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1st for Eris

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Banner is cute! CUTE!

>>171724509
https://cycomi.com/viewer.php?chapter_id=2256&param=vertical_only

Banish single enemy follower or amulet
Enhance:10 Banish all enemy followers and amulets

>Lightning Blast

No way this isn't fake. It's basically a Blue Eyes White Dragon.

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>>171724509
>from memecraft to cancercraft in one card
H E A R
E
A
R

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>remove a follower (or ALL the field)
>remove a 3 def follower, draw a card

Post your face when Dragon and Haven will cuck Shadow into 0.5% tier play AGAIN

SHADOWBABS, THE BANISHCAUST HAS TRULY COME

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DRAGON WILL HAVE THREE (3) COPIES OF THAT SHIT AND RAMP UP INTO IT

REEEEE

>>171724509
>Current Streamer on: nl_kripp
You faggots need to stop with this.

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>>171724695

W-who do we bully for free wins now?

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QUICK, SOMEBODY, GIVE ME A NEW VERSION WITH THE SPELL

Lightning blast and 2 solid legendaries, not to mention other good cards.
Looks like our time as come.

>>171724509
>Current Streamer on: nl_kripp
Kill yourself you autist.

SHADOWCRAFT DEAD CRAFT, NEP RUINED

memes aside, this might actually be bad for the game, this card shits on so many archetypes

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THE TIME HAS COME BROTHERS.

WE WILL CLEANSE THE SHADOWJEW FILTH WITH DRAGON FIRE

HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR

Does Eris have some porn?

73900

Let me win one for mission + achievement onegai

Need a concede please.

56938

http://www.strawpoll.me/12537776

http://www.strawpoll.me/12537758

>>171724894
I joined, but I think I might have already done this with you, so sorry if you don't get anything.

>>171724827
lets hope I know how to do a png

Memes no more
Tier 1 now
How does it feel dragon players

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THEY ACTUALLY DID IT
THEY SAVED DRAGON

>Control Sword: Hahaha, no one can bypass our amulets and defenses!
>Dragon: Hold my beer

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Doing some private game quests for someone, bring out your aggro

37748
8/20

>>171724943
Both times the answer would be Uris.

>>171724948
It's okay I rerolled. Thanks.

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>>171724879
no

At least now Dragon has a clean way of dealing with Blood sneks. Gotta ramp that shit to 10 before getting overwhelmed by sneks.

>>171724617
She's so cute.

>>171723857
>swapping imprisoned for Rahab
Agreed, I've already testing Shield Angel over Imprisoned for a while.
>swapping Odin for Kiwi Killer
Need to be tested, Odin has body, while Burst Stream can be used earlier, I'll probably run both
>cutting fervor to 2, adding 3 sibyl, or removing aiela/dropping aiela to 2.
I've already dropped Aiela to 2, seems crazy but worked well for me.
>adding 1-2 Oroboros, removing PoD.
Dunno, PoD is still pretty good in a control match up.
>maybe swapping BB for eggs.
I like BB to be combo'd with Wild Hunt.
>somehow teching in Wind Reader Zell. REALLY good card that gives you 13 face damage at turn 9.
Yeah, it's a pretty good sekrit tek.

>>171724939
Thanks femboy

HAHA JUST LIGHTNING BRO

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SHADOWBABS

WHERE ARE YOU SHADOWBABS

WHERE IS YOU KIWII?

WHERE IS YOUR "I AUTO WIN VERSUS BIG MINIONS"

WHERE IS "DRAGON CANT DEAL WITH MORDECAI"

HOW YOU PLAN TO DEAL WITH OUROBORUS NOW?

SHADOWWWWWWWWWBAAAAABSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

>>171725030
I'm talking about the 20 private match achievement. You have to play with different people every time to get gold.

>dragon banish is 6 to cast
>6
Oh vey member the 6 gorillion

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I heard you like overpowered silvers, Shadowbabs.

>>171725018
LOL you guys really want me to add Urias to the polls. It'd be funny, but I don't want to include a meme option like that. Every poll would just be "LOL Urias cuz he's so random he's a guy! XDD"

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>just a few days ago Dragonbabs were on suicide watch after Hippocampus and the incorrect Ouroboros text
>now they are the new petclass

>>171724617
>>171724482
I hate her ugly face because she reminds me of the board clear halocaust that constantly stopped me from using her

>>171724701
They already didn't use conflagration

>>171724856
My guess is this is their "never complain again dragon" card. It's "balanced" because they can always go under or you can brick and not ramp up, especially with stuff like turn 6 maelstrom. It'll turn dragon into even more of a "50% of the time, you get to play the game, 50% of the time you lose no matter what" craft.

>>171725060
You can just remove the vengeance amulet though

>>171725119
I'm aware, but I rerolled my account yesterday, so the little progress I had made is gone. Still, thanks for your time.

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>1 saha
>1 luci
>2 baha
>12000 vials
>8000 coins
>tfw I can finally play as ramp dragon next expansion

Who /HEAR/ here?

>shadow will now be bullied by both dragon and haven this expansion
Good thing im a bloodfag

Hey ramp list guy, can you post a screenshot of the right side? Something doesn't add up

>>171725071

>>171725151
Silver cards are the real legendaries in this game

>>171725060
Bahamut already exists if you're going for the enhance. I'd say the better use is Dragon has a non-shit way of dealing with all the new amulets.

>>171725179
Or just remove both sneks and the amulet at the same time

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Post yfw Dragon became the official petclass.

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>>171725151

>Elana might come back
>Dragon counters shadow
>No way to deal with sneks
>Forest is still probably going to be a bad matchup
>Rune is neutral, at best
>Fuckin Haven

Well, Shadow is the designated JUST class now. Wonderful.

>>171725253
The Enhance is to kill Mordecais, they're a menace to Dragon.

>banish everything

Why

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>>171725279

>>171725283
They're clearly trying to push a more mid-range shadow. Not to mention aggro shadow that already exists.

>>171724509
>>171725324
THE DAY OF THE ROPE HAS COME!

>>171725339
This image just got so much better after this reveal.

>>171725279
>>171725151
>misusing the word petclass
Removal isn't gonna protect you from George of the jungle and senor Alberto Barbossa. This does, however, fix the Shadowjew problem once and for all.

>>171724509
Is that Burst Stream of Destruction and why am I in the Yu-Gi-Oh! general?

>>171725323
So now Ghosthound is going to be core in Nep. Instead of turn 8 Neps, now it's going to be turn 10 Neps with Ghosthound.

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>>171724827
Here you go anon.

>tfw bandwagon shitters will flood your class even harder than the saha-luci shitters did
I don't want to get BM'd and roped even more. Christ.

I'm not even mad about Dragonslayer's Price anymore. How could anyone be.

>>171725198
>3 Saha
>3 Luci
>0-3 Odin, might be not being run if the Burst Stream is good enough
>3 Baha
>3 Sibyl
>maybe some Israfil and Zeus
A bit far, but you should be able to get some Sibyl with 8k gold, the rest should be used to make Saha and Luci then Baha.

>JO dragon can now deal with seraph
FUG : DD

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>>171725339
Tfw the only class you bullied as nep bullies you now.

femboy :3

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>>171725416
It is

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>>171725283
We need a version of this with Rowen, Eris and Luna.

>>171725415
Yeah that's a fair point. Does it banish ALL followers? Because if it banishes your followers too then this just becomes "Leave yourself open to dying next turn". Actually looking at it like that it becomes a very specific counter tech against shadow. It won't do shit to Aegis. It doesn't interact with the plethora of win conditions that come before 10. Etc. Looks like it is targeted at that one matchup.

>>171725253
>Baha gets gibbed by kiwi for 13 heal
>Baha summons Eris' aminal frendos
>Baha knows that the duels never end.

>>171725479
Dragon was already one of Seraph's worst match ups. Seraph decks will 100% come with backup Aegis now, and there's no way for Dragon to deal with Aegis other than going face.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

FUCK YOU KAWAII

EAT MY ATOMIC BREATH


>>171724694
>>171724775
My bad, what I MEANT was 3 baha, 1 Satan not pictured. But when ToG comes out I'll probably use Ouroboros as a wincon. It looks cooler, and is a little more consistent.

Satan is nice but hard to regain board control with, and means giving up your chance of drawing more bahamuts/Odins/whatever, that could be really key in a control mirror where you want to drop Satan. Dragon is poor at tempo and generally you want Satan when you already have a strong board presence, not to make up for it. We use it because we have no better wincon.

>>171725071
>Need to be tested, Odin has body, while Burst Stream can be used earlier, I'll probably run both
If you run both you risk bricking too much. Odin is better vs Seraph, while breath beats Nep better. But breath is also alright Vs Seraph, while odin isn't great vs nep. So I think I'd rather have breath, at 10 mana you can drop breath enhanced or breath and Rahab/DW, which are definitely better than Odin + a Dong.

>Dunno, PoD is still pretty good in a control match up.
Depends. It suffers in a ton though, simply because your board control is not very good. Your goal as Ramp Drag, against control, is just to reach your wincon faster than they can, even if your wincon is weaker. Dropping Satan on turn 6 is suicidal in most cases, unlike Bahamut or I suppose Ouroboros.

>I like BB to be combo'd with Wild Hunt.
Then just get Seig instead. Wild hunt isn't that great anyways.

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shadowbabs here im ready to fuckin die now just end it all

>tfw only Aegis is unfazed by this shit

https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/844406541130326017
>Website unresponsive

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>>171725485
DONT MENTION IT

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>>171725004
Thank you Erasmus and Urias

37748
10/20

>>171725516
BURU AIZO WAITO DURAGON
BANISHU ARU ENAMI MONSTA CADO!

>>171725415
>implying Sword can get you low enough to Albert lethal with all the healing Dragon has gotten on top of SahaLuci and Fervor

It's time to brainstorm a Shadow deck that uses 0 last words now.

>>171725523
only banishes enemy board

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>>171725549

I-it's fine we have lots of sleeper OP cards

Cygames will slip and we'll become the most oppressive class in all time.

>>171725626
Okay. That's... yeah. Pretty fucking great reward for ramping hard. I can't even defend it, it's legit broken.

>>171725542
That guy was specifically talking about blood sneks.

>made the gold dumpster trash and the silver great do we can save vials
Thanks, cygames.

>>171725523
Only targets enemy stuff. Which for 10 mana is fair.

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>>171724509
CAVALIER YOUR BREATH OF THE SALAMANDER/BLAZING BREATHS BROTHERS

>>171725672
Yeah, they only were getting beaten retarded during 3-4 do-nothing turns to get to it is all. Definitely broken. Tell me all about the fucking blood moon revelations while you're at it.

>6 games in a row going second as aggro blood
>no 1 drops

So what decks can I climb with quickly that aren't decided by the flip of a coin?

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>>171725648
Well the solution as shadow is just to play aggro or mid-range. I mean it sucks if you loved nep, but there are options.

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The card pack site is updated with more cards now.
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/tempestofthegods/

can somebody (You) me wen kripp starts playing cunnyverse?

>>171725768
I'm dragon, so I'm not hating on this or anything. I'm really happy we don't have to deal with Mordecai bullshit anymore. But realistically this'll just shift the meta to a place where we don't see decks like that much. Actually I wonder how much play it will see if people just give up on seraph/nep decks entirely. Guess it'll depend on how well they can do against other decks in ToG.

>>171725792
Add goblins? At what point did you decide that despite identifying the problem you wouldn't resolve it?

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>tech in 2 windblasts in my dorothy deck
>mfw the number of haven fags auto-conceding when I play it

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>MUH CONTROL META
haha
HA HA HA HA HA
FUCKING RETARDS
This is just going to force Albert Aggro even more! Did someone say Support Cannon and Luminous Banner? Because all I heard was IGUZO, you amateurs!

>>171724509
>that card

Welp, guess this means Seraph Haven became a Dumpster Tier Deck. Requiescat in pace, Stone Angle. You're gonna carry that weight.

>>171725792
Running the exact same list as #1 blood

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>79880

concede pls

>>171724509
>Current Streamer on: nl_kripp
STOP THIS SHIT, IT WON'T BE CURRENT WHEN HE STOPS STREAMING
ALSO IT'S WAY TOO EARLY STOP MAKING THREADS EARLY CAUSE YOU WANT TO PUSH YOUR SHITTY THREAD

>>171725885
I'm not so sure since conflagration already suffered enough and it's also a tech bahamut with all the problems he had as a brick.

>>171725945
Nobody likes playing against you because solitaire is a one player game

>>171725885
You won't see me playing Nep after the expansion, that's for sure. If I play shadow at all it'll be aggro or midrange. But that's assuming those decks will be good enough in the first place. No one knows that for sure.

Atomy Mammoth will be probably be fun once in a while

HIP HIP


HOORAY

>>171725919
meant to send this to you
>>171726021

>>171726029
Thanks my dude may your next packs be blessed with leggos.

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>>171724827
>>171725449
>>171724964
I WAS TOO SLOW AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

If I read this right dragoncuck get 2 legendary next expansion?

>Open my first Bahamut wih today's free pack
>Burst Stream revealed
My dragonkin calls

>>171725449
This is great

>>171726213
Work on this then >>171724858

We NEED to let the Shadowbabs HEAR

Why the fuck is Dragon allowed to have a better Odin?

>>171726154
Add a goblin. Alucard is a meme.

>>171726049
>>171726073
Yeah it may sound silly, but the first deck I play in ToG as dragon won't be a typical ramp deck with just this silver added on top. Too many games against D Shift have really colored my view of "clear the board absolutely" cards. (That doesn't make this card any less broken. Not really a defense, just a "I'm tired of autolosing to certain wincons as ramp and want to see if mid-range might be possible with Arriet and Ouro finishers").

>>171726250
No, 4 + 1 silver legendary.

>>171725990
ramp already shat on seraph haven anyway. other class except for rune still needs odin

i think im going to put one aegis or grail as a backup in my seraph deck

>>171726073
More like amazing. Prince catacomb was clutch. With the wards, heals, and thicker followers we may see the pings die down as well.

>>171726154
Then accept that nothing is without tradeoffs and that's card games.

>>171726250
Everybody is getting 2 legos. They went from 1-2 to give them more room to revive dead archetypes or help multiple ones. I'm still hoping for 4 legos per expansion so all the main archetypes and the gimmick archetype get a leg up instead of basically having to sit it out.

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>Sword and Daria are the "YOU WILL DIE BY TURN 5" decks

>Dragon and Shift are the "YOU WILL NOT WIN IF YOU GO PAST TURN 7" decks

Nobody else comes even close, Haven and Shadow went back to the dumpster tier

>>171726154
Add an Alucard. Goblin is a meme.

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Welp RIP Nep you had a good run.
Midrange zombiecraft is go!

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>>171726296
You WILL HEAR Shadowjew.

What do you guys listen to while playing
I'm listening to philosophy lectures

>>171726296
the same reason rune is allowed to have 2pp odin

>>171726363
Still doesn't banish Aegis.

>>171725142
Rarity in Shadowverse has very little correlation to power, which is actually a good thing, makes lots of good decks and cards cheap, unlike Jewstone.

>>171726286
ok i'll do my best

>>171726316
>>171726369
So basically take both of them out

>>171726435
Power ranger stream. Though I stopped caring after In Space and Time Force.

>>171726396
I can't unsee this dude look like that dark souls knight dude equipping estoc

>>171726363
Haven and Shadow both have aggro decks, and Shadow is potentially getting the tools for a strong mid-range deck, it's too soon to say. Dunno what to say to Haven though--storm haven isn't particularly strong, and they don't really have a quick wincon that can get around this spell.

>>171726296
>Dragon is forced to use Neutral because class cards are very bad

People made fun of Dragon

>Dragon got it's own Odin, it's own Luci, etc

WHY IS DRAGON ALLOWED TO HAVE CLASS CARDS? REEEEEEEEE

You guys are never okay with anything?

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>>171725587
Thanks Erika, Vania and Urias!

37748
13/20

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>>171726435
the dragon's roar

What defines midrange? A curve that ends at 5-7pp?

18813

Need a concede, happy to give you one as well. Just emote spam!

>>171724509

Now dragoncucks can shut the fuck up and learn how it feels to be despised as a cancercraft.

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>>171726552

>>171726363
Current Control cucking order.

DShift>Aegis>Dragon>Seraph>Nep>Wolfbolt>Blood(they still don't have an actual hard wincon)

>>171726574
>>171713838

>>171726552
FUCK
That's a good one.

>>171726621
Being despised is always better than losing.

>>171726575
Crashed. 77754 is the new room.

>>171726361
>Everybody is getting 2 legos.

thanks

>>171726435

Metatron

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>>171724858
Another one, anon.

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>>171726552

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>>171726574
>what is tempo?
>what is card advantage?
>what is midrange?
>what is...?

From the book "Next Level Magic"
Author Patrick Chapin "The Innovator"

The guy is a well known Magic Champion, wrote several books, write articles every week, got his own podcast and is in the Magic Hall of Fame

>THE STAGES OF THE GAME
In any card game there are basically three stages of play that your strategy is operating at. Keep in mind, this is with regards to you or your opponent, but the two of you are not necessarily going to be at the same stage at the same time. Your stage is independent of theirs

>STAGE 1
Stage 1 is the early game.
Your Minimum Game Threshold is the level at which your deck can operate on a basic level. For instance, many aggro decks only need three lands to be able to cast most of their spells

>STAGE 2
Stage 2, or the mid-game, is essentially the most strategically relevant part of the game—and the one where the most relevant mistakes are generally made. Stage 2 is when players have the opportunity to play most or all of their spells, but the battles being fought are still relevant.
The mid-game is where the little battles are fought. These little battles are where percentage points are won and lost, setting players up with the best chance of either reaching a successful end game or ending the game before it comes to that.

>STAGE 3
A control deck, often seeks to win during the end game, or Stage 3; it wants to merely survive the early game in order to get to the point where they can play an appropriate Semi-Soft Lock.
a Semi-Soft Lock is an easy-to-reach set of conditions (which can be as simple as casting a single important spell) that will give you such an advantage that you will usually win most of your games when that condition is met.
A defining aspect of Stage 3 play is that very few of your opponent's cards matter, since they are severely limited in the ways that they can actually meaningful affect the board.

CONT.

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>>171726552

>>171726435
my music playlist of random animu songs and other shit

>>171726667
Thanks Gandalf!

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Why do you guys keep talking about legos? Do you guys really like legos, or are they making Shadowverse legos or something? I don't get it.

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>>171724509

Does this remove Aegis?

>>171726363
>>171725981
This right here. Nep is now only barely playable vs dragon if you nep on t10 and follow up with ghosthound sexton. Other than that, why play control when Burst Stream will just delete everything except aegis

The meta is literally going to come down to Aggro AlbertoCraft Featuring Gwain, Bloodmoon "T4 Revelation", ElanaAegis, Dshift and Burst Stream Ramp.

How are the nips reacting anyway?

>banish fucking everything
Looks like a fun card to ruin someone else's day with

Isn't Haven gonna get fucked over by this hardcore?
>Have to deal with Odin AND this

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>>171726782
CONT.

>THE BASIC ARCHETYPES

>CONTROL/PERMISSION
Control strategies generally seek to survive Stage 1, begin building advantages in Stage 2, and eventually reach a Stage 3 end game that will win the game for them. While these strategies tend to be somewhat reactive and tend to employ more powerful cards than many other strategies, they can typically be divided into “those with permission” and “those without permission.”
In general, most Permission-based Control decks rely on a good deal of card drawing to compliment either a boatload of Counterspells, or a token amount of permission and a nice selection of defensive control cards appropriate to a given format.

>LOCK DECKS
Lock decks are a particular brand of Control deck that heavily crosses over into the combo realm at times. The idea here is to create a game state where the opponent can no longer win. If they can no longer win, they generally eventually lose. Rather than resort to a degenerate Stage 3, these decks move to a Stage 2 where they are permanently locking the opponent in Stage 1.

>BURN
Stage 1 focussed decks, a Burn deck can mean a variety of things,where the idea is to have every card in your deck function like a Lightning Bolt, and quickly kill your opponent with direct damage, ignoring anything he does.
This strategy is particularly appealing to amateur players, but not as common among top players, as it removes almost any opportunity to leverage skill in any way during a match. In addition, it is easily foiled.
Modern-day burn decks are based on hyperaggressive low mana curves that typically select the most aggressive creatures in the format. These creatures are used to put early pressure on an opponent, while any creatures that might block are burnt out of the way. Once the opponent's life total is low enough, all of this direct damage provides the deck with some reach, giving them a plan to finish off an opponent who has set up their defenses.

CONT

what is forte planing to do with all this power?

>>171724509
>Current Streamer on: nl_kripp

Fucking kripp isn't even streaming now.

Why is this bullshit allowed?

So how does Deepwood Anomaly work? You attack the enemy leader and win?

>>171726841
its a board clear at 10pp so yes

>>171726847
You don't always ramp. Not defending the card, but there is room to go under it, and the room to go under it becomes immense if they don't draw their ramp cards reliably.

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>>171726841

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>I'm a midrange swordcucki-doo - I copied the first deck I've found on Yahoo!

>>171726841
No

Is this the best turn 10 topdeck or is this the best turn 10 topdeck

>>171726848
>baka gaijin thinku thisu cardu isu gudu wwwwwwwwwwww

>>171726886
They have Aegis now so basically they just stall for a turn more and actually go for board control if it's Dragon.

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>khawy will never ever molest your bahamut ever again

To be honest, most of the time the new spell is just gonna act like an odin, which was never that good vs nep in the first place. The real deck this card shits on is seraph and if I had to make a prediction there's gonna be a shadow>dragon>haven>shadow triangle that develops next meta.

>>171726841
No. Aegis is only affected by abilities that alter Attack/Defense. Regardless of Targeting or not, Aegis is immune.

>>171726897
Anon it's Rowen's time to shine. Age of manly dragons have arrived.

>>171726917
Drop it, have it get removed by Dance of Death, concede

>>171726886
It's just winmore against Haven in its current state. Ramp dragon (both storm and satan) crush Seraph and Guardian Sun. Haven will NEED Aegis to even dream of beating Dragon.

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>>171726890
CONT.

>COMBO
It generally refers to a type of strategy that involves playing a combination of cards that wins the game.
Combo decks can be control or beatdown, and generally the difference is whether a combo deck tries to go off as fast as it can (beatdown) or it tries to survive a few turns while it sets up its combo (control).
As a beatdown deck, Combo can be extraordinarily effective, because often one can assemble a winning combination of cards faster than people can deal twenty damage with creatures.
As a control deck, Combo can also be very effective, as a combo kill often solves every problem a control deck might have.

>LINEAR AGGRO
Linear Aggro decks based on some inherent internal synergy among the cards chosen. The idea is that you are playing a bunch of quick aggressive cards that get better and better the more you have, each helping all of the rest.
Perhaps a better way to think of Linear Aggro is that it is a subcategory that can further define a deck. Generally, there are two types of Linear Aggro decks: there are those driven by creature type (Goblins, Allies, etc) and those driven by a mechanic (Affinity, Madness, etc).

>AGGRO CONTROL
An Aggro Control deck is one that seeks to deploy quick threats early and support them with a variety of control cards like permission, removal, and bounce. Against a Control deck, these support cards are used to protect the threats that the Aggro Control player plays. Against a Combo deck, the control cards are used to keep the Combo player out of Stage 3 long enough for the threats to defeat them. Against a beatdown player, the control cards are used to help create a position where the Aggro Control player has a reasonable control of the board.
Aggro Control decks attempt to do a better job of what it is that midrange decks strive to be—namely, beatdown against control and control against beatdown.
Tempo is often more important in these sorts of decks than in most others.

CONT.

>my odins are worthless now
What other decks run him?

>>171726757
Words can't be described of how much happy I am seeing that autistic psychopath screeching

>>171726925
They're getting more consistent with Sibyl though.

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>>171726435
Random game OST and BGM.
Most of them are so chill and relaxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F-XzhAMFAM

>>171727023

Power creeeeeeeeeppppppppppppppppp

>>171726848
They hate it.

>>171727038
any other crafts beside dragon

>>171727038
It's dragon only card. If you're not running dragon, Odin is still way to go.

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>>171727074
Reminder that you've been warned about this.

>>171726987
This triangle that you talk about is already real right now, but Dragon might be able to be positive against Shadow because of this card.

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>>171727031
CONT.

>CARD ADVANTAGE
Card Advantage (or, more accurately, Card Economy) is one of the most important concepts in Card Games.
Card Advantage is really just the positive side of the spectrum of a concept known as Card Economy.
Card Economy deals with the one primary resource that a player has that is both initial (seven cards in hand) and residual (one draw phase every turn). Card Advantage, at its core, is about permanent resources, advantages that do not disappear on their own. Cards are the fundamental example, and every other sort of permanent advantage is spoken of in terms of “cards."
Whenever you summon a creature, cast a spell, or put any permanent into play, you are generally dealing with a variety of costs. The primary costs to a card are the casting cost (or land drop) and the card itself.
One of the most important concepts in all of Magic theory is that whenever you play a card, it is not just the casting cost that you are paying. You are also paying the card! When you cast a Giant Growth to power up one of your creatures, the Giant Growth is gone from your hand. You now have one less card to work with.
I know that this may come across as basic, but that is the point: we are talking about the basic building blocks of Magic. With a proper understanding of the basic components of Magic, we can better evaluate everything from in game decisions to deckbuilding to evaluating new cards that come out.

Every single card is either about giving you more and better options or denying your opponent options.
The idea is that cards are just ways that you spend mana and that the player who gets more mana worth of value tends to win more games.

CONT.

>>171726925
>you don't always ramp
You don't always ramp turn 2-3
A quarter of the deck is ramp anon, some non saha luci lists run urd and combo that with aiela for even more ramp
Soon they get sybil

I mean yeah, they won't always have the oracle aiela dream opener
But they'll ramp at least once or twice on their way to 10 pp

>>171727038
Odin is still staple in any none Rune/Dragon control deck. Morde might be dead, but Ouroboros replaced him, and Seraph is always lurking, waiting for people to drop banishes from their lists.

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>>171726515
Thanks Garuda, just had to banish the carrot didn't you

37748
14/20

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>>171727038
Control sword will probably be running them still, so will Cblood.
Anything that is aimed at late game but doesn't combo into lethal before seraph or that has to deal with Mordecai. Plus Ouroboros is coming out and might require Odin for some decks.

>>171727068
>Introduce new game mechanics and archetypes
>Wow, this might change the game? Require players to use new cards to compete? Nah, I'd rather they just create a new archetype that's equally balanced compared to everything somehow

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Now it's official Shadow is the most fucked class in TOG.

It's like DE over again, what do we do now Shadowbros??

>>171726987
>Triangle
No such thing, Shadow shits on both right now, except for Seraph. Nep destroys ALL Dragon decks, and Guardian Sun. Now Dragon doesn't auto lose to Shadow, and Haven doesn't auto lose to Dragon (Aegis).

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>>171727159
CONT.

TEMPO

As we just saw, card advantage is so very tricky because it deals with a resource that you both start the game with (seven cards) and gain over time (a card a turn). Tempo is actually much simpler, though there has actually been a lot less written on it. As a result, it is more commonly misunderstood than card advantage.

Tempo deals with the resources that you gain every turn, but do not possess initially. The most common of these is mana. The most important thing to remember about Tempo is that it is all of your resources that are temporary (hence the name). These are advantages that will dissipate naturally.
At the beginning of a game you have no mana and no ability to generate mana. During Stage 1, you just don't have the mana you need to work with. As the game progresses, you are able to build up your resources to a point where you can actually cast your spells. This is Stage 2 and the most common way of getting there is by playing land.
Tempo is more than just the mana spent on spells, however. It is the manipulation of any resource that you gain over time, but do not start with. This can include the playing of land, untapping permanents, attack phases, and so on, as well as denying your opponent of these.

The key to understanding tempo is to evaluate everything in terms of how much this resource is worth right now. To take tempo away from your opponent is to give yourself tempo, but this matters not at all if you don't do anything with it.
Tempo is only worth what you can do with it.
When you are building a tempo-based deck, the key is to figure out what advantage you are gaining as a result of the tempo you are producing. A Faeries deck gains tokens and cards, but also very much tires to take advantage of all of the extra attack phases it gets.
If you are trying to figure whether or not to throw away resources in a game for temporary gain, ask yourself what you are doing with that tempo anyway.

>>171726449
So long as Alberto Barbossa and aggro decks are still a thing in the next expansion, I'm sure that Haven will go back to being a dumpster tier craft as before. Shadow has their own aggro/mid-range decks, at least, which is more than I can say for Haven.

>tfw all the characters, fighters, sports teams, and crafts you like inevitably sink to statistical mediocrity

I guess I have brain problems or some shitty reverse-midas touch

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>>171726435
EUROBEAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyXrwdbfMuw

>>171727160
That's fair. That still leaves real win-cons like roaches and D Shift to run under it (not to mention roach and D Shift don't even care about board state, so irrelevant I suppose). I guess everyone gets to rev up their combo decks even more.

I still think mid-range shadow will be a thing.

>okay so Dragon just autoloses to Nep, how should we fix this
>just like give em a cheaper odin so now Nep autoloses to Dragon
>brilliant sir

>>171724509
I don't think this card is going to make for interesting gameplay and I wish Cygames wouldn't always choose the crudest and most obvious solution to a problem. It's now more important than ever to just drop a massive Storm guy and end the game rather than try to play around anything your opponent might have.

>>171726782
>>171726890
>>171727031
>>171727159
>>171727271
Do you have to autistically dump this entire thing every time somebody asks a question about card game terminology?

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>>171727237
Just Khawy bro HAHAHAHAHA

Thought that piece of shit will carry you forever? TOO BAD HAHHAHAHA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>171726925
Except against typical control decks, you don't need to ramp more than 1-2 times max. Just make sure they can't establish a combo (ie bloody mary) and once you get to 10 mana you can answer literally everything in a combination of Bahamut + Lightning Blast.
Worst is, Bahamut into Lightning Blast Guarantees your bahamut to attack face, ignoring all threats.

>>171727282
Forest is the designated aggro-killing craft now (they will lose to everything else though).

>>171727296
Well, Nep/Mordecai was already itself bad design. How do you fix bad design except with more bad design unless you edit old cards? Cygames doesn't like editing/nerfing old cards, so that leads to this form of "fix".

>>171726782
>>171726890
>>171727031
>>171727159
>>171727271
You know, you could just put that all into a pastebin and link that.

Alternatively compile it into a screenshot.

>>171727296
sasuga intern desu

>>171727404
>Worst is, Bahamut into Lightning Blast Guarantees your bahamut to attack face, ignoring all threats.
It's not like Blood and Sword can't already do that with Revelation and Cyclone Blade
It's less frequent than you would think

>>171727346
It's not even like all those terms apply to Shadowverse. No one is going to know what you mean if you call a SV deck "aggro control", for example.

>>171727357
Forte is cute when she's angry!

>>171726435
Italo disco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0hfQZKOnuE

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>last thread everyone laughing at dragon for their shitty boardclear
>this thread everyone complaining about dragon for their overpowered removal/boardclear
Cygames really played us hard

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>>171727357
P-please no bully

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>wake up
>see the new dragon silver
AHAHAHA how will shadowbabs ever recover. I literally can't stop smirking right now

>>171724729
>>171724849
>>171726030
>>171726916
>anti kripp posting

Samefag

>>171727535
>gold is shitty board clear, lower chance to get it in packs
>banishcaust is silver
What the fuck

>>171727535

It's just like that Ouro reveal.

Except this time it's an effect that matters.

>>171727560
By playing Royal aggro with Prince and Lord.

>>171727606
Rarity has nothing to do with power level

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>>171726435
shitty 90s rock to go with my shitty combo-control decks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnWyYqr93PY

>>171727676
lol

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It's okay guys
Dragon is still countered by dragon

You can banish their ouro and baha their baha

>>171727572
>>>/hsg/

>>171727296
>overreacting
It can't stop Khway summoned from Nep.

>>171726435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHqisfjEEJw

Always hoped for another state side Pokémon TCG handheld game. Music was so cash.

>>171726332
Yeah,

>>171726363
I'm still waiting on a heavier ramp list running ethica too as well as flutes to rush to 7 then go nuts. It's a real shame that wyrm spire is so bloody expensive and such a tempo loss that you have to sit on it until you can play it on t6-8 with a wild hunt/sieg and still have to play another tempo gain card to recover cause spire is bloody amazing for topdeck relevance

>>171726396
You may see a resurgence in pendants and conflagration because there's going to be a lot of thick boards causing problems breath can't solve alone.

>>171726396
He wouldn't have been so bad if he basically wasn't special summoned for free and could attack every turn. Just like, need a turn after destruction would have been fine so at least you could stall by blasting him with shit. Instead he's just a juggernaut that kills most wards that aren't bricks leaving you with no pp to clear up the shadow's other plays or you can't win through him. It doesn't help that draconification was unplayable as in other matchups 7-8pp for a 5/5 dragon just hurts you and even if you nut with an ivory dragon+draconification, you could have just played a leviathan or siegfried instead. it had its moments clearing the way in a face list or running solely to shit on shadow but still.

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A R E Y O U R E AD Y F O R T H E E X P A C

LET ME HEAR YOUR ROAR

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>>171727572
No one is saying you can't make a post about Kripp or when he's going to stream.
We've always been asking for you faggots to just keep it out of the OP since it's not something relevant to everyone and it's temporary.

>>171727702
t. HSfag

>>171727302
Maybe that's why they gave every class a big lategame ender. Hmmm.....

>>171727740
threads are temporary, life is fleeting.

>>171727404
>Haha! I dropped Bahamut against a control deck, what is the worst that can happen? Now all I need to do is Lightning to vic-
>Bahamut is Fangbladed/DoDed/Lurched/Petrified/Lilyed/Righteoused/Tribuneled

H-Hear the dragons r-r-roar?

>>171727296
The dragon banish spell is more balanced than Khawy desu

6 pp takes up most of your turn to 1 for 1 a Khawy that would otherwise cost two cards to deal with efficiently

>>171727820
They did?

>>171727839
You fucking /hsg/ fag, what I meant is that he might stop streaming while the thread is still going on and people will be misled.
Now fuck off and go shitpost on your dead general or reddit.

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>>171726296
Why is Forest allowed to have a literally powercreeped firstborn dragon?
Why the fuck is Dirt/blood/haven allowed to have a better conflagration?
Why do we have to deal with breath enhance fucking over a 6pp breath+sieg?
Why does neutral/shadow/blood/rune get a cheaper, better glacial dragon or haven get a better glacial dragon?
Why does haven/blood/shadow/rune get a better fafnir?
Why do we have to give up our whole hand to do what a vampy and 2 fortresses can?
Why does shadow get a better griffon knight/ironscale dragonfolk?
Why does sword get a better seabrand?
Why does forest get a better dragonrider devil?
Why does blood get two better shenlongs?
Why does rune get a literally 0-2pp dread dragon?
Why does shadow get a super zirnitra that doesn't even cost an ep?
Why does forest, shadow and many, many others get an inferno dragon but better?
Why does everyone get a neutral Orb dragon that's even better and cheaper?
Why does shadow get a polyphonic roar that isn't obliterated by the 70.1% chance to have a bahamut turn 10 while yo ucouldn't do anything with the windblasts thanks to all the do-nothing turns all over the place?
Why does sword get a genesis dragon that does more damage a turn earlier and doesn't brick?
etc.

>>171727868
Bahamut clears the board. You don't need him to stick if he does his job. You have Ouroboros to threaten lethal without risking losing cards for removal

>>171727839
So basically you just want to advertise for your shitty e-celeb who's not even master yet.

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>>171727218
The room timed out, anyone else out there?

79716
14/20

>>171727901
The regular effect is alright, but 10pp fucking delete everything is not.

>>171727714
But it does stop Nep's one win condition, Morde

>>171727949
The point was Bahamut + Lightning will break the game.

But Bahamut will never survive long enough for that to happen.

>Ouroboros

HIP HIP

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>>171726296
>Play polyphonic roar, leaving a do-nothing turn
>mfw
I wonder why

>>171728010
i'll play you in two minutes when i'm done with this story mission

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>>171727734
>had execution in my JO wizard deck to deal with folks running amulets
>can now banish whatever the fuck I want
It's time to ramp up and JO bros

>>171728015
>I can't beat dragon by turn 10
The only thing that makes it unfair is ramp, and that's just how ramp is supposed to be. We haven't really seen the upside much until now, but the concept is supposed to be when they get lucky they get ahead, when they don't they fall horribly behind. Most aggro decks see dragon as free wins because ramping is just them surrendering the board and entire turns.

This card will be very good against a few specific decks, and dead against everything else. It doesn't do anything against combo decks that already keelhaul dragon, it doesn't do anything against aggro, it probably won't even matter against the putative control forest, since they can pull double alberts from hand at turn 10.

>>171727923

They can watch the VoD on twitch.

While I agree it should be out of the OP I don't need to autistically shitpost about it 10 times, stay on topic.

>>171728006
you mischaracterize me.

>>171727572
kys ESL shithead

>>171728037
Baha survives often enough in my experience. Also, I've already said that if he doesn't survive it doesn't matter.
>memeing about Ouroboros
t. D0
Opinion dismissed

>tfw can't roost burst
Aww fuck

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Dragon is going to be Tier 1 guys

It's happening

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>>171728083

Alright, well

I'm going to bed. Hopefully there was a translation error so when I wake up it'll be like waking up from a nightmare. There isn't an error.

>>171728127
How man? When I play ramp against aggro I ramp once. That's it. That's all you need to get an early GMD and cuck aggros.

>niggas still asking if X kills Aegis

Jesus christ.

>>171728215
>Baha survives often enough
Have you not left Beginner yet?

>>171728015
It gives no body while Bahamut in most other non-Last Word situations it does almost the same thing but gives a 13/13 body, so you need to preferably already have good board presence to take advantage of it. You can't play anything else unless you reduced with Wyvern Cavalier, whereas Haven players can still set amulets and other drops after a Themis at this point in the game.

>>171728316
It's a meme bro just laugh at it haha

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>>171728238

Fuck, I did not mean quote anybody

>>171728127
Dragon got Sygil, Egg and Rahab to deal eith aggro. This serves an entirely different purpose.

>>171727903
Forest-Anomaly
Rune-Magical Big Guy
Blood-Snakes
Sword-Albert has been around
Haven-Aegis
Shadow-Eachtar

>>171728347
>>171728238
>translation error

>>171725847
>>171725847
>>171725847
>>171725847
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/tempestofthegods/

English text


NO MISTAKE

>>171728384
>egg
>deal with aggro
what did he mean by this?

>>171728127
>j-just kill it by turn 7 bro
Not when your deck is filled to the brim with wards, heals and board clears, especially that 4pp ward that will cuck all aggro. Dragon basically has no weakness beside DShift now.
>>171728324
And what's stopping you fucks from playing both? Bahamut is already cancer card and this new spell is gonna double that.

>>171728438
>>171728384
>Unica that heals for 2 every turn but you can't trade with
>not good versus aggro

>>171728419
>Anomeme
Replace it with Tarzan

why the panic
this just means nep will run 2478 instead of 2378
maybe people will run rise of the dead now, now THAT is something i want to see

>>171728258
>How man? When I play ramp against aggro I ramp once. That's it. That's all you need to get an early GMD and cuck aggros.
Bullshit.

if you ramp once against aggro you're missing a ton. Ramping on turn 2 means you have 0 tempo for both turns 1 and 2. Dragon doesn't really have a good play on turn 3 mana 4 either, maybe aiela and BB? Maybe Imprisoned? But imprisoned dies wayy too fast nowadays, and if you get turn 2 they'll just DoD your GMD. Aggro isn't, and won't ever be, a good matchup for dragon. Your goal is just to survive until turn 5 or 6 and hope you have saha luci in hand.

And even then you can bet they have 3 SKY KNIGHTS in their hand.

>>171725869
(You)

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>>171728519
>it's another episode of intentionally misinterpreting card text to get replies
Ehh, you got me I suppose, here's your (you)

@171728519
Stop it

>>171728243
Reddit misses you.

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>>171728010
Thanks Urias and Luna, sorry bout the carrot killing

79716
16/20

Almost there!

I can't believe it was dragon, of all classes, that completely eradicated any hope I had of making a dedicated Leonidas deck this coming format.

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>>171728545

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KRIPP START STREAMING BOYS

>>171726897
Lose?
It's even easier to rebuild a board effortlessly
There are even more 10+ dmg from hand combos
There are even more burn
Wards and even multi-ward are even less effective

>>171726917
It's a do-nothing, watch your opponent hard removal it for value play that kills their hand of removal while building a board until they finally can't answer the thicc and die. It's inferior in every way to wolfbolt though.
It autoloses to control who just saha-luci-baha-odin-statan you to the shadow realm

>>171726925
>>171727059
>>171727160
+3 IVORY
+3 BLAZING BREATH
+2 TRAIL OF LIGHT
+2 LUXFANG KIT
+3 FIRE LIZARD
+3 WILD HUNT
+3 ORACLE
+3 AEILA
+3 ETHICA
+2 DRACONIFICATION
+2 SIEGFRIEND
+2 WYRM SPIRE
+2 DRACONIC FERVOR
+2 SIBYL
+2 TRANSMOGRIFIED WYRM
+2 SHENLONG

DON'T LET YOUR MEMES BE DREAMS!

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>>171728436

Well, fuck.

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>>171728641
Hear... :^)

>>171728641
It's not just Leonidas, there is no point in playing any Control Sword, it just gets shat on by everything else.
Time to rev up those Alberts because it's Aggro time.

>>171728641
I know you want to play memes but you can just play regular rape sword

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>171728641
>>171728037
>>171728215
>>171728321
I mean, baha does often survive vs certain decks. And they can't always remove them right away. ID already fufills a similar purpose, clearing the way so baha can hit face. This will probably replace ID IMO, though I am going to miss those Imperial Dragoon into Baha OTK combos.

>>171728729
It should do well against D Shift, relatively speaking, which in combination with a better meta against aggro and general might make it a meta relevant deck.

Also don't count commander amulet out yet, 5 damage per commander might do some crazy shit.

>>171728674
>>171728629
Kill yourself back to /hsg/

>>171728693
>>171728436
>the text in the last thread at least was more fair since it covered ALL the field including your own

>correct text basically is banish raigeki

>>171728182
>you mischaracterize me.
>the only streamer that gets added into the OP is kripp
>implying you're not shilling him
Just take your cancer back to /hsg/.

>>171728871
It did not you non reading ugly motherfucker

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Who else is going to make a Frozen Mammoth deck?

>>171728802
>a better meta against aggro
No, the opposite, encouraging late game brokenplays actually makes people play aggro more, despite what you may believe.

>>171728674
18k viewers not bad.

>>171728629
>>171728674
No one gives a fuck you niggers, go back to hsg.

So which will bandwagoners be jumping to the most ramp blaster or blood moon sneks?

>>171728950
Yes, but cards like Grimnir really hurt aggro. And there was very little in the way of powercreep for aggro, on top of that.

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>>171728593
Thanks Luna!

79716
17/20

3 more, that's all that's needed

>>171728693

huh, just realized that Miku has a similar hair set-up to what Luna has.

fitting.

>>171729036
Grimnir is speed bump. Sword has lots of 3 def removal. Aggrobats will tech medusa gaze if shit gets too warded.

>>171729005
I think a lot of people will try ramp but soon realize a 10 mana "clear the board no matter what" spell isn't as overpowered as they thought, since it requires stuff like the game not being over at 10, there being a board to clear, etc. Maelstrom will be more consistently powerful, as a turn 6 play. Timmies are going to have a field day though. "It doesn't matter WHAT your board is, I can clear it! Oh... wait... I still died."

>>171729036
>Grimnir
That's lategame, and aggro generally dies if it gets to lategame, so, it doesn't change a single thing.

>twitch chat in maximum damage control
>spamming whatever they can to make SV look bad
>THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
>literally being paid or having so little of a life you sit and rage in stream chat when your favorite guy to watch playing video games plays a different video game

>>171729196
It's a 2/3 ward at 3 that is neutral. Some classes did not already have that capability at all.

>>171725547
run both since burst stream 10pp is banish ALL anyway

>>171729064
off by one LUL

>>171729252
Wards don't stop Aggro Sword though, they cuck the other Aggro decks but that's about it.

>>171729245
>hs
>30k viewers
>chat is super autistic babyrage spam

>sv
>chat gets really comfy when 15k or viewers remain because only weebs remain
>waifus and anime references

Is it viable to make a bloodcraft deck entirely centered around the gimmick of self healing?

>>171729307
I mean if you think aggro will have just an easy time as now or even easier, I hope you're right, since I'm pretty sure dragon will be doing MUCH better against aggro with Rahab on turn 3, Sibyl etc. I'd love for aggro to remain dominant in the meta.

>>171729245
krippfags are pretty much the epitome of pathetic as this thread already showed

>>171728674
>umaru
Cancer get out

>>171729542
not him but umaru is cute desu senpai

>>171729413
Thing is, Rahab only comes on turn 3 if ramped. But what is cut for it? Are they taking out the Imprisoned Dragons, removing turn 3 wards if not ramped? Aelia is more compared to Sibyl, and other slots are needed too. Is it just Goblinhungrys that are cut and Imprison Dragons kept just in case? What's the best ratio?

>>171729412
Depends on what you consider to be "viable".
I lost against someone playing self-healing Blood yesterday because it caught me off-guard and I had never played against it before. I had him at 1HP like 3 times, but he always healed back up. Could've probably won if I knew what I was up against ahead of time, but there's no way to telegraph this random asspull deck.

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>>171729584

>>171724617
who is the girl on the right? loli leonidas?

>>171729542
>fotm anime cancer
>advertising twitch celebrities
Really activates those mental almonds.

>>171729701
Monika

She is a children after all

>>171729672
>Depends on what you consider to be "viable".
51% win rate or so.

>>171729701
Unreleased Luminous card for the next expansion

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>>171729681

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>>171729719
>reddit
>redditing around

Nothing new here

>>171725523
at least you banish the amulet and go face

>>171729836
DELET THIS

It's a shame the two art styles are so polarizing. Blizzard can't balance for shit, their games are rng mess, everyone admits it, but no one cares.

>>171723885
>>Elana created a field of 10/10s?
>>BURST STREAM (including the amulets)
hello elana aegis

>>171729412
any control blood runs a lot of healing - unica, healing angel, vampire kiss, diabolic drain etc etc, up to using limil's on baha/servant for 13+ heal

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So /svg/, how do we fix Bahamut?

I think he should also hit his leader whenever he attacks something.

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Welp it looks like back to Reapers and Howls for Shadow RIP Nepnep

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>>171729773
GET OUT

It's another Kripp will 5-0 shitters episode.

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Here's a badly edited meme I made half-awake at 1 am
I couldn't think of any funny text to add

>>171729905
He's already fixed. And every set that comes out that power creeps with more and sooner wincons for more crafts makes him more irrelevant.