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Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/

New expansion "Tempest of the Gods":
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/tempestofthegods/

Current revealed cards:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jfOwl01oC0Xw7Jowun6LBK_01qzmpauM6yN7VhYlefc/edit#gid=384699390

All-in-one Steam undub and uncensor:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/016ysnkhenaxkud/sv+uncensor+1.4.61.zip

All-in-one Android undub and uncensor:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/g3wprejd9foygnr/v1461+Folders+a+and+v.zip

Useful Links: http://pastebin.com/SZNKYEMi

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pls concede

41761
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OUR TIME IS HERE DRAGONBROS

HEAR
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I really don't want to deal with ouroboros.
Please turn him back.
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Will someone host a tournament tonight?
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>you lived long enough to see dragon uncucked.

Is this real life
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Play Havencraft.
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I TOLD YOU THAT /SVG/ WAS WRONG
>>171313317
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>>171320880
thank you jurius
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>>171320938
No, Discord. Stay away with your shit tournament.
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>Dragon gets 2 mediocre to decent legos
>Dragonbros party like they got their own Albert
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What happened?
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>all new dragon cards are really good for T2
Is dragon saved?
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>>171320930
INFINITE DEMONIC STRIKE BABY
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>>171320906
My oc card isnt needed anymore!
Whitch craft should I recreate it for now?
Hear!
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>tfw eyes actually got watery because of the excitement
They did it guys Dragon is finally playable
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Daily reminder that:

>as long as morde exists, Shadowfags can't complain about anything.

>as long as ramp exists, Dragonfags can't complain about anything

>as long as ... bloodfags are subhumans anyway so they can't complain about anything
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>>171321015
do I look a discord faggot to you
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>>171320906
Stop this meme. It isn't good.
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>>171320980
Not until I can play as a cute moon bunny.
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Would this work?

Ouroboros cost 1 less for each time Ouroboros has been cast this game.
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>>171321071

Ouroboros not so shit anymore
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>>171320772
>mfw ouroboros was actually good
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>>171321130
Still shit, it needs storm or rush.
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>>171321196
Not every class can be sword anon
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>>171321161
What are you fucking talking about? It's garbage. It's Mordecai that has to be played from hand every turn. Do you not understand how terrible that would be? No one would run Mordecai if killing him actually made the enemy sink their entire mana pool every turn to bring him back. And no, 8 mana is not worth a fucking demonic strike.
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>>171321104
Vampy does, batlord.
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>>171320772
Lmao 2carrot
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>>171321130
Ouroboros is already plenty strong, its cost is justified.
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>>171321196
Just evolve Zell niichan.
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>infinite healing angel + demonic strike on an 8/4 carrot
Ayy lmao
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>haven
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Lef or rite?
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>>171321268
You forget dragon can ramp?
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>>171320930

Run odin.
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Why the fuck did cygames do that
Toying with my emotions like that
Is this some sort of new marketing strategy?
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>>171321126
Would Eris with a bunny suit be good too?
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>>171321354
UNGA
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>>171319675
>Bane, random enemy, random destruction, board dmg, board destruction, simply hit him in the face.
It's like you've never tried to meme with haven target immunes

>>171319150
Dread dragon already wasn't enough, 3 is less than that and there's much more healing to make the burn irrelevant
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>>171321268
Post that Ouroboros
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>there are people saying that the fusion of Carrot with Temptress Vampire in the Ramp class isn't good
You'll be crying about Ouroboros in one month, just wait for it.
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>>171321383
Ramp doesn't make a card good. That's why dragon runs so many neutrals.
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@171321378
link
http://imgur.com/a/g8OD1
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>>171321354
no lion spirit feelsbadman.
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>>171321196
>storm
Turn 7 13 damage to face
Hm, seems fair
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>>171321393
They where testing us.
Only true dragonbros stayed and had hope.
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>>171321196
This.
At least it's 3.5/5 card now. Giving it storm or rush will turn it into 5/5 card.
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>>171321378
neither is amazing but i've won games off rise of the dead getting back kwahy 2 or 3 times

I'd go left
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>>171321268
Just ramp dude. INFINITE VALUE
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>>171321394
No
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>>171321268
Mordecai doesn't heal you when he dies. Mordecai doesn't cast demonic strike everytime he comes back. Think of it from the opponent's perspective; it is worth the ressource to kill this guy when killing it will heal him and he'll come back next turn and do demonic strike again?
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>tempest of gods didn't have Euryale or Stheno
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>>171321506
The funny thing about this card is it MIGHT actually be good in a mid-range/aggro deck that dumps its hand. But it absolutely isn't good in ramp. Spending your mana every turn to bring back this beatstick to die to a carrot is such a bad play in a deck that already sits there with a big hand most of the time. The infinite value it offers is of most value to decks that run out of cards, and take two.
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46785
concede please
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>>171321321
>turn 9 evo
>Dragon
Sorry, not everyone is the pet class

>>171321324
>t. never played dragon
Single follower plays virtually never amount to shit then you're in odin/baha/satan country and you're outmatched
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Source on the Ouroboros unfuckery other than that site?
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Because the meta is naturally shifting away from hard aggro decks, saharamp can play much more greedy and be much more consistent. Due to the fact that saharamp already does extremely well against control decks, and this new neutral card that does 2 damage to everyone when it attacks should solidify its dominance over midrange decks. Saharamp is now a solid Tier 1 that will only consistently lose against neph, which will drop down in popularity due to midrange shadow. Something saharamp should have no problem against.

But here we have Storm ramp. A deck which had a really hard time surviving early game and clearing tanky boards of midrange decks. With the new dragon legendary, not only does this completely fuck over midrange, it forces control to use their hard removal on it instead of using their hard removal on forte, genesis, bahamut, etc. Unless they can banish it, from turn 5-6 and on if you have decent ramp, you will just keep healing and they will not have a board at all.

I expect storm dragon to dominate the meta since it already does extremely well against d shift, seprah, and control decks. With the apparent death of aggro and the new dragon legendary to heavily counter midrange, i except storm ramp to be an extremely dangerous deck. Possibly even the cancer of this expansion.
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>>171321502
does rise work with morde?
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>>171321508
shit taste senpai
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2 hours ago, at Cygames HQ:

>guys, today is the day
>they'll finally get to see ouroboros
>i can't wait to see their reactions
>we saved dragon, i hope they like it as much as we do
>CYGAMES WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT
>DRAGON IS KEKED AGAIN
>w-what the fuck happened? w-why are they so angry?
>wow dude, look at this
>they completely butchered the text on the card man
>quick, send them a message, they HAVE to fix the text
>damn, the hype is completely ruined
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>>171321268
yes but you get healed every turn and you can deal face damage every time. and it's not like they can just let it sit there with its 8 attack.

if you don't have a solution you'll need to waste resources on it. all while rowen gets to sit back and wait.

the key here is how early you get it out. t5 priestess into t6 ouro into t7 ouro is pretty decent pressure for those turns.
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>>171321440
Thats because the early game for dragon was so shit that they where unable to use any strong cards, and where forcing to spam saha + luci to stay alive.
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>>171321476
Well roach can still do that, plus lelDurandal anyway
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>>171321515
That's kind of my point. Most decks that play the control game will just play around it. Either they'll burst you down from the tempo loss, or find some other way to cockblock it. Essentially, they are incentivized to ignore it and take advantage of the fact you just spent 8 mana to Inferno Dragon.
If ramp dragon typically had the aggressive tempo and was the one dictating the pace of the game I'd agree it is good, but ramp dragon DOESN'T play that way, you're always coming back from behind, so this thing just intensifies that problem.
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>>171321635
I would guess it does
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>>171321440
Dragon runs so many Neutrals bevause every other legendary they have besides Forte is garbage.
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>>171321485
Dragoncucks are never satisfied until they get an instant win all-in-one card.
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So is haven going to popular because meme dragon and their last words? Maybe dirt rune popular now?

I still think blood legendary is better than dragon.
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>>171321617
>Turn 9

9pp you mean.
Which would be around turn 7-8 for Dragon

If you want a better combo dragon can have a 13/13 storm for 7pp
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>>171321196
>Rush
Play Saha, rush something, die and be healed

>Storm
Play Zell alongside it, 11 damage to face + Zell's 4 damage with rush

This thing isn't just good by itself, the whole point is that it can combo with tons of cards, and since it always goes back to your hand then the combos will always be available
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>>171321591
I'll have fun with it in flute at least. Plus 2 water princesses and I can play ouroboros and 2 hellflames per turn
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>>171321607
thanks luna
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If Ouroboros is going to see play how many are people going to run?
>put in 3
>the other 2 become clutter the moment you draw 1
>put in 1
>never draw it
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>>171321750
>Dragoncucks are never satisfied

That sounds lewd
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>turn 1 egg
>turn 2 oracle
>turn 3 Rahab
>turn 4 JO Crystal
>turn 5 Salamander's Breath
>turn 6 Saha + Israfil
>turn 7 Orobouros
>turn 8 Orobouros
>turn 9 Grimnir
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>>171321690
Yeah, that's a fair point, but I don't consider godhand ramp to be something you can or should balance ramp around. That doesn't happen every game, or even every third game. Maybe I'm super unlucky, but I consider any play that relies on perfect ramp to be a BAD play.
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>>171321750
people who post about dragon dont know shit about the class
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>>171321086
how do you even make these cards?
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>>171321689
Maybe they butchered it on purpose because they love to see dragon-players cry
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>>171321779
Saha only works on neutral cards bro
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>>171321751
>blood
>dies to themis
>dragon
>dies to themis but doesn't care

Really wonder which one is better,.
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>>171321689
And for 2 hours, they experienced what it was like to live as rowen

>>171321720
Just cavalier into ouroboros leviathan into serpent's force forte face bro
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>thinking...
c'mon roachshitter you can't even count to 20 play, just play already
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>dragon will have 2 mediocre decks
>saha ramp and ouro storm
>saved
It'll be playable but that's it
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>>171321812
It seems like a 2 of to me. You really want it in the mid game, but it's like Seraph in that having more than one in your hand is pretty shit.
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Okay, poll time. How many of you who think Ouroboros is great have 500+ games on the craft?
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>>171321689

It's still hot garbage.

There's also no answer to dshift now, since turn 6 lethal aggro is getting wiped off the face of the earth I guess.
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>>171321905
>ouroboros dies to a 2pp BlACKED + 1 damage or 3pp Petrify
>maelstrom serpent doesn't

Really make me think...
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>>171321972
>phoneposter
>retarded post
I cant wait for the endless crying on here about how cancer dragon is.
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>>171321905
They'll just fucking slam snake priestess and use baldy man
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Looking for non concede victory, I can just beat on you. Happy to concede after if you need, use 'lets battle again' if you want me to
57544
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>>171321972
JO and Evolve are back
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>>171321812
Probably going to run 2.
Then its eaiserr to draw 1 and if 1 gets banished I got another.
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>>171321750
The people saying this card is shit don't know anything about Dragon. Dragon hard a weak early game and nothing that good to Ramp into besides Bahamut. Now they got a Fervor snapped into a 4/5 body + a 5 health Ward that they can play on turn 3 and a recursive Temptress with 8 attack to Ramp into. Dragon is saved.
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>turn 1 egg
>turn 2 oracle
>turn 3 oracle/aeila
>turn 4 jerk off
>turn 5 Miko
>turn 6 Ouroboros
>turn 7 Ouroboros
>turn 8 Ouroboros
>turn 9 Ouroboros
>turn 10 Ouroboros
>turn 11 Ouroboros
>turn 12 Ouroboros

This is the meta you've chosen.
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>>171322056
your post autoloses to Aegis
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>>171322062
Not an argument
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>>171321546
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>>171321720
But it can kill a follower when it's summoned, and more if you have evo or play another card alongside it. It's not as if the opponent can necessarily win the next turn, it does help taking over the board, and if they just ignore it then you have 8 worth of damage on board next turn on top of what you play that turn.
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>>171322025
>maelstrom serpents
Small snakes

>ouroboros
Big dragon, fights 1vs1 against zeus.

Blood can't even compete
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>>171321720
It doesn't have much of a tempo loss when it deals 3. If it was an 8 4 that did nothing, then maybe, but this will most likely kill off a couple of things if not just threatening lethal.
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>>171321750
It's more that we're already so far behind that even an albert isn't enough at the town we're walking into

>>171321972
We're gonna tier 1 with neutralcraft, tier 2 with saha-luci ramp, storm dragon and tier 3 with flute, midrange spire, seacraft, disconewt otk. JO will be a dead memer from all the healing and do-everything cards
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>>171322025
200 games on dragon, however i have at least 200 wins in every craft and im masters. The card is going to shape the meta.
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>>171322065
koume is my waifu
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>>171322064
how do they do that if they got no board?
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>>171322168
B-but Zeus's statline can kill two Ouroboros...
H-hear!
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>>171321894
My bad
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>>171322201
Really dude? Are you pedophile or something? Not cool man
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>>171322131
maybe if you actually read the card instead of shitposting on the school bus youd understand why its so good.
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>>171322225
>playing against dragon
>no board

Cmon now.
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>>171322065
Thanks Vamp
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>>171322103
>no zell+ourboros on turn 8, 7 and 10
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What now?
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>>171321101
Why would us shadow players be complaining? next expansion is going to be the best one for us
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>>171322225
This. The opponent has to destroy Ouroboros everytime or take 8 dmg to the face
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>>171322065
I want to rape those girls
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>>171322225
>In what universe did they brick for 4 turns?
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>>171322360
>killing a 4 health creature is hard
If there was a special effect that made the enemy lose 8 mana every turn if I did 4 damage to a creature, I'd take that trade every fucking time.
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>haven AND dragon get legendary mords
>forest gets the most powerful necromancy effect in the game
>blood gets a better midnight haunt
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>>171322360
Ya. Hes a pefect hard removal/evo point waster.
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Are you sure the unfuckery is real? You don't to get disappointed AGAIN, do you?
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>>171322309
no_
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>>171322440
Your meme is too late my friend
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I don't get it, what makes Ouroboros so good?
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POST THE FUCKING OUROBOURUS
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>>171321854
well, fair point.
t6 ouroboros is brutal, but the later you play it, the more it loses its value. it's good because it extremely resource friendly. having your opponent waste cards on ouroboros is exactly what you want.

turn 8 ouroboros is meh at best
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Is it bad form to concede to players <A in unranked?
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>>171322483
It's a carrot with storm.
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>>171322494
Ouroboros
10 mana
Fanfare: Lose the game
Evolve: Win the game
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>>171322349
Left is the more practical choice
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>>171322483
People who've never played a game of ramp dragon in their life not understanding you're always fighting from behind and the enemy always has a board until Bahamut.
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>turn 1 egg
>turn 2 oracle
>turn 3 aiela against control rehab against aggro
>turn 4 dragon warrior evo or goblinmount
>turn 5 draconic fervor
>turn 6 ourobro evo
>turn 7 ourobro evo
>turn 8 prince of darkness or forte urd
enjoy the meta
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GUYS

If Priestess say increase MAXIMUM play points by 1, would that mean you can go past 10?

Dragon oracle says gain an empty play point orb.
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>play ouroboros
>they ignore it
>evolve it, play arriet, do 20 damage
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>>171322437
Mordecai is the best follower out of those 3 since he has synergy with Nep. Fucking shadowfags, I swear.
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>>171322428
Rowen heals for 3 each time you kill it, so you have to burst him crazy with aggro.
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>>171322351
>Best
If Haven rises back up nope
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>>171322454
It has to be. The card is garbage with the old text and actually legit with the new one.
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>>171322536
>storm
I don't see that on the google doc
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>>171322483
Recursion, does something even if he doesn't get to swing, heals
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>>171322309
>pedo
>with those hips
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>>171322437
You get a 3/4 so you can play some 2/2 with free necromancy effect on turn 6. Rejoice!

At least Thane, Zombie party and Deadmoon disciple are good.
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>heals like 15 hp
>still lose to t9 Albert
wow nice game shadowbabs
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>>171322549
UR NOT HELPING
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Another teaser page from the Shadowverse manga/4koma anthology book out near the end of the month.
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>>171322483
Think of it like this. He is a resource that is constantly being refreshed. Every turn you use 8 pp to get 3 damage on whatever you want and put down an extremely high attack follower. Your opponent WILL remove it or risk 8 damage face or you Urding it or something. Them REMOVING it outside of banish/transform will heal you for 3 and put it back into your hand. Next turn you can do it AGAIN, unendingly, throwing dstrike out and regaining HP as you opponent has to remove the threat again. Ouroboros will exhaust your opponent's board and removals while costing you no cards at all. It's neat as fuck.
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>>171322360
I don't think anyone except maybe a shit daria list has had trouble with that this meta. They're often going to have 3-5pp leftoever to play additional cards too.

>>171322483
You always have a thick to play, on curve it can zap 1 thing with its evvect and survive evo attacking some things and at any time after you can kill something that only had 3 def after a trade then drop a shapeshifting dragon/dragon rider or zap whatever you zapped with wild hunt. If you play wyrm spire, dragon tamer 2 letting you really go nutballs. Also at any time you can cavalier ouroboros and next turn fling out a leviathan or other useful shit with it.

I don't think it's magic but it's something.
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>>171322609
Well, aggro probably already has you in serious trouble by the time you play Ouro. Hopefully they can kill you the turn you play Ouro (or you simply don't play it because you need to spend your mana on actually contesting the board). I think Ouro's maximum value would be in a deck that doesn't have a full hand as much as ramp does, and of course it will be the new target for bitching in take two where it will be 100% absurd.
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>>171322598
>can ramp into dragon lego fanfare deal damage and heal all in one
>don't have to gimp your deck to do it
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>>171322437
>turn 6 summon 3 zombies
>turn 7 play new leggo possibly summon more zombies and give all your minins +2 attack and rush
quit crying shadowbab you don't know what being cucked feels like
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>>171322494
>>171322483
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>>171322440
I liked that meme, but I'm glad it's not relevant anymore. Have another dead meme for your effort.
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CRAFT THREE ODINS RIGHT NOW IF YOU PLAY ANY KIND OF CONTROL
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>>171322728
Look likes shit. Why there is Ding Dong on the cover?
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>>171322728
>rowen
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>>171322749
There's a gigantic difference between attack every turn and pay 8pp for a demonic strike and evo if you want to attack anything. Not to mention you can hit morde with impious/soul conversion all day long.
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>>171322812
>google doc was wrong
Oh obviously. Yeah that card kinda rocks.
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>>171322836
y
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Ouroboros will be incredible in Flute decks, make my fucking words. Even if that card is shit for winning, it's one of the best board clearer in the game. Clear board, drop Ouroboros, and even if they kill it then every turn you can play it, do 3 damage to a follower, then play a 4/3 with rush.
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>>171322437
>>forest gets the most powerful necromancy effect in the game
Fairy beast is already enough most of the time. I hate how they made a forest card that deals with shadows that isn't good in PtP
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>the eventual moment when blood and dragon's new sneks collide
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Need a concede for daily 60240.
Emote 3 times if you want me to concede back.
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>>171322643
I'm just saying. Someone could be rusing you all.

If it is a mistake, we can probably say goodbye to western exclusive reveals in the future since they've fucked up so much.
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>>171322736
The deck now has more healing and damage prevention than ever thanks to Rahab and Priestess. I don't think aggro will be that much of an issue anymore
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>>171322836
Reminder that Odin is a dead card against many decks.
Second reminder that you can't tutor for Odin, and decks that run win conditions that Odin is supposed to counter often can and do tutor for their win con. 3x Odin improves your win rate marginally against a few decks while decreasing it just as much if not more against others.
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>>171322728
>Rowen crossdressing
H-hear...
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>>171322924
If that is the case, I can finally make that deck with the animated flute I've been holding onto. Tier 1 we go Rowen.
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>>171322896
It tells you it's unconfirmed ruletext dude and it wasn't even "wrong" considering the site that posted the reveal fucked up, not us
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>>171322521
>mfw I realize no answer because no one in this thread is confident enough in their abilities to give away free wins
Sad!
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The Japanese guy who made this Face Dragon variant is legit, who knew the way to make Face work again was to remove every "cannot be attacked" follower.
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>>171322728
Urias being gay canon?
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>>171322946
I still can't wrap my head around what you're supposed to do against sneks if you aren't Haven for Themis. Everyone else just gets cucked.
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>>171322950
Thanks vampy-chan.
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>>171320772
the true battle of the gods
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>>171321101
>thinks morde is good
how to spot a shitter
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>>171322812
Ah, it sure looks like some gay shit something like cagliostro. Shit legendary.
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>>171322985
>no tutor
>dragon emmisary

Oh wait that's dragon too.
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>>171322428
so how do you kill ouroboros with 6,7 or 8 pp? imagine your hand getting smaller and smaller, because that's exactly what's going to happen if you meet an early ouroboros.

-you only have that many evolves. you are going to waste them on 1 (one) single card
-if you can't deal damage on top of getting rid of ouroboros, he'll get to net heal every time

now that's a real legendary
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>>171323056
Everyone? Cannot be attacked lost all value a long time ago, it's why Forte went from one of the best cards in the game to just "okay".
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>>171323119
Shadow can just double tempest with 12 shadows I guess :^)
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>>171323094
He's a barapire
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Why would you use Urd on Ouroboros? All it does is heal you for 3 Defense. It's likely your Ourobos will then die on the opponent's turn, sending an Ouroboros to your hand, and now you have two in your hands but you can still only play one per turn. What's the point?
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>>171323119
Any craft can deal with 2 5/5, 4 5/5 is another story.
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>>171323195
A wyrm spire or flute deck is the only thing I can think of that'd have such a thin emsisary pool to semi-reliably get odins out of it.
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>>171322836
ramp and emissary get ouro out as early as t5, good luck surviving 3 turns to play odin, you'd use all of your evolves at that point and dragon will have a full hand since they used a single card to pressure you.
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>>171322730
>urding it
what the fuck do you want with 2 ouroboros in hand? snek party?
>poly-
no.
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>>171323119
You need to run amulet removal and destroy blood moon amulet

Execute it on the slow turn that is their 5 pp 2/1 and you're fine
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>>171322730
>urd

Holy fuck, I forgot you can do that. Insane value.
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>>171321086
Haven looks pretty questionable this expansion - SANBI decks are going to be the new discard.

Shadow's additions were kind of average too.

Top tier will be Storm Forest, Control Blood and Control Sword.
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>>171323321
Yeah that's what I mean, maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think the reduced mana cost/vengeance activated turn 6 maelstrom won't be that uncommon. Even turn 8 vengeance maelstrom is no laughing matter for a lot of crafts, if you're dragon you need to have ramped to Bahamut or you lose the game right there. Sword essentially needs cyclone blade and a very strong follower left, etc. It's a very big and scary win con for Blood that can come out incredibly early if they get lucky at all.
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>>171323315
Arriet is a better card for Ouroboros, you can threaten 16 damage to face, and 20 with evo.
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>>171323315
2-3 water priestess, 1 emissary, 2 wyvern cavalier's for a double ouroboros turn? Way too farfetched

>>171323417
What's a sanbi? Count haven got consistency. Shadow has amazing midrange now
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But what about Forte-chan? Will she be irrelevant now?
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>post yfw you pay 8PP once for mordecai and dragon has to continously pay 8PP each turn for 3 dmg 3heal
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>>171323315
It might also be good to have the 3 damage for next turn in case they dont kill your other ouroboros.
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>>171322985
>decks it will be extremely good against
seraph, mordecai shadow, dragon
>decks it will be pretty good against
anything with amulelts and big creatures
>decks it will be bad against
aggro decks which will probably suck
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>>171323503
Only gays use female leaders.
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>>171323365
>>171323391
COMPLETE
GLOBAL
SATURATION
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>>171323315
You get a spare in case of banish plus your opponent knows they'll carrot demonic strike next turn.
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>>171323315
>>171323365
Urd him once at least so Odin can't deal with it
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>>171323315
Back up copy in case of banish maybe, but else you want to hope an ouro sticks and then forte urd forte evolve face for 20

Anon is being dumb for urding him
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>>171323503
forte is the best storm card in dragon and it'll be extremely difficult to take that title from her
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>>171323461
Don't forget that Sword gets this ambush frog. In ToG, if Sword needs a Cyclone target that does something every turn, they can develop it at any point in the game.
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>>171323478
>t5 emissary'd ouroboros
>ouroboros
>ouroboros
>ouroboros
>ouroboros
>He's out of removal and evo, evo ouroboros and arriet for lethal
Hip hip hooray!
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>>171323574
Urd for a non rush/storm end game follower?
Fuck christ
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>>171323582
Unless he's facing haven or control.
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>dragon is now going to run ouro + carrot
>ramp to turn 10
>spam the same 2 cards the entire game until you're bleed out with the occasional baha drop once you build a board

Sounds like cancer tbqh
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>>171323315
>phoenix roost
>urd ouroboros twice and evolve him
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>>171323503
She's fine. You're burning up his removal and cheap damage which is what usually hits forte

>>171323574
It isn't morde. It goes into your hand. You're already behind from ramping, you don';t have time to just throw away 4 fucking pp
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>>171323728
It's the new Dragon lego and it's strangely decent. Dragon players don't want their new toy to get exiled.
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>switch to japanese voices
>VAMPY CHAN HAS AUTISM CHAN DESU NE CHAN :-D
>NIGGER NIGGER GOBU(?) Dx
>TEEHEE SUGOI SUGOI : 3
>G-GAMBARIMASU >W<
MAKE IT STOP
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>>171323365
Phoenix roost + 2xOuroboros.
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i'm breaking down from this dragon pressure already. please put these dragonshitters back where they belong, at the bottom of the meta.
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>>171323728
Enjoy your battle against haven, rune or control blood with odin. Even if you have 3, you might not get another one since it could be at the bottom of your deck.
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>>171323542
dumb passuser
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>>171323728
>get a spare copy of an insane immediate banish-bait card that has last words AND fanfare
Yeah huh, crazy.
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>>171323826
just banish it bro
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Vania, vampire princess is quickly becoming one of my favorite cards. It's just so positive and generous. Practically costs nothing at all at two mana you drop her on the board and that chill ass motherfucker gives you a bat to use later in the game. And you also get this adorable little 2/2 can ping things but usually is too harmless to be removed.
But more than the Vania is just so positive. It comes on the board like "It's me, Vania!" and I'm like "yeah Vania let's do this shit" and when she attacks she's like "Yummy!" and I'm like "yeah they are SO YUMMY!" She doesn't say some bullshit macho shit like "I will destroy you" she's just like "nah yummy." And it looks so happy. I mean this is an vampire girl literally brought to life by magic. It understands it's life is a temporary magical gift and the dudette is just fucking loving it. I mean look at her face she's just so happy.
I am literally never sad when Vania is on board. IDK if she's gonna make it into the metagame or not but for now she (or he) a pretty chill card
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>>171323865
I doubt that any new decks will even surpass Sahaluci.
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>>171323941
There's much better plays if they actually let him live for a turn, anon.
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Question: if dragon keeps playing ouro, wouldn't the player's hand overflow?
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>Ouroboros
>Priestess
>Egg
>Fervor
We healingcraft now
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>>171323503
I've been building dragon specifically because of her. Oroboros gives me more of an excuse now.
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>>171323869
make up your own pasta you unoriginal fuck
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>>171323826
dragonrider/shapeshift/tamer/maelstrom is better. If at any point you cover a turn with sieg/wild hunt you can drop a wyrm spire to turn those into a dragon for 13/9 per turn indefinitely.

>>171323831
You wont have more bahamuts and odins in hand than he had. You've already lost unless you had storm lethal in hand. And if you did you wouldn't be using ouroboros anyway
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>>171323902
>ouroboros is not a joke anymore
someone do something, I want to meme about rowen
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>>171324017
Thanks Reddit
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Someone needs to make an image to commemorate the uncucking of dragoncraft.

I believe in you, random anon. Make it so.
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oh look, it's ouroboros, the new dragon leggo
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>>171324026
dragon has the least card draw besides sword so no
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>>171324026
Eventually. We can take a turn to vomit a board of 2pp/3pp/4pp overflow followers then go back to your regularly scheduled thick carrot probing
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>>171324026
Plenty of 1pp and 2pp cards to play alongside it. Egg, Blazing Breath, Zell, Unica, Dragontamer, Wild Hunt will all work well with him
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>>171323258

Nah not really, still see people trying to run Eyfa in face dragon. Also wouldnt consider "a long time ago" to be RIse of Bahamut.
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heh
hopefully /our boros/ or whatever the fuck really takes off so can enjoy my control opponents bricking all game
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>>171324017
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>>171320772
>tfw dragon is going to be tier 1
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>>171324026
>he has synergy with my boy imperial too
I can't handle all this face damage
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>>171324042
3 heal x ??? = ???
3 heal x 3 if overflow = 9
2 heal x 3 = 6
3 heal x 3 = 9

24 heals from 3 cards and that's not including saha lucifer combo. We did it, cygames finally listen.
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>>171324182
Are you guys such uncultured swine that you legit don't know what the ouroboros is and your entire frame of reference is Resident Evil? Utterly disgusting.
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>>171324245
Eyfa is run because of her enhance
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How do I get Forte's alternate art? Do I have to buy a precon?
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>>171324281
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW OR ELSE
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>>171324338
>not running israfil too
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>>171324359

>Trip fag talking about uncultured swine.

Amusing.
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>>171324245
People play Eyfa because she has Storm, the Cannot be attacked effect is just a bonus
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>>171324182

It's a shame Ouroboros is in big dragon form and not loli form.
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>dragon is going to see play in the first few weeks of the expansion before everyone goes back to aggro sword and dickshift and dragon can't compete
every fucking expansion
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>>171324359
He's memeing like an idiot you double shitposter. Drop the name.
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WHY DO YOU SHADOWBABS SIDE WITH ONE LEADER AND SHIT-TALK OTHER LEADERS? WHY NOT JUST HAVE EVERY META DECK AND PLAY WHATS CURRENTLY GOOD????????
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>>171324085
Just Lily it, bro.
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>>171324409
Yes, it's the Dragon prebuilt deck. All alternate arts are from the prebuilt decks.
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>>171324563
remove elf
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>>171324563
This desu. People who play the same thing over and over are retarded.

>>171324490
Someone from this general sent me an e-mail saying that he had me filtered but if I kept posting as anonymous, he couldn't do anything about it so I am just helping that guy out and anyone who filters me by giving them the option of filtering me.
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>>171324585
Control forest looks better than dragon, honestly
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>>171320772
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>>171323695
>dragon drops ouro turn 5
>pixie mischief back into hand
>dragon drops it again turn 6
>turn it into a snowman
>"There's no one else I'd rather lose to!"
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>>171324465
wtf my penis became stiff
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>>171324409
Yes. Click on the pack and View Deck when you're selecting a prebuilt deck, you can see the cards you'll get. A Dragon prebuilt gives you 1x Forte, and that's the alt art. You gotta pay 2000 crystals if you want Forte alt art x3.
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>>171324017
>plays vampy on curve instead of the 1/3 heretic
easiest sylvan justice of my life
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>UNLIMITED HEALING FROM BOTH LEGENDARIES!
>INFINITELY SCALING 5 HEALTH WARD ON TURN 3!
>BOTTOMLESS HAND OF CARDS TO PLAY EVERY TURN!
>ENDLESS DEMONIC STRKES TO FACE!
>BOUNDLESS RAMPING!

ALL TOGETHER EVERYONE!

HIP-HIP...
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>>171324585
>when they bounce lily up and down all game long turning your brick of win cons into snowmen
It's okay, I didn't want to win anyway....
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I would play dragonclaw amulet ironically because 3 damage is just not enough to clear most things but 4 damage is. And then turn 10 you drop neutral of infinite pings.
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>>171324698
>dragon drops it again turn 6
>turn it into a snowman
>SahaBahaZell drops turn 7 :^)
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>>171324780
HOORAY!
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>le Ramp is behind because of the early game meme
You retards realize that Dragon just got Rahab and Priestess, on top of all the older shit they had (Unica, Fervor, Goblinmount, Imprisoned, Breath of the Salamander, Dragon Warrior, Owl) to deal with early game aggression, right? Also, by the time Ouroboros drops, Dragon will still have evolves available, since they can Ramp, so Ouroboros will basicaly be a 4 health (6 evolved) Levi with "Bane" (he has so much attack that he will be killing anything at that point for sure). Even if Dragon is behind in tempo, they can easily regain it with Ouroboros. If they spend their time killing him (which they are forced to, since it's a 8-10 attack follower), you'll be healed as well, what also makes up for the damage you took earlier in the game if you didn't draw into enough anti-aggro tools.
Also
>implying aggro will survive Grimnir on every deck and control running around like crazy
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86728

please concede
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>>171324887
Do you play dragon?
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>>171324017
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>>171324672
If you take of the shitty pass flag thing, drop the name and don't fucking shitpost like you should be in the first place you wouldn't be a problem you fucking idiot so drop it. If that's too much, take your name and go jerk off on reddit or the forums instead of an anonymous imageboard. Anonymous. What part of that is a ridiculously hard concept to grasp?
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>aggro decks get a one-sided board wipe

How does the game benefit from this again?
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plz concede

78255
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>>171324939
Yes.
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>>171324563
because sword shitters need to be removed from this world
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>>171324990
Names and trips have always been a part of this site, even say day 1. Anyway I'm off to level up my blood for a bit in unranked, be back after I hit lvl 50.
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>>171324887
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>>171324887
because all those tools stop aggro from busting all over your face now right
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I WANT A FISHY DECK
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>171324017
Vania's everyone's Winged Kuriboh!
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>>171324017
>she (or he)
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>>171325016
I'm so sorry.
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>>171324919
thank you
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>>171325006
More dickshifts
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>>171324919
I want to fuck fluffyko
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>>171324887
I actually found myself hating ramp when playing aggro, 1pp breaths, Unica, Imprisoned and there will be much more tools to work with next expansion.
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>>171325112
DROWN YOURSELF IN SEMEN.
>>
man all this talk about ouroboros really puts me on the mood to play siren blood curse/new translation again
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What does Ouroboros do against d shift? Checkmate.
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>>171324017
>When the Vania evo, double fortress hits just right
8 dmg from hand t6 is just too spicy
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>>171325131
>a 2/5 ward that remain a 2/5 ward if you have properly build your deck to curve every turn
wow
give me 4
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>>171325112
Don't, just don't, stay away from here.

You belong in reddit.
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>>171325131
>they tried to make me play rehab but I said NO NO NO
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Ouroboros is going to be BROKEN with Phoenix Roost and Urd!

Can't wait to try this out on ladder!
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>>171324475
Even with shit win rates dragon is one of the most played decks rightt now
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Need a concede
36431
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>>171325138
Did you even read the post? Dragon is getting MORE tools to deal with aggro, including a turn 3 5 health ward. Not to mention that aggro won't even be relevant considering how many anti-aggro tools everyone got.
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>>171324465
>not MILF Ouroboros
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>>171325218
Ramp dragon was the easiest wins I ever had as aggro. Not sure why you had problems with them, every other control deck is FAR more effective at stopping us.
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>>171325112
As fucking cancer that kills. You're not running a tournament or a quest. Fucking drop it. If you don't want to be anonymous on an anonymous imageboard leave us in our oasis in peace.
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>>171325173
I want to cum inside Kumiko
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>>171325293
2/5 for 4pp is on curve stats. The attack buff is just a bonus.
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>>171325276
>what do ramp dragon against D-shift
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>>171325238
What?
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>>171325337
Because dragon is fun, it has the most mechanics out of all crafts and you can build in variety.
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>>171325131
What's the hate? This is a amazing card in Ramp versus Aggro if you are going first.

Oracle on two and then drop this guy. They either use two cards to kill him or he survives until turn 4.
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new dragon leader to use along with ouroboros
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>>171325140
There already is and TotG gives us consistency and curve neptune
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>>171325351
Thanks shorte
Pretty fucking weird i accidentally unplugged my eternet as we were loading in and i didnt lose connection
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>>171325353
My point is that aggro is getting tools as well
if you think aggro sword is dead with the new expansion you're dead wrong, and it won't be long until the meta goes back to sword and dshift like it has for the past 2 expansions

aggro will always be good in this until they give us a neutral amulet that stops storm while it's active
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>>171325276
>doesn't have to wait a turn to hit face
More than other decks can do against D-Shift
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23533

Please concede. Papa loves gold.
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Can I get some pits
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Yo hold up
If I have two Rahab on board and finish my turn with 2pp left, do they both gain 2 attack?
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>>171325604
>amulet to stop storm
They did. It's call Test of strength.
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>cygames prints obviously weak legendary
>dragoncraft have a tantrum
>cygames edits the card so its not as weak, but still shit
>"dragoncraft is saved!"
>"infinite value!"
>"demonic strike mord!"

did cygames just bamboozle dragoncucks?
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Will D Shift be the only thing keeping aggro in the meta? I kind of feel like that might be the case.
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>>171324465
>was so badass she didn't even care to defend against all those demons and angels
a shame what happened to her
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>add demonic strike to Daria
>it's shit
>doesn't help in any matchup
>not even vs. control

Why do people feel the need to push this meme and then bitch that the deck sucks now? Fucking idiots.
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How to know someone doesnt play dragon
>dragon gets raped against d shift!
>rehab is a terrible card!
>draconic fervor is a turn 5 do nothing!
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>>171325513
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Not gonna lie, I'm kinda getting scared of dragon now.
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>>171325603
>autistic roaring

All these rowen memes are fucking killing me
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>>171325716
they should
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>T2
>establish board control as haven
>start going face to close match
>enemy topdecks bahamut
>put the two minions so he cant otk
>enemy topdecks jeanne d´arc and clears my board
>mfw
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>>171325625
Thanks Vampy. I will use this gold to go into arena and inevitably have my fifth win cucked by some fucking sword going second and having floral on 4, monika on 5, literally anything on 6 because there is no fucking way to fucking win against that shit in take 2.

Third evo for player 1 in Take 2 when Cygames?
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>>171325716
Who cares? They both are getting Themis'd.
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>>171325748
Yeah, that's basically what happened. It's a terrible set for dragon, don't let yourself be confused. If you look at what some crafts got, dragon's barely playable legendaries really don't do much.
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>>171325757
What exactly is d shift going to win against?
Control sword will beat it 9/10 times
Ramp dragon will absolutely decimate it
Midrange blood and shadow will destroy it
I guess it wins against seprah?
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89330

I need a win and i also need a full game
Thanks in advanced
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is it time to delete all these rowen images? is dragon finally good
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So, anyone willing to give me a PTP shadow deck?
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>>171325747
wow

the game is saved
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Dragon going first in ToG

Turn 1 eggs
Turn 2 oracle
Turn 4 rahab with ward
Turn 5 Fervor and heal for 3
Turn 7 eggs activate and cuck aggro even further, play owl or some other fatty ward, control board etc...
Turn 8 and your opponents turn 6

Play oroboros to heal and burn like an annoying cunt!!!

HEAR!!!!!
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I thought for sure I knew how this meta was going to turn out. But now the new dragon legendary and blood moon change a lot of things. They could end up being just memes or it might end up being really big. The most important factor is how well dshift performs with the change in the meta. The only thing that has ever really held it back before was aggro and roach. Roach still lives on through albertcraft though so there's that.
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>>171325794
>he thinks dragon has a good win rate against D Shift
You're the one who doesn't play the craft anon

>>171325953
Ramp dragon has a negative winrate against D Shift, and nothing that got added will change that. C Sword's winrate will improve, but it will probably still narrowly favor D Shift.
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>Rowen
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>>171325953
Ramp dragon can only win if its Ramp Storm verison with genesis and urd. Saharamp lose hard.
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>>171325748

Probably.

It's a step in the right direction I guess. It's a decisive wincon, that crumples to other wincons and only breaks even (best case scenario, which won't happen) against shadow using morde value to win. So, fitting dragon lego.
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>8 PP Dragon Legendary 8/4
>Fanfare: Stand there menacingly
>Last Words: ゴンゴンゴンゴンゴン

Good work Cygames you did something for once.
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2 Odins in my deck and I never fucking draw them against Seraph assholes yet when I face aggro I'm always sure to draw them. Fuck this piece of shit game.
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>>171326071
are you hearing the dragon's roar yet you dumb vampire slut
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>>171326002
People said the same thing when every other set was previewed. Mysteriously, cards that other crafts would consider total garbage would "save" us, but they never did.
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>>171325953
>control sword
petrify
>ramp dragon
dead by the time you do something
>midrange
they'll just put fiery chain back in
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>>171325748
>>"demonic strike mord!"
Mord is a stupid comparison because mord doesn't need to repaid for every turn. It's an over grown very expensive carrot with demonic strike and a heal attached
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>>171326071
He doesn't have rehab. That's why.
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>>171325748
>It's bad but it could be worse
Where's a social worker, we have battered spouse syndrome

>>171325794
I'm still not sold on it. It's great on ramp curve but beyond that it has all the problems of angelic shield maiden. That wouldn't be so bad if its effect wasn't unlikely to see play outside of a flute deck
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Just fucking kill me dead. Might as well retire.
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>>171323417

>not buying into control forest
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>>171326071
>Rowen
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>>171326139
is
this
a
motherfucking
jojo
reference
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>Get a bahamut in take two
>for some reason I always drew him on turn 10
>i didn't need him because i won with other cards anyway

is take 2 rigged
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>>171326050
>ramp dragon does bad against d shift
You are retarded, d shift cannot deal with forte, genesis, T6 prince of darkness, and evolved lucifer.
>c swords winrate will barely improve
do you just pretend to be retarded
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>>171326045
OMG WAIT NEPTUNE IS A LOT MORE FUCKING VIABLE NOW!!! OM TURN 7 YOUR GOING TO WANT TO CURVE WITH MEATY WARD THAT CAN ALSO CLEAR BOARD WITH A RUSH FOLLOWER HOLLYYYY SHIT ITS HAPPENNING!!!!!
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>>171326308
>top decks bahamut
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>>171325604
>aggro is getting tools
Like what?
The best we have is Beetle Warrior, which is a turn 5 play at very least, while, by turn 5 Dragon, is already dropping Ouroboros and they had multiple opportunities to set up defense. Other than that, there is the 1pp 1/1 Shadow follower that is situational and just Tyrant meme fodder and the Elana burn card, but Elana is not aggro.
>if you think aggro sword is dead with the new expansion you're dead wrong
That's exactly what people said about Elana Seraph, Midsword and Tempo Forest.
Aggro can't deal with how much stronger control has gotten. Sword players will also just migrate back to control, just like at the start of RoB, since it got a load of new, strong cards, while aggro got nothing.
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>>171322038
>No answer to D-Shift
>Ramp to 10 on turn 3
>BEFORE CREATION TH- BEFORE CREATION TH- FEAR THE DARK DRAGOON
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>>171321394

I want to have sex with Eris, if you know what i mean
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>>171326223
memes aside rehab actually punts a dent in aggro bat
h-hear the dragons roar??
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>>171325794
Dragonic fervor makes turn 1-2 aggro no longer exist, essentially turning the enemies turn counter back 2
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>>171326071
J-Just glacial dragon bro....
Enjoy all your wrath drakes bub

>>171326154
Just run a flute deck with 1-3 costs, 4pp's and 3 odins. . Emissary your odins before t5-6, use pyroxene, urd, and counsel to keep your hand alive while your hellflames eat him up.
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>>171326375
>2 Odins and a Themis in hand

Don't think the Haven player is very worried desu senpai.
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>>171326071
>didn't draw ramp
He could've salamander'd and then Saha'd in to Lucifer then you'd be f***ed kiddo
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>>171326362
>T6 prince of darkness
So D Shift can't win against things that happen 1 in 20 games? There's no way you play dragon, because any dragon player knows that's not how those games go. The stats reflect this too, dragon has better winrate against D Shift than some control decks, but it's still low.
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all these dragon cucks thinking rahab will actually be good, holy shit
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its time we accept it lads
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>>171321506

Yeah if you could ramp to 16 mana the card would be flexible enough.

Good fucking luck spamming ouro shit vs seraph
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Reminder that you can Hydra + Zell on turn 9 for 10 damage.
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>>171326412

>Ramp to 10 on turn 3

You wanna know how I know you're full of shit?
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>>171326198
>petrify
spellboosts for 1, draws zero cards, costs 3 pp. Extreme loss for d shift. Sword can continue to just storm and hit face
>ramp dragon
pp skipping, storm followers, prince of darkness, d shift has a terrible time against ramp dragon even now
>midrange
yeah rely on you drawing the 1 fiery chain on your deck and spellboosting it. Hopefully it doesnt brick you!
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>>171326369
You can emissary and cavalier a neptune to play with a Neirid for 2 4/4 rush and a 5/5 rush then follow up next turn with demonic simalacrums
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>>171325748
>it's bad because I say it's bad
Be ready to be complaining about Dragon in a month.

>>171326198
>>control sword
>petrify
CSword already does well against DShift for a Control deck (~45% winrate). If DShift is having to tech against them, it's the match up going to their favor.
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>>171326521
>JO below neutral ramp
shit list desu senpai
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>>171326521
do it backwards and we're done
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>>171326619
>losing more often than you win is "in your favor"
Found the D Shift player
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>>171326503
Wanna know how i know you dont play dragon? Its extremely common to skip 3 pp especially against a deck that doesnt pressure you at all like d shift. T6 is rare but T7 is very common.
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tfw almost get got by the memes
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>>171326521
make JO last
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>>171326442
You'll have to be more clear.
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>>171326715
>reading comprehension
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>>171326513
It's a pretty crippling t3 play

>>171326552
It's not too hard to emissary a cavalier to cavalier the hydra on turn 4 so you can zell hydra on turn 5.
Just saying. Plus, with just a little reduction....
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>>171326729
The funny thing is T6 Prince doesn't necessarily do anything. D Shift comes on 7 or 8. Even on 8, for Prince to beat you they'd have to draw Astaroth and storm creature or 7 damage ping. The chances of that happening are tiny. This will be my last reply to you because you're clearly trolling.
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>>171326715
c sword is the best control deck vs dshift
I don't know what your trying to prove by picking apart his wording
the point is c sword is much much more safe against d shift now and also gets free shit against every other control deck that isn't seraph
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>>171326513
What better options do Dragon have on 4pp vs aggro that

1). Doesn't require an evolve
2). Isn't conditional.


Rahab isn't a great card but it fills a big hole in the deck.
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>>171326735
Vania is so cute
kys batshitter
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>>171326735
We're getting the healing it needed. It's not a meme anymore.
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>>171322025
Eh, I think it's pretty neat, but the game and meta will have to come out to be sure. I thought Dragoon would be shit, but it turns out to be a not-half-bad wincon for ramp dragon against Sword, forest, or rune.

The devs seem to understand dragon's problems with Oroboros. Currently, ramp dragon is a heavy tempo swing deck. Sahaluci makes it one of the best decks at reversing tempo, and the goal of dragon is to survive and ramp till 7 mana, where they can remove 2 and heal for 4 and drop a 6/n on the board. That's why it's good against Daria, it counters pressure quite well.

But there's three key issues with Ramp dragon that makes it shitty against anything but Daria.

One, the fact that while it reverses tempo effectively, it has a hard time establishing any. There's no real wincon for ramp dragon outside of praying that a Baha sticks or Satan.

Two, the 1-2 dead turns between your SahaLuci and Bahamut. Assuming they DoD your Saha, what do you play on 8 and 9? You can ramp, but there's really no card in the deck that's really good at that point. Lucifer can't remove whatever they put down, and your later-game deck is very much Baha/Satan/ID. Using another SahaLuci for tempo, to remove a 2/2 or something, is just really shitty value.

And three, card draw. Dragon struggles HARD with card draw, since at most Oracle is hand neutral and Fervor is very expensive if used solely for the draw 2.

Ouroboros solves all three, to some extent. It also synergizes with Baha, and I think in ToG it might be better to swap out Satan for 1-2 Ouro.

>>171326362
>>171326453
Ramp does have a hard time Vs D-shift, though. Storm Ramp is different from SahaLuci ramp, and has its own bad matchups. Like Daria. And storm ramp is far more prone to bricking.

If you wanna counter D-shit just go Face Dragon. But then el balanced mexican man of 5 face damage will rape you.

>>171326552
Why not just Saha Baha Zell for 13 face damage?
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>It's a "Always draw all three copies of the least useful card for this matchup in your deck every single match" day

>For the last two days

FUCKING

COME ON

SHIT

GIVE ME A BREAK THIS IS A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF BRICKING
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Runebros, serious question. How the fuck is d shift going to work when now even fucking control decks can now beat it? Is the deck legitimately dead? Its already an autolose if youre facing a deck that has any sort of early game or if you dont draw a d shift plus flame destroyer plus spellboost them a ton. Now though its just retarded.
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>>171326749
aggro bat hits hard but it doesn't exactly have a lot of steam. If it gets shut down early its kind over.
Going first and playing rehab on turn 4 gurantees aggro bat has to trade his entire board if he wants to kill it. He could wait till dod on turn 5, but that isn't optimal at all

Combine that with the turn 3 ward dragon has and it actually doesn't sound terrible

>>171326887
don't bully vampi
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>>171326795
Just emissary a Turn 4 Roost and then play Zell - Oroborous turn 5.
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>>171326932
>Why not just Saha Baha Zell for 13 face damage?
Hydra stays on the board, that's the only advantage I see.
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>>171326824
>d shift will always have a 20 damage combo ready on turn 7 or 8
just stop posting
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>>171327008
Just Medusa's Gaze it bro
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>>171326953
>Is the deck legitimately dead?
Hope so. Get fucked d-shitters.
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>>171326715
Are you retarded? Work in your reading comprehension before acting like a mentally disabled autist.
CSword has CURRENTLY 45% winrate against DShift. If they get a card that makes them do so well against DShift to the point that DShift has to tech against them, the match up has gone to their (CSword's) favor, since it's not one sided at all as of right now..
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>>171326850
I still don't understand how you're supposed to win desu.
Early game they just kaledoscope/snipe your shit.
If you go first they can leave a merlin on board which you have to kill, then a couple of Levis fuck you up.
You have 2 evo for Albert, which you aren't guaranteed to draw and you lose by turn 9 anyway. Then all the shit they constantly do with magic missiles and snipes to take out your little guys. Also embrace.
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>>171325953
>Control sword will beat it 9/10 times
delusional
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>>171327057
Hydra is also hot garbage while Baha and Saha are flexible.
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Cards you can play alongside Ourobro:
>2 Eggs
>2 Blazing Breath
>Zell + evo
>Elta + evo
>Bellringer Angel
>Unica
>Keen Enchantment
>Maelstorm Dragon
>Dragontamer
>Wild Hunt
>Breath of the Salamander

It's fucking happening guys
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>>171327065
Not that anon but with the level of draw and tutoring it's got there's a pretty high chance that yeah it's going to have combo that early that consistently
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>>171326953
Either accept your losses or play Amulet removal (which will slow you down in matches where it doesn't matter).
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>>171327008

Reminder that everyone that likes Vania are regressive manchildren
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I didn't realize there were so many closet D Shift shitters here. I guess that explains all the shitposting.
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>>171323379
>Don't draw your 3 of amulet removal
>Lose

Great game you got there Shadowbabs
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>>171325748
>cygames edits the card so its not as weak, but still shit
They did? I just assumed the leak was wrong originally.
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>>171327065
>20
>when they're pinging you down with spell early game

and yes, dshift turn 7/8 is extremely common
get out of b rank
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>>171327065
>>171327154

Let's also throw in the fact that if your busying ramping, they're throwing their ping faces at your face.
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>>171327170
Why do you think this general is so upset about Albert in the first place?
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>>171327126
Read your new cards unga nigger. Screenshot this post control sword will have over a 70% win rate against d shift. Its already a hard matchup for d shift if you brick AT ALL you lose because of albert
>>171327154
You have never played d shift in your entire life and have probably never faced one. D shift has no reliable tutor for d shift or flame destroyer. Merlin (a fucking brick) has a 20% chance of pulling 1 d shift at turn 4 and by then its way too late.
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>>171327272
If you are just ramping and not playing followers against DShift, they will have a hard time spellboosting.
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>>171327275
It's just rage-inducing to have bad D Shift players tell me it's "unlikely" for them to do what every D Shift player in AA and Masters does 99 games out of a 100. Not much point in arguing about it though, if they're that out of touch with reality no amount of debate and stats is going to change their mind.
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>>171327140
where is this from?
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>>171327315
>You have never played d shift in your entire life and have probably never faced one.
There's plenty up here at Masters, they're brutally consistent against anything that isn't pure aggro.

>Merlin
>(a fucking brick)

Merlin wins you games, what the hell are you doing wrong?
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>>171327449
The trailer for the cancelled anime
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>>171327410

I literally explained how they wouldn't be targeting followers, but your face instead.

That takes spells, they're still spellboosting.
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>>171327410
>it's another episode of "don't play followers, that's the counter to D Shift!"
PLEASE rank up before you post this bait
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>>171327315
I really want to see all those "bricked" Dshifts because every single time I'm fucking facing one in AA3 they ALWAYS have 2-3 Dshifts on turn 7-9 and shitload of removal for my guys. ALWAYS. They somehow manage to kill me through 5 wards, for fuck's sake.
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>>171327315
god you're delusional
>it's a hardmatch up if you brick
wow like any fucking combo deck
>you lose because of albert
>dshift game not ending turn 7/8
get the fuck out of A rank
> D shift has no reliable tutor for d shift or flame destroyer.
wow if only they had a fuck ton of draw
>Merlin (a fucking brick)
you are beyond retarded
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>>171320906
>>171320930
So I'm inferring that he's a carrot even without evolving?
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>its a discard cuck decks him self with angel crusher winning you the game from 3hp episode
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>>171327520
Yeah, good thing they can throw Windblasts and Fiery Embraces at your face.
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>>171327626
An 8 cost carrot, yeah
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>>171327315
Which new card are you speaking of? roland alone will only delay d shift for a turn or 2, it's not going to make it 90% win rate
>>171327315
>D shift has no reliable tutor for d shift
>Merlin(a fucking brick)
Are you retarded? What rank are you exactly?
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>>171327607
>albert turn 9 meme
>calling me A rank
>thinking card draw equals tutor
>calling me A rank
End your life, honestly.
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>>171326749
Eris looks so peaceful here, i must find sauce....
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Man, RoB turned T2 into hot RNG garbage. No tactical plays and resource management, just praying that your opponent didn't draft a random "I win!" card
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Is it just me or is Haven going to be way too slow in this meta?

Playing Grail feels like it will be conceding the game with all these new turn 8-10 power cards.

The rest of their cards were pretty underwhelming though.

Plus no amulet removal means Haven can't counter Durandal/Blood Moon easily.

The only deck I can see doing well is Elana as it got some new support and works well in a control meta.
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>>171327729
T2 has been like that since Standard
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>>171327635
If they don't have to use follower removal, it frees them up to use sorcery cache earlier, it actually makes the game easier according to every D Shift player in high ranks I've talked to (i.e, the people I'm playing against)
You might want to get better at the game before theorycrafting stuff that has been disproven for months
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>>171327635

Whoa man, that's like TWO (2) (dos) spells that they can't use immediately.

I guess they'll just have to use their sorcery cache, or you know, anything else.
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>>171327196
>they don't draw their 3 of amulet
>i win
Wow
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>>171327635
>insight x3
>magic missile x3
>snipe x3
>golem x3
>then they spam x3 0 cost fate's hand

At some point you're going to play something and they you gonna get hit with a fucking 12 damage windblast and that 0 cost fiery embrace would be used on your pathetic ward right before the unload on you.
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>5k gold
>9k vials
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>>171327717
you named albert as a finisher for control sword you obviously i inferred you're talking about turn 9+
i didn't say card draw equals tutor, i said rune as a ton of draw ontop merlin to get their combo
and i'm calling you A rank because you are, at best
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>>171327635
>snipe
>insight
>trail
>golem
>crimson sorcery
>kaleidoscope the levi or golem
>Fate
>Cache
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>>171327901
>9k
>not 48k
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>>171327901
>7k gold
>barely any cards I want in ToG because dragon
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>>171327840
>They can tutor their amulet
>You can't tutor your removal

This is why I'm masters and you make retarded comments on a Taiwanese Hand Puppet Forum.
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>>171327901
You are like baby to me.

Also need a concede at 19847. If you spam emotes I'll take it you want the full match.
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>>171327492
Any source on why it was cancelled, i was actually looking forward to it because of shadowverse.
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I want more evil gods/beings in haven like Eidolon. It pleases my edgy side and I think they're way more interesting than just normal gods/angels.

SANBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGOo0UEYWkw
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>>171327901
>>171328040
>>171328102

>Make in-game currency
>The game is shit

I've made a mistake somewhere.
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>>171327923
I never said that your tiny brain just thought albert equals turn 9 because shitters in your rank dont play albert turn 5 and on. D shift can no longer kill control sword on turn 7 or 8. And by turn 9 all the storm damage and overstatted followers will end the game.
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>play Seraph
>don't have the combo
>opponent concede
every time
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I think Ouroboros would be cooler if he was a 10pp amulet that had the effect: At the end of your turn, choose an enemy follower and destroy it

With some cool effect like Ouroboros surfacing up from the ground and swallowing a card then burrowing back down
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>>171328220
That's weird, I always wait to see it. Maybe countless games against D Shift have conditioned me to not give a shit about waiting.
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>>171327901
2.6 k gold
12 k vials
still need 3 odins and 3 seraphs
I even dropped a shit ton more gold on de packs and still nothing
if mary ends up being better down the road, I'll have to craft her too
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>>171328210
>D shift can no longer kill control sword on turn 7 or 8.

And this is because?
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>>171327140
You forgot test of strength so it forces sword cucks and forest storm cuck to trade into your ouroboros every turn.
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>>171328220
What's the combo? I thought it was just stall until you can cast Seraph.
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>>171328313
Oh youre baiting me, why do i keep falling for the shitposts in this general.
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>>171328210
You said "lose because albert" and you don't lose because of turn 5 albert against control sword
and you're whole basis for csword suddenly shooting up to a 70% winrate against dshift is fucking roland which rune can already deal with
it will change nothing
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>>171328179
english voice is better
same goes for the entire apocalypse deck and lucifer
nips can't into demons
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>>171327901
>>171328040
>>171328184
>>171328295

Do you guys have a full collection already?
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>>171328210
>dshift cannot kill frontguard on turn 7 and 8?

LMAO what is Petrify?
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>>171328520
Nah, I just only play a few crafts and dust everything else and have been saving since like a month into RoB. The thing that really catapulted me up was when they added the elite 2 practices and I didn't feel the need to spend it.
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71455

Looking for a concede, if you spam emotes I'll assume you want the full match.
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>>171328372
Answer the question.
Even with the shitty Roland amulet, if you're at 16 hp, 2 destroyers and a double Dshift is enough to kill you, which isn't something unheard of. Plus some throw in some golems or even snowman in there so killing you is no problem at all.
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>>171328520
whats a full collection
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>>171328520

Of crafts that I care about, yes.

I just use vials if I fancy a meme and I'm missing something. Luckily my will to meme has been smothered.

So that's good, I guess?
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>>171328531
>LMAO WHAT IS PETRIFY
a dirt rune card you complete fucking retard. Its a 3 pp not even get rid of a follower spellboost once draw no cards brick.
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>>171328617
Thanks "soh" much.
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>>171328708
>brick

Loving this meme.
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>>171328520
No, I don't have any win conditions for any control decks so I'm forced to play aggro or face decks and get shit on when everyone runs "chemo".
I need to get some more specific cards.
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>>171327808
Nah, Mort and Olivia haven't been nearly as bad for this mode as Albert and Bahamut.
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>>171328631
All cards.
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>>171328625
>snowmen
last (You) for (You)
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>>171328220
>Opponent plays Seraph
>Can't win this turn, do as much face damage as I can hoping he doesn't have the combo
>On his next turn he plays two dogmas, wait 15 seconds, then concedes
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>>171328783
It's hilarious. I've had games with D Shift where they drew 35 cards in the time I drew 10. D Shift "bricking" is technically possible, but happens like one in 500 games. So compared to the bricking of other decks, it basically doesn't exist.
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>>171328827
Maybe you should play outside of A rank sometimes.
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I have been trying to play Control Sword for the past hour and its not working at all.

Anyone here got some experience with it and a nice list? Or should I switch to midrange sword and call it a day?
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>>171328708
>i never play dshift in my life

Kys
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>>171328859
>shit that literally never happens
they always have the combo
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Anyone have a Wolf Bolt list that has been working for them? I was looking to try something other than straight roach after forcing it forever.
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>>171327140
Reminder that double roost:
Ouroboros is 2pp eternal "carrot" 8/4 against his 3 odins and 3 bahamuts
Urd copycatting is 1pp each
Carrot is 1pp
Rahab is 1pp
Grim reaper is 1pp
A fucking Horse is 2pp
Dragonguard is 2pp

Egg is 1pp cycle
Ivory is 1pp cycle
Dragon's counsel is 1pp
Pyroxene is 1pp when it eats the bahamut
Spellbook decryption is 2pp

Serpent's wrath is 1pp for 6 dmg
Conflagration is 2pp
Bahamut clear is 3pp

Serpents force is 1pp
Keen enchantment is 1pp
Dragon tamer is 1pp

Maelstrom is 1pp/2 dmg
Seabrand is 2pp/4 dmg
Forte is 2pp/5 dmg
Aina is 2pp/5 dmg
Gilgamesh is 2pp/5 dmg
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>>171328810
not possible without whaling obscene amounts
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So even the meme craft gets better stuff than Haven now? Why, cygames, why?
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>>171328991
And test of strength is the 1pp that stops them from facing unless they expend a bahamut
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>>171328625
Two Destroyers and two DShifts is not something that easy to set up. Also, you need a Fiery Embrace as well, because Roland's amulet protects everything, not just face, so you can't just evolve a Destroyer or use Wind Blast to kill Roland. If they have any other Ward alongside it, the combo just becomes harder and harder to execute. You have to also consider that, thanks to Albert and Alwida's, CSword already has close to 50% winrate against DShift. Roland will definetely make CSword go over 50%.

>>171328531
>Frontguard
Nice bait.
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>>171329125
I thought test is 3pp.
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>>171328859

tfw i do the exact same thing as seraph except i wait 30 seconds and have the last dogma.
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>>171328991
>d shifts costs 1/4 it's normal price
super hyped for the new dragon meta guys
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>>171328914
evolve albert and go face

then once you get them to ~10 hp, stall till 9 and do it again
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>>171329065
The banishcaust. Fuck off Erisler.
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>>171328914
Would be helpful if you could provide your list.
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>>171329065
Because they now that haven fags are the biggest autists in the game.
The less haven there is the better.
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>>171327635
Don't post about cards if you're not in mid-masters
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>>171328914
Post your list, I'll give you advice.
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>>171329172
>two destroyers and two D Shifts is not that easy to setup
This is your threadly warning that this guy actually said this. He has to be trolling at this point. Filter him unless you like listening to C rank D Shifters.
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>>171328914
I've tried a meme Leonidas satancat deck. Had a couple of 4-5 game winstreaks, gained 2000 points then it just stopped working suddenly, no matter what I did.

Some decks feel like they are a "one time use" only.
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>>171327749
>Is it just me or is Haven going to be way too slow in this meta?

Haven is probably fucked. Sigh.
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>>171329339
You are so fucking retarded why dont you actually play the deck autist? It doesnt have a 43% win rate for no reason.
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>>171329339
Not an argument.
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>>171329191
Double roost my man, keep up.

>>171329203
You can't kill me if I kill myself first!
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>>171327749
Did you not see havens new 2 pp follower?
That guy makes elana pretty scary
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>tfw Dragon will be tier 1 in two weeks
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>>171328859
fuck off elizabeth duelist
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>there are people who suck with dshift but still play it anyways

YAMERO

YOU FUCKS KEEP DISTORTING THE ACTUAL INFORMATION. AA AND MASTER RANK HAVE TO PUT WITH THIS BULLSHIT BECAUSE APPARENTLY CYGAME ONLY NOTICES OVERALL WR.
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>>171328914
Not pictured:
2x Odin
1x Olivia
1x Satan
2x Bahamut

This list works really well for me in AA2, win a majority of the time and isn't a complete autoloss to Dshift, but still heavily unfavored.

White Paladin shuts aggro down like mad, and isn't a dead draw/curveplay since she's not understatted.

I heavily considered (and had) Floral Fencers in my deck, but they're a dead play unless evolved - and Floral is really only good on that turn 4/5 swing, a bad card otherwise
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Do people unironically believe that every single d shift player has a double flame destroyer double d shift every game? That shit is legitimately so fucking rare and you have to be so lucky to pull that off.
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>>171327315
>has a 20% chance of pulling 1 d shift at turn 4 and by then its way too late.
If your deck has 2 wind blasts 3 fate's hand and you haven't drawn any of them(worst case scenario) then merlin still has a 38% of drawing a d shift on the first draw and 42% on the second. Drawing any wind blasts or fate's hands making your odds even better AND there is a big chance you will draw your d shifts normally. There is a 45% chance of getting d shift in the mulligan if all cards are mulliganed for it and there is a chance of drawing every turn and draw effect growing better every turn as you thin your deck.

The chance of d shift bricking is so absurdly low it isn't even worth considering
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So what are you guys gonna try to build once the expansion hits? Im gonna update my Silver Bolt deck, make a Midrange/Tempo sword that uses Gawain/Oto/Sage and a Serpent Blood deck.

I found a pretty good list that the nips made for Silver Bolt that I'll probably start with.
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>>171329602
>2 more weeks of this shitty repetitive meta
I'll just grind masters I guess. Literally nothing else to do.
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>>171329583
Elana in Bahamutspam-verse? I wish.
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>>171329483
It's easy to set up but it doesn't matter because you're going to die as the opponent ignores them and hits your face. He's not technically wrong but still a retard.
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>Pact of the Nether God will kill Ouroboros and yield a 9/5 pluto every time
>Ouroboros is still good for some reason
Explain this
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>>171329172
And what ward are they going to play after a turn 7 Roland exactly that cannot withstand 4 damage, considering you can lose on turn 8?
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>>171329203
Real talk though, maybe a double roost can work finally in TotG. We can out draw control, ward lucifer out aggro.

>>171329650
Do people unironically not pay attention to how many cards they've drawn by T8-9?
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>Take a break for almost a month
>Midrange sword now on top

Cant say I was surprised
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>against control
>all 3 bahas and my satan are in the last 8 cards
>win anyway because it was cblood
Game could've been so much faster though
Fucking 20+ turn control match ups grind my soul
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>>171326271
The reward for that fucking atrocity of a draft. One more for the collection at least.
Honestly kinda shocked at the amount of Standard bronzes I still don't have animateds of.
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>Be Cygames
>Create expansion called "Tempest of GodS" (GodS as in multiple)
>There is only one card that is a God

What did they mean by this bros?
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>>171329662
ramp dragon, combo elf/ forest decks and satan/ageis heaven, fuck the other heaven decks there gay as fuck
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>>171329729
Can't win everything
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>>171329697
>raw summoning flame destroyers
>in removalverse
try again c rank
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>lose because i went second
nice game
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>>171329483

Tell us exactly why it has 43%.

lets see if you understand the numbers correctly.

Im waiting
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>>171329776
>Midrange
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>>171329483
It has a 43% win rate because retards like you play it and shit themselves at the slightest hint of having to use your brains.

The win rate at high Masters among the top rune players is 75%. D Shift is a high skill ceiling deck so bad players like you drag it down
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>>171329221
I'll keep banishing your ass with dirtrune, Lunaberg.
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>>171329662

>will's will
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>>171322103
The great big snek of infinite value.
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>>171329890
>if you disagree, you're lower rank then me
We get it cuckold, you don't have an argument. It's okay.
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>>171329172
I was talking about control sword today retard not ToG cards.

If you play roland on turn 7 and 8, guess what? Petrify the amulet and dshift into flame destroyer. It's the same shit.

>you can't just evolve a destroyer to kill roland
>using a flame destroyer to trade
Okay so you are retard, gotcha.
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>>171329751
If they can't OTK through the first Roland and have to spend removal on him, any ward with 5+ health from now on will continue to cockblock them, unless they can get their hands on a Fiery Embrace to drop alongside the combo or something to get rid of the amulet.
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>>171329217
>>171329270
>>171329323
I'm playing 1x Olivia and 2x Bahamut. Its a pretty normal list.

What do you guys think about Floral Fencer? She is good in other versions but I feel like she doesn't add a lot to Control Sword.
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>>171329846
>giant slayer
>she's not a giant herself
>>
Anywhere I can see all the new cards? The link in the OP has all the cards with effects but I want to see the art
>>
42508
Please concede.
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>>171329729
>Play him again along with blazing breath/salamander
Thanks for the heal
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>>171330109
I can be an anonslayer if you keep shitposting like that
>>
DRAGONBROS HEAR ME

THE NEXT DRAGON LEGEND IS A 5 COST 4/5

THAT HEALS YOU FOR 3 AT THE END OF EVERY TURN IF YOU'RE ON OVERFLOW

IT ALSO RAMPS YOUR PP BY 1 AFTER YOUR FIFTH TURN
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>>171330102
post cards you would like to see porn of
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>>171329776
>Midrange
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>>171330102

IF, and only IF Roland comes a popular meta deck, then Dshift will find a way. Dshif always finds a way.

whether it will be pretrify or other means, they can afford it.
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>>171329662
>rewarding for forest vandalism
kek
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>>171329871
Rowen's suffering has made him transcend humanity and dragon-hood into becoming a God
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>>171330102
You don't understand.
Dshift just doesn't unload UNLESS they can OTK you. If you play turn 7 Roland and they have the combo, you die. If they don't, you can bet your ass they have removal for it and the amulet.
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>>171330282
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>>171328914
Control decks in general aren't working in ladder anymore. At least in AA.

Too many dshift in masters. Better just use midrange.
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They had 1 job for dragon in this expansion.

1 FUCKING JOB

and it was to create a 4PP ramp card.
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What happens if you double cast Dshift in the same turn?
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>>171329846
I couldn't care less about the panty shot, but I really wish they didn't change the color scheme for this card.
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>>171330097
>you can't just evolve a destroyer to kill roland
>using a flame destroyer to trade
>Okay so you are retard, gotcha.
You are the retarded here. You've never played DShift. Evolving a Destroyer to kill a ward and then dropping the DShifts to OTK is an insanely normal play. You are not supposed to trade with the Destroyers after passing the turn, fucking retard, unless that will win you the game.
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>>171330282
why rose queen need to be meme tier she's so fucking sexy aaaaaah
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>>171330282
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>>171330424
Just use 2 oracles.
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>>171330282
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>>171330282
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>>171330464
>wards
>what is removal for 500 alex?
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>>171329941
It auto loses to aggro decks
It auto loses to all sword decks aside from control, which it has a 55% win rate against.
It bricks constantly because unlike other combo decks, it cannot reliably tutor its wincons. And its wincons need other tools to even be used.
It has no wards or healing, it cannot survive past turn 8 against 90% of decks

D shift is a meme, sorry you dont know how to play against it.
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>>171330108
I took her out because Jeno does a better job for trading, and it saves you the evo point for Albert and other things. You could replace her for Blitz Lancer/Art of the Ninja. Everything else looks fine since any other changes is more of a preference choice.
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>>171330525
i wanna see someone tap dat ass
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>>171330621

It would require you two have 3 oracles ready for your turn 2 and 3.

Not really statistically consistent.
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>>171329871
As far as Rage of Bahamut is concerned most of the forest and haven cards are gods
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>>171330424
play that card that ramps when evolving
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>>171325583
Bring Wesker back, he was the only good part of that franchise.
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so, dragon got their cancer card eventually, that will burn for 3 every turn past 6, put a 8/4 body and heal the fag for 3 every turn too

heals really need some counter btw
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>>171330743
>Dshift is a meme
>the most consistently played, almost unchanged deck
>meme

You've heard it here first.
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>>171330743

Then why are good Dshift players doing fine?

Its almost as if the deck punishes bad decisionmaking
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>>171330743
>It bricks constantly because unlike other combo decks, it cannot reliably tutor its wincons. And its wincons need other tools to even be used.

>post yfw D Shitters actually believe this
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>>171330797
Do not reoly to him, newfriend.
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>dshift is bad

I love this meme.
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>>171330767
>>
>Okay if I get this card I could win

>Topdeck the THIRD copy of the card that's way too late for me to use

why why why why WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
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>>171330464
roland takes at least 2 hits to kill by normal means
only firery embrace can kill her outright then you still have the amulet to worry about that cucks your destroyers out of face damage
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>>171330363
I know they don't. The point is that Roland will be stalling them for a turn, and, every Ward you play after that will also be potentially be stalling them for another turn, since Durandal makes them way harder to remove than normal. If they don't kill the Roland, not only he will be attacking them for 4 damage, but they might also have to deal with an Aurelia or Frontguard follow up ON TOP of the Roland that's already on the board. It's a really hard situation for DShift. That being said, it's very much possible that they just Fiery Embrace Roland or kill the amulet and combo the Sword player to death, but that doesn't mean that Roland doesn't significantly increase their chances against DShift.

>>171330312
I am not saying DShift can't tech against, but I doubt Roland won't be common in CSword. Even against decks that don't have a lot of face burst, he is still a 4/5 ward that can only take 4 damage at a time and that will make all your other fat followers take only 4 damage at a time as well.
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>>171330102
>>171330743
All the shitters who think that D shift cares about wards and that it's remotely likely for it to brick please post your ranks. I highly doubt any of you are masters.
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>>171330942
Stay quiet and take the dragon dick Trampy
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>>171330961
>good d shift players
i agree its the hardest deck in the game but they are not doing fine, would you like to show me a stream or data that shows them actually winning? You losing at B3 doesnt count
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>>171331042
>1 win with aggro blood

Fuck off unga bunga shitter.
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>>171330282
hotglue where?
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>>171331042
They can easily post someone else's screenshot, not like you could tell
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>>171330743
It's still a pretty strong deck and has been since its inception. Za Warudo is nothing to sneeze at, even if there are a few decks that are faster than it.

So long as control and Seraph is a thing, D-Shift will keep its place in the meta.
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>>171331160

Nor does your projecting
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>>171331008
>44% win rate
>its good
love this meme
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>>171330636
>you always have removal for fat wards
>you always have enough for removal to kill multiple wards
Evolving the destroyer is the equivalent of playing a Wind Blast spellboosted 8 times.

>>171331025
That's exactly what I said, that a Destroyer can't kill Roland by himself, read the chain of replies. It's that fucktard that is talking as if evolving a Destroyer to kill a ward is an absurd play, when it's insanely common
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What the hell do we do in ToG, havenbros?

Bahamut killed Elana, Odins everywhere will make Seraph suffer even more and Storm just isn't strong enough.

We're stuck with le epik turn 9 beatstick and Lady of Killing Your Own Board.
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>It's a hag shitter BMs when they play Seraph as if you didn't know it was coming
>You don't have Odin in hand
It annoys me to no end these pieces of shit probably think you were retarded enough to not know exactly which SUPER ORIGINAL NETDECK they're running.
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>>171329386
I saw someone link that list to another guy a few threads ago and book marked it. I haven't gotten around to testing that yet.

>>171329643
Thanks.That looks realyl good. I will try it out right now. White Paladin seems like a really good idea.
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>>171322135
>mfw the day will come when they make him a card that summons a free Medusa with rush
>mfw he''s not going to be a Blood card
I'll be so fucking mad. I just want her to be fucking playable. She didn't even get the Fafnir treatment, she was useless from day fucking 1. She doesn't even have the excuse of shit cards like Skullfam that were nerfed in closed beta either.
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>>171330282
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>>171331179
DO NOT
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examining a baby frozen mammoth!
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>>171330282
But there is rosetta porn and there's a lot of age gap doujins where a tanned white haired tomboy is crushing on her hard
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>>171330282
Fat porn of any card.
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>>171330282
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>New Dragon lego is shit
>Still no Tempest release date
>Wolverine died in Logan (just watched it earlier today)
>the Power Rangers stream has gone to shit

What's going on? Why is everything so fucked?!?!
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>>171327728
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=58078364
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>>171331417
Elana is back with her "fuck your face" 2pp minion, but seraph won't be getting back
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>>171330282
elizabeth duelist
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>>171331793
>but seraph won't be getting back

Explain?
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CHRIST STARTING FIRST IS THE WORST DESIGNED ASPECT OF THIS GOD DAMN GAME
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Isnt it crazy how every single d shift has a double flame and double d shift at turn 6 xD
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>>171331653
Unica carboloads on baguettes and sleeps off a food baby
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>>171331042
>DShift loses to wards
I never said that. You are not worth my time if you are just going to shitpost without any arguments and without reading my post. I am talking about how useful Roland can be against DShift, since he not only reduces the face damage Destroyers deal, but also makes wards significantly harder to kill for the DShift player, since, in any other situation, they can just Wind Blast or trade with an evolved Destroyer, while, in the case of Roland and any other Ward you play after him, they need two instances of damage, a way to get rid of the amulet or Fiery Embrace.
You can reply to me after this, but I'll just ignore it. You are simply a retard with a giant ego that won't ever listen to anyone.
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>>171331793
Not to mention 2 aegis permacuck baha.
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>>171331783
Lego's are fine. They're not the earthshakers we needed them to be and we're still far behind everybody else but that's how it goes.
They already announced it in the trailer. It's the 30th dumbass
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>>171331179
i haven't noticed before that enstatued seraph didn't have one arm, it began to grow on the awakened seraph art and was fully restored on the following two arts
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Would like a concede
39073
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>>171331925

>more likely to brick because you draw 1 less card
>1 evolution less when cards like cudgel, Wardrobe raider and Albert exist

yea its shit, worse in T2
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>>171331783
>Wolverine died in Logan (just watched it earlier today)
you're supposed to spoil these things
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>>171332003
>we're still far behind everybody else
you fucking whiner, it's probably the best lego revealed yet and you fuckers have ramp and you still stink and whine fucking shitters
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I didn't see it in time, what was orobouros before they changed it?
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>>171331925

>aggro mirror

Going first is a free win mate
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>>171332024
Post the webm for this poor guy.
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>>171331936
I'm not even sure who'd be the most suitable target for such degeneracy. Probably some mage girl who doesn't get any exercise anyway!
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>>171331917
Seraph is dead forever, all it took is for control decks to main 2 Odins, and the class hit bottom playrate. It already lost to roach and D.Shift, if it loses to every control deck, and goes 55/45 against aggro, it's unplayable. Aegis guarantees the control win, it's a lot better. Not to mention it frees up some slots you can TRY (never happening) countering D.Shift with. Maybe a lot of spell immunity might actually give you a win every 5 games against D.Shift.
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>>171332161
It only carroted on evolve. You missed a good time.
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>>171332238
>>171332024
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>>171331783

They literally said the 30th
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>>171332161
The Last Words effect was on evolve only.
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>>171332161
>changed it
More like the gaijin fucked up
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>>171331783

>the Power Rangers stream has gone to shit

NANI
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>it doesn't happen, it's only your personal bias
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>>171331793
>but seraph won't be getting back
RIP Pure Seraph Haven... I went to Masters with that deck.
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>>171331783
>>the Power Rangers stream has gone to shit
Explain further.
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>>171330875
that's ethica
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>>171332272
seraph has ~51% on shadowlog
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I'm vialing all my runecraft cards. I refuse to play this cancerous faggotry.
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>>171326945
Build a better deck if youre bricking so much.
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>>171332272

It is much more like that you will draw Seraphs/combo pieces, especially since you can tutor amulets, than your opponent drawing three Odins. It's also smart for a Seraph deck to run an alt win-con like Satan, just in case.
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>>171332190
>Hurr it's fine in this one specific matchup

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

JUST PLAYED A GAME WHERE I MISPLAYED A MILLION TIMES BUT WHOOPS DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE I STARTED SECOND SO I FUCKING WIN
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>>171332156
>Full heal
>Commander ramp that immediately reclaims the do-nothing support cannon turn
>Shuts down aggressive decks
>Random destruction/board destruction/transform/ghost bane check
>5pp removal+body or board vomit value
>Huge tempo swing and face
>Overstatted body that draws to fish up your combo and combo reset
>20/20 board
>Board clear or face reach
>Yet another giant heal on top of board clear+burn
>Saha-zeus face that also clears many thicks instead
Yeah no.
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>>171332720
3x seraph 1x satan here

(Poor Satan got cucked hard by Roland.)
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>>171332324
Glory Be!
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>>171331959
I'm not even the same person you were arguing with.
2 instances of damage is not hard to come by when the entire deck is removal and dshift allows any minion to help kill it. both iery embrace and fiery chain both bypass the need for 2 hits of damage. At best roland just delays d shift for a turn or 2 and maybe makes d shift run blade mages and an ogler or two for more damage.
>>171332494
>shadowlog stats
lol
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>>171332663
HOW DOES DECK BUILDING PREVENT ME FROM DRAWING THREE OF THE SAME CARDS YOU CUNT

AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE DECK FULL OF TWO-OFS? 1-OFS? SHOULD I JUST MAKE A FUCKING HIGHLANDER DECK?

I DON'T EVEN CARE IF YOU'RE BEING IRONIC OR SARCASTIC GO FUCK A CUNT YOU BREEDING LITTLE PUSSY GO CUM ON SOME WHORE'S FUCKING BELLY YOU SHIT
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>>171332847

>3 seraph
>with satan

no point

t8 seraph
t9 seraph
t10 satan

The reasoning behind it is less bricks while being dirtcraftproof.
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>>171332962
wew
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>>171332962
Luck is a skill retard.
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>>171332878
your ideas are certainly better than shadowlog stats :^)
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>>171332847

I run 1 of Baha/Satan in my Seraph personally. I've had matches against Dirt Rune in particular where having that alternate win condition was a life saver.
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>>171332962

>tells an anon to go have sex

Normally this wouldn't be an effective tell-off, but since we're on 4chan it's up in the air.
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Will aggro still be viable in the next expac
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>>171332962
learn to mulligan my dude
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>>171333082
I BET YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEX WITH LADIES LIKE SOME KIND OF FUCKING ASSHOLE YOU

YOU

UKRAINIAN
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>>171333013
I used to go with just 3 seraph, added satan specifically to counter dirtrune.

I could have removed a seraph, yes, but she's my wife.
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>>171333174
I hope not.
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>Wildfang x3 then Altered Fate x2
I got meme'd on
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>>171333145
kys esl
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>>171333182
YEAH GUESS IT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT SHUFFLING THE DECK ENOUGH HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA

HA. HA. HA. HAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
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>>171333174
Not with the new amulet that forces your bats to hit 1/4 followers over face.
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>>171333414
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>>171333414
haha rawr
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>>171333414
>>171332962
>>171326945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY
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When is pic related coming to Cunnyverse as a Dragoncraft card? Fuck D-shift and fuck Wolfbolt
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>When this is your hand against Dshift, and has been since like turn 3
Nice.

I don't even know how it took him that long. Probably because I did fucking nothing.
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If they don't fix ouroboros I'm quitting this shit.

There's no point in going on if you're forced to play sword every single new expansion.
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How to fix dragon:

13pp Spell
Win the game

Makes Wyvern Cavalier and Emisarry mandatory but should be a fun combo
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>>171333826
Fix your autism and play other crafts.
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>>171333896
So, Dshift?
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pls concede

44513
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>>171333637
>10 mana
Unplayable.

Hell, is it even playable in Eternal? Wasn't 90% of top tier just aggro? I tried it for a couple of weeks, but after nothing, but Rakano/Infiltrate aggro/ wallet yellow (the one with sand titan legendary or whatever, the no fun allowed one, you know the one), I just gave up on it.
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>>171333949
Go ahead play another three months of midsword yourself. I'm done with it.
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>>171333896
>Phoenix Roost, win the game
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>>171333826
Ouroboros is fucking shit. Are you fucking retarded mang?!
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>>171333826
It takes an enormous amount of bitching from the east and west just to get these idiots to glance at the cards that are causing havoc

They really need to hire a balance team
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>>171334003

thx skellie
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>>171334087
Good riddance. I'm enjoying Nep a lot.
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>>171333637
They have a follower who punishes your opponent for playing their followers. I'm scratching my head as to why they don't have a follower who can punish the opponent for playing spells.
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>>171333986
Casino Dshift yeah

Need to pull it with Emisarry then Cavalier it or Cavalier it twice

>>171334089
Forgot Roost existed.
Maybe make it 40pp so you need to roost twice to play it
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>>171333826
The leak was wrong you whiny faggot.
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>>171334082
Y-You're telling me Eternal is bad? B-but I just downloaded it! Now what should I do?
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>>171332878
If you are going to be reasonable and not a faggot I will not be one either, then.
>2 instances of damage is not hard to come by when the entire deck is removal
Yes, but you have to remember that it's turn 7 and DShift already had to remove a lot of stuff, including probably an evolved Albert and maybe an Alwida's. They most likely still have removal, especially if they managed to draw into Merlin at some point, but they need multiples of it to deal with any ward Sword throws at them after that point, unless they deal with the amulet.
>and dshift allows any minion to help kill it
That's actually a good point, however, a follower spent killing a ward is less face damage in the combo (that is already significantly reduced by Durandal), so, if they need to play the combo with a Golem or Levi to finish off Durandal and will not have lethal after doing it, the combo won't be played, and Roland is stalling them for one entire turn.
>both iery embrace and fiery chain both bypass the need for 2 hits of damage
Yes, that's what I'm saying. They specifically need stuff that bypasses Durandal, while against other wards they can just use any other removal they have. That's why it is so good.
>At best roland just delays d shift for a turn or 2 and maybe makes d shift run blade mages and an ogler or two for more damage.
Delaying DShift for a turn or two when it's turn 7-8 and we are talking about Sword means that enhanced Albert is on its way to kill the DShift player off. Also, if DShift is forced to tech specifically against Sword, that means that Sword has the advantage in the match up.
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>>171334275
Source: my anus
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>>171334378
>baiting to get spoonfeeded
your tactics are weak
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>>171334378

Just fucking check it retard.

the LW isn't on evo anymore, it still sucks, but it's not a complete joke anymore.
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>>171334256
>Phoenix roost, Phoenix roost, lose the game
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This wasn't a concede
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>>171334323
It's actually ok if you just play Forge and Draft all day

never click the "Play Ranked" button, ever
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W E W
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>there are people who think Oroboros isn't going to be cancer
I really want to see /svg/ being proved wrong again.
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41482
Concede please.
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>>171334664
>8 pp do nothing and die to Themis
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Guys guys guys
Ouroboros will make Phoenix Roost legit.
You'll never run out of big guys to play with Ouroboros around.
And you can even play him with Rahab for another guy that just keeps getting big(because of roost)
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>>171334664
My pacts are going to enjoy all those free 9/5s.
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>>171332753
yeah and all of those are worse than infinite value of healing + burn + 8/4 body every turn since turn 6-8

elf queen is good but overhyped, she is worse than fairy beast in a lot of situations, isfaril is meh comparing to luci (won't heal you with saha btw), zeus is a joke, aegis comes too late and deals nothing on the turn when it's dropped, dark jeanne helps your enemy and is a huge joke, belphegor is a mary combo meme if used without blood moon and is mediocre if used with it, maelstorm is good but either needs a tempo loss setup (blood moon / baphomet + blood moon) or you can end with merely two 5/5 snakes on turn 8, ginger is a joke, hulking giant discards your dirt tokens for a so-so chance to end the game and then dies, also comes late, minthe and eachtar need a complicated setup to get some value, gawain need a commander heavy deck to get some value and is useless if you don't have commanders in your hand, roland is good but only for stalling and finally dragon priestess is decent but worse than ouroboros
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>>171334770
The do nothing meme doesn't work if the card actually does something.
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>>171334754
Thanks!
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>>171334778
>You'll never run out of big guys to play with Ouroboros around.
Odin still exists.
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>>171334323
>>171334612
This, limited format was the only fun I had playing the game. After I managed to craft my constructed control tri color Icaria deck (tier 2 very heavy control with a big boss that's next to impossible to remove wincon, lots of equipment), the game was pure misery. The game has control options that make SV and HS look like a fucking joke, and aggro STILL dominates, HARD. When I looked at meta snapshots from before I joined, aggro was king. Yet, for the 6 weeks or so I played, a DIFFERENT aggro was king too. Top tier was like 2 different aggro, and some ridiculously expensive midrange deck (combrei or whatever, green/yellow).
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>>171333345
oh, i thought that esl-seeking clown quit the thread
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>>171334664
>Dragon can pop a Demon Strike on T8 now
>Seraph and Dshift can kill you by then

ouroboros is literally JO support
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>go second
>lose
wow nice fucking game
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>>171334770
>spent 6pp so that I can heal and demonic strike you next turn
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>>171334786
Will Shadow forever be Dragon's natural enemy?
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>>171334894
>8 pp do same thing as 1 pp card (Crimson Sorcery)
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>>171334770

>8pp do nothing
>hits 3 to the face and recovers 3 hp when muh themis comes in
>back to your hand

Stop forcing this do nothing meme
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>>171334956
np, eris
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>too nervous to stream
>dont want to stream to zero viewers
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>>171334961
>next turn play 2 Ouros
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>>171326945
>>171332962
>>171333414
>hear the dragons roar
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>>171335007
>turn 8
>what is ramp
>>
Why do customer support tell me there's no account link option in the Steam version even though I did it just earlier? Are they retarded? It's right there.
Just let me finish this stupid mission damnit.
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>>171335021
i don't take complaints seriously unless they end in shadowbabs
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>>171335021
>not teching Odin for mirror
What the cuck?
>>
>go against a Vania
>it's control
>go against a Urias
>it's aggro

ugh... shadowtards?
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>>171335021
Even dshit mirrors have more action then seraph ones.
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>>171335178
I have it, I just didn't draw it
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>>171335031
>>171334786
You'll get yours soon enough Shadowjew.
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>>171335021
Just, like, make haste, Slepnir, lol
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>>171335161
You have to link it to Facebook or Google Play using mobile.
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That's boring. Now the card is at least insanely good in take two.
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>>171332403
That's how probability works. Unlikely doesn't mean impossible you dropout

>>171333637
What game?

Depends on how the wandering bard plays out.

>>171333675
>Build shit
>Mulligan shit
>Get shit
>Die
Poetry

>>171334664
I kill thicker like clockwork, not really expecting anything

>>171334778
There's too many from hand combos and unlike haven you have pretty janky board clear. yes your cards are 1/4 off but you lose 1/3 of your pp to draw and half of it to clearing whatever they do meaning you can only play a couple wards which wont soak up whatever their aggro play is.

And that is the crux of the roost deck. You are physically incapable at stopping their offense at the best of times which you wont be in, you're going to deck out or get mauled by from-hand combo as they can clear all 3 of your wards with hard removal then maul the shit out of you. Not to mention you can't drop roosts without a closer hand because the first baha that flies will kill your draw engine and you with it.
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>>171335262
>1.55 MB .png
Dumb Erisposter.
>>
Please concede.
>>
So, now that Dragon is saved, is Haven the new meme? They only got a new win con that they don't even need. Their other cards are not particularly exciting.
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>>171335378
The number of winbombs is going to be retarded. Hopefully they at least pull Olivia and Bahamut from the pool.
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>>171333637
>dies to themis
it's shit
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>>171334836
Dark jeanne is only played when it clears them out or your board is able to slam jam. I can see it working in count haven pretty well.
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what we really need to get it's a cheap neutral spell to destroy amulets
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>>171335442
Alright.
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>tfw you pretty much needs to run Odin in every deck now
>only blood and Haven can deal with snek in one turn
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>>171335504
>can't play themis
lol rekt
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>>171331028
back in ptp forest day dshift rune petrify. They take it out because the current meta doesn't need it. But with all the new amulet like that neutral amulet in the new expansion you can bet rune will run 2-3 petrify.
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concede pls
19097
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>>171334836
Gawain is likely going to be run in an ironwrought-support cannon deck which consists mostly of commanders, a couple quickblade/vanguards, and 1 or 2 pompous princesses to get officers on the board to start boosting and trading. Gawain will let them get ahead of curve and surviving more which is going to be savage.
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>>171335262

I can't take it anymore

How do I git gud at spurdo edits?
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>>171335584
Thanks.
>>
Let's be honest, this whole "text was wrong" was bullshit.

They just made it up in the last minute to save face. Even with the last word fix the card is still garbage though.
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>>171335581
This desu
Execution being 5 pp is a joke

I'd be fine if it was 2-3 pp on amulets only and Enhance (5) to destroy a follower instead.
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>>171335630
thanks vampy
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>>171334786
9/5?
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Which card are we removing to add Roland in Control Sword?
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How does the game know I'm watching the power rangers stream?
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Concede please

29353
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>tfw you Ouroboros + evolve to kill two followers turns 5, 6 and 7 while they had to deal with all your wards and healing on the early game
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>>171335884
Pact of the nethergod on ouroboros. Kawhy immunity was a double edged sword
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>>171335781
it's not bullshit. there's no way they would make a bad dragon legendary
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>>171335972
frontguard or alwida
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>>171335986
>watching after Zeo

they also baned trihard and pepe emotes, fuck them
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>>171335593
>now
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>>171335593
Calamitous Curse
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We need a version of this with Ouroboros and eggs
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>>171335161
last time I checked you steam could link to android but not iOS
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>>171334778
>Ouroboros will make Phoenix Roost possible
For the opponent too. Brilliant!
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>>171335461
If Elana Aegis ends up working, you'll regret making fun of them.

Otherwise yes, 5% play rate, tier 3 forever, etc.
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Ouroboros is now an awesome card for T2
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>tfw I just won a 25 turn game against neptits with 1 health remaining
>with saha ramp
https://youtu.be/csBaUsAySSQ
I fought so hard for this
I feel so good right now
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>>171336073

>there's no way they would make a bad dragon legendary
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>>171335308
Finally! Thank you anon!

>>171336226
It can, but apparently linking your Steam account isn't what they mean. I wish they'd make that more obvious.
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The only way they can fix Dragoncraft now is to release a mini-expansion of good Dragoncraft cards only and call it:

"The Rise of the Tempest of Rowen Evolved"
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>>171336463
>>171336463
>>171336463
new thread
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>>171336174
A lot of people are going to jump to dirtrune now that they have some actual muscle, while still having the only non-legendary banish aside from Haven.
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>>171336456
Just give Dragon the Dragon leader.
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>>171335461
Elana will become the most cancerous deck in the history of shadowverse, the only thing holding elana back is bahamut but aeigis apparently doesn't die to that and kills you anyway
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>>171331042
not going to argue about hypothetical future csword lists, but if you think ward is irrelevant to dshift and that the deck never bricks you're fucking delusional
wards might do less than they do against many other decks, bricking might be less frequent than with other decks, but holy fucking shit you retard the text "ward" is not literally irrelevant
are any of those rune wins even from dshift or did you just ride daria through A rank and think you're qualified to talk about anything
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>>171328991
>plays bahamut

Your Roosts are done.
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>>171336456
i think the original text of ouroboros was more balanced
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dead general dead game
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>>171336926
>250 posts/hour
sure
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>>171336554
Why would you do that. Roost is actually good for you
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Can I get a concede??

42708
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>>171339234
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>>171339361
too slow
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>>171339234
Tyty
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