/fhg/ - For Honor General

>tfw will never return to River Fort/High Fort

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Posting today's batch of webms

>>171261081
We'll be back eventually, once those maps are optimized enough.

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>>171260776
More expensive. The cheaper one is the slowest.

Surprisingly, Neckbreaker is slower than Skull Cracker.
The more you know, I guess

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1 character limit in 4v4 when

>>171261236

Optimal maps include one hazard per surface.

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>>171261232

>>171261081
do someone has screenshots of them ? I don't remember what they look like

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webmshare.com/wngBY

this was a fun game

Best stats for warden?

Can someone post the fuck bitches feint wardens pic? Cant find it anywhere

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>>171261405
It was in the last thread, you mong.

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>>171261283
>Not wanting to have a full Lawbro team

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>>171261421

Never got DCs since launch but ever since the update I DC every two matches.

WHAT IS GOING ON? I hate this

>>171261278
>PK also has the fastest execution

>>171261283
>have to have 3 pocket alts with good stats just so you don't get fucked when teammates snap pick your favorite character
>class specific orders end up with people auto quitting the match when they can't pick Hybrid
Can you imagine the salt? It would be hilarious.
Even better if you also couldn't pick enemy team characters.
You would only have 5 choices if you're the last to pick.

Remember roachfags, if you're planning in runing away from battle, keep an eye on your surroundings

https://youtu.be/W9eEBM0B-94

>>171261529
and it is unlocked at level 1

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>>171260984
Where will THIS General lead?

What lewd things will you do with your FemRaider and ValkQueen?

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POST AND R8, MAINS

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>Doing elim for orders
>The PK I was fighting runs away
>Go to help out our Zerk
>He doesn't 2v1 the Lawbringer
>Lawbringer gets revenge
>PK that ran away stabs me in the back
>Zerk is still watching
>Get thrown off a cliff

I don't think I've ever been so mad in a videogame before.

>>171261456
Thanks

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Thought skill could win any matchup
Then I played zerker vs warlord and conq

>>171261385
>Open Webm
>It's not a Lawbringer
>Alt-F4

>>171261615
>Black Shug
Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.

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>>171261529
FUCKING NERF WHEN REEEEEEEE

>>171261591
Next time make a Webm
and don't post it!

>>171261492
You practically cancelled out of your overhead counter, wtf animation didn't even really play

>>171261608
The hell is this? Why are those tits so outrageous?

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>>171260830

Improved left it is then.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl5Ky4ND0jI&t=263s

>>171261763
Next up, try raider versus shugoki or lawbringer versus peacekeeper.

>>171261763
why are you assuming you have skill

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>>171261803
white shugo looks silly

>>171262127
>THE PASTIEST MAN IN THE DAWN EMPIRE

>>171261983
You're really asking this when anime tits exist?

Repost, because I must be retarded; I can't seem to land a side light that doesn't get blocked after Warden's shoulder charge. Can I only get in a top light?

>>171261528
>WHAT IS GOING ON?
Game has to pull from more regions due to the playerbase plateauing.
Also the shitty p2p "daisychain" style netcode is terribly unstable when dealing with multiple players due to having to send data in so many directions, and host migration often just leads to a lobby crash because of it.

Not often you get too much lag in 1v1 or small gametypes like Brawl, but in 4v4 you can just have streaks of terrible connectivity.
It's also worse in parties with friends.

>>171261578
It'd make more people realize how retarded gear is

>>171262127
looks like an abusive dad

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>>171261904
Too lazy for that shit

>>171262216
Those aren't anime tits, though.

>>171261803
>>>171261615
>>Black Shug
>Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.

I just Black Shug because it seems to fuck with a lot of minds.

>>171261947
You talking about the crushing counter > shoulder bash transition? It looks a little jank, but crushing upper is literally just a light attack in terms of animation and recovery. That was all working as intended.

>>171262321
That's because 99% of people that play black shug are memelords.

>try bot match for the rewards in Elimination
>bots literally do nothing but try and gank me while completely ignoring my team mates

What the fuck is wrong with the AI sometimes.

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*ATTENTION XBROS*
There is now an /fhg/ club on xbox
If you would like to join either look up:
For Honor General Official
OR
add metalkid267 and i will invite you to the club

>>171261615
>giganigga
At least try and make him look Maori or something

>>171262397
I can agree with this. I play BIG BLACK SHUGOKI and i'm a hot memer

>male Orochi
>with bunny ears

Is there anything gayer

>>171262437
>metalkid267

>>171262437
What's the 267 in metalkid267 stand for, anyway?

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>>171262437

>>171262501
Peacekeeper mains.

>>171261803
>>171262213
>>171262270
>>171262492
can you guys stop bullying the shugoki and post mains

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>>171262437
>the MOLTEN HOT DAD I'D LIKE TO FUCK, METALDAD267 just posted
Take me now!~!~!~!~

>>171262524
That's how many virgins he's fucked bro. He's so cool!

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>>171262437

>>171262402
The AI is programmed to have no honor.

In fact, the devs were surprised and disappointed that the human players obeyed rules of honor in the team modes.

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>>171262610
Aww, big black boy didn't like the teasing. Fiiiinnne

>>171261457
on the bright side, no full team of enemy PKs

>>171262759
Rectal rave?

>>171262759
Rectal rave?

>>171262524
Its initials on a dial pad in a random order.
I know im autistic

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>Playing Elim as Nobushi
>Kill Valk who has a way higher gearscore 1v1
>She's whining in chat about our Orochi sprinting around (despite theirs doing the same thing)
>Matched against her again
>She refuses to fight me not next to a ledge
>Debuffs me immediately
>Parry her, toss her off the ledge
>Endless salt in chat about how I can't 1v1 her because I'm a noob

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Well, I finally hit rank 3 Lawbringer. Time to move onto another character.

I have no fucking idea what I want to play next. Maybe a character that is actually good.

Should I save my steel for a better character or burn it all trying to get cool looking LB gear?

Jfc I feel like conq is so god damn slow and without his cheese he's nothing

>>171262759
how did you get that border

>>171261763
I tried a 2v1 of me being shugoki and an enemy LB and Nobushi

at least the LB was fucking honorable about it, Nobushi just ran and then came and bleedspammed whenever I fought LB

>>171262884
>>171262907
?
What's a rectal rave, an anal party?

>>171262921
>random
it's 3 numbers man the amount of combinations ain't exactly staggering. coulda just put them in order.

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Hail /fhg/ brothers!
Please view my LAWBRINGER webm!

>>171262992
Nobu is fun and balanced, go play her

just ran into a rep 23 Orochi in dominion who'd spam all the parry bait moves and never fainted his tops

>>171263009

conq is nothing even with his cheese, dude

he's trash-tier against anyone with a decent unblockable or charge-up

>>171263016
Preorder bonus for being a good goyim

>>171262050
easily the most clickbaiting and dumbest vid I have ever witnessed watching youtube

if you're an honorable PK (for some reason) then I feel bad for you, any other PK, You deserve everything that happens to this PK in this video.

>>171263098
you have made my day worse

>>171262992
>get to the point where you start getting good gear
>stop playing
Why do this?

>>171262243

the light is supposed to interrupt the shoulder charge/gb anon, once you've eaten the shoulder charge you're most likely gonna eat some dmg, unless you manage to light him just as he hits you

what class do you play?

>>171262524
You obviously haven't heard of
Themetalkid267.
He's 240x the man TheLegend27 is.

Reminder that Nobushi is best girl.

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>>171263204
I only really care about gear for looks and most play duel/brawl anyway.

I just start to get a little bored after I hit that point. Also while I don't think Lawbringer is as shit as people say he is, he just has some weird quirks that get frustrating to play (not being able to guardbreak after blocking something that should be punishable, being too fucking fat to dodge charge attacks quickly, etc) and there were so many times that I was leveling up my Lawbringer I just kept saying to myself 'if I was still playing Nobushi I would wipe the floor with this fucking clown.'

I kind of want to try one of the broken classes just to see if it really is as easy as it looks, but none of the appeal to me aesthetically.

>>171263320
Reminder that kill yourself.

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>>171263098
YOU FUCKING INFIDEL HOW DARE YOU REEEEEEEEE

>>171262040
I actually thought the one on the left looked more human, but eh. Opinions.

>>171263320
Lewdkeeper is better.

Does Nobushi even lewd?

>>171262940
>higher gearscore
>refuses to fight anywhere but near a ledge
>debuffs immediately
>still gets parried
Salt and Toxic Waste are a bad mix.

>be PK
>test theory
>shit on opponent just by blocking, parrying and punishing
>get called OP spammer

which one of you was it?

inb4 ""be PK", stopped reading there hurr XD"

>MATCHMAKING FAILED
>10 MINUTE WAIT TIMES
>GEAR BALANSE :DDD XDDDD
>RETARD TEAMS
>UNBALANCED CLASSES

fuck this im playing HOI4

>>171263490
>be PK
stopped reading

>>171263517
Enjoy driving one truck into Moscow

>>171263490
Just parrying into the stab trio is already overpowered. That's more damage than any other class can get off of a simple guardbreak.

>>171263098
>five whole seconds of LB emoting
>10 whole seconds of a shugoki getting raped by a PK
this is fucking stupid

>>171263320

Nobushi is too boring

PK brings stronger emotions, everyone either wanna fuck her or hate fuck her while choking her out and she gasps like when she's out of stamina

>>171263467
Do Peacekeepers spam?
Is the Warlord invulnerable?
Does Valk have one of the fastest combos in the game?

>>171263569

yeah but bleed doesn't stack beyond 3, if you get a second guardbreak while opponent is still bleeding you don't get anything out of it except the 2 dmg from the stabs

they could remove bleed and give us a free heavy instead like most other classes for all i care, but it would be a bit boring if all punishes were the same

>>171263590
it is a meta meme that has gone over your head son

>>171263490
>be PK
Stopped reading

>>171263598
fuck man now I gotta play PK and run out of stamina just to hear what it sounds like

>>171263736
can't you confirm after a parry with a forward lunge and it's confirm bleed?

>>171263320
>sideways vagina
>best girl

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What are some solid characters that can actually compete against the top tier that I won't be a faggot for playing?

>>171263387
Don't worry I'll do it when the general dies, and at this rate that'll be pretty soon.

>>171263736
That's bullshit, I've had a PK bot parry and grab me twice in a row and take away 70% health on a warden.

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>>171263467

>>171263847

bleed still won't stack on top of other bleeds, there's a max limit, unless you're in 4v4 with the OP feats

>>171263862

There aren't any.
Welcome to Ubisoft.

>>171263310
>He's 240x the man TheLegend27 is.
That's because TheLegend27 is a woman

>>171263862
>compete
Do you mean "Win consistently"? Peacekeeper and Warlord, you're a faggot for playing them. IF you just mean "Put up a fight rather than immediately die" every class other than Law, Raider, Orochi, and Zerker will get you there.

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>>171263960
>OP feats
pls

>>171263898

duel/brawl or 4v4?

>>171264061
Duel.

>>171263230
No, I mean I shoulder charge and land it, but then when I go for the side light, people recover fast enough to block it. Am I just too slow?

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>>171261615
I am considering replacing my left gear guy's stuff with the appearance of the right guy.

Either that or buy the pony up emote.

Middle guy is my duel guy.

/blog. Comment and subscribe

>>171263862
conk
nobushi

>>171264112

aaah you're the warden, i get it, yeah sounds like you're too slow, after a shoulder charge hit the double side light should be guaranteed

unless you're playing 4v4 against someone with debuff resistance gear

>>171264061
Do you have any proof of bleeds not stacking? It sounds like bullshit

>>171263862
LEGENDARY is a big muscular manly man who shits on all the twinks and strong, beautiful womyn.
Be a man, man.

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>>171264132
I used the old image. I suck cocks

>>171264112
>>171264208
That or you're not hitting the shoulder charge properly. I've noticed that if I charge my shoulder charge all the way and the enemy is just barely within my reach, my Warden will slightly bump into them instead of knocking them properly and we'll both recover at the same time.

>>171264132
>>171264259
why does he suck, he looks so fucking good

>>171264401
All he does is guard the pope - and no one ever fights the pope.
LB is a fatass in that armor

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>>171262437
Metalkid-san~

>>171264246
Raider doesn't shit on anybody. He has fewer good matchups than fucking lawbringer. At least lawbringer gets a poke that isn't also locked off by a heavy feint or a dash.

>>171263862
Conq
Kensei
Berserker
I think these are the only ones.
Raider is perceived (at least by me) to always throw you off a ledge
LB needs buff, devs pls
Nobushi, Peacekeeper, Roach, Valk and Berserker are all spamming shits that all have really fast attacks that deal lots of damage, Nobushi PK and Valk having bleed attacks
Warlord with the right stats is near fucking invulnerable and desperately needs a nerf

Shugoki's balanced.
I think.

>>171264470
out of curiosity, what are considered raiders good matchups?

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>>171263395

I liked the hair better too but what about meeting in the middle?

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>>171264464
STOP REMINDING ME THAT I NEED TO FARM RUPEES!

>>171264526
I do well against orochis but that might be because orochi is shit

>>171264132
>>171264259
I like all three, lawbringer has a great design.

fought a lb earlier with the pony up emote, its probably the best combat emote.

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>>171264459
>Pope gets attacked today if you don't reply

>>171264108
>>171264228

make a custom game against a lv. 1 bot, enter as PK

guardbreak bot, stab 3 times, it will apply 2 dmg per hit plus the bleeds
guardbreak again, stab 3 more times, it will apply the 2 dmg per hit, but no extra bleeds

PK applies 3 bleeds, like so:

Stab 1 applies 2 dmg + 15 Bleed dmg over 10 sec
Stab 2 applies 2 dmg + 12 Bleed dmg over 8 sec
Stab 3 applies 2 dmg + 9 Bleed dmg over 6 sec

now i just tested 2 gb's right after each other when all original bleeds were running, no added bleeds

>>171264547
Just do your dailies my man and abuse the dragon!

>>171264545
Looks great to me senpai.

>>171264509
t. two hours played

>>171264049
>Debuff for vicinity and Sharpen Blades
>uses Stab on Orochi
>Deal all of health in bleed damage
>Roach unlocks
>that defeated look in roach's eyes when he knows there is no way he can do anything.
PK's fucking disgust me

>>171264545
Probably the best one. Though pink skin and yellow hair might make it even better.

What is gauranteed for Raider off a wall stun?

>>171264208
>>171264330
Thanks. I don't think I CAN charge too much if I launch the SB off of a light attack, can I?

oh boy now we have cuck emblems, yeah I think I'm done here.

>>171264509
People will still think you're a faggot for using Conq just because he's one of the top tournament guys and is one of the best in the game with the current meta. Also I noticed you left out Big Money Warden out of your list. Does he exist on another plane of existence?

>>171264526
He has no matchups that are in his favor. He has a few even matches and a lot of disadvantaged ones. Against like a Shugoki though, just quit the game.

Can someone spoonfeed me on how to follow up on a parry against someone that's out of range of a GB?

>>171264698

thanks for the feedback

>>171264627

i'm guessing that you replace a bleed once it runs out though

would be interesting to see further testing but i'm too lazy

i reckon most classes that can heavy off of parry/gb will get more damage out of 2 guardbreaks within the span of 10 seconds than a PK can

ofc, once the bleeds runs out you can apply all 3 again, but i've lost a good few rounds by getting rekt while some dude is bleeding out

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>>171261615
>tfw it's gonna cost me 2400g just to change all my statted gear into /fa/shion gear

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>>171264728
WAKE ME UP
(wake me up inside)
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>171264870
On which character? They all have their own options.

>>171264716
No, actually.

In all my time of playing, I've either eaten shit by Nobushi, PK, Roach and Valk, Got destroyed in the aftermath of a 108 gearscore Warlord, Raider tosses me off ledges 90% of the time, or gotten fairly beaten in a duel by Conq Kensei or Berserker.
I've beaten up LBs an awful lot.
And Shugoki's seem to me to be balanced: Lots of health, Lots of damage, slow as fuck.
Every once and a while I'll come across a player that plays the opposite but I judge based on majority, not minority.

>>171264971
If you're getting shit on by nobushis and orochis/think conq is fair you're either retarded or have less than two hours played

>all these weeks in and I haven't made a single friend

>>171264768
Not unless the enemy backdashes a million miles and you charge it until it autolaunches. So you're probably just messing up the timing. I do it from time to time as well so don't worry about it and just practice a little.

>>171264768

it's all about mindgames, you want your opponent to fear the vortex, but not predict it, mix things up or you will develop patters and opponent will get a read on you

>>171265038
I have trouble with Nobushis still, occasionally. They're real hard to get a hold of.

>>171261278

>pop top quicker than garrote

Huh here I was thinking it was the other way around, I can go back to homerunning heads off neat

>>171264597
Custom thing to do with friends
>go into 4v4 elimination
>one player goes LB
>others go as who the fuck cares
>3 friends and LB group up, LB cannot attack, only revive, block and guard break, no throws
>3 friends have to defend LB at all costs
You lose under normal lose conditions, if LB dies, or if everyone dies and LB cannot revive.

>>171265131

just walk right up to their face while blocking their shitty attacks, only thing you gotta look out for is the kick, but you can easily dodge and punish that

>>171265228
The problem is any decent nobushi can parry like any other decent player. Nobushi also gets a lot of damage off of a guardbreak from a parry.

>>171265038
Orochis keep fucking jumping away from me
Nobushis run and bleedspam me to death
I've beaten a great many conqs and played him and gotten killed just as many times as I kill someone else.
So I don't know what the fuck you're going on about.

when i was a kid my dad helped me make melee weapons out of wood at me and the neighbor kid would fight.

been waiting forever for a game like this but it is so poorly-made i can't even pretend i still enjoy it

placement matches, solo, in overwatch commence this weekend. and i hate overwatch. fuck this dead game and good riddance to bad rubbish

>>171261278
does this list actually factor in the point where the enemy is considered "executed"?

I know things like LB's impale have a long overall animation, but the enemy is executed almost instantly, so even if you get interrupted halfway through the enemy's still permadead

i dont like how the only way you can really do damage as lb is if the enemy fails to cgb

>>171265340
>Nobushis run and bleedspam me to death
If a Nobu is doing that they're an idiot, if you're losing against it you're also an idiot. If you're playing against a conq who isn't turtling, he's an idiot.
Every Orochi is an idiot so case closed on that one

>>171265282

then go in bot game and practice parrying nobushi bots with damage turned off

>>171265063
I made a Nobushi friend once.

Once.

>>171265415
you can confirm lights off parries or shove into longarm for more free lights and mindgames

but yeah, if the enemy's defensive game is on point you probably won't be doing much

>>171265342
>>>/v/

>>171265453

I try to make friends here but no one wants to be friend

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>>171264739

Not my bag but here you go.

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>>171260849
You are telling me.

Fuck man i just like to play casually in dominion, maybe sit on an objective and listen to music.

I'm shit and my character is not the greatest, but hes fun.

>>171265416
As a Samurai I take great offense to that.
More specifically as a Shugoki main fuck you.

>>171265545
>rep 19
>not 108
??

>>171265438
>just parry it
Nobushi is safer on parry than any other hero.

>>171265552
>as a Shugoki main
>As a Samurai
Were we trying to prove we're not an idiot?

>>171265141
>tfw preferred garrote to poptop

Not like it matters anyway, no point in getting a fine-tuned execution if I'm still pretty shit at the basics.

>>171265545
As a LB I'm proud to say I literally sit in a corner or near a ledge and hope nobody comes and fucks my shit up while I alt tab or focus on literally anything else.

And when someone comes up to me and realizes I'm out of it standing near a ledge they sit at the edge and start emote spamming
>which brings me back to the game to long arm them off the ledge
Y'know, provided they don't just kick me off the ledge like a normal fucking person would

>>171265587
Messing around with gear. The axe head is Max defense and secondary stamina.

Not sure how i feel about it.

I love how it's faster to leave a lobby rather than people to ready up.

>>171265515
oh, please. nobody talks about this game anywhere but these generals and on reddit. the fact that it is dead shouldn't bother you if you personally enjoy it. it being dead presents a matchmaking problem, though, so it should be ok to point out that the game is already dead in this general. but whatever, go back to lewdkeeper and the intracacies of cgb you fuckin loser

>>171265375
its generally whenever your weapon connects with the enemy during the execute animation that they are permadead.

so the LB impale happens almost immediately but the orochi behead takes a few seconds.

>>171265751
I made a shit ton of videos of me long arming people who think im just enjoying the scenery.

Especially on high fort and citadel.

Its like playing chicken.

>>171265623
I'm just riding the Samurai out on the season.
Next season fuck samurai and deus vult.

I literally came to this game with the intention of being honorable and when everyone was spamming or ledging or something like that I looked over at the knights and thought
>'wow, they must be having fun'
So I'm only a Samurai for this season to get the bonuses, and because I think for some reason the samurai are gonna win this season.
Next Season I'm a knight, And only playing knights.
Deus Vult.

>>171265778
>secondary stamina

I bet your sprint-attack impale still gets you out of stamina when blocked, huh

>>171265979
I didn't even think of that, not sure.

Who's only sticking to their faction for End-Season rewards?
Is everyone just going to swap to Knights next season?
inb4 season two features so few samurai that they might as well remove the faction from the faction war

>>171265902
Perhaps not as much as weebs, but knights are also annoying, underage cancer. Switch to vikings like I'm going to

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>That guy who leaves at the end as he realizes he's losing to a team that's half bots.

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>>171266049
It's a really bad feeling when you actually land it on someone and manage to wall-stagger them with it but it costs so much stamina that you're Exhausted and can't really follow it up at all.

I don't need a perfectly balanced game but when I look at a character like Warlord next to a character like Lawbringer I fail to see how the devs could have thought this was remotely for for even one second.

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>>171266098
i just like the shape square and the color green

>>171265151
Jesus Christ that sounds pretty good.

what are the best stats for a weapon head (atk/def/stam reduction)? is one combo better for certain characters than others?

>>171266157
>rep 10 warden
>rep 17 warden

Why are warden players so autistic

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>>171262618
I saw the opportunity and I took it.

>>171266279
defense > attack > stamina cost reduction for every character

>>171266149
As far as I'm concerned
Weebs -or, samurai- are what they are, breathing anime music or all about 'muh honor', They don't care that you are getting 2v1ed and they are not going to fight if you come in to help them, 95% of them are shit and the 5% are those that regret their choice.
Vikings are Ledging Ganking pieces of shit from my experience alone, but I see this happen a lot on YT and from .webm's, They are also ill-mannered salt and toxic induced children. (And if you don't think you are, stop acting like it.)
Knights can pretty much be summed up in one video in my opinion. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCKyK_c5idM

>>171266381
>not attack>defense>stamina to break through all the defense maxers

>>171265534
>actually quite disturbing...
I guess you win, faggot.

>>171266279
The weapon blade is the one thing I think is quite balanced. Max stamina gives about 40ish percent reduction, which is amazing for characters who can abuse zones like Raider, PK, warden to some extent, etc. Atk is a straight 20% damage boost, and defense is 24% damage reduction. In theory, if you're really good, Atk/Stam is the best combo but def goes well with gain on injury and overall survavibility. I'm personally using Atk primary to offset the fuckhuge warlord defense bonuses and and def secondary as mistakes can happen often in 4v4 modes.

>>171266327
What, you're not allowed to like a class so much that you main it?

>>171266604
correct. not that. defense scales better and is the better stat in the situations where you are most likely to die - group fights where you've eaten a guard break or been cc'd in any number of ways

attack in practice is far worse but also strictly worse in scaling, and it doesn't matter what other players may or may not be doing with their gear in 4v4 modes.

>>171266327
Have you just bought the game? People who've played since release are rep 15+ on their mains and 5+ on their alts nowadays.

>>171266916
Maybe if you play 8 hours a day like some fag

>>171266604
>>171266381
>>171266813
I really wish they'd at least double the value at which weapon Stam scales so that it would actually be viable. This would allow for glass cannon builds that can actually go offensive for a couple of combos, or defensive builds that can endure through fights and defend points like they aimed to do.

>>171266916
maybe if all you do is dominion

>>171267027
Fuck you too.

>>171266813
>4% less
Wow my inner minmaxer is screaming, meanwhile every time I pop revenge I do roundabout double damage.

>starting to see more Lawbringers in machmaking

Fuck this anxiety i get. It's like they are looking up to me only to have their hopes crushed.

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>join brawl
>other team both green in lobby
>in game, shit's jittering around and attacks hitting despite block animation/sound
>trying to react to unblockables in this shit
>both enemy connections red
>end of game, back to green while they talk shit

People who do this are probably going to go unpunished, aren't they? Can Ubisoft in their incompetence even tell the difference between this shit and their own fuck ups?

>>171266813
Can you explain why def scales well and attack scales badly?
In theory you should kill 20% faster or be killed 24% slower. The higher attack also allows you to get that execution before getting to their last bar.
Def might be more useful in Dominion and Skirmish but Elim is about snowballing and killing fast is essential.

>>171267167
yeah and so do i

it isn't min-maxing to answer a question accurately and objectively that it goes def>atk>stam

the guy didn't ask what mix of stats makes you personally smile when you play, he asked what the best is.

>>171267086
>>171267027
I played about 3 hours yesterday and 3 hours today, mostly doing duels/brawls, only doing enough elims to complete orders and I got a full rep from that already. Brawls are especially efficient.

>>171266356
Holy shit that's awesome

>>171267305
attack doesn't scale badly. defense just scales better, and always works - especially when death typically happens in the gear modes - when you are guardbroken by someone you're not targeted on, knocked down in a group fight, bullshitted by feats, etc

attack is fine. it's good. sometimes, in a 1v1 with no outside interruption, a 120 health opponent will be killed in 4 hits by your 36 damage max attack heavy versus 4 hits by your 33 damage almost-max attack heavy

def > attack > stam

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Battle of the twins! and the first fair match in weeks.

Did Ubi fix revenge stacking yet?

>>171266381
>>171266637
>>171267659
what about conq? would stamina reduction be decent (as a secondary) to be able to do heavy > shield bash > heavy > shield bash more than 2, max 3 times?

>Whiny manchild gets killed by basically anything
>Cries about "D-DAS WHY DIS GAEM DYIN" in-game
>Cries about "P2W"
>Refute them saying gear doesn't matter for shit without time on a character
>Champion status is easy as hell to maintain with steel
>"You most come from CoD"
>Proceeds to not know what SF or KOF is when I say no I came from fighting games

The literal children in this game man.

>>171267351
You're ideally going to be attacking more often than you get hit,

>>171267828
sorry to contradict you but gear stats unbalance all game modes except duel/brawl.

gear stats should not even be a thing, it should be cosmetic only.

>>171267791
no. for every character it is def > atk > stam

you're killing people against walls. since it isn't an infinite, and they will slip out of the wall even if they don't dodge after two or three, that's all you're going to get 90% of the time, so you don't want to gear for the times when you get them into that perfect corner where they are blocked

being out of stamina is no problem at all

if you're in the open and able to just bash->heavy->bash them 100 to 0, you are playing someone you could beat with negative stats, let alone min-maxed stats to any degree

>>171267996
The stats virtually do not matter until you're at least rep 3 and start getting the big drastic shifts. This was some shitter that was like rep 1.

>>171268002
Look at the damage breakpoints before you start saying shit like that.

>Playing against a Nobu
>Kill him multiple times
>He doesn't know how to parry or tech
>Keeps just rolling around
>GB and side heavy/zone him every time since he won't face me head on
>Third time I fought him my menu opened on its own, it took me a good five seconds to close it and I still won the fight
>Entire chat is spammed with him saying I suck and making a thousand excuses
Can you shitters go back to playing to playing PK if you want to faceroll without knowing how to play the game? I hate when salty shitters play my main

>>171267674
>PK vs Orochi
>fair

>>171267231
Dream Update at this point in time
>Lawbringer has been buffed
>Peacekeeper has been nerfed
>Warlord has been nerfed
>Revenge and Revenge built gear has been nerfed
>Valkyrie and Warden's chains become delayed between chains (Such as Light attack x2, followed by a Unblockable Charge mixup, next setup for two light attacks is delayed)
>Maps balanced and optimized
>Matchmaking now matches people of equal skill/Gearscore over any players at all.
>Skill Rating has been added to the game, the better you do in fights, the higher your skill rating, higher skill rating = skilled opponents
>Honor has been readded to the game, This is no longer 'For nearest ledge'
>Bots have been improved to no longer attack when an enemy is in guard mode but not locked on, They will not use Guard Break and throw someone off a ledge, but will Counter Guard Break near ledges more often.
>You will now obtain more XP from playing Duel and Brawl, and beating opponents without being hit, You will not earn XP from throwing people off of ledges or winning from this (ledging) in these modes.
>You will now get more XP for beating your opponent in a fair fight (i.e. not using a ledge, not relying on teammates for assistance)
>Bots taking place of players will now follow commands more promptly. (i.e. issuing Team Messages such as 'Blue Dome (Objective C)' will now prompt one available bot to move to objective C, where they will stay until a player comes to relieve them or until issued a new command)
>Bots now follow beacons
>A new chat system has been implemented censoring swearing, and any mocking statements will be replaced
>You will now receive a loss for leaving the game mid match.
>Disconnecting does not affect this, and should not be a recurring error.
>When joining a game late, if you are on the losing team you will not be penalized for leaving, but will receive a greater reward for coming back and winning.

>now tfw none of this will ever happen

>>171268078
that was his point though. at rep 1 your ability to compete with rep 3 players is awful.

these are players that get enough revenge off of being hit and blocking that it's not a question of 'if' they will get revenge but 'when,' and if you're using shitty rep 1 gear you're not going to be able to get it yourself and overcoming that is extremely difficult. rep1s are already going to have a hard time beating higher reps simply due to inexperience, but gear just makes it an unfun slaughter.

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>>171268232
>Mentions buffs and nerfs
>not mentioning Berserker suffering

We don't even get a retarded comment like the Raider countering PK shit. Forever the NPC class.

>>171268002
even raider who uses zone attack a lot?

>>171268086
saying shit like what?

stamina cost reduction isn't even in the discussion. are you kidding me? revenge mode is infinite stamina. that's where you're killing people on conqueror in 4v4. being exhausted is completely fine and very short duration. one more bash-->heavy even with the shield basher feat is never going to be better than more raw damage and defense that are both multiplied in revenge mode where you also have infinite stamina

>>171268312
I mean he was rep 1 among rep 1's or no reps. He was whining because he got spammed down by a PK not even rep 1 I think.

I hate seeing no progress in the faction war from my factions point of view. It makes me realize nobody fucking plays as knights, and it hurts.

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>>171268454
oh yeah that's just a faggot then.

it IS pretty fucking frustrating when you're trying to level offclasses through orders and you're a gear level 8-20 dude fighting someone at 108. the amount you need to outplay them, on a class you probably don't know that well, is just not really feasible to happen.

>>171268350
I thought Berserker was fine.

And Raider you just need to learn how to cgb dodge and block.

Unless I just play against shitty Raiders and good Berserkers.

>>171268452
See if that 4% ever gives you an extra hit, or at least one more hit than secondary buffed defense. Because the attack boost definitely cuts down on hits to kill.

>>171268409
yes
being out of stamina is no problem in this game. especially when exhaustion recovery and stamina regen rate are on gear pieces where they are a clear choice due to not competing with attack and defense, and are therefore going to be high

>>171268527

I'll put it this way, Berzerker isn't worse than Orochi

friendly reminder that you should leave every game in which you are matched against people who are significantly higher in rep and gs than you as protest against the shit matchmaking.

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>>171268614

>>171268232
>>171268350
>>171268527
>>171268614
guys chill I haven't even finished the dream update yet, there is a 2000 char limit to posting

>>171268648
I hope you don't think orochi is good

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>play berserker
>1v1 duel
>vs Kensei
>he knows to slowly back away once he is in range

stupid short ranged champion

>>171268710
You're fucking retarded if you think he's worse than Berserker. Being the definition of mid tier is a far cry from the in the shit heap.

>everyone says zerker is bad
>i keep seeing more and more of them each day

>>171268847
>Number of people playing berserk relative to how good the hero is

Sure

>>171268552
the extra defense? you can eat a few more heavies before you die

this is important because in 4v4 modes you die when you are guardbroken by a secondary opponent, swept or tossed or demon grabbed or whatever

did you ask me to look at the breakpoints before i "say some shit" without having looked at them yourself or even thought whether or not they might matter and when?

guys. i'm done here. it's defense > attack > stamina cost reduction on weapon heads, period. i guess you'll have to just trust me.

>>171268948
well if hes as bad as people say you would think there would be less people playing him over time, not more

>>171268847
Berserker is a really fun class. The chain system is cool but has a lot of the problems Kensei suffers from.The difference is that while Kensei's unblockable is a very legitimate threat, you can risk nothing by simply blocking the top heavy finisher (that requires a 4 chain to even do). You don't have to risk a thing against them, just standard defense shuts them the fuck down.

>>171269018
This game could really do with heavy attacks such as that heaving some weighty chip damage.

So that, you COULD 'just block it' but you're still going to get hit pretty hard.

Man, i'm not sure why i expected a fellow Law to not pancake me to death.

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>>171261615

>>171268957
You aren't very good if heavies in a gangbang are much of a problem for you m8. That shit's free block pre revenge and a free parry after revenge. Don't tell me you actually try to heavy attack when getting ganged up on, do you?

>>171268795
>he thinks orochi is mid tier

how bad

>>171268795
Orochi has a whopping two things they can do, nascar overhead doubletap, GB top heavy.

>>171269018
>The chain system is cool
>second hit gets parried by any competent player

>>171269248
I think orochi is mid to low-mid. He's not in the realm of underpowered, but he's definitely not a top class or even a high tier class. A good player can make a good Orochi because he can get so much damage off mistake punishing, but his options are super limited and a lot of other classes do what he does better.

>>171269345
Yes, anon, that is the inherent flaw in the Berserker's mechanic. Can you check the color of the sky and report back to us next?

>>171269175
this isn't about whether or not i am good. it is about the relative value of the stats on weapon heads.

(you can also eat more lights)

i am right. and yes i am very, very good at the game but that has nothing to do with the discussion. but on that note, i am just waiting for one good player to chime in here with "yes, it's clearly defense > attack > stamina cost reduction" but shockingly it is just scrubs trying to tell me i am wrong about this established "sky-is-blue"-tier fact in this simple game

>>171269420
It's not cool if you don't get to do it ever

It doesn't even work on bots

>>171269428
i think people are just wanting to know the reasoning behind it

>>171269505
Cool doesn't have to mean powerful, anon. Something can be thematic, flavorful, or interesting but not good. But I agree, the system really needs some changes.

>>171268648
I seriously hope you don't think berserker is worse off than orochi. Berserker can attack in two directions as fast as orochi can do tops. Being able to get a second guaranteed light isn't worth shit if you can't land them in the first place. It's also incredibly easy to parry if you know where they're coming from. This also limits his feint ability, the same way you know a kensei will never hit you with a side. Zerk can do smooth feints since he naturally chains lights and heavies together.
Berserker gets a lot of damage off knockdowns and walls. Orochi can't use terrain.
Pretty much all of the orochi unique moves are useless. Anime slash can't be used as a punish except against a whiffed warden zone or a walk sweep because it has such a long startup even the slowest heavies recover in time.
Orochi's only decent matchups is against berserker because he can abuse the reflex guard to land top lights.

t. someone who started as orochi, only top stop at rep 5 to main berserker.

>>171269428
See, you're going on and on about how defense is superior because muh 4%, but if you are being smacked around so hard defense doesn't matter nearly as much as getting the people off of you fast. No amount of defense will save you from a standard heavy in regen, and that's where you're going to be in a protracted battle. Meanwhile, boosted to max attack WILL let you get them from well above regen to dead within one or two strikes, especially if you are in revenge and your damage is maximized. If you are outplaying opponents, defense is secondary. If you are being outplayed or are a warlord or shugga and base around trades, THEN you can boost def.

>>171269681
It's not cool

>>171268232
Dream Update (at this point in time) Part 2: Going In Depth on Nerfs and Buffs
General:
>Dashing now takes a small amount of stamina to perform, but reflects as if no action was taken and thus immediately starts regenerating
>Bleed damage as a whole has been reduced
Lawbringer
>Lawbringer's Health and Damage Resistance have been increased.
>Lawbringer's Shove now only works when dashing forwards or doing a mixup combo, Sidestepping to shove no longer works, and is replaced with standard Guard Break
>Lawbringer now has new combos, All heavy attacks, All Light attacks and further combinations of said attacks.
>Lawbringer's Damage is increased slightly for all attacks
>Lawbringer now gets 'Hyper Armor', similar to Shugoki's Passive ability, when performing a second heavy attack during any combo.
Peacekeeper
>Peacekeeper's bleed damage has been reduced
>Peacekeeper's movement speed has been reduced.
>Peacekeeper's general damage has been increased.
>Peacekeeper's Health and Damage resistance has been reduced.
Warlord
>Warlord's Stamina Drain from 'Turtling' has been increased
>Warlord's Damage Resistance has been reduced.
>Warlord's Health has been increased.
>Warlord's Revenge gain rate has been reduced.
Revenge and Gear
>Revenge is now gained at a slower rate, however all its advantageous effects have been increased.
>Revenge can no longer be modified by gear, and all gear with these stat modifications have been modified accordingly to give new bonuses.
>Players now also receive Steel from dismantling equipment.
>The drop rate of gear has been increased
Game Modes
>There are now two variations of different modes, ones with Gear and searching for players of matching Gearscore, and ones without gear, and searching via Skill Rating, this should make lesser played game modes more fun to play.
Next Part, Part 3, Gamemodes.

>>171269767
>>Revenge is now gained at a slower rate, however all its advantageous effects have been increased.

Yeah it's not like several characters can do almost 80% of health off 1 revenge knockdown

>>171269767
>damage resistance
No heroes have more damage resistance than others without gear or feats, minus shugga whose hyper armor also gives damage reduction as a class feature.

>>171269874
i dont think it gives damage reduction, its just that he takes more damage with hyper armor off

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Why is catapult even in the game?
I don't understand how a feat that can kill any hero from full health makes it past testing.

Even if they were to put a 5 minute timer on it it's still broken.
Whenever the enemy team breaks you can just pop the ability and kill whoever is fighting your teammates because it's so fast.
I seriously think they need to nerf it

>>171269960
>horn blows
>panic roll
2 EZ.

>>171269861
By slower rate, I mean a much slower rate.

You have to be getting ganked pretty hard and/or parry a lot to get revenge now.
>>171269874
This means that despite having more-or less- health, characters will now take more-or less- damage, Like Shugoki's passive -or reverse-, but more of a permanent thing.

>>171269761
you are always one hit from revenge with revenge gain gear. whether that kills you or not is down to your defense stat. and how will you "get people off you fast"??? you die in group fights due to cc abilities and feats. attack is devalued right out the gate by the lightning-fast ressing. you need to be in revenge to execute in group fights.

defense is the better stat. you guys are cooking up some fantasy situations in your minds and ignoring the fact that the gear modes are all about staying alive and all about being in revenge. revenge is where you get your kills.

and again, you don't have low attack on a level 18 weapon head. that bar is really pretty fuckin high. it's the stamina cost reduction bar that is low.

i mean, you're talking serious breakpoints and serious perfect situations to even begin looking at attack as a better stat that defense

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9 decides who's next

>>171270078
That's fucking dumb, just reduce health then and don't make it "You get less health AND everyone shits on you harder"

>>171269767
Bleed is the least of my problems against pk.

What I would do is make it somewhat similar to berserker.
Make her top 100ms slower so that you always know it's coming left or right. Make her second attack 100ms slower to align it with the rest of light attacks.
Her unique thing is retarded recovery and the light confirm off heavies which aren't that hard to land when YOUR DASH ATTACKS ARE HEAVIES.

>inb4 some pk mains says dash attacks aren't viable.
Of course they aren't viable in neutral, they're counter attacks.

>>171270149
Your enjoyment of this game is long gone

Same goes for everyone asking this general to choose their next character. Your motivation is at zero to continue to play the game. I won't feed your denial so my 9 says move on to another game or hobby you enjoy more.

>>171270109
Attack isn't devalued by ressing, if that was the case then nobody would ever win fucking teamfights. Attack will boost your heavies enough to get your fastest executions off reliably against fairly healthy enemies, meanwhile defense will just leave them to scurry away and regen so you're eating more attacks from them soon enough, attack is the superior choice regardless that you get 4% more defense by level 18.

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Xbone memes
https://youtu.be/G5Ol0sOT-bo
it sucks

>>171269874
>Be LB
>Bring down PK by 40% with one heavy

>>171270078
That's stupid. Health bars being cut in 25hp chunks is meant to be easy to read so you know exactly how much damage you're going to do off your moves. It also tells you when you can execute and when the regen threshold starts.
You're merely obfuscating game mechanics by adding damage resistance instead of buffing health.

>>171270220
You forgot the zone.

>>171270307
Look at this autismo.

>>171270149
LEGENDARY

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>>171269767

>still no orochi changes

Y-you too.

>>171270398
Lawbringer has really powerful attacks. It's just unfortunate that you will never land them aside from parrying lights or grabs.

>>171269960
lol were you the LB just playing skirmish on citadel gate that was imapling a valk and I catapulted you?

if you are, git rekt hahah

>>171270424
Oh you're right. The problem with it is that nerfing it to 500ms would make it redudant with a simple side light except it can glitch and show two indicators. I think it should be entirely reworked. A 360 at 500-600ms could be nice for example.

So /fhg/, have you been in the zone yet?

Has anyone tested your abilities perfectly to this point of concentration? did you save it? show us

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>>171270307
i actually was levelling PK most recently and it was the most fun I've had with the game so far.

I was leaning on kensei for the next character.

>>171269983
>panic roll
>barely inside the radius
>die
Or alternatively
>horn blows
>panic roll
>run into 3 of your teammates because you were team fighting 4v2 in sudden death
>die

>>171270564
>most fun
That's because you were winning your battles with the least effort possible in this game.

again, you're not tanking one to boost the other. stamina cost reduction is the one that must go low.

you have plenty of attack to "boost your heavies enough"

like

this is placebo shit. i can't get this point across and i'm done trying. the numbers at play here are not significant. revenge mode is everything for executes. not having a heavy that hits for 36 instead of 33.

staying alive is everything. that means when shugoki grabs you and his two teammates uncork their top heavies simultaneously

i really am fucking done. i can't do this any more. i can't communicate such a basic thing and really i feel retarded and ashamed of myself.

i assume you are familiar with this game. you're imagining having a max defense bar and a very high attack bar is letting opponents scurry away

you're dreaming all of this. it's just not what happens in the game. def > atk > stam, period. fuck you idiots and fuck this game im going to bed

>>171270616
If you're barely inside the radius it's not a 1 hit kill, it only oneshots at the very center.

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>>171270652
Yea no shit did you know winning is fun?

>>171269960
You're supposed to listen to the sound cue. The ground indicator appears quite late and it's already too late if you're in the center when it happens.

At least catapults can be dodged, valk's javelin or an offscreen bow just fuck you up no matter what you're doing. Warlord feats are also on a whole new level.

>>171270652

i don't get why anyone should feel bad for playing a character that has good offense

once you realize that the character you're playing can only get damage off of parries it's time to move on to greener pastures until buffs arrive

Is it true that attack speed as perceived by the one being attacked can be different at different times?

The wording I used is bullshit, so an example would be:

I fight a Warden who uses his top light a lot, and it's pretty fast, but then a couple games later, I'll fight a different Warden, and his top light comes out just a tad bit slower.

Is this a thing, due to lag or some shit, or am I just delusional? I swear attack speeds are inconsistent as hell, though, regarding different matches.

It doesn't seem like a huge difference, but sometimes, it's just enough to where I can't parry an attack that I normally can.

>>171270762
I don't know if warlord's buged or if he was stacking his two damage-increasing feats, but he took off 3 WHOLE BARS of my Hp as a warden with a top heavy.

I was EXTREMELY salty.

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>>171269960

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>>171269960
My favorite feat.

>I'm new to the game
>Every fucking time I go into brawl or duel there's some rep whatever warden that never ever takes damage and can stop anything I ever do

Why, jesus fuck I don't even have a rep 1 or anything that usually starts causing this.

>>171269960
But then what am I supposed to do when the cunt peacekeeper on the other team is running away from us?

>>171269148
what is pancake

I think todays update was the update they said was happening this week.

Shit, I thought we were going to get balance changes.

>>171270731
And another person jumps on the cancer train because it's easy.

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>>171269960
>>171270868
>>171270906

A fucking warning icon just popped in my Lawbringer's image, what the fuck is it? Is it that the game is telling me to stop bringing the law?

>>171271056
You're out of inventory nigga

>>171271056
It means your inventory is nearing or is full. Trash some gear.

>>171269767
Dream Update (at this point in time) Part 3A: Gamemodes.
'These are subject to change and the rules may or may not be tweaked throughout the next few weeks'
New modes
>Battle Royale has been added, alongside Elimination and Skirmish.
>King Of The Hill has been added, alongside Duel and Brawl.
>Capture The Banner and Siege have been added, alongside Dominion.
>Free Roam has been added outside of the Faction War.
King Of The Hill
>Two combatants fight to the death in this attrition based mode, The winner is then fully healed as he awaits his next opponent, Up to 8 spectators can watch the battle between 2 combatants, Bet on who will win with Steel, Items, Crates or even XP, this takes place BEFORE the fight, not during, Spectators can chat and so on as the fight progresses, Spectators are then randomly selected to fight with their character, The person with the most wins after 20 minutes is the winner.
Battle Royale
>In this Free For All mode, 6 players enter the map, Here, there are no teams, the person to reach 20 kills or the person with the most kills at the end of 15 minutes wins.
Capture The Banner
>In this mode, Two teams attempt to capture the enemy team's flag and reach their own, The first team to 5 captures or the majority within 8 minutes wins.
Siege
>Attackers attempt to guide a Battering Ram to the Defending spawn, If Defenders contest the zone and kill off the soldiers moving the Ram, the Ram will move slower until more soldiers need to spawn to push the Ram, while contested, The Ram will be hit by Catapults, if the Ram is destroyed, The attackers lose, if the Ram reaches the gate, the Defenders lose.
Next part, Part 3B, Free Roam (in attempting to type it out I hit the 2000 char limit)

>>171270731
It's not when the fights are boring which all of them ever are playing as or against PK. It was a boring match with a boring win in those cases.

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>>171271056
law threshold near maximum

it's when your inventory is almost full, clear it out for salvage

>>171270970
Frankly I picked her up because I wanted to learn how to beat her, and now I know how she operates it's not even close to being as bad a matchup anymore with my other 2 characters.

People bitching and moaning about a character but not actually bothering to learn how to deal with it are on a total new level of retardation.

>>171270149
Berserker

>>171269171

Angry Marine?

>>171271189
>not learning how to deal
You deal with PK by parrying everything she throws out and blocking the zone. Unfortunately, she's the hardest to parry character in the game, but that's the only way you're ever going to get damage in.

>>171270462
I figure Orochi is balanced, its everything else that is imbalanced.

Because I can still occasionally kill the 'OP' characters with roach.

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>>171271302
sure bud sounds like a great idea

>>171271519
Which is why PKs are going to get nerfed to the floor, well below valk.

It would be cool if we got a fancy particle effect for when you parry a light. Similar to CGB. Because I honestly never realize that I've parried a light until I've already instinctively GB'd the guy, and then I lost my opportunity for a top heavy unless I'm near a wall.

>>171270731
>>171270778
I really don't understand why someone would pick a character simply because it's the best unless you're playing mostly 4v4. It's not like you're participating in tourneys (those babby tourneys can't even be considered real) and absolutely have to win. If you get enjoyment out of getting carried by your character, you're playing the wrong genre. Learning is where the real fun, long term fun is.

By the way, you're always going to win in a singleplayer game. You should try that out.

>>171271519
>That retarded messatsu slide in on that GB

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>>171271315

Yeah but his moveset is boring AF.

>tfw we'll never get general tozans move set for roach

>>171271645
That's just how guardbreaking works after a parry, since parrying knocks the enemy back. Every character in the game can do it if you time the GB properly.

>>171261763

Zerker vs Conq is basically just attempting to deflect any attacks that they do, and hope they don't play passive.
Warlord is the same only he's going to bash your fucking head in if you even try to throw lights his way.

>The only characters I really wanna play are the 3 vanguards
>Every order is constantly ASSASSIN ASSASSIN HYBRID IRREGULAR ASSASSIN IRREGULAR ASSASSIN

>>171271764
Leveling Warden is suffering because of this. I noticed today and yesterday were particularly bad actually.