Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

>>172271880
>>172271880

NEW

Where the FUCK is Maiev????

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Xth for I hope the next hero teased is cute.

or Kel'thuzad.

Mannaroth, Archimond, Tichondrius, Imperius, The Overmind, and Baal are literally the only heroes that are NEEDED in this game.

This list is perfect and anybody whining for Maiev or Garrosh is a weeb faggot.

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

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>>172272470

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E M B R A C E

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>>172272470
>post yfw the next hero is Sargeras

I'm going to marry Auriel.
Also, mercy skin when??

>>172271531
Gazlowe can't do anything useful for his team aside from get slowing turrets. My point was more that the HotS team said they don't want builders overlapping, which is why Probius is such a shit builder and why Gazlowe can't have anything close to a competitive build. It really makes no sense since they should be entirely different kinds of builder while still being builders, and Torb would also be a different kind of builder, but they're afraid of having too many similar characters while their roster is still so small apparently.

>>172271653
They would make his basic attack the long range shot he has, basically Morale's AA. His W would buff it into the shotgun blast for higher damage but requires him to be in melee range. His Q would be building his turret, replaces existing turret. His E would be armor pack. His D would be that instead of mana he collects scrap from dead minions (2 each), dead heroes (5 each) and destroyed buildings (10 each), which would be used to upgrade turret, or repair Towers/Forts.

Though we'll get other overwatch heroes before that, no doubt.

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>>172272642
Corki when

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>>172273031
>but they're afraid of having too many similar characters while their roster is still so small apparently.

But it's apparently okay to rework one character so he's just like another, but better.

Can Uther be fixed just by changing numbers?
I honestly think his kit is pretty great and it has a bunch of useful and neat things, problem is that his cooldowns are too long, his mana pool too small and his attack too low, all of which are things that can be fixed without giving him a full rework.

>There will never be any guest characters

>>172273312
rip Stitches

OFFICIAL LITERALLY WHO LIST
Daily reminder that Blizzard deems these irrelevant nobodies more important than your favourite heroes that aren't in the game yet and maybe never will.

>Probius
>Lunara
>Morales
>Murky
>Brightwing
>Li Li
>ETC
>Gazlowe
>Falstad
>Hammer
>Sonya
>Stitches

>>172272642
Isn't that actually pretty likely?
I haven't paid attention to WoW in ages but apparently he is a big part of the latest expansion, so there's that.

>>172273672
I'm okay with all the heroes in this list being erased.

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>>172273415
Peach when?
Bayonetta when?
2B when?
Big Boss when?

>>172273672
Falstad is an actual character though.

>>172273838
>No Captain Diomedes
>No Talos from Rising Thunder
>No characters from Dawngate

>>172273754
He sort of is, but he has no physical appearance. He's only been a fel flame speaking to Kil'jaeden. Meaning they aren't ready to actually use him yet, or else they'd go through the trouble of giving him at least a portion of a model to use and show us. So we won't be getting him in HotS until the day they decide to show him.

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>>172273819
>he wants Brightwing gone from the game

It's OUCHIE TIME for you Anon.

>>172273884
Yeah he has like 1 quest and that's it?

>>172273986
Fuck OFF

>>172273884
Shh. Let him think he knows something.

>>172273672
Remember "Blizzard" feels like the already took "important" characters

>>172273884
If it weren't for red shirt guy giving him meme status, he would just be another OC hero based on gryphon riders

Why are my sickest samuro teleport plays completely by accident

>>172273312
There's no doubt it's a bullshit answer, but that's the one they put forward.

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>>172273884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqaNeoLyck
>Blizzard developers
>Blizzard """""lore"""""

>>172274369
To master the way of illusion, you must first let go of all thought.

>>172273351

Remove generic talents except cleanse and make him have actual builds

Relying on piano build is what makes him bad, so long as he has access to shit like Project Shield and Shrink Ray and Shit he will remain in the limbo of "but he has all these buttons and is good 0.0001% of games so we won't change him".

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That feel when winning at life.

>>172274817

>Kael'thas' that mindlessly pick Convection

they are not worthy of wielding his power

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>>172274817
>"Gaynor"
>Raynor goes ballistic

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>>172273351
So, i was playing my favorite purple nigga hero, and got this peace of shit excuse for "healer". All his spells are overcosted and have long ass cooldowns. He really need change in numbers.

>>172275725
Watch your tone with him, boy.

What's the best Lucio build?

>>172275818
top everything

>>172275818
1) We Move Together/Accelerando
4) Any
7) Party Mix/Sonic Amplifier
10) Sound Barrier for heavy burst. Reverse otherwise
13) Any, situational
16) Rejuv/Heliotropics if necessary
20) Bonus Track

>>172274172
Yeah I know and it pisses me off. There is so much unused potential while we get shit characters. It's not that their not fun to play, some designs are amazing actually. But it still triggers my autism

>have 10k
>decide its time I get abathur
>proceed to win 6 games in a row

wew lads, why did you not tell me this fucker is so much fun?

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>matchmaking

I wish Brightwing's master skin didn't have those horrid horns. Horns are not cute.

>>172274808
they said already he's being reworked right now

>>172279249
>wew qm

why is Alarak so satisfying to play, /hotsg/?

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>>172272470
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>>172272642
>yfw they put in Garrosh instead of Grom

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>>172281959
Because his decrees are absolute.

Or so goes the Chain of Ascension.

>>172282462
More like RAK'SHIR

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>>172282639
More like Carousel of Omnipotence

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>>172272470
>The Overmind
Whaaaaaaaat does that mean? What gimmick would they implement to throw him into the game? Just make the player control all 5 heroes?

>>172273672
>>Probius
>le probe maymss
>>Lunara
>literal who but fun to play
>>Morales
>sc unit made into a hero I'm fine with this
>>Murky
>more meems
>>Brightwing
>this thing can fuck off
>>Li Li
>this too, blizz still pretends pandaria wasnt a disaster
>>ETC
>ETC ain't a literal who if you've played WoW
>>Gazlowe
>pretty sure everyone who's played WoW knows Gazlowe, weak fantasy though
>>Falstad
>wc unit made into a hero, one of the stronger fantasies IMO
>>Hammer
>see Morales
>>Sonya
>like all D3 classes made into heros
>>Stitches
>they had to have a pudge because it's an assfaggots

>>172273884
Oh what he is? Well anyway the fantasy of being a gryphon rider is pretty strong imo. Maybe that's just me though.

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roughly 13 hours until info about next update

hold tight my boys

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>>172283028
Pandaria WASN'T a disaster, though. It faired greatly compared to that shitstorm called WoD.

Great zones, great lore, great character development..

Much more than can be said than WoD.

>>172283028
>Gazlowe being a literal who

>Mayor of Ratchet, one of the most iconic hubs in WoW

Nah, mate. Too many memories and too much nostalgia in Ratchet for me. Alliance raids aplenty, motherfucker.

Does anyone follow HotS esports?

What team should I pick for the Heroes of the Dorm to get at least one win?

>>172283471

>built orgrimmar

Ratchet is small beans my boy, he was contracted by Thrall and that's how he got his name

>>172282902
How ya like my groove Daggoth?

>>172273672
>stitches
>literally who
Spotted the neo-WoW fag.

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>>172273672
>>172283028
>>172285059
Why stitches and not Patchwerk

How did Uther go from Boss ass Paldin, to Knight of the eternal oom?

>>172283975
coin flip between ut and uc. either of them should roast whoever else makes the final.

>>172286397

I picked UT because they had more asians.

>>172281957
?!?!?!

OBVIOUSLY!

>play the most casual moba in existence
>pretend that you are a hardcore strategist by playing HL

get to fuck m8

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>>172287161

>play inherently unfun and unbalanced mode by choice

>>172285035
Well Done

>>172285997
stitches is more famous
not many people raided naxx in vanilla

>>172287301
That just sounds like HL as well.

Every mode in the game is garbage, just play whatever is most fun to you, boys and girls.

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>>172283028
>Li Li being hot garbage.
Everyone says WoW lore sucks at inconsistent levels. That's true but Li Li wasn't even written directly by Blizzard. They threw that job off onto actually competent third party contractors. Her purpose was to introduce WoW's fantasy to any new babies coming into the franchise because Kung Fu Banda expansion was coming. I guess you could call it shitty fanfiction at that point though it's worth noting that her character development was fluid as fug when it comes to fitting into the puzzle pieces that is WoW's setting. Does that mean she should get placed into HotS? She has as much of a spot that Chen has. Bliz needed a hero that appealed to a simpler audience grills and pedos with no mechanical understanding of how assfaggots work.
She:
>Became dudebros with King Magni Bronzebeard.
>Beacame dudebros with a keeper of a grove and made some bomb ass beer out of seeds he gave her.
>Stopped a fel orc bladmaster from working with a naga queen to ultimately help Y'Shaarj at the cost of getting her babysitter killed.
>Witnessed executions following an attempted uprising.
>Saved Ansirem Runeweaver's daughter from being raped by pirates.
>Was sensually healed by a cute night elf druid.
>Single handedly found Pandaria after being a neutral party in a corrupt confrontation against asshole Horde and Alliance captains.
>Dabbles in chink furry black alchemy magic for the fuck of it.

>>172287301
this >>172287640
wasn't me but
>inherently unfun
totally objective measure
>unbalanced
>balanced
>blizzard

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>>172287743

>That's true but Li Li wasn't even written directly by Blizzard.

anon... Samwise made Li Li in like the 90s. The went to Samwise a lot for early hero concepts in pretty much everything Warcraft, so it's natural his OC trash made it into the game.

>>172287743
Interesting.
That's why I come to this general, to read stufff just like this. Thanks anon

>>172275725
They've already said Uther's getting a facelift soon at the very least (mentioned when they redid the armor system, I can find link if necessary). But I think you're right, unlike most unplayable heroes, all he needs is different cd's or improved healing. His talents are actually not bad imo and by that I mean anything but piano build is trash but piano build is "le fun"

PTR JUST HAD A SMALL UPDATE IS IT MAIEV

>>172287426
>vanilla
What about Wrath of the lich king

>>172279675
>"Remember, everyone: we know what's best for you; don't worry about calculating your rank."
>"We know your MMR so you don't have to!"
>Blizzard
>blizz
blizzard pls

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>>172288171
>Didier became responsible for the creation of the pandaren, a race originally regarded by fans — and used by Blizzard — as a " April Fools joke", but still with legitimacy within the lore. He had originally created the race for his daughter soon after her birth.
Hold the fuckin phone. Do you have any sauce on specifically Li Li existing when he thought of Pandaren? I believe it but it would be interesting to see if he based her off his daughter. Especially because Neilson based her off his own daughter.
>>172288710
Don't you fucking lie to me.

>>172288924
my point stands
personally I was horde and had no clue who stitches was to begin with, but I didn't even know hogger either

>>172288710
Live also did a small update

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>>172288710
>>172289304
>>172289432
IT"S HAPPENING

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>>172288171

>early concepts

Samwise concepts nearly everything that goes into this game including most most skins.

>>172289304

That image was drawn by Samwise in 99. The big Panda is chen and the small panda is Li Li. Note the outfit.

Samwise has been drawing these pandas forever. It's his thing.

The RACE in WOW was originally a April Fools joke way back when, but even before that they were considered to be the Alliance race for the Alliance in TBC instead of Draenei, but was ditched early on in development because making Outland AND Pandaria was too much for the team at the time and didn't feel right.

That aside, Li Li and Chen have been in Samwise's drawing forever. Them making into the game considering how Samwise is the lead concept artist over at Blizzard only makes sense.

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Does anyone want to do some TL with me? i just need 4 more games to complete my promos.

for NA of course

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>>172289770
Neato. Good to know.

>>172289770
Go to bed, Sam.

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>>172290241

http://samwisedidier.deviantart.com/

Here's more of his shit.

How do Jaina and Kael'thas compare?
Is either one of them inherently better than the other?

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>>172289713
>>172288710
It will 100% be Maiev because of Sargeras tomorrow. Therefore yfw it's actually an OW character nobody wanted that they force into HotS anyway

Probius Cannon need :
+33% duration
+25% Range

>>172290767
>Nobody want Junkrat
Speak for yourself brah

>>172290737
In a 1v1, KT is obviously better.

In a teamfight, it depends but if it's one mage vs one mage, KT's team will probably have an advantage.

>>172290737
Jaina is safer and has more utility
Kaelthas has more burst and damage but is heavily reliant on good positioning and stacking, if you pick the quest at lvl one

honestly Kaelthas isn't very fun to play with Valeera in every game imo

>>172290737
take Jaina for burst+waveclear, or VP combo pls don't take for VP combo
take KT for burst+CC
Also Jaina+Aba is/can be busted
I prefer Jaina, and think she's better in current meta, but not by a lot (neither are great right now). As always, anon, just play what you like and don't feed.

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>>172289770

Li Li and Chen circa 2002

>>172290848
>implying Junkrat wouldn't be one of the best characters from OW to be in HotS
>implying his kit isn't theoretically super fun in a moba
>implying I don't want to spend hours in try mode spamming rip tire
Granted, his AA would be interesting, to say the least. I guess they could make splash AA part of his trait or something, along with death grenades.

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>>172291346

Samuro circa 1997

\\>>172291613
If only Samuro actually looked this fucking rad in-game.

At least his paid skin looks fucking great. Not the Monkey King one, I hate that skin.

>>172291821

The main elements are there. Most of the dangley bits were removed for obvious reasons.

>>172291613

1999*

>>172291461
>passive
>Splash AOE on basic attack

>>172292058
I mean how else would they do it

Unless they just completely changed one of the core elements of the character.
not disagreeing, it's probably undo-able sadly

>>172291461

Junkrat's base kit would completely obliterate pretty much every specialist or summon/structure based hero in the entire game and any to come in the future.

He would need a hefty reload mechanic or his damage numbers would be asinine.

>sudden influx of illusion master ebola samuros

what happened why is this allowed

>>172283471
Pandaria inserted pandas in the game.
How's that not a disater?

>>172293005

pandaren are cool

>>172292737
>started playing playing again today
>playing illusion samuro

hmmm.

>>172293086

are you me?

>>172290767
i even after buying 2 master skins i still have 40k gold.
I blame lucio and prodius for that.

>>172293179
obviously we are all just illusions of the prime samuro player

>>172293054
no they are not and the avatarfag panda posters are even worse

>>172293249
Didn't buy
>Probius
>Lucio
>Zul'jin
Maybe next hero

>>172292737
Ever since Samuro was invented in Warcraft 3, he was in most maps. He was a favorite in Hero versus in WC3 mods. And now in HOTS he's still a favorite.

The illusions are so good and he's just a pain in the ass without any real counter.

>>172293249
Lucius and Probius are good though.

>>172293809
they might be good but they are not cool, wich counts for me

What do the two different graphics for Abathur mines mean? Like one is a little bump and the other is like a pulsating thing with holes.

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>>172294429
Master skin, right?
Also it tells you if it's growing or if it's ready to blow if you're too blind to see the progress bar by its health.

>>172294429

Pimple = arming
Spikey glowy = armed

>>172294429
When it's a bump it's non-stealthed and not armed.
When it's glowing it's stealthed and armed.

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>>172294531
>>172294524
>>172294517

Thanks bros

>HotS summit going on
>Uther reworks coming
>Leoric changes have been promised ages ago but not delivered
>No announcement of the new heroes yet
>Before a sudden change, the Probius video implied there was more they wanted to announce at the time but didn't for some reason

So what announcements do you think are coming and how many of them will we be disappointed about?

Do people unironically think anyone other than UTA has a chance of winning dorm? Thanks for the free stimpack blizz

>>172294814
what was the change to the probius video? I probably only saw the final version.

>>172294814
why are they changing leo? he's an unstoppable god right now. the enemy team only has two choices while dealing with a good leo

>enemy team ignores leo, takes insane damage with medium slows
>enemy team bursts down leo, friendly team steamrolls because everyone is on cd. leo respawns quickly/on the map, rinse and repeat

i hope they don't ruin my favorite hero

>>172295138
LSU has a chance though
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA but really no one has a chance vs uta

>>172272470
>Not Arcturus Mengsk

Disgusting taste friend.

>>172295326
They'll probably give him 10 Armor and make him more of a bruiser.

The last change he got was a March nerf promising "future changes soon".
This was back... before Samuro I believe?

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READY
FOR
ADVENTURE

Okay so what if

>each healing fountain had it;s own cooldown

>>172296251

Vikings would be an unstoppable god

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>>172296251
No one would ever die unless your comp completely revolved around deleting people.

>>172296329
>>172296349
I think Anon means that if you use a fountain, you would activate its cooldown, meaning that no one else can use it until it is over.
Is that right, >>172296251 ?

New hero will be a Starcraft one, Mengsk or Stukov to coincide with free Broodwar and then Fenix when SC Remastered is released in summer.

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>>172296510
So shrines in bota but only for the user?
Interesting.

>>172296510
no lol
each fountain has it's own cooldown linked that player

>>172292313
Make it splash when the grenades connect with a hero.

Also make them sorta bounce forward instead of flying straight to target. So they could hit something earlier and go off.

>>172296954
Autos that can be bodyblocked? Junk would be completely gimped if his target walked behind some minions then.

>>172295228
Originally the Probius video announced Probius, mounts, and more!
Then when someone pointed out the video is terribly short and only has probius and one mount the title was changed, suggesting that originally they video they were going to put out had more to it.

>>172295326
At the time he saw no play. Because that changed they said they're just giving him number tweaks, and maybe a few talent changes so he gets more build diversity.

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>>172296954
Perhaps no auto attack and just something similar to Zarya's Q except that...bounces?

I can dream can't I

>>172297856
Ziggs kit is basically Junkrat, just move his E minefield to his trait and give him the beartrap root as new E.

>tfw no Vrykul hero

I'll settle for a Skeleman King dressed up as one, I guess.

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When the Valeera is just right.

>Xul can now toggle his trait between skeletons pushing mindlessly or staying by his side like Arthas' ghouls.

Is he fixed?

>>172297996
http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/wiki/skins/leoric-vrykul

>>172297856
Basic attack just being grenades that hit straight to one target and Q being a bouncing grenade that triggers on contact on an enemy or wall would work.

>>172298383
>I'll settle for a Skeleman King dressed up as one, I guess

>>172298153
Would be neat, however his skeletons would just melt to AoE and never really get to do anything.

This also doesn't fix the fact that he's the D3 Necro, not the D2 Necro they sold him as.

>>172298153
>xul now spawns big skeletons that follow him when enemy heroes die near him
>they have no time limit

Is he fixed?

I think I have a pretty decent idea of how to play each map by now and I want to try Ranked but I can't into drafting.
Am I right in assuming that Brightwing, Arthas/Muradin and Jaina are pretty safe picks in basically any map? Keeping in mind that I would pick one of the 3 depending on whether the team needs a Healer, Tank or Assassin respectively.

>>172298816
That would be fun.

>>172296251
people might actually value taking down fountains early rather than pile into the first often worthless objective on some maps. too strategic for this crowd. consider yourself promoted to where ever dustin browder went.

>>172272470
>Imperius
>not Mephisto
kys

>>172273672
switch sonya with auriel and put xul for the D2 fags

>>172283382
I had ENOUGH of your lies. You are like the 10th fucking person saying when the news will come and they NEVER come! So Shut up. It will came when i see it already on there youtube channel with an indev video.

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>>172301014
>It will came
I'd be excited too bud but there's no need to be that pumped about it.

About how many wins to unlock a Master Skin after level 8?
I'm starting to have second thoughts about getting Jaina's.

>>172302073
More than you have won so far

>>172302073
20-25 games with no stimpack

OFFICIAL SUPPORT POWER LIST

1. Malf
*POWER GAP*
2. Rehgar
3. Lucio
4. Kharazim
*POWER GAP*
9001. Medic
9002. Auriel
9003. Tassadar
9004. Tyrande
9005. Brightwing
*POWER GAP*
90001. Li Li
*POWER GAP*
900001. Uther

>>172298907

>>172302241
>>172302268
Oh well
At least Jaina has become significantly more fun since I changed my build.
That 30% increased range on Frost Bolt is great, it lets me chase people around much more easily. I can't believe I used to pick the one that increases chill duration.

>>172304126
Auriel is way better than Medic and Tassadar is one of the best characters in the game. If your just labeling him as a solo support yeah, but Tass is fucking insane in the utility role.

>>172304126
Tass should be up with Malf

>>172304126
>Tassadar not first
Hey wood

>>172304126
this list is ___correct________

>>172305129
>>172305092

i think the list is for solo supporting

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>>172272286
God, I missed this

>>172304663
>>172305092
>>172305129

I am ranking for random HL game.

I rank Medic higher than Auriel because Auriel again needs a good player and hero to be paired with while Medic is a weaker but more reliable support who sees play on small sustain maps.

Tassadar can be great if your team drafts around him but he doesnt fit in any random comp.
For example Lucio, Tassadar, Zarya, Leoric and Nazeebo could stomp all the way from Bronze to GM but good luck getting a team that is daring enough to draft that.

Imperius reveal when?

>>172304201
Only thing chill duration allows is to combo a fb after another, which sucks anyway because you have no range on fb
Range of q is okay but increased slow is better, mostly because you need to be close to your target anyway for coc and blizzard, ence why range is for chase

that being said, if you're in qm q build is usually better

>>172305609
>not releasing belial, lord of lies, on april 1st

missed opportunity blizz

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Junkrat or Reinhard could be cool in HOTS

>>172305642
The increase in the slow amount use to be good when it was 10%, but it's a bad talent at 5%, the range is the best and the increase in duration is the second best. The 5% increase in the slow is not good.

Kel'thuzad and D.Va
Zagara gets easter skin this year

>>172305935
As in KT next week or something?

>>172283471

I imagine cataclysm was the disaster. Then every quit before pandaria and went lolpandas without playing it.

Or maybe I'm projecting, since that's what I did.

Who should I buy as my next 10k hero /hotsg/:

Valeera so I can only kill scrubs in QM
Ragnaros so I can only kill scrubs in QM since he is literally always banned in Ranked
Varian to annoy people by going invincible every 10 seconds
Zul'jin for TAAAAAAAZ'DINGO!!

?

>>172305642

q build is literally her default build in hl, it's not only better in qm

>>172306184
Rag for the 1 time in 20 when they decide to ban tass/arthas instead and you have first pick

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>Garden of Terror
>I hover TLV
>"FUCK YOU DUMB VIKINGS WE NEED DMG"
>I pick TLV (2nd pick)
>"WTF YOU ASSHOLE"
>"wow so incensitive do you even want win ?"
>someone dodges, back to queue
>new match, Garden of Terror, the 2 people who insulted me are against me
>first pick TLV
>proceed to stomp them in a 15 min match, lvl 20 vs lvl 15 at the end.
>tfw

>>172289713

Stop trying to make Maiev happen. It's not going to happen.

>>172295138

Hell if I know, I just picked the team with the most asians on it.

>for the Azeroth

>>172310364
Something about his face and the way he's hunched over makes me think he's squatting to take a shit.

>>172272470
replace archimonde with Killy J and add Mengsk

Where the FUCK is Imperius????

Memereveal on saturday, real reveal on monday

Who should i pick to win the pick chalenge? ulc or arlington? the other two obviously won't be it since they have no chinks on their teams

>>172317064
Def ULC

Any news?

>>172320147
We'll see tomorrow.

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Since everyone's friendly neighbourhood High Lord is back on the f2p queue, I need tips on getting gud with him.

When is the trade-off between Discord and Telekinesis distance talents worth it? When the enemy team is highly mobile? Or is it the opposite when they aren't as mobile? Would the distance get long enough to basically make him into a better Stitches and yank solo enemies far away from their deathball? What about ults? Is one objectively better than the other or are they both good? I have doubts whether the charge is ever good but I hate using the other ult and expecting somebody to hit me AFTER I finish aiming it. And I see mentions that lightning builds are worthless here every once in a while, is poking with Qs just that much better? I feel pretty squishy a lot and exposed whenever I try to do any frontline fighting so I want to just mash E and never get close against half of the comps I go against. Is that normal?

>>172306514

>TASSADAR CANT SOLO SUPPORT
>pick Tassadar
>win

>SONYA CANT SOLO TANK
>pick sonya solo tank
>win

>MALF IS OP PICK HIM
>pick malf blindly because hurr he strong
>lose

Makes you think

>>172298623
Even him just being the D3 Necro his design is all over the place.

Only really his skeletons and their talents are designed to be a pusher. His Q and W are good for waveclear just like any other AoE ability. And then there's that level 20 Bone Spear they put in to pretend that hey it's the D2 Necro we promise.

In a lot of ways it feels like they had two designs and didn't want to make two heros and couldn't decide what to go for so they just squeezed them together and released whatever was left.

>>172321768
>enemy picks a shit comp that is outsustained by a solo Tassadar
>hurr my pick was good
>enemy picks a shit comp that can't even deal with one Sonya
>hurr my pick was good
>can't play one of the easiest pick2win healbots
>hurr Malf is bad
I hope you actually are thinking.

>>172321789

Xul isn't a solo lane pusher, hes designed for clearing two lanes in close proximity. His kit enables him to clear fast, leave skeletons to clear, and move on.

Bone spear gives him another safer damage / wave clear tool om a short cooldown.

I don't think you understand this game enough to criticize it :).

>>172321963

Malf doesn't save people, he prevents them from needing to be saved. Sometimes Malf is shit, for example against burst damage of any kind. Blindly picking him regardless of draft because "hurrr he strongest supp!!!" Is a wood league mistake.

>>172304126
Li Li is too low if you're talking about people who are good at the character

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>tfw le preparations man with 20% hp retard charges you across the map and you explode him by blowing your burst load all over his face and and whisper "...prepare this"
>tfw the cringe is completely worth it

>>172305779
Roadhog stitches when

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So is stitches really that bad because of his Hook now being obsolete?

Because I kinda like playing him as a bruiser-tank but I don't know if its worth shelling out for him when I'm just gimping myself into a playstyle that isn't viable

>>172322485
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED

>>172322584

It's as viable as your teams ability to collapse on hooked targets and your ability to land dank hooks.

People give him shit for being a fat ass with a hook and that's it, mainly because like two years ago he was a terror and was so well rounded he was the best tank in the game, now he's not.

>>172322584
The reason Artanis outclasses him is because Prism goes through minions. Hook doesn't.

>>172322584
No. A good Stitches will turn any fight into a 5vs4 preemptively.
A good Artanis can do that, but it allows counterplay in form of blowing Artanis up who switched himself into a shit position, equaling out to a 4vs4.
Stitches is a lot safer and much sturdier in a poke heavy environment, particularly with spellshield. That's the tradeoff for less damage and dueling power.

>>172322584
Stitches works but your not gonna be able to solo tank easily unless the enemy teamcomps bad.
You're basically just a big bag of HP with low survivability.
Also, positioning on hooks is way more important thatn people realize.

>>172304201
I usually play her with the armor talent and the shield talent. Allows me to be very tanky against characters who can dive me especially when you consider her range isn't the greatest. The chill when they hit you is also great.

It has worked great for me in QM since you often can't count on your team to be able to peel or even to have someone who can do it in the first place.

>>172321963
>enemy picks a shit comp that can't even deal with one Sonya
Time and time again I see people stupid enough to focus Sonya and she just keeps healing with her Whirlwind. Literally spin to win.

>>172299202
those devs should have made a necromancer more like the D2 one. Main reason of playing summons was to see all those skulls following you, this shit would have been funny in hots

>>172322584
Artanis' speed and damage makes him less reliant on his team. A good stitches is only able to make plays if his teammates are good enough to back up his godhooks.

How the fuck do you play Dehaka? I'm having an incredibly difficult time with him. Missing drag feels like a death sentence, and despite it being incredibly useful, the times that there's a perfect opportunity to use it seem slim in QM. Often when it would be at its most useful, there are creeps or other obstacles in the way, or else the enemy simply walks out of its range or sidesteps it as you cast it.

Is he the type of hero that requires a well-coordinated team who can follow up? I can see the potential for him, but I just can't seem to make it work.

>>172322584
you can carry games with gorge but it rarely happens

How to spec Tyrande?

>>172326695
What I mean is that I don't know how I'm supposed to be engaging as him. Do I initiate with drag? Do I just walk straight into the enemy team? Do I enter the fight late using brushstalker? Do I try to flank? Do I sit around the middle of my team and try to drag people into them?

He feels weirdly squishy for a tank, and I understand how to use his regeneration, but it makes me scared to actually tank.

>>172326695

He's an ambush tank. Use your mount ability to burrow in on unsuspecting split pushers or behind the enemy lines during a teamfight and grab up a squishy or support. Use your ability to everywhere to farm up essence and xp, then burrow in at opportune moments for a gank or snatch up. Don't play his like a front line tank, play him like you're a savage beast pouncing on it's prey and drag it back into your pack to eat.

Also don't make the mistake of using Swarm during body blocking, and dodge pain with Burrow.

There's a slight skill floor with Dehaka, but at a certain point it hits you and it just clicks. Keep practicing.

>diamond
>your johanna picks the shitty fall from sky ulti
>doesn't even know he can move while it's casting
>diamond

>>172327409
maybe a missclick talent?

3 hours boys

>>172327409
i wouldnt be surprised if she doesnt know, i've only seen that ult twice, most people doesnt know it shoots rays with the upgrade

>>172327773
until ?

Man, Abathur and Alarak make me wish I picked up SC2. I stopped playing during broodwar. Maybe I should buy SC2 just to play through the single player.

>>172327469
>>172328352
I have never picked it and know it can move

>>172328740
The single player is definitely worth it
Never touched competitive multiplayer and only played arcade aside from the single player

>>172328496

Until justice rains from above

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>>172283382
>roughly 13 hours later

>tfw you lose 5 minutes in because your team is filled with actual retards

Dark Wanderer when? I want a hero whose ult is just Become Diablo.

>>172328740
hardly worth 40bucks if you're just gonna play the campaign

>>172329807
Isn't the campaign free? Or was that the multiplayer?

When will they make seperate servers for russians?

>>172329807
I'm actually thinking about getting the 60 dollar digital deluxe battle chest for all the goodies in all the other blizzard games, mainly the wow pets.

>>172330223
>he still plays wow

>>172328740
There was a deal recently on B.net to get all 3 campaigns for 40$/€. I've spent about same amount using other promotions in the past to get all of them and feel satisfied, even though I've never touched standard multiplayer match.
Blizz knows that 70% of people who bought SC2 are filthy causals like me or >>172329085
and so they are investing so much time into Co-Op mode, which is also super fun with all the themed factions.

>>172271880
so when new hero announced?

>>172330908
either in 2-4 hours or friday

>>172330023
it's not
the free version is basically play vs ai

>>172330223
I'm sorry to hear that

>>172330908

Literally never

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Taking bets on Hero reveal

1. Warcraft
2. Starcraft
3. Diablo
4. Overwatch
5. Blizz classic
6. BONUS: Map reveal
7. BONUS: LOOT system reveal
8. Superman

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>>172332171
Draenei waifu.

>>172332171
The next hero will be from __HoTS__

>>172332171
Two diablo heroes, one Warcraft hero is teased, two maps, and a teaser about the loot system.

>>172332171
>>172332426
Diablo and Starcraft are dead to the HotS dev-team

>>172332426

Ambitious, i like it

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>>172330908
>Go to sleep and wake up and STILL NO NEWS.
This shit better be good.

>>172332601
It's superman

>>172332483
Probius just came out bra.
If you watched the reddits, you would have seen that last novermber they were taking ideas on how to make Deckard Cain a hero.

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>>172301907
>this fucking art

>>172322584
>Ugly character
>Shit abilities other than hook
>Boring as fuck to play
Take a guess

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>nothing until tomorrow

BLIZZ'D

>tfw human skin colored tyrande with human skin colored sylv on my team
>tfw throbbing erection as i zoom at them
so hawt

>>172334845
>tempted to buy Love Goddess Tyrande
>only color palette I like for it is the one with blond hair
>tempted to buy Ranger General Sylvanas
>all colors look nice but it's little more than a recolor of the original

Blizzard pls

>>172334283

im mad

>>172332171
Deckard Cain
Yrel
Loot
Tease of Overwatch event in summer

>>172272470
Maiev and grom pls, but ur list is nice too

Just watch. We're gonna get Malthael.

>>172327040
depends on comps/maps. owl and shadowstalk is safe but she can be tweaked around a lot depending on your team AA strenght or if it's a boss map or if you have a heavy kill comp..

>>172334283
https://twitter.com/SolidJakeGG/status/846550263296999425
>year
more prolonged hype over what's probably going to amount basic features other games had for years.

>>172336430
taking this to reddit rn

>>172336825
Malthael would work since there was a whole expansion about him.

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STILL NO ANNOUNCEMENT OR TRAILER!

WHAT IS GOING ON BROS!?

NEW PATCH OUT
LEORIC BUFFS ARE IN

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20649609
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20649609
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20649609

>Cho'Gall buffs
>Rag nerfs
>Tychus buffs
>Varian buffs/nerfs
>Murky buffs
>Probius buffs
>Tassadar nerfs
>Arthas nerfs
>Leoric buffs

i love sylv
>fighting that little dragon slut
>he health getting low
>filthy coward tries to use bye bye to get out of the fight
>*WAAAAAAAAAAA* *plop*
>fucking denied
>she starts running around in panic knowing she can't do shit
>DING
feels good mang

>>172336430
>tease of overwatch event
So they're already going to address the dying overwatch player population?

>>172337109
pretty sure they stole the taunt/base health from one of my posts...either that or it was the most obvious thing ever.

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>>172337109
>Tassadar nerfs
>Varian buffs

>>172337109
shitty/10

>all shall suffer

you fucking bet

>>172337109
meh, now that i was starting to enjoy arthas

>>172337758

I already do, because I was waiting for some huge announcement, instead they nerf Tassadar even more.

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>tfw

>>172337109
>Tassadar nerds

I don't want to have to take the globe talent dammit.

>>172337109

Finally rag nerfs like wtf were they doing this whole time?

>>172337109
>Cho'Gall buffs
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>Consuming Blaze is now 33.3% more effective as a heal (also self-sustain quest is 50% more effective)
>more DoT as Cho's basic attack now refreshes the duration
>Cho's basic attack and Gall's Q are just straight up more powerful

Not world ending but I feel the better self-sustain combined with damage over time is just what Cho might need to push him into solid territory

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>>172337953
Nova? Zeratul?

"I will fullfill my calling."
*teleportsbehindyou*
"En arudin Raszagal."

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>Skelekang buffs

HOPE YER IN THE MOOD FOR SOME MEMEING, MATEYS!

>>172337758
STILL no talent rework.

>>172337109
>tiny buff to leorics damage
it's fucking nothing

>>172338413
Could be Raynor.

>>172337109
they reduced varians health AGAIN???!!!
WHAT THE FUCK???
it was already reduces by 20% fucking percent before, varian is now basically abathur reskin without the hat and mines

>>172338607
They increased Varian's health, and reduced the bonus from Taunt.
>but I always choose Taunt!!!
They don't like that.

>>172338607
With how hard they're nerfing Warbringer, I think it's a sign they want people to take Shield Wall.

>>172337109
Still no toggle to control Li Li's healing priority?
Life is suffering.

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>>172338413
>Nova
>Implying
Your memelord has returned.

>>172338739
because his other ults are garbage, by desroying taunt instead of buffing his other ults they will only have another dead hero on their hands like tlv or hummer

>>172337109
>Khaydarin Resonance got changed again
Dammit Blizz make up your mind already

>>172338839
This is her trait dipstick. They can't make her healing targeted because she would immadiately made reghar and all other healers obsolete

>>172338839
still keeping diverse heroes and ignoring retards?
gj blizz

>>172338915
learn math retard #2

>>172338915
CS is pretty good for burst heavy comps, and TB is good for dive comps.

>>172337109
WHERE ARE THE LUNARA BUFFS!!!!!

>>172338783
I hate it when Blizz acts like this, it's kinda childish isn't it?

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>>172338783
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>varian still kept his personal divine shield

>>172339306
They do that all the time in wow, like in cata they introduced rated battleground, people didn't like they because they sucked and would do arena instead, so they decided to increase the points in RBGs you got for winds, and then double the amount of games needed to cap your points in arena. Then people still weren't playing RBGs so they made it so you could only cap your last 400 points in RBGs not arena.

People still didn't play it except now they needed to run one rbg a week to cap their points.

>>172337109
>they reverted tass's shields from 8 seconds back to 5 seonds
l o l

>>172337109
>marky not deleted
FUCK OFF

>>172337109
where's my man impqu

>>172339723
>globe talent is now required just to have 100% uptime on shields

>>172339723
Except cooldown stayed at 8 seconds

>>172338915
How new R U? That's the blizzard way. If they want people to use the bad ult, then they nerf the good one until both are taken equally

>>172339039
LiLi's trait is that she runs faster when damaged. You meant to say "her gimmick" or "her theme"

Who's going to win heroes of the dorm?

>>172340946
The good team

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>>172337109
Noice
"Abilities
Worker Rush (Z)
Cooldown reduced from 40 to 30 seconds
Now automatically activates when Probius is in the Hall of Storms
Warp in Pylon (D)
Cooldown reduced from 14 to 12 seconds
Warp Rift (W)
Range increased by 15%
Slow amount increased from 20 to 25%
Photon Cannon (E)
Damage increased from 95 to 105
Duration increased from 11 to 13 seconds
Null Gate (R)
Range increased by 12%
Cooldown decreased from 40 to 30 seconds"

>>172340946
From how my picks have gone already, the one I didn't choose to win.

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>>172339647
>Shield Wall
>2 charges
>1.25 seconds invincibility per charge
>15 mana
>7 sec cooldown (can be reduced to 4 seconds if attacked while using the ability)
>A total of 2.5 seconds of invincibility, or 1.25 seconds of invincibility every 4 seconds at lvl 7

>Medivh's Force of Will
>1 charge
>1.50 seconds invincibility (can be upgraded to ~1.9 seconds with lvl 16)
>5 second cooldown
>50 mana

>Uther's Divine Shield
>Heroic Ability
>1 charge
>3 seconds invincibility duration, 5 secs at lvl 20
>EIGHTY (80) mana
>NINETY (90) second cooldown, 70 sec at lvl 20

>Varian's talent, at level 7, costing 15 mana per activation, is more effective than Medivh's innate 50 mana ability, even after being upgraded at level 16
>Varian's talent, at level SEVEN, gives more invincibility time during a fight compared to Uther's HEROIC ABILITY
>AT LEVEL
>FUCKING
>TWENTY

>>172340324
exactly
it's a straight downgrade from pre-nerf tass now

>>172338783
and then they will nerf shield wall because no one picks warbringer

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>>172340946
the team with the most asians.

>>172341629
>pre-nerf
pre-rework

>>172340946
fuck Kentucky ruining everything for me.

>>172338514
Tiny buffs to damage can impact a lot. Remember the numbers they are throwing out are at lvl 1. He now hits harder at every point in the game, clears waves better with Q and at lvl 20 you still have Spectral Leech.

Leoric was an amazing solo laner before this just made him that much better. Leoric is never going to be a tank, even at his best he was more of a bruiser an this just helped him out

>>172341534
Divine shield's main perc was invulnerability to cc as well.
But yes, it was in a bad spot after the nerf and has been god awful since recent heroes.

>>172341835
It doesn't help that Uther is also complete dog shit.

>>172334283
When's that TownHall podcast happening exactly? hour and timezone

>>172341995
Complete doggo doodoo only in rando teams, my friend.
If your dps isn't shit and your tank has the balls to go hard then Uther can get some work done.

But yes, he's suboptimal in most situations, especially since no one knows how to play a melee assassin.

>>172337109
So that don't actually intend for Probius' Z to be used as an escape?
Playing him in CLOAKED HEROES of the storm is rough.

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What would Vorazun's kit be like?

>>172342496
It's called intuition.
Push in a bit, toss out a few w's+q and don't overstay your welcome.

With proby's waveclear speed you can get in and out a lane in no time.

>>172342350
No he's shit everywhere. He can't keep up with with the damage people throughout anymore and his mana costs are ridiculous.

Not to mention he's a melee healer that hits like a wet noodle. Morales hits harder.

>>172341819
His auto attack is super slow anyway, so this won't help him much. Not a lot of his damage even came from autoing, it is his % life drain. A slight auto increase to a very slow auto attack won't change much. The bigger change would be the buff to his wave clear, his swing, but that is pretty insignificant he was good when he and johanna could clear early waves, but they both have pretty lackluster wave clear now even after the like 8% buff to its damage.

Daily reminder that Invigoration and Flail Axe are the best early game talents for Butcher.

>>172342849
>He can't keep up
His sustain is awful but his burst heals combined with his hard stun make for quick, clean teamfights.

He has his place, but most people are too shit to know how to play with him on the team.

>>172342940
>Not a lot of his damage even came from autoing
I do agree that people are getting too excited over this "notice me" buff, but Leoric already hit's like a fucking truck. Increasing his aa by by nearly 15% is going to make those incredibly drawn out teamfights he seems to get himself into all the time a lot easier to settle.

>>172342940
What they should do is have skeletal swing reset his auto, so you can auto > swing > auto like all at once so he can get some decent burst there.

>>172343448
>pick Beacon of Light
>pick Blessed Champion
>act as an off tank for your team
>after a holy light, your autos heal everyone and yourself for a significant amount, giving you a fair bit more sustain

Nobody ever takes those talents though because 'muh piano build' or 'muh radiance' build, even though Blizz gave him 10 armor, suggesting he's meant to be a bit more aggressive and frontliney than most supports.

>>172343479
But you can...?

>>172343479
You do realize that if you swing immediately after you auto then it's almost completely reset by that point.
What you do is
>auto > step > swing >step/auto
Micro to cover more ground so they don't just walk away from you, the direct counter to Leoric.

>>172343448
Uther's place in the game is when every other healer is banned or picked. I mean he's LiLi tier but LiLi can actually do damage.

The one thing he has going for him is a decent Tracer counter with stun, divine storm.

>>172343927
>LiLi tier
But Li Li is an amazing counter to hard auto attacker teams.
She can even solo heal if you take the right talents and your team doesn't pick/isn't meant for sustained teamfighting.

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wtf I love Blizzard now

>>172343479
It's a 9% increase, only a 12 damage increase. But he doesn't get much damage from his auto attack. He doesn't really hit like a truck either, rag autos hit harder and they hit faster as well even after the nerf. He's not really an AA character. You will get most of your damage from drain and then at 20 from leech. The bigger change is to the swing because it slightly helps wave clear because he gets double damage against minions, but it's still not very significant.