Fighting Games General /fgg/

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What happened this time?

Well the most important thing is that you got to post the OP

https://www.catarse.me/trajes_fatais
Who hype

>>171255974
balance is restored

BIRDS FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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Ugh these Ryu "buffs" are ass. They changed nothing about him.
Why does Capcom want to gimp Ryu's mid range in favor for something up close? Literally everyone plays the UNGA game better than him.

Fighting Games are _________.

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Reminder not to play KI.

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>>171255985
FINALMENTE CANGACEIRO!

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>>171256127
Yes, whiny Ryu is back

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Cinder is like holding a fullscreen nuke at all times
how are all these characters so fun

>>171256369
>KI
>fun

pick one

>>171256459
haha nice one anon, what fighting games do YOU play?

>>171256504
Mahvel

>>171256146
separated into two categories, games that I like and shit.

>/blaz/ holding a tournament to support their game
What have you been doing for your scene?

>>171256369
I can't make it work personally but I would like to
I'll try using the guide now

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>>171255780
Play glasses.

>>171256727
I mean you light them on fire them pop instinct and play keepaway and their entire lifebar burns away
really fun

>>171256681
I've been furiously shitposting other games

>>171256792
Uh, that's not how it works.
Burnout only does potential damage, so you need to actually cash out the damage.
Makes for Cinder to have some scary one chance breaks.

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>>171256358
Fuck you. I won't stop complaining until Ryu gets the buffs be deserves. I hate to see the main man Daigo lose to some generic bison player because he literally has to eat shit and take stupid risks to get an opening and when he does he gets no momentum off the opening.

>>171256997
and I do
everytime

>>171257030
>streamboar angry over some dumb shit
move on folks

How shit is PC gaming in Japan? I heard it's because PC parts cost so much due to import costs.

>>171257056
If you Mahvel in KI, pick ARIA. She's pretty much an entire MvC team assists included

How do we fix fireballs in SFV?

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>Cinder and Cool Cat have the same voice actor
this is not ok

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77 days. Harada give demo pls
Unless it's digital pre-order only in which case I'd probably kms

""""""""""""""early 2017""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>game is already playable
classic

which is closer early march or early 2017

>>171257440
Nice twitter/Facebook post

Just make a twitter if you want this gay stream of conscious posting u fag

>>171257774
>grr stop posting about fighting games
see me in a game if you want it to stop

>>171257429
More push back

What if fireballs did white health and chip?

>>171256792
Yeah but I suck at playing keepaway, I really do
Last time I played such a character was, dunno, Possessed Kenshi on MKX?

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is there a cooler fighting game character than this?

>>171258347
he's got like a 6 way dash just play your opponent

>>171255780
Which fighting game character is that

how to play mugen online

>>171258579
Joey from the block

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You have pre-ordered multiple copies of Eliza's game, right?

>>171258579
looks like stinky kokoro
im not sure either tho

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Yamazki will be one of the next Tekken guest characters and will fight with the tuna.

anyone want to come over and play fighting games

>>171258351
rammy brown

>>171258694
r u gay because im a cute boi haha

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>>171258693
Would rather have Kazuma desu

>>171258706
I didnt like many of the character designs in GG when I first got it until I saw that gorgeous brown girl with big ass swords floating behind her. Ram for life. Zato cool too though, burn everyone else.

>>171258809
no but i never sucked a dick before haha

>>171258678
I'd get the PC version as well but I'd need a new PC to play it with so it'll have to wait for a while. Maybe next year.

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>>171258347
>Possessed Kenshi on MKX
coolest character

>>171258882
what if i suck yours haha lolo

Why is it impossible to find frame advantage for specials on-hit in 3S? Shouldn't this be really easy to find?

>>171258982
lmao im not gonna stop you hahaha

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_4GWnhHFg

>>171258982
>>171259076
whoops time to kill youselves

>>171258982
we can play fighters and the loser has to succ jajjaa

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i'm here to save fighting games

>>171259246
come on now max

>>171259246
Rock is shit in every game he's in. The only people who want him back are Max and people who can't play Geese.

>>171259441

he was decent in cvs2

i hope mvci plays exactly like sfxt minus the timeouts

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*blocks you're path*

>>171259819
wud fug desu

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*ignites your path*

>>171259702
I doubt you've played SFxT.

>>171259942
That looks retarded. The accessories should at least be on fire.

why are all the sfv character forums on srk all outdated? i just want some karin bnb's

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*AKUUUBAs your path*

>>171259942
what's the shit on his shoulders
did he steal a revenant's rocket launchers

>>171260138
would be fitting for the character

>>171260098
They realized SFV wasn't worth keeping updated.

>>171260098
you have to do a delayed 720+3p motion to update the forums
don't tell them I let you in

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*ends your path*

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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/capcom-says-marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-is-simplisti/1100-6448766/
>almost 4 months later and this is the only new news for MVC:I
what are they WAITING for

>>171260497
Legit not trying to start shit but Jago is so much cooler than Ryu

>>171260098
https://fullmeter.com/fatonline/#/combos/Karin

Is that updated? That's what I use for framedata at least.

>>171260615
both are whack.

>>171260615
Well it's either Japanese Karate hobo or Tibetan hobo monk with sword

>>171260098
>forums

look for a Karin discord and join it instead.

its 2017 senpai

>>171260634
i have no clue, but its better than nothing, thanks my man

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWZzHWRBEcU
Play KI
Also don't get one chanced by RAAM

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*Techs your path*

>>171260615
you've been smoking endokuken if you think you can even compare jago to ryu.

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who in the fuck greenlit this guys facial animations

anons why is it that the in game shading is different from the preview image of the costumes in the SF5 store?

>>171260792
i found it and im looking through it, its all videos though but whatever i guess

im not a fan of 2017 my man, video tutorials are not my thing

>>171260914
i've been endocucking ur dad faggot how bout dat

looking for guy to teach me to play ki mkx or mv (cute boi)

>>171260987
(Exert sounds)

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he looks like a fucking nutcracker

>>171260831
Do you have more fun matches
Any game, really
>>171260987
>>171261231
Yeah they're pretty bad

>>171261231
Still mad they haven't fixed his busted face. Gameplay's good tho.

>>171261379
>p-pls play my game

lol

>>171261338
https://youtu.be/wEFsY_g9_ws

>>171261379
Ugly characters with good gameplay are the worst
Though I don't know if I prefer them to the reverse

Figthing game announcers sound a bit bland these days. Which announcers do you miss?
I wish we had Alpha 3 guy and the MvC1 announcer back.
LET'S GO CRAZY

>>171261469
What game do you play anon?

>>171261472
RAAM'S an ugly bastard but I love that grappler gameplay.

>>171260831
>78% off a beefy character in 13 hits

KI busted af lmao

>>171261338
Well I got footage of a KI lobby a few months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZExfnR7IVU

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>>171260987
>Xbone graphics

>>171261606
Eyedol player had a fuckton of potential damage on him making that combo hurt that much more

Job interview in six hours. It's for a job I've waited years for and if I get it, I'll be set for life. Can buy whatever fighting game I want.
Wish me luck, /fgg/.

>>171261592
Yeah but RAAM is not like the badly designed/executed kinda ugly, or at least I don't see it that way

>>171260987
who the fuck greenlit those textures

>>171261124
my dad's dead thats so mean
i'll cuck you and endocook your fucking house down. faggot ki shill

>>171260987
They wanted diversity in form of a jarl called Olaf Crookjaw.

>>171261124
I seriously laughed so hard.

I'm such a fucking child

yo why wob't they let me choose a stage in killer instinct practice mode

i understand they are trying to cuck the feree users but i paid full price for this game

>>171262025
Practice only allows training room

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No, this is not an image of real life...Its Killer Instinct on the Personal Computer
I couldn't believe it either

>>171261826
GLHF

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Again, this is not a photograph of an actual norse man, It is merely a video game, I was shocked to find this out too

>>171261849
Those are called textures on low quality
>>171262025
There's only the training stage
But as a bonus, you can unlock old KI tracks to play in training as you level up as a player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0zVAsLG2I

>>171260634
>Is that updated?

Yup yup yup.
https://fullmeter.com/fatonline/#/home

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Stop getting hit with stupid shit
t.

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Stop mashing for now reason. There's a time and place for that.

>>171262530
>Stop mashing for now reason
>now
Dumb Tusk poster

>>171262414
>>171262530
2d is timeless

>>171262651
we need more blond hair blue eye portraits like this and that Guile one.

Kan-Ra is for high IQ only. Maybe that's why I can't play him at all.

what happened to capgodd?

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Bloody roar is violent holy shit
Did she died?

god bless dolphin for having such amazing netplay

>want to pick up sol as a side cause he seems kind of fun and seems easy
>character specific combos

man, how do people recommend this guy to new players?

>>171263695
just do like c.S, (2H,) j.D, divekick, dp/6P, 6H from any corner launch.

>>171263695
double dustloop wow so hard

>>171263695
cuz you don't need them vs anyone intermediate and below

>no switch T7 for me to play dress up and play with friends as a party game
>no 5 star rolls in Fire Emblem
>SF5 still the most popular game that people are tsundere over

is this rock bottom?

>someone is still pretending to be dank after he gave up his trip
Why?

>>171264798
>owning a switch

rock bottom indeed

>>171264798
Mobage is the purest form of kusoge. You deserve it all.

>>171261108
Karin has plenty of shit on the Srk forums that's still valid and works. If all you want is combos, go crazy on srk. Hers are easy and once you remember the basic juggle timings you can do whatever ya want

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Stop posting about KI

>>171259702
only 2012 had timeouts. SFxT rarely had timeouts because the damage is so high and if someone's in you're face, you're going to get opened up.
It being a marvel game means it will never ever play like sfxt

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>>171265721
I refuse

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>>171265721
No

>>171265721
i want KI shills to leave

>>171265848
This. Where are the sniffposters and Shit Flinger 5 players?

>>171265721
never

>>171265848
>>171265915
Anons this a fighting game general and KI is a fighting game

What's up with this Chaos Code game and why is everyone shilling it?

>>171256127
why did i know this reference

what am i doing with my life

>>171265978
no one gives a fuck about KI tho and we all know this. who are you even trying to fool get out

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>>171265721

>>171265848
>>171265987
DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHTING GAMES IN THE FIGHTING GAMES GENERAL
FUCKING SHILLS REEEEEEE

>>171265987
>why is everyone shilling it?
It got a PC port so it's getting its week of increased attention like Marvel, just wait it out.

>>171266101
You're right that no one gives a shit but I believe this game deserves the attention. This tribalism between different games is retarded.

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>>171266124
Rohan can't draw for shit

>>171262125
>>171261231
>>171260987

His classic looks better.

Is Alisa's chainsaw mode any good or is it just a gimmick?

Did they release patch notes for Rev2 yet?

>>171266556
it's ok when you have them backed up on the wall. it's got an extra evasive sidestep and a pretty neat low crush cross chop. but it's still generally gimmicky, yea. not a horribly unsafe/risky gimmick, though.

>>171266676
Jam got nerfed.

>>171265768
>only 2012 had timeouts

wrong

>>171266456
lol the lights looks like emojis

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>>171266808

>>171265768
>It being a marvel game means it will never ever play like sfxt

did you watch the gameplay trailers? it looks A LOT like TvC which has a lot of similarities with SFxT

>>171266920
Time outs were a lot less prevalent in 2013.

>>171267069
look it 1005k55k

>>171266937
omfg i didn't even knotice that. that's hilarious hahahh

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>>171266000
>why do I know this fighting game player reference when I browse the fighting game general

really makes u think

Who is best fighting game player here, in general of course

>>171267485
Me, of course.

>>171267485
meeeeeeeeeee

>>171267590
Yes

>>171267485
doug

Who here plays fighting games at a high level? How does it feel like? I don't think I'll ever get to that point, but i'll keep playing. I just want to know how it feels to play a game at a high level

>>171267485
me, doug

>>171266976
I lied but you know it's true.

>>171267691
I do.
S'alright.

>>171267691
i can see every pixel as pure information

>>171267691
i imagine it becomes more fun the better you get and the better your competition is

>>171267485
even our best players are pretty fuckin' worthless. i'll say anon

>>171267691
i did a 12 hit combo on mortal kombat so you might say i'm a bit of an expert

>>171267485
Me but not at SFV

What powers do you enjoy seeing in fighting games?

I always go for the characters with ice or time powers.

I played Wong in Psychic Force.

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Why are there no cute girls in the SF community

>>171268115
Flexibility/stretching powers for the ultimate sniff.

>>171268115
speed in exchange for being made of glass

>>171268145
you realize it's an act right? just watch how she hams it up for the camera. she's carving out her own niche.

>>171268354
Sshh don't pop his bubble

>>171268115
Grapplers with unique movement options or stuff like Tager where they can suck you in.

>>171268145
is tekken so easy a girl can be good? I'm incline to try T7

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>>171268354
who said anything about the act, she's just somewhat attractive

>>171268115
Telekinetic shit and arcane dickery

>>171268145
Kayane/Chocoblanka>*

>>171268508
>moon-headed gook with a face rounder than anything else on her body
>attractive

>>171268508
Damn Justin is transitioning too?

>>171268508
I want to cum all over her metal mouth!
Braces are cute!

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Which fighting games have characters that were born like this? Into this?

>>171268610
She's not talking about the person in the picture, anon

>>171269567
already woke, spared a joke, barely spoke, rarely smoke

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>>171268145
>

>>171270126
who is this semen demon?

>>171268115
electricity

the power of 50% combos

>>171270083
Rappers like a gay club strip tease

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>>171265721
Don't tell me what to do

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...

Anyone got that screencap of a scrub anon explaining why fighting games suck

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lupinko on SFV not being at this SAI event and likely not even at EVO Japan.

I don't see this game surviving for too long. Apparently it's Capcom US fault, since they own the IP and not Capcom Co. Ltd. Here is why Capcom Japan developers were complaining about Capcom US and its lack of communication.

>>171272323
This is so fucking embarassing.

Is the netcode for Chaos Code even any good?

>>171272323
the greedy jew controlled americans strike again

not to say the japs aint greedy either

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What fighting games actually have decent/good singleplayer stuff?

MK9, MKX and I've been told the Arcsys games?

>>171272323
>arcade only
>no smash
thank god

>>171272876
Capcom US is greedy but dumb (you can be greedy but you can try to obtain greed by actually offering good products, they don't even care to pull out a game with solid basic functions)

Capcom Japan isn't an angel too. They (or just the current SFV dev team, at least) have shown to be very incompetent, lazy and out of touch.

All of this suffering remind me of SFxTK's last days, which is no good at all for the franchise.

>>171272957
Mortal Kombat, Killer Instinct, Soul Calibur, Smash

>>171272957
That deer /u/?

>>171272323
An EVO event without overhyped, bad Capcom fighters?

Sign me in.

>>171273252
>KI
You can only do the SP with the characters you have unlocked right?
Not a big deal because of the rotation but you know

>>171273364
You can only choose unlocked characters as the party leader. You get to play as plenty of people in the mode. In the ShadowLab however, you can only create shadows of the characters you own.

>>171272957
Tekken

>>171272323
B-b-but SFV was made for the FGC!

>>171268145
KeikoQVQ is kawaii, but she's not great.

>>171268417
We need an entire set of Jam skins in xrd with a separate voice sfx each and her specials ate altered cosmetic wise.

Like each corresponding to a part of eastern Asia.

- Jam with Korean clothing and accent, any chinese part she says is Korean instead.
-Mongolian Jam
-Vietnam jam
-Japan jam(her japanese is extremely arctic)
Etc.

>>171272323
Its still going to survive in the US due to money. I wonder what the main game in JP will be come next year.

>>171272323
What stream will this be shown on?

>>171273641
Didn't mean to respond to you sorry.

>>171272323
>japan
Who cares. What are they gonna do when arcades die out there?

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What happened to gllty?

>>171273763
Arcades are still quite healthy in Japan. Maybe because they like portables and they are most of the time out of their houses, which is why they don't like home consoles and PC gaming too much.

>>171273779
Xe's going to eleauge.

>>171273763
arcades are pretty safe in japan, probably won't be dying anytime soon due to how their society operates

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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/capcom-says-marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-is-simplisti/1100-6448766/

>Speaking to GI.biz, Turner said Infinite is a "great introduction to the [fighting] genre as a whole." In addition to being more "simplistic," the game will be "technically easier to pick up and play." Turner added that Infinite will have a good chance of appealing to a wide audience because it will feature well-known characters from the Marvel universe such as Iron Man and Captain America.

This is a very terrible trend Capcom Japan is going with their fighting games.

When will they learn that casuals don't care about "accessibility" and just want to mash some buttons on single player story modes and arcade modes? This pleases NO ONE.

I was dumb for still trusting them. I looked at the dev team and I thought "Okay, they have far more competent people working on it. Maybe it'll turn out good". How foolish from my side.

What's the difference between xrd sign tutorial and xrd rev?

>>171274303
thats a good thing.

Gonna play in a small community JoJo tournament in a few weeks. I don't think anyone there will know how to play, myself included. What are some good low-effort high-reward strats against people who don't know what the fuck is going on?

>>171274303
What scares me the most is their idea of "accessibility". "Accessibility" can be reached in many ways and forms. Capcom's current idea of "accessibility" is just trash.

For them, "accessibility" means making games more limited and boring to play so that more people could get behind it. As you said, it pleases no one because hardcore gamers want depth and casuals just want solid package and a good amount of single player modes.

We already know that MvC:I has already less two-character teams rather than three-character teams. No matter how people will spin it to make it passable it's a form of limitation, a step back.

>>171274303
As someone who disliked the MvC series due to the entry barrier, I'm excited.

>>171274406
SIGN tutorial has everything, Rev tutorial has some and the rest is in the Missions

>>171274303
>>171274740
You forget that there is a middle ground of players between the casual players and the hardcore players.

The ones who mostly play Online Ranked who are not too strong on these games because of some artificial difficulties.

I think this range of players is what SFV and probably MvC:I will be aimed to. People who want to start with fighting games in a bigger manner than casual players but still don't have the knowledge and execution of better players.

>>171274740
Do you think that more characters objectively makes it a better game?
Would a 10v10mvc be even better for you?

>>171267691
It is... beyond the natural.

>>171275321
Haha yeah man I hate Juicebox too fuck that guy. His enthusiam and energetic approach to fighting games make me sick. Like get a job amiright? And his fat pig wife is no better. Damn both of them to the deepest depths of hell XD.

>>171273763
They already have cybercafés replacing arcades. They'll be fine.

>>171275030
If their intent is to actually help those players why don't just add more options so that those players have a good time with the games?

Dumbing the game down for everyone it's not a good solution.

>>171274303
>Capcom Japan
I don't think they have anything to do with fgs at this point.

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>>171275568
>more options
like what?

>MKXL october patch making it a decent fighter
>On the end of it's life cycle
>Just in time to lose all players to Injustice 2
Noone ITTs cares about MK but damn man, that's sad

>>171275490
Beat anon 2-0.
Beat trip 2-0.
This is your thread.

>>171274796
So what is better?

>>171275623
For example, KI gives you an option to cancel normals with specials by just pressing the button again rather than doing motion + button.

Advanced players won't use that because it has some cons like lower damage and minor combo potential so they'll just disable said option in the character select screen.

Capcom doesn't add options, they just make characters more limited for anyone.

>>171275827
capcom added shitty ez mode inputs in plenty of their games.
they are all shit though and nobody ever bothers with them.

thats not a solution at all.

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NO

NO

NOOOO!!!!

https://twitter.com/daigothebeast/status/842470726531608576

MY LIFE HAS NO MEANING NOW

>>171275938
I remember Devil May Cry 4 doing something like that and in fact it was a good choice.

They didn't do that in both SFIV and SFV. In SFV they just made the game easier and more bland for everyone.

>>171276049
they did it in all marvel games and its shit.
limited fucktard modes are bad, you just end up playing a crippled, worse game against everybody and pick up terrible muscle memory.

>>171257030
desu that bison was clean, Daigo should just switch to Guile but he won't

Who the fuck cares about that shit.

>>171267485
Probably pandas, guy is decent at everything. He also plays in an insanely annoying style in every fighting game.

>>171276110
It being a choice is what makes it a valid solution.

If you really suck at the game you can always turn that shit on (if you really don't want to learn the game), better players will prefer it disabled.

In any case, it's clear to me that Capcom is doing this "dumbing down" by design rather than by choice, which makes the game(s) less interesting in my eyes.

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>>171276047
R/KAPPA ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>171258952
pretty much a jojos character at this point

>>171276237
Its a choice that wont actually get people to play your game you dolt.

That shit doesnt help with player retention at all.
This is not what people ask for when they want games to not be lab monster garbage.

>>171276110
marvel already has magic series into air magic series. The only way I can see making it dumber is to actually make that optimal, so no one has to learn any different combos. And bad players would still keep losing

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>>171276259
I know
I fucking love it

>>171268115
the power to suplex

>>171275825
not sure, I only did the Rev tutorial but I hear the SIGN one is better

take that dump, super gold alex player

>>171276229
examples?

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>>171268115
Strong women, grapplers, non-shoto chars, fast paced gameplay and unusual stuff.

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Holy shit LowTierGod was in an All American Rejects video??

>>171276403
Those people will always complain about something not going in their favour and blame the game for their losses.

I'm failing to see how giving a fighting game an option to make execution easier is bad. If you really don't want to lab (how fucking dare you to learn a game, baka) just enable this option and you have a better time with it.

>>171276421
pretty much the main reason why I main him in MKX

trash at the game though

>>171271240
so MKX launch raiden

Not really feeling Kolin. It's like she's missing some juice and those snowflakes setups feel lacking. Getting a hard read with EX counter is fantastic though.

>>171273654
tekken

>>171276563
It was funnier in your head.

>>171276591
Because you wont have a better time with it because that sort of system is always extra bad.
And if you allow the easy input mode to be just as effective as regular play then you will piss off the nerds.

Commit to your design choices, dont make garbage modes that nobody will ever use.

SFV actually does it well. I see how much of a difference that design has in real life every single day.

>>171276657
I wish her animations weren't that shit. Everything looks so fucking stilted and unnatural, in particular her kicks and forward dash.

>>171276549
He does stuff like slides the second you inch forward or does stuff that's hard in general to react to online. He likes to frustrate you with stuff and abuses his options (especially since it's an online setting) really well. Annoying to play against but he's good.

>>171276828
At least the back walk animation is great. But yeah, this character feels incomplete and rushed somehow. The soul of SFV.

>>171276778
>Commit to your design choices, dont make garbage modes that nobody will ever use.

Yeah, just make the whole game garbage. Great idea.

>>171276828
her kicks look like they're in slow motion

>>171273205
>All of this suffering remind me of SFxTK's last days, which is no good at all for the franchise.
But it is excellent for the genre and scene.

>>171276914
Not an argument.
Especially not because you are defending literal garbage games like MVC.

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>>171276613
Ditto
But recently I beat a guy with a 54% winrate over 5000 games, felt so good
Pic related

>>171276980
I wasn't the other guy and i don't even like marvel. But just making everything simpler and more shallow for a bigger audience is not the way to make good games.

>>171277065
I disagree. Fighting games needed a return to original form for a while.

And honestly I think that fucktards like you who think that execution requirements somehow add depth to a game need to fuck off.

>>171277149
what do you mean return to original form

like what state would you like to see the genre returned to

>>171277235
mvc1

t. different

>>171276778
>And if you allow the easy input mode to be just as effective as regular play then you will piss off the nerds.
This is exactly where balancing of these options come in play.

They'll make execution easier for everyone but they also come with downsides, so that people who want to learn the "regular" game don't feel like they are wasting their time solely because they are learning the game how it's supposed to be played.

KI does this pretty good. Some anime fighters like Persona 4 Arena have an Auto mode which is also pretty well done. Same for GGXrd with the Stylish Mode.
I'm not even a fan of anime fighters but it's undeniable that their attempt at it is so much better than Capcom's forceful attempt at striving the game down for everyone.

>>171276980
That guy wasn't me and I'm not even that big on Marvel. I'm just commentating and questioning Capcom's direction when it comes to accessibility.

>>171276695
Are you saying he doesn't?

>>171277235
Reverting MVC2 and 3 faggotry to MVC1.
Make SF more like SF2 rather than 4 and we already got that.
Go away from the really stupid bloated grind heavy design games like GG suffer from and go back to actually making games people play again.

Other devs are realizing it too with shit like KoF14 which isnt nearly as fucked as 13.

I am actually really satisfied with fighting games this gen because they are cutting out a lot of the dumb shit.

>>171277149
>Fighting games needed a return to original form for a while

Okay, you never actually played fighting games. No need to continue this discussion with memers who watch fighting games from Twitch or Youtube and pretend like they are playing them.

>>171277408
>Make SF more like SF2 rather than 4 and we already got that

If you think SFV is anywhere as close as SF2 you should just shut the fuck up.

>>171277408
don't those games you want to return to have higher execution requirements for simple things?

I think I'm misunderstanding you

>>171277296
Balance will never work out. People will get fucked playing the retard mode so they dont play it. Or they play it and never actually properly learn the game because of the dumb crutches.

Might as well learn a game that is built from the ground up around what you want. Thats another reason why nobody bothers with shit like GG.

And you're a retard, Capcom did stylish mode first.
Nobody uses it in either games.

>>171277421
eat shit retard

So how many of you are black?

>>171277517
LOL
but I'd like to know too

>>171277149
>>171277408
t. The Lone Dragon.

>>171277408
>more like SF2
I really enjoy prejump frames with no throw invul, random damage and stun, 50% chance of failing super cancels, unblockable tatsus, renda cancels, throw softening killing you, 1f reversal timing, and all of its other fuckery.

Fighting games are getting easier and easier to appeal to the esports audience. Just move on accept it.

>>171277517
>>171277571
newshits

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>>171277149

>>171277408
>Make SF more like SF2

Continue proving yourself a streamboar.

This discussion is over.

>>171277617
shut up son, I bet you DP on wake up every time

>>171277493
Not really. Execution wise MVC2 and 3 can get way more ridiculous than the games that precede it.
Something like ST has really fucking easy execution for most bnbs. The special input shortcuts dont exist, but thats about it.
The special shortcuts in SF games are actually double edged faggotry, because while they make some moves easier, it also means that your shit can backfire if your inputs overlap for specific moves.

>>171277468
Man you dont even know how similar the games are when it comes to the general approach.
You probably think that they are all different because you dont have a sagat with retard shots in V.

>>171277514
>fatfeels is still up

>>171277635
You can eat shit too desu.

>>171277571
Like i'm not trying to be racist or LOLOLOL /pol/, I'm genuinely curious as it seems like a lot of the better american players are black, and when i go to locals and even with my friends the best players are either black or part black and thinking back it's been like this for over two decades

>>171277617
lol

>>171277668
>>171277719
real answer: theres probably 5 or less black regulars here now
if you had been here over 3 years ago, the thread was more like 30% black.

>>171277517
Why does it matter?

>>171277683
dashes requiring 3 buttons alone makes mvc1 at a basic level much more frustrating for newer players

1 frame reversals on top of stricter input reading make waking up a nightmare for new players in st, especially since so many character will pretty much kill you landing a cross up

>>171277683
>Man you dont even know how similar the games are when it comes to the general approach.
ST doesn't even play in the same realm as V. The general approach is nothing similar.

>The special input shortcuts dont exist, but thats about it.
How about breaking your stick just to escape throws

>>171277807
see >>171277719

>>171277795
Ah, what changed (if you know or have an idea)?

>>171277809
three button dashes are probably only an issue for pad players. dont see how its a problem for anybody on stick where you just have to put your hand down.

1f reversals are tough, but I really dont see regular special inputs as a problem, and never did.
I do see the input shortcuts as a problem though.
When playing SFV or 4 I have a buddy who tends to mash out a super instead of a dp or hadoken even because its way too fucking lenient, so in a way you gotta be more precise and less mashy (unless you dont care about what comes out which is retarded)
That doesnt really happen in ST.

Input shortcuts bothered me for a while and it annoys me that they never put in a toggle for those.

Whats a much bigger issue execution wise in general is stuff that requires many really precise button presses and rhythms. 1f links, SFA juggles, charge partitioning, tandem combos if you're willing to dip into silly Jojos stuff, that type of shit.

>>171277683
Can you tell me how SF2 is similar to V in terms of "general approach."

>>171278054
>three button dashes are probably only an issue for pad players. dont see how its a problem for anybody on stick where you just have to put your hand down.

You've never played the game.

>Whats a much bigger issue execution wise in general is stuff that requires many really precise button presses and rhythms. 1f links, SFA juggles, charge partitioning, tandem combos if you're willing to dip into silly Jojos stuff, that type of shit.

I specifically avoided mentioning this kind of stuff because reducing execution barriers should be about letting newer and more inexperienced players play the base game. Basic gameplay elements like dashes and reversals being difficult would fall into this category.

Everything you just mentioned are tools for much higher levels of gameplay than what matter to newplayers/casuals. These are much more optional gameplay elements.

>>171278081
Big damage, fast rounds, short combos, extremely momentum heavy.

People bitch about jumpins in SFV hitting too hard, in ST they kill you.

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Things that make a good fighting game:
>Character Design
>Art style/Visuals
>Sound direction
>Cool/Impactful special moves/char mechanics
>A deep but easy to get in gameplay
>Dynamic/"fast" gameplay
>Balanced enough to make all tiers playable
>not too much nasty shit like infinite combos

>>171278216
>People bitch about jumpins in SFV hitting too hard

People bitch about that because anti-airs in V are, across the board, fucking garbage.

>>171278216
>Big damage, fast rounds

Same duration as in IV on average.

>>171278216
>Big damage, fast rounds, short combos, extremely momentum heavy
This also describes games like Vampire Savior and King of Fighters, but that doesn't mean these games are at all similar.

This is not a design philosophy which is what I assumed you meant by "general approach."

>>171278216
Think about how bad of an idea it is to jump in on someone in ST.

Or any other SF2 game if you want a much much more extreme example.

>>171277984
yuros flooded in when there was frequent steam sales for sf4 and after every evo. before it was about a 9/1 america to europe ratio. now its close to a 50/50 split.
the post-evo thing also applies generally to anyone, not just yuros. other than that idk the oldfags just stopped browsing.
at the time this was easily the most diverse thread on 4chan outside of /int/

>>171278276
No they bitch about the damage gained from a jumpin being much higher than the damage you get from an anti air.

>>171278291
That is not true.

>>171278325
It is most definitely a design philosophy that you build your game around. The games arent truly similar, but they definitely got things in common.
Airdashers and KoF games got perverted into something much more shitty over the years when you look at stuff like BB or KoF13.

if mvci is coming out this year we will probably get a beta in the summer or fall

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>>171278393
Except for 3s

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>>171278450
>No they bitch about the damage gained from a jumpin being much higher than the damage you get from an anti air.

Yeah and anti-airs being unreliable. That's what's meant with them being garbage.

>>171278491
What does 3s have to do with anything I said?

People's opinions on AA in SFV are always so divisive.

You either hear they are too good (AA jabs) or too weak. There isn't an agreement on the matter.

>>171278509
No, people bitch about the damage you get out of anti airs.
AA jabs that snipe anything out of the sky and lead to 50/50 mixups werent good enough for them.

>>171278450
>That is not true.

Can be proven factually. Take top 8 of a SFV tournament vs top 8 of a USFIV tournament and count round duration. It's roughly the same overall.

Let's just say that if you think jabs that lead to 50/50s should be your go to anti airs in a Street Fighter game you're retarded.

>Final Burn Alpha will never update to support Namco System 12 cabs, GGPO and Fightcade will never update to support the latest releases of FBA, and you will never be able to play Tekken 3 and Soul Calibur online over FC

I hate this world

>>171278705
nice argument

>>171278705
>jabs that lead to 50/50s

Why wouldn't that be your go-to AA?
That sounds like a really good position to be in.

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>>171278743
>no tekken 3
>no sc
>no bloody roar
>no CvS2
>no MvC2
>no GGPO
Fuck this gay earth.

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Play Skullgirls

>>171278767
You can read the same sentiment in every recent developer commentary, Capcom is just also incompetent as fuck.

>>171278842
nice argument

>>171278570
That's because people don't want AA jabs. They just want some good anti airs that do a decent amount of damage, not a brainless anti air button that does no damage but transforms the reward of anti airing into a mixup.

>>171278828
>>171278743
make it yourselves faggots stop whining

>>171278828
>implying you'd play any of those after 5 minutes

>>171278949
Makes no sense to me. Jabs are definitely decent and the damage you can get out of 50/50s is certainly rewarding.
Technically AAs are better than ever.

AA jabs are high risk, low reward

why the fuck would you even bother, just fucking block

>>171279009
Anti airing should not be a mixup in street fighter.

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>>171278951
If i had the knowledge, i'm not a chink y'know?

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>>171279013
>AA jabs are high risk, low reward
>3f moves with stupid hitboxes that lead to mixups are high risk, low reward

>>171278602
People complain about jump-in damage BECAUSE antiairs suck in general.

>>171279050
Why not?
Why should all street fighters be homogenized together?

>>171279050
says who

>>171277408
>Go away from the really stupid bloated grind heavy design games like GG suffer from
then just play UNIEL or Melty
3 buttons, 1 buttons for barrier/air dash/cancel, easy to understand mechanics and you get relatively easy to play shit for casuals (Smart steer) and extended combos for more dedicated players

>>171279070
they are pretty good though.

>>171279117
That's very funny when you're asking for characters to get omogenized jab AA into mixup

>>171279167
>then just play *insert dead anime kusoge*

>>171279190
Nobody is asking for that though. Tons of characters rely on other AA options.

>>171278602
>>171279050
>>171279009
Who even has aa jabs at this point, Necalli and Karin?
Necalli's should go but I guess Karin needs it, she has no other meterless AA.

>>171279013
High risk, low reward are heavy buttons AA.