AGDG - Amateur Game Dev General

first for stop using anything i dont like

What if I don't eat my agdg's?

C was a mistake
ML was robbed

What engine should I use if I want to make browser games? Or should I write it in pure javascript?

>>171174891
phaser.io
https://github.com/showcases/javascript-game-engines
raw js
https://html5gameengine.com/
>unity
>gm
godot?
flash (don't do this)
haxe

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so what should i name this guy? i'm drawing a blank.
i'll probably be sticking with the box people until all the combat and movement is done

>>171174891
JS libraries for game dev:
Phaser
Easel

As I heard Construct also outputs to HTML games.

>>171175053
>godot?
Godot HTML export is not ready, so no

>>171175225
shit forgot the trip again

>>171174891
if you're making a ".io game" with multiplayer, you should probably js + a fast networking library. socket.io was what to use last i checked.

>>171174891
SDL + emscripten

>>171175104
He looks like a James to me.

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Kankers down

>>171175104
>>171175452
Is he going to remain cubes?

How about...
Lanky James

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After the DD13 feedback I started the overhaul on the Burst system.

Before you had to not get hit for a pretty long time to build the gauge and be able to fire it once. Now you can fire it at any time by holding the Burst button but it drains the gauge while active.

The beam itself both does large damage and grazes enemy 'bullets' adding a huge score multiplier. As the Burst gauge goes down though you see that you lose black flames which attack with you during normal shots.

The balance is to use Burst when you need big damage or when you are trying to capitalize on large groups of enemy 'bullets' for score and keeping enough Burst in your gauge so you don't leave yourself completely naked offensively. Burst goes up naturally while using normal shot and goes up 2-3x that when using Special (the red shot and portrait face change).
Another note is that the lower the Burst gauge the less damage and less score the beam rewards.
The blue flame with your battle sprite is only an indicator that you are at a threshold in which the Burst beam is at max damage and graze multiplier.
As a side note I am considering changing the 5.0/4.0 burst gauge from numbers to a graphic of some kind so it is visually easier to quickly read (though in a way the black flames around your battle sprite act in a similar, if not minor, way)

Lore as a character has become easier to pick up now but the skill ceiling has risen considerably. To counteract this I have labeled her as Advanced in the character select screen and am working to implement the second character, Sana, who is labeled Novice.
She is faster, has a wide shot and super simple scoring/play mechanics. Sana will also have a smaller hit box and other defensive advantages like "auto-bomb".

The feedback has been great but it will be a long, hard road to implement even half of it. Making some more tea now to get back to work. thank you, hexun, for the advice on making webms

>>171175994
lol why

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Fixing up main menu, almost ready for demo

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Can anyone here help with Blender UV texturing? See the webm.

Last night, I unwrapped 3-4 objects with "Smart UV Project", then painted them using the UV editor, everything going smoothly. Then I reloaded the file the next day, and the objects are no longer textured, and when I move them in the UV editor, they're not even connected anymore (i was using island select at the end of the webm).

I was following this tutorial exactly (forward to 17:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WBLj1Y8fBA

>>171176103
Cool.

Logo looks a lot better when it's small... Perhaps just because I don't like the logo. It looks fine there, though.

>field for default text value in unreal has trouble understanding the concept of line breaks
>end up taking the string just before displaying and changing all "\n"'s with new lines

I sometimes hate that engine.

Making an Adult Visual Novel. What will make it successful?

>>171176319
actually being good, plus:
luck
previously existing fanbase
excellent advertising

>>171176319

Fur

>>171176319
Define successfull.

>>171176319
>asking a channel full of literally whos what it takes to be successful
>implying if they were successful they'd even know how they got that way

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Sometime around 6 months ago, someone posted a list of the things that an indie game needs to be massively successful. Among the list were:
>animal/furry characters
>easy "highbrow" references, such as greek mythology or 19th century literature


Does anyone have the full list?

>>171174654
Use F#.

>>171176645
>animal/furry characters
fuck off furry shill, nobody wants your sick fetish

>>171176797
I believe they were referring to cave story, undertale, or animal crossing level anthros.

>>171176745
Dunno how many lizard/goblin kin fans there are

>>171176745
found it:

I have boiled it down, I have added these aspects to my game to ensure commercial success:
>waifus
>easy "highbrow" references to make people feel clever
>easily meme-able content
>meta-plots
>bait n' switch endings, again to make people feel smug when they get it and others don't
>upgrade trees (this is really important for some reason)
>"quirky" characters

What am I missing?

and a reply:

>both low and highbrow philosophy references to make players feel smart
>a fuck ton of shilling
>memes
>cute charaters/waifus
>memorable villians? (not sure if that counts because no boss fighters)
>no really a fuck ton of shilling

>>171177042
laughable list

>>171177042
this is the nu-devs guide to failure.

>>171176026
Nice work anon! Looking forward to see more of this. What are devving on?

>>171177137
>>171177141
let's see yours

>>171177153
Thank you! I am using GM:S (even for the art).

>>171177042
>upgrade trees
Undertale doesn't have that and it became the king of shitty obsessive fandoms

>>171177042
I like how the list doesn't even really touch gameplay lmao

>>171177182
> a definitive & vague list for a massive medium which guarantees success

I love that the counter-culture escape from AAA shit is now trying to be as formulaic as capeshit.

Indie devs truly were an irredeemable mistake.

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>>171176745
>>171177042
reminder not to come up with your idea of what works based on success correlation.
2 popular games having X is not a pattern.

>>171177042
>conflating "good game" with "good for grabbing as many players as possible"
>not even optimizing for either

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>>171175104
Should call him "Blank"

>>171177264
Gameplay doesn't matter.

>>171177234
I see. The burst looks good, but don't you think the shot nerf is a bit too punishing?
Usually the punishment for using special weapons for score is, that you can't use them for survival moments anymore, like cancelling bullets on a boss for example.

I personally find it a bit boring when your shot is always so damn weak in shmups. It's more fun when having decent firepower.

>>171177458
black gameplay matters

>>171177647
>gogem "be more like no man's sky" pro

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>>171177638
Yes I agree! I accounted for this with the soon to be implemented Novice character, Sana. She uses the same resource for 'bombing (no damage just wipes bullets)' as well as burst for damage and score. She also never loses her flames for attacking so she is always at her theoretical max normal shot! Since she doesn't have a burst gauge she uses her Special to refill her 'bomb' charges so with some skill you can be continually firing burst or wiping bullets (bombing, called moth dust here, has its own scoring mechanic which ties to the chain meter). She also auto-bombs when taking a hit if she has a charge left so she is probably going to be popular for beginners/more casual players.

Lore will remain the advanced character as she is going to have the highest score potential out of both moths.

>>171177775
did the marketing on NMS not work?

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I give up.

>>171178031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5p1_hR2Ws

>>171177868
>Lore will remain the advanced character
That's cool, but people playing for score also want to have fun.

It's just my personal opinion, but heavily nerfing the shot in shmups is never a good punishment, because it just makes the game more boring. There are better ways to make things more difficult than nerfing your firepower drastically.

>>171178031
More space for my game in the market

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>>171177971
>did the scamming not work
oh it did
good luck to Sean Murray to ever release another game though

>>171178173
Noted! I have found myself having fun with the new overhaul but it will of course have to come down to getting it into people's hands for testing for feedback. I am still messing with it and nothing is absolutely set in stone.

You can safely fire the Burst as Lore until you lose the first black flame. If you let up you can get that lost flame back in under 4 seconds. Her play will come down to keeping a balance of you needing/wanting damage or wanting to seize a scoring opportunity and you keeping yourself at a level of power you feel comfortable with.

In the webm I posted I stopped firing the first time after I lost the first black flame. With enemies on screen I could be back up to max in probably 15-20 seconds if I really wanted it.

>>171178353
adopt pen name / release through someone else

problem solved

>>171178353
>scamming
everytime he was asked about something people wanted but wasn't in the game he gave a nervous laugh and a non-answer.... you could say the reason he didnt outright say the thing wasnt going to be in it was scamming.... or you can say it was an in-development game and while that thing wasn't in it and possibly not even planned the fact people wanted it made him not shut it down because they might try to put it in.
in either case you're a fucking retard for not taking that nervous laugh and non-answer from him the same way you would take it from a politician.

>>171178459
>With enemies on screen I could be back up to max in probably 15-20 seconds if I really wanted it.
I see! Ok, this sounds pretty reasonable then. I was expecting it to take longer to recharge the black flames, but if it's only 4 seconds per flame, then that's ok.

>>171178576
me?
fuck you I never bought it
I'm talking about million who did

>>171178534
>adopt pen name / release through someone else
The story is too good, he'd be fucked in a large studio. And no matter how many shell companies he funnels through. Some autist will dig deep enough.

Maybe that will teach some shitters not to attempt to sell shit.

Im still surprused he came out and said he still wants to do proc gen though

>>171178625
I really do hope it feels nice when I am done. I am aiming to get two characters (Lore and Sana), two full stages (intro and verse 02) and 3 difficulties per stage ready by the next demo day. I will be further along passed stage 2 by then but not graphically and I don't think anyone really wants to fly through a grey screen shooting at boxes so those stages (3/4/5/6/EX1/EX2) will have to wait til much later to be played.

>>171178961
I'm sure you will be able to make it anon. Just take your time.
Also, have you considered adding some particles to the game to pop up the graphics a bit
Particle Designer for GM is really neat.

>>171179162
There is still so much I have to learn about GM as it is. Understanding particles and stuff would probably go a long way to making it look better for sure. Currently my only use of surfaces is the pause screen and I am unsure of how I would go about manipulating surfaces to make effects I want. I figure though if I want it bad enough I will find a way ("Anything worth having is worth fighting for").

Hopefully I can learn about these things as I continue to dev and then can go back and implement/tweak prior stages and fights but I do not think I can let myself stop everything to try and learn them even though I really want to.

none of you will ever make it. why are you even trying?

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>>171178576
multiplayer was the last fucking thing I cared about
faggot wasn't laughing nervously when he showed fucking alien Jurasic park in space and then gave people goofy abominations who make same three noises and walk in fucking circles

faggot wasn't laughing nervously when he described the crafting system and role of elements, then made people literally blow up fucking rocks every 2 minutes to fucking stay alive, because his """"crafting""""" system is nonexistent and inventory is fucking shit

faggot wasn't laughing when he showed a huge space battle and even said you will be able to pick a side and join the galactic war, then scrapped absolutely EVERYTHING about it except three big ships jumping to planet's orbit at random and doing fucking nothing

Are things like skies and lighting best made in software like Blender? Or should it be left to the game engine?

>>171179420
>implying he was recording saying any of those things
just because you saw some footage of it doesnt mean it was a promised thing BAKA

>>171179568
>defending no man's sky
You really are the biggest idiot in these threads.

>>171179394
Particle Designer is really easy to use. You can create effects randomly per click, and then alter a few numbers like velocity, size, gravity, etc and see it in real time on a preview screen. Then you just click another button and the program spits out a GML code for you and you are pretty much done.

It's really good, and worth a try if you want to work on the graphics a bit.

>>171179568
fuck you goofgem you are enough reason to rangeban whole fucking Australia

>>171179629
no man's sky is the perfect game for AGDG
you accomplish nothing and hate every second of it

>>171179727
and you're the biggest moron.

>>171179727
I suppose you would know, being an expert at that.

>>171179642
Thank you for the information! I will definitely be looking into this a bit later as I want to make my project as nice as possible visually.

Thank you for the conversation, anon! I must go make some food real quick and then get a couple of hours of sleep now (I am getting 3 1/2 to 4 hours per day). Have a good one and happy devving!

>>171179397
I feel that when I release my game many players will like it and I will make it.

>>171179727
>you accomplish nothing and hate every second of it
sounds like you

where's those two faggots from the discord collab yesterday?
Goddamned fuck doesn't hand out permanent invites

>>171179904
Bullshit. googs loves it

>>171179937
>i am too dumb to search discordd invite
stay dumb, fag.

>>171179937
Perhaps they are trolling you

>>171179937
here's a link:

https://discord.gg/PWqthJK

>>171179478
game engine

>no one realized the shitter pretending to be gugs forgot to remove the name on one of his posts

>>171180017
I only got discord the other day, don't understand shit of this stupid thing.

>>171180046
not that one

>>171180046
I like wojak and all but I'm not very keen on making a meme game

>>171180110
Are you sure they aren't trolling you by posting expired invites to random channels?

>>171180203
Yes.

>>171178878
If it takes autism to dig enough people won't know until it's too late

What does /agdg/ think of Substance Painter 2, Substance Designer 6 and Bitmap2Material 3? Is this pack worth it?

http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/2800/

Do all three offer anything that Photoshop doesn't? Do they offer better value for money than Photoshop?

>>171180425
It doesnt matter anyway, seems like Sony have them by the neck to keep churning out updates considering the probable millions they dumped into shilling for him.

>>171180513
I don't know mate but i pirate all of them.

no man's sky is a great game, none of you will ever make a game as good

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Today I made snake for a STM32F407 microcontroller that is played using a keypad and a small LCD display

Take that idea guys, big bux coming once I get my kickstarter up

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Do you think a game truly needs "hooks" to be successful?

>>171180556
Which means you will face a lawsuit if you ever see success (let's be honest, it'll never happen).

>>171180780
What, literal hooks? Like, made of metal and shit?

>>171180780
Ass and tits are enough

>>171180780
and lots of jews

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Time to sell out. Wish me luck.

don't you hate dialogue that highlights feitshes in artificial ways

>>171181026
Godspeed, Daco2

>>171181115
(*゜▽゜ノノ゛

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>>171180739
can't wait to pay for a game I played 17 years ago on my first cell phone

>>171180780
Stop reading all those pretentious "how to make successful game" articles.

Here's some wisdom: humans are interested in novelty and understanding things that are within reach of their mental capabilities - more of the exact same does not do it for us.

In simpler terms - if somebody is teaching you a formula on what makes a good game, they probably used it already, and since they did its novelty and in turn quality is reduced.

Make shit that's not available in tutorials.

>>171181264
i gonna make fuck-your-mom game and with original dialog

>>171181236
Wait a minute so are you saying people wouldn't be willing to spend $40 for the MCU and then the same amount for the peripherals to play my game?

>>171181026
Put your undies on you fucks

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>>171181264
>Here's some wisdom: humans are interested in novelty and understanding things that are within reach of their mental capabilities - more of the exact same does not do it for us.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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im making some headway on the title screen for jamos: paint attack

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>>171181264
hahahahahahaha

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>>171181264
pfffffffff

>>171182267
honestly youre proving his point
ASSCREED - we like this
ASSCREED AGAIN - we like this less
ASSCREED A DIFFERENT PLACE - oh! something im pretty sure i like but with a novelty!
and so now every asscreed is in a different place.

>>171182009
>>171182267
>>171182353
These are actually good examples for my case:

Every single one of those add some very slightly different new things - location, sound effects, occasionally even mechanics. The keyword here is 'slightly' mentioned 'mental capabilities' - it's much easier for children and casual gamers to move on to the new games and enjoy them due to the slight modifications. If the changes were too significant they would be overwhelmed in terms of new concepts they have to grasp and not like the game as a result.

It's a balance of what's too easy and too hard to learn and AAA converged into a state where minimal changes yield the largest profit.

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Just posting progress. Been a few months since I worked on this

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>>171182389
>>171182398
>you can milk people for decades with same fucking game if you update graphics and change location
>novelty kids!

go fuck yourself
be glad Mario franchise is way too fucking big to bother making a picture of

>>171182479
Literally the first time I see isometric projection and I don't find it absolutely disgusting.
I guess the minimally small pixelart is what does it.

Font is too small with the outline, though. Also mixels

>>171180739
Impressive.

>>171182576
The UI should be the only thing that has mixels and its a concession I'm willing to make seeing as 'fuck UI work for a game this simple'

okay agdg, what character personifies shitty things like hipsters or windows 8 metro ui or tablets instead of desktops or new shittier instead of older more sensible

i need some guy that can represent the palettes in paint attack

>>171182835
I'm going to just go with steve jobs and ballmer holding each others hands with hearts floating above it like gay lovers unless someone has a better suggestion in the next 5 minutes

>>171182479
Fix your pixel grid nigga. Those sprites are jittering all over the place when the camera moves.

Looks good otherwise.

>tfw want to make a game
>tfw literally no one except for you is probably gonna be interested in playing it
Is it even worth to make something that only I will ever play
that seems to defeat the purpose of creativity

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>>171183008
fucking love when people do this shit

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>he makes 3d games
If only you actually had any talent

>>171183008
If you care about it, there will be other people who will as long as your execution is good.

Infiniminer was an obscure little shit that only 3 people cared about until Notch took it and made it the most popular computer videogame of all time.

>>171183008
Do you understand the concept of "mental masturbation"

How much more powerful are 3DS Max and Maya compared to Blender?

Also where does Modo fit in? I've heard people say Modo is far better than Maya.

>>171181026
Are you that guy that made furry egyptian shit?

>>171183008
No one is going to make a game that properly caters to my fetishes unless I do it. I don't care if anyone else plays it.

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Iin UE4, are Timers accurate without using world delta seconds ?
I've got a timer by function that triggers a shooting function, but looking at it with an orthographic view, it's not consistant, which means something is up.
I've changed everything to run off timers beforehand which is why I'm confused about it.
Pic related is what it looks like, second row is just the first row pasted over to show the slight discrepancy.

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People constantly ask to see my work when I offer, is tumblr account a good idea?

>>171183494
Your family is not using the interwebz, so why bother?

>>171183321
Correct. Money from selling out will go towards completion of that.

>>171180868

Nah. More like specific things (gameplay mechanics, thematics, whatever) that would serve to hook people to your game.

>>171181264
I didn't really read any article, I was just wondering if that sentiment was common here. Not that it matters, as most here have not released any games yet.

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>>171183547
I wish.
Mom and sister are still sending me FB invites for stupid shit
I literally don't even use the fucking thing.

>>171183525
They seem hesistant, is the player character gross?

>>171183787
he's too strong

>>171183787
I think they might be racist

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>>171183146
should have done that earlier goodbye faggot

>>171183787
na he is gay

>>171183898
I can fap to this

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>>171183146
>>171183898
fuck wrong pic but no matter

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>>171182901
>>171182835
okay here is my title screen of my game

>>171183990
Why don't you filter all ">he makes" type of posts

>>171183990
>no explicit filtering
get it together m8

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>>171183990
whoa fucking savage dude, you sure showed him
he will know not to mess with you from now on

>>171183990
typical 3d faggot. Stay mad nodev

>>171175104
anon, I hope you get rich off this game. if it doesn't succeed then it means God is dead and Lucifer has assumed the throne

3D is objectively better than 2D though.

2D is for people with no hope of achieving success unless they're extremely good at drawing or already have a following. 3D is far more flexible with regard to skill level; a simple, easy to make aesthetic is infinitely more appealing than the 872634th 8/16bit pixelgarbage.

>>171176197
thanks. ill be touching up the logo over the next months before release.

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>>171183990
>s(he) c(m)akes 3d r(g)ame filters

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>>171184151
>>171184175
>ass ravaged nodevs crying because they get filtered

>>171184384
2D can be good for beginners though. It's a lot easier to make when keeping it simple, compared to 3D.

width()
width(int)

vs

getWidth()
setWidth(int)

>>171184384
t. 3d nodev

>>171183787
reminds me of dinasty warriors

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>>171184465
you fucking announced it to the world like some kind of achievement, as if anyone gives a shit
just how sad of a existence do you live?

>>171184465
see
>>171184510
before being this kind of mad

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>2D vs 3D
why not both, familia? pic-related

>>171184590
you sure are showing him how much of a shit you don't give with that post

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Finally I have something almost playable

>>171184627
Heresy

>>171184507
first, do you hate yourself?
better yet use a language with properties

>>171184498
Not really. Did you ever try learning 3D modeling? The basics are really easy to master.

>>171184510
You're right, I'm still learning.

Even then, I have a much better chance of making something worthwhile than idiots like yourself, who are stuck between making their shitty 8bit no-hope game and shitposting about other artforms in this thread.

>>171184630
I don't give a shit about him filtering some obnoxious phrase, I give a shit about him begging for acknowledgement for it.

>>171184627
Doing something like Xrd probably requires a lot of knowledge on both 2D and 3D.
It's also really good looking.

>>171184627
That's 3D.

Anime artstyle =/= 2D.

>>171184725
Yes but that's beside the point and doesn't answer my question. I guess I will just use both intermitently

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>>171184726
>wasting years in order to reach a dead end
Keep working on that 3D game, Im sure you're gonna make it LOL

>>171184726
>Did you ever try learning 3D modeling? The basics are really easy to master.
I already played around a bit with sulptris and blender, yes.
It's basically like comparing drawing to sculpting.
Sculpting is a lot harder of course, because you don't just have to draw in 2d, but actually also in 3d. This takes much more time.

2D only becomes harder when you want to make a lot of animations.

>>171184758
is there any practical difference in that distinction or it's just an idealistic one?

>>171184838
Choose one and be consistent. getWidth has the advantage of letting you call the field "width" instead of "_width" or whatever. it's also SLIGHTLY more descriptive, since it's a verb name for a function. it's standard style in languages that require getters and setters.

width() has the advantage of brevity.

>>171184919
I guess you do have to be an idealist if you think showing people you filtered their phrase will make them behave or something.

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>>171184786
how would you classify pic-related

>>171184857
That's a retarded and irrelevant comparaison. The difficulty is related to the amount of details, not to the number of dimensions.

>>171185025
what i'm asking is whether your behavior would be any different if you cared about him filtering phrases rather than caring about him begging for acknowledgement. but perhaps a better question would be why do you care about either one of those?

>>171184857
>I already played around a bit with sulptris and blender, yes.
>sulptris
>sculpting
Here's an idea, how about not starting with sculpting? Sculpting isn't even necessary unless you want to create super detailed, realistic looking meshes.

Learn how to box model, and no, "playing around with it" isn't learning.

>>171185257
Let him have his tantrum, he'll calm down when he sees something shiny that distracts him.

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i only have a few icons to finish before i have an alpha i can show, motivate me pls

>>171185257
read up on why report announcements are bannable offense

>>171185152
>The difficulty is related to the amount of details
I was talking about working with the same amount of details in both dimensions of course.
To create a decent player character in 2d is a lot easier than creating it in 3d. 3d is only easier when you want to make also a lot of animations.

>>171185401
The equivalent of all the 8bit pixelshit games out there would be minecraft and it'd probably take 15 minutes to model, rig and animate Steve

>>171185401
>To create a decent player character in 2d is a lot easier than creating it in 3d
No it isn't you sperg. You would know this if you actually bothered to learn the basics instead of playing around with tools way too advanced for beginners.

>>171185376
i know why they are a bannable offense. if this is the reason you care about it wouldn't it be better to report and not reply to it?

>>171185290
>Learn how to box model
In other works learn how create shit?
I rather have a nice looking 2d character than a fucking box face.
To create nice looking stuff in 3d takes a lot of time. In 2d it's a lot easier.

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>>171185401
>To create a decent player character in 2d is a lot easier than creating it in 3d. 3d is only easier when you want to make also a lot of animations.

you mean to draw A SINGLE PICTURE of a character is easier than modeling whole person in 3D
afterwards the scales completely turn in favor of 3D, because you will never again have to copy proportions and angles for poses, you already have the character "drawn" from all possible angles

>>171185326
you can do it anon i believe in you

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>3d nodevs this assblasted

>>171185634
Like I already said, if you want to make a lot of animations then 2d is harder of course, but you also can make decent games without lots of animations.

>>171185559
>In other works learn how create shit?
>I rather have a nice looking 2d character than a fucking box face.
>he thinks box modeling means having a box head/face
You're an idiot.

>>171185924
It would be the only way to keep up with the pace of 2d.
2d is just way faster and easier to produce. The only way to be just as fast with 3d is creating fucking box faces.

>>171185976
The difference is that money is valuable and my time is worthless

>>171185780
>Insecure 2d nodevs

>>171186021
Where's your good looking 2d game?

>>171186048
>tfw we were one war away from doing away with banks

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>mfw Im not a 3d nodev

>>171185848
yeah, fucking sidescrollers where player always faces just two directions and has one run, jump and attack animation, two frames each
decent games indeed

>>171186071
Where's your good looking 3d game?
I haven't created a game yet, but already spend some time with Game Maker and Unity, prototyping stuff and learning some coding, working with sprites, etc

And everything about GM was easier. It was easier to code, although you could basically create the same gameplay with it, it was easier to do simple animations, it was easier to create assets/sprites, just everything.

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>>171185976
what is this shit?
if my bank dumped $90k on my head every day I would never do anything ever again

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>>171186297
>I don't have a game but I'm an ideaguy
You sure proved that 2D is superior

>>171186291
You also easily can make more animations.
Animating in 2d only becomes really difficult if you want to create really complex artworks.
Otherwise you also simply can animate by doing lots of copy pasting.

>>171186458
yeah
decent games

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>>171186429
You sure proved that 3D is superior by not posting your game
Not even him btw

>>171186429
Who said I was an ideaguy? I just only recently started this shit and am still learning.
Howveer that 2d is better for beginners is pretty obvious to me.

>>171186530
>I only just started
And this is supposed to convince us that you know what the fuck you're talking about?

Has anyone bought the udemy Blender course? It's only $15 right now and I'd like to give it a shot but I don't wanna invest a bunch of time into it if it's shit.

>>171186524
show me your decent 3d game

>not making 4D games
You're all losers stuck in the past arguing about dimensions that don't matter

>>171186567
I'm not trying to convince anyone. It's not a big secret that working in 3d is harder than working in 2d. It's just common sense.

>>171186738
We have 2 spatial dimensions plus 3 dimensions of color.

>>171183740
Keeping the family away from you on the internet is a great idea. You wouldn't believe how many embarrasing shit about my firends I have seen their relatives posting.

Tumblr is a great idea, specially if you will post visual stuff often. Go for it, just don't forget the community can be pretty toxic sometimes.

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>>171186021
>It would be the only way to keep up with the pace of 2d.
No it wouldn't, and you're only further proving your stupidity here. I bet you think the AAA standard for in-game models are high poly.

>2d is just way faster and easier to produce. The only way to be just as fast with 3d is creating fucking box faces.
Pic related was made by box modeling and took about 30 minutes at most. Quite boxy eh?

Maybe you should try to gain an understanding of what box modeling is before making an idiot out of yourself.

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>>171186606
Jesus fucking Christ dude I'm doing 2D and I'm getting second hand embarrassment from your posts.

Just fucking stop.
Animating and posing 2D characters in 3/4 and orthographic perspectives is pantshittingly hard, unless you are doing absolute bottom of the barrel vector blobs with huge heads and tiny limbs.

If I knew how to model and rig, I would do my characters in 3D and then use their key frames for 2D drawings long ago.

>>171184384
2D is objectively better than 3D though.

3D is for people with no hope of achieving success unless they're extremely good at modeling and texturing or already have a following. 2D is far more flexible with regard to skill level; a simple, easy to make aesthetic is infinitely more appealing than the 872634th lowpoly/untextured pixelgarbage

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>>171187063
>3D is easier but I can't do it

>>171187061
>Pic related was made by box modeling and took about 30 minutes at most.
Yea, if you are a pro at 3d modelling softwares perhaps, but otherwise it would definitely take a lot more time.

The thing is just that learning these 3d softwares is really complex. In 3d you basically have to learn to code, how to use unity, and also how to use blender or whatever.
In 2d you only have to learn GM, and the coding there is a lot easier too. Then it just depends how skilled you are in drawing, but this is the case for 3d too.

>>171187110
>2D is far more flexible with regard to skill level; a simple, easy to make aesthetic is infinitely more appealing than the 872634th lowpoly/untextured pixelgarbage
No it isn't, retard.

Also if you knew anything about 3D modeling for video games, everything has to be low poly.

>>171187063
>waaaah how do i get out of this situation without posting my 3d nonexistent game
TOPest kek

>>171187063
>Animating
I already said a hundred times now, that you also can make decent games without lots of animations.

>If I knew how to model and rig
In other words 3d is too hard for you. just stfu retard

>>171187306
>Yea, if you are a pro at 3d modelling softwares perhaps, but otherwise it would definitely take a lot more time.
t. Idiot who never bothered to learn 3D software.

I'm literally learning 3D software from scratch, and based on all the knowledge I've accumulated since starting 2 weeks ago, I could easily re-create that image in 30 minutes or less, not including render times.

>The thing is just that learning these 3d softwares is really complex. In 3d you basically have to learn to code, how to use unity, and also how to use blender or whatever.
Ok, I can see you're beyond retarded and repulsed by the idea of enlightening yourself. Nothing more can be said.

>>171186425
>if i was rich i would do nothing
you can do nothing for free

>>171187460
>I could easily re-create that image in 30 minutes or less
Post a work of yours if you think this shit is so easy. So far you are just talking out of your ass.

>>171187586
That Donut pic IS a work of mine; made via a tutorial.

You don't know shit about what's easy and what isn't because you're a moron who decided to try sculpting as a beginner.

3D is very difficult

>>171187717
no is not >:(

>>171187167
no you fucking retard that's not what I said at all

it's 100 times easier to draw a static object in 2D than model and texture it in 3D
everything that moves is fucking murder in 2D

when you create a character in 3D you do it once and you are fucking done
you can spin the camera around it from all angles
when you rig it all you will do is just drag bones around and assign timing to them

with a 2D character (that isn't a vector blob) every fucking frame is a new drawing

>>171187324
>>171187447

and all you fucktards take from this is me saying that 3D games are easier to do
you are fucking mental

>>171187663
I don't believe you one word. I already tried to learn some 3d modelling, watched tutorials about blender, etc, and this shit is difficult as fuck.

Just drawing on a piece of paper is way easier.

>>171187572
You'll suffer for the it though. If you're rich you can do nothing without worry.

>>171187848
and that's precisely why you're a moron, and nothing more can be said.

>>171187827
I am aiming for 2000 AAA quality for both 2D and 3D. I can say 3D is harder.

>>171187831
>everything that moves is fucking murder in 2D
I already repeated this a hundred times now, but I was talking about games without lots of animations of course.

In games like shmups for example, you also can create good games by simply giving every object 2 animations at average.

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Time is running out, time for coffee and all-nighters.
post creepy event ideas, I need like 10 more

>>171187831
>when you create a character in 3D you do it once and you are fucking done
>when you rig it all you will do is just drag bones around and assign timing to them
>this is what 2D nodevs actually believe
Making a good 3D animation for a rigged model is just as hard as making a 2D animation for a premade sprite.

>>171187898
You are just shitty troll, nothing else.
In contrary to you, I already spend time with both of these things.

>>171187987
I have not animated much in 3D but that's not the feeling I get from it. Those IPO curves are really helpful.

>>171187889
what are you doin trying to gamedev though?
if you really enjoy some sorta zen floating through the universe, gamedev is the most inefficient method towards reaching that state

>>171175968
>Ed Edd n Eddy

I'm in.

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>>171187987
>moving a bone with mouse is equally hard as drawing whole limb again

never reproduce

>>171188045
Call me whatever you want, at the end of the day, you are still an idiot who refuses to learn.

>>171188240
>you are still an idiot who refuses to learn
Yea sure, that's also why I am currently working in 3d.
I went from 2d to 3d, because 2d is easier for beginners.

>>171187957
I don't give a fuck about those.
Nobody gives a fuck about those.
There 50,000 games like that collecting dust on Itchio and Steam.
And they are not decent by any stretch,

>>171188128
It seems easy on the surface because you don't have to redo the model, but you have to think about every limb's every section's movement and rotation in 3 dimensions. It's much more work than just moving a couple bones from back to forward and calling it done.

Likewise 2D seems hard because you have to draw every frame individually, but in reality you're copypasting the previous frame and tweaking some pixels, which isn't hard at all if you know how to draw.

In the end they require different kinds of work and different kinds of skills.

>>171188330
>I went from 2d to 3d, because 2d is easier for beginners.
and the idiot further proves his stupidity.

>>171180513
>http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/2800/
They offer you not a soul draining subscription.

>>171188378
I guess that is true. Though it's worth noting that at greater resolutions it becomes impossible to get away with tweaking a few pixels.

>>171188341
You clearly don't even have any idea about 2d games.
Probably only played 3d as the underage fag you are.

2d Arcade games are usually much better than these boring walking simulators nowadays, no matter how impressive their 3d graphics are.

And in such 2d games you do not have to animate a lot. You also can achieve great games by simply giving each enemy 2 animations at average.

Please let me make art for your game. I don't care what engine you use.

What's a good book that teaches you how to break your program into classes

>>171188425
Why do you fucking retard think an engine like GM has drag and drop coding implemented?
Because such engines for 2d games are much better suited for beginners than 3d engines.

>>171188629
It's better to post your art along with such posts.
Just saying, I don't need art.

>>171188559
True, and another thing to consider is that every item or piece of character customization you want to add will need to be drawn for every single frame. In 3D you can just rig the new model and all the animations will work for it without any extra work.

Most 2D games don't have that so it's not a factor, but some games can have tons of items.

>>171188695
ue4 has drag&drop coding, in 3D

>>171188695
>Why do you fucking retard think an engine like GM has drag and drop coding implemented?
You mean like UE4 nodes?

Whoops, looks like you exposed that stupidity of yours again.

>>171187978
>All cooking implements and utensils bend themselves with the next full moon. Silver cutlery does not.

>Overnight spontaneous hairgrowth that seems to knot itself together in a strange pattern. When looking through the holes in the knots you see another world.

>A man has been spotted selling cleaning products door to door. Regardless of if the occupants buy any or not, someone in the house will be murdered by another inhabitant. Its almost as if the man is offering the would-be murderer future help.

>A foul smelling fog covers the town. No one knows what it smells like but if the subject is bought up, people will violently disagree with each other, comparing it to even more obscure scents.

>Spontaneous animal combustion but they're ok with it and continue as normal.

>>171188717
just please give me a chance, what's your game

>>171188848
>>A man has been spotted selling cleaning products door to door. Regardless of if the occupants buy any or not, someone in the house will be murdered by another inhabitant. Its almost as if the man is offering the would-be murderer future help.
The ghost of billy mays ?

>>171188879
Sorry bro, working alone is a big deal for me.

>>171188930
where's your game

>>171188930
what's your game? Please

>>171188930
show your game please

>>171188836
>You mean like UE4 nodes?
That's something completely different, you retard.

>>171188879
We need artists for the RPG we're making. Join our discord:

https://discord.gg/PWqthJK

>>171189108
>discord
pass

>>171189108
Not interested in Discord, sorry.

>>171188629
>>171188879

I'm looking into my crystal ball... I see...

>oh i don't work with (insert engine) users, good luck :^)

looking for ideas for a 1MA 3d game, preferably that can be played with a game controller. and that hasn't been done 100 times before.

>>171182543
Nigger are you implying that most Mario games are the "same shit" just because they all have Mario in their title? Smash Bros, Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion is just "rehashed" and "the same fucking game"?

Choke on a lego.

>>171188989
>>171188991
>>171189027
I don't have access to it right now, I can post it later but I don't see why it matters.
There is no way I'm letting you help me with the art though.

>>171189254
You walk around and click items, and must find the right items to open locked doors and containers

>>171185976
>Draw out every cent of course.

Actually no I'd just use a couple hundreds to buy food/daily necessities and occasionally some new PC parts/games.

I mean 85k a day is nearly 3 million dollars a month, I don't need that much to be happy. After buying a house I'd just laze off forever.

>>171186425
>>171189509
>completely missing the analogy

>>171189070
Except it isn't really, idiot. It's literal drag & drop coding.

>>171187827
>>:(

>>171189163
I said I don't care what engine. Please, what's your game?

>>171189334
Just think about it

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these crushing things are faster now and I also fixed a bug with them

>>171189596
No, you're completely missing the analogy behind my answer. I don't need to make "fully use" of every single second in a day to be happy. I don't need to be constantly doing something productive every waking moment to feel fulfilled, just occasional bursts and investments.

>>171189128
>>171189156
We have a 50+ strong development team though. It's good experience for you.

>>171189694
do you want to feel fulfilled
or do you want to have a game

>>171189695
Not interested but good luck!

>>171189594
y the bricks do a flickery

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>>171189695
>50+ members in an internet game dev team
found a photo of your project

>>171189616
It's much more complicated even with drag and drop.
GM is one of the most beginner friendly engines, UE4 is far more abstract.

>>171187978
>A black cat appears in your garden you decide to give him food, he is very clingy and sweet with you.
>He fights with your cats but he never ends hurt even if they are bigger in size and seem to have advantage over him.
>You dissmiss it as your older cats being jelous.
>During the course of the week your other cats appear killed in a gruesome way.
>Neighbours complain that their pets have been killed too, in the same way.
>At first it was only cats, then it was small dogs, then bigger dogs
>Every time a death happens the black cat returns to your home undamaged, but smelling like sulfur.

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PROGRESS

Got Entities (wall and player for now) working
Got collision detection working
Both implementations are absolutely HORRIBLE at the moment. FPS drops to 40 on moving with 1000 entities. Lol.
No worries, this is just temporary. I just wanted to have some visible progress.

Gonna work on making it not shit now.

If you had infinite money, would you still work on games?

>>171189254
first person, your only movement control is looking around and a warp that sends you to whatever physical thing you can see.
puzzle game or whatever.

>>171189948
what is even the goal in this game?

>>171190056
Level up, spend time, have fun, kill monsters, collect loot, complete quests.
For a start.

>>171190020
Even more

>>171190164
>fun
>those grafix
oddly familiar

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>mfw too bad at everything gamedev to help with OpenMW

>>171190164
>not fuck bitches
dropped

>>171182479
Oh hey you're alive. Sweet.

I'm currently learning python as a first language. How good is it for games?

>>171190264
>implying grafics have anything to do with fun
ISHYDDT

Also, I'm trying to code everything in such a way that changing to actual grafics instead of ASCII will be only a few lines of code.
Currently I'm just trying to learn C++ in the most efficient (for me) way possible.
I've learned so much new shit this week, it's absolutely nuts. No amount of tutorials or books could have made me understand everything this efficiently.

>>171190468
I'll add a bitch, and an option to fuck her, just for you.

>>171190569
Not

>>171190569
It's ok. Godot's language is similar.

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>>171190589
grow some skin nigga, I was refering to this

Where's the official /agdg/ github

>>171190716
The only game more overrated than Undertale.

>>171190758
>Using SJWhub.

>>171190589
I'm honestly saying it anon: I'm happy for your progress and your learning. Godspeed! Enthusiastic folks like you make me want to work more, and reminds me of the wonders of this hobby.

Who are you going to ask to LP your game and how much of your budget are you setting aside to pay them?

>>171190758
>github
>not https://gitgud.io

>>171190716
Oh, I didn't take it as an insult. Just thought you were implying something you (I guess) weren't.
And yeah, Dorf Fart is pretty similar to what I have in mind for my game. Except the scale would be like 1/100th.

>>171190874
Thanks, senpai. Feelsgoodman

>>171185326
Bolding like that loses some impact when you're bolding every other word lol.

That said I have no clue how that would even be done any better.

>>171190758
I use bitbucket.
I wouldn't mind making it public but I don't want my shitty code getting laughed at.

>>171191136
>Except the scale would be like 1/100th.
Adventure mode or Fort mode ?
A rogue-like version of adventure mode, with the same fighting system but more balanced around adventuring is one of my fantasies.

>>171187572
No you cant

>>171191010
>goobergate.io
>>>/8ch/

>>171190758
This could be pretty neat. Having minimally-working game stubs in a variety of languages/engines, and forking them and so on. Would make it easy to collab without getting too personal too.

>>171191257
>supporting the website that deleted webm for retards repo without warning, just because of the name

>>171191257
Nobody cares anymore about gamergate anymore on 8ch. Any of the boards dedicated to it are dead and all that's left is a containment general on /v/ and most of /v/ thinks they're fags.

>>171191328
>replying to an obvious troll

>>171191147
that's applied automatically to everything with an icon next to it, maybe i should just make it a brighter white instead

>>171191229
I'm not going for a blatant copy of DF haven't played it, but based on the names, it'll definitely be more Adventure mode.
Think more RPG, less roguelike. But still plenty of roguelike elements (such as generated dungeons, etc.)

I'm not focuisng on design too much, as my main goal is learning programming via a method that feels intuitive to me (JLMG). So I just add stuff that comes to mind and I think is doable at my skill-level.
I do have a few main things in mind that I want to add in the game, though.
Currently really excited about the stats. Had some great ideas on how to implement them. Fuck, this is gonna be gud.

>>171189832
kek. You should see the MLP fan-made "MMO".
>106 "active" team members
>another 141 past contributors
And unsurprisingly, despite being in development for over four years, there's still barely any content, combat is incredibly buggy, and the servers crash constantly.

I've never worked on such a large team, but I imagine being on a big all-volunteer team like that makes it too easy to justify your own laziness. "I ought to work on this, but if I don't, I'm sure someone else will take care of it..."

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>>171190468

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Basic day/night cycle stuff is working now. Now to add a bed and the ability to sleep to pass time.

>>171192443
Kill yourself you pathetic nodev.

Looks great anon keep at it.

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>>171189948
Friendly reminder that the GPU is an asynchronous beast, and isn't even guaranteed to finish drawing on the frame it's being called to draw on.

And there is literally no way to measure how long it takes to draw without calling the internal clock directly.

>>171192398
>shaking the tree AND the camera
Hope it's optional.

>>171174476
Believe in yourselves /agdg/ devs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9EJd9ml4jE

Ignore the naysayers.
Work like hell.
Trust yourself.
Break some rules.
Don't be afraid to fail.

>>171192443
Minecraft was a ripoff of another game that was made open source after it was abandoned.
How is he going to get sued by them?
Also, I was playing a korean MMO back in 1998 that allowed you to chop trees and get wood.

How hard is it to understand quarternion?

>>171192852
Do you understand cumplex number? You can understand quarternion.

>>171192691
WIP, friend.
I've been working on it every day for the last 3 months, and it's become far easier to work on it ever since I implemented some design patterns and a custom event system.
There's nothing wrong with getting inspired.

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>>171192830
Anyone get the feeling that this is all the same person just shitting up the thread?

>>171192960
Whoops, sorry >>171192468 I meant to link >>171192443
Enjoy the free (You)

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>>171182353
I love that all 3 of your attempts to prove him wrong, prove him exactly right.

When did CoD take over the world? When it went Modern Warfare at a time when everything else was WWII. Novelty = success.

Why did Assassin's Creed take off? Utterly unique game on release. No game that played like Assassin's Creed. No game that shared its gimmick. Novelty = success.

Grand Theft Auto? Same as above. Utterly unique when it first released, only refined the gameplay over the years. No game plays quite like GTA. Even GTA clones. Novelty = success.

>tfw increasing movespeed to be sanic the hedgehag makes the game 10x more fun
>tfw it clashes with the gritty aesthetic I like

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>>171192443
pic related

>>171192468
Thanks anon

>>171192632
Everything is subject to change when Demo Day rolls around. I think it looks good but if enough people disagree I'll adjust it.

>>171192852
You don't need to understand how quaternions work to use them.

GTA series got mainstream with GTA3 which was absolutely groundbreaking at the time.

You formulaic faildevs will never make it.

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>>171193284
To the anon that made me this...

You done goofed. Can I get a PNG of it ? Its pretty neat. Actually considering using it.

>>171193298
Speed = Distance/Time

>>171181264
This guy gets it.
That's part of the reason why I spent so much time on my item and equipment system to add capabilities that no other game has within those systems.