find either a middle ground or a conclusion. Not this close mindedness.
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>>172696116
Is English your secondary language?
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Any true solo players in this general? How do you cope alone and what is your class that you solo with?
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>>172696361
Don't try to golden mean fallacy me, you are wrong. Players should not make money in any significant amount while they are not playing the game. There are multiple players at the farm that aren't even using the farm as an opportunity cost alternative way to dailies to make money, many are simply mule accounts that run 24/7 on a separate computer.
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>dragoon build can solo 290 without any whale gear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScdRG7FVxHw

why do people care about 290?
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For a Corsair 3 build should I just end on Hop 3 for spear throw? Pretty sure the best is Sword pelt hop 2 Corsair 3 for boosted hexen but I guess after that it's kinda uncertain.
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>>172690707
WUGU!!! WUGU 3
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how much is practo on silute and fedi?

practo sells easily for 45m on klaip
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>>172698027
Fedi had one for 36m on market yesterday.
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>rank 8 shoah killed over 6 million necro
>name the necro and shame the necro compaign anti-necrotism begins
>imc send literal death squad hitler boss after the innocent bee farming necro
this is the shoah all over again. this level of anti-necrotism can't continue
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>>172696910
Friends didn't like the game enough to stick around, but playing solo feels adventurous and I enjoy that, especially with the various environments ToS has. Going at your own pace is nice and chill too.

Fencer3 with one circle in Squire which is often really convenient because aesthetically rapiers are always my favorite so Fencer's always fun as hell no matter what I'm doing in game. Also have a Cannoneer, Miko, and Sorc though.
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>>172696930
For this case it's not a fallacy to use a golden mean.

The point I am getting at is that it is good fro the game to have as many different sources of "gameplay" and income source as possible. AFKing as weird as that may sounds is a legit gameplay type specially for those roleplaying as a necromancer that summons minions for armies.
Removing more options for the players is bad is what I'm getting at.

So the idea would be to find a fair price point where necro afks can exist without people spergging about it. Where normal people have options to farm muchmuch faster than necros.
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>>172698915
AFKing is not gameplay and don't pretend people do it because they "just really want to roleplay a guy/girl that sleeps a lot while his skeletons kill bees".
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>>172698763
That's actually really cool, thanks for sharing. Thinking of starting again myself and only rolling solo builds.
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>>172699390
People want the silver too ofcourse. It's an incentive. It adds some additional things you can do though.

Diminish the incentive or increase the active player farming capabilities and frind the correct fair price point and both can exist without the toher being perpetually pissed off.
No one is preventing you from creating a necro as well.
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>>172698915
Afk necros are a nuisance to literally no one. It takes ten minutes to complete Dina Bee quests with or without necros.
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>>172699527
I don't give a shit about alternative ways to make money, the game already has those. I don't think players should be able to make money in any reasonable amount while afk, it forces players to roll necros to be efficient since nobody can play 24/7 and devalues silver. Yes, I'm aware that attributes fixed costs mean that silver will always hold some value, that doesn't mean there's no inflation being caused.
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Anyone can make a necro. Also afk farming is the only thing necros are good at.
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>>172593260
Doll is for public use.
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>>172698027
30m on Silute.
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>>172697061
>why do people care about 290?
only retards do

my shitty elem did it with lame gear before nerfs. even worse clerics also did it back then.
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>>172699576
>literally no one
>literally
>literally
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>>172699576
Whenever a faggot uses the word literally figuratively a puppy literally dies.
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>>172609865
144 out of 199 is the tax.
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/tosg/:
>Cap the money people can acquire in 24 hours. No one should be allowed to make more than I can plating fro 1 hour a day
>Put Bokor like health timers on all summons
>Make it so summons don't cause items to drop anymore
>Pyro thaum soloing dungeons should be the only way to farm money


Like why don't they just make bees non aggro and spread them over the farm?
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>>172702232
AFK farming isn't the same as active farming you retard.
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THIS MOTHERFUCK DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW INFLATION WORKS LOL

WHEN AFK NECROS BUY TOKENS FOR 3K LIKE THAT RETARD MERGEN, THE RANDOM NEW DUDE CAN'T BUY ONE BECAUSE OF HOW HIGH THE PRICE IS. NOT THINK ABOUT ALL THE GEAR THAT IS AFFECTED BY THIS PRACTISE. IT'S NOT LIKE ALL NECRO MONEY GOES TO ATTRIBUTES LOL
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>>172702743
Yeah, clicking my mouse to move my character a few steps across the screen isn't the same as standing completely still. I'll make sure to move them every half hour.
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>>172703371
Yes every other class in this game just moves their character every 30 minutes using one click so you better do the same. That's how they make money in those dungeons that are limited to 3 per day. That's how they kill level 330 mobs for silver. That's how you clear ET too.
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Give Necros an afk shop option like with squires, pardoners, and alchs. They can pull in money passively like that.
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>>172703371
>I'll make sure to move them every half hour
>while you sleep or are at work/school/whatever
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>>172703654
>2017
>working
>sleeping in blocks
retard
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>>172701174
But they aren't. The only reason people hate them is that unlike them they can make money afk farming.
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>>172704272
Are all of those replenishing enough?
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>>172704283
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPiBne3kY8
>that ending

wizards truly are the biggest cucks
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>>172705265
>/d/'s inflation thread shows up there somewhere
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>>172695574
>chore noun
>2. chores, the everyday work around a house or farm.
The chores you listed (everything except orange weapon mats, which have no time constraints and aren't everyday work) get in the way of just killing stuff. They force you to do things you don't feel like doing at the time because those things are so much more efficient you'll be gimped if you don't do them.
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>>172705602
>thaum
>boy
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>>172704468
I think biphasic and Monophasic are the only ones that are refreshing enough.
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Does heavy shot level affect knockback distance?
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>0/3 0/3 mission/dungeons
>do two missions, hit 170
>get lv 170/14
>burn one dungeon multiplier
>voucher party
>hit rank 6
>come back after the quest, use two +1 instance so I'm 0/3 0/3 now
>use 2x multiplier to burn 3x runs
>join another voucher party
>lv hit 184
>3x mission
>get to the reset
>easy 200


GOD, I LOVE KIM
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What are some good cards in keep in my pot? Does leveling them make much of a difference? I have just manticen so far.
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>wah wah wizards can't hit 199k limits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuVQSZ7RtU

wish this general would be deleted already - the amount of misinfo shit here is unbearable
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>>172708170
Doppels can't hit 199k though.
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>>172708326
Doppel isn't a wizard though.
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>>172708170
wow, so many 199ks
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>>172708170
I didn't see 199ks
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>>172708484
>>172708501
Addition is hard, huh?
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>>172708658
>>172708170

doppels do like same number of hits on that many mobs but 2-4 times higher numbers
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>>172708658
So if we add doppel's endless stream of 199k lines along with the corresponding kagura lines (+160% against blut) then we conclude that doppels do 19.99mils?
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>>172708658
>Addition
hold shit, retard
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>>172708754
>>172708835

Nah, here's the same player doing Solimiki content as the sole DPS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sc078d1JE4

You do not need Doppel for anything. Notice how this player does this all without Serpentine + Miko + Meistis slaves.

Pyro > Doppel.

>>172708883
>hold shit
???
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>>172708658
>Addition
you cant be that desperate ..
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>>172709068
see >>172709025
pls no reply anymore to addition, thanks

Pyro > Doppel
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>>172709025
>F26

oh cmon. next you gonna showoff a pyro killing lvl 20 mobs?
this is worse than swaaz shitposting
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>>172708170

>this video

is there any reason to play another character? how the fuck someone think that agny is ok when pyromancer was pretty decent already before that shit (and fixes could have been made on the class itself, not a new meme item)
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>>172702232
Could you link to the posts that said those?
>>
>people hitting damage cap

should never be possible in any game ever
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>>172709221
ET30 boss as solo DPS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIe8Ol5Ajhk
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>>172709223
Basically Pyro is OP as fuck on its own but wizfags are way in denial about it and will point to doppel as a scapegoat because a party built to support a doppel has higher total dps.
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Do Cannons/SR normally transcend their main weapon or do they typically transcend their sub weapon and use main weapon just for more slots?
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>>172709530
not bad. not better or > a good doppel
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Your entire ET party crashed at Floor 30 and you're alone?

Don't panic!

DON'T PANIC!!

YOU ARE A PYRO!!

SOLO THAT BOSS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnaP3wKakbw
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>>172709586
Agny being OP is old news and nobody denies that.

>because a party built to support a doppel has higher total dps.
and a party built to support a pyro is a lot weaker
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Why is no one posting videos of Wugushi soloing bosses?
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>>172709891
>solo
>4-5 people

not bad tho
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>>172709983

Not really. If you have linker 2 chrono sage and your pyro is a pyro 3 necro 1 instead of pyrolinker, you can link stuff non stop and link bosses on 4x dirty poles. shit is disgusting
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Why is no one posting videos of Doppel soloing bosses?
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>>172710221
Necros are disgusting.
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>>172710221
What's the best way to max out pyro spell damage, other than wizard / linker?

Don't understand your dirty pole strategy, but would this work?

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#21112229e.13233f43516a7585.1f2f31415a6172.1123354175.1133415585
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>>172709530
Surprising that they are that high up and not even using the melstis+Ausrine strat. I kinda wonder if our server is just collectively stuck in a rut and refusing to innovate, there's probably more winning tactics.
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reminder that there are more than a few link immune mobs and mobs that absorb fire damage like the flammes in the 110 and elet in the 200 dungeon.

whos to say IMC wont fuck over pyros with more annoying mobs like those. I know pyros dont care about link immune mobs but that shit is annoying with non pyro builds
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SHE'S NOT EVEN USING CHAPPARITION + MELSTIS LOL

JUST IMAGINE HOW DISGUSTING
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>>172710760
What's the point though, a game where you need extremely specific class combos to do the only instance that is remotely purposeful is just a meme.
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>>172709586
>wizfags
Actual wizard3 fags want it nerfed. Only people who rerolled pyro want to hang on to their broken numbers.
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SHE'S NOT EVEN USING TRANSCENDED GEAR THERE'S NO THAUMA OR SAGE BUFFS LOL

JUST IMAGINE HOW DISGUSTING
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>>172710760

35f is doable without melstis if you have two chronos or two dievs to rotate ausrine
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFx1feTWTw

are you telling me that she has solmiki spear
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>>172711235
Or one diev druid shitting out immunities left and right
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>>172711508
watch her syncho thrust VS plate video

and people on this subplebbit say that skill is useless
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Are Corsair's worth rolling with the buffs or are they still pretty weak?
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>>172711667
see >>172690843

also
>ctrl+f corsair
>15 results

seriously the class is fucking awful, get over it
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>>172710760
not that suprising desu, the first 40f video I saw had only 1 diev and 2 supp wiz.
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>>172711667
Until R9 comes around they're still pretty weak.
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>>172711598

ST was always know as a "potential" skill. When high stage Emengard shield is involved + murmillo helmet... well'lad
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WHY THE FUCK COMBUSTION IS NOT A FIRE SKILL (TO WORK WITH AGNY).

MY PYRO ALCHEMIST DOES BILLIONS OF DAMAGE ALREADY BUT WHY NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE, MR KIM?
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>>172711170
But she's clearly using trasnceded gear are you stupid. She ahs 5.8k magic atk. You need transcended gear to reach that.
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>>172711667
You become a leader of a band of archers.

Corsair + Fwee3 + Ranger1Fletcher3Mergen + Cryo3chrono3 + Dieve3PD2

The idea is to use ice tree into circling + aiming And just release an arrow rain and any wave even 800k hp mobs gets deleted.
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>>172710713

Basically Dirty pole is a dummy that can be used to link shit on bosses. Sage can clone poles, but let this to the chrono sage, pyrosage should clone his own fireballs. Plus, decay doubles SR's damage and Flesh cannon is savage.
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>>172712836
Yeah I was thinking their role was more supportive for archers, wondering if combining Chrono with necro for the flesh pole archer support would be overly gimmicky.
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>>172712641
>5098 MATK
>stg10
no surprise
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>>172713398
ops
5890 in the other videos
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cookies have no expiration time, right? I'm tired lol
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If they remove trans, necrofarmers and balance stats and give class reset Id play this again casually
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5 OUT OF 12 HOLY SHITTO
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>>172712975
No that's the correct path for that.
You only need Necro 1 for Dirty pole right?

So you build it Cryo3Chrono3Necro1
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