/fhg/ For Honor general

1st for warden is a balanced class and you need to git gud

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What would her Pokemon team be?

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GIVE ME THE PLUMES

GIVE THEM TO ME

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Okay

How would you flesh out the lore of For Honor?

Its there but bare bones as fuck

>>172279896
>it's another incoming 400-post bitchfit about Warden
Apparently he's my new main now, what is so broken about him?

>>172279987
Remove Apollyon since she's retarded.
>"lol I got you guys to kill me after I fucked with you, you're such evil wolves, you live to fight!"
>Knights and Samurai about to make peace
>ViKANGZ run in and ruin it like retards
>Knights and Samurai just start fighting for some reason

>>172280276
Honestly? He has the best combo's in the game. When you go on a roll with him and 100-0 your enemy in one smooth chain, it's fucking awesome.

No other hero can smoothly pack damage together as well as he can. The other combo classes, Nobushi and 'Zerker, are super susceptible to parrying. Warden's bash lets him get around that.

>>172280276
Shoulder is easily spammable and has no real punishment. Some characters are too slow to interrupt him from starting it.
Oh he can also feint the shoulder to bait you into attacking, which he can parry and then start the vortex unchallenged
>Inb4 he has to feint purely as a prediction
There's literally one thing you can do to stop him from shouldering you, why the fuck would he not predict it?

lewds when

>>172280276
The reason the top 5 are so good is because they have mixups that lead to too much or are too easy to pull off, and because in general they have a ridiculous move or gimmick.
>Peacekeeper has basically unpunishable AoE and insane mobility
>Warlord has armored heavies, full block shenanigans, headbutt pressure, and strange timing
>Conqueror is nearly safe on everything he does
>Warden has insane mixup potential, incredible reach, great damage off of guard breaks, and great pressure
>Shugouki has one hit of armor, lifesteal off of a guard break near a wall, some of the most ridiculous soft feint setups, 50/50 sprint/guardbreak mixup, and headbutt to completely fuck your stamina

>>172280536
knights and samurai started fighting because they werent sure if one or the other had betrayed the other side and allied with the vikangz

>>172280718
People just roll away when they see the shoulder coming, I can't seem to get much real use out of it.

>>172280718
Oh, are we getting the Warden shitfits started early? Okay.

If hes predicting you to light his shoulder every time, just don't attack into it. He feints the charge, you go back to neutral. Wow its fucking magic.

>b-but then he can just complete the charge
Then dodge, or light him my man. You can't act like Warden has perfect predictions every single time. If he does, its because you're transparent as fuck and he's reading you like a book.

If you eat a shoulder, it is literally your fault.

>do skimish
>4 valk on their team
>man this is unfun but I just let it be cause I just want to finish order
>game crash right before it end

>>172279987
AvP: For Honor

>>172281387
What this anon said.
Only logical explanation.

>>172280979
People roll because it's the only 100% safe option to escape from the shoulder. It costs half your stamina, but it's better than being trapped in a guessing game bullshit where you can't actually punish Warden by guessing right.
>>172281147
No other character has the kit Warden has, that's why it's overpowered as shit. Certain characters aren't fast enough to stop him with a light, and even if you guess correctly and dodge he can block instantly.

Do you honestly think it's 100% fair that Warden has an insane mix up he can feint, that has literally no downside, when other characters don't have their own safe mix up that they cannot be punished for?

>>172279912
WOLVES

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>>172280849
Never

>>172279987

More emphasis in fantasy and deadliest warrior

>>172281768
Valk has the same mixups & closers, how is warden any better?

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>>172279987
Clearly, there's more of the world to explore than just that with the game shows off. The entire world is not just Ashveld, Valkenheim and the Myre. There has to be more out there.

>>172282027
You can react to Valks and parry them, punishing her for it. It's not a guessing game. Granted she is pretty fast, but I've still managed to block and parry her when she tries getting into her sweep mix up.
Valk can be punished, Warden cannot.

>>172279987
Scrap Apollyon. Either make her non-canon, or make her story so far in the past it is irrelevant.

Get rid of the constant war thing. Instead of each faction being at ends with the other two all the time, have them have tried treaties and alliances and shit in the past that have ended up going south. You could write a whole history about the thousand year war.

Make factions more interesting by adding subfactions. This is done to an extent, what with the Warborn and the different legions, but it's not nearly relevant enough. Have different factions have different viewpoints: some are for peace, others are war-crazed lunatics, and theres that group of Knights that is sorta okay with the Vikings but FUCKING HATES Japs.

Add interfaction dynamics between these subfactions. Possibly have some subfactions have special relationships with specific enemy subfactions, either rivalries or cease fires or what not.

Just a bunch of shit like this. Anecdotal stories where some faction members have a human moment and realize the people their fighting aren't literal boogeymen. So stories that are the opposite. Flesh out the factions into being more than just banners, make them actual groups of people.

Iunno, that's my 5 cents.

>>172281147
>If hes predicting you to light his shoulder every time
You dont have to predict, you can cancel shoulder windup from neutral in the moment you see light attack indicator.

>>172281768
So if they can 100% escape it, why is it broken? Explain like i'm retarded, I basically am.

>>172282556
too much work to have a realistic and developed story, sorry

tune in next game for apollyon 2: the wolfening

>>172282691
t. never actually plays Warden

>>172282751
Rolling away costs half your stamina, and the shoulder costs almost no stamina. So they can do it again, and you can only roll away twice before you're exhausted

>>172282948
Stop letting them start the shoulder, they literally can't do it out of neutral. This isn't a turn based game, you don't have to stand there and politely watch your enemy do their thing.

>>172282858
lul

They really need to slow down PKs lights. I can handle pretty much any other character, but she's too fucking fast for me to accurately block every attack, let alone parry. I only win against them if they're retards trying to land heavies

>>172283023
They can cancel the shoulder to counter your attempt to counter them. Do you honestly think I stand there waiting for it to hit me? I try everything to stop them, but they can literally counter my counter.
It is not balanced, stop pretending it is

>>172283060
Why the ACTUAL fuck does her second light come out faster than the first one.

"hurr because daggers are lighter and shorter"

Fuck off, it's a video game. If you want to use weapon types to justify attack speed, literally everyone would be attacking too fast for the average gamer to react to.

>>172283174
Stop being predictable then, that's exactly the playstyle Warden is designed to counter. There's no time dilation at work here, the Warden has a tiny of a time window to react to shit as you do.
You being bad doesn't make it imbalanced, stop pretending it does.

>>172283351
>Try throwing out lights in literally random directions to stop them
>He cancels and blocks/parries all of them
>LOL YOU'RE JUST PREDICTABLE
When Warden gets nerfed I'll look forward to your tears

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>"lol Conqueror isn't good dude, he only has like two attacks. You have to be good to play him"

>>172283351
But anon, everyone who picks Warden becomes perfect at the game and never makes mistakes and can always react to any move anybody makes no matter how small the window. How can you blame him? Now Warlord? That's a fair and balanced class become he's slow.

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>>172283512
>"Lol Warden isn't overpowered, just roll away lmao, you have to be skilled with him to spam vortex"

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>play Lawbringer
>feel limited
>stop playing
>play warden
>feel bored
>repeat

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>>172283767
>Lol Warden is an instantwin God dude, he can block and parry every attack I make as a built-in feature and he also has the fastest attacks in the game and does the most damage and has the highest health pool and moves the quickest."

>>172283512
At high level of play - yes, you really have to.
You can shitstomp newbies with heavy->bash, but with decent opponent you need to be very patient and good at turtling, because your initiation with 1 guaranteed light attack is easily avoidable unlike shounder or headbutt, and if you fuck up just a couple of blocks you are dead, because you dont have much of aggression to respond with. Conq is strong as fuck, but doesnt nearly OP or broken.

>>172283997
>Still pretending Warden is balanced
This is just sad

>>172283997
Raise to hyperbole is a garbage argumentative tactic and just makes you look uninformed or biased.

>>172279987
Just add like six or seven hero general characters per side and make it Dynasty Warriors.

>>172283997
I have never played a single good Warden. They're all garbage, literally all of them. They'll either turtle hardcore or do random AoE's and top lights. I can just sit there blocking left and parrying high all game and body them, but then they immediately just start with shoulder gimmicks. I'm forced to roll back and give up ground and stamina to them because they can just spam a single move and not get punished. Somebody told me to watch this guy Forza, who is apparently the best Warden player in the world, and it looked exactly how I played Warden for the 10 hours I used him, just a little better and against more retarded people.

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>>172281838
The lewds will be back. They will always be back.

>>172279987

More information on the heroes.

I want them to go 40k into this make heroes be like these godlike beings who when they appear on the battlefield they can change the tide of battle

More legions,warbands, clans

DLC should give us subfactions

Ninja would be well a ninja clan

Centurion is part of some Not Rome "Praetorian Legion"

Highlander is for the Valkenhiems norths

>>172285469

Literally git gud kid

>>172286519
Highlander? I havent played the single player yet and dont keep updated on for honor news.

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>>172286753

>Warden main trying Orochi
>People keep leaving two rounds into duels

I just want to fight people man

>>172281768

Warden is not Op. If you removed warden then the turtle Meta would reign supreme. Because he's one of the, if not -the- only character that can force an offensive play out of the opponent.

Warden's kit is actually healthy for the game and you're just a salty fucking bitch if you don't realize this.

>>172286939

Turtle meta already reigns supreme.

Warden is utterly broken and you need to fucking GET OVER IT.

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*ATTENTION XBROS*
There is now an /fhg/ club on xbox
If you would like to join either look up:
For Honor General Official
OR
add metalkid267 and i will invite you to the club

>>172286860
3 for 3 now. All 3 duels, the guy has left on me.

Twice after I killed them once
Once on round 3, score 2 to 1 in favor of me.

I don't have people quit on me when I play Warden. What is this shit?

>>172286939
>Turtle meta is awful guys
>I know, let's have ONE character who can have insane mix up combos to get past that meta
>Isn't that making him blatantly overpowered compared to the rest of the characters?
>Pls don't call my main overpowered
Warlord can headbutt for a single light stab. That's not the same as Wardens mix up

Wait, people are unironically defending warden?

Good lord... maybe if you shits quit fucking huffing your own cum fumes after prostate masturbating from vortexing people in duels, you'd realize how shitfuckstrong warden is.

>just got bullied to death by shugokis
>open with a knockdown tackle
>into a second tackle
>[unblockables and baseball intensifies]
>get stuck on a corner by a ledge, keep getting wall splated
>they have to actively walk away so i can get unstuck on the wall
>so flustered at this point i can't even for the rest of the match
>type in "hello 1-800-help-now i'm being bullied by fat guys"
>one of the replies "that's not a hotline
>"it's a fatline"

>>172286939
Just stop trying to reason with them anon. They'd rather have make Warden a worse Orochi so that Warlord, Conqueror, and Peacekeeper can have literally no threats in high-level play. Come back to the general after a few of them get made and maybe the shitters will have gotten tired and left by then.

>>172286805
Do people really still believe 'leaks' are a thing?

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>>172287593

ahh, good times

What can warden confirm after he parries a long range character.

>>172287883
Zone. Top light. Heavies if you parried a light.

>>172287607
Why do Warden mains always try to deflect with
>B-BUT THESE OTHER CHARACTERS ARE ALSO BROKEN!
Yes there are multiple broken characters and they all need a nerf, warden included

Is it just me or lately there are less PK around?
for some reason I feel like all I meet are Valk,Warden and then Warlord

>my lb, 2 other lb and a valk against 2 peacekeepers, a zerker and warden on skirmish
>stunlock them into oblivion
Feels good man

>>172282556
I wouldn't scrap the autistic mustache twirling waifu in armor, what I would do is make Apollyon a shell for a malevolent being. Because a fucked up demonic, diabolic, deific entity is just about the only thing I can think of that would be as ridiculous as she was in motive.

>>172288198
I'm definitely running into less of them on xbone, but they're still fucking insufferable
>Light attacks too fast for me to block all of them
>Smart ones don't even risk the dash attack anymore because it's the only thing I can accurately parry
>They all use the feat to make attacks fuel the revenge bar
>By the time I manage to turn things around they pop revenge
>They always shit talk as if playing rb spam the character is impressive
And I say this as a former PK main

>Fucking around on warlord because stupid no vanguard orders and similar
>Not even rep 1
>Some rep 8 LB in dominion starts sperging out at me after he gets dunked in some water early on
>Continues to whine the whole match when I headbutt stun him until his revenge shit runs out multiple times
>Tell him I sure hope he doesn't "spam" his push and everything as much as he whines about me headbutting when it's smart to
>Suddenly excuses come out and it's completely fine when he flips someone forever

lol, hypocrites are hilarious in this game

>Fighting a dude
>After he loses a round he starts turtling hard
>Gets pissy when I start doing it back to him

Like what the fuck do you want me to do man? I'm the bad guy?

>>172286805
>>172287686
The Centurion and Ninja seem legit but this one I feel isn't.

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>it's been more than a month
>revenge gear still somehow not nerfed

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What if shove knocked down AND wallsplated?

>>172289069
I started Warlord because I needed a viking main, and my fucking god he's a god send. I love playing elimination, but almost always get paired with absolute retards who die right away. Warlords throw allows me to carry an entire team.
>Playing elimination
>Beat my guy and execute
>It's now 1v3
>Grab a shield and lead all three of them to a ledge
>Ledge them one by one
They ALWAYS follow me, I mean at some point you think they'd realize "hey, better not follow the guy with a mile long throw to a ledge", but they never do

>>172286805
You are fake news

>>172289506
>it's been more than a month
>Peacekeeper buffed twice
>also getting buffed tomorrow
WHY

>>172289506
theyre working on it anon, Christ. They said they are

>>172289506
Why would they nerf something they intentionally made broken? Did you see those ridiculous credits? What was that, at least thirty playtesters and not one said a peep about what they would instantly find to be really stupid?

For the gear to be nerfed, the concept of revenge in the game would need to be changed itself. If Ubisoft wants For Honor to be a fighting game, Revenge should function more like a supermove not a exploitable persistent state of bullshit.

>>172289651
I just want law's glowy bullshit to be uninterruptible from something so paltry as a light. What's the point of ostentatious glowing moves if you can just poke them out?

>>172290046
Wait they're getting another buff? What is it?
>>172290098
They've already said they're working on it. But I'm convinced play testers today are huge kiss asses who are afraid to say when something is broken/sucks. Instead they happily say everything is good and hope to get hired again

>>172290098
>Revenge is a super
I would be completely fine with this.

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>>172279673
Here's a better version made by an anon here

>>172290097

for a MONTH?
give me a fucking break. it's a five minute fix.

>>172290237
It'd be nice if he also didn't sound like a fucking old fart to the enemy. I WANT them to hear me chanting their doom in Latin

>>172290330
i forgot to save it last time thanks.

>>172290415
Sorry, i didn't realize you were a video game developer, what games have you made?

>>172289651
That would make Lawbringer insane in 4v4. He would become the new cancer.

>>172284264
>Meta is all about Warlord and Conq and massive turtle fests.
>Most fights are rock-paper scissors feint edition 1v1.
>Warden is one of the few classes actually able to open people up.
>"Wow warden is OP"

>>172290330
>better
arguable

>>172290452
>Enemy FemRaider sounds legit retarded

>>172290502
>"Oh I'm sorry, what public office positions have you held? I don't think you get a say in this issue because you obviously haven't had experience in politics."

I wish Law had something as satisfying as crushing counter.

>>172290502

I've been involved in about 5% of the AAA titles published in the last six years.

Tweaking Revenge is exactly as difficult as changing a handful of numbers on a fucking spreadsheet. There is ZERO reason for this to have dragged on.

>>172291026
He does, Blinding Justice is so satisfying to pull off.

>>172290871
did you just insult god emperor trump?

>>172291026
>All heavies have superior block
>Instead of parrying, they crushing counter into AD MORTEMs
>Off of every fucking parry

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>>172290330
>Irondad267
END THIS MEME

>>172290628
at least funnier

I just died in Skirmish because one of feats wouldn't activate for some reason.

>full stamina
>feat ready to go
>locked on the target
>try to activate
>nothing

WHY?

>>172291565
I guess you could say you were
de-feat-ed

>>172291087
I can't find many opportunities to parry lights sadly at least ones i can pull off anyway.

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>weebs set to win again

>>172279987
Better explanation for why peace is bad. Give me an actual reason other than "RAWR WE ARE WOLF!"

>>172291565
I had that issue before. I buddy of mine said I was pressing 3 (which was a passive feat) instead of 4 (which was Catapult). I looked at the keyboard while mashing 4 and he said it was still 3 on his screen.

>Viking stronghold within our sights for the first time ever
YES! FINALLY!
>they push all the way back to the border in one turn
How?

>>172291807
>implying they won't give it to the knights
>implying they won't give it to the weebs to try to prove its not rigged

>>172291996
>he thinks territories matter
also for some reason the person who loses the most last round gets bonuses the next
also less territories to disperse warshitwhatever along

>>172291996
We could concentrate most of forces into one area, instead of spread thin. All Vikings were putting war assets in that general area by default or choosing. I think it may be theoretically impossible for a strong hold to fall, unless both opposing sides put ALL assets against the other one

>>172292094

It is pretty rigged, but I suspect that they didn't rig it hard enough to account for the mass-exodus of the player base. The only people still playing in volume are the diehard weebs. Low-level duels are like 90% roach by volume. That should tell you everything you need to know.

I'm confidant that they will have content this week.

It would be pretty funny if they didn;t after the past two weeks of terrible streaming.

>>172292103
Isn't a 5 Round system kinda a shitty idea for a game with 3 competitors? Because it feels almost inevitable that the split at the end of the season will be 2/2/1. How do they decide a winner?

>>172292654
We've no clue how their end-of-season scoring will work.

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With the change look function on gear, if I use this to turn gear piece 1 into the look of gear piece 2, it consumes gear piece 2, correct?

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>Play fighting games with my loud black trash talking cousins all my life
>Always stay positive in chat playing Dota 2 even when the game is a wash
>Ask people who beat me in fightan to rematch and spam cheese till I can see through it.
>Always be sportsman like, never RQ...

I have RQ while absolutely livid in FH once a week in every mode since the game has released. I have not felt such malice since grinding ranked in Rising Thunder

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Post Em

How would you fix this game /fhg/?

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>>172293248

You are why I keep playing

>>172293307
>tfw berserker always looks the same

>>172293369

Fire Ubi, hire Riot

>>172293369
can't be done. any fixes would have had to happen two weeks ago to salvage the playerbase. the few that remain are only still playing because they have fooled themselves in one way or another. either because they want to get x hours out of the game they bought or because they think the game is redeemable or because they think ubisoft will pull a siege with this turd.

it is 100% delusion. even if you want to assume ubisoft is capable and willing to fix this despite all evidence to the contrary, you also have to assume that the players still waiting for these fixes will still be there the instant the next half-interesting game comes out.

it's over.

>>172293369
Remove Warlord, Peacekeeper, and Conqueror until they're balanced.
Buff and nerf everybody slightly.
Make heavy attacks better on block, make lights worse on block.
Heavy charging is now a universal mechanic and not exclusive to Shugouki.
Every character has some sort of "super" move that's unblockable.
Assassins get more off of deflects but less off of parries.
Assassin's light attacks are more of a harassing tool than the summary of their offense.
Low level/gearless playlists that you can't use Rep 3+ characters in so people can level up characters more.
Ranked playlists so the tryhards can fuck off into their own little corner.
More community outreach and feedback, one shitty two hour stream a week doesn't cut it.

>>172293218
Nah, it just changes the appearance of piece 1. Piece two isn't destroyed

>>172294029
Also forgot, buff guardbreaks to function as something to break open turtles instead of an option off of parries to get more damage.

>>172293849

I actually just like the core mechanics enough to tough it out, but I don't care enough to ever git gud so my matchmaking is endurably non-awful.

>>172294156
You would have to make parries stronger, and that would only encourage the defensive meta further.

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>>172293307

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>>172279673
>>172290237
>>172291026

I made a think for all the bros of THE LAW who are feeling down.

t. Warden main

>>172294729
Does the 'S' on your side stand for 'Scrub?'

>>172294196
fuck yeah and so do i. not enough to tough it out, though, but only because i take a more serious approach to it. but more power to you, and i mean that completely sincerely.

the problem is that out of the people still playing, i'd be willing to bet more of them are like me than you. that is to say they've hit a point where all the problems just become too strong and too numerous to have any hope that this game will be fixed in any reasonable amount of time. and the more that i think of it, the more i realize it probably can't be fixed short of a remake

>>172295002

I take other games more seriously.
I've just seen enough in the past, especially of Ubi, to not take this title very seriously at all.

>tfw you have every piece maxed out except for arms because it keeps giving you shit with block damage resistance maxed out or as the secondary stat instead of maxed stamina with revive second

Just let me be 108 already game, stop making this harder than it needs to be.

>>172293369
>give everyone same zone attack speed, either make them all slow or fast I dont care
>all those orange unblockable charge attack consume more stamina than it is nwo
>Warden's charge now cant be cancel
>warlord headbut are now little bit slower
>either fix zone indicator glitch or make zone only usable when unlock
>nerf Valk back to how she was
>all assassins get small chip damage from blocking light attack to promote deflecting
>making parry window smaller, make it as hard as deflecting

Hows this?

>>172295470
>Nerf Valk back to how she was

Absolutely not. They're too strong now but they were literally sub-LB before, potentially the worst character in the game overall. Like AT LEAST LB can be a faggot in group fights, she just farted around and did nothing.

also I feel like they should make teching GB harder
about how it was when the game launch is good

>>172294397
No you wouldn't, just make it so that something is guarenteed off of parry instead of guardbreak.

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>Lawbringer is wearing some kind of overweight jousting armor with throat protection to deflect lances
>Instead of a proper jousting helm like a frog-mouthed tilting helm, he wears a Burgundian sallet/burgonet

These would be fun to engrave.

>>172295470
the creepy thing here is that dollars to donuts the devs did not anticipate zone attacks being as important as they are now for some characters. being half the arsenal for some, free damage for others, useless still for others

they wanted all of them to be like conquerors zone attack in application, but they have too many people working on the game and are too disconnected from how it is played

realistically all zone attacks should cost an entire bar of stamina, refunding it only if you kill an AI bot. that's what they wanted. but it's a huge mess. and we're talking about a move every character has. that's how fucked this shit is.

>>172295984
>Realistically all zone attacks should cost an entire bar of stamina, refunding it only if you kill an AI bot
>Raider loses one of the most critical moves he has and falls EVEN FURTHER down

>>172295470
>warden's charge now can't be cancelled

doesn't that just make it a worse version of conq's?
also, i think valk's fine the way she is

>>172295984

Found the Revenge-abusing PK main

Spoilers: You don't actually know anything about the game

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>playing elim
>orchi refuses to do anything but wait for me to attack
>wow!
>goodfight!

>>172296245
What? Not them but a PK would be the most incentivized person in the world to downplay changes being needed to zones since their shit is the most abusable retardation in the game when in revenge.

>>172296245
you are misinterpreting what i'm saying

ask a dev on the stream tomorrow if they anticipated the current state of zone attacks

if he answers yes i will film myself drinking a cup of diarrhea from a homeless man

if he says essentially what i said in my post, you will eat a shotgun

deal?

>>172296465

The basic problem with your proposition is that we both already want what you are suggesting. Switch it around and we're good to go.

How come the light smack from Light riposte isn't all glowy and shit?

They really should just make it do as little damage as a standard heavy.

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My tongue is Ready

>>172296378
>Elim
>Roach abandons the fight right when he's going to lose
>Spends the rest of the match just grabbing buffs, sometimes not even trying to fight
>Spam good fight at them for the rest of the match
I completely understand running away for buffs, but at least fucking fight. I've had so many Roaches just run out the clock running away

>>172296235
ok make all charge attacks cancelable then
they all have to either all do or dont

and they only able to cancel early on and not right after they already charging. you know not after someone already dodging it so they get a free grab

>fighting nobushi
>parry her zone
>go for a side light
>she's out of range for that too

WHY

>>172298302
>Parry a Nobushi
>She's out of range for fucking everything
It's bullshit

>>172298302

Because she's really bad mechanically.
Like, Nobushi even has to worry about pressure game from Heavies. She is NOT good at her zoning gameplan.

>>172298302
Not against AD MORTEM ;^)

>>172298473
nah you can land heavies on her if you parry a light, but i'd assume a longsword would be capable of hitting her when she moves herself closer to you at least

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>Pick Warden because he's got the closest thing to a claymore and claymore was my husbando in DaS1
>By rank 3 every match is a salt mine of baddies being too stupid to deal with the shoulder bash
>mfw I come to check /fhg/ and all the shitters are screaming about it here too

I'm fucking cumming. It's not even OP but it makes people so salty because it looks and feels like an MvC infinite.

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>fighting Nobu as Law, making a lot of mistakes parrying her attacks, lose two rounds to her as a result, every time she wins she spams "Good Fight!"
>start getting the hang of her lights again, parrying mid combo, etc, bring her to 2-2, every time a closely won battle, but no good fight from her
>final round, smoothly parry 3 lights and 3 ad mortems, as i execute I give my first and only "good fight" of the match, she leaves before the loss happens.

I wonder what she might've been saying had I had my text chat on.

>keep beating people
>they keep leaving at the end

YOUR STATS DONT MATTER AND I WANT YOUR EVERY LOSS TO HAVE COUNTED

>>172298782
>Warden main refuses to accept the shoulder is op
Opinion discarded

>>172299160
I just want quitting to be punished because faggots will literally quit round 1 in elimination if they get killed because MUH PRECIOUS K/D, and then for the rest of the game we have a bot that will easily be killed.

>>172299160

They know, and they care enough to leave.
That should be salt enough to sustain any ego.

It is godamn delicious.

>>172299332
>>172299501

LMAO i ran into him a second time and he left again, praying for a 3rd time so i can continue lecturing him but no luck so far

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>>172299332

I've had people quite just because they got hit.
by SHUGOKI.

Good times.

>Make Wardens shoulder charge use 60% of his stamina
Is he fixed?
He still has his 50/50 for cracking turtles, he just can't chain it together anymore to 100-0 people anymore.

I'm a Rep 7 Warden, I would be okay with this chance since Warden is still fun even without relying on the vortex.

>>172298302
>mid tier defense oriented character with range can't be punished at max distance by select characters
WOW

>>172299725
being unpunishable for your mistakes is stupid though, and it's not even a consistent mechanic because only 5? characters have it, it's deceptive

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Anyone here get that glitch where the quick chat menu disappears, but you can still input the first set of commands? The only fix I have found is a reset.

>>172299640

His vortex is fixed.
Assuming simultaneous patches for Warlord, PK, and Valk Warden is still probably the most OP character in the game, just because the threat of vortex is so strong and he has so many other tools.

It would be a decent starting point. But the fact is, we're weeks past the "decent starting point" stage with no nerfs. He needs to be nerfed to sub-law tier for at least six months or the game will just die.

>>172299608
Shugoki bear hug is a fucking salt mine
>Get matched against a PK in elimination as Shugoki
>Literally too slow to stop her light spam
>Back off when I'm two hits from dead
>Turn and charge away acting as if I'm going to run away
>They chase me
>I turn back and bear hug and they run right fucking into it
>Instant kill them with the hug
>They quit
Every time

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>>172299884

Gets me Rock hard, every time.

>>172282194
We know there is. The Vikings had left Valkenheim for 300 years before coming back, probably after being driven out of not-Vinland by not-Aztecs.
And the Dawn Empire had to relocate their capital further west due to some trouble with another faction to their east.
And the whole Centurion precursor to the Knights that still exists.

>>172299860
What other tools does Warden have besides Crushing Counterstrike? While I admit it's a great tool it can also be used against him by good players. The only useful attacks he has are his top light and zone which is unsafe on block

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>>172299256

>>172299845
Happens to me all the time. I use an XBone controller.

>>172299860
>He needs to be nerfed to sub-law tier for at least six months
This is not a Blizzard game.

What time is the stream again?

Shirley it can't be as bad as the past two times right?

>>172300339
1pm EDT

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>>172299860
>There is an escape for literally every option
>I'm too dumb to read my opponent, and too full of myself to take the safe option and roll out
>Please remove this tool he has so many others haha, right guys? So many lol. He can't even hold 'em all. More versatile than lolbringer XD.
>P-please don't ask me to explain what tools I mean. P-please....
>z-zone.............

>>172300763
thanks

>>172299842
That's not a mistake, that's just a reaction on the other person. She still takes a ton of stamina damage and gets recoiled.

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>>172293307

Are there separate rewards for soloing the campaign on realistic, as opposed to doing it with someone?

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Posting law in a dead thread

>>172301121
she gets recoiled but it doesnt actually matter, and with nobushi's need to not overextend and actually space out that's completely pointless, unless it actually drains her stam completely

>>172300969
>Roll away
Costs half your stamina, and he'll just vortex again
>Dodge the shoulder
Can't punish him for it because he can block instantly after wards even though he should be in recovery
>Tech the GB
That brings us back to neutral. Please explain why Wardens shoulder should be risk free

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>"It's been 3 days, as long as I say "Believe it!" whenever one walks past they don't figure anything out. My revenge build is set so my style of combat matches theirs too.

>parry atatck
>admortem
>raider comes out of nowhere and takes him away from me

I should be laughing shouldn't I?

>Can't punish him for it because he can block instantly after wards even though he should be in recovery
Are you okay?

>He'll just vortex again
don't let him?

>risk free
Please explain why standing still and glowing orange after doing an obvious tell like a raw dodge or a light isn't entirely punishable if you have any idea what the fuck you're doing.

If all they do is vortex, expect the vortex and fuck 'em up as they go into it. If you get caught the first time, roll away or risk a guess. It's really not hard.

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Dullahan or Haedus?

I like greathelms.
I hate flat-topped ones so the middle row is out.
Haedus has a nicer face, but the lobster tail feels weird and ahistorical.

>>172302408
>expect it
if im actually using my vortex then i expect people to expect me to use it, and if they react as such i'll start relying on charge feints instead to bait them into getting parried
it really isn't this simple and you know it

>>172302445
i use fendrel myself, it's such a cool design
out of the two you listed? dullahan

>>172282556
>aren't literal boogeymen
>implying peacekeeper and warlord don't haunt everyone's dreams

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> the default gender of warden is female
Hey retards why are you calling her a he?

Centurion when?

Also somebody told me that nobushi got nerfed, is this true?

>>172302445
anymore of these for all heroes?

>>172302751
http://alfalis.de/For_Fashion/#

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>>172302751
Here's Nobushi.

>>172301764
Nothing she has is that good at all. Her zone is predictable as shit and only the second hit bleeds, her pokes get her fucked if they're parried, her dodge slashes are so insanely punishable it hurts, and her chain is near impossible to pull off to the third guarenteed hit.

>>172302590
Fendrel bugs me because it doesn't look like a real helmet. Why does the visor have the vertical slit going down from the middle of the eye slit?

>>172302894
>>172302815
Hey thanks guys

>>172302408
>Dude all Wardens are brain dead and would NEVER EVER think of canceling it to counter your counter
This is why Warden mains should never be taken seriously. You act as if it's so simple when it's really not.

And I saw it's risk free because let's say he parries me and then goes into the vortex. Even if I guess right I cannot punish him off it, because he can block attacks and counter GBs immediately after missing the shoulder bash.

His shoulder is a great mix up that can literally be canceled to parried the counter to it, and you cannot be punished if they guess correctly. So in reality this guessing game only has one winner, the warden. You guess correctly nothing happens, he guesses correctly you take damage

>>172303085
The Warden has less time to react to what you're doing to counter him than you did to attempt said counter. This means it's a guessing game for the Warden by this point, unless you keep doing one thing over and over.

Besides, you're looking at this from the wrong angle. The game is already suffering stagnation due to an overly defensive meta because most aggression is punished. Instead of removing the few good options for offense, why not give good options to everyone else who currently lacks them?

>>172288198
GOOD
im so sick of these shitters being able to spin their stick and mash light to win
i dont HAVE superhuman reflexes and SHE has no punish time

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>this is what PK mains believe when they flicker

>>172303220
>why not give good options to everyone else who currently lacks them?
Because we're talking realistically here. The odds of every single character getting a massive overhaul to give them a great mix up like Warden has is not going to happen soon if it ever does happen. In the meantime Warden should not be the only character with an insane mix up that he doesn't even have to commit to.

>>172303053
The visor looks like it's in the style of a barbute which had a t-shape hole in the face for breathing and sight but it didn't come with an attached visor.

>>172303053
>what are corinthian helmets

>>172303430
>>172303469
Very different.

Both the barbute and the corinthian helmet are a variety of nasal helmet, which Fendrel very obviously is not.

Likewise, the Fendrel visor being raiseable (it has a hook on the bottom right of the visor for securing it in place just like Loran does, not visible in that image) makes that kind of T-slit unnecessary, especially since it already has breaths to the side of the vertical slit.

>>172300339
It can, and don't call me Shirley.

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>>172303634
Pic related is from the wikipedia page on barbutes, I will admit that the most similar to that visor seem to be much more open and an image search pulled up a lot of barbutes that have the nasal protection like you mentioned.

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>>172304336
He's only half-right, barbuta helmets are defined by protecting the sides of the head, not by the shape of the visor.

That being said, none of them ever had a separate visor piece, nasal or no nasal. Any examples you find are ahistorical and either modern inventions (Dark Knight armory basically has the Warden's default helmet and it's a design they came up with and freely admit is ahistorical) or based on old erroneously assembled museum pieces like pic related.

>>172302445
Are Dain and Lederic based on any real helmets?

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BALANCE PATCH FUCKING WHEN

>>172302894
Her default really is her best one.

>>172305809
>not the middle or bottomleft

>>172299884
I only get salty against shugos when their hug gets the BS tracking after I dodge it

>>172306349
Yeah, I've definitely gotten some hugs that were dodged but I magically do a 90 degree turn and get them

>inna brawl as a Conq with a random, other team is two people in a party 9they have same emblem)
>they take first round, no shenanigans
>second round the enemy orochi finshes my teammate first, comes to gank me in my fight against warlord
>feeds me my revenge, flail his ass and then endlessly shield bash the warlord to keep knocking him down until revenge runs out
>next round I die first, they double-team my random shugoki teammate, who rage quits

>game ends up going to round 5
>draw the warden out onto the bridge, making it look as if I'm running to gank the orochi
>he follows me, fucks up his GB, I GB him and throw him off the ledge
>spam shield bash on the orochi so the shugoki bot can kill him with no issues
>orochi rage quits before the execution animation is even done

If you're going to gank that's cool, but holy fuck you had better be able to take it if you're going to try and dish it.

>Warlords best feats are all passives
>That's not even being said in some "Aww it's all they got" sense because they're actually all very good
>They can forsake feat cooldown on gear 100% for absolutely zero downside
>B a l a n c e d

>>172306256
>sleepy face
>edgelord spiked helmet
nah

>>172306628
>Deadly Attack feat for more damage
>Damage reduction feat
>Bigger health pool feat
>Self revive feat
I roll with this, makes me a fucking unbelievable tank. Also with self revive you can literally ledge yourself to escape getting ganked

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>MLG console tournaments are now banning Peacekeeper
I mean, yeah, she's really strong, but don't you think that's a bit excessive?

>>172306709
masks are barely noticeable in play, so neutral good and chaotic good, chaotic neutral and true neutral, neutral evil, and chaotic evil those are my picks

>>172307174
you think this is a fucking game?

>>172307174
I'm going to make a game. In it, everyone is allowed only a knife, and the objective is to kill the other person. You each start thirty feet away from each other.

Now I'm going to introduce a character with a derringer. If my game had a competitive scene, this derringer character would certainly be banned.

Peacekepper is that derringer.

She needs less damage. She needs to be slower on consoles. She needs to cover less ground. She needs a reduction to bleed damage. Or dodge moves need to require stamina.

I don't know which. She needs something nerfed. She's fucking broken and it shouldn't be downplayed.

There is no other character in the game that can spam lights and come away with a win. She is the hero with the lowest skill floor, and yet that still earns her a spot in the top 3 fighters.

Why should a fighter that requires nothing more than constantly tapping the L1 button while changing guard to be successful NOT be banned from comp?

>>172307174
If the game can't implement proper character balance in times, tournaments need to enforce rules themselves.

If the balance is so bad that only one character is viable at tournament level, they need to get rid of that altogether.

>>172307174
She's the only character you can realiably win as with nothing but light attacks, zone, and GB. You don't have to throw a single fucking heavy to win

S+: PK
S: Warden, Warlord
A+: Conq
A: Shugoki
B: Valk, Nobushi, Orochi
C: Berserker, Kensei
D: LB, Raider

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There's no way to play this game with other people. There's no one my skill level. just rep 10s all around while i only have a rep one lawbringer.

I'm just gonna go play against bots.

Its the only way i'll be even remotely good.

>>172307864
>B: Valk, Nobushi, Orochi
fuck man i've been gone too long
wtf happened? it used to be all orochi, pk and nobushi

>>172307174
Not enough frames to counter her on console. Her lights and zone are faster than the fastest recorded human reaction.
Her side, side, zone glitch also gives her a free light regardless of whether you block, parry, or dodge the first attack. so.............

>>172308064
Oro is popular because *unsheaths katana* and Nobushi has unique footsie game/safer pokes than others. They lack the hard-to-counter mixups, damage output or defensive capabilities of the higher tier classes though.

>>172308064
People got better and realized that orochi isn't a very good character.

Same thing with nobushi, although she's slightly better than orochi.

I disagree about valk, though. I say she should be at least A, maybe A+.

>>172307174
GOOD
i cant react to her on fucking pc, i cant imagine how strong she is at half the fps

>>172308064
while orochi has amazing damage output, that's all he really has going for him
outside of that, he's a shitter magnet because everybody wants to be a cool samurai

nobushi has the same issue; amazing damage output but getting it off is difficult, meaning that they both can't really keep up with a defensive meta

>>172308008
why not fight players and improve in doing so? fighting bots is a dead end

>>172307864
I'd say this is pretty accurate.

>>172309087

what's the point? everyone has maxed out gear stats so its impossible to actually stand up to them. Might as well grind out the stuff on Bots so i can at least stand a chance so i CAN improve.

>>172309297
duel and brawl don't have gear stats, and playing it a few hours ago i kept running into people trying to practice new characters, why not use them? 4v4s wont teach you mechanics anyway

>>172306543
Orochis are always faggots. I had one in a recent game who said they're the hardest class to play and complained about ganking in Dominion.

>>172309395
Not him, but duels and brawls don't give nearly as much exp as 4v4, and you can't play 4v4 without getting fucking stomped by people with good gear if you're new.
This game is seriously unwelcoming to new comers

>>172309887
i understand this but he also complained about being unable to play with people his own skill level

>>172309297
It's not impossible.

I run around 4v4s with my rep 13 lawbringer, with no gear on. I would put gear on if it was only cosmetic, but it's not, so I don't, so I don't have an advantage over new players/new characters. I still manage to do well 9/10 of my games.

Dealing with high gear score is definitely annoying as hell, and going up against a revenge-slut peacekeeper is pretty much impossible as lawbringer, but it's not impossible to do well overall.

>>172307174
>reacts to literally anything with zone
>wins
heh............. just parry it

>>172291305
>funnier

Debatable

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>>172293307

>>172309941
To be fair I almost never run into new people in brawls and duels, most people play their mains

>>172310815
it's actually been the complete opposite for me today, i played for 3 hours and onlya few of them were on their mains

>>172310815

i just played someone brand spanking new, didn't even play the tutorial yet.

>>172280890
PK need one of two changes to her AOE
>unable to cancel mid attack
>reduce startup speed of first attack

if you do either, it becomes ok. I'm leaning towards the second one, as it keeps the function of the zone, but doesn't make it so bullshit.

>>172302815
>best looking kensei stuff is low level
phew, good thing i didnt sell it, id be well shafted

So 4v4 dedicated servers fucking when??? I just want to play the game goddamnit. Screw the balance issues fix the fucking connection problems first.

>>172311368
>played against a team that was 3 108 conqs when all i wanted was to do an order

Nah I'll take lag over that shit

>>172311368
why not play a big boy game mode where you dont have all the crutches

>>172311471
> wants to do order
> lol fuck you connection error, it seems like you're going back to the menu, retard
I hate it. It happens every fucking time.
>>172311491
Doing an order. Also 4v4 is fun.

>>172311727
Maybe you should get better internet

>>172311727
fun is fine, but orders are just pointless waste of time

>>172302894

I fucking hate everything about Nobushi's look. And her fighting style. Literally the only character I will never get to rep1.

> playing elimination atm
> Pk main (no bully)
> warden just parried my first lights 3 times in row
HOW???

>>172311967
he's either a god or predicted your attack somehow

>>172311846
>hating the most graceful character

shit taste

>>172311967

You aren't doing your epic wiggling around. You know, being an annoying prick and moving your guard directions in a circle at all times.
Your first light is your slowest. Experienced players will focus on parrying that and nothing else.

>>172311967
The first lights aren't too bad.

I'm a consolefag lawman and I can normally parry her first lights. It's different if she whiffs it and goes for the second one though.

>>172312065
I want to marry nobushi
t.warden

>>172311814
>implying its about your own internet connection

this nigger serious?

>>172312072
> epic wiggling around
That's a thing? Also he's on rep 2 but I'm guessing warden isn't his main.
>>172312130
> The first lights aren't too bad.
You're part of the minority on this general then.

>>172312541
PK's first light attack is no worse than Valk. It's her second lights and zone where all the broken shit is.

Do we all agree that the Warlord is broken?

>>172312541
her 1st light is no problem on it's own
but it becomes a problem once you combine it with everything else she has
she has more soft feints than you can think off
her zone punishes any parry attempt or feint or any dash attack or any unblockable/unparryable move
she can zone parry any attack that is thrown by you and even if she misses a parry you still get punished

>>172312693
Yes, everyone knows Warlord is the best class in the game.

>>172312693
>>172312815
after the fullblock nerf he can no longer beat pks
there is literally no counter to pks anymore

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>>172312693
I wouldn't say broken, but their kit is top tier. They have hyper armor for offense, superior/full block, a fast safe poke (headbutt), and powerful zoning options from throws. Most other classes revolve around ONE of these gimmicks, but somehow they have all of them. Oh, and their zone attack is among the better ones too.

>>172312881

I still beat them easily because they still jump into my heavies and fall for false headbutts (guardbreaks)

>Dominion on The Shard.
>Rush to point A as Warlord.
>Every time someone attacks, throw them into the spikes/off the edge.
>They get so tilted they keep coming back, messing up their moves each time and feeding me free GBs.
>Easily get upwards of a dozen eliminations in the round while just chilling and boosting the point.

I know it's cancer, but it's so much fun.

>>172313014
>Get my first purple gear with Warlord
>Negative stamina cost reduction, negative exhaustion recovery
>Still wearing it because they are my only purples
This almost feels balanced.

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>>172312623
>>172312813
Really? Then what's with the bitching the last threads about her first lights? I don't understand anymore.

>>172313614
its almost as if vg bitches about anything

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>>172312693
It goes like this:

>S-tier
Warlord
Orochi
Nobushi

>A-tier
Valkyrie
Warden
Peacekeeper

>B-tier
Berserker
Conqueror
Lawbringer

>C-tier
Raider
Shugoki
Kensei

>>172311814
> what is p2p

>>172313614
Her first lights are still pretty fast, if I'm having a bad day, where my reflexes are sluggish, then I can't parry them worth shit.

On an average day, I can parry them 9/10 times though. On a good day, that shit's not touching me. However, my reaction speed is quicker than most, so I can see why people would complain, as again, they're still really fast.

>>172313693
p2p doesn't boot you unless the host manually quits

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>>172313672
How the fuck does anyone come up with a tier list like that?

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>>172313672

>>172313801
What's wrong with it?

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>>172313672
>orochi, nobushi S tier

I've seen worse baits, but better too

I've been playing fucking dominion for half an hour just to get ONE capture point for a contract.

DC's every fucking time. I'm about ready to drop this

>>172313728
Well it indeed is. I can block and parry it too but the bitching made me think that it's what made her broken and somehow made me feel like a special snowflake, being one of the few who could do it.

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>>172313672
this list is wrong on all accounts

>>172314574
Well, you are one of he few who can do it, most people can't.

Just go into any 4v4 mode, and just spam light attacks, it'll work on nearly all players you come across, meaning that most people can't counter it.

If you wanna be a little fair, then just do your first light attack in a random direction, then just back off, and repeat. Guaranteed most people won't be able to block it, much less parry it.

>>172315118
Make a better one then.

>>172313672
wrong

broken:
pk
warlord
conq(just barely)

solid:
warden
valk
shugoki

bad:
orochi
nobushi
raider
berserker

trash:
kensei
lawbringer

>>172313672
what on earth are you doing

there's at least one unbelonging character per tier

>>172315242
>top
PK
conq
warlord

>good
warden
valk
shugi

>passable as a character
nobushi
orochi

>trash tier
the rest

>>172315130
So this "problem" ends up going back to git gud as the solution. Also, I never tried spamming lights. I really don't like such a monotonous strategy. Probably will do in the future for experimentation.

>>172315347
>>172315257
How is conq broken?
>predictable
>slow as fuck
>no feints
>dramatically out of stamina if you try to be agressive

>>172315631
then why do you play PK?

>>172315684
shiiters need not apply

What if light attacks were unparryable and did more chip damage for certain classes to help them open people up

>>172315759
There would be no point in heavy attacks

>>172315684
shield bash starts up extremely quickly off of a side dash or forward dash, not possible to stuff on reaction

shield bash confirms into a light, heavy if wallstun

shield bash recovers extremely quickly, can sometimes block valk sidedash lights in time(the fastest sidedash attack in the game)

that's basically it

Anyone else having real trouble countering guard-breaks?
I thought I had pretty good reflexes, but that timing is just too damn tight.

>>172315684
>superior block on all attacks
>can guard break you for free if he blocks a heavy
>the only offensive move he really uses can't be punished anyway

yeah i guess an immovable wall isn't too unbalanced

>>172315685
> implying there's no other way to use PK other than spamming lights
I'll bite. It's mostly because she was the character I had randomly chosen during the open beta and sort of stuck with it. Didn't know she was broken that time.

>>172315904
you can mash it out, you should be countering every single neutral GB unless you're inputting a guard change or parry or something

>>172315904
You'll get use to it eventually. Just prepare to thumb or index finger if it seems like your enemy is trying to GB you.

>end of round in 5 hours
>knights only gaining 1 area

fucking hell, dead game

>>172316036
>>172315904
> to thumb or index finger
your thumb or index finger on the GB button*

>>172315904
>he thinks this timing is too tight

you didn't even use the version on release. THAT was tight.

>>172313672
You could have randomly assigned them and come up with a more accurate list

are servers kill?

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>>172316538
yeah it seems like so. AND I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF FINISHING DOMING FFS.

>dead servers
>dead game

>>172316653
dominion*
what the fuck

>>172316538
Got the same error. This might be the final nail in the game's coffin for me. Paid 32 quid for it and got seventy hours of gameplay, which isn't bad.

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i-is there by chance they are putting dedicated servers on the game?

>>172316868
most fighting games don't ever get them, so i doubt it

>>172316868
>ubisoft doing anything that makes sense

I thought this was settled already

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>>172317086
Let me be delusional anons.

>>172316868
>>172317086
p2p wouldn't improve the game

adding a leaver penalty so that people don't chain quit every match would be nice

>>172306256
shit taste desu

>>172317157
its literally NEVER EVER happening

>>172317157
dreams are best resolved, anon

>>172317209
You realize that like a half of those quits are probably random disconnects etc.? Adding a penalty to a game this unstable would be a final nail to this game's coffin.

>>172317336
literally haven't been dced from a brawl/duel match in 2 weeks now and 3-4 times in 4v4 modes
it's on their end

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>>172317259
>>172317261
fuck you ;_;

>>172317501
>>172317671
I saw that

>>172317516
Aren't we talking 4v4 here? Brawl/duel was never a problem.

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>>172313728
Have you got any tips for parrying her first light? What's the timing like, do you need to hit heavy as soon as you see her attacking in your guarded direction or do you need to wait a few frames first?