New 3DS game is called "Deep Strange Journey" further info and the teaser:
http://shin-megamitensei.jp/dsj/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kXOfSFb2EU
SMT HD Project teased at Nintendo Switch Presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfkAh4iZ6o
Participate in the current /smtg/ sings:
http://collabedit.com/uvwta
http://pastebin.com/dKLqugTC
>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png
>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/kHK2a6dR
>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/NqLRYf5n
>OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU
>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/pgEWmYfH
>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/
>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/ByiXrDGX
Previous thread
>>172126000
DEEP ASS
I want to spank Alex.
pls gideon translate smt I&II PSX
>>172164980
>SMT IV endgame equipment
best girl
>>172165053
Just wait for the 30th anniversary
Why Sugita is always in his Adidas tracksuit?
>>172165053
That's never going to happen. Ask him for something a bit more reasonable, like finishing the If... translation.
>>172165742
>>172165538
Sometimes I wonder if learning japanese would be quicker
>>172166108
At this point, I am pretty sure that is a certainty. You might as well learn, since half of the franchise is doomed to never get a translation.
>>172166108
>this man invented Nocturne/DDS engine from zero
>this man also ruined IV setting with Final
>this man will inevitably ruin SJ with DEEP
That's why you don't ask programming autists to direct a game. He's literally japanese Carmack.
>>172166438
Oh yeah? Watch this
DIPPU STORANJI JAANI
>>172166517
Code monkeys were a mistake.
Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304
goodnight sweet prince
>>172166517
>ruined iv setting. But he wasn't involved with the manga project.
>>172167327
I'm excited about the new Strange Journey game.
But this cover of SJ with the demonica is really cool. I hope the new cover doesn't only have Alex.
>You will never have an AI sacrifice itself for you because of its belief in humanity.
Why live
>>172167327
no mt2 no vote
I hope in this version Anthony can get a waifu.
>>172167717
Because you didn't join the navy
>>172167834
Anthony will be absorbed by a waifu goddess.
Trust me, I work for SEGA.
We got Maria on a "main" game after all those years.
That means Sophia, Adam and Eve well as designs from Nine are finally going be used on something?
>Sector E
>Ouroboros
>Mem Aleph
>All that pain and suffering
>"At least the ride is finally over"
>This
I WANT TO GET OFF THE SCHWARZWELT RIDE
>>172167547
>reading manga
Filth.
I hope the secondary characters from the medbay and the command room get portraits.
>>172169398
I hope Jack gets a portrait
>/pg/ gets a proper SMT game
>/smtg/ gets a remake with forced waifu bullshit
It wasn't meant to be this way
>>172170045
>Forced waifu bullshit
You have literally nothing to go by to make this claim other than the bitch's concept art.
My Lord God Is A Shut-In NEET?!?
>>172170045
>>172170162
>yfw she's actually just hunting you down and you end up just killing her instead of any waifu bullshit at all
>>172170202
YHVH is gonna give himself a second chance and transport himself into a new world full of cute girls and RPG elements.
>>172170162
>show her ass in the cover art
She's waifutrash and has ruined SJ.
I hope the remake doesn't have any annoying hard dungeons like Eridanus and that garbage town. Remove the stupid dungeon crawling please.
I would like it much better if the dungeons existed only to bridge events together.
Next, please introduce social links. I would like to build bonds with the characters thank you.
Also, make every character savable. Just because I chose Chaos route shouldn't mean Zelenin has to die.
Finally please make the fusion system good and the combat fun. Negotiation should be made much easier or removed.
>>172170045
>/pg/ gets a proper SMT game
Don't make me laugh, even #FE is more SMT than P5 kiddo. Just because Yaldabaoth is the final boss and got negotiations don't mean that is SMT.
>>172170202
To be honest I kinda feel for YHVH.
>Help humans. Make world paradise.
Hurr durr humanity has no free will. You're a dictator.
>Don't interfere. Let humanity have freedom.
Durr hurr why aren't you helping us? You're evil.
Guy just can't catch a break.
>>172170406
whyis she so cute bros
>>172170202
>half of the characters accuse YHVH of not doing anything
>the other accuses him of interfering too much
Seriously, what do these people want from him anyway?
>Someone please think of the children
>>172170591
fat tits
autism
>>172170332
Her actual portrait isn't even bad other than the headphones. /smtg/ is really jumping the gun over her.
D E E P D A R K F A N T A S I E S: THE GAME
>>172170878
her design even conflicts with the horrible redrawn art.
This game is going to suck, I have an eye for this stuff.
>>172170672
I like how no one in the game except Dagda and Walter make a valid complaint against him. The fact that he limited human understanding led to the creation of demons as we know them now. He purposely created that situation so that more humans would worship him and perpetuate his existence. That should be the main complaint against him, but only Walter and Dagda bring it up.
People are overreacting. It's not even a good ass.
So were these all the things that came out of the stream?
>Strange Journey remake
>Radiant Historia remake
>Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2
>Brief glimspe of SMT HD footage
alex looks like a cut FINAL character, get her out of my SJ!!!
I wish /v/ would leave.
>>172171505
I wish /smtg/ was alive.
>>172171279
This always happens when women wear skintight jumpsuits. It happened with Zero Mission. It happened with that ass game. And of course it's happening with DEEP. All too easily does real ass slip right under our noses.
I wish someone loved me
>>172171789
>nier shit
>good ass
>real
>>172171917
>jojo
>>172170406
Shut up
>>172172165
Not him but I bet that you are some faggot that lapped on Automata because 2b.
Don't spam the damn thing on every board/thread. Shit gets annoying as fuck. I have nothing against the game but godamn.
>>172172165
>recognizing it
>>172172368
Is Jojolion good or interesting yet?
>>172172225
How localization was been treating you EOP kun?
>>172172534
I said shut up d-bag, don't make me eff you up.
>>172172534
Why is her english voice so bad?
>>172172534
SHUT UP
DONT COMPLIMENT #FE
>>172172495
Sure.
>>172172534
>localization
>atlus
After Soul Hackers, I figured we'd have hope for some good stuff. But now I dunno. They're doing the same thing that they did with Devil Survivor.
We'll never get anything good, or anything we actually want. The time to learn to read Japanese is now.
>>172172697
> implying fumi's english voice didn't suit her perfectly
>>172172702
>implying that #FE is a bad game.
>>172170672
These people want YHVH to step in and bail them out of their own problems.
>>172171131
But YHVH is pretty much shaped by people's desire for a strong god to smite their enemies. If humans stop using YHVH's powers for petty or trivial reasons, then God wouldn't be messed up.
>Still haven't beaten strange journey, now remake has been announced
>actually, I haven't beaten any SMT
>mfw
Why do I keep starting them. I keep getting to right after you find your mother has been replaced with a demon in SMT1 and then life gets in the way
>>172164829
Will Inanna join the league of Mother Goddess and join in their quest to make Space Marine a breeding slave?
>>172173818
They did stop. Monotheistic religions always competed with other religions across the globe, all of which were much closely followed than your average Sunday Only churchmen. That and by the latest century all of these religions were dying out, dead, or questioned more freely.
YHVH has no excuse to be an Old Testament meanie.
post yfw they add more Anthony missions
>>172174435
That would require them to acknowledge more monsters
>>172174435
>>172174426
YHVH is supposed to be a strict authority figure who doles out capital punishment for any offense. He's the ultimate Law figure who can't be tempted, it makes no sense for him to ease up just because humans are redpilled.
>>172174716
You're right. Can't have heathens worshipping/following other gods if you kill off the world's population and remake the remaining stragglers into corpses or not-human.
YHVH truly is the pinnacle.
>>172164829
the more I look at Alex the more I like her (and her bottom)
>>172175110
The more I look at her the more I hate her.
>>172175249
why?
do we know whether or not the SMT Switch game is Nintendo exclusive?
>>172170672
>going Bonds route
If you deny YHVH yourself then you at least make sense.
>>172175542
>smt switch tentative title
Since sony fanboys need to have it spoonfed, I'll just come out and say it. It's coming to Xbox One, PC, Nintendo Switch, with a definitive N3DS port with extra content coming soon after.
I work for Kaneko, he told me.
>>172175350
she doesnt fit in SJ at all.
>>172175945
The base game had a big black dude in a tuxedo wandering around the place.
>>172176132
So FINAL tier designs belong in SJ for that reason?
>>172176335
nigga just shut the fuck up and wait for it to be released. Initial art work may make you feel one thing but more info may make you feel another. Chill and wait.
>>172175945
>>172176335
>final tier
I mean you can say she doesn't fit, sure, but to say her design is "final tier" is unfair. Her design itself isn't bad, she just may not work well in this setting.
I wonder though. If she was included in the original game, would she feel so out of place? Or is it only because we're seeing her with no context here that it's so off putting? I guess we'll never know. All we can do is wait and see how this character affects the tone of this remake. Basically what >>172176547 said
>>172176547
Fuck you, I had this same feeling when the trailer for F4 came out. This game is gonna blow chunks out my rotten asscheeks.
>>172176651
then when the game comes out if you were right, gloat then. Quit being a little whiney bitch. Just look forward to the fact that smt isn't entirely dead yet.
>>172172343
Fuck you man, I've enjoyed Taro's games for ages. The commonality of people mentioning 2B's ass is declining and it's still a perfectly suitable mockery of the retards jerking off to flat Japanese women.
>>172176896
I will.
Screen-capped for prosperity
>>172176896
>>172177190
Don't we all like SMT here? You're gonna gloat if the game comes out and turns out to be bad just because you'll feel some sense of validation for your baseless claims, instead of being sad that our beloved series is going down the drain? What a weirdo.
Seek Mastema.
>>172177030
2B is so fucking boring I can't even fap to her.
>>172178083
After FINAL i just want to watch it burn bro : _)
>>172178491
You say that as if that's not what I've been doing for the past 7 years.
>>172178494
It's actually a very complex and creative design that can be written about extensively (much unlike Alex; Doi, you hack), although I don't think it was intended to be especially arousing from an artistic standpoint.
>>172178894
I meant her personality. Her design is fine I guess.
>>172164829
Literally Strange Journey 2deep4U
>>172179054
Has Taro ever written a good character?
>>172178894
There's a board for off-topic shit.
>>>/trash/
what will the localized title be
>>172174996
YHVH is God if Jesus never existed,
Since Jesus Absolved all of humanity's sins and allowed everyone a place on heaven if they repent, god didn't have to smite people like in the old days.
Old Testament god was just like that, he'd smite and grow angry as fuck just like that.
>>172180242
Strange Journey: Apocalypse
>>172180242
Shin Megami Tensei: Bizarre Adventure
>>172170162
The fact that she looks like somebody out of smt4 and isn't wearing a Demonica lets me know she's probably waifu bait she even has that owl companion with her
>>172180304
If Jesus never existed, how can Aleph and Minako exist?
>>172170558
>>172170672
>>172171131
Literally the same problem with american politics. The eternal war between Republicans (Fuck off, Government, we don't need you) and Democrats (Please, Government, solve all our problems).
I want to fuck Alex. Help.
>>172181079
Alex is a boy's name
>>172180242
Shin Megami Tensei: (Deep) Strange Journey; New Testament for Nintendo 3DS™
>>172180643
if they're the equivalent of jesus in the smt universe they always fail to absolve humanity's sins, since most times a law ending doesn't result in a spot where humanity can sin and still be forgiven.
if it lacks the freedom that we have to sin
then its not like how the actual church tells of how jesus absolved us all
>>172181117
So is Ashley. But look where we are now.
>>172180242
Shin Megami Tensei: Stranger Journey
Shin Megami Tensei: 2Deep4uJourney
>>172179449
ft. Goatse
>>172180242
DEEP strange journey
is a strong name don't even think it needs a renaming for west
What's so deep about SMT
Its kinda shallow
>>172180242
TMS: Strange Journey Deep
>>172181258
>since most times a law ending doesn't result in a spot where humanity can sin and still be forgiven.
>
>if it lacks the freedom that we have to sin
>then its not like how the actual church tells of how jesus absolved us all
whatever happened to that drawfag that was doing the strange journey doom cover?
I think now's the time to finish that.
>>172181602
He left for a field of flowers.
>>172181258
>since most times a law ending...
But the Law ending in SMT II is literally the best ending of all SMTs. Therefore confirming Aleph as the Jesus of his universe.
>>172181594
Hey man, that's what I learned anyway.
I don't mean to sound like a strong christian believer but that's what I've learned from living in a christian household for so long.
All is forgiven in heaven if you yourself repent for your sins on earth. That's the choice that humanity has as the church says it. If you take it that SMT's law side is heavily influenced by catholicism, especially with how cruel YHVH is, that he's based on the old testament God.
>>172182148
One exception among many failed attempts.
I sure as hell don't wanna stay on square buildings listening to Zelenin's Greatest Hits.
>>172182320
Unless you learned by memorizing, gimme a Cliffnotes version. I wasn't a good Catholic boy like you growing up.
What kind of waifus you want in the HD game brehs
I'm digging the new chick. Hope they don't go too young and innocent looking. Not my thing.
>>172183171
Demon waifus
>>172183171
Christmas cake or riot
>>172182705
Well, I guess you know at least a little about Jesus right? He died at the cross and was reborn in 3 days. When he came back he ascended to heaven and took his place as right hand of god, he absolved humanity's sins and gave us a chance ever since then.
That's how Catholicism tells it. That's when the New Testament starts. Before then comes All that shit with the Huge Flood, Noah, Moses and stuff. That's the old Testament where God would nuke a goddamn city because they fucked people in the ass and had large orgies. That's why someone who likes anal is called Sodomite, Sodom and Gomorrah that got Nuked.
I guess that's a quick version, not exactly respectful but I'm not exactly a christian, just grew up in a christian household.
>>172164829
Would you go on a strange journey DEEP in her ass?
>>172183261
So you meant to say that never happens in SMT.
Could have said that, my mom had a Spanish Bible in comic book format, I read all of that from there. Long since gone though, it was falling apart by the time I found it.
>>172183539
>her
Only if she turns out to be Van.
>>172183748
>Van
I don't understand this reference.
>>172183975
Google the Van Darkholme interview with DEEP DARK FANTASIES
>>172183171
where's isabeau?
>>172180242
Shin Megami Tensei: deeply disturbin' demonic dungeon diving
>>172183614
yeah, at least thats my hypothesis. SMT makes law and chaos be two extreme forms of those sides. Old Testament God was pretty extreme and fits way more into the role of YHVH.
>>172184157
Where she belongs. With her Samurai buddies.
>>172184374
Both Strange Journey and Devil Survivor 1 indicated that Ed Bighead was becoming a more benign God...well until fucking IV decided to shit on that.
>>172184563
IV is supposed to be like SMT, only Pascal makes her debut in IVF instead of IV.
Different universe theory works here.
>>172184703
Every sequel in the main series after II is basically set in a different universe, I'm aware of that much in the least here.
>>172184374
I love the SJ doppelganger. I hope they don't change his art style
>>172184563
whatever the fuck happens to her there anyway? was she raped or something?
>>172184804
>lucy is fake meme exists
Is it or is it not.
>>172184873
Bifrons said mean things to her
>>172184873
Didn't you pay attention to the story? Almost all of her crewmates on the other transport ship were murdered, tortured, or experimented on by the demons in Bootes because Mithra decided to be a dick.
>>172184972
Didn't Apocalypse say it was a fake?
>>172185074
>>172185071
its been a long while, played it back in 2009.
I remember the haflway point through really well, but bootes is a blur for me.
>>172185074
That Lucy was a fake? They said he was a pawn who keeps serving his purpose as a rebel but gets his memory wiped. He tries again every time earnestly, has a millenia of fun fucking Demi-fiend or Flynn and then it cycles back to a new start as if he never won the right to fug the Messiahs.
I disagree with the Starter Guide in the OP.
>Though [SH] is an easy game, it might feel dated for some
>In that case, try Strange Journey, which is a recent game
I strongly believe that SJ feels more dated than the 3DS port of Soul Hackers.
Give me all the Jimenez pictures you've got, guysIt's for a videoI could also use some pictures of Anthony
>>172186291
Honestly, all it would take for Zel and Jim to stop bickering is for them to hook up and hate-fuck their issues away. Would've saved a whole lot of time and unresolved sexual tension.
>>172186697
>not letting protagonist fuck Zelenin
>>172186291
Dumping what I've got.
Sequel to Soul Hackers when
Who did soul hackers 3ds art? I thought that was pretty good.
>>172186291
http://smtg.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=jimenez
>>172186821
>not double teaming the white blonde with your hermano
>>172186291
Anyone have that pic where Godly Shaddai covers Jimenez junk?
>>172188180
/ourboy/ doi
I'd really like to see some remixed songs from Strange Journey. The ideas behind the soundtrack were great, the DS didn't do sound well.
Should i play strange journey now or wait? Is deep ass a remake/enhanced port/semi-sequel? I just don't want to burn out on it if I play them so close together
>>172191619
Play it. I'd say you have at least a year before DSJ comes out, and SJ is god-tier.
>>172191619
wait dsj may be the definitive version i complete sj like last week and knowing this may have let me have fun i would wait and see maybe play sj if you have not competed noct, 4 and apoc
>>172191619
It's like Overclocked, Record Breaker, Golden, etc.
>tfw smt4 never got DEEP and DARK
>>172194147
what is this horseshit
>>172191619
play it so you can bitch about the changes on /smtg/
>>172170878
But the gun design is part of the problem.
>>172194191
SMT's deepest and most darkest fantasies
>>172194191
memes & spam
DEEP
DARK
PUSSY
TWISTED
BY
MY
MASTEMA
COCK
FOREVER
AND
EVER
SUCH
IS
Sorry to interrupt the shitposting but I finished my Jimenez meme for you guys I hope you like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_z7JJlMJE
>>172195489
what's the audio from
we're reaching levels of fedora tipping that shouldn't even be possible
>>172195786
This guy. He's a goldmine. I expected to have to source multiple videos but I got plenty out of just this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpcooaOasi8
>>172195489
He sounds like this guy
Would you guys really be OK with an SJ remaster?
>>172196665
Sure, why not? At this point, my 3DS is a dedicated Megami Tensei machine.
WHO IS THAT HOE IN THE OP
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPEN
>>172198378
Mine is Megaten and Monster Hunter
>>172196665
I don't mind getting more Strange Journey
>>172198557
SJ remake with added content/story, my man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSqWtB4PtO0
>>172180242
Shin Megami Tensei: Profound Strange Journey Featuring Dante From the Devil May Cry Series & Knuckles
You faggots are never happy about anything
MUH SMT IS RUINED
Fuck i should just be a Persona fan at least they can enjoy things even if it's shit
>remaking a game that nips dont like
why
>>172194147
>>172194854
>SMT x Taimanin Asagi
I would play this, but only if best girl Asagi fucks with the demons.
>>172199278
>remaking a game that nips dont like
>add waifu weeb shit to piss off the only audience that liked the original
Why indeed
>>172196665
I mean sure, I'm down.
>>172199212
If you wanted to enjoy a game, why pick SMT?
>>172199278
Why doesn't japan like Strange Journey?
>>172199752
Because it doesn't take place in Japan and not every single character is Japanese and not every single major deity in it is Japanese either
>>172199995
the last one is bullshit, they loved FINAL
>>172200167
Final has a japanese teenager become the single major diety
>>172200167
That might've been for other reasons
The 3DS is dead in the west there goes our chances of this getting localized. I've been holding off on wanting to play SJ for ages too.
DEEP is going to be what FINAL was to IV
Mark my words
>>172200589
they literally said it was a remake/enhanced port
Thing P4G, Overclocked etc not Final. Unless I'm being retarded and misreading what youre saying
So what ended up being the consensus on Apocalypse? I never finished it. Got halfway through YHVH's domain and realized I'd stopped having fun a long time ago.
I never really figured out how you guys felt about it once the dust had settled.
>>172200770
It's okay. I wish you could kill all your friends earlier in the game. Asahi is the only one worth keeping around.
Does this mean we will have more art? More Asherah art more.....Mastemaart?
The fanbase for Atlus has grown a bit lately. From reading other sites, pretty much no one seemed to have played Radiant Historia or SMT last gen. Just look at how the 3DS DeSu games sold vs the originals. No wonder Atlus love all these quick remakes/ports.
>>172200883
Navarre is good too. He was much better as a floating green butt.
>tfw you want to protect him after seeing his suffering but also want to bully
Alex looks like trash, only thing that's more out of place is Judge Zelenin. Let's get that out of the way and think of possible positives
>more demons and hopefully fixing 60-70 demon movesets and variety
>more subapps, maybe some are paid
>more optional background events with alignment heroes if you want to know them better
>bringing in the problem of the Schwarzveldt moving from Antarctica, items maybe drifting into different sectors and some demon is interested
>more side quests, hopefully more from Dent and demons in dungeons hopefully
>remastered battle theme and Eridanus
>bringing up relations of the sector bosses more, like say a rage plague infected individual appears in Bootes when you're looking round the torture chambers
>optional dungeons acting as EX ones from other games, Grus NG+ was ok but more was really needed
What do you want? What do you hope?
>>172201152
>art
>SMT
You're a funny man.
>>172164829
Is fusion for SMT1 the same for SMT2? Can i use the fusion chart from the first game?
>>172201513
I found Navarre to be extremely annoying just like the rest. Most of the time he didn't even add anything or say anything of substance, just the token comedy routine.
Only reason I could tolerate Asahi is because she reminds me of my little sister, and I love her unconditionally.
>Hear Soul Hackers is pretty good
>Get it on sale for $10
>It's just some shit game with a mid-90s art style
I've been meme'd
>>172202436
>i have shit taste and i am addicted to sucking cocks in motels
>>172202436
>Hear Soul Hackers is pretty good
Hahahaha.
I want to fuck Alex's big beautiful ass
>>172203127
she has a flat ass
>>172202886
Yeah, I guess it was just one autist. This guy >>172202789
I could have used that money to get a real game, like Devil Survivor 2
>decide to finally finish SJ
>used the fairy village to manipulate alignment and see all endings in one playthrough
>see that SJ enhanced remake is announced
Hmmm. Maybe I'll enjoy it more this time around.
Faster battles and a revamped mapping system would go a long way.
>>172203815
So, it's a bad game because it has 90s style art?
>>172203127
>big
Man why did they have to add another waifu to duel with the law chick?
>>172202436
>>172203815
>I've been meme'd
>could have used that money to get a real game, like Devil Survivor 2
Nah, the only meme going on is that shit-ass taste.
>>172204460
And the combat system is pretty clunky
We need an SMT game with the fourth art style in this image
>>172168784
How dare you speak of Isabeau like that
>>172170406
and yet #FE and p5 are both better than IV and IVA
>>172205283
From left to right:
>SMT
>Persona
>Raidou
>Demi Kids
>>172205283
Its called pokemon
Wow, these fucking demons won't even fucking obey me. Soul Hackers is SHIT
>>172165694
He's trying to pass as a slavlike his waifu zelenin
>>172206574
Try learning how the loyalty mechanic works for a change...
>>172175743
>PC
Nah.
>>172207174
I just started recently. This monkey in a goddamn diaper keeps fucking killing himself to do a tiny bit of healing
SJ anime WHEN
Now that SJ is mainstream trash, what should be my favorite SMT?
>>172209315
Soul Hackers, obviously. It's so trash it'll never be mainstream.
>>172209315
smt if
>>172209315
kyuuyaku
>>172209315
demi kids
>>172209315
Jack Bros
>>172209315
2 is the truest SMT
>>172200770
Should have been a third route where you side with Krishna
>>172201951
>Only reason I could tolerate Asahi is because she reminds me of my little sister, and I love her unconditionally.
That's really cute, anon. I wish I felt that way about my sister but instead she's just a cunt.
>>172213037
So there's no Salvation route? Aw
>>172164829
where did people get that Nocturne flopped?
or that DDS was supposed to be a trilogy?
>>172201951
>Only reason I could tolerate Asahi is because she reminds me of my little sister, and I love her unconditionally.
Bless you, Anon, you're too pure for this site.
>>172215991
Also the rumour that Okada left because of Nocturne?
Whats the face in the center supposed to be?
>>172216218
Loki.
Looks kinda like Bugaboo
I just don't understand the story around YHVH in Apocalypse. Steven and the Divine Powers say he "rules the universe", but he doesn't personally interact with the world in any way. Steven says he is impairing observation, but how and what does that mean? The DP say he turned all the other gods into false gods, but again what does that mean?
>>172216347
Ahh shit, never thought of that
>>172174519
There's plenty of semen demons left to acknowledge.
>>172180614
>>172170332
So you don't have anything other than assumptions, even though she's already confirmed to be someone hunting you down and thus you'll most likely have a choice to kill her.
>>172215991
>where did people get that Nocturne flopped?
Nocturne didn't flop, but Atlus did have far higher (unrealistic) sales expectations, IIRC.
>Searching by Eridanus makes TL feel fun, but I personally think that it is more serious for the group. Planner Watanabe Tatsuya who made such a grouse map is also in charge of maps even at Deep Strange Journey. In other words, do you understand? The map is also deep!
The map is also DEEP.
>>172213037
Technically Flynn is also Krishna since Krishna says he is the Kalki, the 10th avatar of Vishnu so you can side with Krishna if you side with Flynn.
Why did she lie?
>>172221575
Bad writing
>>172221575
Seriously. I went with kill everyone because I thought I could spare her because that line.
>>172222459
It would have been so perfect too. You wouldn't have to fight that dickhead with no partner.
so is Strange Journey still worth picking up?
ill probably get it after I finish Apocalypse
>>172221575
Better gameplay for worse writing
Is it a fair trade?
>>172223256
>so is Strange Journey still worth picking up?
No it's shit.
>>172223260
I have no idea why that line is even there. Why would she say that?
>>172221575
If she was still infected with Inna's essence she'd have sided with you.
>>172223527
She says this after Inanna's essence is gone.
>>172223587
I know that's the point. She'd have killed them all then sucked your cock with her bloody mouth.
>>172223867
So, Inanna is the true best girl?
>>172224175
Yes, she truly did nothing wrong.
The whole Cosmic Egg part just shows how hypocritical your so called friends are.
>>172225536
none of them even resist phys. I wish the proper bursting death animation would play after charge + hades blast
>tfw you realize you're just another bitch-ass messiah
How the fuck are you supposed to kill Minotaur on hard mode unless you have decently high magic? I'm doing a str/dex/ build
>>172227510
>str
>in vanilla 4
there's your mistake
>>172227510
End it thusly
>>172227510
Use your demons and Jonathan.
Can you all shut the fuck up about Alex's ass and DEEP and Final for once and talk about new 2 sec teaser of V?
>>172227510
>STR
Just reset the game.
So I decided I wanted to play other SMT games than Persona 3-4
Downloaded Nocturne
Matador sure is a lot of fun
I can't remember the last time a jrpg made me feel forced to grind.
>>172228219
>grinding
>>172228219
You are retarded.
>>172228219
>Grinding
>When this guy exist
Stop being a bitch ass Messiah
>>172216843
Unless she is secretly a demon there is no reason for her to be running around strange Journey without a demonica suit. Ally or not she's waif bait until I see otherwise.
Also Arthur best girl and the only waifu strange journey needed.
>>172215991
The author of the DDS script got sick and had to leave the project. Then someone else had to wrap up the plot into a single game due to low sales of the first.
>>172227510
With skill.
>>172228219
>personababbys cant into SMT
not surprising. use buffs retard
>>172227873
Uhh, it's cool I guess.
It seems like an apocalypse is going on, and perhaps (this is merely a conjecture of mine), there are demons involved.
>>172228786
She's gonna have magic powers.
Or maybe her Persona lets her tank hits without the need of armor.
>>172229307
You can say demons are involved, but I bet there's a twist like God himself being responsible for that level of desolation.
>>172227510
>Get a Leana Sidhe
>Grind untill level 15 and fuse a Jack Frost
>Reset if you get Walter as a Partner
>Spam Sukukaja and Sukunda (try to also give one to your MC)
Good luck Anon, Physical Builds are the most fun ones.
How does this board feel about Persona 5?
>>172164829
Any bets on who that demon on the background is?
>>172229894
It's Amon.
Based strictly on bants, Lucifer or Merkabah?
What's the best stat built for MTII.
>>172227703
>>172228035
>not being skilled enough to destroy everything with mere physical power
it's like you WANT the game to be super easy.
>>172229962
Cool. New design, right?
SMT x Metroid
>>172230576
your mum's pussy x my dick
>>172230470
Yep, by Doi.
It's almost fateful to the original myth, even if the huge crimson arms put me off a bit. Still a large improvement from Dagda.
>>172221412
He's saying that even though Eridanus is known for being "fun" that Grus is even more so, and the planner who did that sector is doing the maps for DEEP
>>172228384
I will not confirm or deny this.
>>172228445
Yeah I got that thing on my team and it went somewhat better. My plan for now is to see if I can make MC immune to force and see if I can get at least another force immune demon on my team with healing.
>>172229216
I haven't gotten many buffs on my demons yet.
>>172231232
kusoge confirmed
>>172229410
>magic
Is this slut replacing Arthur as the heroine?
Imagine there being the equivalent of FOEs in DSJ?
Would be nice.
>>172231284
She trivializes the fight since she has media and nulls force. There's also a magatama in the underpass that resist force.
>>172231390
Not a fan of Phase Shifts anon?
This tittle is so meme worthy Fatlus better not try to fuck it
SMT x Bloodborne
>>172227873
Its IV, though
How do I get my diaper monkey to not kill himself and how do I get my pixie to actually cast offensive magic in Soul Hackers? I'd really like to beat the first boss
>>172231480
Cool. I appreciate the help.
>>172229962
>>172230470
Do people know its amon or are they guessing?
>>172227873
All it shows to me is that they're actually taking advantage of Unreal Engine to create ART.
Trailer will probably come out some time in the fall on SMT1's anniversary
>>172231464
*for that route I should've said.
But yeah, imagine enemy patrols in Bootes and Jack's HQ, or a chase segment with an actually moving Horkos.
>>172231739
They will just add a sticker with "Featuring Alex from the SMT series"
>>172231480
She was really comfy to fight with for a good part of the game.
>>172232012
Get them drunk.
>>172200464
>The 3DS is dead in the west
Not really.
>>172230007
Merkabah, it's no contest.
Turns out SMTIV is incompatible with luma's n3ds clock speed option whereas apocalypse doesn't care, go figure.
At least i can close the lid again safe in the knowledge it's not going to freeze.
For the MC, is Magic as destructive in Apocalypse as it was in IV?
>>172229872
Haven't played it, but seems cool.
>>172233685
Even moreso.
But don't do MAG, do pure luck builds with lots of high crit rate attacks on Apocalypse for maximum memetic effects
>>172233685
you can't charge 6x Antichthons, but pretty much
you might hurt for slots if you want light/dark skills too
>>172221412
Yeah, the game would be absolute garbage if they made the maps empty hallways like IV's
>>172229472
And that you're gonna end up being the one to decide humanity's fate
>>172233894
Pure luck was recommended to me in IV too, but I just went MAG and AGI. I don't understand what makes pure luck great.
Wont I just be auto attacking?
Wouldn't it be better to go 3 luck and 1 agility?
>>172231540
>can't finish maps without NG+
REEEEEEEE
>>172170558
He literally offers you a chance to side with him and he rewards you by killing you.
He's a dick.
>>172234332
Pure luck isn't 'great'. You're not getting as much damage as if you were playing a phys or dex build and you're not going to be getting damage + press turns like if you run mag.
However its super satisfying. You'll basically never be hit and you'll be racking up tons of press turns. Pure luck + no demons in your party for basically all bosses is the most fun I've had in an SMT game
>>172184563
SJ didn't suggest squat. You have the word of YHVH, a deceiver, telling you that he will spare you just once if you aren't Law.
>>172236114
Go away Lucifer.
>>172184563
>>172236114
What do you mean becoming? These are all different universes. The yhvh in SJ and desu being slightly nicer doesn't carry over to other universes or imply that he changed. The one in that universe was just different from the beginning, and is a different iteration.
>>172185476
>>172185074
Lucy in IV/IVA is a different Lucy from other games. He's a scapegoat created by YHVH to make Law look good by comparison. A slave to his Law programming.
>>172236267
All of those universes are linked together in the Amala.
>>172166517
>>172166517
What did based Carmack do wrong?
>>172236103
Sounds fun. I think I'll give it a shot afterall
>>172236267
Fuck off retard
I'm going to take every opportunity to shit on Apoc and if you don't like that you're a casual mode waifu pandering nu-/peg/ crossgeneral shill who is LITERALLY the death of smt
what's the consensus on deep strange journey now?
>>172236461
What does that have to do with anything? They are still different universes in them, and the entities in them unless otherwise stated are distinct entities.
>>172236570
Ass is nice
>>172236557
You can shit on apocalypse plenty without claiming its violating some meta story that only exists in your fevered delusions.
>>172236604
What ass.
>>172236570
Hopefully less bullshit MA and level curve
>>172236570
Fuck Fatlus, fuck japanese people
>>172236570
I'm looking forward to seeing how the actual gameplay will be enhanced.
>>172236570
The worst game in the franchise
>>172236762
Anon, they're not changing the gameplay. They're rereleasing it to not have to make anything new. Enjoy edgy butt yukiko, shitty new portraits and voice acting. Its all you get.
>>172236557
You sound like an idiot.
This >>172236695 anon understands.
>>172236114
DeSu God is such a asshole how dare him being mad at humans for causing a huge demon infestation due their own retarded fears of God and preventing low tier Angels to murder everyone in the lockdown.
>>172236578
Its the same entities. They aren't different incarnations. Kagutsuchi whose one of YHVH's weakest avatars maintains the entire thing, YHVH himself as the Great Will does not change.
>>172237118
Literally, stop being retarded. You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>172237203
Literally, stop being retarded. You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>172237297
Literally, stop being retarded. You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>172237297
>le say the same words meme.
But no, really, you are retarded. Stop saying nonsense.
So uhh, I'm trying DeSu OC right now and the voices are kinda bad.
Are the Japanese ones any better or should I just not bother and continue playing the english version?
>>172237384
Literally, stop being retarded. You have no clue what you are talking about.
>>172237118
I'm not sure where you got this idea from but its overtly wrong. The only entity that is the same entity across the entire series is steven. They specifically contrasted him in this way since for others its not the case,
>>172237513
Same Ed Bighead indicated not only in SMT I and II but also Nocturne. Directly talks about the Great Will subtlety in SJ, haven't played Final but the gist of its also the same IV.
YHVH is always YHVH. Be it in the form of Metatron, Kagutsuchi, Demiurge, etc..Where are you getting this idea they are different entities altogether from?.
>>172237459
Yeah, the voice acting is the worst part of OC.
Some of the characters are ok though, like Karen Strassman is good as Amane.
>>172237885
*as izuna.
It's been a while since I played that
>>172237718
The fact that the game makes it clear that different universes have different versions of demons that are not related to eachother? I'm not sure where you get the idea that they are the same from. You seem to be basing this on the fact that they are incarnations of the same archetypal form. But that doesn't make them literally the absolute same entity. It would be a huge liability for there to only be one yhvh across every universe when its possible for humans to kill him. In every universe but one people would be suddenly surprised when he disappears by being killed in another one. The one in I and II being the same doesn't count since that's literally the same world.
I have no clue why you're talking about the great will, but that's unrealted. There is only one great will, since it is the infinite force pervading every world. But it is unique in that respect.
You seem to be assuming that there's some evidence for this that goes without saying. But what exactly are you trying to refer to?
>>172238074
>Great Will
>killed by humans
>>172238204
Did you respond to the right post?
>>172238243
Yes.
>>172237118
The Great Will is on another level than YHVH.
>>172238310
Then you must have severely misunderstood something, because it didn't say anything like that in it.
>>172238339
Wrong.
>>172238386
Wrong.
>>172238428
Wrong.
>>172238483
Double wrong.
>>172238428
Are you trying to depict what someone with autism would act like? You do know that yhvh is not the great will right? You admitted you didn't play iva, so you really should. Steven explains in it in a bit more detail what the great will is.
>>172238551
>You do know that YHVH is not the Great WIll right?
How do you shit up on the lore this much?
>>172238551
Different universe with a different canon
>>172238717
The Great Will/Axiom transcends universes. It's all the same canon.
>>172238551
>iva
>canon.
>>172238717
If it has a different canon it clearly doesn't have the same yhvh. Which was the point all along. It has its own yhvh and its own rules. But there is only one great will.
>>172238689
yhvh was never the great will. Assuming he was was a misconception born from nocturne's shitty writing. Even in nocturne that's not what they were getting at though.
>>172236570
Excited.
I want to see more information and hopefully an announcement of its localization before I begin to think too much of it, but I still look forward to it.
>>172238843
Forgot about this argument over YHVH being the Great Will, the Axiom isn't part of either.
>>172238928
>Even in Nocturne that's not what they were getting at though.
Thanks for proving you never played Nocturne.
>>172238908
The yellow floating head will always be my God. Everyone else is a pretender.
At what point should I save in Strange Journey so that I can return to Fairy Village to get all endings in one run?
When's the cut-off point?
>>172239015
You are reminding me why serious discussions about lore don't happen on smtg.
Autism aside, they explain what the great will was meant to be in iva and the interview for iva. And looking at the series in retrospect its obvious that this is what it was all along. The reason nocturne's shitty meta plot was never expanded on, and also didn't exist in the base game was because it only existed to give more reason for the bonus area. The great will in the original games was never meant to be yhvh. Yhvh talking about it resurrecting him wasn't about his special relation to it but just a statement about where demons come from in general. All demons are born from the great will based on human thoughts. Lucifer actually has a similar line in II that peopel forget about. yhvh's only special relation to the great will is that as a "great god" that presides over an entire world, he and it are conflated together since it is an omnipresent world soul. The interview for iva explains this, and how by conflating himself with the universal "god" he invents monotheism, and it gets worshipped.
>>172239559
The beginning of sector H is when alignment gets locked.
>>172239559
If you're neutral when you reach gore you can take all the endings anyways I'm pretty sure.
>>172164829
I want myhandto make a Deep Strange Journey into Alex' dripping wethandfolds
>>172239604
Any idiot that thinks YHVH isn't the Great Will don't deserve to talk about lore in the first place. Your shitty attempt at ad hominems aside, the Axiom is entirely separate from both of those things.
>>172240818
Anon, if you're going to shitpost at least try to say something believable.
>>172240893
>can't give a rebuttal
>calls another a shitposter
Sasuga autism.
>>172240818
The fuck are you talking about. The axiom is very definitely the great will. Its presence in the plot is overtly meant to be identical to that of II.
>>172240993
You're saying incorrect facts with no support. There's no rebuttal necessary since you didn't support your random brain farts in the first place.
>>172241038
No.
Axiom = 大いなる理 (Great Reason)
Which is never how the Great Will is ever referred to as: 宇宙の大いなる意志
>>172241156
Try again, kiddo.
DSJ needs a sector that is a reflection of mankind's lust for shitposting
>>172240818
>the axiom is separate
No, it is not. Read the dialogue where Stephen and the Goddess of Tokyo tell you what the Axiom is. It is more or less described as a higher being above YHVH that YHVH serves as an avatar from, which is what the Great Will was always meant to be.
The developers have confirmed that the Great Will put YHVH in charge of creating a multiverse while the Will created humans, YHVH became a power hungry asshole at some point and began to use humans as more of a plaything, and Stephen has worked together with several important people like Aleph or Nanashi that the Will made to tell him to fuck off and leave humans alone.
>>172241303
>>172241240
They are not only never conflated with each other, but never treated as the same. See
大いなる理 vs 宇宙の大いなる意志
>>172241240
Not sure if you're trying to be stupid on purpose, but the great will has been referred to differently in japan in every mainline game. Using different terms doesn't make it a different thing. Especially when you know, plot wise it is identical and in general is referred to as the single unique infinite thing that spans every world.
Shifting from something that signifies it being like a world soul to something that implies it being like the laws of the universe just highlights different aspects of it. Its like how the different alignments all have pantheistic aspects but use different terms for it to highlight different aspects to distinguish themselves from eachother.
>>172241302
This
>>172241464
Not sure if you are legitimately mentally handicapped or not, or simply very very stupid. They are two entirely separate forces and entities altogether.
They talk about the Great Will in SMT I, in II, in III, in SJ, and in IV and IV - A. Axiom is entirely separate which is why they are treated differently as well in IV - A. Stop making up your head canon bullshit and treating it as valid.
>>172241303
You're right that the axiom and great will are the same thing but yhvh was not in charge of making a multiverse. Read the interview. Humans existed before any gods, and yhvh was just another god made by them. He just happens to represent an idea that allows him to become a monotheistic type god and take the power for himself. Which doesn't inherently imply being a jerkass but explains why he became one.In SJ he even talks about how he trampled the old gods. And in iva they mention the same. The entire series is filled with references to how he took power.
>>172241464
Great Will and Great Reason are not the same thing. The Great Reason/Axiom is never even brought up before once in any MegaTen game much less mainline SMT before Apocalypse/Final. This is as stupid as fags I know believing Brahman is bigger then Ed Bighead because he was introduced as a one-shot big timer in DDS.
>>172241574
Do you have actual autism? They aren't treated differently. The axoim in iva is described identically to the great will.
To prevent you from saying more retardation, please explain at what point in the game you think the axiom is distinguished from how the great will is referred to in say II. Nevermind the fact that
>>172241574
The Axiom is not even talked about until IV:A dumbass.
>they are treated different as well in IV - A
Do you have ingame dialogue that confirms this?
>>172165193
They need samurai pants for that.
>>172241656
>Axion and great will are the same thing.
No they aren't.
>>172241809
Are you incapable of reading comprehension? These are not the same: 大いなる理 vs 宇宙の大いなる意志. The Great Reason does NOT fulfill the same roles as the Great Will, they are two entirely separate things altogether.
>>172241754
>The Great Reason/Axiom is never even brought up before once in any MegaTen game
Yeah it was. Because its the great will you retard. Its description in iva makes that clear, since in iva it is specifically described primarily as 1: a universal force of reality that gives rise to it and more importantly 2: what makes observation work. When is the great will mentioned in II? Oh right. When yhvh says that it is what makes observation work, and so what he will be born again from.
>>172164980
Have these two whores even played any of the games?
>>172241809
>The Axiom is not even talked about until IV: A dumbass.
That's what he said.
>>172241574
>Aximon is entirely separate which is why they are treated differently as well in IV - A.
That line makes no admission to the Axiom being brought up prior to Apoclaypse.
>>172241947
No, it does not. Stop projecting your fanon into this. The Great Reason does nothing like the Great Will.
>>172241903
So in other words no. Please provide a real thing that distinguishes them. Not just re-stating that they are referred to using a different name.
>>172241903
No, that's not what I asked you, dumbass.
I asked, is there in-game dialogue that shows that the Axiom is treated separate to the Great Will in IV: A, because that's what you claimed in your post. I'm not talking about translations or names. I'm talking characters treating the Axiom as a separate being from the Will.
>>172241947
>Yeah it was.
No it wasn't you faggot aspie. They have entirely separate natures, depictions, and treatment as well as names.
Try again.
>>172242114
I asked for proof of the Great Reason being the same as the Great Will. You have provided nothing. Give me proof indicating otherwise or concede.
>>172242064
>The Great Reason does nothing like the Great Will
>>172242084
>>172242210
>>172241459
Try again.
>>172242194
>They have entirely separate natures, depictions, and treatment as well as names.
You mean they are the exact same. Lets go over it
1: they are both described as the universal force that gives rise to reality / the multiverse
2: they are both described as the force behind observation that gives birth to demons and gods.
3: they are both described as being behind the cycle of reincarnation.
4: they are both described as the highest / most primal / ultimate reality.
Nothing distinguishes them at all. You have provided nothing thus far. Provide at least a shred of an argument or go away.
>>172242194
No, the burden of proof falls on you since the view that YHVH not being the Will / the Axiom is the Will is widely held by the developers and the SMT community, and you're contesting that. I am asking you to give me actual evidence where they treat the Axiom as separate from the Will, and you've dodged the question three times now.
And no, translations are not sufficient arguments.
>>172242371
>They are both described as the universal force.
So is every other cosmic entity in MegaTen.
>They are both described as the force behind observation
Nothing is ever mentioned of this till Final/Apocalypse for the Axiom/Great Reason. So no.
>They are both described as beign behind the cycle of reincarnation.
So is every other cosmic entity in MegaTen. Mem Aleph could do it as well, as well as the Kagutsuchis.
>They are both described as the highest/most primal/ultimate reality.
Two absolutes are impossible to rationalize with each other. Demiurge has the same thing going for him. Not buying it.
Great Will is not the same as the Great Reason.
>>172242458
No, the burden of proof falls on you to prove your claim. Their very natures conflict as well as names having immense importance in Japanese media to denote a character or entity's roles and purposes.
Try again.
>people arguing about something from IV - Final/Apocalypse as if its canon
>>172241302
"You humans oft blame us... But it was none other than humans who perfected the art of shitposting!"
>>172242858
Reminder Tadano-kun canonically fucks demonfus to prevent Anthony from ruining them.
>>172242764
You're such a funny guy, anon.
>>172242980
I bet you have huge guts, anon.
>>172242594
>So is every other cosmic entity in MegaTen.
Uh... no? Some entities are described as if they are universal in their universe. Not literally the force behind reality and the multiverse in general.
>Nothing is ever mentioned of this till Final/Apocalypse for the Axiom/Great Reason. So no.
Not sure if you are trying to be stupid on purpose again, but when yhvh dies he specifically references that he will be born again from the great will -if humans want it-. The great will is the one empowering the wishes of humans into gods in this sentence, not making its own decisions. This is identical to how observation is later described, no matter how much you twist it.
>So is every other cosmic entity in MegaTen. Mem Aleph could do it as well, as well as the Kagutsuchis.
Reincarnation of humans, not worlds. In nocturne it says reincarnation is ordained by the great will. In iva steven calls it a law of the axiom. And krishna calls it -an- axiom. Which may be a play on words, or may be deliberate.
>Two absolutes are impossible to rationalize with each other. Demiurge has the same thing going for him. Not buying it.
This is basically a word salad followed by an irrelevant reference to demiurge.
>No, the burden of proof falls on you to prove your claim. Their very natures conflict as well as names having immense importance in Japanese media to denote a character or entity's roles and purposes.
The term great will comes from the book an inquiry into the good. It is a book that uses multiple terms for the same universal force. Not only that, referring to the ultimate source of reality by different names comes from kabbalah. In kabbalah god has no true name, since its true self can only be known by itself. Its different titles designate things it does. This is likely why the great will is referred to differently in each mainline game.
>>172242594
>so is every other cosmic entity
Stephen and the Goddess state the Axiom is well beyond everything, including YHVH. Same is said for the Will in Nocturne. No other entity has this sort of title heaped upon them.
>nothing is ever mentioned of this
It is described exactly that way in SMT2 and Nocturne.
>so is every other cosmic entity
You're fucking retarded. Kagatsuchi was behind the cycle of reincarnation because the Will put him there. And it's referenced in Apoc.
>two absolutes are impossible to rationalize
...yeah, that's cuz they're the same thing.
>prove your claim
You're the one saying shit that no one agrees with buddy, don't you think you're in a bad position and you should start pulling out your own proofs?
>Their very natures conflict as well as names having immense importance in Japanese media to denote a character or entity's roles and purposes.
lol
>>172243154
>Uh...no?
This line alone makes me realize its worthless talking to a brick wall who has no clue about anything MegaTen. Neato.
Hoy
>>172242594
>No, the burden of proof falls on you to prove your claim. Their very natures conflict as well as names having immense importance in Japanese media to denote a character or entity's roles and purposes.
Your argument is that you have no argument, but apparently insist that someone else has less than none. What number is less than zero? Since its obvious that the other argument has already been supplied we are going to just declare you the loser unless you at least provide one. Since you insist thier natures are different, you should be able to come up with something at least, no?
I'm the guy from earlier that got stuck on matador.
He went down hard after I ended up grinding for two hours while watching Arrested Developement. Now I can go to bed as a winner.
>>172242594
Are you jarinjove or beltanecrisis? No one else has this level of autism.
>>172242594
>No, the burden of proof falls on you to prove your claim. Their very natures conflict as well as names having immense importance in Japanese media to denote a character or entity's roles and purposes.
Look, all I'm asking you to do is just answer my question. Just please provide (or don't since there is none) in game text that shows they treat the Axiom and the Will separately.
I don't care about their denotations, or their natures, or whatever. I'm literally just asking you to answer a question that you've wriggled out of four times now. Is it so hard?
>>172243280
>>172243409
Are you dyslexic? Mentally handicapped in some form maybe? You repeatedly stone-walling isn't going to hand wave away proof I already posted.
>>172243479
Show me proof they are treated as the same. Their names, their origins, and their entire denotations are separated for a reason to indicate they are not the same.
>>172243489
I'm going to take that as a yes. Get mental help, pls. Your word salads about games you don't understand might make sense in your own mind, but they have nothing to do with the actual games.
>>172243245
Ahoy hoy?
>>172243691
I'm going to take that as a no. Get mental help, pls. Your autism and incapacity to have more then enough neurons in that tiny pea-brain firing off to understand simple concepts beyond what's explicitly made clear to you is almost amazing.
You should however honestly get rehabilitated. That's the least you can do given you can't follow simple transcendent concepts in a fucking vietnamese video game series after all, which is pretty damning.
>>172243687
Is this some kind of trolling attempt? Multiple people showed you the similarities already.
Maybe you're not convinced by that. You should be, since its obvious to everyone that the point atlus was getting at was to show that it was the same thing. But that -doesn't even matter.- An unconvincing argument is better than none. So even by your own recounting it is
you: zero argument
everyone else: an argument you say is imperfect.
So you are currently losing. Your sperg won't change that. Provide a real argument or go away.
>>172243959
I'm not buying the words of a piss-ant who can't into conceptualization or even can't understand how the burden of proof works. You lost this argument, faggot.
>>172243687
>for a reason
Okay, that's nice and all. But I would like to see actual canon evidence that shows this "reason".
I will admit that the Great Will is not the Axiom if you provide just one bit of ingame evidence that they're different. Even though they are both described as the ultimate pervading force in the multiverse, even though the developers have all but said they are the same, I will believe a random shitposter on 4chan if you can just give me evidence. I am begging you at this point to answer my question. Just humor me, even though for some retarded reason the burden of proof falls on me. You can even hack the text, I'll probably never know.
>>172244069
>You lost this argument, faggot.
Well no, because 1: I'm clearly right, and 2: anyone who reads it is going to see you providing no argument other than "its spelled different" for like five posts in a row. If this was debate class you'd be lucky to get a D minus.
>>172244095
Axiom = 大いなる理 (Great Reason)
Which is never how the Great Will is ever referred to as: 宇宙の大いなる意志
>>172244160
>Well no
Well yes.
>I'm clearly right.
Wrong.
Sudoku yourself with haste.
>le The Great Will is YHVH
Ohayo, /smtg/, what the fuck is happening, is /pg/ leaking here again or something?
>>172244069
Sorry beltanecrisis/jarinjove. You lost. Burn some incense unto the beadman for forgiveness and maybe we'll let you back into the cool kids club.
>>172244198
Just this >>172244160 fag being a moron ad naseum.
>>172244289
I don't go on your gay websites to know who those are but the awful attempt at trying to poison the well insisting I am is really terrible. Try harder with the shitposts.
>>172244095
Just stop replying to him, dumbass. He's clearly retarded.
>>172244410
We really need some mods here to clear out blatant autismposting.
>>172244198
>filename
>post content
4/5 bait
>>172244289
>Beltanecrisis/Jarinjove
I've been in this general on and off the last couple years and I've only seen these names mentioned once before. Is this like the dumb spic meme in the /fgo/ threads with Jetfag vs Gilfag or something?
>>172244492
>>172244410
>>172244289
>>172244195
You three/four are all equally bad tbqh, senpai.
>>172244160
No. I did not ask for you to pull the translations out of your ass again.
I have asked, for the SIXTH time in a row now, for you to give me a screenshot of text from the game, or from the game's script, saying that the Great Will is not the Axiom. Show me in-GAME evidence where it says the two are different. Not translations.
Even if it's something as simple as:
[from SMTIV:A's script]:
[Demifiend]: Oh by the way, Stephen, is this Axiom guy like the same as the Great Will fucker I'm supposed to kill?
[Stephen]: No.
[end]
I'd take that. I'd even believe it even if it was clearly fake.
Just please, PLEASE answer my question.
>>172244095
This is the most annoying part. We're literally asking him to explain himself, and instead of doing so he responds with yet another sperg. This seems too legitimately retarded to be trolling.
>>172244545
>>172244626
>14:45:43
>14:46:43
Here's the (You).
>>172244626
No, bro, don't you know WE'RE supposed to prove ourselves even though it's been basically confirmed at this point? We're obviously in the wrong.
>>172244545
You replied to the wrong post. I'm on your side, retard.
>>172244760
Yeah, meant to reply to >>172244195. My bad.
This thread is getting too DEEP for me
>>172244545
I asked you for evidence of why they are named and treated differently and you instead of giving me any proof they are the same, repeat yourself ad naseum saying I have to prove more evidence that they are different.
You clearly do not understand how burden of proof works and if you keep that up I'll simply repeat this reiteration as many times as possible until it hammers in your head that point.
Nyx is YHVH.
You're retarded if you think otherwise.
>>172244861
Oh shit, I don't have a screenshot that specifically says Nyx isn't YHVH so I guess you're right.
I am YHVH and I demand that all of you shut the fuck up.
>>172244861
How can Nyx be YHVH if shadows aren't real?
Yu Narukami is Axiom.
You can not dispute this.
Can we go back to normal demonfu discussion, or some other shit intead of this cancer?
>>172244715
I bet she's a demon in the sack
>>172244856
Here's the funny thing about that statement. You haven't provided any actual proof that they are different (they are treated very much the same so I don't know what the fuck you mean there and being named differently barely means anything).
Now, if you had ingame text to cite to base your argument off of, then I'd be much happier and I'd be willing to reconcile.
Do you realize how much easier this would be if you just gave me that ingame text where the Great Will and Axiom were said to be different? Fighting is pointless, don't you think?
>>172244958
kek
Can we go back to discussing why IV and IVAfags are a cancer like normal?
>>172245147
Do you faggots really hate IV as much as you make others believe you are?
when /smtg/ is dead people wish for it to blossom again
when /smtg/ blossoms people wish that it were dead again
>>172245206
No, IV was great.
>>172245094
I asked you for evidence of why they are named and treated differently and you instead of giving me any proof they are the same, repeat yourself ad naseum saying I have to prove more evidence that they are different.
You clearly do not understand how burden of proof works and if you keep that up I'll simply repeat this reiteration as many times as possible until it hammers in your head that point.
>>172245206
IV is okay at best.
IV Apocalypse is absolutely garbage.
>>172165694
He's hiding the fact that he's balding.
>>172244540
To give you a serious answer they are two notoriously shitty posters who showed up on a few different megaten forums who all buzzwords aside come off like they have legitimate autism. They will start arguments with people, some of whom don't even give a shit about the story, about the most bizarre nonsensical details using random unrelated things as evidence, lose the arguments, then insist they won, which is probably why people are insisting that this poster is one of them. They have a bad reputation since wherever they go they turn the entire forum against them by shitting all over everyone at once, then getting confused when they are treated badly.
So far we know they are on or have been on gamefaqs / reddit / random shitty facebook megaten groups / they even get in arguments on eirikrjs' blog. Since they dip their toes into every megaten forum people assume that they are here or came here at some point too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/5skeqm/how_many_of_you_understand_what_the_angels_mean/
This is one of the most spergy posts he made. He literally rants about christianity for like ten paragraphs and tries to use his hatred of christianity as an argument for what the law side is about in game. Also he legitimately seems to think that like 90% of megaten fans prefer law. He has a weird hateboner for beadman and his lackeys.
IV has the best soundtrack, followed by I(SNES).
>>172245206
>Do you faggots really hate IV as much as you make others believe you are?
I do at the very least.
I want a Decarabia pillow
>>172245291
Here's the funny thing about that statement. You haven't provided any actual proof that they are different (they are treated very much the same so I don't know what the fuck you mean there and being named differently barely means anything).
Now, if you had ingame text to cite to base your argument off of, then I'd be much happier and I'd be willing to reconcile.
Do you realize how much easier this would be if you just gave me that ingame text where the Great Will and Axiom were said to be different? Fighting is pointless, don't you think?
>>172245206
IV is absolute garbage
IV:A is okay at best
>>172245405
>no remake with Koduka arrangements
fuck you SEGA
>>172245381
They seem to completely misinterpret Law to be a Neutral-Chaos world, of all things. I'll just list the myths and add in the facts using the actual Bible so you have a clear understanding of just exactly what world you're supporting:
What am I even reading?
>>172245540
I asked you for evidence of why they are named and treated differently and you instead of giving me any proof they are the same, repeat yourself ad naseum saying I have to prove more evidence that they are different.
You clearly do not understand how burden of proof works and if you keep that up I'll simply repeat this reiteration as many times as possible until it hammers in your head that point.
>>172245639
Oops. The first part was supposed to be in greentext.
>>172245468
You're gay.
I can understand your dissatisfaction about lack of dungeoncrawling, but you're so fucking gay holy shit how can you be so gay?
>>172245540
You're right about Axiom, but your hate towards original IV and love towards Final makes you a total FAGGOT.
Man, this place is so homo.
>>172245694
Look....buddy.
Just...give me the ingame evidence.
It's really just as simple as that. I'm not asking for a lot, it's just a quick Google search on your part.
If you can do that, then you prove beyond a doubt that the Axiom and Great Will are not the same and this argument ends. It needs to end.
I don't even care about burdens of proof anymore. Just please, all I want is that evidence.
>>172244069
You are beyond retarded.
>>172245561
>they're making a remake for a 2009 game instead of the games that could actually benefit from one
What were they thinking?
>>172245381
>people giving him a solid arguments to counter
>'nah, you're that shitposter from gamefaqs!!'
Woah how clever.
>>172245897
I already did, faggot.
>>172245381
>He has a weird hateboner for beadman and his lackeys.
Wait, what? Beadman still exists? Lackeys?
>>172246025
What?
>>172246052
No, you gave me translations.
Give me a screenshot. Give me a few lines from the script. SOMETHING tangible. Come on. You've basically won your argument...I'm just asking for this one little last push.
>>172246181
Gomen-gomen, I read your post with my asshole.
>>172246209
>You've basically won your argument...
Don't encourage him. I don't think this user can understand sarcasm.
>>172246308
>I read your post with my asshole.
>>172202436
It's worth it just for the demon negotiation.
>>172245291
>I asked you for evidence of why they are named and treated differently and you instead of giving me any proof they are the same,
He told you that yhvh does not have a singular name because in Kabbalah lore there is no true name but the one YHVH himself knows. All the names we see our names given to different aspects with functions of yhvh which is concurrent with what happens in shin Megami tensei 2. So now that he has answered your question are you going to answer his?
>>172202436
Soul Hackers is only good for the music and Nemissa is hot.
Dungeons are ok, but the combat is the post SMT2 period garbage where they have to have every feature in the world in the game and if you abuse even one of them the game is piss easy.
>>172246796
We were talking about the great will though. And that was me, not the other poster.
Note this names of god thing also shows up more directly in megaten. The reason all the avatars of god are different names of god like shaddai sabaoth elohim ancient of days, etc is a reference to this kabbalah thing.
I don't even know what you people are talking about anymore.
>>172245087
She's the Queen of the Fairies. Those fuckers are the dictionary definition for "nymphomaniac".
>>172246973
>We were talking about the great will though. And that was me, not the other poster.
I do not care who is who. my point is if there are different names for different avatars why is the Great will not another aspect? One that is unique to the smt cosmology? References to Kabbalah lorr are fine but if I were willing to accept that there are different entities are the same much in the way that Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God are supposed to be one thenx the great will can easily be accepted as an aspect of yhvh.
The games seem to agree with this interpretation unless you have evidence otherwise
>>172247201
We're talking about my ass.
>>172247358
It's a nice ass.
Why does soul hackers have such an outdated battle system? Is it a remake of some game from the 1990s?
>>172247463
Yes.
>>172247416
Thank you.
Now, give me a Life Stone.
>>172247531
I refuse.
>>172247463
Yes
>>172247512
>>172247643
That explains a lot. It's pretty jarring, going from a modern game like SMTIV:A to this shit.
>>172247641
I see.
Now, give me 5 Bead Chain.
>>172247790
Sure, here you go.
>>172247757
Toughen up, kid
>>172246209
I gave more then that.
>>172247857
Thanks sucker.
>>172247790
>>172247757
Don't judge all old megaten games based on that.
There was a period when they overloaded the game system with dumb shit (Devil Summoner 1, Soul Hackers and Persona 1).
SMT1/2 are actually way smoother experiences because they didn't have this and in Persona 2 they started to tone this down.
They aren't adding save anywhere, right?
>>172247962
SMT1 is not a smooth experience at all, don't lie.
>>172176132
>big black dude
Ubergestalt, not just some dude
>>172248067
It was for me. Way smoother than SH.
>>172248062
They are.
>>172248115
>SJ remake is more casual than a Persona spinoff
lmao
>>172248113
Those games are painfully slow to play. The 3DS version of SH is much better than SMT I and II.
>>172248316
Geez, it's not like you can simply choose to don't use it or anything.
>Muh minimalism
>Muh atmosphere
>it's actually lack of budget
Nocturnals
>>172248514
Guess we just have different ways of playing.
I enjoy figuring games out, exploring everything, recruiting everyone and fusing the most powerful demons I can get and doing that in SMT1 was way more straight forward than in SH.
I guess if you try to beat both games by autobattle derping your way through then sure, SH might be easier.
>>172248316
Is Persona the SMT of SMT now?
>>172248672
>every person is a boring ghost because atlus couldn't be assed to model people
>>172248316
A) Who are you quoting?
B) I'm know I'm responding to bait here but most Persona casuals would have severe if not extreme difficulty in dealing with the dungeon crawling in SJ or other EO type games.
C) So how is it casual?
>>172248115
Where?What's the point? it's not like the more open IV and sort of benefits being small enough dungeons, how will they use terminals now I wonder?
>>172249256
>B) I'm know I'm responding to bait here but most Persona casuals would have severe if not extreme difficulty in dealing with the dungeon crawling in SJ or other EO type games.
You do realize that the picture I posted is from a Persona game that is pretty much an EO clone?
>>172246972
Why would you go for generic "friend possessed by demon" #5939503 when you have an army of goddesses and demonesses ripe for the taking?
>>172216087
That really makes no sense because at that point Okada was just a Producer, and he still produced DDS after that. He hadn't directed a game since Soul Hackers in '99
>>172249543
Which Persona game is that?
>>172248731
>doing that in SMT1 was way more straight forward than in SH
In what way? SH has much faster navigation and battles, better negotiations, the fusions are basically the same. And don't pretend you can't basically beat every encounter by zapping and charming things to death.
Under what criteria does SMT is somehow better than a game that was built with almost the same core mechanics? You could argue about characters, story, and maybe dungeons, but otherwise SH simply plays like a faster and more refined SMT.
>>172249718
Persona Q.
DEEP NEUTRAL CONFIRMED
>>172249794
Weren't they noted as being middling tier compared to the harder areas in SJ?
>>172249860
Wasn't Strange Journey always HUMANITY FUCK YEAH?
>>172249543
That doesn't change anything.
>>172249860
When will the Neutral meme end?
>>172249860
The power of observation
>>172249948
Now we get waifu with humanity fuck yeah.
Hell it could be humanity fuck yeah while reseting the world.
>>172249948
Well there is nothing on the level of sector E or G but the game is still fun.
>>172249994
How is it a meme when Strange Journey literally has its best ending being Neutral route ending or its development and build up with Gore and Arthur vs how Jimenez and Zelenin end up?
>>172250217
Sector H is harder then either Sectors E or G.
>>172248672
muh same plot over and over in every game.
ITs not even a lack of budget. Its just pure laziness.
>>172249963
This world is beyond salvation
>>172250332
The meme is Atlus pretending they give a shit about routes other than Neutral.
May as well not give us a choice in future games. Or just make it 3 Neutral endings.
>>172249543
Regards, P1 player
>>172250521
there's plenty of fun chaos and law routes through the series
>>172249256
>most Persona casuals
Most Persona fans are also SMT fans and vice versa.
>>172247757
Have you learned the loyalty system?
If you don't learn early it'll bite you in the ass later on.
>>172249963
>unfairly difficult
>it's like the older games
>more than 20 hours for a single game is overkill
>it's SMT+EO, two of the most bullshit series
Oh god.
Has the EO general ever seen this? i'd be afraid to show it to them if they're not waifuposting ricky/arianna
>>172249256
>B) I'm know I'm responding to bait here but most Persona casuals would have severe if not extreme difficulty in dealing with the dungeon crawling in SJ or other EO type games.
I swear persona games generally don't have manual saving in the case of P3 and 4 in dungeons without save spots? Remind me if wrong.
I mean SJ's bullshit is only seen with boss fights and assholish design at times. Save spots aren't spread out too far.
>>172251392
>most people who play the Persona games for the gameplay are SMT fans and vice versa
The only people who don't play both are waifufags, girls and 15yos who think they are too cool to play persona.
>>172251392
I disagree. Most SMT fans are Persona fans, but a lot of Persona fans haven't touched SMT.
>>172249272
Probably in a similar way to how it was used in IV.
I'll bet that they've also merged terminals and healing stations into one room, seeing as how almost every terminal in SJ has one next to it.
>>172251392
Hahaha no they are not. Fatluses are harder to come by then you'd think, friendo.
Several SMTfags hate all the teen drama angst shit in Persona and call it gutted soulless anime trash - most Personafags laugh at SMTfags for being the inferior selling franchise and call them edgy and tryhard. You're more likely to see people who have played SMT get into Persona, though, and very rarely the other way around.
>>172251581
this, dungeon design in SJ isn't too bad to work around, it's mostly just retarded shit like ouroboros that turns people off
The only great SMTs are Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga desu
Strange Journey's good too
>>172251808
Almost everyone who I know started with Persona 3 and 4 and went on to play SJ, IV, and IVF later. A few started playing the earlier games too, but everyone's pretty excited for Persona 5 currently.
Wait, what are the chances that the Switch game isn't SMT V and it's just another enahnced port or remake?
>>172250780
There is, but atlus has always treated them like bad routes. At this point they're acting like they're not even going to make them real routes anymore.
>>172251808
>You're more likely to see people who have played SMT get into Persona, though, and very rarely the other way around.
Persona 3 got me into the franchise for good and since then I've played pretty much every game with an english translation. And I loved them all. I don't know why, there is something very endearing about SMT.
>>172251924
Yes, DeSu is pretty great
>>172252175
I doubt they would use UE4 for a remake of all things
>>172252175
Doubt it. It'll just be heavily influenced by Nocturne, like how IV was influenced by I and IV: A by II.
>>172252241
Chaos/Naoya route is pretty much the intended route in DeSu.
>>172249963
Only asking here because EOgen gets into a thread-long war every time anything slightly off topic is brought up.
As someone who really enjoys EO, Soul Hackers, and Strange Journey, but has only played Persona 2, is Persona Q a good dungeon crawler or is it insulting to those other games?
>>172251924
SJ and DDS are not a copypaste of Nocturne, so they're bad.
And Nocturne is too different to other games, so it's bad too.
This is according to the fanbase of course.
>>172252419
nice one, m8.
>>172252175
>SMTI remake
>They add saving anywhere, make it a high school setting, and add social links
>>172252106
That's good to hear.
From what I've seen of my friends though there were 3 camps concerning megaten. People who played nocturne and went on to play SH and smt1 and 2 and hated everyone else, people who played 4, desu1 and 2, then went on to persona (never touched nocturne, strange journey, or anything before them), and then the personafags that would laugh at anybody they saw playing smt.and nobody ever touched EO.
I've been the only true fatlus I know personally. I don't know if that's fulfilling or saddening
Every megaten is good and great.
Except Final. Final is absolute trash.
>>172252427
persona q is easier than eo4, which is the easiest game in the eo series. it's also harder than any persona games and a few of the more modern smt games. so it's in a weird place, not sure exactly who it's supposed to cater to.
in any case, it's still a really fun game with nice visuals, good OST, etc. I wouldn't go into it with the mindset of "is this faithful to the series it's coming from".
>>172252571
>Midway through the school year the coup happens, neighbour kidnapped, you arrested
>game procedes as usual
I'd buy it
gale is best smt desu
>>172252358
IV was influenced by I? the more you know.
>>172252801
EO difficulty is absolutely retarded though at least for EO1.
The classes are nowhere near balanced and you have no chance of making a smart decision on which classes/skills you pick except trial and error.
SJ is the worst mainline, so I'm glad they're remaking it.
>>172252427
PQ is easy to cheese, it has one really bad dungeon and one which I found to be quite annoying because it forces you to exclusively use that one cheese tactic.
But underneath all that there is afungame with solid aesthetics and OST, entertaining dungeons, and a battle system which is a nice and interesting hybrid of Persona and EO.
It is basically EO lite.
>>172252175
There's no reason why they would give such a focus to new Odin if it wasn't a new game.
>>172253147
I wouldn't say it's as bad as you make it out to be. very rarely do you have classes that are just outright worthless or very weak (i guess ronin in eo2u and a few of eo3's classes like hoplite or yggdroid) and while you do have to plan ahead the later games punish you much less for making bad decisions
this is all irrelevant to discussion since persona q is not very difficult at all
This shit is boring.
Action SMT when?
>>172253716
Well I played it on flashcard, did the retail version come with skill trees with detailed descriptions?
I couldn't find any info that let me plan anything in game.
>>172253852
SMT Go when
>>172254254
Isn't that was Devil Survivor was?
SMT Dancing All Night when
>>172254519
That's SMT2
>>172227873
>nintendo cuckitch
WHO THE HELL CARES
SMTxFE when
>>172253878
I don't believe there were differences between flashcard and retail as I'm pretty sure there were no skill trees in EO1.
Later games make it much easier to plan out stuff since you have big skill trees that allow you to see all the skills and it's easier to navigate than the menu they gave you in the first couple games.
>>172254787
EOs change in difficulty probably came from the fact that EO1, 2, 3, U1, and U2 are made by a different team than 4, PQ, and 5
>>172254870
I mean, did it have a manual that explained this shit?
>>172255060
The devs of EO 1, 2 and SJ aren't even part of Atlus anymore
>>172255137
oh. I don't really know lol.
I think there was something but I never read manuals. Most likely there was probably just a general description of each class and what it could do
So what can we expect from DEEP
>>172255674
Oh well. I guess I should give it another shot one of these days and just look up an optimized party comp.
I'm at the cannot escape your hunger tier in megaten completion and the next step would be learning moon.
Dagda's theme reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIFDYpBAuUs
>>172251392
Most SMT fans are fans of Persona games and other non-mainline MegaTen games in generally speaking here. Can't say the same with Personafags in general though.
>>172253208
>SJ is the best mainline, so I'm glad they're making it even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLi-ChTSI9A
DEEP
>>172256162
>that image
Nocturne/III
Strange Journey
IV
IV - Apocalypse/Final
Digital Devil Saga 1
Digital Devil Saga 2
Raidou 1
Devil Survivor 1/Overclocked
Devil Survivor 2/Record Breaker
Soul Hackers
Persona 1
Persona 2 - Innocent Sin/Eternal Punishment (They count as one game right?)
Persona 3/Portable
Persona 4/Golden
Persona Q
>>172256160
Dark Fantasies
So does the partner/slave you pick in the massacre route get much dialogue after the fact?
I wanna see what they all say but definitely don't want to go through the last dungeon over and over to see it
>>172256965
For me it's the same except both raidous, smt1+2 and no golden.
Have fun with your first playthroughs of SMT1/2.
I guess I could still play MT1/2 with the KMT translation.
>>172257529
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong sector, the carina club's two blocks down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N72QDwI9tK0
>>172256160
A deeper strange journey.
>>172256965
Raidou 2 is great anon, it improves a lot of things from 1. Should check it out if you liked 1.
>>172256160
More Gigantess mommy fetish pandering.
Hope new girl can do it.
Plus NINE's Maria, if we get a law mother it makes it all the more better.
I hope the new stuff kicks in more in NG+ since we got the law stuff wwith it.
>>172256160
All I want is an improved battle system. If Alex doesn't fuck up the story and it has a better battle system it would actually be perfect.
>>172255137
Yes. Manual did hAve the skill tree listed but later editions integrate it into the interface.
>>172257756
Only a few lines. There is a video on youtube with the dialogue.
I just beat Pluto and handed the quest in, is it normal to have no idea what the actual fuck is going on right now? Particularly from the opening of the Expanse onwards.
>Got water up my nose the other day
>Now I live my life in fear of brain-eating amoeba
>>172265184
>tfw you will never experience Yamato for the first time ever again
Do girls like Megaten that aren't Raidou or Persona?
>>172265657
Girls love EO, series for the pussies.
>>172265657
Given that most Megaten fanart in general comes from them, yes.
>>172265657
Girls with good taste do.
>>172265657
if they did i'd have a gf by now, so there must not be any
>>172258198
Bootes is where the brothels are
>>172265184
You should have a pretty good idea of what's going ononce you make it to Infernal Tokyo and meet demon Akira
So where is Kaneko? Did he leave Atlus? Why isn't he at least part of SJ Deep considering he was the Creative Director of the original game?
>>172269685
He was sacrificed to the Waifu gods.
>>172269685
still in his flower field
>>172270000
>0000
>>172270385
>digitsposting on /vg/
is there anything sadder
>>172270449
Getting upset by it in the first place would be more pathetic.
>>172270449
Sonyggers.
>>172271339
Pretty much this or Personafags.
>final is bad
>final is non-canon
>great will shitposting
>shitposting over persona
>again
I hope your asian roommates all kick your 3ds' into the wall.
>>172272146
(You)
>>172272146
all the cutscene art in final is so offputting
i guess because it looks so different from the rest of the game
What did he mean by this?
>>172272146
Nothing wrong about the first two points though.
why do people here constantly shit on final?
is it just "new game hatred' syndrome that every fanbase suffers from?
>>172274326
It has a lot of flaws, and most of what it did right was simply fix the battle system in IV.
Worst game is Nocturne though.
>>172274326
Maybe you should lurk more to find out.
>>172274326
It's an underwhelming sequel to a game that already had flaws. For every thing it fixes about IV, it kinda makes another thing worse. My biggest issue was the difficulty.
The difficulty curve in IV was like being dropped near the top of Mount Everest, climbing to the top, and then falling down the other side.
Final's difficulty curve was like sitting at home and watching a documentary about Mount Everest.
The plot was also straight garbage don't even try to deny it, the majority of the cast had exactly one character trait and nothing else.
>>172274326
Gaston alone makes the game shit.
>>172274326
It'smytimetoshine!
>>172274589
>Worst game is Nocturne though.
kek, still Atlus's best game ever made
>>172275767
How so?
>>172274326
>is it just "new game hatred' syndrome that every fanbase suffers from?
Pretty much, what the love for Final come pouring in when DEEP & HD get released.
>>172275861
it's the one I played first, so it's obviously the best
>>172275971
screencapping this for when DEEP is nearly about to come out
the minute I see "you know for all the bad stuff final did, at least it didn't..." i'm posting it
>>172276027
Fair enough.
>install Copernicus
>go to Sea Ark to recruit demons
>fuse a few on the COMP
>get Odin and Metatron out of nowhere
>>172274326
opened the floodgates for anime trope bullshit
>>172276027
>he didn't start with smt
Kono baka gaijin.
Final's characters are like they all walked out of a shitty harem anime.
>>172277419
>you can only pick one to enslave
It's not even a good harem anime.
>>172251392
>Most Persona fans are also SMT fans and vice versa.
They're really weird fans then, considering how much Persona sells compared to the rest of Atlus' games. I mean shit, the P3/P4 x Etrian spinoff probably sold better than most SMT games. Face it, the majority of them don't give a fuck about anything other than Persona.
>>172275767
weird, that's not strange journey
>>172277354
>かれはデジタル・デビル物語 女神転生で始まった
このバカ外人。
>>172255483
>2 and SJ
Yes they are. I forgot that 1 wasn't made by the same team though.
The devs of 2 made 3, U1, and U2
The Devs of SJ made Radiant Historia and Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
>>172278770
Hey, Jappo. We speak English in Tokyo. ENGLISH.
>>172272146
>Asian roommates
I don't have roommates.
you guys should lighten up. i only got into these games once they made them more accessible. sorry if you wanted a dead series, i guess.
>>172274326
I think IV and IV Apocalypse both have a lot of crippling issues that make them the weakest of the main series but shit like this is pure bait >>172274589
>implying he didn't save the whole game
>>172279484
you mean asahi?
>>172279534
I wish Asahi had porn.
>>172279256
I'd say its only half bait.
Lot of people (myself included) would agree that SMT IVA fixed IVs battle system however everything else you could complain about in IV returns in IVA but about 10x worse.
kill your friends and make her your goddess
Would you fuck Judge Zelenin? Would she be anti-demon immigration?
>>172277901
We as SMT fans need to team up with the EO guys to take Persona down
This shit is getting unbearable. We DESERVE better for being longer and better made series and yet personafags get everything. it's disgusting. I'm a fatlus but even I can see how much blatant corruption and pandering there is
>>172279726
No
Nanashi is going for the mommy milkers
>>172279878
No, I bet she has demon aids
>>172279726
okay
*unzips dick*
>>172216347
Norlt him but do you know what the script is?
>>172279878
I didn't know she was practically barefoot
>>172279878
no her mouth tastes like mastema dick
>>172280170
Impervious Macropenis
Infernal Micropenis
>>172279701
>smirk
>came back worse
>>172280213
Wrong.
She only ever fornicated with the Angel he gave her.
>>172280341
magic critting is stupid but other than that nothing else
if anything it's better because of magaon, unless it was in IV already and I forgot
>>172249963
>tfw no SMT with dadrock ost
>>172280596
for real though what the fuck does that even mean
persona q's OST was just as glitzy and anime-y as other persona games. what the fuck did they want?
>>172280591
>unless it was in IV already and I forgot
>critiquing a game you don't remember the details of
Feels just like my /v/ shitposts.
>>172279878
yes. very.
>>172281470
don't pretend this place is any better
>>172281897
We play megaten games anon. We have a pastebin full of tips and tricks for them.
We're already better by at least playing some gaems and posting hoys on page 10.
>>172282149
Gas the hoy posters
>>172282391
Alignment war now
>>172282391
>implying your gas can defeat the power of chaos
>>172282391
Fuck off Pluto
why is this general so obsessed with walter holy shit
>>172282854
gabriel pls go
>>172282854
Unable to think for themselves, all they can post are memes.
>>172282854
Because these fags have lost sight of /ourguy/ long ago.
>>172283146
>le meme kaworu clone
The SMT:If translation patch is coming guys. I swear.......
>>172283168
>Naoya
>kaworu clone
Guess how much I know you are a retard?
behold my demons
>>172283371
hope you're prepared
>>172283168
That isn't even the right character you dipshit
>>172283456
most unlucky for you
>>172282854
The child of Lucifer's arm has been freed!
Whoops, he got caught again
MY DEMONS SEEM TO BE A TAD PECULIAR
Let's go, Nanashi!
>>172283673
HOPE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID OF GHOSTS
>>172283540
Looks like she has a belly button piercing
>>172283456
I swear to god this faggot said this right everytime before using Agi on the Minotaur.
>get into fight
>HOPE YOU'RE PREPARED
>agi
>minotaur lands 6 critical hits in a row, labrys strikes 3 times\
>second try
>boost everyone's defense up to 3/minotaur's attack down to 1
>HOPE YOU'RE PREPARED
>he uses Agi TWICE in a row, minotaur attacks a grand total of 11 times in two turns
Even on the final try when I actually beat that piece of shit bull he made sure I was prepared. Fucking hell...
>>172283931
doesn't Jonathan say that though?
>>172283931
You weren't prepared.
>>172280170
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/grimoire/goetia.pdf
>>172283565
I'LL FINISH IT LIKE THIS
Since the remake is being casualised
Is the SMT series finished for good?
>>172286203
No
But you will be.
>>172283931
MOST UNLUCKY FOR YOU!
>>172283565
THIS IS PRETTY UNFORTUNATE FOR YOU
>>172286203
I'm already finished.
>>172286616
I HOPE YOU ARE ADEQUATELY IN READINESS
>>172286750
HEY
>>172284014
>>172284047
>>172286335
all you walterposters are lying to yourselves
walter used agi on your minotaur too, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it
>>172286874
I never got Walter in my Minotaur fights.
>>172286203
yes
we're not the edgy avant garde nocturne tier aesthetics series now, we're the slighty edgy but mostly happy times wannabe persona 4 series now.
>>172286203
It might as well be.
I don't think the SMT you know is ever coming back. Get ready for more Final-tier games.
>>172286874
I meant that "hope your prepared" is jonathan's line
I distinctly remember it in his voice
>>172283931
>HOPE YOU'RE PREPARED
>Not "I'll end it thus!"
>>172286203
How does adding a "save" anywhere make SJ remake "casualized" exactly?
>>172282854
we have so few memes, please help...
>>172166108
Honestly? Yeah. I started teaching myself sometime after the Tales of Vesperia fan translation started and reached a point where I could play and understand it fairly well some time before it actually finished. SMT I and II are pretty simple games too, so it wouldn't take too long to reach a point where you could play them. I'm guessing "if" too, but I haven't played that one yet, still need to play it and Strange Journey (or maybe I'll just wait for Deep Strange Journey now).
>>172288138
It doesn't, he is just dumb. It could potentially make random battles more meaningless when you can just save every step and if you die you reload with no problem. Luckily, the random battles aren't that bad to begin with, and people who pull stuff like that will probably just end up under leveled for the bosses.
I will probably be using it to avoid losing money to macca beam. Fuck that shit.
>>172289776
Tell me-hee about it, ho.
They're not seriously adding save anywhere, right?
>>172290201
But wouldn't the weird language of megaten games make it hard to play with only a basic knowledge? A bunch of weird names for gods and demons, and the sci-fi technology, and a bunch of characters (mainly those gods and demons) talking in an uncommon way? I always figured that level of stuff would take too long to understand.
Or is it a case of just having enough of an understanding to know the sentence structure and then just using a dictionary on most of the words? How hard would that be? I wouldn't mind getting to play Majin Tensei or SMT Nine if that is good enough.
>>172290410
They are. They're also adding Dagda style free revives.
>>172290410
They already said they are.
>>172290314
>Start NG+
>Enter Bootes after cruising through Antlia
>Immediately get ambushed by 3 Preta and Macca Beam'd of all my NG+ money.
>>172290410
>Bosses always had savepoints nearby.
>You're a huge fucking pleb if you actually die to any random encounter that isn't the unlucky Bites the Dust ambush in Delphinus.
Like it really matters.
>>172290470
Some of the later games may be tricky, but the first two are pretty easy to understand, especially the first. Most NPC conversations are short and fairly straight forward. Some of the demon conversations could potentially be a bit tricky, but they're not like later iterations. They're not Dragon Quest easy, but not very hard either. Not sure about Majin Tensei or Nine, I haven't played those.
>>172290729
literally the same thing happened to me
except it was one preta who just took it all with one macca beam
I never shut a game off so fast in my life
New thread when?
>>172290729
>had this happen to me in a New Game+ cycle
That shit was the worst.
>>172293216
>New thread when?
we haven't even hit the bump limit, retard
>>172274589
>Worst game is Nocturne though.
Get a load of this contrarian.
>>172293330
Wow rude
I wonder if the updated SJ remake will have more allusions to stuff in IV and Apocalypse? They'll at least give us a new sector/dungeon area to add on since Atlus did the same before with Overclocked and Record Breaker for DeSu 1 and 2, that would be a fair assumption I think.
>>172294871
Yeah
>>172290410
Yes
Ya
>>172294871
Perhaps. Though (assuming SMTIV/A comes after SJ chronologically in the same universe, which isn't necessarily true) making allusions to something that happens later isn't quite as easy to do as something that happened earlier. So I'm not sure what they'd do, but it sounds probable.
On that note, I wonder if either this or SMT HD will have a Nanashi/Flynn/both boss fight a la Demi-fiend in DDS or Raidou in SH...
>>172296502
I'm still upset they didn't include Space Marine with the others. They might have Demi-Fiend show up in it but I doubt Flynn or Nanashi will.
>>172296649
>>172296649
>>172296776
Yeah, poor guy's got it tough. At least he'll make a reappearance considering he's now getting a remake.
New
>>172296836
>>172296776
>spin-off
Poor Speesh Marine, casuals don't realize SJ isn't a spin-off.