/twg/ - Total War General

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Mannfred was weak, witness true meat grinding!

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>>171125858
ROLLAN!

R E J O I C E

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Stop playing fantasy

>>171125816
Turned off the mods as soon as it started happening. Now I tried the ol' "rename warhammer folder in Appdata" thing and it still doesn't work. I guess I'll go google other methods of stopping this thing from crashing.

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>>171125858
So we decided to go for Averheim, Castle Manlet still stands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI-SCFlUfns

>>171126147
Anon stop posting until you remove the ugly-ass mods
This has crossed the line of acceptability, and your names are trash too

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My enemies are many, my equals are none

In the shade of living trees they said Athel Loren could never be conquered

In the land of vampires and necromancers, they said Sylvania could never be humbled

In the realm of chaos and snow, they said Norsca could never be tamed

Now they say nothing, they fear me, like a force of nature, a dealer in chivalry and death

I say, I am Louen Leoncoeur! I am King of Brettonia!

>>171126147
>5 vargheists per unit.
I could've sworn it was 6 to a unit on medium.

>>171126147
Now I feel ashamed for playing the von Carsteins.
Please anon, either remove those mods or yourself

>>171126147
You even have a terrible camera angle to top it all off

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>>171126147
I like your style, kid.

If I move and wreck the Norscan factions early on, can I mitigate their involvement in the Storm of Chaos or will the AI spawn stacks anyway? Debating a Bret campaign establishing an outpost in the frigid north

>>171126147
Okay anon here is (you) hope you happy now

>>171126608
[muffled screaming]

Time for some NaPOOP

Which LME campaign do we play?

>>171084818
>all this shitting on Daemons
Just you wait. They're going to be what Chaos Undivided should've been.

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>>171126635

>>171126064
Rolaids.

>>171126689
You'll slow down Skaeling and Varg and keep them off your ass while you fight Chaos, but Chaos itself will still do a lot of damage
The real challenge is wiping out the norscans in a timely manner. They've got a good habit of sneaking around and reclaiming what you already razed, and travelling through the north is a pain in the ass

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>>171127008

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Do vampires like Can-Can dancing?

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>>171127205

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

I need Slaneesh/Khorne erotica

>>171127736
did you mean the foot enchantress?

>>171127916
>wood elves
>best elves

Not in this world or the next.

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Durthu stronk

>>171127907
I still laugh when I remember the whole Khorne/Slaanesh chalice shenanigans.

>>171127907
So you want to
>take
my skull for this skull throne eh?
Do it harder.

>>171128196

chalice shenanigans?

warhammer noob here

>>171127008
That's pretty neato

If CA don't add in more ways to fuck over the Empire earlygame in the next expansion I'll be disappointed

>>171128287
Basically
>Slaanesh is born
>He/she/whatever the fuck I'll just say it wants to ingratiate itself with the other chaos gods
>Decides a good first step is to give them a nice gift
>Creates four chalices of perfect craftsmanship and amazing taste, each with motives from each of the gods
>Gives Nurgle, Tzeentch and Khorne their own
>Nurgle and Tzeentch mostly don't care
>Khorne responds like how he always does
>Smashes the chalice because who the fuck wants a gift from such a pansy god
>Then regrets it, because damn it was so beautiful, and it was a gift made with all the good of it's heart
>For the first time in the story of ever, Khorne repairs something he smashed
>Realizes this as he finishes
>Smashes it again
>Starts repairing it again
>Nurgle and Tzeentch laugh their assess off at sexually confused Khorne.

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>>171128369
Know your place, you filthy nigger swine.

>>171128069
What are you talkin about she is not an elf!

>>171126064
when the entire trilogy is out i wonder how the roll chart will work. especially if we end up with more than 100 lords.

>>171128643

Khorne is definitely in the closet

>>171128754
A chart for each campaign /part of the world, maybe?

>>171128643
I think you mean Nurgle laughs his ass off and Tzeentch nervously laughs as he realized Khorne is going against his nature and might become less chaos-ey

Thoughts on ultimate minor settlement pack?

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Will CA release this part of the world in one of their expansions?

>>171129341
hopefully never

enough weeb shit in my games

>Dismounted Questing Knights (Trollhammer Torpedoes and Shields)

>>171129341
>Cathay
>Nippon
Not a chance.

>>171129341
Probably no
Maybe after all dlc
Maybe we going to get nippon mini campaing dlc or some shit

>>171129341
Those parts of the world are so fucking generic

I hope they do them last

>>171129409
are their armies even available for tabletop?

>>171129309
Anyone?

>>171129341
the map is going to cut off right at the start of cathay.

so we probably won't even get them.

But. maybe hopefully there will be enough model bits at the end of the entire game to make some custom units and what not.

>>171129537

No, and there's very little lore to go off of.
CA would basically need to get the green light from GW to create entirely new factions.

In the past I'd say this would be impossible, but GW isn't led by a raging moron anymore so it's possible

>>171129341
Hopefully never until they have realized every little drop of the established stuff and the not so established stuff contained in the established stuff.

>>171129309
Tried one battle with it on an Elf lookout

it looked so fucking generic, half-assed work. But that was just 1 battle

>>171129341
Where is the Island where the body of Asavar Kul buried? anyone know? I think it was somewhere around the sea of claws

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HA

NO WONDER ROMANS SUCK IN ATILLA

>>171129537
No, at best there were some things in 2nd edition that never received models. at worst only a couple lines mentioned in a paragraph at somepoint or nothing at all.

Araby is different in that it actually had models at one point though, the smaller scale warmaster game but still an army. And kislev even had models for the main game.

the others never had any such thing.

>>171129787
Araby will have to be in one of the expansions though won't it?

>>171128181
>No tree spirits

You insult.

>>171129895
I could see CA doing an araby/kislev pack in the same manner of the RoR packs, only with new units instead of RoR. What will be interesting to see is how CA implements Araby whenever TK get added, seeing as how every human faction excluding Bretonnia uses a basic empire roster. Will they feature a barebones but unique roster similar to brets pre-release, or will they be playable alongside the tomb kings when the latter is released

Why did the chaos blood knights betray the Empire at that one big battle when they should have known full well that chaos was bent on the destruction of the planet? I can understand them hating the Empire but it's a pretty bad idea in the long term.

Also why didn't the college of magic or whatever allow Gelt to just keep making zombie soldiers until the war was over so that civilization wouldn't be destroyed?

Why the fuck did they end the world it's so cool

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people shit on chaos, but its really not that bad in terms of its roster, the problem is that whoever was responsible for the horde buildings clearly doesn't actually play the game and doesn't understand the difference between a horde and a settled faction

there is a reason why horde factions in Attila, didn't have a billion different recruitment tents, and the reason is that unless the game is perfectly balanced, you have zero motivation to build anything but the best tents, since building one doesn't just take up a slot, it also increases the population cost of all other tents

another aspect they failed to understand is the creation of new hordes, again, in Attila its not that much of a problem because recruitment buildings don't give maintenance cost reduction, so you can just dump all the high tier units into the fledgling horde and re-recruit them in the old one. But in TWW you are encouraged to fill the new horde with shit units, which would work if it wasn't for infighting and the fact that the AI always senses where your horde is hiding

Another problem is the lack of any campaign map level play, what I mean is the following, in Attila horde factions had more things to do, for one thing almost all of them could settle down, which understandingly isn't an option here, but then again you had huns and white huns which couldn't settle down in Attila too. But they still had other options, you could vassalise factions, ally them you could engage them in diplomacy, to levy troops and replenish numbers. Yet you have no such option in Warhammer, your only choice with regards to other factions is whether you slaughter them right now or a bit later. Sure you can vassalize the norscans, but you quickly realise that its not viable to run all the way to the north to replenish, so you just merge and re-recruit, which gives an advantage to units that are recruited in 1 turn, combined with the fact that such units are also insanely strong (the chosen) cntd in next post

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For fucks sake Vlad.

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AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

>>171130403

They wanted to relaunch fantasy in a more accessible/simpler/kid friendly way and to nuke the setting.

Any and all 'end times' writing reflects it. Disregard it all.

>>171130507
Agree

>>171131224

Oh, so they weren't making tons of money off fantasy eh. Why's that I wonder, models too expensive or were people just not that interested?

>>171126608
>Footman

Just one?

>>171129704
Was it better than a generic field battle at least?

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>>171130507
combined with the fact that such units are also insanely strong (the chosen) AND considering the already mentioned pop cost of tents, the game drives you towards just spamming one unit type, which is a shame because the roster is actually pretty fucking big. It's especially bad because the autoresolve is as retarded as ever and absolutely loves dealing disproportianate damage to monsters and heroes, so you either fight every shitty skirmish personally, or never recruit any monsters and use a minimum number of heroes which you move out of the stack before autoresolving

chaos also has no agent with the block and assasinate focus, which for a horde faction is an absolute shit decision, since you can get drowned in enemy agents, that you can't do anything about, even a settled faction like Bretonia suffers a bit from having no dedicated duellist/assassin for campaign map dickery, and chaos just becomes unfun when you drown in one billion agents every turn

what chaos needs is a lot more choice based events (see Roman Expedition in Attila TLR), some subterfuge based gameplay, a way to hide fledgling hordes (maybe make sure that the attrition all the way up in the chaos wastes is huge not just for the player but also for the AI, no really on legendary it takes nearly no attrition damage up there), a subterfuge based agent with block and assassinate, a way to interact with other factions which isn't just killing them, a complete rework of buildings, and perfectly balanced units (which will never happen so, really, the buildings rebalance is essential)

and either a way to vassalize any minor faction to have a place to replenish, OR someway, a tech maybe to lower recruitment time of other units, so that you don't just spam chosen

there are probably many things I forgot about, but the stuff I mentioned is absolutely essential to make the campaign more fun and to give it re-playability its a shame that a faction with cool roster and varied LL's is ignored

>>171131149
That mod's scarred him for life. Unlife, whatever.

>>171131446
>a way to interact with other factions which isn't just killing them

>and either a way to vassalize any minor faction to have a place to replenish

disagree w/ these, as they don't really fit w/ the chaos theme. Replenishment should be increased in regions you have razed/regions w/ high corruption however


Other points are breddy gud however, and I think, CA will probably address them as time goes on and things like chaos divided/daemons are added into the game. God specific units/events would definitely add replayability to the faction. The other problem that Chaos has that CA might not address is that siege battles are fucking terrible, and every single province outside of norsca has the capability to build walls, meaning lategame requires you to fight a shitton of shitty siege battles to get anywhere

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>they still worship Ulric

>>171131997
>disagree w/ these, as they don't really fit w/ the chaos theme
chaos is subtle too, its not just straight up murder though, an ability to somehow undermine your enemies before attacking them would be a good thing, or at least a way to somehow control those chaos rebel hordes that spawn when corruption is high enough (which actually never spawned for me, since I played on legendary and the AI gets just way too many boosts to public order)

>>171131323
On one hand, armies were too expensive to start off. A single infantry unit needed at least 40 dudes (unless it was monstrous) and they were sold in boxes of 16 at most, priced around 15-25 pounds for basic infantry and sometimes over 30 for the higher end stuff. At a standard point level you'd need around 4-6 units + some monsters/war machines. Did I mention the boxes were getting price hiked by 5-10% every summer, even when they were 10 year old models?
Since almost no one had enough money to jump into the hobby, they had to rely on existing customers. The problem here, is that existing customers already had armies, and had to buy a box or two at most when editions changed to add some new overpowered units (if any).

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>>171132215
Sisters of Sigmar Empire horde faction when?

You could be just a roving inquisition that gets religious decrees to go and raze a small town or something or you have to go and reduce the corruption of an area to 0 and your faction mechanic can be religious right to command or something so if you let too many of these decrees build up you obviously arnt devout enough and will get major attrition and/or cant recruit till you prove yourself.

>>171132643

Why didn't they just use different material or something to make the models cheaper?

>>171132737
I'd prefer a dog of wars horde faction to help out humans and dwarves.

So what is going to happen on 31st? Warhammer 2 announcement or just a DLC announcement?

>>171132831
They did. Kind of. Some of the models used to be made out of metal. Eventually, they said metal became too expensive and switched them to a really horrible soft resin, which was so bad that your models literally melted if you left them in the car on a sunny day and 99% of them came miscast, either with holes from air bubbles, or sometimes even missing entire limbs. And guess what. Finecast (that's how they called this resin) models were more expensive than their metal predecessors.

>>171133130

Why not just use cheap hollow plastic made in china or some shit.

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Blep

>>171132880
>>171132737
A "helpful horde" faction would be nice. You could encamp in an area, and put your stance to "Trade" to increase yours and your host province's income, or "Patrol" to increase your integrity and your host province's public order. You can recruit special units from the province host, and they in turn can levy troops from you. Or something.

There would have to be drawbacks, but it'd be pretty great for a co op campaign.

>>171132831
>>171133215
>Why didn't they just use different material or something to make the models cheaper?
They do, year after year

The problem is they reduce the number of models, and then increase the price of the kit

So while you would have gotten 40 models at high quality for a set price years ago now you pay for 8 at shit quality at the same or higher price

Welcome to Games Shitshow. Fantasy died because GWS are an immoral company and they try to scam their consumers, and eventually everyone got fed up. You have to realize GWS is a publicly listed company and its biggest share holders are all hedge funds.

>>171133215
It has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of production. Those figures cost about 8 cents to create and they charge roughly $80 for them.

It's about pricing themselves out of demand, then attempting to create artificial demand out of existing customers.

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>>171133383
i was thinking you could have a "hold sermons or Religious services" where in friendly territory it would reduce corruption by a large amount and increase public order it would also provide an income from friendly civilians through "donations".
In enemy territory it would very very slowly replenish troops and cause public order reduction and corruption reduction but no income.
It would spice up horde game play since you can only get income from friendly territory but i would assume since its religious zealots you would have 0 upkeep just recruitment and construction expenses.

>>171133383
Ogres may be a horde that works in a mercenary fashion, where you get more food the more and bigger the fights you are in, but they would still need to change how hordes work for it to be fun, in my opinion. Something like separating the army and building horde part into two things that can move separately from each other (but still need to be close to get all the benefits/not suffer attrition or lack of garrison)

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>>171133352
The spawning pools have been producing strange hatches, as of late...

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by ze Lady, 6 giants

>>171134097
>two things that can move separately from each other
how about this? in friendly nations you can build headquarters, that allow you to recruit new stacks and give some minor benefits, can be improved for more, as long as headquarters aren't destroyed you are not defeated even if you lose all your armies?

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Rock the boat!

>>171134023
You'd need some kind of upkeep. Unless you're thinking that income would be a trickle, but even then you could just shake down enemies/allies for cash and then ball out of control.

>>171134097
Maybe you could force AI allies to give up a building slot to build one of your buildings, in exchange for rent money/an alliance? And then if things break down, you lose the building and a big ass amount of money as pissed off lords loot and burn your headquarters?

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I don't remember this existing the last time I played dwarfs?

>>171133616
>>171133668


If all they want to do is make money then why the fuck didn't they just slap a reasonable price on the models if it only took a few pennies to manufacture them. Surely they would rather have less money instead of no money? Were the people in charge mentally retarded?

>>171134620
the thing is you would constantly be getting the religious decrees to go do something and fuck some on up so you wouldn't be able to sit and shake shit down or you would get fucked hard by attrition and no more money because your a hack fraud in a prayer tent now

>>171134620
Basing mechanics that cause you to lose out if the fickle AI change their mind suddenly probably isn't a good idea

>>171134416
A few peasants should sort them out

>>171134748
I think that's only in settlements with gemstones, like Karaz a Karak

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How do you succeed at all with the Chaos campaign? It's just ridiculous. You can't hold Baersong as a vassal whatsoever because it's surrounded by kislev and dwarves. Regardless of which you go after first, the other will, always, without fail, wipe out baersong while you're busy with the other faction.

Furthermore, Varg and Skaeling are quite possibly the biggest, strongest EMPIRES at the start of the game, the notion that they are nomadic bands of retarded marauders is completely false. They field countless doom stacks of well stocked armies all over the map, and they follow my measly single stack from one end of the earth to the other trying to wipe me out, completely ignoring all the other factions.

I just don't know what to do, I really like Chaos but the campaign is just seemingly impossible.

>>171134748
Because it's a unique chain available in a single settlement.

How the actual fuck are you supposed to play Von Carsteins on VH?

They start out smeared with shit, and Templehof and Mannfred are pimping undead like no other, and big sleeping bear on the west can't wait to come shit on me.

What do I do in the first 20 turns? I've already played out 4 campaigns and all were failures.

Do I declare war on Mannlet first?

Do I do it with Templehof instead?

where do I go first?

This is my first time trying out something different from my previous 6 empire campaigns.

>>171134853
>it only took a few pennies to manufacture them

Please stop. Hiking prices evry year is not excusable, but neither is thinking that the only cost you have to facture during production is the materials involved.

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>>171134865
Ah, I see. Yeah, some kind of sort of fightiness/grudge hybrid mechanic that leads to your followers getting pissy if you sit still too long?

>>171134921
Yeah, that's a good point. Diplomatic AI should be reformed, but it won't be.

Perhaps a better idea is to have two separate horde building trees tied to different lord types? If you have a Gnoblar Accountant (I know, I know, not possible) you can have the army get income buildings and other civilian things, at the cost of high upkeep for bored/truculent ogres that want to go find new things to eat instead of guarding the caravans and coin chests.

>>171135164
Ignore varg and skaeling, don't fight them and get a peace treaty with them, and they will raze most things north of Altdorf for you

>>171134416
How about making it more of a diplomacy game? Building/encamping in friendly territory lowers their public order, but gives them income. Basically, if they want a mercenary horde's help they need get on your good side (by forking out the cash, the merc faction leader could have a trait that made him more susceptible to gold and less susceptible to other stuff) and then deal with your unruly mates crashing some pubs, while trying to make some of that money back off them. Of course, that would require the AI to play the same game as the player.

>>171135164
>that pic
>that filename

If anything it should be applied to M&B

>>171135408
Sorry I was just going off of what that guy was saying.

>>171135164
Skaeling and Varg rarely use anything more dangerous than chariots. If you're rushing Chosen like you should be, you can easily roll over them. Chosen and armor-piercing horsemasters are all you really need to clean up the north.
You're not going to keep baersong (and norscan tribes in general) alive unless you stay with them and wipe out Kislev early. You're better off letting them be a distraction while you go abuse the rest of norsca to build your horde and income. Focus on the tribes further west and follow them south once you've got a good stack ready

>>171134482
reee pepe is not /pol/ stop it

How in the absolute fuck are you supposed to take Mousillion. This shit is retarded hard to take because they have literally 3 times my units, they never fucking break AND they can regenerate losses.

Like what the fuck am I supposed to do other than rape my economy by building massive stacks and throwing a billion men at arms at the walls.

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>>171135396
Recruit an extra Vargheist with Izzy, recruit Vlad second turn, then trespass along Stirland's buttcrack to attack templhof. If they stray into your territory before then kill them. You can easily sweep up every Sylvania town except Drakenhof by constant recruiting using raise dead and catching their armies in the field, where your Vargheists will destroy them.

If in doubt, recruit more zombies.

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what's he thinking?

convince me to finish my gobbos playthrough
I keep getting fucked in the ass and having to alt f4, and now the entire world has declared war on me for no reason

>>171135396
>take Western Sylvania
>take Eastern Sylvania
>kill Manny if he's somewhere around
>take Drakenhof
>bully greenskins if they manage to fuck up Zhufbar
A literally foolproof opening to your campaign.

>>171136586
>KILL URKS

>>171136586
>VENGEANCE

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I feel like autoresolving this is cheating because in reality I will take huge losses or maybe even get beaten if I fight this out, so I will fight this out

its terribly unfun though

>make a basic edit with pfm
>save it
>it says it's for an older version of the game in the mod manager

why

it's not a big deal since it works perfectly, just wondering why it's giving me this warning when my game is up to date and I just imported like three tables from data.pack

>>171137032
not really just bunch up your infantry and let the cav and airforce take care of everything

but yeah auto resolve is too favourable to the player and you need to force yourself to play it

>>171136586
>GRUUUUUDGE

>>171136516
>starting with izzy
never worth it
blood knights start will always be worth more than any amount of vampire heroes later in the game

>>171135396
War with the templehof until you wipe them out
dont recruit a great deal of units to vlads army; it's upkeep cost you dont really need; the only time you really need more than his starting army is for taking Waldenhof which has a strong garrison for reasons (???)

Recruit isabella to deal with a templehof counter attack on schwartzhafen if needed (I've never seen them have enough force to deal with the garrison AND a LL+1 or 2 units of any kind)

The Moot can be used as a choice rebel farm for xp if you feel like it; it's usually how I get levels on isabella pre baleful ritual research (ie. hyper expansion time)

Taking castle drakenhof is always better than waiting for a choice time to confederate; but actually taking castle drakenhof requires you that there's no armies there besides the garrison. Fighting the Drakenhof garrison in the field I find is harder than in the keep because you cant 1v1 the grave guards to death; no matter how good blood knight charge bonus is so dont pick a fight with Mannlet if he's next to the castle to bait the garrison out unless you're sure about the army you're using

A post war down-period to unlock grave guards is a good idea after you've taken Sylvania but not mandatory

>>171137032
Welp, now I know how cancer looks. Fuck norscan shits.

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>>171137634

Guys how do I play Attila?
Whats the best build order and tech tree order?

How do you play Warhammer early game? I'm too poor to afford anything else other than a single stack and my enemy always sits in his city and never moves

>>171137032
There is absolutely no shame in autoresolving this fucking cancer of an army, my friend.

>>171137972

air favors chariots far too much.

>>171137954
playing as?

>>171129768

are you the autist who shouted ROMA INVICTA jn twitch chat?

>>171138136
wood elves

>>171137939

Who are you playing?

>>171138257
I chose Picts. I prefer out of the way factions.

>>171137954
Enter his turf to raid his shit and get a bit more income, or hire some heroes to damage his army/settlement before attacking it
You have free reign to do pretty much whatever you want as wood elves. Volunteer to help fight the vampires or go purge Chaos or something. Things get a bit more fun for the wood elves once you decide to leave your forest

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What do you think family life is like with Dwarfs? Do they have little stone homes, with little stone plates, and if the son doesn't do his chores that's a grudgin and he has to take the sweeper's oath?

I hate chaos shits so much, they burned down two empire cities by running ahead of me on forced march and Louen getting slowed down by a gobbo big boss, Brettonia needs a hero focused on killing other heros

>>171138385
eh, get just enough tech to acquire mid tier units and then focus fully on economy, conquer other celts asap and only then drive out the romans, your roster is heavily offense focused so you need to play aggressively

>>171138385

>>171137875

I've always wondered why the fuck commen men willingly stand and fight against the likes of terrifying dragon ogres, trolls, chaos spawn, Archaon, etc. without shitting themselves and running the fuck away immediately. Is there an explanation in the lore for it?

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>bunch of enemy units locked in with my frontline
>IT'S TIME FOR MAGICK
>"uses Gehenna's Golden Hounds"
>kills like shitton of bunched up enemy guys
>hounds started to jump toward my guys
>wiped half of my frontline

Fuck, I guess I hit my head when I was young. Don't know what I expected.

>>171138706
BASED GOLD MAGIC

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Eat the corn out of my shit, Malagor

>>171136780
>playing legendary and savescumming anyway

You're even worse than a regular savescummer. Delete your campaign and end yourself.

Why are celts so comfy lads

>secure britain in the early game
>get a decent sized army/fleet
>go south and raid and pillage
>use that money to build up the infrastructure in britain

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Goblin Dabbing

>>171135671
Yeah. He is. As is all of those shitty frogs.

Not /twg/ related at all. Might as well just post pictures of trump.

>>171136780
man up and go through it,if you lose then that's it

>>171138648
Thanks mate. So should I focus on one army or 2 armies? What about food? How does that work as there's a bunch of building chain options.

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>>171139367
stop falseflaging,shit's retarded

>ignore terrain
>resistant to fatigue
>scare horses

holy fuck these Horse Whisperers are neato

>>171138632
Probably very comfy and normal. The only dwarves we see are the ones going out and killing for the kingdom, just like we don't see beastmen does, empire families and elves with any chill whatsoever.

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Predictions?

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what the fuck did I do to deserve this

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>>171138706
daddy Gelt!

>>171140125
>turn 8
lmao

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>>171140112

>>171140125
what the fuck,that's never happened to me in 14 empire campaigns

>>171140194
>gelt vs slayer
>gelt casts a spell that gives the slayer armor
>slayer can no longer fight gelt as it wouldn't fulfill his oath due to him having armor

nuthin personnel..... midget

>>171140125
imagine if you got that + the rogue necro event at the same time

Is Rome 1 still worth playing?

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actually one of the more enjoyable battles I've played while in the frozen wastes

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>>171140125
What the actual fuck is up with trait triggers since Bretfaggia?

Everything is fucking potatoes, all my lords are gaining "likes chaos" traits after asswhooping the shit out of chaos armies, and they also all gain "untrustworthy" after victories, even Gelt is untrustworthy now

I'm all for negative traits. But retarded traits coming out of no where? no.

>>171140712
Karl worships Khorne, this is a known fact.

>>171126064
roll

>>171140712
gelts especially prone to untrustworthy for some reason

>>171140712

this>>171140795

he's just a bloodthirsty dude.

>>171140518
>2k16+1
>play twwh
>play ATW
>still nothing satisfies me enough not to go back to play me some good ol' RSII rome total war

that game is so fun with mods, and cancerous without.

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>Raze Mousillion because game says it gives +30 chivalry
>Do it
>Loose 100 chivalry for Razing Man's Settlement
>Game never said anything about that

Fuck this game so hard holy shit I am legitimately angry

>>171140712
they've always been like that, unfortunately CA only gave an updated trait system to the elf-worshippers, which is a shame considering shit like thorgrim getting "likes greenskins" has been a problem since release

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>>171140658

Very hard isn't very hard at all I think...

>>171141150
pray at a shrine
also anyone got a list of bretonnias unique traits?

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some angry anon said this was a forced meme. i was unaware of that but here you go

has anyone played a campaign with no aversion? do a bunch of stupid non lore friend alliances happen?

>britain has +2 local traditions for manichaeism

the fuck?

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Can I win this? Putting all my pay2win regiments in Grimgor's stack may have been a mistake, not sure how I'm gonna make all this cavalry work inside the walls.

I can wait and hope my dumb as shit waagh will go attack the reinforcing small stack, making it a tiny bit easier next turn. It could also just ignore my war target and do fuck all, which I find far more likely, and then the reinforcing dwarf recruits 6 more units and another RoR or two. Waiting also means Thorgrim or Ungrim recovering and bringing even more dwarven bullshit to the table.

Really want to go in now and break these fucking stunties once and for all but what are my chances realistically?

>>171141725

is this the part where we talk about beastmen and their horse cocks?

>>171139502
>So should I focus on one army or 2 armies?
1 full army, and one small one for peacekeeping in captured territories is enough at the start, make sure to build taverns for public order
> What about food?
you will notice that different buildings react differently to fertility its shit in Britain and will only get worse, so just pick whatever gives you the most money at first, but later on you will have to replace it with the one that gives the largest flat food amount

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>>171142135
what?

>>171142130
>half of grombrindal's army is miners/rangers

you'll be fine - be sure to apply rusty arrers liberally

>>171142130
Who else is triggered by this guys UI?

Outside of Tree Hitler, is Belegar supposed to beat every single lord in single combat?

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The Empire comes.

>>171142610
Kinda
He's the dwarf's dedicated assassin/character killer

>>171126064

WHO TO BE IN CO-OP

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>>171142743

Fucking ladders, whenever I use those the unit is still trying to climb them by the time the battle is over. Can somebody tell me why it's so fucking hard for CA to get siege pathfinding right? Anybody remember playing The Lord of the Rings: the Battle for Middle Earth? Units climbing on and off walls had zero trouble. It can't be that hard can it???

>>171142996
I have no problems using ladders at all.

>>171142373
that's the part I'm most afraid of. there will be literally nowhere to go once I'm inside that isn't covered by at least 2 units of raining death.

Things worked out though, the waagh krumped the other dwarf's small stack and came back, now I have extra siege towers. After tendies, we're going over the top.

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>>171142996
no problems here

>>171129341
The MoM is the only part of the map you highlighted that will be in. The rest is Irrelevant to most of the Warhammer world outside of that particular area. Though Cathay is kind of cool and interesting IMO, if you dig deep into EVERY scrap of lore.

>empire tw US prologue: revolutionary war
>fighting stacks of auxiliary indians, no even bayonet invented
>1775
Great
>warpath campaign
>fuĺlstacks of native musketeers and cannons fighting stacks of auxiliary indians
>1820
>still no inventions
Great
>shogun 2
>great roster, times of pike and shot tactics
>fighting peasants with peasants all the game
Great
>rise of samurai - times of cavalry archers domination
>ai rushes you with peasants
Great
>fall of samurai - don't know the time but "the last samurai movie" and machinegun featured
>having great pike-and-shot expirience, really

>>171143440
wat

So now that I've defeated Archaon as Franz, what else is there to do? I was just gonna head north and fuck up this Varg character once and for all, and send some armies south to help the Dwarves cos they were the only ones helping me with Chaos. The vampire cunts are still alive too, including the Red Knight, and I've promised Brettonia to fight the elf fucking shits too.

What should I tackle first?

Belegar Ironhammer.

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REJOICE

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G O B L I N S

>>171144001
REVENGE INCARNATE

>>171134097
>Ogres being a horde

Ah yes, those fellows from the Ogre KINGDOMS are surely meant to be a horde.

>>171144001
beggar nohammer

how can he be the true king of a hold that he doesn't even inhabit

>>171126064
r-rollin

>>171144319
they are literal steppe mongols

>>171144319

Yes, they are.

>-50% to upkeep before you get Eight Peaks
>Somehow expects you to be able to sustain an army across all that distance strong enough to take down a settlement that large
CA, pls, this is not legendary approved.

What's better, high melee attack and low weapon strength or low melee attack and high weapon strength?

>>171143440
hmm

>>171141394
CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW

>>171144497
>gives you 4 invincible heroes that cause fear and terror, and resist 80% of all physical damage to help you

>>171144497
>legendary

You have only yourself to blame for this.

>>171144721
Thats like asking whats better, 1 + 2 or 2 + 1

Attack = chance to hit
Strength = damage when you do hit

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TO MY MEN

So I haven't played since before the WE release. How are they and Bretonnia? What's the next big release? When can I be a Chaos Dwarf?

>>171144319
the entire point of their lore and history is all about how they are a roaming horde. literally every single thing about them revolves around them being very mobile and being able to show up anywhere

>>171144817
You may not like it, but this is what peak male performance looks like

>>171144817
By Sigmar NO

>>171144958
>not ottermode
Na hes a DYEL

>>171144817
SIGMARS BLESSINGS YES

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>>171144836
Chaos dorfs yes, please CA make a proper slavery system.

It would be neato if you could enslave any race by capturing their cities and use expendable units made from them and boost economy by slave labor.

>>171144836
Brets are the most well made faction by far

Next big release is likely the expansion of high elves, dark elves, lizardmen and skaven

Chaos dwarfs will not be until after the next expansion, so 2+ years

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>>171141386
>Volkmar
>An Arch Lector

>>171145164

What are the CD's so mad about anyways. What's their deal?

>>171145260
I'd sooner cast aside the Jade Griffon!

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>>171145292
grudges

>>171144836
Bretonnia is the shining light of all that is pure and good in the world
Wood Elves are NAZIS who will raze your cities for their LEBENSRAUM

>>171138669
State troops are well trained and regimented troops who know there is only one choice, fight or die later. They are a professional military force and are more than trained enough to atleast stand against their foes, especially when their god literally makes their minds more fortified and when they can see their Warrior Priest praising Sigmar and literally being blessed by him on the battlefield. Sigmar iirc does strengthen the resolve of men when fighting, not to mention that the men at the very least have a sort of placebo affect where they think this is true but I do believe that Sigmar indeed literally buffs up Soldiers when fighting.
Also when you fight Zombies, Rapegoats, Orcs and the Undead you can sort of get used to it to the point where you can avoid being terrified unless there is a creature literally in your face trying to eat you(The terror mechanic in game)

Also, Humans of the Warhammer World in general are just more badass and hardier, in the ancient past our ancestors worried about beasts, in the ancient past of the Warhammer World humans worried about Beastmen and mutated abominations of the Warp killing everyone. Farmers in the equivalent period of the Warhammer world worried about Wolves and invading humans, in the Warhammer World they worry about Necromancers, Beastmen, and Orcs fucking them up, along with the occasional monster. Even in small towns they are not always safe and can probably expect to have to deal with non Order races at least once, probably more often than that.

how do you handle enemy lords on higher battle difficulties? lord duels seem very unpredictable, even with investment into combat skills

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>>171145583

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>>171145292
They are not really mad, just abandoned by their brethen and left to die.

Also they did many mistakes by following ancient dorf rules, ie not upgrading&adapting themselves. Basicaly the same as acknowledging that the skavens outdone & outengineered non-chaos-dwarfs.

Once they did they were not that numerous, I don't think we will ever see an army made only with chaos dwarfs in it. At least they learn by mistakes.

>>171145583
Not really thats all fault of Orion-the-green-wanabee-beastmen. Fuck Orion

>>171145626
Play welves and snipe his ass

>>171138669
Well, beats any alternative they might have.

>>171145416

They have wronged us!

Does anybody else get serious chills while fighting battles as the Dwarfs? They are probably the only race in Warhammer that is truly Good and every battle is so fucking personal because of the generations of shit they've endured that when I think about it, killing Greenskins is so goddamn satisfying because THEY HAVE WRONGED US

>>171145812
>They are probably the only race in Warhammer that is truly Good
No. Just no.

The only race that can maybe be seen as good is Lizardmen, since they were made to fight Chaos.

>>171145812
>that is truly good


Their entire culture is based around disproportionate retribution.
They are part of the "good" guys with the Empire and arguably the Brets, by virtue of not wanting the entire world go to shit and just wanting to go on living, but they are far from actual good people.

>>171131213
awaken my ancestors

>>171143972
As long as you've taken all the appropriate territory and wiped out the vampires, you're done
I like purging all the evil factions in the name of Sigmar though

>start up a skarsnik campaign
>belegar just abandons the vaults and heads across to establish his power base in the badlands instead
this actually seems like a decent idea desu

>>171146071
That's not really bad though, I mean as long as you don't fuck with them they'll be the most reliant of allies.

>>171145812
they also would have handled chaos if the furries didnt wreck their entire civilization

>>171131213
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

>>171145920
Lizardmen aren't a force of good, they're a force of pure order. If the old ones' plan needed them to go and raze Estalia to the ground, they wouldn't think twice about it, and kill everyone who stood in their way.

Good and evil aren't even on their spectrum, they're completely outside that dichotomy.

>>171146175
Making a beeline for 8 peaks is usually better anyway, especially since you can just get a Waagh going to overcome anything in your way
Taking it slow and stealing Belegar's shit while he's out works just as well though

>>171131213
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

>>171146306
Order = Good in warhammer

>>171144871
>>171144412
>>171144386

Yet they have defined territories and a map with tribes, and their likely faction leader Greasus Goldtooth wants to create a Kingdom in the Mountains of Mourn and become Overtyrant of the whole range. You don't do that as a Horde. I could see their armies being semi hordes and perhaps allowing them to set up an encamp stance where they can build minor buildings but they are a faction with their own lands.

>>171146191
They slaughtered an entire city worth of people over getting """cheated""" out of their money.

Said money being the equivalent of 3 cents, which were mistakenly missing from the generous payment they received from said city.

drowning your enemies in a horde of gobbos is just a fun way to play though, you can support a silly amount of stacks when each one only costs like 2k tops, especially with the orc economy

>>171146486
THEY
HAVE
WRONGED
US

pay your bills umgi

>>171146361
No, Order=Good, Good=Good. You can be a force for Order, or a character for Order, without being Good. Empire is the best example I feel, they have evils and terrible attocities they commit(Not without good reason most of the time, yet sometimes things get carried away and the individual people can be bad) and are more Neutral/Grey with a tinge of Good yet are certainly through and through an Order faction.

What's the cuisines like for every faction?
I assume Bretonnia is baguettes and croissants and cheese and pate, can't figure out the rest.

>>171144721

Depends what your intended target is. If they have low melee defence, then weapon strength is great. If they have high wep defence, you need the melee attack or a way to debuff.

>>171146696
meant for
>>171146318

>>171146486
They didn;t Slaughter that "City", unless you are reffering to something I am not aware of, they were "Cheated" out of 3 gold(A magpie stole them IIRC) that they were owed after they had built a fine castle for a lord, and they in turn decided to go to the castle and Dismantle the thing brick by brick while making the lord watch.

>>171146725
You're wrong. Period.

>>171146725
Meant to say Order=/= Good.

>>171146882
There's one where they just destroy the castle, which wasn't the one I meant. There was one where they explicitly killed their employers, too.

Though it's hardly difficult to find cases of dawi retardation killing their allies and themselves.

>>171147028
The Dawi would Never betray their allies.

>>171146994
Uh okay then, Agree to disagree I suppose,

I need some help
Recently my game has been unable to recognize that rotwe exists. It does not mention it on the dlc page in-game and the theme is not present either. I have played through a campaign of wood elves and won, and now it doesn't appear.

>>171147254
Nah, he's an idiot and you don't agree to disagree, you tell them they're still wrong and that you're done trying to fix stupid.

>>171147228
The Dawi would never be allies with an Oathbreaker.

>>171142130
you need a ram you retard

>>171142820
>gets assassinated by some shitty dumb reddit rat scum
reeee

>>171147754
rams are less effective than just battering the gates with fists because of how slow they are
by the time the ram gets up to the gates you can have them knocked down already

>>171148469
this, just chew the gates open with a pack of fucking dogs if you're so inclined. they've made it all so casual there's no need for a ram, ever. it's not like they're going to even shoot you or drop boiling oil while you sit there safely under the gatehouse.

How do I stop my generals from getting the Arrogant trait in Attila?

>>171131149
from what i've read, if you just get him stuck in and let him rack up kills, you can cancel it out or get rid of it, not too sure since I didn't read too deeply into the trait system

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>>171144001

>>171131149
this happens when you cycle charge legendary lords/pull them out of melee when their health is low

>>171148738
It tends to happen when fighting alone against overwhelming odds and winning, or with heroic victories.

Alberic, you cuck hurry up and help me win the war you paid me to enter

>>171149358
>fighting alone against overwhelming odds and winning, or with heroic victories
Well shit

>>171149321
What.
I can't tell if you're serious or not.

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>>171149383
Picture of the cuck

>>171149487
Yep. Think Caesar winning nonstop in Gaul for 8 years and how worried the senate was about him. It's a max of -3 loyalty though, you can easily counter it.

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>>171134482
Shoo shoo Pygmy
The Warhammer world is not for you

>>171149506
serious
It might not be cycle charging; it might not be retreating from losing battles but it definitely has something to do with in-combat lord actions; I've only ever seen the trait on auto-resolves or battles where I had my lord in the thick of the melee

>>171149718
I see
Thanks anon

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>hitting the last army of a wiped out faction with sequential block army actions to laff as they die from attrition

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>>171150535
delet this

>>171150270
Well, shit. Never thought that some specific actions in combat could earn you traits.

>>171131149
Two triggers which cause Cowardice trait chance
wh_main_trig_general_not_fought_in_battle_player_only
wh_main_trig_hero_not_fought_in_battle_player_only
Obviously the same but one for heroes and the other for lords

The trigger logic is for Generals is...
return (not (char_is_general_with_army(context:character()) and context:character():faction():culture() == "wh_main_brt_bretonnia")) and char_is_general_with_army(context:character()) and context:character():faction():is_human() and ((context:pending_battle():attacker() == context:character() and not context:pending_battle():attacker_commander_fought_in_melee()) or (context:pending_battle():defender() == context:character() and not context:pending_battle():defender_commander_fought_in_melee()))

Please help anon. I'm playing as issabella and have managed to take Karak Hirn down to one settlement. I've sacked it but although it's their last one I can't vassalize them? Is it just the case that I can't have vassals? I had the same thing with wissenland.

>>171150759
I've got SFO installed and also am playing on VH.

Btw if you've not tried the Von Carsteins yet they're a lot more fun than Manfred.

>>171150759
You need the diplomatic options (vassal) mod.

In the pre-age of shitmar lore, how did Franz not realise Marienburg was free real estate ?

dont know if this is just the warhammer thread but in Rome 2 playing as rome early on is this a good 3 line battle formation?
vigilesx6
hastatix6
velitesx6
mounted general and a balista at the back

>>171151082
the following advertisement is for karl franz only

>>171151082
IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE, KARL

>>171126147
pee pee

>>171151193
19x principes
1x mounted general

Thank me later

>>171151051
I do? I can ask them to vassal on the diplomacy screen (they said fuck off) but I'm sure that in other campaigns I've had the option. I've not played much undead before though.

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>>171151082
Because it's none of your friggin business

>>171151421
Yes, what did you think I meant by

>You need the diplomatic options (vassal) mod.

>>171151532
I'm grateful I was for some reason sire this was a normal option. Can only some races be vassilized by particular other races? It makes sense I guess that orcs wouldn't be vassals of the Empire or something. If so is there a chart someplace?

>>171151721
Obviously I'm mistaken though. So I learnt a thing. Thanks anon.

>>171151721
Not sure, just one of CA's random acts of madness without method. Just get the mod and make those beards munch on 400 year old pussy.

>>171151917
Surely Vlad keeps it clean, if he refuses to touch even filthy hands.

>>171151917
I wonder who I can vassalize withput the mod? Manlet and Mousillion I guess are it. Interesting but irrelevant as I'll get that mod. If anyone does know anything about lore reasons why I'd be interested to learn.

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>Unbreakable Alliances & Vassals mod

BOUT FUCKIN TIME LADS

RED DUKE AND BRETONNIA ALLIANCE WHEN?

NOW!

>>171152175
This. Good thing hair wouldn't grow on a dead woman. Isabella's smooth as an egg.

>>171126064
I'm sick of Vlad Daddy

>>171152736
GOBBOS

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>that sound when you open the great book

>>171126064
here we go again

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*record scratch*

>>171154694
How did he get himself into this situation?

>>171154694
OUR HORSES LOVE BLOOD so why haven't you gotten the dlc?

Are pox arrows just a straight upgrade over regular arrows? And is there any real benefit to the fire arrow versions?

>>171155425
yes
stops regen

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Vargheist nerf when?

>>171156097
BUMBLING OAFS employed at The Creative Assembly love the SILLY VC too much to MATURELY nerf any of their SHIT

Are battle difficulty settings broken?

I'm on vh/n but the enemy units are still getting + 10 leadership.

jesus christ mousillon has 3 full stacks just standing there.
how do I take them out? I am nowhere near being able to maintain enough units.

>>171156456
campaign difficulty messes with leadership; battle difficulty modifies other shit

>>171156580
they'll be 2/3rds zombies and basic skellies; ie. absolute trash

>>171156580
Kill them
Braise them

>>171156097
>VC
>getting a nerf
>ever
I really hope CA doesnt like a different warhammer faction more than VC because if they do they're going to be completely fucking broken, as opposed to the pretty broken that VC is.

>>171156974
Imagine if CA liked Greenskins

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>Total War pathfinding

I really feel bad when I lose whole units of longbeards. There can't be too many of those guys left. Fuck

>>171158158
they still hug walls on corners in current games; though they dont walk straigh into buildings

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Why are ambushes a meme in this game?

They are so rare to get off, I tried to do it maybe 25 times and it only worked 3 times. The AI is also pretty rare on ambushes. They only used them twice in one campaign and it was both times beastmemes.

>>171158158
>optimistic; flanks secure

>>171157392
Imagine if CA liked developing smart AI and interesting battle dynamics

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It is now March. Athel Loren grows restive, casting aside the austere serenity of Gaurach-Dúin. The boughs and brambles tremble, and through the glades and hollows the spites whisper of Spring.

The Eternal Queen, recumbent in her pleasure, awaits the attentions of her rejuvenated Consort-King. The first outriding of the cycle yields rich game, youths flush with the iridescent bloom of pox and prepubescence. Cherry blossoms flutter their brief glories across the Eternal Realm. And still more. The fey giggle of a return, a recovery of what was once lost. The sacred trustees, deputized by their Queen to carry out the vulgar realities of reign, are poised to return from the Dreaming Wood.

Sisters of Twilight Soon.

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>>171159140
Because they almost always guarantee a win, even when you have pisspoor troops

The real use of ambushes is dragging the AI out of towns by hiding your army.

>>171159418
This meme was never good, and its a sad day that an unannounced faction is more popular than an ingame one

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>>171159143

>slaughter a unit until there's like 3 guys left
>Encouraged; victory is a distinct possibility

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>>171151216
>>171151258

BY THE ELECTOR COUNTS, KARL

COME

get your free real estate

What happens if you lose Eight Peaks as dwarfs?

Do you maintain the buff, or do you get the increased upkeep back?

Curious if you can run over and take it then abandon it.

>>171159140

You need to set ambush in the right terrain. If you keep your mouse still when looking at movement you can see the % of being discovered. You want to use 70% areas, which are usually tree terrain.

>>171159929
Tfw Marienburg isn't like this in game

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>>171159929
r u tryin to trik me

Has anyone seen the Bretonnia AI get and use the green knight? even though he's op as fuck i think it would be kinda lame if he never showed up except when a human is controlling a bret faction.

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>>171159140
>>171159140

God breasts must be such a pain in the ass to have attached to your chest. I love them, but im glad I don't have them myself.

>>171159320
Imagine if CA had someone do the pathing instead of entering random code they find on pastebin.

>>171161323
I heard the bigger they are the more they cause painful back problems to women too.

>>171161154
yes

So how am I supposed to do early game bretonniaa? I generally turn 2 raze that one ork in the mountain but then marienburg rushes out with its doom stack that my peasants cant beat.

>tfw total war warhammer is so fucking boring

>>171162129

Farm the rebellions for free levels and money.

WHat I do is turn 1 walk my army to the east coast and recruit what I can, turn 2 cross the river to marienburg's minor settlement, turn 3 take it and then peace out marienburg for as much money as they'll give me. Then I go back home and farm rebellions while also fending off the orcs and getting the diplomacy techs.

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>>171126064
Pls dwarf or vampire

>>171161726

Women really did get to shitty end of the stick physically speaking.

Tits cause back pain and get in the way, pregnancy and birth is shit, periods each month, and it's hard for them to have orgasms. Their orgasms supposedly feel better than a dudes, but I'm not sure that makes up for the other shit

Can Bretonnia not unlock Salthorael?

Finished a campaign as MUH ENCHANTRESS and I get no bird man

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I think the AI might be stuck
I think I might get a timer victory specifically because the AI is stuck

realistically the AI shouldnt have had this army to attack me with; AI essentially cheated with its last hero coming back from the dead when it was their last army; then summoned a new 2k health lord to attack my garrison with
Does this mean it's moral to abuse the AI getting stuck on stealth mechanics?