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Previous Thread: >>171585443

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Wiki:
http://hollowknight.wikia.com/wiki/Hollow_Knight_Wiki
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Welcome back.
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>the Nosk fight and the entire lead up to it.
Also the location for that secret area was random as shit. Talk about missable.
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>theres a new thread
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>>171906808
Goodnight sweet princess
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Is there anyone else that you can give the delicate flower to other than elderbug in dirtmouth? Kinda want to give the flower to everyone who can get it before I hit 100%.
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wud u fug a bug
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>Get to big station thing
>Don't know what to do now and stop playing

why do i do this to myself
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>>171908434
Which big station?
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>>171908318
ye
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>>171908583
perfect answer
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>>171908583
They said it was the Queen's station I think, it was the other week. There was a place with jellyfish and a bank above
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>>171908858
what is bug fugging like
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>>171908318
yes
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>>171908893
Pay for the stag bell at the bottom left and bug out untill you have dash. Contrary to what I wrote in previous thread, you can do jackshit without it from here one out.Dash is in Greenlands.
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>>171908989
Hard outer shell, soft and squishy insides.
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>>171908989
Bags of sand fleas.
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>>171909556
Th-That might be kind of nice, actually...
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Bugs are kind of like organic natural knights when you think about it
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>20+ hours in
>get the dash upgrade, and upgrades to 2/3 magic attacks within minutes of each other
Well that escalated quickly
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>>171909397
By bug out you mean just explore and stuff? The dash isn't in the station, right?
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>Double Jump
>Acid Resist
>Crystal Heart
Exactly what's the order of events for these? I've been running in circles trying to progress lately.
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>>171911076
You need the Crystal Heart before either
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>>171911076
Crystal Heart is mandatory for Double Jump.
Acid Resist can be gotten at any time after clearing the Dung Defender, which requires either a Simple Key or Crystal Heart.
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>There's a secret directly above the chain down into the caverns
I was already paranoid as shit that I'm missing shit. Fuck me.
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>>171911476
Yeah, that surprised me too. Always listen for the sound that those objects make.
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>>171911476
It's mostly just crap for Geo, sadly.
Probably the most interesting detail is the Dream Trees.
Their vague descriptions when you nail a finished tree are interesting.
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>>171908318
absolutely
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At what point should I grind for the lantern?
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>>171911960
If you think the next areas you gotta go are Deepnest and/or Crystal Caverns.
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>>171911791
>That little cute mask
>SWOLL KNIGHT
>Break blocking enemies' shields with a single strike
>Send enemies flying
>Sparks now fly when you hit anything
>CLANNNG
>Radiance hesitates before approaching
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Is this a sequence break or intentional cheese for speedrunners? Using Dashmaster to circumvent getting acid resist for the geo item under the bridge Greenpath was comparatively minor compared to a health upgrade/early boss fight and access to the upper portion of Crystal Peak.
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Just got in the White Palace, what should I expect?
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>>171913591
BZZZZZZZZZ
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>>171913338
Probably intended, the game rewards skill and punishes scrubs like me until they git gud.
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>>171913683
Bees? Also, there's this beehive area below Kingdom's Edge, how do I get in?
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>>171914015
No, buzzsaws. Also, to get into the Hive you need to take the tram from the Ancient Basin to Kingdom's Edge and break a wall above a pit of spikes with 2 bees infront of it. You'll want to get in there before you do the White Palace, because there's a super useful charm in there that'll help you.
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>>171913926
I'm not entirely sure it's to reward skill. In order to continue on later I had to lure a Crystal Hunter over to where I needed a leg up, but hey, early Pale Ore. Time to upgrade my nail again.
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>tfw this guy was a bitch to fight the first time I played this
Feels gud to git gud
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It's physically impossible to get through this.
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>>171916158
You have to dash from exactly the right distance
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>>171916360
When does this nightmare ends?
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>>171913338
Can officially confirm neither Crystal Peak nor Watcher's Spire require double jump to get anything.

All 4 double jump spots in Crystal Peak and one at the entrance to the Watcher's Spire can be cheesed either with a destructible or with an enemy (admittedly the one at the peak of Crystal Peak is a bitch and a half if you fuck up cause it doesn't respawn unless you walk all the way back to the bench).
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>>171916801
when you defeat the Evil Dr Fetus and rescue the Bandage Girl.
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Ideas for Hornet Expansion:

Playtime: 10-15 hours

Quick Rundown:

Hornet loses her needle and have to look it up in the White Palace Word

she has no accsess to charms whatsoever
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>>171908434
Explore until you know what to do?
Jesus fucking Christ.
If you haven't visited Mantis village, go down the Fungal Wastes. If you already have, go east of teh Fungal Waste, where you've seen Hornet (there is a statue drawn on the map).
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ssb
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Just finished the game with 88%.

Who the fuck was Wyrm? How is it related to Radiance? Was the Pale King Wyrm?
Who was Unn?
Why the hunter beast refers to the Hollow Knight as the old king of Hallownest? What the fuck? Who was the Pale King?
Who was the queen? Herrah? The White Lady?
Why did the White Lady regret Hornet's creation?
Why was Hornet trying to stop you until you beat her in Kingdom's Edge? She already knew you. If you failed your mission everything would be fucked, including her mom.
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>>171908989

Their reproductive organs have special structures to grab your dick, hold it in and milk it for all it's worth. Can be very sticky, though, so be ready for some enforced cuddling.
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>>171925085
The Pale King is the Wyrm. Hunter's journal doesn't call the Hollow Knight the king, it's just bad wording. The queen is the White Lady, Herrah was the queen of Deepnest, which wasn't a part of the kingdom of Hallownest. I think Hornet was just trying to test your strength. If you weren't strong enough to contain or destroy the infection, then breaking the seals would only make everything worse.
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>>171925085
What's the lowest percentage you can finish the game with?
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>>171925085
>>171925421
Oh, and as for the relation of the Wyrm to the Radiance: The Wyrm/Pale King replaced the Radiance as the bugs' object of worship, which angered the Radiance.
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>>171909574
What DO tits feel like?

They don't really compare with anything. Water balloons?
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>>171916360
>>171916158
No you don't, you can just walk,. Pay attention to the tracks the saws are on and stay inbetween them.
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>>171916801
When that puzzle you just linked looks like child's play.
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>>171916158
Yet we did it. There is always a solution, even if it seems crazy at first.
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>>171928081
>seems crazy at first
I still can't get over how absurd last puzzle sequence in WP looks compared to how easy it is when you learn your way around it.
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>>171928261

It's a common theme with this game. That's why it's so good. Great design all around.

Except for Failed Champion. Between the (admittedly limited) RNG of its attacks and the complete RNG fuckery of the falling debris it's a full-twitch fight.
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>>171929998
Eh, I don't get people hating on him. You can use debris as projectiles against him and his attacks seem not much more rng than most. Could be that by the time I fought him I had pure nail, but maybe I just got lucky to deal with him quickly.

For me the hardest battle was Arena 3, the fucking floor is lava part is way way too long for comfort in my opinion.
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Holy fuck
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By the way, is anyone else keeping an archive of dialogue and relevant scenery?
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>>171933084
Your autism is admirable.

Add it to the wiki.
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>>171932653
What, did you expect some cute girl?
No, it was I, Unn!
Now take yer Charm and get out.
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>>171933239
I'm still a while away from completing the game, haven't unlocked the Abyss or started Super Meat Boy Palace yet, and a lot of the early content up until Crystal Peak was not recorded. It's also not very organized at this point, so I probably won't be uploading it any time soon especially with final exams coming up soon.
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>>171933354
>especially with final exams coming up soon.
Man why you have to be this way
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>>171929998
I don't get people thinking he's hard. Just stay right next to him mashing the attack button and dash below when he jumps. That's all.

Lost Kin, thought, is by far the hardest boss and the most satisfying one in the game since you only need skill to defeat him. It's actually the only boss who's challenging if you're not fighting him with one of his counter charms or after you get your overpowered nail.

>>171932653
>>171933243
So THAT was Unn.
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>>171933425
Well, once I finish the game I'll upload what I have here, but I can't promised that it'll be organized.
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>>171933712
No I mean why do you have to remind me of my commitments.
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>>171933798
My apologies. Have some hot bug-on-bug action as compensation.
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>decide to do Iron Soul for shits and gigles
>realize that I'll never get it cause meat boy palace, but still go for it. Just for fun.
>Kill everything up to hornet.
>Hornet hard man.
>Fight her, kill her with nearly full health.
>Wow I'm awesome.
>15 minutes later die in a pool of acid on a stupid platforming challenge.

Fuck keyboards man. Should I try again?
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>>171935893
Just skip all the platforming parts until you get hiveblood.
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>>171936069
Well that's dull as hell but you are probably right. the only way I managed to get trough the white nightmare in the first place is HIve+Juni.

Guess I'll give it another shot.
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>>171932653
Where do you find it?
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>>171936618
Swim left of Lake of Uun. When you reach the lowest lake at the bottom, run to the right, and run back when you hear a loud splash.
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>>171936618
Behind the burning acid of the Lake of Unn.
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>>171936693
>>171936694
Thanks!
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>>171925763
Grab your asscheek. It's like that. Bugtit if it exist would feel like warm chitin.
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can anyone draw this but with hollow knight and the power of the radiance?
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When you first get your dream nail you're trapped inside the dream world by the dreamers, why did they do that? Why didn't they fight when you came for their souls in the dream world?
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>>171936693
>>171936694
Damn. I already have the Shape of Unn but do not remember this encounter at all so i thought it was an event after that. Shame.
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>>171939318
>Dream World
Because they need to ensure you're strong enough. You fucking aren't at the time, but the Seer is kind enough to help and save your ass.
>Fight back
Cause they see you're strong enough.
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What did Hollow Knight Jr used to do before he went to Hallownest for his quest?
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>>171940471
Sleep, like all his Siblings.
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What did the king do wrong? He saved the bugs from Radiance's tyranny and gave the bugs free will.
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>>171940495
>>171940471
why didn't he start in the abyss then?
Where did he come from?

>>171941708
he made an imperfect vessel for the infection.
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>>171941793
Yeah, but he tried his best. Yet fools like Xero didn't understand his doings.
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>>171941793
We don't know why he didn't start in the Abyss. He could have been crafted outside of Hallownest and sent there at a specified time or he could have actually been there in the flashback and crawled out before the door was sealed, like the other few who did, but still died.
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>>171942108
He surely must have been hibernating, otherwise he would have aged like the Hollow Knight.
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>>171942024
We're not sure that's the erason why Xero went against him, are we?
And even so, from his point of view it must have seen monstrous. Talk about something hard to explain.
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Real question: Was Zote one of the siblings?/spoiler]
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>>171942924
We don't know for sure. But since there should be two more playable characters coming up and Zote is probably one of them, it should be explained.
It appears he have a mother and a father though, unless he was "adopted".
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>>171942924
I'd say no - he is way too emotional and doesn't alter behaviour when you obtaint he black heart
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>>171943000
Was this confirmed?
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>>171943136
I think Hornet campaign is pretty much confirmed, beyond that nothing solid afaik.
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>>171939318
Because its a different kind of test.
MC Bug(Godling) is already practically immortal.
Godling being able to respawn is different from Godling being able to FIX EVERYTHING, or in worst case: Get a 100% seal working, praying that the extended civilization finds a better solution.
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Where the fuck is there some lever to open up the second part of City of Tears?
I've looked everywhere.
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>>171946254
the right of the fountain?
It's behind that door.
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>>171946382
Either the one right of the fountain, or that bridge mid height connecting the both towers.
I'm locked out of both and can't reach the dreamer.

I want to get in REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>171946521
It's not approached from storeroom stag. You have to go above or below the city to solve it.
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>>171946709
So I have to go through another area? Pain in the ass.
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>>171946825
go play with yourself and play this game again when you feel like it
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I finally finished Trial of Fools.
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>>171947252
You madman.
Lag always fuck me over.
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The entire plot is started by a God having a temper tantrum over its creation not revering it anymore, despite none of them having any sort of agency, then being sealed away by someone less possessive for behaving like a little shit.
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>>171947667
>God
"Higher Being" would be a better term given that there are plenty of them running around.
>its creation
There were bugs before radiance, they worshipped essence and were plenty sapient.
>someone less possessive
That's one interpritation, another is Radiance and the Wyrm worked together to create that bastardised theocracy and then destroyed it fighting over who gets to rule it.
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>>171948147
Where did you find that second piece of lore?
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>>171948247
Bring 2400 essennce bug that gives you the dream sword
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>>171946521
You can get in via the resting grounds which unlocks an elevator into that side of the city (which in turn lets you open the doors) but you need the down smash ability.

FYI, since you seem impatient you can get into the upper portion Watcher's Spire where the dreamer is without double jump by abusing the destructible environment to the left of the glass ceiling you can shatter for no god damn reason. I recommend the quick heal charm for the boss fight at the top.
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>>171948556
Or, you know, sell shit to the merchant bug who outright tells you the first time you sell him the most expensive type of item that there was civilization before this bullshit.
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>>171948929
I never did that because I always had enough Geo on me.
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>>171948929
That's a different piece of lore, it doesn't mention the essence bit. Besides it's entirely possible that it was 2 different civilisation one down to earth shamanistic one and another highly advanced techmagical society possibly responsible for creating both Wyrm and Radience. After all does that moth and her surrounding look to you like a remnant of people that build arcane eggs?
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So I just found the grey mourner and got the delicate flower
I already got spoiled that you can give the flower to the elder in dirtmouth, but if I do that, do I still receive the mask shard afterward?
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>>171950523
Yes. The quest only ends after bringing it to the grave. You can do whatever you want until then.
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>>171950523
No.
She gives you another flower.
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Just finished my third playthorugh, I need more games like this.

Suggestions?
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>>171952341
I feel like the Watcher Knight(s) had a more important role before.
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>mfw getting Salubra's blessing
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>>171956309
Salt And Sanctuary, Dark Souls.
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>>171932653
I can't find this at all.

Was this added in a later version?
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i clicked on VG and saw this,
is this game any good? should i play it? what is it?
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>>171956795
No it's just arcane as fuck.That is Unn. Find his lake, swim left.
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>>171941793
This was not his first adventure.
He first started in the abyss and then he wandered into the desert.
For the prequel.
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>>171956951
It doesn't appear at all to me, I have the harm though
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>>171957489
That means you missed the animation, it starts when you walk out of that room. Or maybe they added it, the animation, in a patch and I'm clueless.
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>>171957594
nah i got the same things, my screen shaked but i was already in my way out and i only noticed the charm because i was searching for it
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>>171956807
Yes.
Yes.
Metroidvania.
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Ok, i have a problem, a serious one. I was getting fucked over in the arena due to lag, so i thought i'd try the Failed Champion.
It lags too much. Seriously, i had not that problem last week. Did anything happen? A new patch? Anyone got the same issue? I'll never manage to 100% the game at this rate, that's unplayable.
Fucking hell I'm at 97%. So close.
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>>171965706
I had some lag from memory leaks, try rebooting game and PC, might help, for a time.
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I find it amusing that the manual states that shades may involve into your deadliest enemy.

Yeah, they gain attacks and power as you do. But that doesn't stop them from being easily defeated. You really have to be idle for them to be a threat in my opinion.
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>>171966773
>No Grand Shade boss who can spawn in place of your regular Shade if you die in the Abyss
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>>171965706
i cant believe how laggy that game is, if it wasnt a platform game i would understand but thats just ridiculous
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game bugged and i'm stuck in soul sanctum after spending an hour killing Soul Tyrant. fucking end me.

is there a way to fix this or clip pass a gate/walls?
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>>171969028
You do know that when you quit game you re spawn at bench, right?
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>>171969138
Yes I know that. I spawn right next to Soul Master's body which is the area that i'm stuck in.
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I accidentally got into the crystal area without getting the lantern. How do I get out?
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I can go mines, deepnest or soul sanctum. Is there any pressing reason to do one before the others? If not I'll just stumble through my own way.
>>171937136
It's literally nothing like an asscheek what is wrong with you.
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>>171971037
>Mines, Deepnest or Soul Sanctum
There's a few map areas you can't get to in Deepnest without something from the Mines.
One of the 2 routes into Mines is gated by a power-up from Soul Sanctum.
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>>171971682
Oh, well I want to get whatever it is that breaks those quaking floors.

Thanks anon. That's actually the order I was going to do anyway because fuck spooks.
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>>171971792
You need desolate dive to get to the mines, which is gotten from the soul sanctum
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>>171972659
Yes I know, hence the entirety of my post.
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>>171969423
Where, exactly, is the glitch?
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>>171972659
>need desolate dive to get to the mines
No you don't. If you have dive but not lantern you are doing it wrong, there is a craptonne of geo lying around.
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>>171972871
fixed it. wasn't a glitch, i'm just retarded and missed a patch of crumbling floor.

the funny thing is, the whole time i spent moping about a glitch, i recalled every patch of crumbling ground i could use desolate dive on lmao.
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>Get the Crystal Core
>Climb to the crumbled bridge over the village
>Try to core boost over
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>>171973093
It wasn't my fault. I died with 3k+ geo, went to kill my shade, game froze for some reason, and lost all my geo. Went in the crystal place not knowing that I needed the lantern, and fucked myself over.
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This charm would need a damage boost to be top-tier but it's so hilarious I take it for a lot of miniboss fights anyway, and passive damage is surprisingly useful. Frees up brainpower to dodge.
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>>171976730
>There wasn't a secret up there
How sad.
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>>171978026
>damage boost
Combine it with defender's charm.

>>171976730
>>171978508
Doesn't it just lead to the mines elevator? Or do you mean some other broken bridge?
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>>171978997
I'm talking about from the Elevator at the town edge.
>Dash across
>No secret above the old door
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>tfw beat Lost Kin
Thank you Dung Defender
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Lost Kin is bullshit
That is all
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>>171981183
>>171982029
I still don't get why people make such a big deal out of dream bosses. Just get pure nail equip quickslash+longblade+juni and kill them,

Can someone explain this? Do people fight them with shitty equipment? I mean it took me better part of the weekend to do arena, this fuckers took me 1-3 tries. What's the big deal?
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>>171981183
It was the orange ghosts wasn't it?
I slapped it on as well thinking it may or may not work but it made the fight much easier without the mook spam.
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>Spend at least 30 minutes on Lost Kin
>Get so salty I seek out this thread to post >>171982029
>See >>171981183
>Equip shit charm and beat it in two tries

>>171982358
They make it so much harder, you can't dodge because you'll get hit by one and you can't focus on killing them because you'll get hit by Lost Kin.

>>171982310
I dunno dude, Lost Kin is the only dream boss I've found thus far. I haven't even returned to the moth woman yet and now I have 450 essence for her lol. I found the arena to be not that difficult after investing in fragile strength.
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>>171982957
and now I have A DOUBLE JUMP MOTHERFUCKER AT LAST fucking awesome
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>>171982310
The first two rounds of the arena were easy for me, did them both on first try with 8 masks / 3rd nail
Also did Lost kin with third nail and I really had trouble before using defender's crest. It's much easier without having to worry about ghosts
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Why is this even here? You need the turbo dash to even find this shit and by then you should god damn have beaten this boss fight.
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>>171983182
>you should god damn have beaten this boss fight.
Ehhh, after hornet the game becomes extrimely non-linear. In the steel soul run I just lost I had charge before beating mantis because I was dodging bosses. Even if I wasn't it's perfectly concieveble to turn right at the city gate and don't look back. It's not like they block progress- there is another entrance to deep nest after all, and in my first game if fell into it before fighting mantis. Don't follow my example tho, deep nest + blunt nail = death of joy.
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>>171983182
Pretty sure you can wall jump up there. The two extra health is really handy if you plan on beating the mantis lords early on.
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>>171983120
>The first two rounds of the arena were easy for me, did them both on first try with 8 masks / 3rd nail
I had trouble on the second one because I stubbornly refused to wait for 3rd nai and went in with second one. The third challenge really drove me nuts tho, floor is lava for 6 waves is not fun, not at all. I aslmost dropped the game after finishing arena
>Also did Lost kin with third nail and I really had trouble before using defender's crest. It's much easier without having to worry about ghosts
I dunno, with quickslash and abyss magic they felt like a non factor - boss simply dies before he has much of a chance to do anything.
Kinda like when you are dying on Radiance, the prep fight turns into an attack spam fest long before you defeat the bastard.
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Fuck this, It's impossible.
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>>171986420
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>>171986420
Nigger, are you serious
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Oh look, a bank... fuck
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>>171987071
>trusting the banking jew
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>>171987071
whay does she do
is she running away if you fill the bank ?
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>>171988809
>>>
> Anonymous 03/24/17(Fri)15:24:33 No.171988809 â–¶
>>>171987071 (You)
>whay does she do
>is she running away if you fill the bank ?
no I lost all my geo before i could deposit
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>>171986420
NL, please
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>>171986420
You're in for a shit time if this boss is impossible to you.
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R.I.P
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>>171986420
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>>171995769
>bloodborne-posting
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>void soul doesn't fill soul like the king soul
well shit
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So, the assumption is that the Hornet campaign will take place after the True End?
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>>172001067
I don't know
What I DO know is that I want to fuck Hornet
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Is Hornet r34 a thing or is it just lewd images?
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>>172004417
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/Hornet/1
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>>172004595
O h m y
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>>171986420
Summon me, I'll help.
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>you can beat the game without ever setting foot in Ancient Basin or Kingdom's Edge
You can optimize a game for speedrunning too much, devs.
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>>172007258
>Speedrunning
All it takes is one little detail.
It's fine to be quite honest.
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>>172007258
Yeah, but that's only for the normal ending
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Best Bug?
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>>172009619
Sheo
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Are these supposed to be the thoughts of the training dummy, or Oro's thoughts?

Also how many Arcane Eggs are there in the game? I missed the one from the Lifeblood Core room, but I read that there were at least 5 eggs, more than the 4 confirmed eggs from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-u3ZPzOTvmzf-FSCGp9EPLUrttO08O12H-z0UBBWJSs/pubhtml#
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>>172013895
Probably just Oro's thoughts. The dummy has the same mask as the big hoppers that appear when you hit it enough times, so it's not anybody's corpse or anything.
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>>172014114
Thank you, I suspected as much. That pretty much confirms my interpretation of the Nailmaster story.

Sheo, Mato and Oro were apprentices of the Nailsage Sly. Oro was the serious one, with one hell of an inferiority complex. Mato was less skilled, but very enthusiastic. Sheo far outshined his two friends, but sought something else. Mato's dream was to become a teacher of the Nail (pic related). Presumably, being the bubbly friendly sort, he made Oro promise to join him.

What happened next probably went like this:
>Sheo got gud faster than everyone else
>Oro felt insecure about being a scrub and snuck away to get better
>Mato chased after him and the two had a fight
>Nailsage devises jew tactics to steal everyone's Geo

This sequence of events accounts for Mato and Oro speaking of something owed by the latter, and also explains why Oro is training in the middle of nowhere at the far end of Hallownest. Mato, in contrast, is based on the Howling Cliffs, which is the main pathway by which dudes enter Hallownest. Sheo paints in the middle of thorns and Durandoos because he's just that badass.
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Can't believe I only just found this
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>>172016240
Which root is that?
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>>172017589
It's behind a breakable ceiling in the big tube in the Crossroads that connects to Greenpath, the Grubs, etc.
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So I accidentally swiped a grave in Queen's Garden. Will this fuck up my ending/playthrough?
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>>172018501
Swiped a grave with my dream nail*
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>>172018501
>>172018567
You mean you hit the ghosts of the Orthops? Shouldn't be a problem I think.
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>>17201869

Yeah and thanks lol
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>>172017949
I can't believe I missed that shit either.
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>>172018960
Same, I dropped everything to go back and grab it.
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>>172019068
I think the double pissoff in terms of missability is
1. It's very early but requires a later ability
and
2. Breakable ceilings are rare as balls. I can think of like 2 examples off the top of my head.
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>>171915654
This motherfucker...

Yeah I loved kicking its assets after dying once. These boss fights are awesome.
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>>171970856
Dying
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>>171970856
keep to the ground floor and head right if you are good enough you will end up in a different area, if not you will die
When ded use hut in the eastern wall of dirtmouth to recover shade to restore geo.


>>172019323
Best thing about Iron Soul is that Fragile strength becomes top tier.
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When you're sealing the light
She's with him for the night
NE-TO-RA-RE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWOjgjCQQ0c
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Let me get this straight:
The dream nail power invokes the light of the radiance, to temporarily bind your mind to others so you can read their 'thoughts'? But they aren't active thoughts, they're in some higher plane bullshit, which is why you can read dead bugs.
Player Bug doesn't spill out any secrets when doing this because either
1. You're a Samus-style mute, on all planes of existence.
2. You're an empty vessel, even inside your head
But even then, characters like the Seer can "feel" you link together.

When dream nailing, you enter the higher plane of the radiance with them, but as a narrative shortcut, this only actually loads a different area for very significant characters, fights, etc. It's not that some random dead bug doesn't have that same "zone" inside them, but we just skip that for bugs that only think things like "...Scared..."
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>>171965706
Yeah, not doable. I can't just fucking restard my computer between every try.
Fuck my life, it worked fine before...
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>>172022058
>invokes the light of the radiance
Light of essence, actually, see 2400 essence conversation with moth
>dead bugs
You are essencially playing medium for their shades, unlike you they are not born of the void so theirs is not black, but based in essence
>doesn't spill out any secrets
It's mostly a design choice, hornet has similar origins and nature, but nevertheless can speak.
>this only actually loads a different area for very significant characters
You pretty much mind link with them via nail, yes, but not always, sometimes you just disurb, or if they are defenceless banish/consume, their spirit. It's a bit of a mind bender this one because technically it's not considered bad form to do so, since all the warrior spirits thank you for it. And thats before we get to that one spirit tied to a living being and how that works. Rules are only defined enough to not seem like they are asspull, but ultimately dream nail is largely plot based power macguffin.
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How the fuck do I get out of crystal caverns? Do I have to beat the faggot with the laser?
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>>172023803
You don't need to. You have two options:
1. Go back the way you came via Myla
2. Find the Crystal Heart at the right side of the map and go FAST out the left
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>>172024057
You can also drop to Resting grounds at bottom right.
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How do I marry Elderbug?
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I fucking hate Queen's Garden holy shit. It's not that is hard but it's weirdly obnoxious, the thorns, the enemies, the platforms, it's like it's designed to milk rage out of you.
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>>172009619
Myna.
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>>172025235
Queen's Garden is fine, but Deepnest is just stupid and made to make you angry. It's even worse than the White Palace.

I got mad at the Deepnest and the stupid larva enemies who show out of nowhere but WP didn't bother me.
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>>172025469
To be fair Deepnest is designed to take a toll on you.
The whole place is screaming "don't be here" at you. So yeah, it being obnoxious is kind of necessary, but i don't know. I still liked it even if it was frustrating.
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How did a nerd like Cornifer managed to get a qt like Iselda?
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>>172026108
She needed a beta cuck after she retired from stretching her legs.
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>mfw a qt grub turns into a facehugger
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>>171978997
It does. But you can't access it, because it needs to be opened from the mine side.
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Is there any reason to not sell those diaries/crests/idols to that not-a-museum-guy?
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>>172026795
Not at all! He even gives you bits of lore for it.

>>172026360
Mimics a shit
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>>172026108
Probably got her out of trouble with his mapping skills when she was lost.
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>>172026164
>tfw she still seems to love this "beta cuck" of hers fiercely and with all her heart though
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>>172029332
Not really. She never says that, and she even mentions she wants to go back to duty.
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>>172029392
You only want to think that because of the aching void in your life that you know will never be filled by a stalward, passionate and loyal warrior cuddlebug
She does allude to it in one of the lines where he sleeps in the background. That she loves him.
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>>172029507
Glad we'll be able to cuck him in the cuckroach campaign.
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>>172029674
>cuckroach
My sides have left Hallownest

I hope so too
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>>172029392
Are you clinically autistic.
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>>172029865
>posts on 4chan
do you even need to ask?

Anyway, is Iselda supposed to be a mantis?
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>>172030131
>mantiselda
n-no, I just drew her like that for some reason. sorry
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Any tips for the Failed Champion ? The humongous frame skip and stutter is killing me
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>>172030131
What ARE they?

Mossies?
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>>172030131
>>172030408
Probably this.
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Boy do I love these skips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHBqTqUywNE
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>>172030926
Frogs get out.
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>>172030969
How do people find out these things?
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>>172031113
Effort.
Good understanding of the map.
Good understanding of the game mechanics
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Do you think I can get the speedrunning achievements?
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>>172031881
I dunno, do you?
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>>172032154
It took me 40 hours to get all the endings and 60 for 100%.
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What's the lowest completion percentage you can get?
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>>172032279
I'm close to 100% but the Hunter refuses to acknowledge I've completed the fucking journal and give me the last entry.
JUST
U
S
T
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>>172032279
40 hours for all endings isn't that bad, I'm currently at 35ish hours for 98% and first ending cleared. If you rush Failed Knight, Hornet, Mantis Claws/Soul Master/Mantis Lords you should be able to progress reasonably quickly, especially since you're just going for time.

All you have to do is kill the three Dreamers, upgrade your Nail and kill the Hollow Knight, yeah?

If you're going for a 100% speedrun though, then I gotta ask what's the last bit that kept you for 20 hours?
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Holy shit, 37 hours in and I didn't know you could talk to shopkeepers by standing on their right side.
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>>172030303
>Any tips for the Failed Champion
strength up and quick heal
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>White Lady has an impregnation fetish
MUH DICK
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>>172031046
No.
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>>172030969
Only found two skips during my run.
I'd have liked to find this one since i spend a bit of time on the walk'n dash part up there.
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>>171932653
Is this the only non-bug, non-fungus life in the game?
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>>172009619
Isaldea.
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Why is the hunter such a jerk?
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>>172036384
He's redpilled and very edgy. How do I marry him?
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>>172036384
The first time I encountered his lair, I turned immediately the other way, figuring he would pop out and murder me.

Didn't realize he was an NPC I could talk to until stumbling back through at the very end of the game.
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>>172035209
Jellies, m8. One of the sleeping ones was even of the jellyfish race.
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Fucking hell fuck challenge of the fools. Cannot get past the bit where the traitor mantises show up

>>172036640
Some of the Hunter's entries just make him look like a big puppy
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>>172035209
Bug's a fairly loose term that could basically describe any member of Ecdysozoa and "worms" of Lophotrochozoa
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>>172038428
NEEEEERRRDD
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>>172038428
That's why you'll never have a bug girlfriend.
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Does Cloth have to die against the Traitor Lord ?

And also, when are you blocked off from getting the bad ending ?
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>>172030303
If he jumps away from you, he's about to use the shockwave attack. If he jumps towards you, he's going to try and mace you. Dash under him when he tries to mace you and hit him a few times, then focus on dodging until he does it again. Repeat.
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what's the king's brand do?

How do I get the grub in the top left corner of the room with the teacher's archives?

What's that mushroom speaking a foreign language that appeared where the map maker was?

What's with that ticklish bug stuck in the ceiling in Kingdom's Edge?
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>>172039593
No.
When you unite the great powers of Wyrm, Root, and Void.
>>172041140
King's Brand is the blessing of the King to enter places long lost.
Crystal Dash from upper right.
Mr. Mushroom is the Herald of the Age. But he can only speak to those who hold his blessing. (Charm)
That big ass bug is one of the oldest living bugs in Hallownest.
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>>172041140
Opens the door in ancient basin.

Crystal dash

secret ending

Head is at the top. Dumps lore.
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>>172041418
I got that brand while exploring a lot of new areas, so I don't know if I need to backtrack or if I opened something on the way that I wouldn't have reached without it. It doesn't open the black egg, does it?
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Also I didn't buy the rancid egg from the shopkeep. Am I now barred from 100%? I still have no idea what they do, but seeing as some of them are hidden around the world, I assume they have some value later.
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>>172030303
>Failed Champion
Juni, quick+long nail.
Healing on him is a waste of effort
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>>172037932
Fighting Fool with nail is unwise. Abyssal magic is your friend.
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>>172041721
You didn't open the door east of Dirtmouth, You can trade them to a guy that canbring your shadow here, allowing you to kill it and get back your geo without any risk
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Can anyone say when does crossroad get infected?
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>>172043225
When you kill the Soul Master.
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>>172043225
when you absord the first dreamer
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>>172043325
>>172043349
For me it was neither of these, happened for me when I beat Broken Vessel
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>>172043325
>>172043349
>>172043581
Thanks guys, I'm guessing it is down to progress counter then.
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>>172041620
No, no it doesn't.
It opens a door at the bottom of Ancient Basin.
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I never got to thank the draw anon for finishing my request (sort of) after he lost the first one he was drawing.
Thanks thanks!
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how do I get this grub?
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>>172044937
From above.
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>just used my own shade as a pogo platformx3 to get the King's Brand w/o double jump
I'm officially shooting for True End w/o double jump.
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>>172045486
didnt think about it, thats quite clever
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>>172044937
Isn't that the "crystal dash from the left and double jump below the opening in the ceiling" gurb?
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>>172044937
from top left corner of the top right room in the hive
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>>172045486
Have fun in the White Palace
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I hear a grub right here in this corner. It is blabbering with joy, so I'm clearly right next to it, but I can't do anything.
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>>172048592
You gotta go down and around.
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>>172048592
you have to go around and break a glass window to get to him after some wall jumping
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>>172041418
Do crystal and fungus count as great powers?
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>>172050321
There is a dug joke somewhere hidden isn't
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>>172046419
if you mean the room where I got the hive charm, I can't find any opening on the top left corner. I can hear the grub when I hug the top right corner of the room I am in in the screenshot. No openings anywhere nearby. I tried the ground above in Kingdom's Edge, and that is solid.
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>>172050321
>>172050383
>drug
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>>172050414
never mind, I found it, there was a hole in the ceiling.
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>>172050414
The opening is a hole in the roof, use super dash and double jump to get him.
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What a good game that was.

I kinda expected the final bosses to be harder from what I read here before. For the Hollow Knight I just tanked all his hits and DPS raced him. The Radiance was just knowing the right moments to shadow dash, the only problem I had with her was those homing sun orbs.

DLC when?
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>>172050321
Nope.
King, Queen, and Void.
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>>172051645
Hornet campaign should be coming out within the next few months, not sure about Zote though.
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Did they not add an icon for the Hunter's Mark?
Or did this just bug out on me?
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>>172031881
youtu.be/YIsgZSHbPc4
I did a test run, if you practice bosses it won't be that hard, even if you fail them few times you still under 3 hours.
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>>172052604
They did. It's a marked tooth.
For some reason, it disappeared like 2 patches ago.
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>>172030969
Makes me happy I did it the "hard" way.
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>>172052518
How would a Zote campaign even work?
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>>172054945
>Is a prologue to the game as a whole
>Features Zote embellishing horribly on his quest, narrating the whole thing, being this legendary warrior
>Blends into main campaign towards end, but from Zote's perspective
>Fight with Tiso
>Then ends with him chatting up Bretta
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>>172054945
It's a dramatic retelling of his exploits.
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>>172054945
>>172055179
>>172055209
I think second charchter will be either a new guy or Iselda, She has a few lines alluding to picking up her blade some time soon..
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>>172055425
I'd be fine with Cloth too. That'd be fun.
>>
Shit, I played this for too long. I woke up with the humming of Cornifer in my brain.
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>>172055425

We already saw the portrait though, and its a dead ringer for Zote, down to the broken horn and hunched over posture.
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>>172055602
check under your pillow - is there a map of your place?
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>The fucking sequence in the white palace with the up-and-down moving saws with a pixel-large safe spot in between

HELP
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>>172055649
Ehh, I didn't see it, but even if so I just can't see a zote campaing happening. I'd sooner believe that it's another one with the same PC with some cosmetic damage rather than zote. Tho I honestly think they were just trolling.
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What
WTF is up with the Stalker Temple?
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>>172056906
It's not hard, actually, trick is to hand on to the left wall untill they start going down rather than up, it nearly doubles your time/space for movement.
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>>172054945
Pacifist run, since you're too weak to actually beat anything.
You could be immune to the damage of most ennemies, but they bump you farther, so the game gets more plateforming oriented.
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Holy fucking shit, what in the fucking fuck is this?
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>>171932653
Umm was a experience.
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>>172051645
>tfw almost at 100h and im not a 100% yet
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Poor valiant Galien the worthy
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Where does the Zote DLC information come from? Searches give me no source from developers. Also Zote was decently funny I guess but a Zote DLC sounds like garbage.
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>>172062217
Mostly that the silhouette for the third campaign on kickstarter matched Zote pretty clearly.
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>>172062217
It was a stretch goal in the Kickstarter.
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>>172060254
Fanfiction.
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>>172061258
What's the story on No Eyes?
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why did people fund saw palace
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>>172063405
Elderbug tells you about that.
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>>172062425
How many stretch goals has this game hit total now, what with all the kickstarter, paypal donations, and the steam purchases?
(IE: Someone who just only recently found out about this game.)
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>>172063623
>Dusk Knight and King's Golem
Wait what.
Are they gonna expand the White Palace at some point?
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>>172064370
kickstarter stretchgoals are just a scam. What does "added new boss/area" even mean when we don't know how many bosses/areas there are going to be in the game in the first place?
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>>172063623
>kickstarter
That makes it a third good game to come out ofrom kickstarter. Never would have though desu. It's way too good for it
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>>172064634
Well, the fact they named those 2 is very quantifiable.
And they are not in the game.
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>>172064709
you're right. I want my money back.
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Some times
I want to make Dash Master.... Proud
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>>172063623
But the White Palace is cool though. Really hard, but doable, and not unfair as long as you use Hiveblood (that should be using anyway) and grubsong.
Felt pretty good at the end.
Too bad it disappear, could have been for a nice challenge with a (finish the white palace under X minutes)
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>>172064180
I must have missed that bit of lore. He will not say anything interesting now.

>>172065959
It disappearing also locks you out of finishing the Hunter's Journal if you didn't get the entries for the retainers, right?
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>>172063623
>mystery of the arena
Is there one?
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>>172065959
they should've just made you have infinite life, right now white palace is a big fuck you to anyone who hasn't found the right charms
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>>172066337

No, the entry fills anyway.
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>>172066418
>+4 new bosses
They didn't reach the goal so of course not.
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>>172066672
I mean, It's still in the game and has 3 bosses, I figured I might have missed some deep mystery or some shit.
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>>172053545
Pretty cool so far, really curious about some of your chocies, guess i'll understand them as the video goes.
You mention glitchless, is that just in case of something coming, or are useful glitches already been discovered? Seems like you're going to the menu to cancel the ground impact animation at the end of each fall, but other than that..?
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>>172066479
The Palace is intended for those that want to complete the game as much as they can, so that's not really a big problem, is it?
Hiveblood and Grubsong aren't that hard to find anyway.
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>>172067450
hiveblood isn't really easy, entrance to hive is in a very weird spot
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>>172066337
Basically
>Plague hits
>Advocates removing the infected limbs
>She removes her eyes
>She did the right thing, which is why she is buried in her own temple
>She regrets her decision
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>>172066479
Nonsense, the whole point of a challenge area like that is to challenge your skill, stop whining about it ffs. There are 4 different charms that make it a lot easier, especially when combined. If you are doing it but don't have at least 2 of them it's your own bloody fault.

>>172067897
It's kinda brilliantly hidden in my opinion. Bit too obscure maybe, but brilliant non the less, because it's intended to be discovered not by randomly smashing slightly different looking walls, but accidental when killing bees near it with a spell.
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>>172069185
thats exactly how i got it, i saw the 2 bees and didnt want them to kick me down in the shitty worm so i threw a spell and it opened the wall, it got me wondering if i missed other things like that but apparently not
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hey

give me something simple to draw
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>>172070897
Female Zote
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>>172069185
>you should need to have hidden item to get through area in reasonable fashion
just amazing
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>>172071569
>A game about exploration gets easier if you explore
Wow
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>>172057634
How did you find this?
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>>172070897
Eternal Emelitia and Zote arguing. I think I would pay to see that interaction play out in-game - Emelitia just bluntly laughing in Zote's face amuses me for some reason.
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>>172072040
Breakable wall.
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>>172072651
Welp, time to go back to Stalking Devout hell.

Any breakable walls in that one Weaver Den?
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>>172072914
That's where it is.
2 walls breakable.
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i just got to the glade of hope and im wondering if i should just convert the whole grave yard to essence. what happens if you ''kill'' the souls ?
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>>172073938
You get 1 Essence per Soul except for the one at the front. She gives you 10. You don't need them for 100%. Do get the Dream Tree at the top right tho.
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>>172073938
You can't see them again. As far as i know that's the only thing.
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>>172073938
>what happens if you ''kill'' the souls ?
>>>
> Anonymous 03/26/17(Sun)02:32:26 No.172074082 â–¶
>>>172073938
>You get 1 Essence per Soul except for the one at the front. She gives you 10. You don't need them for 100%. Do get the Dream Tree at the top right tho.
It's mostly a grandiose waste of time. Technically speaking doing so is not morally questionable, but really it's just plain useless.
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>>172073112
>spoiler
Fuck me I am bad at this game.

Also, just to be clear, we are talking about Herrah the Beasts' place and not this place with the spider heads lying around.
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>>172074484
Herra's beast den isn't Stalker Hideout anon.
Stalker Temple is the one with the heads and in the middle of Spider canyon.
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so am I just gonna keep having to traverse the world to find out where the mushroom guy will next appear? I don't get any of his cryptic messages. What did he mean about my great appetite? I don't think ghosts can eat.
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>>172073938
>End Joni the Kindly Heretic
>Get 1 soul
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>>172076027
>spider canyon
You mean the bit with the Dream Tree? Any hints as to where the wall(s) are at in the zone?

Sorry to pester you, I'm trying to log all the shit I can find in this game before finishing it.
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What happens if I drop my geo in the fountain?
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Is this the king? How do I fight him?
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Does anyone have that bug vs. the sun picture?
>>172076508
For 3000 Geo, you too can get the bounty of a devout follower!
>>172076705
Nope. That's a burnt-out mould, a guardian of the King's Palace.
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>>172076705
with the upgraded dreamnail you can awaken him
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>>172076862
Never you mind, found it.
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>>172076163
>mushroom guy
He isn't a part of lore so much as an easter egg, there are probably directions around somewhere, but if you are after the cheevo just look em up.
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what does the elegant key open?
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>>172078512
A door. In soul sanctum. As per description.
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>Radiance fight

Please tell me there's some dumb tactic to make it easier. I had no trouble with the dream bosses but this asshole killed me about 10 times already
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>Do The Watcher
>Unlock Infected Crossroads
>MFW trying to do the flower quest later on
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>>172080198
>killed me about 10 times
it's kinda the point

Try Deep Crystal+Shadow Strike, I couldn't fathom fighting him w/o them.
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>>172080409
>Deep Crystal
If you mean deep focus, I don't see how taking twice as long to heal is going to be any help. I already have trouble healing
>Shadow Strike
? The charm that makes your dash deal damage ? I don't see how that's going to help either.
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I'm current;y lurking around an area nearby where I got the wall jump, I've already fought False Knight and Hornet, and spotted Hornet dash over some fucking annoying area where you have to do a bunch of parkour shit.
Is there anything specific I should be looking out for? I found that place with the jellyfish but hightailed it out of there when I realized the giant ones kamikaze themselves after they die for two hearts.
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>>172083434
Follows Hornet with your newly acquired abilities, or go challenge the Mantis lords under the village.
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>>172080949
>twice as long
It's not twice as long, it's mildly longer and you need to only heal half the times, try it man, I didn't expect to work either but sooner or later you realize that you either use it or abandon attempts at healing and just run junim.>>172080949
>makes your dash deal damage
It also has undocumented effect of making your dash ~30% longerf. You can dodge trough the swords rather than between them with it.
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>>172080949
This is the game where Deep Focus is only... 20-30% faster than normal focus.
And where Deep Crystal isn't doubly as slow, but more like 1.4 or 1.6

And 5 slots of Nail Extension yields you.... 1.6 in range or some shit
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>>172071146
i just couldnt at the very end
sorry anon
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>>172085983
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>>172085983
Where'd this meme come from, you could see she has a slender body even from what little you see under her skirt. She wouldn't be able to leap around if she looked like this.
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>>172085983
>>172086157
Herrah the Beast THICC genetics, when combined with dat dere Wyrm essence.
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>>172086217
So magical realm bullshit then. Great.
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>>172086048
thank you
>>172086157
honestly i prefer her slender original design , this wasnt intended to be hornet in the first place
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what does the void charm actually do? Aside from making the ghosts in that one area stop attacking you? Now I don't generate passive soul anymore. Feels bad man.
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>>172086157
According to all known laws of jumping, there is no way that Hornet should be able to leap.
It's body is too thick too get it's fat ass off the ground.
Hornet, of course, hops away anyway, becuase Hornet doesn't care what anon thinks is impossible.
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should I be worried?
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>>172088024
>what does the void charm actually do?
Aside from nice passive bonuses like turning your shade passive and one hittable, it allows for One True Ending to happen. Use dream needle when prompted.
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Why is Failed Knight such a piece of shit dreamfight?
I am fine with him being fast and unrelenting.
But not with the insane amount of lag and frame drops that keeps on happening.
Disabling Vsync isn't doing shit
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>>172088024
>>172088471
It also doesn't take up any notches.
>>172088356
Nice.
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>>172088402
You shouldn't be. Look at the achievement, and the charm description.
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>>172088695
What version are you on?
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>>172088859
Latest Steam non beta
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>>172089054
Try beta. And reload the game while you are at it. Game usually starts lagging only after it has been running a while.
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>die
>kill my ghost to get my soul meter and geo back
>done playing for now
>takes way too long to hit [start > exit > load title screen >scroll to quit > yes i'm sure i want to quit nigger]
>hit alt-f4 instead
>game instantly closes

>turn game back on
>have my soul meter in one piece
>all 2k geo is gone though

just thought i'd share this experience in case you feel like your time is precious and you want to quit the game quicker
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>>172088471
I wasn't prompted, and now I sealed Hornet in here with me, rip
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>>172085983
A small edit
>>172088356
i think i have heard this before
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>>172089836
try again ;)
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>>172089916
It's based off the start of the Bee Movie script.
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I thin I'll pass
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>>172090972

they lied.....

not friends.....
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>>172057634
That "claw" looks like the Hollow Knight's mask. I'm guessing it has something to do with the dreamers, since Herrah is one.
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>>172091193
I'm tempted to do it but i have 9k souls on me without a place to spend it.
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>>172091452
There is a stag station nearby.
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>exploit my way to Shade Cloak w/o double jump
>Abyss is fuckmassive platforming section
>game saves you at the fucking Shade Cloak platform, because fuck you
I have NEVER been more scared in this playthrough than when I reloaded my game and saw myself sitting in that fountain. Thank FUCK the only two double jump mandatory spots in the Abyss are on the light house. I did NOT want to have to kite a bunch of siblings around to get back up top.
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>>172069078
When does he say this? After you fight No Eyes? Do you have to give him the flower first?
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>>172091545

I know. I just want to see what happens lol
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>>172091689
well it's a crucial game event I think. Unless you can already go up the top left corner of that room
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>>172065959
I did it with all three lifeblood charms equipped.
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>>172091452
>souls
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eODoFwP_HCo&t=39m18s

You can launch Dung Defender out of his digging with a dive? What other neat things about the bosses do we know?
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literally impossible
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>>172091589
I just made my cheekiest jump yet.

You can make this jump by down attacking off the wall on the left at a very specific point, holding right through the knock back, air dashing to the right, and wall jumping up the rest of the way.

I'm at 88% completion and I've found all of 3 jumps that can't be made under any circumstance w/o double jump.

I'm expecting to start finding more soon though.
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>>172091689
the next stage is easy and you respawn without a bench if you die
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>>172093110
I still can't get through the section with no floor and a bunch of flying enemies. I've sunk multiple hours into attempts.
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>>172093370
the diagonal shooters? I got stuck there too. They have too much health.
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>>172093110
>God Tamer
That's one of the easier parts tho.
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>>172093370
>>172093424
>>172093505
I have spent so much time trying to do this stupid trial even though I know there's no real reward and I have every single attack pattern of every enemy down. I know exactly when and where they will spawn from and the best ways to beat each one. This game was so damn comfy before this trial. I just want to go back to my adventure through bug city but this trial is too damn long
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>>172093787
It helps to have all the mask shards and stalwart shield (or whatever it's called) during this. If you can, use any opportunity to rest, especially before and after the aerial trial.

Also the tamer (whatever she's called) at the end automatically dies (or surrenders) if you kill the slug beast thing.
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>>172093787
Why not come back at max power?
>All Charms
>9 HP
>3 Vessels
And then kick her butt.
Specifically kill the God Tamer before her pet, cause you can easily zone out the Pet and heal.
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>barely sold 60k despite the low price

What went wrong?
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>>172095472
zelda, horizon, and ME came out around the same time
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>>172095472
Not commercialised, streamlined or pandering enough.
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Who's Esmy?
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>>172097953
That's the dead Nailmaster.
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>>172098075
Is he ever mentioned by anyone else?
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>>172089916
>thiccer lines
we're reaching levels of thiccness never before thought possible
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>>172098168
Yes, she is propped up near the Nailmaster's hut in Kingdom's Edge.
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>>172098291
That's just a training dummy, it has the same mask as the big hoppers in Kingdom's Edge.
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Has anyone tried postponing triggering some events until you can get the dream nail and uncover new dialogue?
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>>172070897
Is Hornet really a hornet, or is it just a moniker? She doesn't look like one
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>>172098451
None of the Hoppers or giant Hoppers dream anything nearly as intelligent as this. I even checked the 2 that spawn when you hit it 25 times.
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>>172099120
I think those are just Oro's thoughts imprinted on the dummy. There are statues, like Dashmaster's and Radiance's statues, that can be dreamnailed too.
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>randomly come back to the crossroads while exploring
>the whole place has aids now
what the fuck happened? Is it my fault?
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>>172099289
It happens when you kill the Broken Vessel or one of the dreamers.
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>>172089693
Motherfucker you didn't save?
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>>172099676
there's no save button. the "autosave" symbol shows up after you smacc your ghost
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>>172099286
Dashmaster's statue is where he's buried. Only the living or previously alive can be nailed.
Which is why you can't Dream Nail False Knight's armor even though logically it would be imprinted with his desires.
>>172098590
I've been meaning to check what False Knight's mace says.
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>>172057634
Where the fuck is this shit? Weaver's Den or Beast Den?
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>>172099854
Weaver's den. First breakable wall is left of the balcony. 2nd is left of the upper ledge.
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>>172099372
Can I turn it back to normal?
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>>172100186
Nope, sorry
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>>172099902
Thank you. I tried hitting that first wall a bunch of times but must have just had shit luck.
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>>172101678
You can instantly break a breakable wall with a Vengeful Spirit.
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Finally.
Sub 5 hour any%, hunter's mark and mushroom are easy but far too annoying and meaningless so fuck those.
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>>172105365
>Steel Soul
I'd still like a harder difficulty mode where you start with most of the loot, but all the bosses are made more difficult. Diamond Soul mode or some shit.
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>>172105365
Nice
>>172106207
I just want a boss rush mode
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>>172067307
Inventory drop was considered to be allowed by src community as non-glitch

Yeah, there is a lot of glitches, including 2 types of OOB and float - that's why glitched runs are boring, you can get anywhere and skip most bosses.
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>>172106207
I want the bosses to be harder in general, and maybe scale a little to player progress. Right now the majority of the bosses can be shat on if you're smart, or lucky, with the order you run into them in. On my first blind playthrough the stronger crystal head laser guy pushed my shit in because I got there with a level 2 nail, and on steel soul I just waited until I had fully upgraded nail and I think I killed him in less than 10 hits while taking zero damage. Hollow knight himself is also a complete joke with shadow dash, easier than all the dream bosses really.
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RIP No double jump run. Other than completing the final Colosseum round which I haven't managed yet this is as far as you can get without the double jump ability.
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>>172113039
You can't do White Palace without double jump?
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>>172113391
You can't even get there. It takes a double jump in the Ancient Basin to get there and I tried cheesing it with my shade, but it despawns before it gets close enough to the jump. There's no destructible with knock back or enemy that path finds under that spot either.
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>>172113628
How close does the shade get before it despawns? Maybe you could use Heavy Blow to knock it over there faster
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>>172113039
>>172113391
>>172113628
Actually, you can do Abyss without DJ easily.

And you can get into WP too.

There are 2 places in WP where you can't use DJ, first one is here:

gfycat.
com/DecisiveRashKinglet

the 2nd one is later
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The rest does not require DJ.

i assume we talking no glitches either?
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>>172114339
>There are 2 places in WP where you can't use DJ, first one is here:
I mean "where you can't progress without using DJ"
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>>172114275
It's proximity based, not time based. I've tried knocking it around, it disappears when it crosses an invisible threshold.

Outside of glitching the game I don't think it's possible to procede

>>172114339
>Actually, you can do Abyss without DJ easily.
Well yeah, you only "need" DJ for 2 jumps on the lighthouse and one in the very end of the charm challenge room. The first two you can get past by pogoing off enemies and the last you can use a spike wall.
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>>172105365
Did you fight radiance?
>>
Finally finished the true ending. I understand that it's basically just a massive hivemind vs. individualism shitfling contest between a supposed god and a self-proclaimed god.

But can anyone explain to me the Abyss and the Void? Are the vessels along with that whole area entirely artificial for the sake of the King's goals? If so, how did he do it? If not, then what actually is it?
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>>172115775

>But can anyone explain to me the Abyss and the Void? Are the vessels along with that whole area entirely artificial for the sake of the King's goals? If so, how did he do it? If not, then what actually is it?
Thanks to dark souls storytelling the its hard to say with any accuracy. To me the best interpretation is the void, like essence, is a force of nature as it were, Vessels were created from the void combining it's power with wyrms, how is too up to debate, but generally speaking sacrificing living beings or twisting king's own children are seen as most plausible scenario given surrounding lore, because the process was prone to failure a lot of them were discarded into what later became the abyss, their corpses, masks, clothing forming the ground their shades forming the abyss itself.
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>>172115775
I think it's a little bit of both. It was always there as the eventual end point of all life in Hallownest and the King found a way to tap into something far far darker to combat the Radiance.
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>>172115775
Abyss predates King, as Lemm points out there were civilization, albeit may be not as centralized and advanced, before Hallownest.

King/Wyrm just harnessed its power for his needs.

Abyss was constructed mostly, think of it as a some kind of mine/archeological construction into forgotten and abandoned bowels of earth
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>>172116762
>>172116684
>>172116470
Ah that makes sense. Much obliged lads. That was probably one of the few things that really bugged me after I finished it aside from the fact whether the King himself was alive or not. I presumed he was when I reached SMB Palace.
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>>172117086
We don't know if he is alive or dead, White Palace is just a dream/echo, not actual place.

I suppose there is a reason they left it as a mystery for possible sequel
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>big bad is moth-like
>leads the bugs around like moths to a flame using its radiant light

Pottery.
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>>172117129
I think we can safely say that the pale king is dea, while WP is memory/echo it still his corpse on the throne, can't be more direct than that. However, It is mentioned that king was wyrm reincarnated in changed form, there are any number of interpritations of this from pute bs propaganda like the "mind this kingdom grants" to him being literally wyrm in bug body, to him being a higher being like radiance. And that makes it possible that Wyrm is still alive in a new form, tho I personally don't buy that interpritation because you'd think someone so dedicated to sealing radiance would do something when seals began to unravel.
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>>172115775
His goal was saving Hallownest from Radiance's butthurt infection and make the thousand-year bugreich.

>>172116762
>for his needs.
What? King literally saved the bugkind. Before King they were just brainwashed puppets for Radiance, just like the enemies in game.
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>>172117349
Nice fanfic, please put on fanfiction.net when finish it
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>>172117586
>Before King they were just brainwashed puppets for Radiance, just like the enemies in game.
I dont think you paid enough attention to the game lore and you completely misunderstood Radiance character.

The fact that both are complex and controversial figures make the lore soo good and fresh but you apparently is too stuck in your usual tropes and too numb to leave safe and familair space.
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>>172117903
Nice opinion, please shove it up your ass.

>>172117586
>Before King they were just brainwashed puppets for Radiance
Again, that's one interpretation, another is that Wyrm and Radiance set up the bastardised theocracy together after convincing locals to stop worshipping Essence and then tore it apart fighting for who and how should rule it.
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>>172117985
Explain it then.
>>
I love this game to bits by God the one thing I absolutely loathe about it was how much I got cockteased by a boss fight that never existed.

Expect a thing at the very top of Crystal Peak. Nah.
Expect something in the Hive. Nope. They even have a huge bee in the backdrop mocking you.
Expect something at the edge of the Howling Cliffs. Nothing.
Genuinely get hyped for something in the Abyss. Fucking nothing.
Get really fucking hyped a second time in the Palace. The boss fight was the ball-aching platformer all along.

I love it to bits but holy shit I felt extremely blueballed. In the Abyss especially. At least the build-up to the final fight was 10/10.
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>>172118509
I think it's mostly they didn't have money to make bossfights for every place that deserved one.
But on the other hand there are places where lack of boss is clearly intentionallike abyss, where you expect an ancient evil to lurk beneath only to find out that it is not root of evil but merely a consequence, or hunter that dos whol "drop floor, scream out" only to give you his reward and pat you on the head.
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>>172118218
I think it is fairly obvious how game has no "bad guys" or "antagonists" and "protagonists". None of the characters portrayed in any simple color.

First of all, the King. He was driven only be selfish motives mostly but even so, these selfish motives did bring the bloom of bugkind civilization. Without him, Hallownest as it is would not exist. Yet throughout whole game it was hinted his aim wasn't the well-being of bugs but rather his interest in power and being solitary ruler/god/king.

Radiance wasn't an antagonist for King as well, it just something King saw as an obstacle in his plans and he just wanted to get rid of her like you would get rid of annoying fly. There is literally no emotional paint of his feelings towards radiance, no Cloud <->Septhiroth type of classic clash. Radiance as aproblem that needed to be solved, notheng personell, hatchling.

Same goes for Radiance. There is barely any characterization of her but if you dream nail her in battle you


<entry name="RADIANCE_1">...ANCIENT ENEMY...</entry>
<entry name="RADIANCE_2">...I DO NOT FEAR YOU...</entry>
<entry name="RADIANCE_4">...I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN...</entry>
<entry name="RADIANCE_3">...LET ME BE FREE...</entry>
<entry name="RADIANCE_5">...DAWN WILL BREAK...</entry>
<entry name="RADIANCE_6">...THE LIGHT CANNOT BE CONSUMED...</entry>

You clearly can see this creature barely cares much for any dumb grudges. It is more akin to some primal force/elemental. It is neither bad no good, it exist.

Also, the whole part with hivemind is taken way too far. When I back then suggested this idea I never meant the actual "classic" hivemind, more like, Radiance was present in every bug's mind as a form of metaphorical light i.e. they did have personality but they shared the room with Radiance. She was part of them, not like hivemand when everyone is merged.
But!
Plague inverted it. twisted it and turned into actual form hivemind, which is why they are like zombies.
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>>172121783
(cont)

The Seer also talk about Old Light with some melancholy and a bit passionate. She regrets forgetting it. If it was such a bad time it would be a different expression of feelings.

This is why I said that it is not so simple to make judgement of both ,Radiance and King, so easy. Game does not cares much about following old good tropes.
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>>172095472
Should sell for a few more when the switch version comes out.
But yeah, no washed-up memes, not colored enough for tumblr, and not enough obviously non-binary characters.

People hate good things.
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>>172099286
Sheo speak of a grave near his brother's location.
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>>172105365
Oh my.
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>>172121914
>Old Light with some melancholy and a bit passionate
She is talking about light of essence, as she reveals if you bring her a 2400 charged needle it turns out that her tribe used to worship essence but turned to radiance she besmirches them a lot for it and seeks to follow the Old Ways and return to essence.
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This white palace is sure is fucking bullshit
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I never got to see Zote in the arena, how do I do it?
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>>172124850
Use charms and look for shortcuts.
>>172124912
Find him in every other place he shows up and keep him alive.
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>hey do you want to take this flower
>sure
>oh by the way if you take damage it's gonna disappear
>wait what
This is bullshit.
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>>172123445
Absolutely wrong.

>The moth tribe were (perhaps) descended from Radiance. However, the King convinced them somehow to seal Radiance away. I guess so he could rule Hallownest with his singular vision, as a monarch/god with no other gods.The moths sealed Radiance away by forgetting about her. Hallownest was born and flourished. However, the memory of Radiance lingered (eg the statue at hallownest's crown) and soon she began to reappear in dreams and starting exerting influence. The King and the bugs of hallownest resisted this memory/power and it started to manifest as the infection. Thus the first attempt to seal Radiance failed, and the King had to try another method - the Vessel.

from in-game files
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>>172126208
No, this is challenging.
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>>172089693
Yeah, its a gigantic bitch.
Its even worse if you die, or get a freeze due inventory menu failing to load.
Because you lose the ghost, and the geo.
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>>172099289
Yes, it is.
It also makes the flower transport a gigantic bitch to do.
You don't even gain any bonuses for collecting the masks either.
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>>172089693
I just cheated the geo back in.
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So who was Elder Hu?
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>>172114843
No but I can fairly consistently cheese it with the max lifeblood + shaman stone abyss shriek setup on my non steel soul save so I didn't bother. I could go for it now that I have the steel heart achievement though.

>>172126208
There's only 1 real tricky section on the fastest route and you can skip it by taking a detour. The "strategy" for this challenge is just having pure nail + fragile strength + nailmaster's glory and one shotting every enemy on the way with nail arts so they can't touch you. Look up some guides on youtube.
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>>172129352
Read his journal entry.

Some guy who went to tend to those affected by plague. They killed him.
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>>172129352
The leader of some monks who probably left Hallownest after his death.
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>>172131893
>>172131895
Okay what about the faggot in the greenpath temple, and the executed guy in the resting grounds?

I keep accidentally killing or attacking these people before I can listen to them.
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>>172126593
>GORGEOUS_HUSK_1: Glorious! Glorious! Yesss!
>GORGEOUS_HUSK_2: You're beautiful! I'm beautiful!
>GORGEOUS_HUSK_3: My light is the only true light! Follow me!
Damn the Dream Nail dialogue is hilarious.
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>>172132087
No Eyes went insane during the plague and told people to rip off infected parts from their body (in her case her eyes were infected so she ripped them off).

Xero has the least amount of lore and just betrayed the king. No-one knows why, but maybe it's because Pale King was a cuck who imposed sacrifices on others when the plague hit and he wanted Hallownest to last forever.
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Traitor Lord is a fucking moron
>be strong lord of a strong tribe
>everyone respects you and you have an harem of 3 mantis chicks
>throw that all away to be Radiance's bitch
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>>171906808

Reminder that your waifu got CRYSTALED
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How do I get to this qtbug at the top right of deepnest? Does it have something to do with this unexplored bit of the map going up I can't ascend?
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>>172132693
Are we sure he's not a female? I thought he was a male too but i seem to recall seeing something that made me change my mind recently. Can't remember what though.
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>>172132827
Hidden wall around here.
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>>172132827
Breakable wall to the left of it.
And no, that unexplored bit is just A mask shard.
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>>172132959
>>172132962
Thank you! I did look for that, guess not hard enough.
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>>171908125
>Nosk
Just found this whilst clearing up grubs. The concept of its character is so fucking spooky.
>When you realise what all the thoughts of the corpses meant
What do you make of the fact that the "loved one" it mimics is yourself?
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>>172132953
Hunters journal mentions Mantis Lord being female
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>>172126593
>>172132303
Is there an easy accessible text dump anywhere?
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What's the white fragment used for? just went through hell getting a useless charm
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>>172134585
https://mega.nz/#!HYUxgA7B!sUbzqiz6Xahp91LjudH6MwbYfyASaUW3HkOSS5QUudI

Extracted using someone else's method from reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/5x75vy/piecing_story_together_history_lore/ so I can't promise everything's in there.

>>172135180
Go find the Queen.
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>>172135180
Get the other half and find out.
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>>172135221
>https://mega.nz/#!HYUxgA7B!sUbzqiz6Xahp91LjudH6MwbYfyASaUW3HkOSS5QUudI
Thanks.
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>>172126593
Again, drag your ass to moth with 2400 essence and hear her tell it.
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>>172140748
>Again, drag your ass to moth with 2400 essence and hear her tell it.
I have all her dialogue.
But all you have is seems to be your own understanding of what she said.

She is not the only one calling Radiance "Old Light". Monomon in her Archive used OLDLIGHT too, along with KINGLIGHT

You did not pay enough attention to in-game lore and we both know it so what the point of you defending your position you know is wrong?
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>>172131245
Hm thanks, doing IS now and wanted to know if I have to chance It. It's easier for me with sustain instead of rush build, but that's personal preference and all.
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>>172134138
It actually mimics a fellow Vessel, it just looks like you because out of character player may or may not know PC's nature. There are other Vessel corpses in his dump
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>>172140978
>You did not pay enough attention
You are pushing your interpretation as cannon despite there being plenty conflicting information. Your position is that you know everything exactly and game is designed to avert it being at all possible please stop being a pompous ass for one moment and think about it.
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>>172141456
Please, is this your comeback?
If you did bother to browse some community you'd know that a lot of people who jumped into lore came to the same conclusion that Radiance was called "The Old Light". And here are you, a special snowflake, trying to prove me and everyone else wrong on something that was referenced definitively in the game with no second interpretations.

Speaking of
>You are pushing your interpretation

Get your head out of your ass
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>>172141785
You are pushing the idea that radiance was OK, and that poor old moth misses it, whilst she is helping you revive tradition that came before radiance I have no desire to die on a hill for this or that pet theory, but the notion that you feel obliged to call me special snowflake just for pointing a hole in your "radiance did nothing wrong" preaching tells me what kind of a stuck up ass hole you

>browse some community
should I post the marine copypasta to show you how stupid and arrogant you sound?
>with no second interpretations
I just gave you one. Oh sure I could be entirely wrong, but the only sign pointing in that direction that you provided is Monomon using it elsewhere. Meanwhile we have the moth saying that Essence is sipping into people's dreams and have an entire game mechanic build around it to point to the contrary.
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>>172142691
>You are pushing the idea that radiance was OK, and that poor old moth misses it, whilst she is helping you revive tradition that came before radiance I have no desire to die on a hill for this or that pet theory, but the notion that you feel obliged to call me special snowflake just for pointing a hole in your "radiance did nothing wrong" preaching tells me what kind of a stuck up ass hole you

>"hey, thing A mans thing B"
>"no, thing A pretty much indicates thing C, you are wrong"
>"oh no, you don't understand I wasn't talking about thing A"

Seriously? Changing the subject mid-way to avoid uncomfortable discussion? You argued, to my reply, that Old Light the moth tribe praised was Essence, I said it is irrelevant proved you wrong, by specifying that Old Light referenced Radiance. And now you trying to crawl your way back using completely different points? That's just sad, have some self-respect.

It had nothing to do with my interpretation of how moth sees Radiance, I wouldn't argue this one to death, it just my own idea.
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Hey /hkg/, some work doodles
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>>172143243
2cute, good job.
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Do you have unlimited tries on the gray mourner? I'm on my second attempt, at fog canyon. Also, exactly where in Queen's Garden do I take this? Plus what do I miss if I don't give it to the elder?
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>>172143243
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>>172143243
this thicc meme should end right now

it is disgusting
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>>172146202
Ireland pls
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Can't stop drawing the cutie
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>>172145314
>Do you have unlimited tries on the gray mourner?
Yes
>Also, exactly where in Queen's Garden do I take this?
tiny room above the station
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what do
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>>172147565
Up magic
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>>172147565
race mix the ghosts
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Ok so
>developed by 3 aussies+1 composer
>barely gets 60k on kickstarter
>takes a loan from indiefund
>developers switched from stencyl to unity after 1 year of development
>despite all this, finish game in 2 years of development (adding content that wasn't met on kickstarter) and the game is 30-40 hours long

Was this game literally made with black magic? It feels too good to be made by 4 guys in 2 years.
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>>172148116
I think it fits the definition of "lightning in a bottle"
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>>172148116
>black magic
It's called passion.This is what happens when people are both willing to plan their development and deal with problems as they come. And of course I bet they worked more than 9 to 5 on it.
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>>172148509
You mean "lightning bug in a bottle"
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>>172148116
What >>172148631 said. They wanted to make a quality product, not get paid for it. I'm more than happy to buy anything they pump out if it keeps this level of quality and detail work.
I'm really curious to see how they'll handle the White Palace expansion that's seemingly coming with 2 whole bosses.
>Inb4 the Queen's Mould gets the other half of the Palace or something
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>>172148631
Passion is definitely one of the main factors, but it feels odd to see such a small team make such a great game. Perhaps my standards for indie games are simply too low.

Anyways I hope the game sells well. The devs deserve it honestly and 60k copies sold is a far smaller amount than most people realize (mainly because indiefund takes a 25% cut of sales and steam takes a 30% cut, leaving the devs only a 45% cut of total sales).
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>>172146202
True. I'm not purely against it but stop pushing it. Also, staying on model is more tasteful anyway.
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Is there a major fight in the Weaver's den ?
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>>172150515
Nope.
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>>172147090
I help.
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>>172151320
Thanks.
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>>172151901
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Now this is just too much.
>>>/trash/8316013
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>>172148116
>get paid by kickstarter
>still ask money for the game
>ask for more money to bring out DLC

jews
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>>172154136
It's a well-known fact that most games can't be made on Kickstarter money alone.
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Spoonfeed me
Where is the thing that allows me to bypass the Dark Gates
And how do I actually get it? As far as I see, the entire of The Abyss is walled off, and i don't have the nail needed to do anything about the Kingly figure in fruit of ruins.
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>>171908125
I first got to the Nosk fight after finding the collector map and getting the grub nearby. At that point I had quick slash and second best nail so Nosk went down really fast on my first try. Pretty disappointing, it would've been cooler to find it while going to through deepnest.
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>>172156076
you need blackdash which you get in abyss. to get into abyss you need item that you get in kingdoms edge
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>spend several hours trying to beat the Colosseum of Fools w/o double jump
>finally manage to do it when the bullshit wave I kept having trouble with comprised of a bunch of Battle Obbles finished in a few seconds because 3 of them suicided into the spikes immediately
Finally tally on my no double jump run is in, pic related

>>172156076
>Where is the thing that allows me to bypass the Dark Gates
Ass end of the Abyss. There's like 2 detours and one requires a bunch of blue hp to enter and the other's a single room so you won't get lost. You can more or less yolo jump to the bottom.
>And how do I actually get it? As far as I see, the entire of The Abyss is walled off
Go to the ass end of Kingdom's Edge and you'll find a sword trainer, back to the left you'll find a path up to a room with one of those gates to the right, go up from that room and then the upper right corner of the next room leads to where you get the key to the Abyss. If you find a platforming section "requiring" the double jump, that's your clue you're on the right track.
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>>172157485
>no double jump run
For what purpose?
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>>172157485
Are you done with everything you can do without double jump?
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>>172157485
I don't mean the blue room. I mean the gigantic room where there is a soul container and a salty "I return to the sea" faggot.
Or is this another wonderful design element where I need to kill EVERYTHING with the Dream Nail, in order to finally get a Upgrade for it, so I can stab the faggot who is at the Palace Ruins?
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>>172157485
>Ass end of the Abyss
>Go to the ass end of Kingdom's Edge
>Ass end
?
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>>172157894
>For what purpose?
I was basically treating it as a no sword run from Zelda

>>172157897
>Are you done with everything you can do without double jump?
Yes

>>172158049
>I don't mean the blue room
Neither did I. I was saying it WASN'T in there. Just fall down the giant fuckpit and go right, climb the lighthouse, turn it on, then keep going right until you fight the ominous fountain and jump in

>>172158137
The key to the Abyss is in the ass end of Kingdom's Edge. The cloak upgrade that lets you go through the dark barriers is at the ass end of the Abyss. You have to go ass to ass.
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>>172158423
>fight
find*
You generally shouldn't fight fountains unless they are attacking you and this one won't be.
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>>172158423
>Lighthouse
>turn it on
???????????????????
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>>172080260
Go through the city of tears into fog canyon. Pretty easy route, and the queens garden part is pretty short too.
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>>172158590
Are you in the Abyss or the Basin? The Abyss is in the bottom of the Basin. The lighthouse is in the bottom of the Abyss. It's a bigass climbing section full of spooky ghosts right before a really rapey sea of darkness. It's hard to miss.
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UGH, what's with the map system in this game? Why is it so obtuse?
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>>172159069
Yes, but how would you turn it on?
You can't dreamnail it.
You can't attack it

And we are left with...
Focus?
Crystal Charge?
????
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>>172161489
You flip the switch at the top
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>>172159595
Its fun
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>you will never experience hollow knight for the first time again
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>>172159595
The goal is to make player navigate the game rather than the map. It gets that done, but whether or not it's a good goal is a matter of taste
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>>172166182
>you will never experience Super Metroid for the first time again
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What the hell am I supposed to do here? I can't go under, I can't go over. At least, I've tried both several times and can't.
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>>172166462
Drop, dash, jump and you can barely reach the side of that platform from the bottom.
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>>172166625
Alright! Thank you.
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Trying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIsgZSHbPc4&index=3&list=LLhFlADabKyRRcLNkGbL9ShQ&t=956s route and holy shit those crystal mines in the dark are a purge if i ever saw one.
I was not ready. Fuck my life;
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>>172166625
That's stupid, just downsmash next to the blades.

I skipped like 1/4 of the platforming with downsmashes off spears/spikes/blades

Mark of Pride, Grubsong, Dashmaster, and Hiveblood trivializes that entire place. That+figuring out you can hug the wall and not get hit by blades in certain sections with a double jump.
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hey

give me something simple to draw


has anyone managed to extract the soundtracks just yet?

>>172044486
oh i didn't see you earlier, thank you anon.
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>>172167019
Quirrel chilling on top of the big ass Jellyfish from the Archives.
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>>172167019
Hollow Knight fighting against O&S from Dark Souls 1
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>>172168440
What kind of bugs would O&S be?
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>>172168786
Maggot and a grasshopper methinks.
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>>172169840
I was thinking grasshopper and beetle. Maggot is too fat and long I think.
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>>172167019
Hornet farting
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>>172169958
A beetle came to mind first, then i thought of False Knight, whose armor is pretty comparable to Smough.
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>>172170328
I suppose, but false knight was a really weak slug in a cool suit of armor, but Smough is ripped as shit.
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>Oh! There is a deposit limit, maybe if I deposit 4500 geo I will unlock something
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>>172172248
absolutely rude
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>>172168440
Mantis Lords are clearly Ornstein, and Ornstein & Ornstein.

Watcher Knights are Smough, and Smough & Smough, and Smough & Smough, and Smough & Smough.
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>>171989112
Hey now, he's actually doing okay against bosses.

It's everything else he struggles with.
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>>172064695
Hollow Knight, Plane Scape, FTL, Shovel Knight, Divinity Original Sin just to name 5.
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>>172063623
So for the Hornet playable character it implies that she'll have her own quests and abilities,but is it only going to be a smaller instanced dungeon/series of areas where you play as her? Or are you going to be able to start the game and pick her or Hollow Knight?
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>>172074484
So has anyone ever managed to find the spider that rolls away from you in this place?
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>>172093110
>God Tamer
>Hard

What are you talking about? she might be one of the easiest bosses in the entire game.

Rather then get harder as you fight she gets simpler and her attacks are easy as sin to read.
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Is it better than Shovel Knight?
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>>172172248
Now... Where should a scammer go to spend her hard-earned geos?
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>>172117272
Well yeah the Moth Girl who shows you the ways of the dream nail talks about this.
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>>172175991
>Rather then get harder as you fight she gets simpler and her attacks are easy as sin to read.
You can literally face tank that entire fight
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>>172176090
I think so yeah, but honestly the games are pretty different.
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>>172168440

>>172168786
Smough is a beetle for sure
>>172174263
this is true
>>172175027
egg is god awuful at any sense of direction in a 2d plane. kind of infuriating.

at least he will not spend +1 hour fighting lost kin
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>>172176090
They are different games.

Shovel Knight is an amazing platformer, while Hollow Knight is a MetroidVania.

They can't really be compared.
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FUCK, I knew that was sketchy, where's my geo dudes?
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>>172176486
MetroidVania is a style of platformer
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>>172176452
>at least he will not spend +1 hour fighting lost kin

I wanted Nick to just leave and come back later. But holy fuck did that go on too long.

Yeah NL has no sense of direction and has no attention to detail. He's gonna get lost a lot.
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>>172176519
You got jew'd, son.

You can get your geo back in City of Tears. You need to open the door with the bathhouse sign.
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>>172176519
>where's my geo dudes?
Hotspring, you need a simple key to get it though.
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>>172176563
I'd still argue the two games are far to different to be correctly compared.
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>>172176634
>He's gonna get lost a lot.
I love how he thinks he's going to finish before the 20 hours mark
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>>172176452
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>>172177148
Yeah, he's right about him beating games faster then most, but in a game like this not knowing where to go will fuck you over more then looking for a secret.
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>>172177148
There is absolutely no way he will do the true ending, even if nick tells him about it. Then he`ll complain that people want him to do it, and then declare hollow knight to be another pretentious indie game like undertale and then refuse to think any further about it.
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>>172177565
Actually he has a better chance at doing this then most.

The true ending involves him getting 3 extra "charms" and having the awoken dream nail.

All in all that's not too hard to accomplish if he's told about it by nick.
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>when your dream nail is woke af
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>>172177951

>NL listening to Nick

Do we watch the same egg?
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>>172178256
ehh, he got him to play the game at least.

But you're mostly right.
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>>172176452
Man, that's much better than expected.
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>>172159595
In a genre that is based around exploration, this map system works quite well. I like that if you die, the path gets updated anyway.
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>>172167019
Download the Soundtrack on Bandcamp
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>>172176486
>>172176090
Yes, they can be compared. Both have platforming, both have tough bosses, etc.

IMHO, the quality and quantity of the bosses in Hollow Knight is better. Also, HK has better atmosphere, music, controls, art direction and graphics
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So the charms that give you blue hp are basically there exclusively so you can fuck Radiance up with sword beams once you run out of mp, right?
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>>172181954
>Sword beams
It has an internal cooldown that renders Quick Slash moot.
You're better off using Shaman Stone, Spell Twister, Stalwart Shell, Steady Body, Grubsong, and whatever 1-slot for Radiance and spamming up spell.
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>>172181954
>sword beams
Do reduced damage.
>blue hp
They are for Shaman Stone rush strategies.
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>>172181954
Just grab the combo for 18 blue hearts with shaman stone and unload abyss shrieks whenever you can. Speeds the fight up a lot and is quite a bit safer if you're on steel soul.
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>>172182204
>It has an internal cooldown that renders Quick Slash moot.
No, no it doesn't. I literally just did this fight.

>>172182268
>Do reduced damage.
And don't lock you in place/are spammable/let you just sit on the ground and spam attack instead of having to jump
>They are for Shaman Stone rush strategies.
What does blue hp have to do with spell damage?
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>>172180770
That isn't complete. It doesn't have the Abyss droning, the Dreamers' theme, or the music that plays when you ascend from the Abyss (except for the viola that plays during the final boss).
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>>172182365
>is quite a bit safer if you're on steel soul.
I took 4 damage during the entirety of phase one
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>>172182627
That doesn't go against my point at all. 4 damage on 8 life, albeit recoverable, is less safe than 4 damage on 18 life, which uses spare soul to dump shrieks. Your personal performance doesn't matter.
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>>172182503
>And don't lock you in place/are spammable
Yes but you are sacrificing 3 charm slots. Which is better used for shaman stone. if you are rushing and for a grandiose number of other things if you aren't.
>What does blue hp have to do with spell damage?
It's the only damage big enough that's worth the downside of having no healing. Plus it allows to redirect all your soul into one avenue rather than usual mix and match.

Look if it works for you it works for you. I'm sure my go to build for Radiance would look even more absurd to most people. I prefer sustain with Deep Focus Long/Quick nail and Shadow strike. The last one is for dodging trough swords rather than between them.
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>>172182832
>8 life
14 life, and you're more likely to take damage having to jump to attack to refill soul to keep spamming upA, which you can do anyway once you run out of your 6 blue hearts.
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>>172183119
>you're more likely to take damage having to jump to attack to refill soul
And you don't do this? How are you damaging Radiance at all then?
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>>172183347
He uses grub lase amulet, obviously. That's the point of this discussion, no?
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>>172183347
Nevermind didn't read, didn't realize you were the guy talking about the elegy ranged attack.
Although I don't see how jumping to attack "locks you in place" when you can move and dash just fine.
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>>172176648
>>172176676
thanks, that bitch gave me more money that I gave her.

These kind of details, omg. GOTY
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I definitely hear a collectible in King's Station. But I see no way to get anywhere.
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So, do you think the game is supposed to be a complete fantasy world, or a fantasy version of a regular bug colony in the real world? As in, do you think the game takes place on "Earth?"
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>>172186559
Bounce on the roof.
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>>172183602
>Although I don't see how jumping to attack "locks you in place" when you can move and dash just fine.
That was in reference to magic spam
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>>172186559
>hear a collectible in King's Station
I 100%ed the game with virtually no help and I still have no idea what people are talking about when they say they can hear collectibles.

I think that shit might be outside my range of hearing.
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>>172186642
>As in, do you think the game takes place on "Earth?"
Lolno
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The fuck happens to Tiso after you see him in the Colosseum basement?

Also when do you meat the Dung Defender again? I think the weird order I played the game fucked with some Colosseum event flags.
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>>172188129
Damn, good hearing.

>>172189548
You find his corpse on the cliffs below the Colosseum.

As for Dung Defender, visit his boss room or dive just below the acid lever in the boss room.
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>>172189654
Corpse or ghost?
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>>172189979
Corpse.
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>>172190036
RIP
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this is backer concept art of tiso
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What kind of bug is the Pale King? Assuming he even is one.
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Alright lads, here's my partial log of Hollow Knight. This log lacks all character quests and lore stuff prior to Resting Grounds and the Dream Nail, and a lot of shopkeeper content. Use to update the wiki or whatever.

>>172190721
A wyrm.
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>>172190721
Cicada
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>>172190863
And I forget the fucking link.
https://mega.nz/#!6NcwxQJK!0PlDsOjtOwWWJpJBESkbjVFLY4S43kL3O86f2c6jNY0
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>>172190721
Graboid
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>>172190613

It really isn't bad, all things considered. It's a cool concept.
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>>172189654
i thought Tisa was strong, i kinda expected to fight him in the colo
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cool, I killed the sun and now the world is filled with darkness. How is this a good thing.
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>We will never know how and why the MC got out of the Abyss, had adventures elsewhere, and knew to come back
Was it the Root? I bet it was the Root.

Also, why the actual fuck do the bees and mantes not fucking move? This is a localized apocalypse. Fuck, there are clear signs that the mantes are at constant war with the fucking silverfish. Who the fuck fights to stay in a home in the middle of a zombie apocalypse when YOU CAN LEAVE THE APOCALYPSE. The fungi I can forgive since they seem to benefit from exposure to the Radiance, and the Fools are clearly insane in the first place, but anyone else hanging around in there with the ability to get out should get out.

Excepting the cunt in the city and the nailsmith. I'm not sure how she's finding food, but she's clearly getting by just fine despite having no combat skills, and the blacksmith probably made bank until you kill him cause people fighting zombies need weapon smiths.
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>>172192370
The sun was a cunt and had it coming. The darkness mellowed the fuck out after it toured Europe or whatever the fuck the MC did before it took control over the Abyss.
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>>172192418
>bees
>leaving
Their Queen is dead m8, and the rest of them are in a hivemind that can't reason logically.

The mantises are batshit, that much is true. That said, they aren't that exposed to the infection, given that they are deep in the Fungal Wastes and comparatively far from the core influence of the Radiance. The dirtcarvers or silverfish aren't actually that much of a threat and are a steady supply of meat, and I suspect it was infection brought by Elder Hu that caused the Traitor Lord to defect in the first place.
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>>172192418
Wait a sec-THAT MOTHERFUCKER HAD MY GEO!
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>>172192418
The Mantises are a warrior tribe, this is the kind of shit they live for. And the bees are pretty safe, or were until you broke in.
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>>172192980
>Their Queen is dead m8,
Then who's that fat bitch behind the ghost?
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Why does this game have a general?
Also the crystal guy guarding the one bench takes too many hits to beat
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>>172193127
That's her corpse.
The ghost is her old self before she got fukken fat. Her ideal self.
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>>172193319
The mods moved a thread from /v/ to /vg/ and we've been sealed here ever since
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>>172193319
>Also the crystal guy guarding the one bench takes too many hits to beat
That fight is buggy as all fuck. I had the boss name pop up repeatedly in a single fight on multiple occasions, then he just up and died in like 12 hits on my last attempt despite me not getting a damage upgrade.
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So I'm in the abyss and I'm wondering if the room to the bottom left of the pit has any significance.The room with a block of bones at the end.
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>>172193825
Up magic on the platform
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>>172193825
Scream at the sky.
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>>172193825
>>172194051
thanks. i was gonna try some magic on it but i had that glowing womb charm equipped and couldn't save soul.
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did they fix the lag yet?
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>just found out I missed a secret room in the White Palace
damn
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>>172195721
It's just a tablet with a bit of lore.
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>>172198848
>TFW they add Hollow Knight to Shovel Knight
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>>172199397

>Cut down his health bar and he does the reular skull-crack shade explosion animation

>Phase 2
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>the king was a manlet
What do you think about it?
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>>172199551
whats the item you'd get from hollowknightzone is the question, or hell what would you get at all from fighting hollowknight if you get anything, best I can think of is the downward smash soul move, somehow.
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>>172199992
>manlet
>has a THICC Queen
>still scores with THICC Herrah on the side
>impregnates her
Lanklet bugs BTFO

On a more serious note, he deliberately chose to appear as a bug. Not sure why, but there it is.
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>>172200635
You think Hornet's so anti-social because she has spent the last several hundred years living with her radish stepmom?

>>172199992
>the king was a manlet
That's post Wyrm. Wyrm was the biggest bug ever
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I guess he got tired of being HUGE
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>>172201104
>Hornet
Probably, especially since she was cucking her father with a literal shitposter.
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>>172201104
>Radish stepmom
Kek.
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Does this "stalker temple" really exist or am I getting rused.
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Markoth > Marmu > Elder Hu > Xero > Galien > No Eyes > Gorb
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>>172200635
>>still scores with THICC Herrah on the side
>>impregnates her
He could not though, Herrah and whole spider tribe was infertile.

><entry name="SPIDER_GREET">Ahh! It returns. I do apologise about before. Heehee. No matter. No matter. My appetite oft gets the better of me. For now at least, I'm content.Would you hear about myself? There's not so much to say. I'm a servant to the nest, though few in recent times would seek my service.Our brood is lost to that pestilence of the mind. A sad fall for the most intelligent species. Ah, but hmmm. I've eaten yes, and full. Then again, another little morsel would make me oh so happy. The perfect end to a meal...</entry>
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>>172203080
I don't think that supports an inference of infertility.

>few in recent times would seek my service
would appear to be due to
>Our brood is lost to that pestilence of the mind. A sad fall for the most intelligent species
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>>172203080
Doesn't really matter.

Hornet is born of soul and void not seed.
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>>172203423
>I don't think that supports an inference of infertility.
But it does? There is literally a character named MIDWIFE (you know what midwife is, right?) spilling you bills of lore about Spider tribe being infertile. But we know that Hornet is Herrah child. It a simple math - if they were infertile but Herrah still has a child then it is not biological one.

If you keep hammering your headcanon because you like the idea of King and Herrah mating, a few things throughout the game seems redundant:

First, the whole bargain child bargain. You clearly can see it has enormous price and, as mIdwife says, "costed her greatly". If the spider tribe had no issues with their brood for generations before King, what made Herrah sacrifice her and the majority of their tribe for just a child he could have other way? She does not care for Hallownest and their troubles, Deepnest always was separated part and if you dreamnail some dead bodies in Deepnest you can read that "Deepnest resisted Hallownest expansion". Herrah and spiders didn't need nor King nor Kingdom, they had their own.
So, may be, she could not have children, that's why she was ready to pay such price.

Second, Hornet is SPECIFICALLY called GENDERED CHILD. She is referenced few times like that so the player won't miss it. Again, it is kinda redundant to reference it UNLESS it is important. And what do you think is else has spotlight regarding gender? Vessels, genderless creatures of Void.
^this goes along with popular hypothesis that Hornet was created artificially from void too

The whole "King slept with Herrah" has absolutely no evidence or any supportive hints unlike the other hypothesis and we even have some against it.
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>>172067307
I wanted so badly for her to be best girl
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>>172204039
They can't possibly have always been infertile
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>>172204039
Christ, calm down. "The King slept with Herrah" bit is just me shitposting, I'll readily concede that. I just didn't think that the Midwife's statement alone was sufficient evidence, although given the context I'm persuaded.
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>>172204280
>They can't possibly have always been infertile
Nope. As I mentioned, Midwife said:
>"due to pestilence of the mind"
She refers to plague here, the one and only. And plague started to manifest itself long before Hollow Knight (because HK was the second attempt to contain radiance and plague)
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>>172204280
>Matriarchal society
>Stable or successful in any way, ever.

Come on dude there's a reason the spiders and mantises are savages without technology.
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>>172204441
I think Mantisd tribe was somewhat akin to our Sparta. A dedicated tribe of strong warrior, both in body and spirit. That's why they were able to resist plague mostly - they were strong willed individuals and their will was ironed by their ascetic lifestyle.
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>>172204039
Wait, so what makes you think infertility per se is the reason for Herrah's sacrifice, rather than the plague? I know you were responding to the facetious assertion that the King mated with Herrah, but it seems that infertility is the least of the Beast Tribe's problems with the Radiance plague about.

We know from the Husks and Myla that the plague does not merely reanimate dead bodies, but drives the living mad. Viewed in that context, Herrah's sacrifice was clearly in the hopes of sealing off the Radiance and curing the infection within her tribe. In that light, she struck a bargain with the King that she'd be the third Seal (as opposed to the most likely other candidate, the Queen or the King himself) in exchange for the King creating a child of Void that would be immune to the plague.

With this in mind, the Midwife's statements about none needing her services don't necessarily imply that the Tribe was suffering from infertility (or that infertility was the primary reason for Herrah sacrificing herself).

...That said, the very fact that the NPC is named Midwife IS significant, but I can't say to what. We know that the Beast Tribe is currently not infertile, given the plethora of eggs and occasional Deeplings popping out of them to fuck your shit up. Perhaps she was a Midwife only in respect of Hornet's creation? In other words, she assisted in the creation of Hornet, possibly within the Weaver's Den, and is a Midwife in respect of only that singular birth.
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>>172204039
>The whole "King slept with Herrah" has absolutely no evidence or any supportive hints
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dalliance
>3. A sexual relationship, not serious but often illicit.
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>>171933478
>Lost Kin, thought, is by far the hardest boss and the most satisfying one in the game since you only need skill to defeat him
What? You just need enough hp to survive his bullshit dive attack that floods the screen and to remember to kill his summons before starting your heals.

Failed Champion is straight up unbeatable without enough nail upgrades/god tier RNG because even if you perfect his patterns, a boulder spawning into your dodge path will fuck your shit up.

Hardest boss is still Colosseum of Fools followed by Radiance.
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>>172205429
>Wait, so what makes you think infertility per se is the reason for Herrah's sacrifice

That's not what I said or implied. I said that unlike with Lurien the Watcher and Monomon, King had to bargain with Herrah even in the times when plague was common issue. Even if she understood that something must be done about it she still didn't give a shit about King's and Hallownest problems. So how do you bargain with someone like that? Give her something she cannot have anymore, something of value to her. Herrah could not have the "successor" aka Princess so that's what King offered and we know the Beast valued this offer enough.

>We know from the Husks and Myla that the plague does not merely reanimate dead bodies, but drives the living mad.
Not true. Plague manifested differently in each individual. We know that some are able to resist, others consumed entirely and other lived with plague without being affected deeply much (like Maggot aka False Knight). Same goes for Mantis Tribe. I think Deeepnest, due to its nature, wasn't affected so strongly as Hallownest.

>With this in mind, the Midwife's statements about none needing her services don't necessarily imply that the Tribe was suffering from infertility (or that infertility was the primary reason for Herrah sacrificing herself).
But... she says so directly:
>".Our brood is lost to that pestilence of the mind. "

Literally, she says so. There is no double meaning, why do you pretend there is? Is that what you consider an "argument"? Doubting direct in-game info is not an argument, that's not how argumentation works.

(contd)
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>...That said, the very fact that the NPC is named Midwife IS significant, but I can't say to what.
What do you mean by sayin: "there is a whole designed and animated and voiced and scrip[ted character named Midwife that exist just for lore purposes and that spills to us lore about spider tribe and their issues with breeding due to plague but you know what, I can't really pin-point the importance of her existence, hmm..."

> We know that the Beast Tribe is currently not infertile, given the plethora of eggs and occasional Deeplings popping out of them to fuck your shit up.
Pop these eggs in Beast Den - there is nothing inside.

>>172205591
>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dalliance
>3
You know there is at least 2 more meanings? And "dalliance" does not necessarily means sexual", it just one of the meanings. Just giving Herrah even artificial child can be an act of dalliance (relationship on the side, not necessairly sexual) if Queen wasnt aware.

But sure, indulge me, how infertile Herrah and King had a biological child. Go on, open up word doc and write a fanfic based on absolutely nothing but underage pubecscelent headcanon, because the idea of videogame characters having sexual relationships in the game turns you on so much so you can't let it go.
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>>172205591
Also, please explain me Hornet's words to Vessel in the Abyss that they have "similar origins" which was the basis of the hypothesis she was created from Void as well.

Sure a smart guy like you will have no issues outsmartning in-game info and twisting it the way he wants.
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>>172204039
>this goes along with popular hypothesis that Hornet was created artificially from void too
She explicitly says she is not of the Abyss when you meet her after climbing out of the Abyss.
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>>172206117
>But sure, indulge me, how infertile Herrah and King had a biological child.
Herrah isn't infertile, that's how. Midiwfe's dialogue doesn't mean she is. Midwife says that in RECENT times her services are unsought and implies it's because of the plague. That doesn't even necessarily mean that the rest of the bugs of Deepnest are infertile, they could just be too insane to do something like deal with a Midwife.

Your theory is interesting, but your retarded logic and smug sense of pride sort of fucks up your argument just a tad.
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>>172206567
No, she never says anything like it, why are you making things up? Show me a quote.

She only says at the end, that unlike Vessel she cannot exist long enough inside the Egg because she differs from MC/HK.
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>>172204441
>savages without technology.
>code of honor and more switches per square foot than NASA including a giant fuckoff missile silo door
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>>172206272
>Also, please explain me Hornet's words to Vessel in the Abyss that they have "similar origins" which was the basis of the hypothesis she was created from Void as well.
The vessel is the power of the wyrm and the root with a heart of the abyss.

Hornet is the wyrm's daughter.

They're both children of the king.

Similar origins.
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>>172206613
>Herrah isn't infertile, that's how. Midiwfe's dialogue doesn't mean she is. Midwife says that in RECENT times
>RECENT times

I said MULTIPLE TIMES plague started to manifest BEFORE Hollow Knight and deal with Sleepers. Jesus, do you read?

>"The moth tribe were (perhaps) descended from Radiance. However, the King convinced them somehow to seal Radiance away. I guess so he could rule Hallownest with his singular vision, as a monarch/god with no other gods.The moths sealed Radiance away by forgetting about her. Hallownest was born and flourished. However, the memory of Radiance lingered (eg the statue at hallownest's crown) and soon she began to reappear in dreams and starting exerting influence. The King and the bugs of hallownest resisted this memory/power and it started to manifest as the infection. Thus the first attempt to seal Radiance failed, and the King had to try another method - the Vessel."

This text is from in-game files, it is literally short summary of the story. If plague started to manifest BEFORE the whole Sleepers thing then the pestilence existed BEFORE it which proves my point (and the game's point - it is not even mine, I just trying to make you understand what the fucking game states directly) that Herrah and her tribe was already infertile at that point and that's WHY Child has such a high price for her. Why it was such a big deal devs drew attention of the player to it multiple times through Deepnest.

>Your theory is interesting, but your retarded logic and smug sense of pride sort of fucks up your argument just a tad.
Can't say the same about your headcanon,m there is nothing interesting at all, and your pubescent urge "NOT THEY HAD HOT INTERPSECIES SEX REEE DONT RUIN MY FAP" is just pathetic.
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>>172205901
>Hallownest's problems
On my interpretation, Herrah's sacrifice had nothing to do with Hallownest. She was merely doing so to release her tribe from the plague. I agree that she wanted a successor who would be immune to the plague i.e. Hornet the Gendered Child and not quite Vessel.

>I think Deeepnest, due to its nature, wasn't affected so strongly as Hallownest
This is speculation. The fact of the matter is that Deepnest is currently infected, although I'll acknowledge that this does not lead to the conclusion that it was infected at the time of Herrah's sacrifice.

Before I enter the Midwife argument again, I would like to reiterate this: I do not genuinely think it to be canon that the King and Herrah had physically mated. I entirely agree with the proposition that Hornet was a creation of the King. There is no need to be hostile.

>"Our brood is lost to that pestilence of the mind. "
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/brood
noun
1. a number of young produced or hatched at one time; a family of offspring or young.
2. a breed, species, group, or kind: The museum exhibited a brood of monumental sculptures.

Your argument holds validity if we adopt definition 1 (i.e. that all the children were somehow lost due to a plague that afflicted the mind), although I'm inclined to definition 2 and >>172206613

>midwife
I understand that a midwife is a female that assists with birth. Under your interpretation, she is a midwife for the Tribe, and she ministers to the Tribe's females as a whole. I can accept that, but remain convinced that her services were only unsought due to the madness of her tribe. In the alternative, she is a midwife only to the extent that she assisted with ONE birth, that of Hornet. No evidence for this alternative argument though, I'll acknowledge that.

Finally, and this bears repeating, any reference to the King and Herrah having a biological child is just me shitposting/making a joke, that for some reason has offended you.
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>>172206765
>The vessel is the power of the wyrm and the root with a heart of the abyss.
Sure, tell me how explicitly stated creatures of the Void, MADE of void, made genderless and hollow inside (no mind, no will) are his children.

Enlighten me.

Are the other creatures from Void he made, like golems/molds or these artificial fly are his children? No, why not? Why one creatures of Void are and other not? Why suddenly so inconsistent in your own theory?
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So could anyone tell me where the fuck that weird riddle in kingdom's edge wants me to go? the one that needs the fungal charm to even read? I don't want spoilers just some sort of hint on where the fuck it wants me headed first
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Alright so I have the shade cloak, descending dark, and abyss shriek. Are there upgrades for vengeful spirit, focus, and crystal heart?
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>>172207018
Well, your shitposting wasn't so obvious so I took it genuinely.
> that for some reason has offended you.
It did not offend me, it just the enormous amount of underage sperglords here slightly tilts me. Like, can't you go masturbate to porn before posting, nobody but other uderage fags cares about your sexual fantasies.
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>>172207080
Try the Fungal Wastes.

>>172207097
Vengeful Spirit has an upgrade, but it requires a special key. Focus only gets charms, and Crystal Heart is just as it is.
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>>172207050
>Enlighten me.
>Heart of Wyrm. Heart of Root. Soul of Void.
>Heart of Wyrm
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>>172206958
>I said MULTIPLE TIMES plague started to manifest BEFORE Hollow Knight and deal with Sleepers. Jesus, do you read?
You've yet to mention how it's relevant. Hallownest (and its surrounding civilizations) are clearly worse off now than they were before the dreamers, considering how everyone's dead or infected. The King, if he was still around, wouldn't even be able to recruit any dreamers because there's nobody left to recruit.
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>>172207272
>>172207050
And while we're on the subject, every damn sibling and the hollow knight are his children

I doubt he fucked a plant, but health class didn't cover how a magic bug, a magic root, and a primordial chaos make babies.
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>>172207089
Did you just... prove yourself wrong? To what end?
Here, let me break it down for you:

>>Ghost. I see you&#39;ve faced the place of your birth, and now drape yourself in the substance of its shadow
Indeed, the Abyss is where Vessels are born. Vessels, the way they made. But Hornet wasn't Created in the Abyss, she is NOT a Vessel. She shares the same origin (Void):
>"Though our strength is born of similar source"
but she is vastly different with no artificial limitations: She has gender (and devs specifically drew attention to it by calling her GENDERED CHILD) and unlike Vessels she isn't hollow: she has mind, will and personality, which she points out:
>"that part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share"

She also points out their differences on this field in the end:
><entry name="HORNET_PRE_FINAL_BATTLE">That space is built to sustain your likes. It&#39;s bindings would drain me were I to join.

NOWHERE in the game it is hinted or mentioned as much this that she was a biological child.
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>>172206958
>Can't say the same about your headcanon,m there is nothing interesting at all, and your pubescent urge "NOT THEY HAD HOT INTERPSECIES SEX REEE DONT RUIN MY FAP" is just pathetic.
Yeah, honestly, when I read the bible or royal lineages it always sickens me when they talk about how this or that guy had children with this or that girl. I mean, what kind of teenage pervert writes this shit? Couldn't they just say that God poofed everybody into existence?
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>>172207473
>She shares the same origin (Void):
She shares the same origin (Wyrm)

The void is the abyss and you're retarded.

>NOWHERE in the game it is hinted or mentioned as much this that she was a biological child.
It's mentioned that she didn't have much time to spend with her mother and she was produced by a dalliance of the king.

I have no idea how you could be confused about this. It is spelled out in plain, albeit archaic, english.
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>>172207208
thanks friendo
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>>172207272
Where is the argument? I only see quote from the game.

Why don't you explain it to me. Clearly, of all confused people out there who dug into lore and still have no definitive answer what that means - you sure found it easily. Tell us.

>>172207409
>And while we're on the subject, every damn sibling and the hollow knight are his children
How creatures of VOID are HIS children?
There is a special room (in fact, 2 hidden rooms) in White Palace where we learn about king's ability to shape the Void.

>YOUR IS THE POWER OPPOSED
Opposed to LIGHT. It CAN contain light. In the end, VOID consumes Radiance because it can contain it.

VESSELS are MADE of VOID that can contain Radiance's LIGHT.
It is adamn simple logic.
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>>172207673
>The void is the abyss and you're retarded.
I think the only retarded guy here is you, who defends his fanfic and rejects canon:
>>172207709

kek.

You kind remind me of cancerous pony fandom.
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>>172207201
WTF DELETE THIS BUGS CAN'T SEX HORNET WAS MADE FROM CLAY REEEEEEE
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>>172207673
>It's mentioned that she didn't have much time to spend with her mother

>If mother it must be bilogical, there are no non-biological mother.

>and she was produced by a dalliance of the king.

>he made her magically fertile just for that because fuck logic and consistency, obviously King easily could cure plague but he went the other, long and retarded way around bla-bla REE do not challenge my headcanon!
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>>172207709
>he has a heart of wyrm
>she is half wyrm
>both have powers born from the wyrm
>similar power origins

>How creatures of VOID are HIS children?
Well he made them so...

>VESSELS are MADE of VOID that can contain Radiance's LIGHT.
I don't recall ever saying he wasn't made of void. The MC is totally a shadow monster. Anyone that has completed the game should know this. My argument is that Hornet isn't of void.
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>>172207898
>Herrah was infertile and also infected with the plague
Nice fanfiction, reblogged and followed
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>>172207898
>he made her magically fertile
There are spider eggs ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE

I have no idea why you think the spiders are infertile and dalliance has a VERY specific meaning in reference to nobles
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>>172207926
>White Lady is born from Wyrm

><entry name="QUEEN_REPEAT_KINGSOUL">Ahh! So it bears our once-fractured soul, now complete. Such strength, such resolve, such dedication! Is it more than simply a Vessel? I almost feel like I&#39;m once again in the presence of my beloved Wyrm

>beloved Wyrm

this is anew level of fucked up shit.
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>>172207781
Also my fanfiction involves the grey mourner and her lesbian tryst with the terminally ill daughter of the corrupted mantis lord who still has enough of her bugmanity to bury her daughter before madness takes its toll
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>>172208040
>White Lady is born from Wyrm
No, HORNET is born from Wyrm

White Lady is Root, not Wyrm. How did you not fucking notice she's a plant?

The people with similar origins are MC and fucking Hornet. One is referenced as having Heart of Wyrm and the other is the King's (Wyrm's) daughter.
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>>172207926
>I don't recall ever saying he wasn't made of void. The MC is totally a shadow monster. Anyone that has completed the game should know this. My argument is that Hornet isn't of void.
Stop bullshitting me and bakcpedaling.
Your argument was that all the BILLIONS of failed/discarded Vessels in the Abyss + Hollow Knight + MC are King's actual children and that's why Hornet says she has the same origins (and apparently White Lady was used as broodmother according to you).

I proved you wrong by explaining nature of Vesses and how they made. They could not be his actual children, only his children as "his creations". Which means Hornet's line about them sharing SAME origins implies she could not share King's part of origins which means she is talking about Void. Which means she was made of Void as well.

Stop fucking dodging the argument and answer for your words if you can.
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>People think Hornet was Birthed

She's a fucking Hollow Knight.

She's made of Void you dumb asses.
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>>172207996
>There are spider eggs ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE

AND ALL ARE FUCKING EMPTY YOU FAGLORD.
POP THEM
POP THEM AND SEE THEY ARE ALL EMPTY AND DEAD
AT BEST YOU RECEIVE ONE RANDOM SMALL ALREADY INFECTED SPIDER HIDING BENEATH

>logic is hard

go fucking play the game faggot
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>>172208191
>No, HORNET is born from Wyrm
Sure, explain how.

>>172208191
>White Lady is Root, not Wyrm. How did you not fucking notice she's a plant?
I know what Root means or what refers to.

I'm failing to see how this reference says "Hornet = biological King's daughter."

I keep asking you to show me evidence and you just throw me random quotes like they have any relation and prove anything.

That's not how it works. You have to do legwork and prove your shit.
Do it.
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>>172208197
>Abyss + Hollow Knight + MC are King's actual children
Yes, as in created, from some component of the King.

The game outright says this.

I don't recall ever saying the King ever fucked the White Lady.

But the Siblings, MC, and Hollow Knight all have hearts of wyrm and root. They are made of components of the abyss, white lady, and king.

I'm not sure of the process and "biological" is probably the wrong word regardless, but they are the children of the king and the white lady.

>Which means Hornet's line about them sharing SAME origins implies she could not share King's part of origins
Why? The Siblings, MC, and Hollow Knight all have "Heart of Wyrm". Part of their origin is Wyrm. If she is also the king's child she would absolutely be implying she shares the King part of the origins.

You're being retarded.
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>>172208191
>The people with similar origins are MC and fucking Hornet.
see
>>172208197

>king birthed billions of them and dumped into Abyss
Ok.
So how?
He just used White Lady as broodmother?
her words clearly states she loved him. And she seems one of the smartest and intelligent creatures. Obviously she would be keen to notice after 999999 child that King uses her. Small room for love here.

But I'm just fucking around. You still have to explain how Vessels, clear creatures of Void, are his and Queen's children.

I keep asking and you keep avoiding answer. I think we both know why.
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>>172208286
>hiding beneath
Am I being trolled?

Also, the Radiance supercharges biology, it doesn't shut it down. Fungi gain sentience and cells get fuckmassive.
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>>172208448
>Yes, as in created, from some component of the King.
>from some component
MYSTICAL SOME COMPONENT FOR SOME REASON NEVER MENTIONED IN THE GAME BUT IT CLEARLY PRESENTS BECAUSE MUH HEADCANON

Seriously, did you listen to yourself? Due to lack of arguments you now resort to deus ex machina elements and "some components".

Nigger please, have some self-respect and dignity.

>The game outright says this.
No, it does not and never did. You say this because your headcanon si so precious.

>>But the Siblings, MC, and Hollow Knight all have hearts of wyrm and root.
>They are made of components of the abyss, What.
What does this even mean.
Did you made it up just from a single quote of 3 sentences that had no direct? Really? Completely disregarding the rest of the lore?

To what end.

>I'm not sure of the process and "biological" is probably the wrong word regardless, but they are the children of the king and the white lady.
Of course you are not sure, because your headcanon is shaky as fuck and dig it deeper and it start to crumble.

>Why? The Siblings, MC, and Hollow Knight all have "Heart of Wyrm".
WHERE DOES THE GAME SAYS THAT NIGGER
STOP REPEATING IT LIKE A FACT
PROVE IT.

>Part of their origin is Wyrm.
fanfic, nothing in the game ever mentions it


>If she is also the king's child she would absolutely be implying she shares the King part of the origins.
fanfic, nothing in the game ever mentions it

You are writing your retarded fanfic as we go.
More than half of the bullshit you say is not in the game.
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>>172208375
>I keep asking you to show me evidence
Look, she's SOMEBODY'S daughter. She's referenced as having a mother.

Your argument seems to be that the mother bit wasn't literal. The dalliance bit didn't mean affair. And the similar origin bit wasn't referring to Wyrm but Void even though she's demonstrated absolutely NO affinity with the void or abyss, outright said she isn't empty inside, and commented that the black egg was a hostile environment.

My argument is all of that shit is retarded and the MC is referenced as being part Wyrm which would mean he could loosely be considered the king's child, which would account for the referenced similar origins if she also was without torpedoing all the rest of that bullshit I mentioned.

Both our arguments rely on a metaphorical parentage except mine isn't completely retarded and doesn't fly in the face of all the circumstantial evidence and yours does.

The SNAILS are more shadow monster than fucking Hornet.
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>>172208546
>Fungi gain sentience and cells get fuckmassive.
Are you fucking real?
Fungi is existing race in HK universe...

><entry name="NOTE_MUSH_BRAWLER">Are these hulking things beasts or are they mushrooms? I cut one in half and peered inside to find out, but could find no answers in its soft, stinking insides.</entry>

Like, how fucking dumb you have to be to completely miss the obvious and interpret it so wrongly.
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>>172208543
>broodmother
She's a fucking plant you dipshit. I'm not sure you actually played this game.

You meant seedbed.
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>>172208543
>You still have to explain how Vessels, clear creatures of Void, are his and Queen's children.
I have no god damn idea but they got a heart of wyrm and root somehow and she's the root and he's the wyrm so who am I to argue?

I don't have to explain unexplained canon to justify canon being canon. It's canon cause it's canon.
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>>172208893
>Are you fucking real?
Yeah. Didn't you read your Hunter's Journal for the rolly motherfuckers?
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>>172208882
>Look, she's SOMEBODY'S daughter. She's referenced as having a mother.
Yes, because mother is clearly can be biological only.

You can't be a mother to a child that you did not give birth to.
Thanks anon for clear up. Whole life I was tormented by mystery of this question.

>Your argument seems to be that the mother bit wasn't literal.
No, it was.

>The dalliance bit didn't mean affair.
But it did, just not sexual due to arguments I provided before regarding spider tribe and their infertility.
Also, regardless of my arguments about in-game lore, objective thing is that "dalliance" does not mean "sexual". It can be platonic or just flirt. Any kind of "relationship on the side" away from main partner.

>And the similar origin bit wasn't referring to Wyrm but Void even though she's demonstrated absolutely NO affinity with the void or abyss
You means besides:

>being clearly resilient to Radiance influence
>stating she shares same origins with MC
>not a spider
>she looks alike to MC, especially with her head helm thing
>she is specifically called GENDERED CHILD to point out SHE has gender. Please explain, in the context of the fact that all Vessels are Hollow, why did developers seem important to make clear note here? Spider are genderless creatures by default.

>and the MC is referenced as being part Wyrm
He is never referenced like that, you just made it up and keep repeating. Nowhere in the game he is referenced this way.

> which would mean he could loosely be considered the king's child
only if in your headcanon/fanfic with made up arguments that have no quotes

>except mine isn't completely retarded
No, it just made up out of nothing. None of this shit is in the game and it is based on blow out of proportion fanfic/interpretation of 3 sentences in the game that bear less importance than the rest of a lore

Your argument isn't retarded.

You are.
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>>172209041
>I have no god damn idea but they got a heart of wyrm and root somehow and she's the root and he's the wyrm so who am I to argue?

>they
Who they? Got how?

Heart of Wyrm and Hear of Root are 2 white pices/ charms, that merged together create another charm which can be absorbed by Void into Heart of Void.

What the fuck charms. mostly gameplay element, has to do with vessels origins? Seriously, read what you wrote.
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>>172209157
<entry name="NOTE_MUSH_ROLLER">Something queer in the air has caused these mushrooms to grow hearts, minds, and even faces! This means they now fear for their lives, like all other living creatures.</entry>

Yes, nothing about Radiance. It just says that Fungal Wastes have a sentient creatures.

You need to understand that Hunter's journal is outside of game's timeline and chronology:

<entry name="NOTE_HOLLOW_KNIGHT">The old King of Hallownest... he must have been desperate to save his crumbling little word. The sacrifices he imposed on others... all for nothing.</entry>

It is not easy to read. Some people by this day think Hollow Knight is the King.

if we follow your logic and journal understanding - well, they are right then
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>>172209275
>Yes, because mother is clearly can be biological only.
>No, it was.
Stopped reading there. I'm being trolled.

>being clearly resilient to Radiance influence
Wyrm was resilient to Radiance
>stating she shares same origins with MC
Wyrm
>not a spider
Like the Wyrm
>she looks alike to MC, especially with her head helm thing
That is literally a mask you fucking retard. A mask MADE BY A SPIDER
>she is specifically called GENDERED CHILD to point out SHE has gender.
Well she's the only child of the Wyrm with a gender so...

>He is never referenced like that
>Heart of Wyrm
from the actual game, which you didn't play
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>>172209459
>Yes, nothing about Radiance.
>Something queer in the air
Uh...?
>>
Guys, I think Zote might be a void monster. He's got a similar mask and everything.
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>>172209493
>Stopped reading there. I'm being trolled.
Are you being retarded on purpose?
Read the definition of "literal". You don't have to be biological mother to be "literal" mother.

Are you still in middle-school, anon?

>Wyrm was resilient to Radiance
Yeah, so are Vessels, made of Void. Hint-hint.

>Like the Wyrm
But unlike Herrah which proves my point. Not a biological daughter of her.

>Wyrm
No statement in the game, headcanon discarded due to lack of arguments.

>That is literally a mask you fucking retard. A mask MADE BY A SPIDER
No, it wasn't and I can prove it and you can't. Mask Maker would recognize his own mask but he does not know if that is a mask or not:
>entry name="MASK_MAKER_GREET">Is it mask or face upon the creature? In Hallownest, a difficult thing it can be to decipher.</entry>

Headcanon proven wrong, discarded.

>Well she's the only child of the Wyrm with a gender so...
No, she isn't a child of his to begin with.
Because King and Queen DID have a child:
>picrelated

>from the actual game, which you didn't play
And what does it reference besides the charm?

Hardmode: no fanfics or headcanon, actual in-game quotes.
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>>172209563
So where does it says "Radiance"?
Stretching much?
If you have a proof - why don't you present it instead of acting like an idiot and winking "well, don't you see, it is obvious hehehe"

It is not.
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>>172209493
>That is literally a mask
So half of the Hallownest population wear those masks if not more? A lot of bugs have similar "skulls".
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>>172209679
The real revelation here is that Elderbug is one too
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>>172211274
> clearly has a bug body/husk and not a black mass
???
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>>172207201
>Hornet pic that doesn't have her about 5 times heavier than her actual model

nice.
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>>172206669
>Soul Sanctum literally unlocking the secrets of immortality.
>Switches

Are you actually fucking retarded?
>>
>literally stuck in a catch-22 for uprades
I fucking hate this shit.
>>
Now that I'm trying to speedrun, it's still fucking amazing how much you can actually do without the double jump.

God I want to have sex with HK's level design.
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Was the Coliseum carved into the tail end of the Wyrm?
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>>172212713
Yeah I remember that from old trailer.

I wonder what was the original idea. It seems like 3rd statue might have been Radiance?
>>
>>172207201
T-thicker?
>>
Have
>Climb Upgrade
>Dash Upgrade
>Dive Upgrade

Where the fuck do I need to go to get my next one?
I've looked EVERYWHERE and the game cockblocks me out of further content.
>>
>>172213001
Third statue could be the Hollow Knight himself.
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>>172213001
It doesn't really look like radiance. It appears to have robes on. Of course, Radiance's look could have changed.
>>172213085
Go to Crystal Peak and get the Crystal Heart. With the ground smash you can smash the ground in the room next to Myla's mine.
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>>172213085
Take a good long look at your map.
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>>172213113
Or that yeah.
But notice how ing and Queen "chained" but the 3rd one just wears clotches akin to romanian ones
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>>172186642

>Australian devs
>World is made of fossils

Game clearly takes place in Ediacara Hills.
>>
>>172213161
>>172212392

>>172213152
Thanks.
>>
I hope's more lore-side content in the future about the Wyrm prior to its death and the Void itself. They're like most interesting stories to follow.

Especially the Abyss.
>>
>>172213186
>"chained"
The Queen just has the bindings like Pale Lady does in the game, and the King just seems to be a simplification of whatever he has on here >>172190721
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>>172213398
I dunno m8, I'd like to learn more about the Moth Tribe, the Radiance, and possibly Mr Mushroom's role in this.
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>>172213423
I disagree, you clearly can see King has the same "restraints" as White Lady in the original game, but third figure wears actual clothes, similar to this:
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>>172213469
Yeah but like there's barely mention about what the Void actually was. All we know is that the King used it, to the point that his very own Palace was practically right next to the Abyss, just to fuck the Radiance up.
>>
Why end such a good game with meatboy palace? Fucking infurating.
>>
Looks like we need a new thread
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>>172213661
Why do you need some specific explanation for it?
You don't require explanation for fire or water? A primal element does not need one, it exist and it used for REASONS that might require explanation.
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>>172214354
Do you not require explanations for fire or water?
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>>172213661
It's clear what it is. The Void is something primordial. Born from the empty husks of death that have fallen into it for how many centuries. or perhaps millenniums, culminating into a pitch black nothing not even the light can penetrate. It was the complete antithesis of the Radiance.

The Pale King simply gave it form and directive.
>>
>>172214659
Is that clear, though? The only corpses in there are the discarded vessels, a dead retainer, and that skeleton that gives you the shade dash.
>>
>>172214463
Not really, I don't "need" it.
It could be provided but it is completely unnecessary to me, living in this world, just like scientific explanation of Void is irrelevant to lore and story/plot of HK

I really don't understand why are you so stuck on this one.
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>>172214798
>Is that clear, though? The only corpses in there
>in there
Now you are talking about Abyss and not Void. These are different things.
>>
>>172215110
Well okay, but where'd you get that is was "Born from the empty husks of death that have fallen into it"?
>>172215036
Well it doesn't need to be scientific, but I'd still like to know why the void manifests so heavily in the abyss and how it affects things, like living bugs or Soul.
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>>172215619
>Well okay, but where'd you get that is was "Born from the empty husks of death that have fallen into it"?
I wasn't the guy who said that.
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>>172215619

>why the void manifests so heavily in the abyss
While we don't know the exactitudes of vessel creation we can gleam a few things:
1) It required a meaningful sacrifce
2) It created creatures with range of independence from almost mindless to fully sapient.
3) It create a lot more of the former than the latter. I.E. It was a failure prone process.

Abyss manifest the void so strongly because it's filled with failed vessels to the brim forming this ocean of darknes with seafloor of corpses.
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>>172193354
Giantess bee queen is best girl.
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>>172192980
Mantises are just extremely cautious about the infection and cut down everything that doesn't prove its worth to them.
Traitor tribe shows that they are well aware about the infection, knowing that much would drove anyone into a cautious state, especially a recluse warrior tribe.
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>>172219623
The infection is pretty OP though, mantises go from 2 shot with Pure Nail to 4 shot with Pure Nail as traitor mantises.
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>>172207201
Cool man, thanks for staying on model in terms of shape.
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>>172219623
>Mantises are just extremely cautious
Not necessarily.
A few characters throughout the game shown to be able to resists.
From the Black Dream flashback we know that King made vessels "hollow" (no mind, no will Radiance's light can linger on) to be able to resists Radiance but a strong will/mind can do that too (ie. Dung Defender, White Lady, Hornet and so on)
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