/twg/ - Total War General

grudgin'

Why do miner's with blasting charges let you attack a siege without building any equipment when you can't even use blasting charges to break down gates / walls?

>AI decides it can beat your army because it's a 20 stack of fucking pistoliers and the auto resolve says so
Well I mean, okay

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>>171622072
miners/miners with blasting charges are able to destroy gates very fast using their picks if you send them to attack a gate in melee

>>171622269
but only miner's with blasting charges let you instantly siege even though the blasting charges do nothing for taking out fortifications.

Are there any mods that make the AI actually siege settlements instead of trying to just starve you out every time?

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I need an Attila roll chart.

Here's a Charlemagne one in exchange.

>>171622345
A single bolt thrower also lets you do that, yet if you play the siege it wil never, ever be able to break down a gate.

Either mod it out (which might be the first step to a complete siege overhaul mod, now that I think about it), or accept that autoresolve is meant as magic to help the AI along because holy shit is the AI bad at sieges.

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Trees

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>>171622891
>Trees

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Can March 31st get here so we can be an expansion announcement closer to an actual playable chaos experience. Actually the disorder races in general are not that great with the order factions clearly getting the love in game 1.

>>171622621
How is Charlemagne? Worth the price? More fun than normal Attila?

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>>171622621

>>171622543
get a mod that makes siege equipment build faster, thats what the ai is doing most of the time

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I dunno if I've played a comfier campaign.

Fuck humans, fuck dwarfs, fuck the undead, the orcs, fuck everyone. Fuck you axe wielding shits cutting and burning down MY trees. The world is going to pay. They will all feed the forest.

>>171623064
the prince of seduction is the only chaos god Worth fighting for , you cant proove me wrong

>>171623268
Yes its definitely worth the price, whether or not you think its more fun than attila will probably be based on how you like the changes to battles/the campaign. Its a very good dlc

>>171622773
That's not the issue, the issue is that miners with or without blasting charges, are only good against gates because of their pickaxes. So why on earth restrict it to m(BC) when regular does the same thing?

>>171623435
>changes to battles/the campaign
You mean other than moving the clock forward a few centuries or did they make gameplay changes?

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seriously what the FUCK this isn't remotely balanced

>>171623357
Turn number?
Did you confederatre or genocide welfs

>>171623736
>worst elves are basically p2w
What else is new?

>>171623769
Turn 97, genocided welfs because I have a no confed mod and it seems to make more sense as Durthu.

>>171623736

expand your lebensraum

ZEIG HEIL MIEN TREE FUHRER

>>171623909
My what? But yeah don't worry everyone is getting the root.

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those vikings got balls, sometime

>>171622621
I like the dubs challenges in this one
Why don't we have them for other roll charts?

>>171623830
You need to upgrade the Oak to be able to confederate the welfs.

>>171624051
Oh well lol. Durthu hates them anyway, right?

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>>171623402
>Not being able to perform actions to please separate gods granting access to their followers and gifts
>Not being able to play it were Undivided balances it all out
>No chaos fortresses, shrines, or anything at all on the map to care about
>Attila horde implementation

just fuck me for the next year and a half or so

>>171624415
Evil Hoofy Beasties are love.

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>you will never lick Isabella's smooth, hairless butthole while she makes soft moans onto her chalice

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>get curious and try my own Marauder Horsemen spam

at last I truly see

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>>171624571
>Not being able to set up Herdstones in the deep forest , instead use towns for it
>relying on gorebull/mino goon squads rather than numbers just like GS
>Cannot corrupt Athel Loren, Herdstones don't work there
>No benefit to burning big tree
>Have to be really damn passive until total supremacy because again...
>Attila horde implementation

>>171623304
Thank you. Thought that'd take longer, I wandered off.

GIMME SOMETHING NEW

Do Dwarves usually take ages to "grow" in terms of a settlement? Im on turn 65 or so and I just upgraded that main dwarf hold you start out with to level 5.

>>171624824
That all would be great, but you have to make sacrifices in any vidya. I like the Horde aspect myself and I imagine you can get by without minotaurs. Just move three herds of 20 ungors together and swarm stuff.

>>171624952
They get very poor growth from their main buildings, you need to go after growth actively with farms and tech.

>>171624945
Aw man, I have to start as a blob.

Oh well. Should I return to the pagan ways, or hold the true faith of Christ?

>>171624952
They have very few Growth boosts if I recall. Probably deliberately as dwarfs are a dying race.

>>171625093
Paganism is great, but you can't get a culture victory/divine triumph

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posting warhammer rolling for fun

>>171624952

Rush growth tech, there's a couple boosts along the top lines you can have by about turn 30.

You can also drop points in the blue tree for a runesmith that gives growth to the province he's in without requiring him to deploy; allows you to carry him around in an army or have him do actions to invaders while still giving a province growth.

>>171625237
Very well, IN THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD, I SHALL CONQUER.

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>>171625035
Attila hordes are just so genuinely dis-interesting in this game. Forces you to turtle because losing a horde loses irreplaceable infrastructure which takes ages to develop into a decent fighting force.

In Attila it made sense but there are things these armies care about in this setting.

There is a reason WoC is so terrible in campaign and while Beastmen are better but the land-locked factions are overwhelmingly more popular. They have more shit to do and can actually produce new armies that are effective and not gimped trash.

>>171625595
Good luck anon
I hope the Huns don't give you too much trouble

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Holy fuck an army that can challenge me

>>171625605
Looking at this picture is there ever an attempt by an army of order invade the chaos wastes?

>>171626274
In the Empire intro of Total War Warhammer, you can see the result of one such invasion.

>>171625241
rollin

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>>171626274
Doesn't work out. Getting across the Sea of claws wouldn't work out, Norsca would eventually bleed you out not to mention General Winter kicking your ass and going across the Sea of Chaos would spell doom for anyone not in touch with the warp. And doom for many who are as well.

Also CA stop making everyone immune to fucking attrition.

>AoC as westphalia
>Btfo'ing franks at every turn
>allied with all the pagans
>making assloads of cash from former frankish territories
>all the pagans love me
>notice eastphalia and the danes are both led by hedonist morons
>pay them both 10k to be tributary states

neato, hopefully this counts towards the requirements for becoming the kingdom of saxony

>>171625746
>if the AI was smart
1 in a billion battle

>>171627396
Nah, it's a mod

Valuable Veterans makes things pretty interesting/goofy at times
Max rank swordsmen can go toe to toe with Chosun

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Decide the fate of the old world: who eats it next?

>>171627441
Which one?

>>171627604
Tilea/Estalia. It's too untidy right now.

>>171627604
The Empire

>>171627604
Let all your provinces collapse under negative public order and see how the world changes

I felt a little bad about ganking the <400 men Todbringer had left after finally finishing Khazrak, but he should have just bent the knee. Also, Gelt wouldn't give a single golden shit about dishonour, so w/e.

>>171625241
rollan for somethin gud

>>171623304
Once more into the hell of bugs and crashes that is Attila.

>beating the franks so badly that the only thing they can do is send spies to light fires in my cities

funny, but obnoxious

>>171623304
Small start with good anvil please.

>>171628892
LEAFENSRAUM FUR DIE UBERBAUM

>>171629062
>hell of bugs and crashes that is Attila.

are you sure you aren't thinking of a different game?

>>171629062
Eh? Attila is probably the second most stable TW I've played.

What sort of endgame, general purpose army composition should I be aiming for with Vampire Counts/Vlad? Their infantry are okay in the beginning but I find once I hit midgame most of my shit crumples like paper bags. The blood knights and varghouls seem to pull their weight like crazy, at least. Any tips?

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OGRES
G
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E
S

>>171625241
Please be something good.

>>171629421
What's their army comp and playstyle like?

>>171629420
Invest in wraiths. The armor piercing and physical damage reduction will do you good. Mortis Engine also a good investment.

Rock the boat!

>>171629420
I honestly hate endgame vamps, as you get so many fast units in the various cav/monsters you recruit, but your best infantry and support units are horribly slow meaning that you have a massive speed disparity

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>>171629880
Whoops, forgot to rock the boat.

>>171629740
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ogre_Kingdoms

>>171629740
Everything is monstrous outside a race of greenskin race that is so runty gobbos can even bully them

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IF OUR LORD IS T'BECOME KING Selling hovel: cheap, good condition

>>171629420

terrorgheists and anything wraithlike will do you solid.

>>171629112
...Hm. Burgundians. They seem strange. Well, they've got Germanic spear masters, so I guess they'll do.

>>171629740
an entire race of minotaurs, including cannon wielding minotaurs and minotaur cavalry

>>171625241

rolling to support tree hitler and the forest reich

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=815266198
I've heard this is a good way to help the AI get really strong armies rolling, as it gives them enough room to get the necessary synergy buildings
Anyone here tried it?

>>171630312
they're a great faction

>unique hurlers that are incredibly powerful in the early game vs unarmored targets
>shock cav w/ good bonus vs large
>dane axe wielding infantry
>incredibly strong javelins

>>171630174
It's almost harvesting season!

>>171629219
Nope. Every single time I start a campaign, around turn 20-25, the whole fucking thing crashes when I hit End Turn. Nothing fixes it, not reinstalling, not updating everything, nada. It seems like a super rare problem, though.

>>171627554
Biggest problem I have is that it makes Regiments of Renown completely useless unless you use that XP gain for RoR mod. Unfortunately that shit means all edited versions of the units go back to its original type, meaning you can't use Karak Kadrin Slayers for example because then the Dragonback slayers will be 100x shittier than normal ones

Who's recommended to start out as in EBII?

>>171630803
Fair points well made
At least a lot of RoR have special abilities on top of being high quality.
I was thinking about trying the less strong variant of Valuable Veterans, maybe 1/2 or 1/4. Enough to make unit ranks more meaningful but not so much that they turn into elites

On a side note, I had an alternative idea for RoR where instead of them being essentially just mercs you hire, you have to instead get a standard unit up to a minimum rank then transform that unit into its RoR version - that would be intredasting and never happen because I don't think the TW modding tools allow that much changery.

>>171629420
VC are pretty much "Hammer and Anvil: The Faction". You have essentially unbreakable frontline which holds good no matter how cheap, so you can invest heavily on their many many monstrous/cavalry options.

If you're talking MP, you'll want a Lord, about 8 Skellies, 1 WK, 1-2 Mortis Engines, 1-2 Blood Knights and spend the rest on whatever monster you can field. Maybe spam bats for tying down shit while the Blood Keep maniacs go to town.

On SP, you can pretty much go nuts after a while, but if you want a core army before you start printing dosh, 2 Grave Guards, 2 Corpse Carts/Mortis, a Varghulf, a Terrorgheist, 4 skellies and a few Vargheists serve me pretty well, with the rest being filler.

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pretty sure I just made the game shit itself

>>171631159
If CA expands their RoR system in the expansion they should definitely take hints from Cataph's implementation of the Southern Realms RoR (Still mad he won't do it for most other factions because he "doesn't want to step on the toes" of the faggot-ass modder that does those broken retexture only RoR shit).

Unique units that the faction wouldn't normally mixed with unique (and I mean actually unique, like Leopard Company, not just recolored base units like the Sons of Sigmar).

The Manhide's Manflayers are a pretty cool example. Incredibly powerful Dark Elves, being at the same time Crossbow and Glaide Infantry and excelling at both, they get massive debuffs to speed and acceleration while in combat (they get lost in the thrill of fighting and the ones not killing stuff are busy skinning corpses) and just being around them gives your own troops a Leadership Debuff.

Also awesome is the Krieger's Cursed Company, who are undead who constantly regenerate and revive AS LONG as they're fighting something.


Pretty unique stuff that makes me wish for a rework to existing RoRs

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>>171631637
look at how far away from the town the borders of the map extend

also note that the minimap has the town in the wrong spot

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>>171631762
I attacked a venetian army that was outside of a city but for whatever reason the game crapped itself and came up with this weird siege map

The army I attacked deployed inside the city, and the garrison army arrived separately as reinforcements

>>171631751
>Rework of existing RoRs

Hmmm, that'd be interesting. How'd one go about doing that?

Things like the more "normal" units would be easy. The Sons of Sigmar could just get a few unique custom models in between to show the regiment fought for a long time and collected lots of loot, the Warriors of Dragonfire Pass could get dragon-themed ornaments, but what about the more high leveled ones?


I mean, what would one give to, let's say, The Tattersouls, or the Eight Peak Lunies to make them more distinct?
And if we were to add new RoRs in the style of the Manflayers and the like, what would they be? What's the lore on that?

Could we see an Empire RoR made of Orks who are so crazy they believe Gork and Mork and Sigmar are the same? Or maybe an elite unit of Human Soldiers on the Vampire Counts' payroll?

>>171631905
also notice how there isn't a settlement health indicator, despite the fact that the game is stilling giving me notifications/dialogue for setting the town on fire

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>>171625746
>Eben the Ironclad
STONE COLD BADASS

So how do you get Boris for yourself? Just confed middenland? If so I'd the easiest way to do that just smack them about some first? I have no DLC BTW.

So in a co-op game my friend and I can't both be Empire, can we?

>>171632302
Just throw money at middenland every once in a while if you don't want to get into a war with them
I'm not sure if you'll actually get Boris if you don't have the beastmen DLC though

Any good mods for Attila? I've been playing Attila vanilla for a while now, and haven't noticed anything I'd desire, but I'm curious is all.

>>171633110
mod to change the office system for vanilla to the one AoC uses, where appointments are for life is neat and makes offices usable

>>171633354
>Appointments for life

Dear god I need this. The constant clickthrough is annoying. What's the name of it?

>>171625241
>>171625241
let's hope i get something fun!

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What's a nice mod for TWW that would make endgame less boring and desolate, have AI armies actually consist of high tier units?

Beating the game on almost every faction on vanilla Legendary was very stale.

>>171625746
Fuck man, Eben is always a badass in all my Empire campaigns. What mod is that by chance? SFO?

>>171633534
don't remember it off the top of my head

I never used warhounds before, what is their usage? Looks good against soft ranged units but doesn't seem fast enough to get there. Do you hide them behind the line until the fight starts than roll them out on the flank?

>>171632302
Restart until their underdog.
Get a NAP with them. It helps if Nordland is also underdog since those 2 like each other so if you get the NAP with one, you get it with the other. Then wait until you're maxed out from that treaty. Be sure you're killing gobbos and beastmen and not releasing them for money. Then throw an AVERAGE gift at them. Small gifts don't stack as far as I know. Then you should be able to get defensive alliance and military access, then you wait until there's a war they're in for a sure-fire confederation. Don't know why they like to confederate the moment war breaks out, but there ya go.
It'll take a while. But honestly if you're in it just for the land it's quicker to war them. They're on the way back from Marienburg... Then you can loop down to Pissenland to the south.

>>171633807
damn it

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>>171625241
Here we go!

>>171632445
You do. I don't have the Beastmen DLC and I have Boris.

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>>171633894
>Pissenland

>>171633894
God
damn
it
THEY'RE
Fuck me

>>171634013
Imperial distrust rolling faggot.
Every time.

>elves have done literally nothing for 50 turns
>suddenly they declare war on me, Bretonnia, and the dwarfs
It'll be fine right?

>>171634320
it'll be... PINE... right :D

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>>171625241
Oh boyo.. Rollan

Holy shit why does Beastmen infantry feel so right in many ways
>Cygor and Minotaurs with buffed charge and attack to blitzkrieg through infantry line
>follow up by bestigors encircling and annihilating all foot force
They are exactly what I wanted the Greenskin to be, ruthless meat grinder that give 0 shits about what they are up against

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=662922852&searchtext=

Anyone try this mod?

>>171634736
Tips for early game beastmen? Their morale is shit. Just sack/raze minor settlements and avoid big battles until you can recruit minis?

>>171636058
pretty much

>>171636058
Yep, get herd growth bonus anytime you can, circle between hidden, raiding and razing minor settlement. Get minos and cygor asap and you are pretty much set for bigger settlement

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Alberic - lord of the elite peasants

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>>171637087
Truly the /peasantperson/

Son of a bitch.
I have to demolish my Temple of Sigmar if I want demigryphs and the hysh cannon thing.

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G O B L I N S

>>171636334
>>171636570
Will do lads. Made the mistake of taking on some big empire stacks early and had my line melt due to morale.

>>171637087
Reminds me of a webcomic strip where a brettonian knight promises to give a penny to a mob of peasants and watches in horror while they tear apart a chaos warband.
Fuck, if only I could find it.

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Come on, guys...

>>171637087
Whoa.
Looks like a PS1 game. In a good way. It looks rad, actually. Limit your FPS to 20 and you have Warhammer Total War Fantasy 7.

>>171637209
I can only imagine how disgusted his face is at all times behind his helmet

>"Fucking plebs"

>>171638785
Yeah, it looks pretty pixelated, remind me of old games like Commandos 3. It's oddly nostalgic

>>171623402
>not worshiping a minor chaos god/daemon like be'lameme, hashut or horned rat

>>171623785
>>171623736
You guys are retarded

They WERE balanced. But playing low armor, low stamina, high attack factions requires you to not be a retard. Reddit is fully composed of retards, so they bitched and bitched until CA buffed the elves so they have too much health on top of their high attack power.

It's okay though because the inclusion of two more elf factions will balance things out by letting the elves fight for control of the world.

>>171639043
What does worshiping Hashut even get me

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I get it now.
Like shooting skellies in a coffin.

>>171638653

>PULLO FORMATION

>>171639015
Does it run well on your shitty PC? I'm looking for ways to make it run better.

>>171639176
Tusks and hooves. But you don't count as a beastman because those are boons specific to hashut.

>>171639207
It's a shame this is literally the only unique spell in the entire game. Everything else is:

>do damage to mans
>buff mans
>debuff mans
>summon more mans

>>171639176
As a Dwarf: cavalry, monsters, and magic. AKA a completed roster that'll actually be fun to play.

>>171639541
Is this more a case of GW source materiel laziness or CA laziness?

>>171639632
Combination of both. The tabletop game was, by definition, a wargame, so dealing damage was always a pretty important consideration. CA are just as guilty for not taking any creative liberties with the source material, though; it wouldn't take very much to make the different spells genuinely unique.

Take Pit of Shades. That's rad as fuck and actually a unique spell that functions like no other. Every spell should be like that, with enough changes to make it legitimately different from comparable cost spells in different winds.

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>you'll never be a Brettonian knight and discover that your best friend is actually a grill, after she gets wounded during battle
>you'll never keep her secret, while nursing her to health and boning the fit tomboy every night

>>171624021
thinking about doing them in the next historical rolling chart, for warhammer it's not really possible because of the amount of factions...

>>171625241
roll for what to play after finishing Nier

BARBARIANS ARE THE WORST FORT BUILDERS

Fucksakes, 8 god damn entrances? Why the hell bother even building a god damn fort at that point.

>>171639795
I'll cut them some slack. It's the first time they've tried something like this.
I'm still in shock at how good they designed this game. I mean. This is a fucking videogame.
They're good at making things look good, making things sound good, good music, good feel, good balance. Just bad pathing.

>>171640067
How else would they let in all the blood-loving horses?

>>171639894
>-50 chivalry

>>171640067
more exits for them when they sally forth!

>>171639795
>CA are just as guilty for not taking any creative liberties
No anon, CA would be legally guilty of breaking their license if they did

CA has no control over the creative side of Warhammer

>>171640256
They were allowed to add some OC donut steal units
I think the leash is a lot slacker now than it was around release

>>171640256
All they have to do is pass things by the GW representatives before they implement them. There's nothing stopping them from making spells function in unique ways whilst still staying true to the letter of the army books.

Sigmarines WHEN

>>171640303
>>171640350
I dont think you realize how this works

GWS forces everyone who uses their product to sign incredibly specific and punishing licenses on what they can and cant do, and you can be assured both GWS and CA had to spend a lot on lawyers just agreeing on the license

Any OC content that was or is going to be made would have been agreed upon literally years ago when development started and the license was made. Any new OC they would want to do would require them to redo the license which means dragging back in lawyers and restarting negotiations.

In other words; No, CA doesnt have creative liberties. They have GWS hands on their balls and if they so much as flinch GWS crushes them and snorts CAs remains like warp dust.

>>171640524
We've received confirmation from CA, multiple times, on how impressed GW are with what TWW has become, and that they've slowly been gaining more and more creative freedom with every release.

I don't think you realize just how much money this is making for GW, and if you're autistic enough to know how shitty they are as a company you'll know they value profit above every other consideration.

>>171639632
both. but the lore of fire should have a spell that makes a firery cage around a unit that has a similar effect. (stops them, but they can move out if they want, only they'll sustain damage)

some of the spells are hard to do justice, I mean purple sun looks so much worse than i'd imagine, but making a spherical pit of darkness does seem like it'd be hard to do.

While the spells that age people would probably be hard to show without their effects.

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>>171639284
My PC is a potato so no, It runs like ass.
Minimum res and settings and still barely 15fps

>>171640524
new GW is a lot better than it was a couple years ago.

ever since the CEO change.

>>171640748
How long until they somehow restore WHFB? I don't really care about Age of Sigmar existing, but the fact that it replaced FB is just insulting.

>>171640669
>We've received confirmation from CA, multiple times, on how impressed GW are with what TWW has become
Yes
>and that they've slowly been gaining more and more creative freedom with every release.
No, they haven't ever stated this. And this isn't how the legal system works. Someone at CA doesnt just ask someone at GWS 'can we make flying orcs' and then someone at GWS says 'sure thing bro'. It requires both sides to bring in lawyers and the license has to be modified.

>I don't think you realize just how much money this is making for GW
A literal pittance, total licensing profits went from 1.5 to 3.3m pounds, which is nothing in comparison to their TB sales.

Dont talk about things you obvious dont understand kid.

>>171625241
rollin

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>>171629740
Just imagine if every single unit you have just wants to EAT the enemy, just outright chomp them down. Now imagine those units are 10 feet tall, now imagine some of those units carry massive cannons, now imagine some of them ride 50ft tall war-animals, now imagine that they love eating the enemy so much, their head sorceror, the biggest and most magically respected boy around is A BUTCHER, A FUCKING BUTCHER THAT DRAGS AROUND A MASSIVE BOILING CAULDRON.

OGRES ARE FUCKING MENTAL.

>>171640834
Don't know, I actually managed to pick up a more expensive hobby than warhammer so i haven't really been a part of the scene.

>>171640748
That was 2 years ago and GWS has done plenty of faggotry moves since then

>>171640959
Reading ogre kingdom lore always makes me really fucking hungry. Their entire culture is just based around eating things.

>>171640964
>a more expensive hobby than warhammer
Do you collect yachts or something?

>>171641030
Thats why they get along so well with the Moots. You could be the Gordon Ramsey of chefs and the ogre would still gently jerk you off for whatever you're amazingly cooking.

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>>171637087

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>start new game
>recruit lord with appearance and trait you like
>rename him and transfer LL's units to him
>leave LL at home and play with your own duder
How many of you know this feel?

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Die separatist scum

>>171641752
I don't do it enough.

I still wouldn't say no to a lord-maker.

>>171640908
I don't know what to say. You're massively, massively overthinking this.

>>171641779
Literally the first to die, every-single-game.
I almost think they're designed so you can get your foot through the door with the empire

Saw a Bret vs Vampire replay.

Christ, vampires are way too fucking strong.

>>171641062
Fabergé eggs.

>>171642049
That's cool too. Do you show off your collection?

>>171640908
I don't think they do, anon.
I think it literally IS a case of "yeah bro that sounds good, and the lore supports it."

They even invented some shit for brets.

>>171641996
their infantry is sub-par
their monstrous units are great
their casting lores are great
their cavalry is shit outside of blood knights (which are great)
no artillery or ranged units

they literally just have a handful of amazing units among what is largely garbage

>>171641752
It's a pretty fucking good feeling. Feels good when your own character builds their own legend, fighting famous faces and making an impact. Custom lord maker when?

>>171641062
Nah I learned how to fly planes.

>Chaos, Undead and Beastmen have dogs
>Empire, Welves and Brets don't.

BUTWHY?!

>>171642137
I'm thinking more the fact that they can just vomit out a fatass unit of blockers to spoil charges/pin down valuable units. That, and terror ruining morale.

>>171642201
Because small, but vicious dogs are all reserved by adventurers.

>>171642289
is that canon?

>>171642289
Lucky rat catchers.

>Manfred attacks The Moot with level 1 guardhouse.
>Lose
>Lose
>Lose
>Savescum some more.
>"Oh yeah, I'll hire a lord and get the tattered souls and sigmar's sons.
>He brings Kemmlers army too
Fuck I'll save scum the fuck out of this yet. You don't even know, game. I'll unbuy every building and have an RoR army you fucking fucks.

>>171642201
I could never figure out how to use dogs in Rome.
What the fuck are they for? Do I flank with them? Launch them at lightly armored units. Launch them at heavy armor before my line gets there?
I don't fucking get it.
I mean I do in real life. A Spanish Mastiff probably weighed more than any Native Americans. That's probably why Balboa's half Mastiff, half Greyhound earned the pay of a lieutenant.

>>171642339
Well, no, I just made a reference to a particular WHRPG character class called rat catcher who has a small, but vicious dog as a companion.

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Huehuehue

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>when you win a battle that you, for a moment, were convinced you were going to lose

Is a there a better feel in all of Total War?

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>>171642201
>>171642289

>tfw no loyal little Empire dog

>>171642339
no, brets have hunting dogs, and truffle dogs the latter is the more vicious. but they were never used in units since peasants work just as well. and are less valuable.

>>171642751
yeah winning one of those battles by the skin of your teeth and with a heroic effort from your general.

>waging a giant war against both vampire factions
>Wissenland breaks their trade with me
well that's alright I guess
>two turns later they break the NAP
well I suppose that's alright, I'll send them this gift to be sure
>chaos spawns
>vampires are on the cusp of defeat
>WISSENLAND HAS DECLARED WAR

CHAOS IS LITERALLY ON OUR DOORSTEP AND WE'RE ABOUT TO BE RID OF VAMPIRES FOREVER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

>>171643324
Its all too realistic in brettonia that a dog could outrank about 100 human peasants, a dog of noble breed could probably even COMMAND 100 peasants

So how are there still nobles in brettonia? What I mean is how do they keep up their numbers they die in droves adventuring and in war and in the one in a billion peasants that get made into nobles their children just go on to being peasants anyway.

>>171642483
Personally i use dogs in games to be mixed amon normal troops as well as being made to run around the enemy forces and ripping the shit out of artillery, and the greatest thing is that its not worth wasting cavalries time on stopping me, MWUHAHA

>>171643545
They run away from fights, like, ALOT!
And have the freedom to pick and choose fights, or hire mercs if they're feeling not upto it.

>>171643545
Same way they did in real life. They had as many kids as possible and remarried when the wives died in childbirth. Meant that men could keep spawning children into old age.

>>171643629
>Brettonia knight runs into ogre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYFefppqEtE

>>171643545
1% of 5 million odd people is still a shit ton of people anon

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>>171643457
yes

>>171642483

The demolish archers and artillery faster than normal cav and they get there faster than normal cav because they're usually the fastest units in the game.

Amazing for chasing down routing strong units so they never come back too.

>>171643895
>>171643943
Mans best friend for a reason.

I feel like we're gonna need them when skaven get here.

>>171643629
>or hire mercs if they're feeling not upto it.

Bretonnia is literally the only faction that didn't allow mercs

>They run away from fights, like, ALOT!
no they don't if they run they lose the blessing which only makes things worse

>And have the freedom to pick and choose fights
Literally the only right answer. and that's the magic of cavalry.

>>171644015
Sorry, "Shepherds" if ya wanna get anal. Maybe not the running then

Why is Lileath such a manipulating bitch?

>>171643375
This is me with fucking Averheim.
Their armies can't walk around their own lands without suffering attrition because the vampire corruption has gotten so bad. The endless tide of undeath is spilling out across the realm and I've had to fight devastating Pyrrhic battles with Averheim, who has somehow not declared war on any of the vampires but is at war with every Empire province.

>it's a chaos stack suicides itself into your best army because it thinks it's shit units are good for some reason episode

>>171643943
I see, I see.
>>171643568
This is also a good idea.
>Waste your time fighting dogs, or do something else while getting killed by dogs.
I mean, it's not like you're ever strapped for cash in the campaign, but...

>>171643457
Remember that thing about a good horse being worth how many serfs in Russia.

>>171643375
>Not securing the distrusting count first.
It's first grade, Spongebob. Reikland, Marienburg, beastmen, quest, wasteland, Wissenland, confederate whoever isn't actively getting their shit pushed i.

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CHARIOTS desu

>>171644620
Not all games go as squeaky-easy smooth on Legendary anon

>>171644671
>Kraka Drak with 3 stacks
what devilry is this

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>CA made the dukedom of drunkards a separate faction instead of Bastonne, the heart of Brettonia, a dukedom ruled by a direct descendant of Gilles le Breton

>assembling a stack of 20 demigryphs on legendary

This...

This is POWER

I've been playing total warhammer for like 80 hours and I just realized that the purple things in the trait tree are the available quest battles

I thought they were passive stats or some shit

>>171644671
pyrrhic/close victories with chaos are so dumb, at worst you still have 50% of your army left

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>>171645851
>not 19 tanks

>>171646108
I said power. not memes

>>171625241

roll

>>171625241
rolling for the BEST character in the game

>>171625241

why is everyone afraid of Morghur? He looks more friendly than the other beastmen.

>>171625241

I do not possess silly little miniatures

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This is just shameful

I'm new to warhammer but did GW really do this

>kill warhammer fantasy and release the license to everyone
>replace it with a shitheap that failed
>later numerous warhammer fantasy games appear and the popularity of the franchise skyrockets while the tabletop is dead

>>171646453

Because he's like chaos and stuff

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>>171646515
>hates and fears bar-bars
>is a bar-bar

Sounds like the human condition alright.

>>171646515
It's more common than you think

>hates white/black people
>fears white/black people

>>171646553

>release the license to everyone
No, they still have exclusive rights to it.

>replace it with a shitheap that failed
Yes

>>171646553
>later numerous warhammer fantasy games appear and the popularity of the franchise skyrockets while the tabletop is dead
No

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239th for Memri

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>>171645476
I had kraka drak the norse dwarves mod installed, I think it buffs their economy

>>171646918
don't just spam memri-pics, you will only diminish their value

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>>171647000

Fuck you but I can't argue with those trips

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Late Bronze Age Total War when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

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>>171647000
>>171646918
I'm gonna keep posting this one until it's completely dead.

>>171647246
Mmm yes plz.

>>171646675
white/black people are just the worst

>>171647246
Sea People
Sea People
Taste like crabs
Talk like people

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>>171640959
>>171629740


AND NOW imagine that their GOD is a living giant maw , who came from the SPACE.

and it's supposed to be a Tyranid that crashed and mindcontroled the closest lifeforms to be fucking hungry

Do you think they'll release better modding tools once the trilogy is complete?

>>171648025

No

>>171648018
its also likely that its just a massive asteroid that crashed into their land (probably summoned by Cathay mages) and that the ogres overreacted to it thinking it is a god , and because of that the great maw as manifested itself into the warp

>>171648273
But why the hunger? Space tapeworms?

At the end of the campaign, Chaos is defeated and the Age of Peace has settled, now you need to drive the blade home and claim the Old World. The Empire is pretty bloated, the Von Carstein dynasty is no more, Brettonnia has lost quite a bit of ground to Athel Loren, Estalia is probably no more, the Border Princes are a single city nervously shuffling closer to Tilea and the Dwarfs have of course won the Badlands bowl. Who goes out first? In this case I'm the empire, I'm thinking about clearing out Bretonnia and Athel Loren first before squaring up against the Dwarfs that control half the map.

>>171648416
the ogres before the great maw crashed where always eating all the time and raiding , all it did was making them have even more reason to eat things

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>>171648416
>>171648459


A giant comet that glows and burrows its way through the earth on impact. At both ends, it sports a giant crater-mouth. One in the ogre mountains, the other in the sea (whirlpool style). Also, it fills the ogres minds with bloodlust and hunger (hive mind and synapse) and drives them to consume the world.

>>171648556
>>171648459
>>171648018


do other races know about great maw?
it could not be a chaos god itself? not a lorefag

>>171646453
Sitting next to him makes your dick fly off.
Also he cant die.

>>171644524
Thats why i need MORE dogs, im hoping skaven have lil rats or rathounds.

>>171648726
i dont think so , only the ogres workship it , maybe Cathay know about it , since they are in a war with the ogres since millenias

>>171648726
It's just a giant Warpstone comet that crashed into the Ogre Kingdom, wiped out two thirds of their population and rendered the steppes around it barren and inhospitable. The surviving Ogres became migratory and they already had huge appetites and they became cannibalistic, eating smaller weaker Ogres as well as people in order to survive. People just love the retconned bit of bait from the 80s/90s that the Warhammer World is a world in the Eye of Terror and Sigmar is a lost Primarch or that the 40k Universe exists in a glass bottle in the Wizards College of Altdorf.

That said, it's possible it might have some relation to the Chaos Gods akin to the Horned Rat, who is a distant cousin of sorts and shares a lot of the Domains of the Chaos Gods, but gets very angry if you think or say that.

>>171648726
Its not a chaos god as far as we know, and probably, but its near impossible to travel to.

>>171625241
rollan

>>171648896
>the 40k universe exist exist in a glass bottle in the wizard college of altdorf

holy shit , did they did that ?

>>171648454
Elves and Brets at the same time
Then the slog of clearing shortscum from the mountains and the badlands

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>>171627773
>>171633670
Sorry for the late reply dude alcohol lmao
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=761596200

>>171648967

Old Warhammer was pretty goofy and most of the funny stuff got retconned a while ago, but it's still amusing to think about

>>171648967
I believe it was a throwaway line with the implication that it was a "world much like their own, grander in size and scale". It's been a long time and it was just a little teaser of a line, the stuff that exists to be thrown out of proportion, like the Great Maw being Tyranids, Horned Rat being a Chaos God, Old Ones, Warpstone=Warp when really, Games Workshop just made two game lines and reused a lot of names. Elves in Fantasy =/= Elves in space!

>>171646918
>>171647000
Damn, muslims are truly barbarians, pretty sad and pathetic

>>171649080
Total War: The Simpsons when

>>171647246
One thing we know about the next historical title is that it involves various "personalities", in the same vein as Attila and Napoleon. That rules out bronze age warfare because there honestly aren't any notable personalities.

Today is the day?

>>171625746
Fuck, now that's a solid treeman killing army

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>Chariots have been shit since release
>CA finally makes them good
>Now people bitch they are good
Fuck you /twg/ chariots FOR LYFE

>>171649873
question

are the expensive chaos chariots shit?

>>171649873
they are way too fucking durable

>>171649873
Did the patch actually change chariots?
I thought that was out with the Elves.
Most of the complaints you see are like twelve chaos chariots the AI uses against empire virgin playthroughs

>>171649390
I was gonna specify that exact line.
Thee kangdoms confirmed.

>>171650080
No they are pretty good, all the chariots are now.

Lots of micro though, as well as knowing how to charge and pull through units properly without being stuck in mass.

Charging head on to a wall of pikes, or sideways down a line isnt going to be very effective, but hitting from behind or across a single unit can wipe them out pretty hard.

Even the goblin chariots are pretty great, you can steam roll a whole archer unit if you hit it from the side taking down 1/4 of its health.

>>171650274
They absolutely melt to ranged or anti large, like they should, and against massive blobs of them like chaos does you can just box up and watch them all get stuck and die.

The first game had four base factions and four DLC factions.

The sequel will probably also have four base factions (probably High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Skaven) and four DLC factions.

Which four factions will be DLC?

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>>171650393
KANGZ and OGRES

>>171649436
kek

>>171650393
I think the DLC front might be a bit different as by adding four factions they would run out of main factions for the third release.

It's also really hard to guess depending on how they handle the grand campaign, if they do tack the new world on to the old(assuming first expansion is the new world, but that's a pretty safe assumption).
Kangz and Ogres seem like obvious picks, but only if there is a united campaign. Otherwise they would be more old world DLC.

Original plan seemed to be chaos themed last expansion and that is still kinda the only thing that makes sense for that.

>>171650779
Leak highlighted the fact that the third release won't involve army books. Chaos is being split in to four distinct factions, as opposed to just Warriors/Daemons/Beastmen. They could easily fill out the roster in the second game to prepare it for four filled out Chaos factions in the third.

>>171650779
I remember reading an interview where CA said that the final game would be inside the Realm of Chaos itself.

>>171650393
I wanna say Tombkings, cus the luzardmen can tag along from not africa aswell as high elves, so maybe new units and lords there, aaaaaaand.. chaos dwarves and ogres for us to go east with..? If not maybe a chunky Tilea/BP/Estallia dlc pack.

>>171650852
The calm before the storm.
>Get everyone used to fighting normal mortal battles with their favourite faction before shitting on everything with new daemons and their mechanics, the world in flames.

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>>171651054
>maybe a chunky Tilea/BP/Estallia dlc pack

Tilea deserves crazy da Vinci inspired units.

>>171651208
We could see those flying dogs of war

>>171650857
Could you find a source? The original outdated leak did say that the last release would be daemons but that is outdated as I just said, and realm of chaos seems like a poor idea for an entire expansion.

>>171650852
Which leak was this one?
If Daemons are released in the last patch then there will obviously be an armybook.
A roster for each god would be pretty lackluster for an entire release.
Unless it's half price and a third the size as the first and second releases it wouldn't work.

It would also be more than four factions.

>>171651425
Depends if they invent new units again.

>>171651425
The very first Russian leak that's completely outdated now since CA have said the game was much more successful than they expected it to be and have revised their road plan accordingly.

BUT, it's still pretty clear they were always planning for a big Chaos blow-out for the third game. That won't have changed. If anything they're just going to make it bigger.

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>>171651314
That would be cool, but I think they should expand on the idea of implementing da Vinci's designs to give them a unique roster.

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>>171651425
>A roster for each god would be pretty lackluster for an entire release.

>>171651425
>Chaos Warriors aren’t the same as Chaos Daemons; we are treating them as separate, just like the tabletop army books. Later on in the trilogy, you will be exposed to the full horrors of the Realm of Chaos.
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/164869/total-war-warhammer-dev-blog-chaos-warriors-pre-orders-and-dlc

>>171651208
>>171651603
No fair, Tilea gets all the cool stuff. What do Border Princes and Estalia get?

>>171650852
>Leak highlighted the fact that the third release won't involve army books.
Daemons have a book you utter pleb, the four factions are the four gods of Chaos which is splitting up a book, but they never said they were doing non-book factions.

>>171651630
Compared to four very distinct factions which share zero units with one another(could argue a tiny exception with high/dark elves though):
A single armybook of daemons split in four with duplicate warriors of chaos units with minor graphical detail is far less content.

Don't get me wrong, it would be good; but it sure as fuck wouldn't be near what the first and second games provide.

>>171651658
That just confirms an obvious roster split between warriors and daemons.
Last sentence refers to making sure they flesh out the daemons in general, not that you will be visiting where they come from.

>>171651670
Estalia gets conquistadors and outposts in Lustria.
Border Princes aren't a faction.

>>171650393
Tomb Kings, Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres, in that order.

From a geographical perspective it don't make sense to add Ogres before Chaos Dwarfs.

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>Constantinople falls to the Turks
>Pope allies with the Moors
>mfw

>>171651790
>minor graphical detail is
You making assumptions

There is no reason why they cant flavor the four daemon factions with traits from their gods to make each unique

Everyone also should realize the third expansion isnt going to be coming out for 3 to 4 years, hardly anyone will be caring about TWW since we will have the next historical title by then and the best bits (mainly lizardmen) would have already come out.

>>171651670
>Border Princes and Estalia

The Border Princes are home to bandits, mercenaries and pirates. They're also known for a mix of different races, so you could perhaps field dwarfs alongside humans.

Estalia could have conquistadors and the inquisition.

>>171651208
The minor factions really do deserve a little bit of fleshing out or reskinning. It's pretty ez money for them if they do it. Human models + a couple of specialty units.
Kislev, Border princes, Araby, Estalia, Tilea, Amazons + some of the empire subfactions

I'm thinking we'll have Tomb Kangz and exptra map space as the first DLC major for the expansion. An Araby + Estalia minor double pack could work, rivalry there. and brettonia can have their crusades.

It makes sense to just lump in the Syrian stunties with the Chaos expansion + have to ogres as a major DLC for those guaranteed purchases. Flesh out the norscans with this expansion too.

What will really blindside us is if the release for the upcoming expansion isn't helves, delves, lizards and skaven. That'll mean they've changed up plans entirely.
Im so goyed up for all this DLC.

>>171651902
>Trusting the Pope
First mistake

So, the Savage Orcs.

What the fuck am I supposed to do as them besides mash out the same 3-4 units for every army. Like, what's an endgame army as them, I see them get wiped out by the Greenskins in almost every one of my campaigns and I'm looking to try them out.

>>171651902
Sounds like something a Catholic would do.

>>171651904
Yes, I'm making assumptions. They would still have to go really far and make every non daemon unit as distinct as say noise-marines are from plague-marines. And even then it'd still fall short.
Your timeline is off, probably won't be that long. Especially if it is a smaller release than the second game.
The meme fantasy vs historical arguement means that there will be longevity even when other games come out.
But yes my point is along the vein that it can't just be disappointing daemons or they'll lose all momentum.
I still feel that a big end times sort of deal would work best for the last expansion.

>>171651916
Inqusition is Tilean.

>>171651981
Border Princes aren't their own distinct thing beyond being a pure mixed bag as somebody said. They should be split up and have really diverse area of recruitment.
Amazons have fuckall, as much as that disappoints the waifukids.

Disregarding gameplay, just in terms of aesthetics, description, personality, quest details and all that, who are your favorite legendary lords for each faction?

Gelt > Volkmar > Karl
Ungrim > Grombrindal > Belegar > Thorgrim
Vlad > Isabella > Mannfred > Kemmler > Ghorst
Skarsnik > Azhag > Grimgor > Wurrzag
Kholek > Sigvald > Archaon
Louen > Fay > Alberic
Orion > Durthu
Malagor > Morghur > Khazrak

>>171642049
Total war faberge when?

>>171652253
> Ungrim > Grombrindal > Belegar > Thorgrim
> Gelt > Volkmar > Karl


How's that shit taste working out for ya?

>>171652253
Gelt > Karl >>>>>>>>>>>>> Volkmar

Pure filth >>>>>>> generic stuntie > ungrim > thorgrim > grombrindal >>>>>>>>>>> beggar nohammer

Vlad > Manlet > Kemmler > Ghorst > Isabella

Grimgor > Snarsnik >>>>>>>>> Azhag > Wurrzag

Archaon > Sigvald > Kholek

Alberic > Louen > Morgana

Durthu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orion

Malagor > Khazrak >>>>>>>>> Morghur

>>171652085
Savage variants swap armour for Frenzy and a 30% reduction to incoming melee damage
They don't have any defence against missiles as a result
After the early going though you'll be recruiting the same kinds of high level units as with Greenskins

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>>171652253
Shit taste.

>>171652253

Gelt = Volkmar >False Emperor Karl
Don't find any of the dwarfs particularly interesting
Mannfred >Vlad > Kemmler > Isabella> Ghorst
Wurrzag > Skarsnik > Grimgor > Azhag
Kholek > Sigvald = Archaon
Alberic > Fay > Louen
Durthu > Orion
Khazrak > Morghur > Malagor

Pretty disappointed in the Chaos lords in particular. Wanted Wulfrik the Wanderer or Egil Styrbjorn

>>171652919
[shit taste intensifies]

>>171652253
My Top 5
Gelt
Skarsnik
Vlad
Wurrzag
Sigvald

Gelt makes it to the top because of his voice and battle speeches

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY

>>171652253
>just in terms of aesthetics, description, personality
Gelt > KFC > Volkmar
Belegar > Grombrindal > Ungrim > Lardgrim Fudgebearer
Vlad > Isabella > Kemmler > Mannfred > Ghorst
Skarsnik > Wurrzag > Grimgor > Azhag
Sigvald > Kholek > Archaon
Fay > Louen > Alberic
Durthu > Orion
Malagor > Morghur > Khazrak

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>>171652085
This was my basic army composition as savage orcs in my legendary campaign, which I completed yesterday. Take note that savage orcs recover a lot faster than normal orcs, hence lack of black orcs in the front line of my army. Other than faster recovery savage orcs aren't necessarily better or worse than the normal ones, they just have different tactical roles, being better suited to charging in and doing big deeps, but being less tough in a prolonged battle - not only they lack armour, but their morale is also slightly lower than other orc units.
Also I preferred using them because their recruiting building only requires 3 levels and gives you boar boys without requiring a separate building.
Bloody Handz usually get absorbed by Greenskins because they start in a pretty shit position and towns within their core region are contested between several factions, all of them capable of sniping those towns from under your nose. There's no worse feeling than seeing your enemy confederate with Greenskins while you are sieging down his last town.
Also they don't have that sweet gold mine that Grimgor gets.

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Hope you slaves are ready for the inevitable BIG DAWI ZHARR COCK.

>>171653552
>BIG DAWI ZHARR COCK.
For a Snotling maybe

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>>171653612
>Implying

>>171653552
>Big cock (for a dwarf)

>>171653552
>Hey, we are trying to use orcs as slaves, but they constantly rebel, what should we do?
>We're gonna create a breed of stronger, more intelligent orcs (who are still just as passionate about war), what could possibly go wrong?

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>>171653504
>>171652929
>Start out that sick Wurzaag playthrough
>Turn 7, check to see if any nearby orcs want to Confederate
>Bloody Handz do, I assume because Grimgor is giving them the hard orc dicking
>Turns out the Greenskins are getting fucked, and now I'm the most powerful force in the world
Well shit, time to sweep the badlands.

>>171653660
>prep the Orc
Why are Evil Manlets the worst Warhammer race?

>>171653770

>AAAAAGH SAVE ME THORGRIM

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>Free Company Militia
>They aren't free

>>171653925
>Start out that sick Wurzaag playthrough
>Confederate Bloody Handz
????

>it's an endless skaeling stack party in the ocean but if you go north to raze their shit the chaos stacks will come

>>171653770
In the early lore it was the Chaos Dwarfs who were responsible for giving metal working technology to the Greenskins that allowed them to evolve past Savage Orc/Forest Goblin primitivism and in turn overrun the Dwarven empire.

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>>171653552

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>>171654094
>play wood elves
>no attrition from snow or chaos
>their settlements are colonizable
>the entire world will suck your dick for wiping the floor with them
>mfw

>>171654084
Maybe he meant Bloody Nose

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>>171654224

No attrition was a mistake.

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>ITT: Butthurt slaves

While you're getting slaughtered in the frontline I'm chilling back here on my artillery piece, watching the fireworks.

>>171654084
>Bloody Handz
Whoops, I meant those fucks who spawn under Grimgor.

>>171654240
Yep. I don't remember any fucking faction in this game.

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>>171653552
>9

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>>171654301
I agree and soon every faction will be immune to all attrition because CA thinks that will help make factions unique.

Stop it

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>>171654327