/ng/ - Nioh General

>Nioh General is dead already
>we never got any good fuku or tome porn
It was a good ride anyway, guys.

>>170923108
this is the hell of falling in love with a niche game

>>170923108
Not surprising really. There doesn't seem to be anything to do once you beat the game, plus they dumbed the game down a lot since the demons, which lowers its appeal.

>>170923384
>they dumbed the game down

no, they didn't

go away

>>170923108
We'll have to wait til DLC and PVP drops I guess.

Also for anyone who has Platted the game, do I have to do the Way of the Strong missions to get the all missions achievement, and how do I unlock the last missions in the Omi region on regular mode?

RIP general. Let it Die lasted longer. I might go back to that game again.

>>170923661
They really did. Hell, they even took out a bunch of enemies that were in the last chance demo.

>>170923661
The alpha build would disagree with you.

>>170923661
You are wrong. I am not sure if you are baiting to keep the general alive a little longer but its time to let go.

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>>170928112
Which enemies where those? Webm for the anon who wanted to know where they could farm Saisetsu Sake.

>>170928112
>>170928316
>>170928364
except they've only improved on the game mechanically since the alpha by adding skills like short-term passive damage increases for successful ki pulse and weapon switch attack on ki pulse

they also got rid of durability which would have been a total disaster

>>170928112
>they removed enemies tho
more enemies didn't make the game harder, it just made progression slower

>>170928485
There are a ton of missing enemies just in the first area where you are ship wrecked.

>>170928823
It definitely made the game more challenging.

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the deed is done

>responding to Luci
C'mon did none of you post in /bbg/

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>>170930683
Every general has their very own town faggot.

problem is, its how a general dies and newfags keeps taking the baits and fallacies

>have every crusher title for both ungyo and agyo except for yuki onna

fucking christ
damage-less yamata no orochi was easier than this

>>170928928
I misunderstood you, I thought you meant enemy types. I still don't remember there being a lot of enemies in the starting area, but then again I always pulled one at a time with the stone during the alpha and beta.

>>170924607
Nope, just Way of the Samurai missions including the twilight ones count towards it. There's also one mission locked behind the Dojo Dual Swords mastery mission if you haven't been using those.

Has there been any news about the dlc? Date, content?

>>170936285
nope. their lips are tight.

>>170936285
>>170939562
they've given some info about dlc 1 already

>>170928669
...and they also removed a shitton of enemies off the base game, not even considering NG+.

Take "The Spirit Stone Slumbers" mission for example, the enemy layout from the alpha is heavily nerfed. The game is considerably easier than the alpha and first beta iterations.

So lets brainstorm what would you guys like in future sequels?
I'd that for bows, rifles and cannons to have their own individual ammostock, so if I equip two rifles I have ammo on both and not share it.
Its fine that the store house distributes the ammo though.

As for weapons... should we go Fist of the North Star and get a full martial arts seet with "Gauntlets" as the weapon? I mean we already can fight barehanded.

>>170931467
Living Weapon her to death, homie. You get a whole level to charge that shit. Pop carnage before you walk in, sling a Sloth at her, then slap her on the ass until she falls over.

If she goes for the frost breath attack she'll be left open for yeaaaars.

Also does level up cost ever cap out or does it just keep increasing until it'll take multiple DKR runs for a single level?

>>170941312
i don't want a direct sequel, but all of that could very well be in one of the dlcs. at least 1 new weapon type is already confirmed, so i don't think a few more would be too ridiculous to imagine

>>170941812
>sloth

no thanks

I wanted to have fun.

>>170941812
10 million for a level is the cap. Think you hit that around level 230 or 203, I forget which.

>>170923108
there already is good fuku porn though

>>170936285
end of the month for new missions, pvp and 1st dlc early april

>>170944062
I haven't found much on pixiv yet except a guy drawing all the characters getting gangbanged.

In general it doesn't really seem like eastern or western artists are drawing much of anything for Nioh.

>>170944281
The end of the month stuff, is that the free hard mode missions?

>>170946865
Should be, plus some tweaking I think.

This'll probably be how we see how balance patches will be handled once they start slinging new content around.

>>170947184
Guess I'll see the general come back at the end of the month then. This reminds me of the /kfg/ desu.

can the swordmaster set even roll a full suite of mods for reforging, or is there always that last slot missing one?

>>170951158
That's the most likely scenario, really. A buzz of activity when new content comes in, people master it, and then back to the grave for a bit.

There are worst fates I suppose.

>>170951783
The only things that can fill ALL bonus slots are divine gear that happen to be part of a set. If it's not a set item (like it's just a green generic sword) it'll have one slot missing that is usually dedicated for Set Identification.

And even then, not all items are forged with a bonus in every slot. Fuck, I've even forged Divine +3's with zero bonuses entirely. Pure soul matching fodder, it was retarded.

There's some shenanigans with being able to soul match an Inheritable slot onto a weapon without one, but I'm not sure how it works, seeing as I couldn't get it to work on divine gear.

>>170952056
I don't think the item necessarily has to a set item. I think I've seen gear with two inherent traits (like the Kusanagi Tsurugi) have all their slots filled

Finally got the Yasakani!!
At Sekirahara no less... having 54% Ki Regen is so fucking sweet.

>>170953779
>admitting to being a red memeon

How does reforging and soulmatching work in endgame?

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>>170953779
Why on earth do you need that much ki regen?

I'm a 2kat fag who uses Water Sword every chance I get and I don't need that much ki regen

>>170956095
What do you mean? Like how do the +1's work?

>>170955741

Hey dude I gots to go fast.

>>170956134
Discord Abuse.
None stop Low Stance switch from Fire Kusa to Lightning Katana.
I only need on average 3~4 seconds to have every enemy on Discord without worrying about draining my Ki too much (even if I have to block suddenly)

I'm just doing Random visits and pumping Body to last longer to help people out. Some new guys dont know about the Discord effect and I wanted to help out.

Loo Cee Furry

>>170957847
How do the different bonuses and inheriting work?

>>170959283
Inheriting works like this: get to max familiarity with weapon/armor that has the inheritable skill you want, then soul match weapon of your choice with that weapon and it will gain the inheritable skill. This doesn't work with different weapons like you can't soul match a katana with a spear to get a skill. You also have to be levelling the weapon, you can't soul match down to get a skill you want. All armor pieces work with each other.

Bonuses are self explanatory. Reforging is the same as it was before endgame except now you have divine fragments which increase chances of gettin a better skill.

Also, soul matching divine weapons works like this: +1 and +1 gives you +2 and so on up to +10.

>>170959726
Thanks!

>>170959283
So take this first: http://nioh.wiki.fextralife.com/Reforge

But I'll give you the quick and dirty summary regarding end game

>Different bonuses
Since you have divine shards now, you can press triangle in the reforge menu to use shards instead of Spirit Iron. When using shards, reforging costs more money, but you'll get (on average) better rolls on the rarity of your bonuses AND the quality of said bonuses will be higher.

>Inheriting
Inherited skills can't be rerolled traditionally, and are marked by that double bar symbol. Unlike what that other anon said, you CAN inherit skills in between weapon. The fact that I have an Axe, Spear, and Kusari with Change to Attack(Heart) in their inherited spot is proof of this. You need max familiarity to transfer Inherited Skills though. Divines need 999/999, Uniques 900/900, Rares 750/750.

You also need to NOT have a bonus in the same pool already on the weapon in a different slot. So if the weapon already has an element on it, you cannot transfer in a second element UNLESS the element is on the Inheritable slot (wherein it'll be replaced). So if you can't get your CtA: Dexterity to transfer onto your 2kat or some shit, it's because that weapon already has a Damage bonus on it like Close Combat Damage Up, Familiarity Bonus Up, or Enemies Defeated in a different slot.

>>170940903
I don't think they ever intended to have that many enemies in the main game. It would simply be way too many.. They just wanted people to have a lot of time to get used to the combat so they could critique it.

Would have been better if they had launched with the PVP. I think Horizon, Nier Automata and Zelda are going to harm the PVP chances.

>>170923661
They did though. I payed all the demos and Alpha was much more difficult. They nerfed Nue, removed a bunch of Yokai from the map and made Yokai do less damage.

How the fuck do I beat hino enma?

>>170964325
1. Don't die.
2. Hit her till she dies.

>>170964325

Trust me when I say this

Take off your armor. All of it. Blocking will do you no good this fight as you already know by now. The increased agility not only allows for evasion of attacks but a quick moment to get some hits in while she swings her umbrella. I swear on my life it worked for me. Have fun

Is it really possible to get +12 on craftable weapons like Hikoemon Ichimonji? I've never gotten higher than +10.

>>170964541
Are you fucking insane?

>>170964697
For the element i mean.

>>170964697
Apparently elements can roll up to +20 before proficiency bonus.
Highest I've seen was a +13 Earth on a junk Divine 1kat.

>>170964738

I already told you I swear on my life it works. Am i the only one who never fucking blocked until my next playthrough? My first one was ninja build so I just evaded all the damn time but my next playthrough was heavy armor samurai so evading became a pain. Luckilly though heavy armor is pretty much the best option for blocking anyway

The point of the matter is you need speed and ki to evade Hino-enma. It works. For bosses like Yuki-onna you need heavy armor to block since her ice projectiles are impossible to dodge

God I hate yuki onna so fucking much
I just want a demon kings set

>>170964951
>Apparently elements can roll up to +20
Pretty sure the highest is +16 or +17 (+17/18 at level 160) before familiarity bonus.

The craftable ones that have +4 as their base only go up to 12 though (13 at 160).

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>>170964951
>>170965424
Highest I've seen is +22 after maxing out familiarity. It was probably a +17/18 at 0 familiarity. MAYBE back when 320 was a thing you could get +20 before maxing out the familiarity?

>>170966376
>It was probably a +17/18 at 0 familiarity
Max familiarity adds a flat +5 so it would be 17. I just wanna know if I'm wasting my time trying to forge a +12 Hikoemon Ichimonji, can't find any info on it and the wiki says +12 is the max but the wiki is shit.

>MAYBE back when 320 was a thing you could get +20 before
Probably this. I never had a 320 so i don't know.

>>170966719
don't bother

an extra point of elemental damage isn't worth the trouble, just settle for 11/16

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>Been doing backlog
>Haven't played Nioh in a while
>Decide to rejoin the general and do tori gate
>First guy who invokes me starts summong revs.
>Second guy who summons me dies instantly
>3rd guy who summons me is on ubi zuzu and dies right before the boss door
This game is still full of shitters

>>170965057
I'm running an Omyo set, and dodging the ice shards is generally pretty easy. Though, I do agree that maybe dropping a piece of armor could really help with mobility. Blocking will just negate the damage at the cost of stamina, but I don't think it works on Hino Enma's paralyzing attack. Make sure that you have the anti paralysis needles in your quick select.

What's better: Familiarity damage bonus or Agility damage bonus when you have B agility?

>>170972112
familiarity

>>170956134
i'm running genius strategist, master swordsman, and the skill ki reduction weapon mod, i can water sword an entire big skelly or orochi long before running out of ki.

>>170972657
Does it work on your melee weapon if you have it on a ranged?

Does anybody know what abilities prevent tenacity and shorten recovery time (out of ki) from being reforged? I've spent several million and haven't got them once.

>>170973105
yes actually, a ranged weapon does add to the bonus, if its in your active weapon slot

for your second question, I don't think there are any clashes whatsoever between any purple stats on armor, but some pieces might not allow for the roll altogether

for example, you can only roll elemental damage reduction and damage down while critical on your chest

I don't know what the case is for recovery time, but I'm pretty sure you can roll tenacity on any piece

>>170973521
Thanks mate. Guess I'm just shit out of luck then.

>>170973105
You might have something from the same pool on your equipment

But purple bonuses are retardedly rare. Enemy sense rolls all the time on random loot off the floor, but not once have I managed to reforge it onto my helmets.

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>>170974382
>tfw I've rolled enemy sense 3 times while trying to get tenacity and shorten recovery time

>>170974452
I've only gotten Tenacity and Shorten Recovery Time on pants and chest pieces. And never seen them together, so they're probably in the same bonus pool.

Enemy sense is only on helmets and accessories, I think.

Am I able to forge a 160 weapon without using Divine Fragments, and is it entirely random that I do get a 160 to proc, or is there really requirements of having recently beaten a high level mission in the same vein as Cinnabar coast surfing for free Pokemon from the last area you visited?

>>170975127
>Am I able to forge a 160 weapon without using Divine Fragments
Yes, i got all my 160's without divines.
>and is it entirely random that I do get a 160 to proc, or is there really requirements of having recently beaten a high level mission
No idea. I had everything done before i forged 160's anyway.

Does shorten recovery time (out of ki) stack?

>reroll and try that famalam beam and that 2kat with Omyo Magic scaling
>scale my Omyo shit up
>it's utter fucking garbage
>even with confusion your damage is still shit

I even lost some extra 20 levels because I didn't outright spend my Amrita. Feels bad man

how much "elemental" do talismans grant? Does raising omnyo increase the element?

>>170978689
onmyo power affects the base enchant and how long the buff lasts, far as i know.

what spirit always applies element no matter what boss you use it on? daiba?

>>170960770
>When using shards, reforging costs more money, but you'll get (on average) better rolls on the rarity of your bonuses AND the quality of said bonuses will be higher.

For some reason every time I use divine fragments, while true I get rare bonuses the numbers are always at the low end

>Change to Attack (whatever stats) C
>Familiarity Bonus C
>Agility Damage Bonus C-

Never once I see 'B' or 'A' when reforging weapons

>>170975482

No.

Is giving all my armor piece to have inherit Attack the way to go in Nioh?

>>170982014
Only gloves can have inherit attack. You have to craft 4 pieces of inherit attack gloves then soul match them with your other armor.

>>170982358
That's what I'm planning to do. forge 5 gloves with inherit attack and max familiarity 4 to soul match to the other armor pieces

>>170981545
Stupid question, but have you maxed your familiarity with the weapons in question first?

>>170982554
That's the way to go in Nioh.

>>170982595
Weapons not max familiarity.

Even if I max familiarity I would only get a 'B' at most because 'C' (0 familiarity) -> 'B' (max familiarity)

when's the hard mode update?

>>170984398
End of this month.

>>170984427
nice. hopefully it'll be as nice as it sounds

How many reforges should I expect to get the set up I want on divine gear?

>>170984981
depends what stats you're after and if you really NEED max rolls

>>170984981
depends on how autistic you want to get

for a weapon that you consider virtually statistically perfect? 999 divine fragments, 22 million gold and anywhere from 15 minutes to 3 hours of savescumming

that's if you want a weapon that has something like
25% ki red. or 30% guard red.
20% ccd
cta A of the stat you want
24.9% final blow /grapple damage
21 or 22 of the element you want

you get the idea

jeez saika kicks my ass, i throw a blind shell and he is a joke. really wish the description for it was better. didn't think it would be so stupidly effective. he was just shooting wild threw kunai til he got knocked in fire and then he just burned to death.

>>170987089
If you strong attack him when he's in the air he will fall for a final blow. You can do almost nothing the whole fight and win.

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How much damage does damage bonus less armor A+ give if you have full armor?

>Get summoned to the Nue bossfight
>Host is right next to the door
>Doesnt even let me kill some mooks to get my livin weapon meter up
>Once inside he just plinks away with a shitty bow, leaving me to solo him
>Eventually die when i run out of elixers around 30%
>Get consolation 100 amrita
ffs at least try to help you cocksleeve, its not like ochoko cups are a limited rescource

>>170985220
Thanks for that. Seems a bit overboard for me.

>>170973105
Same guy here. This is how long it took me to get tenacity and recovery time. I did a bit of shit in between but not much.

latefag here, can phantoms drop the sanada armor?

>>170989640
Not as far as i know, same for the Nioh weapons

Is the 2kat with the Omyo Damage crap broken or something? I don't know what stat does. It doesn't seem to act like CtA Stats. Having 1040 Damage on a +5 weapon is not okay.

>>170989640
Nope.

So the difference between a Suzaku/full sake DKR run and no Suzaku/no sake is 80m amrita, for me anyway.

>>170990017
>>170990134
fuck.

>>170990068
>only 1040 at +5 on 2kat
you get around 1300 with CTA (skill) at A+

>>170975127
>>170975294
I believe you had to have beaten the 320 hundred eyes mission.

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Did they patch out lvl 160 forging? 200+ kusarigama forged and not a single 160. A few weeks ago it took me maybe a quarter of that to get one, the fuck.

>>171001169
10 divine raikiri

>>171001169
Nah man, you just had shitty luck. My understanding or lack of perhaps, because it's something I noticed which I'll explain in a bit is that any weapon/armor can proc a 160 when you craft them. What I did was very tedious and a waste of time and damn autistic when you get right down to it. I backed up my save and started on the katana tab and forged the first one, didn't get a 160 so I reloaded the save and tried the second one only to get nothing as well. Long story short I kept reloading saves until I got to the third spear and forged a 160 on the "first" try. It gives me the impression that all weapons/armor have the chance to proc 160 and one of them is guaranteed to do so, but if you guess the wrong one, it changes to another weapon, almost like some sort of lottery or some shit.

>>170990323

Wish we could get more specific on item bonuses

because I run Demon King's NG+ and I get 8M with talismans but no sake

What's up with the white equipment/item drop rate +20% ability on chest armor? The yellow is only 5%.

>>171002947
Why no sake? Shit's easy to farm anon, second webm in thread shows how easy it is to get.

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>>171003506
Yeah I got it now thanks for the info

Was wondering if we could discuss about how to take DPS to max

Sanada Set/Kingo Set/???
Weapon perks: DMG Behind, CC ATK, SKILL DMG, CRIT EFFECTS. etc
Armor: Does adding ATK+ to every piece make a huge difference?

I'm just using a Kusarigama dealing 4 to 5K DMG while farming and it's a lv.150+5 I think it'll be better if I craft it to 160

>>171003796
I'm not entirely sure on that one myself. Although from reading the thread it seems you can forge gloves with inheritable +attack and use that to spread it into the other armor slots.

>>171003796
I think highest dps achievable is with a back damage Iai kat build, which there's a youtub vid of doing 145k dmg in 1 hit, but that builds slow and gay. Critical Kusa or spin to win axe seem to be the best.

Do you have Sanada? This guy seems to think it's more powerful than fanatics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5rfW7wosXg

If not then a fanatic critical build will pretty much be stronger than any other armor i think, unless you're running a tank ass build.

>Weapon perks
Depends what your'e building.
>Does adding ATK+ to every piece make a huge difference?
A decent difference.

>grinding proficiency
K I L L M E

>>171011195
Just do 1 run of DKR in way of strong. You'll finish with max familiarity.

>>171011195

>What are Wheat Stones/Armor Paste

wew

>>171012003
proficiency, not familiarity

you assclown

>>171001169
Buy loads of white katanas, dismantle them and make the Swordman's Kusarigama

is tiger sprint any good? It can't be bad with a piece from warrior of the west and kato for skill damage, can it?