/svg/ - Shadowverse General

in this thread we make well thought-out arguments

no strawmen allowed

>>171045243
no

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This game needs more art. I'm tired of seeing the same shit every thread.

>>171045085
Help pls

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>>171044557

OH HEY DID I FORGET TO MENTION THAT FOREST GOT A 3PP "AUTOWIN-AGAINST-AGGRO-WHEN-PLAYED-ON-CURVE-AMULET" SO SHITTY ROACH COMBO DECKS DONT EVEN NEED AN EARLY GAME OR OTHER 2PP FOLLOWERS?

AND CYGAMES DIDNT GIVE ANYTHING THIS GOOD TO OTHER CLASSES FOR THEIR COMBO DECKS.

Literally, how can Forest players be so up their own asses that they keep defending this garbage.

What's the difference between masters and AA3?

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Chaos Ship

Silver Bloodcraft Follower

5 PP 3/4

Fanfare : Summon a random follower that costs 2 play points or less from your deck. If Vengeance is active. Summon 2 random followers that costs 2 play points or less instead.


>your opponent is playing control blood and the ship summons 2 of pic related

What do?

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I want to fuck vampy

>implying Albert Sword, the best Sword, will use any of the new Tempest cards other than Luminous Mage
kys C0 shitters

>>171045348
thx m8

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BEAST DOM LEADER WHEN?

>>171045396
Ethereal and hit his face with Atomy for lethal

>>171045364
Forest is the protagonist class. Why wouldn't they be top tier?

>>171045396
>5pp
Themis

"albert pls carry my craft in the next expansion like otohime"


t.unga shitter

>>171045413
You have problems.

>>171045413
You can't fuck fictional characters you retard

>>171044680
>broken shit? Gawain? A slow ass Spellboost: Reduce cost by 1 that needs an evo point otherwise he dies next turn. Luminous Mage? A powercreep'd Monika that can evolve itself for free and then dies next turn so you will never use it to evolve other followers unless you play him with Albert on Turn 10. Roland? Frontguard General is better, Roland's amulet is almost useless in the late game.

You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.

Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?

I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

>>171045457
FUCKING SCANS WHEN???

>>171045396
Now, will the ship trigger fanfares or not?

>>171045418
>>171045105
At least address the post you are refering to directly, instead of throwing the good old "Enjoy your 3 more months of Elana and Midsword" like a retard.

>>171045370
Master is at least 5 times harder than AA3
All the players in Masters are absolute pros and missplays are a rare occurrence

They make AA3 look like a walk in the park

>>171045562
>You're a fucking moron if you think Luminous Mage is bad.
Please quote the part where I call Luminous Mage bad. Fucking retard.

>>171045370
Not much, although I suppose you stop getting paired with A rank shitters altogether at that point.

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Why aren't you playing the best version of Dirt Rune?

>>171045396
stop doing it . blood will never be able to use any shit besides stabdart aggrobat

>>171045598
All blood card makes sense is not like daria or albert evo t9

>>171045396
>randomly random a random random, random again if condition
I give it two expansions before we're literally hearthstone.

>>171045598
No. It summons them, it does not play them. Just like how Saha does not trigger fanfares.

>>171045632
this is a joke right

>>171045547
well, he did say he WANTS to, not that he will

>>171045598
no goddamnit, shit like that never does

fanfare only activates when played from the hand by using pp (even if 0) and not through effects

>>171045598
Fanfares only activate when played from hand with PP. The ship sticks them onto your board directly from your deck, like Nep does.

>>171045632
This guy is baiting

>>171045598
kys

Is Themis useful for Storm Haven?

If not, would 2x Seraph be enough for an archetype deck or do you need three?

>>171044848
>>Daria's overall win rate is just barely holding at 50%
>>Dirt and Dshift are both negative and always have been even pre-patch

And yet most of the top 100 is STILL Dshift.

It's almost as if Dshift's disgusting winrate in the Top 1000 is brought down by all the idiots at lower ranks who can't pilot the deck.

>>171045632
Don't say things like that, people might actually believe you

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>Albert with ward

NICE FUCKING GAME.

>>171045681
>they always bring HS to the thread

>>171045632
>>171045646
Getting mixed signals. So is it worth the hassle of rushing through AA3 or not?

>>171045634

So why are you disagreeing with me then when you fully acknowledge sword is getting all these fucking busted new cards?

>>171045598

No, because there's never been any precedent of that happening?

You'd use it to pull Vampy, the new gold 2-drop imps, or maybe even Yurius

Which makes me want to ask the anon who made an explosive castle turn deck before it got hit by gobu nerf. Do you think chaos ship work as a replacement? I'm curious.

>>171045780
Or maybe it's because dshift is a deck that loses to storm decks which everyone runs right now

>let's play take two
>easy modo swordcraft
>draft is nothing special
>guess I can push two or even three win with some luck
>a fucking 5-0 for the first time
Not sure if I was just extremely lucky or my deck was actually pretty good and I need improve my card valuation skill, but it sure feel so good, especially when last two game was very tight.
Also holy shit, I didn't expected you got 280 rupies for 5 wins.

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>>171045805
>on two bodies so you can't simply use hard removal on it, while also having enough defense to be over every board clear other than Themis and Revelation

>>171045646
A ranked shitters are a liability to your rating, since bad draws are more of a problem than skill in this game. It's easier to rank up when you face nothing but low master players, due to the bonus rating from winning and less rating from losing.

>>171045835
The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
Fucking hell you fight Master players literally all the time in AA3.

>>171045805
>Turn 10
>Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers

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let's try and diverge a little from the expansion and ask ourselves

if you could improve the ladder system, or revamp it entirely, what would be the best to keep the game competitive and making it so high ranks actually matter in terms of skill?

>>171045780
Ah yes skillful good decks will be brought down to the negatives by less skilled players, that's why OTK Roach was always leagues ahead of Daria with 55%+ win rate

>>171046020
Montly resets or at least downgrades (i.e one letter grade) would help a lot. However, the rating system itself would have to be redesigned to take less rating per rank, it's clear that it takes a fuckton of rating at the high ranks purely because it never resets.

>>171045632
>tfw you're an absolute pro who keeps forgetting he's going first and plays his evolve effect followers turn 4 to get shit on

>>171046020
destroy the ladder and make monthly tourny where everyone fight with a mmr to win rewards.

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>>171045805
BETTER HEALS THAN HAVEN

>>171045971
It's an autowin button, basically.

>>171045942

Go watch any Top 1000 Dshift streamer and watch them get 50% winrates against every aggro deck besides shadow.

On top of that the deck obviously makes mincemeat out of control decks.

SO HEY LETS GIVE RUNE ANOTHER FUCKING SPELLBOOST TUTOR TO BALANCE THINGS

>>171046020
Best 2 out of 3
Sideboard
Matches give more points/you need less points overall to rank up so it's not such a massive grind this way

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>>171045764
This list from a master player runs it. I however never played it and take no responsibility for it.

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>>171045993
>Has to actually work to reduce enemy health because forest has a grand total of 2 other storm followers
>ROACH HAS PROBLEMS DEALING 10 DAMAGE

>>171045364
The counterplay to the amulet is to simply not attack, just build a board so WoTF can't clear well and you can resume your unga in a couple turns.

If you're worried about them dropping a second one then play Execution instead of DoD, it'll probably be the correct meta call anyway since there will be greedy control decks experimenting with Test of Strength for sure.

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>tfw he doesn't have a second Dshit

>>171045985
>The only real difference between AA3 and Master is the amount of time you have to grind to reach it and you're locked into Master once you get there.
The sheer amount of exp needed is holding me back for now, yeah. Do you even get free packs and stuff at the end of season for being master rank?

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Sort of new to the game. How is my aggro blood list? Any changes that should be made?

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>>171046020
playing haven, rune, dragon (if using forte as leader) or sword gives you zero (0) ladder points.

>>171046152
People stream this game?
Never watched a stream of it before might check it out

>>171046020
go to bed eliza

>>171046110
How the hell would downgrades help anything?

>>171046020
Add real MMR system and placement matches, while also resetting ranks every X time.

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Cows!!!

>>171045920
>Luminous Mage
>busted
Maybe in a world without Daria and Elf Queen, you shitter.

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>>171045805
>>171046150

Game is literally fucking Forestverse now.

What the fuck were the devs thinking?

>>171045809
Cygames has done that themself.

>>171045691
So if it summons say, 2 blood wolves

they wont consume HP but will have storm,correct?

>>171046245
remove MSD and test bloodpact in the deck since you are using Dark General

>>171046375
with their pedo dicks obviously.

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>>171046331
>cows

>>171046180
>Just ignore his board this turn, flood your board with trash, hit face and leave you're board with 1/1s
>Meanwhile sword
>T5, T6, T9 Albert
>Win

>>171046426
yes exactly

What's the most bullshit T2 deck you've faced?

ARE YOU ENJOYING FORESTVERSE GUYS???

>>171046426

Correct.

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>>171046192

>Just don't attack for turns 4 and 5 as aggro
>Still possible to win

What did he mean by this?

>>171046438
Blood pact in aggro blood seems iffy

>>171046528
You mean Swordverse?
I don't get why everyone is still whining about how Forest is overpowered, they're tier 2 now.

>>171046528
As long as I don't have to see Levi, yes.

>>171046528

Hey, whatever, just means I don't have to put up with Runeverse

>>171046245
try 3 angel of the word or even crazed executioner over msd since you have dark generals, cut a demonic strike and add a night horde, then one more cut

>>171046528
>posters making a big deal out of card reveals again
>expansion hits
>nothing happens
just another pre-expac season in /svg/

>>171046604
>they're tier 2 now
And tier 0 in the near future, friendo.

>>171046485
Yeah, it's not like Forest can go turn 5 Tia -> turn 6 Fairy Beast heal for 6+ -> turn 7 Queen heal for 15+
Good luck getting enough damage in to kill with Albert on 9.

>>171046573
just demonic strike bro

>>171046604
Are you talking about runeverse? they have 2 archetypes that are cancer.

>>171045562
>Who cares if Luminous Knight dies the next turn when her effect ONLY LASTS ONE TURN ANYWAYS?
>I swear Sword players don't even know the cards in their own deck.

But nobody fucking plays Luminous Knight now.

>>171046285

Just watch someone like failgun or soulkek or any of the numerous Asian Dshift streamers.

They get CONSISTENT wins against aggro on top basically free wins against control.

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>>171046331
i want to grab forte by the horns and tenderly breed her!

>>171046375
RIP 5 am anon.

>>171046485
>Has to waste 3 evolve
>meanwhile I can just bounce creatures and get a 8/9ward on turn 4
>Albert comes out on the opponent's turn and dies lmao

>all these shitters complaining about rune when Havenserve is getting more retard OP cards

>>171046683
This already happens with Elana Haven for me, I can't fucking kill it no matter what, they always heal back any face damage I do, and trading is useless too.

>>171046745
I never played dshift since I have no merlins but I'll check the stream

>>171046581
>>171046438

Blood pact in aggro is just bad.

Serpent Charmer is far superior if you want self-damage in aggro.

>>171046721
muh otk castle meme

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>>171046746
>You will never facefuck dorke while using her horns as handles

>>171046524
Double bahamut and themis good enough? i won
Also i drafted haven with double moon bunny, olivia and double jeanne in a private match and my friend left accidentally before the match so the deck went boom.

>>171046826
Rune's problems aren't about how Rune is overpowered, Rune completely fucks over one archetype and their ridiculously skewed match-ups just enforce match-up roulette on ladder hard. It's a very poorly designed class.
Except Earth Rite, which is just a bit underpowered but can still hold its own. And hilariously gets fucked by DShift.

>>171046826
Get off the internet, Luna.

>>171046837
>trading is useless too.
Trading is not useless, it's what you are supposed to do with Elana. You can't let them set up a board.

>>171046020
-Drop everyone to A0 every set release
-Increase minimum point loss so you always drop at least 100 points past B rank, add winstreak bonuses below masters, and reset rank achievements (ie 100 gold per sub-rank increase)
-Masters rewards start one month after set reset, run every month until the next set, and reset points each month
-Actually step in and change cards in a timely manner if something is completely breaking the meta instead of waiting 2 months

I'd also like to see an in-game tournament system that requires gold buy-in.

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which one?

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Pedophiles go home!!

>>171046992
Eventually their turns will have enough mana where they can create creatures from hand that are essentially unkillable
That's about when you want to be hitting board clears of the absolute variety, but there can be a few turns there where you simply can't

>game is dragonverse
>dragon can drop baha t6 and just win

lulz nice game

>>171046364
>>171046721

This new card is basically Assault Commander that gets a free EVO to clear a body on top of even more value IF a commander is on the board already.

Shit is going to be in every sword deck except the Maidcraft maybe.

>>171047043
Rowen - Middle

>>171046683
>T5 Tia
Dies to removal
>T6 fairy beast
Because you have much of a hand when you need to stack your deck for the early game to not get run over
>T7 queen
Where the fuck are you going to get 15+ shadows on T7

forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

im glad its strong (not strongest)

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>game is so balanced everyone is complaining about every class

>>171047043
dragon > haven > blood

>>171047089
Well yeah, he's a powercreep'd version of Monika, basically. But that's the only real new Sword staple I'm seeing so far.

>>171046170
Thanks man

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>>171046010
Praythegayaway/10

>>171047043
dragon

>>171047138
>forest is the hardest class to play to be honest

Are you kidding me?

Tempo Forest is just refined unga. That's all it is.

>>171047143
Nobody complains about the trash that is Shadow. Nobody in high masters plays it.

>>171047023
Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
I like rank being permanent, it keeps the top players where they belong and it also means you don't have to constantly grind ladder. Making everyone drop ranks would just make ladder even grindier

>>171047043
Whichever your dailies ask of you.

If nothing, then go with blood. Some of the most fun games I've had in T2 were comebacks due to vengeance. It's a bit harder to draft for blood, though.

If you're new, go with dragon. Probably the simplest to draft for.

>>171047143
>everyone
90% of the general are unga swords and luna pedos

>>171047216
>what are Dragon players

So what's the general opinion on Jungle Bungle? Broken? Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?

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>>171047143
>people complaining about all the classes
mfw sitting here playing discard dragon. it's fun

>>171046010
I don't get this meme
Pussy boy complaining about getting his ass kicked?

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>>171047143
that's because everyone is a shitter who only plays one craft

who /atleast1deckforeverycraft/ here?

>>171047143
I hate balanced and diverse games is impossible to tech against when nothing is common.

>>171047321
Just Odin the Khawy bro.

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>100 crystals per pack and 150 per arena ticket
W-what?

>>171047125
>>171047147
>>171047195
>>171047236

I probably want the dragon that fucking blows the entire board up right? He sounds awesome

>>171047326
>Albert with ward for Forest
You answer.

>>171047326
Broken on turn 10, instant win.

>>171047143

No one, i repeat NO ONE, complains about blood.

Blood is literal dogshit mate.

>>171047374
2wymin using menstrual blood to lie in the internet

>>171047445
he is more midrange. with a strong midgame bu

>>171047387
Me, but I use memeshit like Snowman Rune and JO Crystal because I don't have Darias or Dorks. Even my sword deck has trash cards like Leonidas and Otohime.

I see people are talking about a supposed "albert with ward for forest" Did forest get a 5pp 9pp(enhance) 3/5 storm ward?

>>171047525
>25/25 for 5 mana
>not absolute cancer

>>171047445
If you're offered bahamut, he's almost an insta-pick. There's only a few cards (depending on what you get with bahamut especially) that would make me reconsider.

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>>171047445
>forgot pic

>>171047326
What is this new Forest card everyone's talking about?

>>171047525
Shitters complain about aggro blood though

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>>171047387
Right here.

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>>171047409
>using crystals outside of the daily deal for packs

That's the one thing I'd criticize about the game, outside of sales and stuff packs are just a tad too expensive. Otherwise I'd shill the fuck out of this game.

>>171047445
That dragon that fucking blows the entire board is Neutral tho

>>171047326

The people saying this won't be busted are the same people who said Albert wouldn't be good.

>>171047525
>Blood is literal dogshit mate.
>t5 win is bad
>the best deck to win against all aggro and tempo rune

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4PP Follower
1/2 → 3/4
Fanfare: Deal 2 damage to a random enemy follower. Give +2/+0 to a random other allied follower.

>that 2 damage cannot go dome, just like other cards like Cannon Support or Zoe

Maybe being a balanced follower (4PP for goblin stat? Come on now) might just make this unplayable.

>>171047409
You get a guaranteed pack in take two and around 50 gold at average wins, what's your problem?

>>171047553
They got a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm

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>>171047387
Here too

>>171047596

It's a fucking meme card unless they include a tech to fix vengeance.

59362

Concede please

>>171047553
It got a better card

>>171047612

Why don't you keep yourself updated with the third link in the OP?

>>171046010
Looks like catsup

>>171047532
>Leonidas
>thrash
Stop.

>>171047596

>can't use chaos ship
>have to give up t5 (Or at least settle for taking out only one unit
>have to not get lethaled by board+damage from hand when in vengeance

The potential is strong, but so are Atomeme decks, and look at how they do.

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Alright /svg/,

Can you find the Lethal?

>>171047326
it's a very strong card stuck in a class that has better wincons.

roach decks and tempo forest would rather run feena and tia still and wolfbolt is better off just relying on them as well. they're giving control forest a lot of support so it should be a viable deck, i just doubt it'll be better than decks that rely on roach.

a control heavy deck won't have room for fairy generators, especially with all the good cards they've been given. this means they can't reasonably run tia or roach and have them be effective, maybe it'll be good at dealing with aggro but it'll be weak against other control decks that have better removals.

>>171047612
4/5 5pp

ward

enhance(10): summon another and give them all storm

>>171047727
That's pretty good, but not as good as Albert in my opinion. Just slightly.

>>171047727
>a 5pp 4/5 Ward with Enhance (10): summon another copy and give all copies storm
Please be joking.

>>171047817
>turn 9 do nothing compared to balanced Albert of 10 face damage and damage immunity

>>171047230
>it keeps the top players where they belong
Because masters isn't top players, there are tons of shitters who spammed some OP deck months ago or people who just hard grinded with a 45% WR and eventually won enough in a row to advance. These people need to be kicked back out every few months and forced to prove there belong there again.

They can ease the grind by adding winstreak bonuses above B rank, which they should have anyway since it currently punishes people who just want monthly rewards and didn't sandbag B forever.

>>171047326
>turn 10
>in turn8/9verse
pointless

>>171047729
>>171047387
>>171047532
>>171047628
I hope you feel good about that, you luckpull shitters.

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what pick svg?
the supreme meme or the value

>>171047834
Evolve bat, play fortress, hit face

>>171047834
It's not exactly hard.

>>171047834

Evo a bat, go full on face, vamp fort, barrage

They die to Yurius's effect next turn.

>>171047834
evolve bat drop fortress and play angelic. He kills himself on his amulet.

>>171047880

>turn 5 6/7 ward is nothing

Yes, you need an EP, but guess what? Forest has a card to generate them in ToG.

>>171047957
>luckpull
>LUCK
Pure skill.

>>171047793
Thanks vampy-chan

>>171047834
i hope this is a parody of when ppl posted their roach lethals, and even those were embarrassingly easy

>>171047230
>Why does everyone want to drop ranks?
Autism.

Rank drops are a terrible idea.

>>171047915
>turn 9 do nothing
>implying
Back to B1 with you. You can't be this stupid.

>>171048129
A ladder that never resets isn't really a ladder at all. I mean it's fine if you like the current system, but it's pretty dysfunctional.

>>171047326
>Is /svg/ embarrassing itself again like with Maahes?
Yes.

>>171047683
Man, she's so much better than her sister. Those ears are just too cute.

>>171047932
But they could just spam OP decks to get back there.
The fundamental problem here is 1 game ladder matches don't require much skill, if any at all, and you can make it to top ranks by playing an easy, OP deck (Sword) all the time. Shadowverse does not require nearly as much skill as people in this thread seem to wish it did. Making players drop rank would not fix the problem; it would just repeat the cycle. Everyone would play the no-effort OP deck of the set to get to Master easy, and then when they get kicked out they'd do it all over again. Literally nothing changes. If anything, this incentivizes people even MORE to play the easy top tier decks.
Rank drops are a shitty idea.
>>171048186
Master has its own ranked ladder that does reset though.

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>>171047683

>Cutest Waifu is unplayable
>EVRY SINGLE TIME

Cygames....

>>171048237
Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe they just need a tutorial explaining what the ranks mean, so people recognize the ladder isn't really a ladder until Masters.

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I did it /svg/!

>>171048186
There's the ladder at master that works that way, isn't it?

Kicking some guy who spent months grinding back to A0 or whatever seems just a source of frustration.

>take two
>get offered humpty dumpty
>humpty dumpty is actually a card in this game

>>171048391
Yes anon

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>>171048363
>unplayable
>implying

>>171048391
Actually a decent T2 card desu

>>171048391
>Not knowing about the legend himself
You're not gonna crack him, are ya?

>>171048370
>soul conversion floating
congrats shadowbro! the duel never ends.

>>171048212
>>171048363

The problem is that she is in Shadowcraft, and therefore needs to be balanced, If she was in Forestcraft, she would probably be a 2/2 -> 4/4 for 4PP.

>>171048367

I mean I guess this is sort of needed? It seems kind of obvious to anyone with half a brain though.

>>171048478
>>171048480

I picked him, he seems pretty good. I hope I don't have to crack him in a match :(

>>171048391
>not picking t2 decks to be a close as possible to JO dragon

>>171048493
And get reduced cost for playing fairies

>>171048493

Well if she was in Rune she could be good too but Blood, Dragon and Shadow waifus MUST be bad.

>>171048493
If she was blood probaly would deal 15 damage to the. own face

>>171048493
>>171048584
You guys know that not every Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

>>171047387
I try to, but I honestly can't stand trying to play some of them sometimes. Aggro Blood just gets fucked sideways in the higher ranks, and I don't have enough experience with Haven to offset its dumpster tier win rates.

>>171048723
Storm haven is pretty easy (and good)

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>>171048662
>Forest card is broken and that there are plenty of completely dogshit Forest cards, right?
>And that Shadow has its own fair of dumb shit, right?

>>171048662

So a 5PP 4/5 ward with late game potential is dogshit, anon?

>lurching corpse and attendant cannot trade except with wards

>>171048473
Suck my dick Elizabeth.

>>171048653
15 damage own face for 4 mana is pretty good with mary.

FUCK Jungle Protector. At least with Bahamut dropped on Turn 10 you could still play around it and win, but this, this is bullshit.

>>171048662
Yes better storms that sword and better heals than haven oh so bad

>>171048237
How is everyone sitting at masters forever any better? It's already at the point where I just laugh at the clickbait 'X wins in masters!!', because I've seen some of the shitters on streams that made it to masters. Within a few more months it's not going to mean anything, and that's a problem.

>>171048493
>implying Khawy is balanced
Luna pedos should just kill themselves. They are the biggest crybabies ever and, unlike Dragon and Blood players, they have no right to be whining.

>>171048819
>8 mana play a 5/5, a 5/5 that respawns, destroy your opponent's highest attack creature, gain life equal to that creature's attack, and deal 3 to their board
sir???

>>171048493
You have khawy, you have an 11 damage turn 6 combo, and you're getting an upcoming 2 mana 2/2 effect: shit on anyone not playing board flood. Why are you pretending shadow is balanced again?

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>>171048902

>two jungle book cucking bahamut even if you remove either one

BEAR NECESSITIES

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>>171047683
>>171048363
>there are people who actually think orthrus isn't a good card

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>When the dailies hit just right

M O N E Y
O
N
E
Y

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>>171048849
>>171048934
>Say not every Forest card is broken
>Immediately only talk about the good cards
You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.
Except Sword
And pretending Shadow doesn't have some completely ridiculous bullshit up their sleeves is hilarious. Shadow isn't even that bad, you guys are complete fucking whiners.

>>171049019
SHADOW NEEDS TO BE THE BEST
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A SLIGHLTY UNFAVORABLE MATCHUP WITH HAVEN?

>>171048902
Frontguard General and even Roland blocks both of them.

>>171049027
What if enchance effect removed ward? nobody would give a shit

>>171049019

>2 mana 2/2

Wait, you're telling me you have Shadows to spend on Soulsquasher or something

>>171049004

>Khawy is broken shit!

Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?

>>171049116
But the 6 bazingolions of last words banished inDE?????

>>171049007
>balor

>>171049149
Zeus too :^)

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>>171048391
>he doesn't know

>>171049019
Don't forget they have one of the best legendaries in the game and legendary so good she has a deck built around her.
But no apparently Shadow is dumpster tier like pre-DE Haven was.

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w-we'll still get yurius and veight tier cards r-right

>>171049116
>You guys are fucking idiots. Every class gets garbage cards, and I'm not just talking about the filler commons.

Name one blood card besides Razory Claw that could be considered broken or overpowered?

You literally can't.

>>171049106

>requiring a follower on board to be good

There is Urd, Necroass and now Orthrus. You telling me they are not going to be active in removing your board.

Orthrus' fanfare is good, but her stat is abysmally bad because it has to be balanced out.

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6 GORILLION OF BANISHED MORDECAIS

>>171049194
>Last time I do dailies with dragon, Luna put out 3 Kawaii and still lost even with 13 heal to face. What does that make me?
It's a 25% winrate. Someone has to be lucky enough to win, eventually.

>>171049363
>yurius
>vampy
ant these cards should be nerfed they are too overstattedand there are aggroblood cards withtout both

>>171047851
Control forest is going to remain absolute meme tier until they give it a board clear.

>>171049363
demon commander laura has potential, especially with rune blade summoner

>>171049116
You could show pretty much anything in RoB for Forestcraft. What ended up seeing play, Wolf (which was meme tier until Roach OTK got nerfed) and Selwyn's Command? Which is just a weaker Novice Trooper since nobody actually ever wants to waste 8PP the get the Grand Faggot Selwyn?

>>171048819
Fujiwara should win

>>171047596

Who the fuck in their right mind is going to stay in vengeance for more than a turn.

I feel like the usual scenario this is going to be played is going to be a 5 mana "Summon 2 5/5s" at which point is a Zinitra that costs an Evo point in order to "Combo".

>>171049019
surely you don't mean soulsquasher

>>171049116
Sword has rogue's creed and castle in the memes forest nigger.

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So what's the best variant of Satan Dragoncraft? Pendant spell memes, traditional ramp, or super low curve for 100% accurate Emissaries?

>>171049363
Yurius

>>171049445

Oh noes. One bad matchup for Rowen!

While non-aggro shadow gets
>dirt rune
>seraph
>dshift

Yeah, Kawaii will do something about those matchups, really.

>>171049363
What are you talking about?
I just said every class gets some bad cards. I'm saying Shadow players complaining that their filler uncommon wasn't broken and if it were a Forest card it would definitely be overpowered, despite the fact that Forest has gotten TONS of shit cards.
Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

>>171049116
>forestnigger using resorting to le sword boogeyman when they get a better albert
It just doesn't work anymore.

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>>171049115
And I got this ty cygames

You know... Humpty Dumpty aside what the heck are the rewards for Take 2? I see each win gives a better chest - do you queue until you lose 3 times or until you play all 5 matches regardless of the score?

>>171049434
... so she's a good card then
the fuck is all this talk about her being "unplayable"

>>171049363
If 2 mana, deal 3 damage and take 2 is broken, what does that make Levi?

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>>171049546
anon

>>171049346
I really don't get this meme. Belphegor is the best blood Legendary so far.

>b-but 10hp
It activates your class mechanic for you while drawing 2 cards and having overstatted body. You can do T5 Devil+Drain to recover the HP you lost or T5 Bel+Drain will work too. What class can burst you from 10 HP in T4/T5? If you're not literally passing the T2 and T3 using Bel on T4 won't you.

Also, she has no downside if you're in vengeance unlike Soul Dealer.

>>171049564
Does 10 mana satan spell one-shot with JO on board?

>>171049769
yes

>>171049753
t6 albertand lose and the enemy uses a themis

nice game

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>>171049614
>Everyone knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every expansion.

Thanks anon, it feels good to finally hear a non-blood player admit that.

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So based on all the revealed cards so far what is your personal tierlist?

>T0
Sword
>T1
Forest,Rune,Shadow
>T2
Haven,Blood,Dragoneutral

>>171049718

Requiring a follower AND having a stats of a Goblin. I'd personally hate to topdeck into her without a board.

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>>171049705
It was a joke anon.
Everyone gets bad cards. Not all cards can be good, and not all cards are even designed to be good. It's the nature of card games. Of course Sword has garbage cards like everyone else.
But fucking hell Sword does get a lot less bad cards than everyone else. Literally the only class without a shitty legendary

>>171049753
It's not Albert tier so it's shit according to /svg/.

>>171049194
>ugh i'm going to have to play our new 3 damage 2 mana removal that can summon minions instead of undying resentment just so I can destroy my opponent's evolved endgame legend for free

>>171049882
just test of strength bro

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>She banishes white general instead of fervid the turn before
This girl makes for some surprising bursts.

>>171049898
Forest might be 0, but besides that, yea

>mention that a card in shadow is not very good
>dragoncucks instantly storm your post with cries of "BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY BUT KHAWY"
>thread gets polluted with dragoncucks fighting lunapedos
This is fucking hilarious.

>>171049884
>>171049614

>e knows Blood sucks, if anyone gets to whine it's Blood; they've earned it. They've been the worst class in the game every exp

stop this hurts

>>171050090
every control deck that isn't haven hates nep, it's not just dragon

>>171049898
>T2
>Haven
NIce meme'd my humpty dumpty

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It's pretty disgusting that Lion ended up being a better aggro card than stall one.

>>171050090

They really need a Rahab, I mean, a rehab.

>>171050170
That's not true.
Dirt Rune loves Nep. Free wins are nice.

>>171050090
>>mention that a card in shadow is not very good
except that they were whining about how shadow cards 'need to be balanced' you undercover gothic pedo

Aegis Haven will have 40% winrate and yet /svg/ will whine about it forever.

Mark my words.

>>171049954
What do you call Alexander then?

>>171050294
No one cares about Aegis anymore.

>>171050253
It'd be one thing if it were one of their legendaries.
But it was a fucking filler uncommon, like come on. Who cares if an uncommon sucks?
I hate Shadowfags.

>>171050253

>4PP 1/2 is not ballanced

Show me another high PP card with similar or lesser stats that does not have a Lastwords that hides a bigger body.

>>171050253
regardless of that, just know that whenever someone mentions "shadow" or "khawy", the thread will derail into dragonfags fighting shadowfags, and that'll continue until the next expansion and maybe even longer

>>171050053
you guys remember when they revealed wolf+bolt abd everyone was like that guy?

>>171050363
Alexander is not bad, retard, it was just outclassed. It was used by CSword on DE.

>>171050363
Alexander is average at worst right now and could easily be slotted into CSword, and was a meta card in DE. Sometimes I wish I had Alexander instead of Cyclone Blade.
When I say Sword has no shitty legendaries, I mean each of their legendaries saw competitive play in at least tier 2 decks.

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>switch to japanese voices
>VAMPY CHAN HAS AUTISM CHAN DESU NE CHAN :-D
>NIGGER NIGGER GOBU(?) Dx
>TEEHEE SUGOI SUGOI : 3
>G-GAMBARIMASU >W<

God this shit is fucking cancer.

>>171050396

>sister of an established legendary
>why can't you accept that she can be a shit card

It's Emmara Tandris all over again.

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>retards playing Ramp when Face and Satan are clearly superior

really boils my eggs

>>171050294
Well if played properly with a test of strength the turn earlier and then a second one the turn after summoning aegis you essentially win the game.

Between that sword amulet and this I fully expect every deck to be filled with amulet destruction in the coming expo.

>>171050589
>complaining about words you don't know because you don't like how they sound
ok

>>171050620
>That Storm Dragon winrate
Can someone please give a good Storm Dragon deck list?

>>171050363

Alexander is a solid card that still gets played in some control sword decks.

It can still wreck your entire board easily and is better than Cyclone in some situations.

>>171050620
>55% winrate with Satan
How the fuck

>>171050620
What does the new face list looks like? I assume cards like trinity dragon became obselete with all the removals.

>>171050620
What is the difference between face, storm ramp and storm Dragoncraft?

>>171050712
>weebcucks

>>171050507
You know what dragon deck doesn't care about khawy or nep or anything?
OTK discard, but of course dragon players won't play it because they will lose to sword and Dorothy.
They want to play their ramp unchallenged and shit on everyone with double Sahaluci into turn 7 Bahamuts.
At least when people play Nep they are 100% prepared to auto concede to Seraph and Dshift instead of bitching about it, which is already more especially bad match ups than dragon's only exceptionally bad vs shadow.

>>171050834
>still gets played in some control sword decks.
I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

>>171050865
It fucks aggro in the ass with all its wards and removal

It fucks control with its turn 7 Satan

the ONLY decks it loses to are Nepnep and combo decks like Seraph or D-Shift

>>171050886
This is the newest list I saw on GameAI: http://game-ai.jp/25677/

>>171050507
and shadowbbs wil cry about the banishcaust

>>171050914
Face Dragon plays no ramp cards at all and the most expensive card in the deck is Forte. It's just an aggro deck through and through.
Storm Ramp Dragon is slower, and does include ramp, but it has much more powerful storm cards like Genesis

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>>171050402
>muh 1 attack
don't ignore the fact that it gives 2 points of attack to your board

>>171051016
You can project however much you like but nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
Even in DE more complains were against Elana than banish because it shat on the only semi-viable shadow aggro deck at the time.

>>171050249
If a win takes 20mins, is it still free?

>>171050914
The latter does not exist and is just Shadowlog being retarded.
Face Dragon is an aggro-ish (it's not actually aggro) Dragon build that focuses around early game chip damage and constant face damage every turn with Trinity and Eyfa, that then finishes the game by dropping multiple Fortes/Seabrands/enhanced Eyfas every turn from turn 6 (sometimes 5, since Forte becomes 5 if pulled by Emissary) onwards.
Storm Ramp is Ramp that relies on Genesis and Forte to win.

>>171051016
shitposters like you are the ones bringing it up every thread as a strawman

>mention the word "shadow"
>get swarmed by dragoncucks having a meltdown
>answer with literally anything
>"ugh shadowbbs just can't forget the 6 gorillion huh"

you just can't win against this

>>171051227
>nobody has been complaining about banishes in months or so.
(you)

>>171050620
What's face dragoncraft? Aggro ignoring opposing creatures?

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>>171051227
What?
People were calling baldy flat-out broken because he banished. It was hilarious.

>>171051349
Cry more bab

>>171051227


>banishcaust denial

>>171051350
The only complaints about banish were dragoncucks asking for a banish card.

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Daily reminder that pic-related can still hit Sword for 8 damage even with Durandal out while Genesis is a 4/11 most of the time. And don't you pull the bahamut card. They can have 3 Roland too

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>>171051227

>Elana died to Bahamut
>Nothing to kill Dshift yet

Oh wait as a matter of fact, Dshift got more support. That it didn't even need to rape control to no end, again. I would like the option to destroy my opponent's hand anytime now, let's fucking kill the witch.

>>171050946
People don't play it because it's an inconsistent as hell deck that loses to almost every meta deck on the ladder, not just Sword and Dorothy.

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>>171051446

>>171050998
>I don't disagree with you, but this just isn't true.

I run into Alexander decks all the time at masters. Control sword is rare in general right now and a FEW of those decks run Alexander.

>>171051445
It was annoying as fuck true, but the bigger problem was Elana still. I could live with a couple lost shadows but I couldn't handle all my damage in the last 5 turns being negated in one turn while they also gain +12/+12 across the board

>>171051449
I explicitly off the top of my head remember a shadowfag complaining that his lastword cards didn't always get full value while instant effect cards do.

>>171051445
He still is an absolutely ridiculous turn 4 power play, but without him, spirit lion and themis Haven would be absolute dumpster tier.

>>171051349
Because you retards keep complaining as if we were in DE era when Shadow is in a pretty good state right now and getting pretty good cards.

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>>171050886

>>171047387
Everything but Sword I have a meta deck for. I have not pulled a single Albert all expansion.

>>171051562
what did you expect from a shitposter

>>171051609
Only shitters complain about Elana desu

>>171051672
Stop replying to yourself, sad.

>>171051629
All the original 4 drop evos are ridiculous swingy power plays. That's their whole purpose. Dragon Warrior is also better most of the time than Cudgel
Except demonflame and rose gardener who just suck.

>Dragon blames all their problems on Shadow
>Shadow still playing the victim from DE Haven days
>Haven denying everything and playing the victim because it's shit now
You can't pay for this entertainment.

http://jcpa.org/text/holocaustabuse.pdf

>>171051445
dude, fucking lelouch was saying that baldy was broken and he plays fucking rune or forest or whatever

you have to filter the shit you read here

>>171051672
I don't know

this is why you don't take anyone here seriously, specially not weeks before an expansion

>>171048493
If it was Sword it would have Rush too.

>>171051784
Haven dindu nuffin.

>>171051679
t. banner shitter

When your ONLY viable deck is being raped hard by Elana because it's relatively slow for aggro and your storm is shadow dependent, unlike other decks, you're bound to complain.

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>>171051817

Get out of here jew, we're busy memeing.

>>171051784
Haven did nothing wrong desu.

they never had a good WR like sword,rune or forest.

>>171051771

There is playful necromancer too. 5/4 is just an liability most of the time.

>>171051784

>shadow playing victim

What? I am hyped to start a zombie apocalypse in ToG. Just that a sister of a legendary deserves better treatment.

>>171051771
Warrior doesn't win 2 match ups for free last I checked.

>>171051660
>>171051014
The seabrand seems like an odd choice, wouldn't it mess up with emissary tutor?

>>171051784
>dragon complains because cards in other classes make their card value laughable and at the same time their reveals have been trash
>this is somehow blaming shadow
LoL XD

>>171049019
MUH
6
GORILLION
BANISHES

Shadowbabs are the whingiest fucks on the planet.

>>171051921


Omg i cant win all matches because the enemy is not allowed to banish cards to win.


poor shadowjews they need more khawy cards.

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